The Pro Life Case for Gun Rights & DESTROYING Fudd Myths

A live stream gets flagged for showing guns, and that hiccup turns into a sharp, practical tour of what actually matters for shooters right now. We unpack California’s move against Gen 3–5 Glocks, why resale just spiked, and how a Gen V fire-control redesign could reshape the market in California and beyond. From there, we separate hype from performance on SCARs, ACR revivals, and everyday AR builds, arguing for reliability and training over nostalgia and branding.

We also go straight at the myths that stall shooters: the “rack a shotgun” scare tactic, “don’t dry fire” warnings, and the never-ending revolver-for-beginners advice. Red dots on pistols get a fair hearing with real training cues—target focus, reticle selection, and a simple tape-over drill to force proper index. On the gear side, we break down armor choices that won’t break your back: why steel is a training weight at best, how modern Level IV ceramics from value makers are finally light enough to wear, and what those extra side plates really cost you in mobility.

Then we zoom out. With EBT disruptions and a prolonged federal shutdown in the air, tensions rise fast when benefits pause and shelves thin. The answer isn’t panic; it’s subsidiarity—solving problems nearest to where they happen. We make a moral case for self-defense rooted in natural law and a lived Catholic perspective: protect your family, train to competency, carry when wise, and build tight community at your parish and in your neighborhood. That includes practical prep: water, med basics, power awareness, and fitness that tolerates hunger and stress.

Thinking about moving? If you can work remote, pick for parish and culture rather than price alone. We share where traditional communities are thriving, how to evaluate trade-offs, and why you should train together once you land. By the end, you’ll have a clear view of the Glock landscape, better choices for optics and armor, and a grounded plan for resilience that doesn’t rely on fragile systems.

If this helped sharpen your setup or your mindset, follow, subscribe, and share it with a friend. Drop a review and tell us which Fudd myth you’re still hearing—we’ll tackle it in a future show.

Chapters

• 0:00 Kicked Off YouTube For Showing Guns
• 2:10 California’s Glock Law And Market Fallout
• 8:45 SCAR, ACR, And Platform Hype vs Reality
• 13:45 Armor 101: Plates, Weight, And Legality
• 20:10 Plate Carriers, Budget Gear, And Training
• 24:50 FUD Lore: Myths, Rules, And Bad Advice
• 31:30 Red Dots, Iron Sights, And Real Performance
• 39:10 Dry Fire, Break-In Myths, And Reliability
• 44:30 EBT Freeze, Shutdown Risks, And Unrest
• 51:40 Platforms, Monetization, And Live Policies
• 56:20 Duty To Protect: Catholic Framing And Subsidiarity
• 1:05:30 Community, Preparedness, And Practical Steps
• 1:13:40 Moving For Parish And Culture: Where To Live
• 1:22:30 Hunting Talk: Rifles, Suppressors, And Ethics
• 1:30:10 Culture Cycles, Institutions, And What’s Next
• 1:36:40 Wrap-Up, Telegram Contest, And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:47

Actually, we can't play that, can we? Probably not. Probably not. I changed the background back because I'm like, oh gosh, I don't know if we can even have those in the background.

SPEAKER_02: 0:55

Yeah. It might get us a strike. Did you get a strike on the other channel?

SPEAKER_04: 1:00

No, because I I proved it wasn't a semi-automat automatic weapon.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08

And the sad part is like we have to use YouTube because it might get a much better reach, especially with people who don't have no introduction to this this type of community.

unknown: 1:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19

I mean, if we had the option, it would be like X or Rumble all day, every day. If we could get the same reach.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31

I really hope they're joking. You guys are joking, right? Like it is up right now. It says it's up right now. Hey, we'll get there. Give me a break.

SPEAKER_03: 1:41

This is a new channel.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43

Yeah. Come on. We're not, I'm not piggybacking off of the 55,000 subscribers, although I probably got them 12 or 13 new subscribers. So hopefully y'all came over. I have literally dozens of fans. Dozens. Dozens of fans.

SPEAKER_04: 2:00

Or we have dozens of people who watch. They might not be fans.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04

Yeah, we have a lot of hate watchers. Did you see the uh the Glock news today? I did. That was interesting. I think people are taking it in the wrong direction. Because the law that was passed in California was that because it can't it can be currently modified into a machine gun. Right. But to be honest with you, now with FRTs, everything can be. You just got to find a way to do it.

SPEAKER_04: 2:26

And even then, I thought it was only Gen 3.

SPEAKER_02: 2:30

Well, it is. Well, they can all the California fire control system. But to be honest with you, what it's going to do, it's going to be like the 1986 ban. All the Gen 3, 4, and 5 Glocks are going to shoot up in value because you can't get them anymore. Yeah. They're already flying off the shelves right now since they came out today. Yep. And then they'll come out with like a Gen 6 or whatever the Gen V. Gen V, they're calling it. Yeah. To change the fire control system. Now, the issue with that's going to be the aftermarket's capability, you know, their uh people's ability to alter it at all, which to be honest with you, most of us do not need to alter our clock at all. Like we're just not good enough shooters to even worry about a better trigger or or anything. So but I saw that, and like there's only three of them that aren't affected 43, 48, 43x, maybe. But they already discontinued the 43. Now I thought they were already discontinuing the 43x.

SPEAKER_04: 3:26

But I don't know because they because they came up with a huge list of other discon discontinuations earlier than the year.

SPEAKER_02: 3:33

Well, they've been discontinuing a lot this year already, like a lot of redundant firearms, like the 19x is now the what the 47 48 48 or 47. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 3:42

No, the 48 is the 43x, just slightly yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 3:46

So it's either the 43 or the 45.

SPEAKER_04: 3:49

45 is the 19x or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 3:52

One of them's got the night the got has the Glock 19 grip and the 17 slide, which when you had iron sights, that was amazing.

SPEAKER_05: 4:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 4:03

Because like you needed a better uh site radius, you know, because you're using iron sights, but now with red dots, like the only reason you'd want, and to be honest with you, with mag extensions, you don't even need the extended grip anymore. Because I've got a I don't have it on me right now, but I've got a plus five mag extension on my 19 plus me up to 20 rounds. Like, why would I need to go to 17? I mean, I guess it could put me up to 22, but it's it's a lot harder to conceal carry when you have that much more.

SPEAKER_04: 4:31

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 4:32

Yeah, the grip, who cares about the grip, right? Or I should say the grip is what matters more for concealed carry than the uh unless you have giant hands, and then you need the bigger one, right? Like I've got medium-sized hands, very average hands, right? So that's gonna be your new nickname. Average hands, I'm unless y'all stew on that one for a minute. But I don't need like a 19 fits perfectly, my hand. You know, it it my hand actually might be just slightly a little too like if I had like a thanks, Mr. C. Thanks, Mr. C. But other than that, you know, there's just no reason to really unless you have big hands. But the a lot of the the comments I've seen is people talking about how you know this is Glock, you know, bowing down to the government and whatever. I'm like, this is an amazing business opportunity for them, right? Not only do they get everybody's Glocks Gen 3, 4, and 5s that are already out there to increase in value because you can't buy them anymore, but now they're now everyone's gonna want to replace with a new system of whatever it is, especially in California, because they're only gonna be able to buy the new system. So that's gonna definitely increase sales just in California. And if you have other states, you know, that are trying to follow suit like New York or you know, Maine or something, you know, they're gonna have to buy the new ones, but this is a huge opportunity for them to really increase sales. Uh so I didn't see it as the the bowing down that other people have, especially with like the scar. First of all, I don't know why anybody's upset about the scar being discontinued. That is a crappy gun. Like I've never known anybody that has that and they love it. Like everybody I've known that had it issued to them in the in the military hated it.

SPEAKER_04: 6:18

Really?

SPEAKER_02: 6:19

It was yeah, they just had so many issues with it. And so it's just now when people can't get it, now they're like, Oh, I can't believe they're discontinued, it was the best rifle ever.

SPEAKER_04: 6:26

And no, it really wasn't. It definitely wasn't you know, twice as good as a high-end AR, which is what it cost us.

SPEAKER_02: 6:40

True.

SPEAKER_04: 6:42

Yeah, that thing was I mean, I I have a DSA's uh scar we have at home, and uh it's not super light.

SPEAKER_02: 6:49

Yeah, I just don't I don't get the scar love. I don't like when I first saw it, I was like, oh, this was cool, you know. I and but I was like, man,$2,800 at least.

SPEAKER_04: 7:01

The scar love is all because of video games, yeah. Well, it's like the ACR, and it really is the ACR, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 7:11

There is a company named Templar something, and they have redone the ACR. There, so there's a guy. Let me see if I can find his channel. There's a guy in South Carolina that has a really cool channel I like, and he's you know, he's like me, he's got a southern accent. Operator overalls. You ever seen him? Operator overalls.

SPEAKER_04: 7:34

No, I haven't.

SPEAKER_02: 7:36

So he has a pretty good channel, but he he the night it's like Templar International Templar something. Redid the ACR, and he they gave him one to shoot, and he really liked it. I was like, Man, I've had an extra like two.

SPEAKER_04: 7:51

Templar precision.

SPEAKER_02: 7:52

There is that it, yeah. They read the ACR.

SPEAKER_04: 7:55

Yep, your ACR specialists, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 7:58

But it like it's all pre-order and stuff, and so it looks good.

SPEAKER_04: 8:02

Because Bushmaster for a while had them on their website for 50 grand, right?

SPEAKER_02: 8:07

Yeah, well, Magpul's been talking about redoing the ACR, right?

SPEAKER_04: 8:11

Because that was Bushmaster and Magpul together, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02: 8:15

And with them just doing going and because the RXM is so popular, I could see them like, hey, let's do the ACR now and see if we can because that the RXM has become the Glock clone.

SPEAKER_04: 8:27

Uh I have a hard time buying a uh a Ruger semi-automatic.

SPEAKER_02: 8:33

I've not been owned by Ruger anymore. Who who owns them now? Some I bought them in like 2019.

SPEAKER_04: 8:43

Well, I just all the Ruger semi-automatics I've had have been a pain in the butt.

SPEAKER_02: 8:47

I get that. You know, Beretta has bought and no, they bought a chunk of it.

SPEAKER_04: 8:54

Well, it looks like it's publicly traded with a majority being owned by investors like BlackRock. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 9:02

That's what PSA does so well because they're a private company, you know, and they don't have to worry about stockholders and votes and all that. And board members. USA is a private company too. Yeah, that's true. Well, did you uh so another piece of gear that got announced, I think, today or yesterday, was RMA's new level four plates.

SPEAKER_04: 9:26

I've seen those. I've been curious. I do not have plates at this point. I do don't have a plate carrier.

SPEAKER_02: 9:33

So when you get into armor, one stay away from steel unless you're using it for training. Right. It only because steel has a lot of inherent issues in it. One, it's heavier that you don't need heavy if you're gonna be carrying if you're gonna be wearing it all day. But there is been instances of spalling. Now, some companies have put anti-spall coatings on them to help with that, and then if you put like a frag pad on it, that'll help. If it's in a carrier, it'll help with spalling too. But just don't risk it. You need something that absorbs and not deflects. Well, RMA has always been a really good company for affordable level four ceramic plates.

SPEAKER_04: 10:16

Every gun tuber, when they shoot a plate, it's an RMA plate.

SPEAKER_02: 10:20

Yeah, every year RMA does like some type of sale where you can get like two level four plates for 200 bucks. Now they're heavy, is the issue. These level four, yeah. Well, yeah, completely legal. Depends on your state. New York, you cannot. You can in New York? No, they outlawed it, but most states, yes. They're trying to pass a national law to outlaw it, but it never went anywhere.

SPEAKER_04: 10:41

But let's pass a law to outlaw something that literally makes it easier to survive a gunshot.

SPEAKER_02: 10:47

Yeah, it's crazy. But I think that was after the Dallas shooting. Remember the Dallas shooting where he shot all those cops? How long like recently, or are you talking about the big like the the it was in like 2017 or 18? Okay. The Dallas officer that shot all the cops in in downtown Dallas. It's basically he's a former military, and it was crazy watching it because he's going around these huge columns and he's pying off and just just destroying these cops because they don't know how to deal with somebody that knows tactics. Right. I think he killed like three or four of them. But um, you know, after that is when they started talking about like outlaw because he had plates on. The shooter did, but anyway, RMA's play, they have a these ceramic plates are level four. And to go into the ratings, they had to claim they're level four, they have to be approved by NIJ. And NIJ has to approve that they can say it's level four. So they're you know approved to be able to carry that certification.

SPEAKER_04: 11:47

And a level four will stop God's caliber armor armor piercing rounds, it'll stop up the 30. 30 out six armor piercing, right?

SPEAKER_02: 11:55

Yeah, but it hurts. I mean, you get shot with that 36 armor piercing, it's gonna hurt, it's gonna leave a bruise and a broken rib or two. Yeah, but uh they're about like eight and a half pounds each, so you're looking at like 19 pounds, 17 to 19 pounds, depending on because it fluctuates, right? That's a lot of weight on top of your plate carrier, which is probably three or four pounds at least, plus all your mags and everything. Like if you're carrying you know 225 rounds of 556, you're looking at another 10 pounds. Eventually, you're like hitting 50 pounds, just wearing this, all this stuff, right? Well, their new plates they just came out with have gotten it down to each plate to five and a half pounds. Wow for that they've perfected some process or whatever, but on top of that, it's only like a hundred dollars more. Than the the old school. Yeah, then the other level fours that are like eight and a half pounds, which normally you would see like these these lightweight, you know, SRT special rifle plates, it would be like eight hundred-nine hundred thousand dollars. I've seen some Hesco plates at like fifteen hundred dollars a piece because they use this you know, high grade plastic polypro ethylene something, something HP, uh whatever something that uh puts microplastics in your balls, yeah. And uh which probably explains why I have three girls and a boy. It's probably it's probably drinking all the uh water bottles in Afghanistan that were sitting on the sun for like three years before I finally drank them. But anyways, but like 300 bucks a plate, you're looking at 600 bucks right and back, you know, that's a that's really like if you've gotten everything else, you've got yeah, a really good rifle that you train with, you've got a couple thousand rounds of ammo, you've got at least uh like a one PVS 14 binocular, right? And maybe like a you know thousand dollar thermal, like you've got everything else because plates no you don't need to worry about, like that's very unlikely you're gonna need them. Not only that, but you're not gonna want to wear them because they're heavy.

SPEAKER_04: 13:56

Yeah, I mean they only do you good if someone is literally shooting at you, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 14:00

And you're squared off, right? Like if you're at the side, they can still shoot you. Well, have the camera, they can still shoot you through the side, yeah, right behind the plate, or literally anywhere around it. Yeah, that's why you have like the side plates that basically cover cover the obliques, and that helps a little bit, but that is a hundred percent true.

SPEAKER_04: 14:22

What was gonna say? Oh, do you follow Rebels Raiders? Yeah, Twitter. I've been looking at his uh Valkyrian plate carrier. I don't know if you have any opinion on that or no.

SPEAKER_02: 14:33

I mean, to be honest with you, most plate carriers are fine, will work, yeah. Most plate carriers are perfectly they're all really made in the same, they're one of two places, either in the United States or in the same Vietnamese sewing shops, right? So, like I have an Agilite carrier. Well, let me take that back. I have the Agile carrier, but I have it from the company that supplies them to them, so it's like the unbranded Agilite carrier, correct? Um but uh so a plate carrier is just a vest that carries a plate in the front and the back. That's all it is. So but I but Rebels Raiders hit his new because he used to run can A. But he uh this one he's got gone out. It's been a lot of people love it. I mean, it but it's more for the like the budget kind of guy, you know. Right perfectly, you know, operable, it's perfectly resilient, and his big thing is he wants it to be durable. Dirty Civilians did a video about it, and they weren't paid to do it. He just got it and he loved it. He's so much he wanted to make a video about his his stuff, so it might be a good one to go watch. But I mean, I wouldn't balk it by it. I haven't I have I still have the one from the Marines we Eagle Industries, I think is who did it. I still that was when the plate carriers were first being issued because before that we had the ITVs, and it was like this big, like it had shoulder pads and a groin pad and like a neck hurdle, and it was crazy. And then we just started going to the plate carriers because you're a lot more mobile, yeah. Um, you know, but yeah, those I saw that come out, and I was like, man, that and the the nine mil magazine for the AR platform that you can flip around and it holds 60 rounds. Saw that that looks interesting. That that's the kind of innovation we need, that kind of stuff, you know, because I it nothing looks dumber than a 30-round, you know, Glock mag shoved up in an AR. Like it look, it looks like a little pencil you're trying to hold on to, you know. This looks so dumb. I'm glad someone was able to uh to innovate a AR-style mag with 60 rounds in it. I can hear Templeton next to me in the walls of my shop. We have a we have a field mouse that like my right above my shop here. The chickens for a while were getting up there and laying eggs, and I can't I can't reach them because this roof is not load-bearing. And so there's a field mouse that gets up there and eats the eggs, and I can hear him going through the wall right now. You call him Templeton? I call him Templeton, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 17:21

That's funny. Paul, Paul, you're a little eight, bud.

SPEAKER_02: 17:27

Just rewind, go back to the beginning, you'll catch all that. Yeah, and so now I'm carrying a collector's item.

SPEAKER_04: 17:39

That's funny. The one Glock I bought is the one that's not discontinued and it's still broken in my safe.

SPEAKER_02: 17:47

All right, so we want to get into some FUD lore here.

SPEAKER_04: 17:50

Oh, FUDs. Love FUDs.

SPEAKER_02: 17:52

So bring up the picture of what a FUD is.

SPEAKER_04: 17:55

Well, here's here's a good example.

SPEAKER_02: 17:57

Yeah, we'll start with that. We'll start with that. Let's let's bring up the picture of what a FUD is, and while we call them FUDs, okay. I mean, once we say this, when y'all start seeing like this conversation's happening on social media or like your local range, your local gun store, you're gonna start picking up on it a little bit more because gun stores are are like FUD importance.

SPEAKER_04: 18:16

Oh my gosh. I was I was picking up my latest purchase the other it was last Monday, why I was almost late. Uh or why I was late, actually. What did you buy? What was it? You bought uh you're not gonna be happy. Um I finally bought a 226.

SPEAKER_02: 18:34

Uh what uh what generate like the newer 226?

SPEAKER_04: 18:38

Yeah, the X carry that just came out.

SPEAKER_02: 18:41

Okay. I don't I I don't mind the 226. Yeah, I do of all the things that's probably the only one I would carry. Well, I wouldn't carry it, it'd be too heavy, but I would shoot it. I used to have a 226, it was issued by I mean, we may have talked about this. It was uh issue by some highway patrol, but it was in 357 SIG. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_04: 19:01

You had the really cool one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 19:03

And in hindsight, I probably should have kept it.

SPEAKER_04: 19:05

You should right. That's the one gun, one of the few guns you've ever sold. That's right. Yeah, okay. Let me bring up the FUD.

SPEAKER_02: 19:12

Rob is a SIGGR. SIGGER's not welcome. So the picture says for those of y'all that are listening, right? So it's got a picture of Elmer FUD. And it's FUD is a slang term for a casual gun owner. For example, a person who typically owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the Second Amendment. These people also generally treat owners or users of so-called non-sporting firearms, like handguns or cinema rifles, with unwarranted scorn or contempt. These are the guys that tell you, like when you go to the gun range, you're not allowed to shoot more than one round every three seconds, right? Or you don't need a red doll on your pistol, iron sights have won two world wars, or you know, whatever it is. Like they've always got some, it's always, you know, and they will always always bring up the 21-foot rule from the FBI because that's like the only thing they've ever memorized. Very true. Or they'll tell you, like, a woman should always own a revolver, double action, you know, or like they always there's always these they're like old wives' tales, but for men. And so they've always got these really crazy, just outlandish theories.

SPEAKER_04: 20:32

I was gonna say, I mean, so the the definition we showed I mean that's like w the extreme, extreme end of FUDs, but FUD is kind of it's it's a good way to explain it. I don't know. It's like it's because there's a lot more to to FUDs. It's it's not just someone who who only shoots shotgun, right? It's yeah, it's it's almost like you know how annoying trads are in the Catholic world. It's like that exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 21:11

No, I got it. I got it, I got it. Okay, FUDs are the ortho bros, right? Because they never go to mass, but they tell everyone what mass is supposed to be like.

SPEAKER_04: 21:22

And they'll quote some counsel from a yeah 1200 years ago.

SPEAKER_02: 21:27

Yeah, FUDs are because you'll you'll see them at the gun store and they'll tell you you don't need to buy that plastic gun, you know, referring to Glock. You should buy a metal gun, like a beretta at least, or at least a 1911, you know. 1911's they're fun to shoot.

SPEAKER_04: 21:44

I I mean I so as a as an enthusiast, just a gun enthusiast, like yeah, I like all sorts of cool guns. Yeah, I like 1911. I mean, I shoot a muzzle loader, right?

SPEAKER_02: 21:55

Yeah, muzzle loaders are fun, yeah. They shoot something that's fun, but I would never carry a 1911, right? Because you only got seven rounds, right?

SPEAKER_04: 22:04

You know because there's nothing it does that another more modern gun doesn't do better, better, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And on top of that, Saturdays, yeah, fuzz are Saturdays. That's what they are.

SPEAKER_02: 22:19

But uh, like a 1911, it's got all kinds of like jamming issues, not safe problems. The feed ramp can if it's not properly polished, the rounds will hang up on the feed ramp.

SPEAKER_04: 22:30

You gotta keep that thing clean and and lube or fickle, right?

SPEAKER_02: 22:36

So, but they they swear by it. 2011s, 2011s are really only good for competition, yeah. But one because like not that I'm a big stickler for a drop safe pistol because you shouldn't be dropping your pistol anyway. If you're dropping your pistol, you shouldn't be carrying a pistol, but they're heavy, man. And uh I could I could see them as duty pistols for police, and some pe police do right. But the issue with especially staccato is their trigger is not how to put this, it's not very refined, we'll say there's a lot of wiggle room on a on a staccato trigger, it's not as tight tolerances as you'd expect for such an expensive firearm, but they're great for competitions, they're super accurate, you know. But you can get a you know, a Shadow 2 compact or a carry for half the price shoots better, and it's much better for carry, right? But they are fun to shoot, you know. 1911s are great, but you got you, they they have their place, and it's it's not to carry anymore. They're when you have much better options. You know, some other ones are like some other some other FUD, some other FUD lore. Racking of a shotgun will scare someone away, yeah. I mean, even President Biden said the same thing, yeah. That thing's been around forever. Just rack that shotgun, man, and they'll run out of your house. Like, no, that's not how that works. Somebody enters into your house, they won't under they won't recognize a shotgun being racked because they've heard everything else. Yeah, the FUD's the range are the worst. That's why it's for example, when I when I lived in Georgia, there was no indoor ranges I could really go shoot at. I mean, I I could go shoot, but I none of them allowed me to draw for concealment. None because it's all a liability issue and everything, right?

SPEAKER_04: 24:38

Yeah, a lot of indoor ranges don't allow that.

SPEAKER_02: 24:40

Right, they don't allow it because they're run by FUDs.

SPEAKER_04: 24:43

Yeah. Well, and and the people that go there are FUDs that you don't want drawing.

SPEAKER_02: 24:49

Yeah, they're yeah, and they're they're catering to the lowest common denominator, which are the FUDs. Yeah, these are the guys that have like the Uncle Mike's nylon holsters, you know, shoved in their pants. Yep. Or the guys who swear by ball ammo for carry, you know, and so for example, the what was that that one post I put on the notes? I got more of a FUD thing. This was a comment on one of the guys I follow. Let me put it up here. So this is either this doesn't look like this one? Yeah, is that YouTube or is that like Instagram? Or is that Facebook? That's Facebook, man.

SPEAKER_03: 25:41

Not like Facebook.

SPEAKER_02: 25:43

Look at the FUD. You're the FUD. You can you can see the stupid ha ha on there.

SPEAKER_04: 25:46

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 25:48

Yeah, if you're if I'm pulling stuff off of Facebook, is you know, only FUDs use Facebook. So the comment is learn to shoot without optics. The hang up are bulky and slow you down. If you have time to use them, the court will argue you had time to flee. First of all, I'll live in a standard ground state, so I don't have to flee. And secondly, acquiring my target with a red dot is a whole lot faster than iron sights. Once you get used to a red dot, you're so much faster than with iron sights. In fact, if you still use iron sights when you have the capability of what using a red dot, you are behind the hate ball. You're putting yourself at a disadvantage when you don't need to, especially if you're older, you know, I'm mid-40s now, and uh my eyes aren't as you know good as they used to be. And so that red dot helps, man. It helps a lot. It really doesn't hinder me. Now there was a learning curve at first to acquire because you your your desire when you first use a red dot when you when you pull that pistol up is to find the dot. That's not the goal. Your goal is to find the target and then superimpose the dot over top of it. So if you're chasing the dot all the time, yeah, it's gonna be hard. You gotta train yourself out of that. And what an easy thing to do is just put a piece of black tape over the front of your red dot, and that way you're not trying to find the dot. I've got a friend who carries a Glock 19 for duty, and he has a red dot, and his department required them to get the RCR, which has the donut of death and the red dot in the middle, and he likes that a lot more because he can find the circle a whole lot faster, and that allows him to just dial in the dot. Yeah, it gives him the point of preference.

SPEAKER_04: 27:30

That yeah, those are the red dots I like the most.

SPEAKER_02: 27:35

No, I usually just use just the dot as small as I can get it, you know. But I mean, I get it, you know, especially if you're new to it. Absolutely. Now, my rifle, yeah, I've got the donut of death because it allows it allows ranging on the front. So I know okay, this is what I hold if I'm 200 yards out, this is what I hold if I'm 300 yards out, and so forth. But yeah, absolutely. Red dots are are in fact, we're almost getting to the point because red dots are so dependable and durable, you don't even need iron sights on a pistol anymore. Just like with a lot of rifles, a lot of these optics is so are so durable and reliable, you don't need backup iron sights anymore, especially if it's a prism site where it's etched into the reticle, and that's not gonna fail. No, right? The dot the it's just not maybe it doesn't light up because your battery's dead, but it's not gonna fail. You're still gonna have the etching on the reticle, you know, especially with like LPVOs, they're all etched on the on the glass, the reticle is, and so there's no reason to have to pay extra for good backup iron sights because you're paying at least 150 bucks for a good pair of backup iron sights, when you can put 150 into a better optic if you're gonna spend that money anyway. But there is also the the theory that you know one is none, right? Two is one, one is none. So I get like the wanting to have the backup, but you eventually just have to get you, you just have to be comfortable with like if this goes down, if my if my sight gets knocked off my rifle, if something's hit it so hard that my scope has been knocked up on my rifle, my rifle's probably out of commission anyway. It's true.

SPEAKER_04: 29:16

Yeah, hold on. I guess I guess they want to. Okay, give me a second. Let me get it back up. Takes a little takes a second here, guys.

SPEAKER_02: 29:28

FUDs are also the guys that like everything they say you to you is the gospel. Like they there is no room for them to be wrong whatsoever. Right? What and because they've learned because their their uncle used to be in working the NRA, and so he taught them how to shoot, right? And so now everything he says is is coming from straight from the Lord. You know and some of the like we said, the places you're gonna find them most of the time are gun stores and ranges. Those are the most of the places. That you're gonna find them. And sometimes we all have a little FUD in us anyway. Yeah, of course. You know, because we all have our like you know, our hang-ups on things that have always been good for us.

SPEAKER_04: 30:11

Some people would say my love of double single action makes me a little bit of a FUD over striker-fired guns.

SPEAKER_02: 30:19

Man, double single actions are coming back though. They are, and I do love them. I really do. It's funny how the gun industry always has cycles. You know, because we got away from like the uh the pencil profile barrels on rifles for a long time. Or like the you know, you got like the 16-inch barrel with like a 10-inch rail on it, right? And it or in the quad rails went out for a long time and they came back.

SPEAKER_04: 30:42

Quadrails are back, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 30:44

Yeah, cheese graters as we like to call them. You know, but but there's always cycles of things as they go in and out. I mean Beretta's re-releasing the M9A1. Yeah, can't go wrong with the Bretta. I mean, it won two Gulf Wars.

SPEAKER_03: 31:05

Well, did it win the second? Did we win the first? Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_04: 31:15

It pounded in 10 stakes through two Gulf Wars.

SPEAKER_02: 31:21

Why does why would we make you a guess? Give me something here sweeten the pot for me. Give me a reason. What's the issue for ball for carry? Ball doesn't expand enough, it's it's not as lethal as hollow points or even a soft point, and it's tendency to overpenetrate. Uh now, if you want penetration, right, because you're trying to shoot through a windshield or or a cinder block wall or something, like ball could be good, but you can get enough penetration with a hollow point to still get through some of these barriers, especially something like Hornity. Yeah, because some of them are what's called called barrier blind, right? Where they say like it'll still punch through barriers, even though, like, especially Hornity Critical Duty has that that you know filament in the middle to help it punch through barriers. But see if I can Grand Thumb did a really good video, I think, on barriers and and and what rounds go through what a while ago, like a car door, nine millimeters and go both through both sides. Like you're not protected behind a car door at all. You're you're not even covered behind an axle. Like you basically need to be in the the best spot behind an engine block, and that's it. Even a nine mil is going through straight through all those all those layers of any car, especially newer cars where they're mostly aluminum and plastic.

SPEAKER_04: 33:04

So Mike Lewis was was was kicked off and banned from locals after that episode, guys. Don't worry. Because we realized we shared the telegram link that same night, and we did not want him in our telegram group chat spilling our group chat to everyone.

SPEAKER_02: 33:23

Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Speaking of telegram, y'all need to get in our telegram. We have a competition going, it's been posted in Telegram, and uh the the prize is I will buy you an avoiding Babylon shirt of your choice for whoever wins. The the rules and everything are up in the telegram chat. We have you have to the end of the month. The end of the month we'll pick a winner, and on top of that, because you're required to record your your your trial, basically, whoever wins, your recording of your video of your trial will be included in the intro video. So every month, whoever wins, that's it. That's how you're gonna find out who wins. It's gonna be in the intro video.

SPEAKER_04: 34:07

That'll be cool.

SPEAKER_02: 34:08

Right now we only have one person that's submitted, so we need some people to submit.

SPEAKER_04: 34:12

I need it.

SPEAKER_02: 34:14

So you you're gonna have to do some practice. You got the month. I don't care if you do it, post them all on the last day of the month and practice up until then. Good. But yeah, that's kind of the whole point of it. Get those entries then. We've got a lot of stuff going on over there. We we talk about a lot of topics. We've posted a lot of deals. There's a lot of deals right now and stuff, guys. If you want to buy ammo, there's never been a better time right now than buy ammo. We are in the Trump slump and everybody's trying to offload a bunch of equipment. We're about to hit Black Friday. You're gonna see a whole lot of deals come out for Black Friday. I mean, you can basically get just not glocks. Well, you might maybe like you might have some places trying to because you have a lot of police turn-ins as well, like police trade-end blocks. That's a very curious too. I suppose but you're gonna see a lot of right now. If you can buy a thousand rounds of five, five, six for like four hundred bucks with shipping, that's crazy. I know that sounds like you know that$400 is still a lot of money for a lot of us, but even if you buy 500 rounds for 200 bucks with free shipping, like that's a great deal. So, right now is the best time to stock up a bunch of stuff that you may have been waiting on. There's always deals on even creed more. You're gonna find the issue with creedmore is a lot of this, especially when you get into longer range shooting, you're better off reloading than buying factory because your barrel, your gun is going to you're gonna have to figure out what it likes because a lot of long-range shooting is very finicky. So it's fine to start out with some factory ammo if you're only going out to you know a few hundred yards, 500, 600 yards. But once you're wanting to go past that, you really need to start getting to reloading to figure out what temperament your gun has and what it likes.

SPEAKER_04: 36:00

So, no, we cannot do super chats right now because the new channel is not monetized because we don't have a thousand subs yet. So make sure you guys subscribe, make sure you guys share the channel, share the videos so we can get up to a thousand subs. We did uh we want to watch that uh FUD video, yeah. The other FUD one. Yeah, let's do that one.

SPEAKER_02: 36:21

This is Masad Ayyub, who's big in the the gun realm, giving his uh his FUD lore. Because he's a FUD. Big FUD. Huge FUD.

SPEAKER_04: 36:37

Big old FUD. Oh my gosh. Okay, we're making friends tonight, guys.

SPEAKER_03: 36:45

That catfish-eyed fucker from Wilson Combat with the bad wig doesn't know what he's talking about.

SPEAKER_00: 36:50

Don't do this.

SPEAKER_03: 36:52

Amen, brother.

SPEAKER_00: 37:01

Now everybody wants to be a cool kid and have all these gadgets in the gun.

SPEAKER_03: 37:19

God forbid you don't actually shoot your gun either.

SPEAKER_02: 37:24

That catfish I there was a bit there was a big deal, you know, probably less than five years ago, where people were telling you not to dry fire your gun because it would wear out your gun faster.

SPEAKER_04: 37:37

Yeah. They would say, Oh, well, at least you have well put snap caps in there and stuff like that. Like you're fine.

SPEAKER_02: 37:45

Like your firing pin is a hardened steel, it's gonna last a long time, right? Very, very rarely do I see a firing pin break. Yeah, you're more than likely gonna have your barrel shoot out before your firing pin ever becomes into issues. Now that's with like stock firing pins. I've seen some aftermarket firing pins break after like 30 rounds, but that's what you get when you're buying aftermarket, you have to worry about that stuff. Speed racking, yeah. That's what it just you're just now you're gonna start seeing some things and people just they just make up a rule and they think everybody should believe it, right?

SPEAKER_04: 38:22

So I uh I bought that Springfield Prodigy that their 2011 uh remember and I was having issues with it. Yeah, I did get it to work real well after manually racking it 1200 times.

SPEAKER_02: 38:36

Golly, they if you buy a gun and it needs a break-in period, right? Like it you need to find a different gun. Yeah, I remember I bought my first my first handgun I bought was a Kimber 1911 subcompact, and they on the box it said it needs a 500-round break-in period. At that by the time I didn't know anything because like the only other you know, pistol I ever shot was a brother because I was still in the Marines, right? 500 rounds, that sounds familiar. You know, that's like that sounds okay. So I shot 500 rounds and it still shot the same. Like I never noticed it. Maybe it didn't need a break-in period, maybe that's like their their CYA for if they're gun, you know, because Tamber started using very mold-injected metal for a lot of the parts, and so like they didn't the quality control wasn't very good, so they had a lot of burrs and stuff that you'd have to wear through.

SPEAKER_04: 39:24

Yeah, yeah. The the uh the Sarah coat coating on the uh on the spring field was too thick. I believe it. Yeah, so I believe had to wear that one down a little.

SPEAKER_02: 39:35

Yeah, I uh so I had a I traded for a Glock 17, and that thing had already had like 5,000 rounds there before I got it. And I switched out the barrel and a couple other things, but I put in a after I put in an extended mag release and I put in an extended slide release on it. The issue with the slide release was it was actuating the trigger sometimes, so it shoot on full auto on somehow. It just kept like actuating the in what not full, like it would shoot like five rounds in a row and then stop. I won't say full auto, but uh five round bursts is still cool, yeah. So I had to I had to put the other trigger back in it because I was at the range when I found out. So you had a couple of guys like picking up what's going on over here? What's going on? But I want to get to the point though where I can shoot so fast on a semi-auto that it sounds like full auto, that'd be amazing, like kind of like a bump stock type thing. But yeah, have you ever seen the Micah Mayfield shoot from the hip and he just kind of like jerks the trigger a little bit and he can make it shoot full auto?

SPEAKER_04: 40:44

Yeah, if you if you hook your thumb in your belt loop, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 40:49

We get to that point one day. Oh all right, let's see. What else we got in the notes we can go over? Well, you wanna go over the EPT stuff? Uh-huh. Sure. Let's do that. So the first one's the Wall Street Apes. That don't play the sound on it, just kind of show them because there's some bad language in there, and I don't want that to come up.

SPEAKER_04: 41:12

Well, the last video we played said cat-eye or cat-eyed.

SPEAKER_02: 41:19

So look, we're just trying to explain somebody. So the first one's fine. The first one's fine, the second one is of the influencer. Don't don't let the sound play on that one.

SPEAKER_04: 41:29

Okay, the first one was the Wall Street Apes.

SPEAKER_02: 41:33

Okay. That one, the first one of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 41:40

The federal government. I'm pretty sure this is fine. The federal government telling states not to send out November Snap benefits. Here's the email I just got from the USDA. So here's the letter that the USDA sent us. You can see it's dated for October 10th. That was last Friday. Why am I now getting it today, Wednesday, the 15th? Well, it's because I did a story on SNAP benefit changes that are coming November 1st. I did that story yesterday. They responded by sharing this memo with us today. Let's take a closer look at it. Let's look at the second paragraph. Considering the operational issues and constraints that exist in automated systems and in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are forced to direct states to hold their November issuance. The federal government telling states not to send out. So that was the first one.

SPEAKER_02: 42:39

There's some rough language in it. He real upset. He is, as the kids say, chimping out.

SPEAKER_03: 42:52

Okay, let me make sure this is muted here before I share it.

SPEAKER_02: 42:56

I mean, you got like five or ten seconds before it gets into the rough language. So basically, what he's going over is this is a TikTok influencer who has like 400,000, something like that, subscribers on TikTok. And he is freaking out because he's finding out he's not gonna get his snap EBT.

SPEAKER_04: 43:18

Uh he has 400,000 followers on TikTok, TikTok, and he needs snap. Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 43:24

So you guys and he's not he's some type of French African colony, something. I don't know. Notarian. He starts pronouncing Novembre, you know. But he uh he's freaking out this entire time. And if you look on social media, it's like there's thousands of these. Of these people just freaking out about losing their snap benefits.

SPEAKER_04: 43:47

Wait a minute. What do you mean YouTube down? Oh my gosh, yeah. They Adrian, we showed the video of guns.

SPEAKER_02: 44:01

Video of guns. Oh, are they racking the slide? Yes. And that caused YouTube to go down.

SPEAKER_04: 44:08

Yeah, remember?

SPEAKER_03: 44:09

Yeah. That's so dumb.

SPEAKER_04: 44:13

Removed, okay. Due to community guidelines.

SPEAKER_00: 44:19

Golly.

SPEAKER_04: 44:21

Uh we're still up on X though, right? Yeah, everyone's saying we're up on X. Golly. That's so dumb. I should why why did I okay? It's gonna make it really hard to do a live show about guns. It is.

SPEAKER_02: 44:37

Can we show pictures of guns? Can I can I draw a picture of a gun and hold it up? Depends on how good of an artist you are.

SPEAKER_04: 44:45

If you're really good, probably not. I'm not I'm not that great of an artist.

SPEAKER_02: 44:49

We'll probably be fine. We'll be fine. It'll be like stick figures holding guns.

SPEAKER_04: 44:54

That's so that's so dumb. Okay, so we're we're still live on YouTube, so we can finish out the episode and I can upload it as a just as a as a video because it's only live they care about because they uh and I I don't think it's really anything necessarily against guns, they don't want people live streaming and like self-deleting, yeah. Yeah, I get that. So anytime the live stream sensor catches a firearm on screen, it takes it over. Yeah, yeah, I get that.

SPEAKER_02: 45:28

That makes sense. See, we're figuring these good thing we're not huge. So this might hurt somebody if you know, like we had a huge channel, yeah. You know, especially if you're like depending on money from these shows. Like, sorry, man. Yours go without a paycheck this week.

SPEAKER_04: 45:51

Um, I wonder how how we're gonna deal with this going forward.

SPEAKER_02: 45:57

We just can't show, or we're gonna have to pre-record something.

SPEAKER_04: 46:03

We could do live shows.

SPEAKER_02: 46:05

I like the community involvement.

SPEAKER_04: 46:07

I mean, we could do live shows on Twitter, right? And then release it a day or two later on YouTube. We could. It might be what we have to do. Maybe because otherwise we'll never be able to show guns like not only our like our guns, but videos of guns. Like that makes it hard. Yeah, that does. We might yeah, we might have to do that just because they got us for a flintlock musket last time.

SPEAKER_02: 46:37

So when you when you uh re appeal this one or whatever, we might just have to like remove that segment of the video or something.

SPEAKER_04: 46:47

Well, no, because it will be so yeah, I could I could appeal it and I'll I'll probably win because it wasn't even them firing guns, yeah. Right? And like the thing is you have to show that you're at a range if you do it on if you do it live, but I don't think but even if I have them restore this, they're only gonna have up to the point it was cut.

SPEAKER_02: 47:10

So what you're telling me is we have to do a show one day where I'm at my range, and I'm shooting guns at my range. Yes, could it be any range? Can it be like my backyard range? I will have to be like at a like a commercial range. I could do that. I mean, I can set my GoPro and stuff, go out there and just talk and shoot at the same time. Ah, this is a pain. Say it's better we make these mistakes.

SPEAKER_04: 47:42

Those guns weren't even firing. The flint lock fired, but yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 47:51

Well all of our views are from uh X right now. It looks like everybody switched over to X.

SPEAKER_04: 47:56

We have well, so the the way so when it shows X views, yeah, is cumulative. Yeah, but whereas the what it would show the YouTube views that was live at that time. So do we need to stop the stream and restart it? No, we just need to finish it out and then I'll upload the recorded thing up to YouTube.

SPEAKER_02: 48:17

But we're not gonna have any community though.

SPEAKER_04: 48:20

No, we won't.

SPEAKER_02: 48:23

It'll just be us talking. Yeah, I don't have a problem with that, but that'll be very fun for everybody else.

SPEAKER_04: 48:30

It's it's it's weird, doesn't it feel lonely all of a sudden? It does.

SPEAKER_02: 48:36

I like seeing the comments. Is there any way to bring up the comments from YouTube or from X?

SPEAKER_04: 48:40

Yeah, yeah, if if they're if they're leaving them. So like these is notice the X symbol in the Yeah. So these are these were left on on my video on X. Okay. We gotta figure out how to get your X account attached to, by the way. Okay, so we we just gone over the EBT stuff. So before this before the show, I asked you if you thought that the shutdown was gonna go long enough where that actually does happen, and you said you think so.

SPEAKER_02: 49:12

I think it I think it has a high likelihood because there is a stipulation in federal law that in order to fight fire someone, you have to give them 60 days notice.

SPEAKER_05: 49:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 49:25

Okay. And apparently a bunch of those notices went out as soon as the shutdown happened. So I think they're gonna make the shutdown go for 61 days. Then they'll bring everybody, and so that way those all those firings will go through and be permanent.

SPEAKER_00: 49:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 49:40

Right? So we're looking at December 1st or so before this thing's over. So absolutely, but just keep in mind though, like if all these people who are who are so used to all their food coming from an EBT, like they've never had to actually come out of their own budget to buy food, and the and so keep in mind as well, what demographics normally use EBT? Yeah, right? What kind of people, how do they behave normally when they have EBT? Right? And now you take away their food, or you take away their their uh ability for free food, anyway, and because they're getting thousands of dollars. So having that many people that upset about not having food, and they already don't aren't on the best behavior, it's gonna be like if you think black Black Friday's bad when people are trying to get TVs, imagine that with food. When people, because most people are not used to going without one meal, and we we have a little bit of a leg up on the competition because we're you're we're Catholics who are trying to do the right things. We usually fast at least you know once a week or so, at least a meal, right? So we get used to hunger a little bit better than the average person who just constantly satiates themselves and is not worried about ever being without food, or they never do go without at all. Yeah, very true. There's a lot of things gonna run out of money here soon. I mean, the the military isn't it the only reason they got paid is because the banks like USAA and Navy Fed have fronted them. Oh boy, the Navy Fed and USAA and stuff have done it before. Right? When when there was a government shutdown when I was in, and this was in like 2011, I think, 2012, Navy Fed went ahead and paid us because they know it was going to come in. Right. And banks just print money anyway. Um so they can just give a lot, they can they have unlimited lending capability because they know they can be backed by the Federal Reserve.

SPEAKER_00: 51:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 51:51

Um so the the military's still getting paid, you know, even like federal agencies are still getting paid if they if they're with a bank that's doing it. Otherwise, you know, depending on you know what their the budgetary assignment is, because I know some guys who are considered emergency personnel and they're still getting paid, even though they don't do anything like they're like you know, uh office of uh government or what is it, uh OGA, uh Office of Governmental Assistance or something like that. I can't remember what it's called anyway. They're still getting paid, and all they're doing is like budgetary issues, right? Or keeping projects going. They're still getting paid, you know. But so as we start to see a lot of these people who are not used to not eating, right? Things are gonna get bad. You're gonna see I've already seen videos of them like, well, I'm gonna go up and I'm gonna have my carts full of food and I'm gonna go to pay, and they're gonna say it's not enough on there, and I'm just gonna walk out with my food. You have 30 of those people at a time, there's not enough police for that. No store, right? Like it's gonna be it's gonna be, and then that's gonna cause a run on the rest of the food. Because everybody who's there paying with their own food, their own money to buy food, is gonna see these people walking out with free food because the snaps not even in for it, and there's gonna be a it's gonna cause riots. I guarantee we'll at least one or two riots run out of people making a run on food.

SPEAKER_04: 53:20

Yeah, and and both sides have reasons to want the shutdown to continue. The left wants it to continue because they do want that sort of you know, unrest and riots. The right wants it to continue because, like you said, they want to fire, you know, half the federal workforce. Um, so yeah, I think you're right. I think we probably will see it go that long. And uh that's yeah, that's a that's a bad time of year.

SPEAKER_02: 53:47

Especially on Thanksgiving, like if you can't get food for Thanksgiving, right? People are upset because they're not about to have that 50-pound turkey, you know, or two, three pound turkeys or whatever they're gonna usually get, you know. Um I'm not a big fan of turkey. I mean, it's okay. Uh I'm gonna have like a hand or something like that.

SPEAKER_04: 54:09

But uh is Adrian breaking a bad for everyone else? Are you still there? I'm here. Okay. Okay, I see one bar though.

SPEAKER_02: 54:31

One bar, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 54:40

I love how I I'm literally like one of the most remote rural people I know, and I always have better internet than you, I have better internet than Anthony in New York City. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_02: 54:52

If I was closer to the house, it would be better. Yeah, but it's I'm 100 yards from the house right now. Like having to kind of I'm kind of stretching the lens here. But if I was in the house, like I wouldn't be able to be free to say certain things because I got my kids listening, you know. So we had to this allowed a little bit more freedom. We just have to deal with spotty internet occasionally. Go for it while you're that while you're there, go ahead and bring the dead bitch over because I gotta three power lines to go from the house to my shop. So let's look at all out at once.

SPEAKER_04: 55:34

I think the Amazon internet outage hit Adrian. I I think you're getting a little bit better. Tonight is just tonight has been perfect, which is great. Could not go better, guys.

SPEAKER_02: 55:59

Rob is super uncomfortable right now.

SPEAKER_04: 56:04

Yeah, I mean, not much more than usual.

SPEAKER_02: 56:10

What are you and Anthony going over tomorrow night?

SPEAKER_04: 56:12

Do you have somebody coming on? I don't think we have a guest. I'm not sure what we'll be talking about.

SPEAKER_02: 56:19

Well, he's doing something Wednesday night with Mike Pantile, I think.

SPEAKER_04: 56:22

Yeah, him and Enoch gonna be with Pantile on Wednesday night, and then some Wednesday night in November I'll be on with Mike. Is it Pantile or Pantile? I think it's Pantile. I don't know. I just depends how Italian he wants to be, I guess.

SPEAKER_02: 56:41

I was I always find it funny when people have to correct them on their name all the time. Speaking of which, did you see Holdsworth go after Lewis?

SPEAKER_04: 56:49

I did not watch it, but I haven't watched it yet.

SPEAKER_02: 56:52

I'm saving that one.

SPEAKER_04: 56:53

You know, I mean, obviously I'm I'm on Holdsworth's side. Um but I I wonder if he knows what he's getting himself into.

SPEAKER_02: 57:05

The good thing for Holdsworth is he's self-employed, so he doesn't have to worry about being canceled from an employer, so he has a little bit more freedom for that stuff.

SPEAKER_04: 57:16

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02: 57:17

But if you're if you've gone off the rails so much that Holdsworth is coming after you, like is the only person he's ever gone after is the Glofton. Yeah, that's true. So you must have messed up real bad if Canadians come after you. He's he set aside his niceness, and he's like, he's gonna give you his all shucks, you know, to beat down.

SPEAKER_04: 57:43

I don't know why my internet's staying this bad. I mean it's it's you the video's still iffy, but the sound's at least better now. At least it sounds good.

SPEAKER_02: 57:52

It sounds better. Yeah, um, do we want to go? Do we want to go over Dr. K's are it? It's just on his podcast.

SPEAKER_04: 58:01

We can. I I didn't read it. Was uh was there some good stuff in there?

SPEAKER_02: 58:05

There was some there were some poignant topics he went over. And the guy so the guy who did it, let me pull it up. Uh John McGlenn McGlyon or something something Scottish or Welsh, something completely unpronounceable. Yeah, John McGlion. McGlynn? McGlenn. I bet it's McGlenn of the clan McGlenn.

SPEAKER_04: 58:30

Why can't they just write that then? I don't know. They're Scottish.

SPEAKER_02: 58:35

So he goes over True.

SPEAKER_04: 58:37

We're just we should be glad they're writing it all.

SPEAKER_02: 58:40

So he goes over the enunciation shooting and such, but when he gets so there's a paragraph right before the stop gun violence picture. Yeah, that one. So when this principle is extended outward, it's force only grows. The duty to protect others, especially children, is even more binding than the duty to protect oneself. Children can't defend themselves, their lives and futures depend entirely on the courage of those willing to shield them from harm. To deny such responsibility is to deny both natural law and divine command. It is to treat innocence as expendable, which no Christian conscience can accept. And this stretches into a lot of them, you know, the pro-life cause, well, anti-abortion. Like we need to stop calling pro-life, the anti-abortion cause.

SPEAKER_04: 59:25

I was gonna say the only disagreement I have with the article was calling it the pro-life case for gun rights.

SPEAKER_02: 59:32

But I think that's that's a current shift that's needing to happen, right? Because pro-life has always been understood as well, we're against abortion. Yeah, and we're and we're but we're pro like supporting the mother too, right? But now it's because of the seamless garment has made his is turned his rear his ugly head again. We're seeing you know this perversion of the term happening a lot again. So now we you know we we have to stop accepting the Terms of the left on on language. And so we need to be just more we need to stop being nice because we've been you know we've been nice this whole time. Like, what's the pro-life cause? No, we're anti-abortion, right? We're we're anti-child murder. You know, and so yeah, to your point, I agree, but I think that that transitioning is is happening now. Let's see. Then getting down so two, three paragraphs down starts with Catholic social teaching. Catholic social teaching reinforces this truth through the principle of subsidiarity. Problems must be addressed at the most immediate level possible by those closest to the need. It is the same principle that entrusts parents, not bureaucrats, with raising their children or local parishes, not distant offices, with caring for the poor. Applied to security, subsidiarity demands that when danger threatens a family or a parish, the first responsibility lies with those present. Protection cannot be outsourced to far-off authorities who arrive only after the harm is done. As we talked about before, when we had we were talking about Rick's book, the police have no duty to protect you. Their duty is to investigate the crime afterwards. Not only that, but most response time, the best response times, even the one that happened at that, you know, magic underwear church, they were there in like two minutes. Two minutes, a lot of people can die in two minutes, right? Especially if someone has a semi-automatic rifle and they know how to use it. And a bunch of people are pouring out of a of a door where so there's a funnel of people coming out. I mean, he could have been he could have killed hundreds of people if he wanted to, and killing more than one person with one bullet. So the with the police not having a duty to protect you, it is incumbent upon us to be able to one be trained enough to do it in order to take action when we need to, but to also have the capability of doing it, right? Which means you need to have a firearm, right? So when I'm out with my family, I'm always armed.

unknown: 1:02:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:10

If I'm out with just one kid, I'm armed. There are sometimes I if I'm out by myself, I may not carry. It depends on the situation. Like if I'm going for a run or a ruck or something, I may not carry, but I may, just for those of you who know where I live. But most even if I go to the gym, I'll probably have one in a bag or something, right? But my duty to protect my family is paramount, right? Just like with you and your family, because I guarantee you when you go out, you're probably carrying all the time too, especially because you live up north and it's a little bit easier for you to carry because you can wear bigger, you know, clothing. Yeah, right. It gets hot down here in the summer, and I'm barely wearing a t-shirt and you know, some drawstring shorts, like it's a little bit more difficult for me to carry. But it is it is our responsibility to do that. Does it make it uncomfortable for me sometimes? Yeah, but like, so what? I'm uncomfortable. I'll get over it. I'd rather be uncomfortable and my kids alive than being comfortable and something happens to one of my kids or my wife or whoever, right? Or maybe somebody that I'm just at church by myself and somebody else has their kids there, and I have to respond to something, right? Like, I I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I know I have the capability to do something, but I didn't have the tools to do it. What do you think?

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:32

I uh I I like how he framed this through you know, this part through the the subsidiarity. I think in our modern age, everyone, and I do mean everyone, not just the left, but but the right to has outsourced so much of things that should be their responsibility to someone else, whether it's daycare or government school, or you know, even like the fire department, like yeah, you know, it's a good thing the fire department's there, obviously, but you should have the tools to be able to put out a small fire in your own home, you know what I mean? Like like we're so used to to letting other people deal with our problems for us, and when those items aren't there for whatever reason, whether it's a government shutdown or some sort of natural disaster, suddenly everyone's left with without the ability to care for themselves.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:34

Yeah, I think because we lived in a high trust, mostly homogeneous society for a long time, we could do that, right? But since the 80s, when the floodgates were opened, especially under Reagan, like we don't we've slow that's slowly eroded, and now we're at the point where we're on the precipice of becoming South African. Um you know, and it's it's at a point now where if you want something done right, you're gonna have to do it yourself, or you're gonna have to pay out the nose for it. And a lot of us don't have the funds. For I'll give you an example on something. So we were going through our budget today, and I noticed my and y'all might have seen this on X, but I was kind of complaining about it. My homeowners has almost tripled in four years. When I first moved to this house three years ago, over three years ago, I was paying like sixteen hundred dollars a month. They just in May, they just the payment was forty three hundred dollars from escrow. Right. And when I was calling for quotes today, it's gonna be forty, nine hundred dollars next May if things keep going like they are, so it's definitely gonna go up by 300%. Wow, and so now we're shopping around, Sean, see if we can find something cheaper because that's insane. That's that is insane. You're looking at almost$500 a month just for homeowners, right? And nothing has changed about my house, right? And it's not like my coverage has gone up because my house is still worth the same.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:07

If anything, coverage on stuff, especially on like roof, roofs has decreased a lot in the last couple years.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:14

Well, what was that word? Don't do it, don't make talk to it. Do you say crick roofs?

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:19

Roofs? Roofs. Do you say crick or creek? Creek. Okay, good. Just make sure.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:26

Now yeah, what like what do you what do you call what do you call the little lobster things in the creeks? What do you call crawl dads? Crayfish.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:34

No, they're crawl dads.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:35

No, definitely crayfish. No, they're crawl dads, whatever they are, they're delicious.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:42

Or or a crawfish. Like we have a lot of crawfish boils down here. Shut up, gunner.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:46

Shut up.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:50

But like we have a metal roof, so I never like I'm not have to worry about a roof for 50 years.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:55

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:56

But it's not like my coverage got had went up. Like I did, like my house, you know, was I bought it for like mid-fours. It's not like they're looking to replace a now, it's a$600,000 house. No, my coverage is still for mid-fours. So why has my coverage tripled? So it's not like inflation has affected how much my mouth house is worth, so now it's more expensive to replace it. So it so things like this, we we're now having to suffer the consequences of a society that is no longer high trust because now you've got people. One, as we've seen last week of the report that came out about FHA loans, they're giving like H1B visas, we're giving getting an H1 uh getting a FHA loan for whatever amount they wanted, regardless of what their income was.

unknown: 1:07:39

Right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:39

We're but back right back to the subprime landing we were in 2008. Except probably way worse then. Way worse. It's way like if y'all want to go down the financial rabbit hole one show, we can do that. But uh, but seeing these things, because we're we're now getting to the point, we're in a collapsing system, but it's not collapsing fast, it's it's just slowly degrading, right? And so what we're gonna see is like for example, power. You're gonna start seeing rolling brownouts because especially as all the data AI data centers come online. And that could because for I've got friends that work for Southern Co. down here, which is a big power conglomerate that covers you know Georgia Power, Alabama Power, and so forth, right? And these data centers they're wanting to build, like they're wanting to build one in Mississippi, and they have to build an entire power plant just for that data center, right? Which is gonna make everybody's rates go up. They're gonna act like the you know X or whoever is paying for it, but it's gonna make everybody else's rates go up because X don't want to pay for it forever, they just want to pay for it for enough to get built. But now everyone's rates are gonna go up because that large consumption of power is going in. But on top of that, transformers are not majority of transformers are not made in the United States, they're made in no China is a big producer of transformers. I think India might be the other one. It's the other one's somebody like you wouldn't expect, but there's an 18-month backlog on getting new transformers, like so. You're having power companies who are making transformers last 100% longer than they're supposed to. Like if it was like a 15-year transformer, they're trying to stretch them out to 30 years, right? Because there's it's gonna be forever for them to get, and then you have all these neighborhoods going up where they need new transformers for these, you know. So the backlog is getting worse and worse and worse. Wow, if we ever have a Carrington event, we're all done for. Yeah, if you like if you're on any type of like insulin or psychiatric drugs, like your shelf life's about 30 days. All right, that's why it's you have to be in shape, you have to be used to not eating, like skip a meal once a day at least. So you can so when you have to skip a day, it doesn't hurt as bad, and you can still you don't you don't get really bad brain fog. You have to be able to source your own water. Go on, Bobby. Well, they are more than meets the eye, and uh and you you have to make yourself as resilient as possible because it's slow. The best book series to read about this is called 299 Days by Glenn Tate. That's his pen name, it's not his real name, but and he basically it's a fiction series, but it it's spot, it was written like 15 years ago, 20 years ago almost at this point, and it is spot on with what's going on, and he's almost like nostril, or something. But uh we're things are slowly degrading, we're losing trust in people, and all of our complex infrastructure is degrading, and it's gonna get to the point where you know you're gonna have people stealing copper from power lines and stuff to to recycle and get money from it. We're 20 years behind South Africa at this point, and it's not gonna get any better until we can become a high trust society again, and that won't happen if the left ever gets back in power, because if they get back in power, they're going for blood. Because everything Trump's doing now, they're gonna do times 10.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:09

Yeah, it probably won't happen even if they never get back in power, but but it definitely won't happen if they do, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:17

All right, so and I'm gonna don't you don't have to bring up the article. I'm gonna read this one more quote on it. The church's teaching on legitimate defense runs far deeper than modern pacifist interpretations admit. Pope Pius XII stated plainly that self-defense, especially when others' lives depend on it, can rise to the level of grave duty. Could you imagine? Imagine with me. Close your eyes and let's go. You have to go to confession because you have to get absolution for not protecting someone when you should have. Like that one, what kind of hit would that make to your to your self-esteem for the rest of your life? That is a regret you can never get over. When you could have done something and now someone's no longer here, right? Like that you will never the the amount of guys I know who have survivors' guilt from Afghanistan war, Iraq war, or whatever, which is why a lot of them self-delete. Yeah, they just can't deal with it anymore. They can't stand that like they're the only one of their fire team that survived an IED, and 10 years later they just don't want to be here anymore, and they self-delete. So with a possibly rising, you know, because this is a you know a papal magisterium, it's not you know the ordinary well, I guess.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:43

Ordinary universe.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:44

Well, but regardless, you know, an esteemed Pope, right, uh, who may be canonized one day has made the comment that it could rise to grave duty, right? Which just reinforces everything we do on the show, right? Our goal here is to build a community for y'all to be able to bounce back and forth on so that we can assist each other in to get to the point where we have a community amongst ourselves. My long-term vision is like next year we have a Guns and Rosaries get together, we all go to my land, we camp out, shoot guns, eat food, have talks, right? We do that for like two or three days at least.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:28

I got plenty of Catholic land movement, except with guns.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:32

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And just you know, we I could do some you know, courses of fire, teach some training, have some guys teach like water purification, you know, whatever. You know, we can learn some stuff. And then we have those happen all over the United States. Like we'll have one in here in the southeast where I'm at, and we'll have one in the northeast, one in the Midwest, in the Southwest, you know, or you know, even in like northern Texas, Oklahoma area, because that's kind of the Midwest, too, just not northern Midwest. But you know, having these all over the place of people who may not be exposed to these communities to be able to re be able to get that that knowledge transfer that goes on. Of course, women folk will be welcome. Who's gonna cook? We need somebody to cook.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:19

We need sandwiches available.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:20

Look, and we need women to learn how to shoot as well. Because we gotta pull security too. Yep, can't do it by myself. Like with my wife, you know, in the house, you know, they I've always explained to her like if someone comes in the house, and bringing in the house, like this, you to get your gun, I'm gonna lock the door when I go out, I'm gonna take care of it. You'll know my special knock on the door. If someone knocks on the door and it's not that special knock, shoot the door.

unknown: 1:14:48

Right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:49

Uh, because I'm gonna keep the kids upstairs, the kids aren't gonna come downstairs, whatever. But she has to know how to shoot to do that. Thankfully, I taught her how to shoot, you know. So it just when it comes down to stress, like how's she gonna react? But you know, I she's not she doesn't have the time to be able to for me to train her for stressful shooting because she's got the family to take care of right now, right? But yes, women will be you can but you could cook beans. Hope beans are easy to cook. Anyone can do that, yeah. I can cook beans, just bring like 30 packages of ramen noodles, we'll we'll make it work.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:25

She does love ramen noodles.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:28

My my wife was asking for them last week. She said, We should get ramen noodles. I was like, baby, no, we grow our own chickens, we're not eating ramen noodles. Although I did I did take everybody to Applebee's on Sunday. My wife has been because I asked my uh the night I asked my wife to marry me, I took her to Applebee's first, right? And then we went, we have the statue in Birmingham called Vulcan, and went up there and asked her marry. So for 17 years, basically, she's been wanting me to take her to Applebee's again, just because like for nostalgia, and I've not let her because like I'm not going to Applebee's, they microwave your food. Uh-huh. 100%. Like, if I want a microwave dinner, I'll go to Publix and pick it up, and we'll eat that, right?

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:08

So if it was a microwave, it was boiled in a bag for real.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:12

So because they all get their food from Cisco, like all of them.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:16

Right. So Sunday, we're going to visit her great, we call her the great aunt. She comes in town on an RV sometimes, and we were going to visit her, and all the kids are hungry after mass. We didn't stay for potluck this Sunday. And you know, as anytime you ask her Michael, where do you want to eat? And she's like, I don't know, I don't care. But they do care.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:34

They just 100% they care.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:36

They want to say no to the first four things you bring up first before they finally say yes, right? So so I was like, let's go to Applebee's. She's like, You're not serious. I'm like, we're putting this thing to bed today. We're going to Applebee's. We're knocking this out. We're not ever going back. Now I shot myself in the foot because my my kids love Applebee's. You poor man. What I'm so dumb. I'm so dumb.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:02

Did you at least go on like Dollar Margarita Day or whatever?

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:06

No, we did like they had like a two for 25 thing, so you get like a free appetizer and two entrees.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:12

Which didn't matter because after all the kids and all the drinks, and I got everybody dessert, I was still over a hundred bucks.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:32

Well, I mean, more likely to be like cigs in your balls.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:37

Another fudlore, you shouldn't carry a pendix because it might shoot off your junk.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:41

Only with cigs.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:42

Unless it's a 320. That's probably gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:48

Some people like to live on the edge, Adrian.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:51

Did you ever see the video of the guy who shoots himself in the the leg and he's carrying it like the three o'clock?

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:56

Yeah, I did see that one. Classic.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:59

It's classic. Do you want to go over anything else in that article? Uh huh. Anything else that interests you?

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:08

Not really.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:10

We've uh I've already talked to George from Chivalry Guild and he wants to come back. Sweet. Next Monday's got to find out. We're uh maybe I gotta find a date and see if he's able to do it. Okay. I think he's pretty amenable to the to the calendar. It's just a matter of making sure he doesn't have anything else going on. We're gonna talk about the some heroes of Christianity. That'll be cool. Um go through some of that stuff. I'm gonna see if he can get me in contact with Raymond Ibrahim. See if I can get like the two of them on, and then just like let them talk, and then we just kind of interject occasionally. That'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:47

When he was doing the uh the game, because I've seen that one. Oh, was that a Glock? Uh I don't know if that was.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:56

It was like an Asian guy or something, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:00

Couldn't tell the accent from the screams personally.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:10

Was the Asian guy gunner? Blink once.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:14

I don't think we see his face or anything, so I don't know how you know he's Asian.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:18

Well, because he's got like, you know, he's not round eye.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:20

He's I you think all we see is him point the gun at his.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:25

No, because he turns around. It was yeah, yeah, it was the game. It was an Asian guy.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:32

Hold on, let me do a quick Google search. Oh boy, Asian guy. We can't show the gun.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:38

Shoots his alt we were already off YouTube, so I guess we could. Um Asian dude shut shoots off Michael Ping.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:50

Oh no, Adrian. So Googling Asian guy shoots his balls off just brings up MMA fights where people get kicked in the balls. I mean, I'm I might watch those later, but he was re-holstering, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:08

Was that what he was doing? No, he was playing the game, Adrian. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:15

The stupid game where you take your gun, yeah, you point at your junk, and you play with the trigger until it gets to the trigger wall. You you try not to shoot yourself in the balls. It was some stupid game. I don't know. It was people you I saw videos of it on Twitter, and one guy actually, yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:36

He was edging the trigger. I I haven't seen that one. I saw one where I got they're doing like a like a game competition, and he was re-holstering, and when he went to re-holster, it got caught on his shirt as he put it into the holster and it shot himself in the the gonads.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:54

Okay, what this video should not be as hard to find. Okay, so I I see the video you're talking about. Guy shoots himself in testicle while holstering gun in Guadalupe County. Yes. I don't know if it actually has the video on this web report.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:12

I don't think it's rapper. Almost shot himself mid-interview. That's a good one. Oh, yeah, he pulled that trigger right in his pocket.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:21

You're seeing the video. Oh, he's got the video here.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:26

Doc two gun. Can I copy that? Oh, we're technology is amazing. It's a pain in the butt. Did you see the one where the uh the people are trying to steal the equipment from the construction site and the Mexicans were shooting nail guns at them?

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:41

Yes, I did see that one. That one was funny.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:51

Man, border patrol picks all the best people. They're creme de la creme. And I was at Fletsi. Some CBB shot herself in the leg real string. I don't doubt it. Fletsi is in uh Glencoe, isn't it? Was it South Carolina? Had a bunch of 1811s go out from the Marines from like NCIS and stuff go over there. Or had to do like dual duty to go over and do Fletsi.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:24

Did you did you actually watch that video he put in the chat? No. Do we want to? Can I click on it? I don't think I can click on it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:31

Have you watched it?

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:32

Uh yep. Okay, so there's no blood. So that makes it okay, right guess.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:39

We're already off YouTube. You might as well.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:41

Might as well, huh? So okay, uh, hold on. Do I have a do I have a banner for this? I have this might be heresy banner. The story time with Anthony Banner. Okay, viewer discretion advise banner. I do have one. There we go. There's no blood, nothing graphic, but do not do this at home. Never this breaks literally every every rule in the book. This is insane.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:03

This is the game that people do.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:06

His skin tone is the wrong color.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:09

Oh, and it's with it's with a dagger. It's a PSA dagger.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:21

Oh, come on, man. I bet.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:28

That's an improvised vasectomy is what that was. Glencoe, Georgia, that's right. Sorry, everyone. Golly, man.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:40

What a that's horrible.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:43

Gunner, good job finding that, but I kind of wish you had it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:49

I can't believe people do that. That's like it that's a step up from the eating of the Tod Pods. Oh, it's way worse, right? Like well, like it's several levels up, but it's up, right? Yeah, it's not good. Like the Tod Pods weren't enough. Pooping purple for a while didn't scare me enough. Now I gotta edge the trigger. That's exactly why men don't live as long as women. You know where that's shown? You ever look up actuary tables? Like how long you'll live if you have like certain things, like what kind of occupation and stuff you're in. You can find out, and like they're pretty accurate. They're like down to the year, what you're when you're how long you're gonna live.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:32

Yeah, I don't need that in my life. Yeah, that was cringy. That was very cringeworthy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:40

Oh so bad. Because it like by the like the fourth trigger, I was like, I'm just waiting for it. Like, when's it gonna happen? Oh, it's gonna be so bad. That's so horrible.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:49

PSA had to be like, the guys at PSA had to be like, really, dude? With the dagger. So bad.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:58

Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:00

All right, what else we got? Uh that was mostly it. I think that was it. Let's see.

SPEAKER_04: 1:25:10

I'm gonna be fair. As bad as that was, it still wasn't someone dying in a suitcase. You don't remember that episode of uh Classic Avoiding Babylon?

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:23

Yes, I do remember. I mean, I've been around for a while. You have been around for a while. I've been almost almost I didn't watch a lot of the trivia. I was around, I just didn't watch them because I thought it was stupid. But uh everyone's gonna hate you now. It was it was fun to watch, but I thought the trivia was stupid. Fair enough. You know, mostly because nobody knew the answers, you know, and like not that I knew the answers, right? I didn't know some of the answers I didn't know either. But like, come on, guys, you're gonna be a contestant, you gotta at least you know, at least be like a catechist or something.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:00

You know, like the best part was just watching Jason argue over the score.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:07

Yeah, that was uh you know what should be that y'all should get somebody to ask y'all the questions, like Anthony against each other?

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:18

Yeah, he would he would definitely win the scripture ones. He has I'll give him that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:25

Yeah, he's he's well versed.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:28

I got I got all the random fact ones though.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:33

Yeah, have you seen do you ever do you follow Wardall on so he's like a I guess he's performed Protestant, maybe?

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:46

I think so. That's what it comes off as. But I think he's on his way. I think so too. Did you see who was at a TLM yesterday? B and W Guerilla.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:00

Oh, I did because he's making those posts about how beautiful Catholic churches are.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:03

Yep. I don't know for sure it was a TLM, but like all the time.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:08

That's the second one he's been to, though. That's the second church he's posted comments about how beautiful Catholic churches are. But I think the issue for a lot of guys who may want they want they want something ancient, right? Yeah, and it's easy to go east for that because there's no such thing as an eastern novus orto, yeah, but there's not that many of them, like they're basically in major metropolitan areas, and that's it. And if you live in more rural areas, you're gonna have much more access to a Catholic church because we actually believed in the Great Commission. So you're he has much more capability to find a Catholic church, and a lot of, especially up in the Northwest, especially north of the Mason Dixon, pretty much, you're gonna find old churches, yes. Because the the population growth in the south didn't start really till air conditioning, because before that it was just it just got too hot. It's too hot down here in the south for for weak bloodline people. So Kevin James is not Catholic. I don't know why y'all spread that rumor around. You know what you obviously spread the rumor that he's a SETI. Oh my gosh, then he has to come on on the show to dispute it. But it's just that the institution has already been established for the Catholic Church in most of America, yeah. So it's easier for him to go to that. So because I I've had that conversation with him on X, and he's talking about like he's leaning more towards orthodoxy. But I will say, because I used to be a part of his telegram chat last year sometime, and a lot of his guys in his chat are Catholic. Are they and some of the guys that he hangs around with are a lot of Catholic? So I think they've sort of steered him away from a lot of that, which is good because you know you don't want anybody to go to hell, but everybody has to make that decision for themselves, especially when that those TLM statistics came out. The news TLM, you know, survey that came out, and I think everybody's making the wrong analysis of it. They're like, Oh, it's only only 22% were every Sunday, you know, mascovers. Of the novice order? Uh yeah, uh, I think it was total, right? Of both of both of them, yeah, yeah. But that's indicative of the church right now. Like someone was arguing, like, well, they're not accounting for the every Sunday going Novasor. Like, yes, they are. They're in the 22% because the other 78% are all the other people that don't ever go, right? And that's very indicative of the church right now. Like, what about the Novosoros that you know are devout? You know, like, well, they're in the 11%, you know, that don't believe in abortion at the Novosordo. Everyone else, the Novosord does, right? And just because it's easier to go along with this what the society tells you than, and especially if your priest isn't. Teaching against it. He wants to go along because he wants to get invited to all the big parties and the galas and and everything. So yeah, he's gonna go along with that stuff too because he doesn't really believe either.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:12

Especially when when you hear from you know the Pope that immigration is just as much a pro-life issue as abortion.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:20

I think I think the big worry is that we're gonna if if Poplio is a Francis 2.0, everyone's concerned we're gonna have him for 15 or 20 years. But as we've alluded to I don't think he's gonna last past 2029 or 2030. If he does, if if the third seed secret of Fatima, the the original and not the interpretation is correct because we don't know what the actual interpretation is. If that is correct, he could be that bishop in white that actually because everybody knows Francis wasn't the one praying for all the dead people, like when anybody serious that's watched what's happened the last 12 years, right? That wasn't him, but I can see Pope Leo doing that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:08

I I think whether you want to attribute you know whatever's coming to the third secret Fatima or or whatnot. I mean, I think we all at least probably people who are watching this video feel like something's coming, like something you know, like society's crumbling. I think it's probably actually crumbling in Europe faster than it is here just due to immigration and things like that. When when that finally does, when things finally do collapse, we we will either need a new pope because Leo is you know gone for whatever reason. Or or he will maybe finally see things as they really are, you know, at that point.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:54

So maybe up up or what maybe the interpretation of the Pope you know being killed there and being shot, right? If I'm remembering my third figure, if I don't know correctly, if I'm not, let me know. But maybe that's him dying to in in a conversion, could be, right? And he's like, okay, now he's like he's doing his pope, Pius the Ninth. Um reenact it, right? And then he becomes the Pope when he hit the time. But I think 2029-2030 is gonna be pivotal, which is a big reason. Like you need to be where you're gonna be, and you need to go ahead and have your infrastructure built wherever you're at, or you need to build your community by then. And I could be hopefully I'm wrong. And hopefully, like by 2028, like Vance comes in and he's like continuing the ship and like correcting things because Vance is a lot better spoken and a lot smarter than Trump, but he's also got that Peter Thiel, you know, influence we have to worry about. Yeah, he does. But once you're president, man, you got all that power. Like some people tend to gross that at that point.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:06

I mean, I I think we're gonna see things start to get exponentially worse somewhere of 28, you know, running up to the election. Um, I think you'll you'll see the beginnings of a color revolution here in the US.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:20

Well, uh, we saw it a bit this weekend with the No Kings thing again. They found was it Representative Luna or whatever, found they pumped$300 million in the Where are they getting this money? Apparently the USAID money hasn't been turned off. Unless Soros is like funding it because$300 million is a drop in the bucket to a guy who's at$86 billion. Right. So like it's nothing for him. So they still have the funds, and so the I think but I think the the heart in it is starting to wane because you're starting to see interviews by former Antifa coming out and trying to tell other people like they need to get out of it because it's a losing battle or whatever. But you're seeing like that's being allowed now, so you're allowed to see those interviews now, and so I think they're the heart maybe starting to wane. Yeah, so I've seen rednecks put some tree stands in some weird places.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:21

It honestly could be it could have been that good old boy that likes watching airplanes land, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:26

And so maybe, you know, maybe it might be another Ryan Routh situation, but like I there was a neighborhood here in Birmingham that's million-dollar houses all around it, and I found a tree stand in a like a one-acre grove. Um like the where there's a will, a redneck will find a way.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:46

Some guy just wanted a place to sit when he had to, you know, go for a walk or something.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:50

You never know. You never know. But even still, like how far what was the distance on it to the to the tarmac? I'm not sure 100%. Because there's nowhere to support yourself in a tree stand unless you bring some type of you know, I don't know, some type of brace of some sort. But like if you're just sitting in a tree stand, unless the unless it's on the other side and you're using the tree to yeah, maybe, or you're hooked in with a with a uh harness and you're using the tree or something, but 200 yards is just is a chip shot, man. Like it's super easy to hit a man-sized target at 200 yards with even with iron sights. But yeah, who knows? I mean, they're they're gonna do everything they can. They don't care now. Like they've seen, we've seen it with Charlie Kirk. Like they they're they don't they're willing to go after anybody and everybody, um, you know, which is a big reason, like I don't like Stephen Crowder very much. I think he's a horrible human being, but he has some good points about stuff. But that's for a big reason he stopped doing the the university stuff because he there was violence every time he did it, and he just didn't think he re didn't he just restart it? He did he's done it once, I think, but I don't know if he's gonna keep doing it. Yeah, who knows? But I mean, I get it. You gotta this is this fight's gonna be a bachelor's game, right? It's gonna be a bachelor's game for a while until the men with families have to get involved, and then it'll be over fast, right? Because men with families who have been to war already and they know what they're capable of, uh, because we have millions of combat vets out there, like at least two million, right? Of guys who have been through the war for 20 years and they've trained their kids and such, right? So if these guys get involved and they know what will they're willing to do to protect their family, like that's that's when the revolutionaries need to be concerned. But until then, it's gonna be a bachelor's game because it's gonna have to be the guys that have no family, they're gonna have to basically creep that line up to the point of no return, which is why it's good. Like a lot of Gen Z isn't married right now because they're probably gonna have to be the ones that are involved with this at the beginning.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:10

Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. You know, it's one of those things, like even thinking about kind of counter-protesting on Saturday, even our little town. Like, what am I gonna do? I'm I'm not gonna go with my family because that would just be you know imprudent and stupid. But even go by myself, like, well, then I'm leaving my family at home on one of the two days a week I get to spend time with them, let alone putting myself in some sort of potential danger for no reason, because counter-protesting is not gonna do too much, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:44

So yeah, and especially when they especially if the protesters have oversight and coverage by the local institutions like the police and stuff. That's why you that's why you don't see the the Proud Boys in like Portland or anything anymore, because they're being arrested for defending themselves, yeah. Right, you know, it's a big reason why, like if something ever popped off in downtown Birmingham, I'm going home. Like, I'm not staying around because I don't want to go to jail for defending myself or my family. Because they would the DA there, absolutely what they're a they're a Soros plant, you know, so it's just not worth it. But these young guys might have to be the ones that have to do that. What else we got? Anything anything been on your mind lately? I mean, I can't wait to talk about fill in the blank. What is for you?

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:37

You gotta fill in the blank.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:39

Oh man, I don't know. Deer hunting's coming up. I'm excited for that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:45

Do you bow hunt or do you just gun hunt?

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:47

No, I don't bow hunt. Last year was my first year hunting anything. Um started with grouse last September, and then did rifle season for deer and then muzzle loader. So this will be my second deer season. Hopefully, I have better luck than I did last year.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:04

Did you see anything last year?

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:06

On my cameras, sure. In the middle of the night, yeah. Big huge eight, you know. Well, I mean, eight-pointers not huge, but for an eight-pointer, it was a big deer, but he did not come around during the day one bit.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:18

Do you do you get out there before sunrise, or do you go do you do you go in the evening?

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:23

No, I I get out there. Um I'm usually in my blind an hour before sunrise. So half because we can shoot half an hour before sunrise. So I like to be in there half an hour before I could possibly shoot. Do you this year? I might go a little earlier, even because I got the PVS 14 to help me get around in the dark a little.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:42

Yeah, I got you. Do you so with gun season up there? Do y'all is it rifle or is it shotgun?

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:48

It's rifle. It's well, it's it's either or, right? Yeah. But uh, everyone just uses rifle.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:57

Yeah, it's uh like I like bow hunting. I like on my land, I hunt with bow because and I and I don't shoot well because I only have really 40 acres. I'm worried about the people around me, but as well, like I don't want to scare the other deer because I do enough shooting over there as it is, right? So I don't want to scare them anymore. But being my 6'5 Creedmoor, I put a suppressor on it, and so hopefully that I might do some like if I need the meat, I would shoot gun, but like right now it's more of just like a sport for me, like you know. So because you know I grow all my own meat already, so and I don't need deer. Like I'm not a big fan of venison. Oh, really? Right, it's it's okay. Like I'll eat it if I have to, but you know, I like fattier meat and get and venison is not fatty whatsoever. No, if you have to when you process it, if you have to mix in other animals' fat just to make it taste good, like that's why people usually just eat the back straps and then turning everything else into sausage, sausage or or uh ground venison, yeah. But I because I grew up on venison. That that was in fact, I ate more venison growing up than I did beef because we were poor, and that the only meat we had was really what my dad could hunt. So it's either that, squirrel, geese, duck, you know, dove, or something like that. We ate a lot of game, and rarely do we have beef, could but I could always tell the difference, like you know, it's a huge difference, but but now like I just do it for the fun. And my kids want to go hunting with me. We're like, uh like but my daughter, like a tradition in my family is your first deer, you have to take a bite of the heart, yeah. And that's all this, you know. My dad did it, my grandfather did it, my great-grandfather did it. He came over from Germany in the late 1800s when they came over. Like, that's always been our tradition. And she's like, I don't want to do it. I was like, Well, if you're gonna go hunting, you have to, otherwise, you don't get to shoot. So we'll see if she actually does it. She just says, No, I'm not gonna make her swallow it. I was like, You just need to buy it. She thinks she has to swallow it. I haven't told her, I'm not gonna tell her till it happens.

SPEAKER_04: 1:41:52

If I get her to buy it, yeah, you mean raw, right? Yeah, raw, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I haven't done it with deer, but I I mean I'll I'll cook beef heart. Yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:04

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:06

I yeah, I don't know what I don't know what rifle I'm gonna hunt with. I was thinking I still have a 6'5 Sig Cross ball to action that I was thinking of putting my suppressor on to hunt with, but I don't know. See down here, like the the the longest shots, you know, because I'm in thick woods, the longest shot you're gonna get is 50 yards. Yeah, so I mean I could even just I don't know. I have a ton of options. Like I could I could hunt with my 500 Smith and Wesson Magnum handgun.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:36

Yeah, yeah. Like I've got a 300 blackout, I could probably shoot and go hunt with that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:42

I've thought about that too. Because within 50 yards, that would work.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:46

Because I heard those those 1903 Springfields are amazing. This word on street.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:55

I do I do have a Springfield M1A. But if I'm I mean that thing's heavy. If I'm gonna bring out a 308, a semi-automatic 308, I might as well just bring out an AR10.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:08

Because you gotta walk with that thing, and then if you get a deer, you've got to drag the deer too. Yeah, you got a 200-pound deer, you know, field dress might be down to like 160, but still you're dragging 160-pound 160 pounds is a lot of weight, especially through thick woods.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:24

That's not gonna be fun. And so where where I hunt, you can't shoot any antlers deer. So anything you know you shoot is gonna have antlers, you know. So you're either dragging them by that or that's getting caught on trees and brush, and 4570. What was this question? Uh if y'all have a second, what and where would you all recommend for a young man living in a major metropolitan area, but I can work remotely. I don't know if he's saying I can work remotely and move or can't, but I can work remotely and move.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:01

Like, where would I suggest you live?

SPEAKER_04: 1:44:07

Well, so if you can work remotely and move, get out of the major metropolitan area. Yeah, and then if you want to know where to live.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:17

Well, I'll tell you one thing that I've been finding lately. Your more affordable housing is gonna be in the northeast. Or any farm, yeah, anywhere it gets cold, basically. Yeah, here in the southeast, you know, even here in Alabama, you can still find fairly cheap housing in certain areas, but you're not gonna be close to like a Latin Mass or any type of River Mass. Like even like a unicorn Novasoro. You're gonna have to drive. Like I have to drive 45 minutes right now to Mass one way. That's with no traffic. But you know, south of me, there's a sm there's a small town that you can get twice the house for this what I got mine for, and it's only 20 minutes south of me. If you're in Atlanta, get out of get out of Georgia. Because north of the basically the northern half of the state is Atlanta. If you can get down to southern Georgia, where it's a little bit more sparse, but you the thing is, if you have to have a reason for why you're moving somewhere, and you can't just move somewhere because it's cheap, right? Because you have to have community, and the best community for any of us is a good parish, yeah. Um, even you know, like George from Chivalry Guild, he goes to a very unicorn Nova Sorta, they have a really good community, right? He but he's up in Michigan, and so you have to have a reason for you. If you need community, you can't do it by yourself. We are not meant to be by ourselves, we are communal creatures, we are created that way. We've got why God created man and woman because he wanted us to be together and wanted to be social. So, my suggestion would be start traveling to some of these parishes in the neighboring states, stay in the southeast first. The quality of life is better, culture's better, your cost of living is gonna be lower, you're gonna be able to find a better house, especially if you can work remote. So stay in the southeast, anywhere from Kentucky South. But start visiting some of these parishes. Like in Georgia, you've got St. Francis de Sales and Mapleton. The problem there is it's with every other Latin Mass, people come from everywhere to get there. You have the SSPX up in Roswell, up in northern Georgia, and Birmingham, you know, you've got our DOS in Latin Mass downtown. It's in the murder capital of the nation, though. So but up north in Huntsville, Our Lady Help of Christians is a fantastic, it's in a great little area, but it's a small parish, and they have four masses on Sundays because that's the only way they can fit everybody that goes there. And then we have a monastic Latin Mass in Coleman, which is halfway between Birmingham and Huntsville, Christ the King monastery there. And but then you get to Mississippi, there's nothing, there's no Latin Masses. You have to basically live close to New Orleans to be able to find a Latin Mass. I don't even think Memphis has anything, which is on the border basically of Mississippi and Tennessee. So, but have a reason for where you go somewhere, but also if it if it's family, be near family if you can. Yeah, up in northern Kentucky, you've got what Walton, where the priory for the SSPX is and like if you don't like the SSPX, get over it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:47:41

I was just gonna say if you like the TLM but don't like the SSPX, it's probably time to get past that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:47

The whole reason we still have the TLM is because of the SSPX. And you're starting to see it with younger fraternity priests too, was they do not have the inclination to the SSPX hatred like the the older priests do. And the reason because they see the writing on the wall, they see, hey, we've been uh we've been in order for 30 years and we still don't have a bishop that was promised to us, and then they see Rome is about to get rid of Opus Day and get rid of their personal prelature, right? They're gonna have to be under the ordinary of whatever diocese they're in now. Like they're starting to see the writing on the wall, and they're like, hey, maybe Lefebvre's right, and he was, but you know, northern Kentucky's great. You've got Lexington to Lexington, which has a fraternity parish there, and an old mission church. You've got in Louisville, you can live in in Indiana as well and go to Louisville.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:37

Forget which parish Enoch goes to.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:40

He goes to uh St. Francis de Sales in Lexington, it's right outside of Georgetown. But in Louisville, you got St. Martin of Tours, which is a beautiful parish. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:54

So I wonder if we uh we probably met him.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:57

Yeah, we probably did then. Callum goes there, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:03

That priest was the priest was a badass.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:06

Well, I didn't say I didn't get to stay long because I had to get out. So I didn't get to stay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:10

Did you go to mass that day?

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:11

I went to mass, but I had to leave like right. Me and me and St. Longenus. I believe. I don't want to use his real name. Yeah, yeah. We had to get on the boat.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:20

You saw that he was an amputee, right? No, I did not see that. Yeah, he was he he was a leg? Yeah, leg. Yeah, he had a blade on. Did he really?

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:34

I'm pretty sure. Did you ever see that that Cat Williams skit about Tink Tink?

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:43

Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:44

About the about the marathon or the sprinter that he has two blades on and people are mad that because he they felt like he had an advantage.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:52

I mean, I know who you're talking about, but I don't think I've seen the skit.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:54

Yeah, they call him old Tink Tink. You should watch it. If you ever get a chance, you should watch it. Cat Williams, Tink Tink, okay. But yeah, just have a reason for where you're moving somewhere. You know, whatever it is. And just make sure you have a good community. But stay in the southeast because the culture's a whole lot better down here.

SPEAKER_04: 1:50:22

I see Ecuadors shooting MLRS at uh some cartel in Colombia.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:30

I'm still waiting for us to make landfall in Venezuela. I agree 100% with this. It's just two circles over top of each other.

SPEAKER_04: 1:50:53

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:55

Older FSSPR FUDs. And I mean, if we want to bring Father Jackson in this, that really brings the bell curve down. Well, you know, everybody's got their issues.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:12

Not issues like that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:14

Man, have you seen the ones with the like the Orthodox priests, like some of the issues they've had? Uh-huh. Man, they've got just as bad as a problem as the Catholic Church does.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:23

I do believe that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:25

I do believe that. That you know, that's a big reason a lot of the Indian priests have to go back to India. Because they were they don't have they can't be trusted around women, we'll say they have an issue with space. So you if you have a if you're in a diocese with a bunch of Indian priests, you probably see them switch out real fast, like out of nowhere, they're gone. It's because they've had an altercation, more than likely.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:48

And if it's African priests, it's just because they literally have a wife or two back home.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:54

Yeah. They're a jovial polyamorous folk.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:00

Polygamous folk.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:02

No, they're polyamorous. Or Miami. Or Miami.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:09

We could read we can invade uh I'd say Cuba, but their cigars aren't even all that good anymore. No, no, okay, but okay, we could invade Nicaragua, get their cigars, we could invade the Dominican Republic, get their cigars.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:23

Yeah. We can invade Brazil. What will we get there? Everything. Everything.

unknown: 1:52:31

What?

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:32

Do you know how many look? We have a bunch of Gen Z that need wives, and a bunch of Brazilians want American citizenship.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:39

Okay, do you want a bunch of dead Gen Z males because their crazy Latino Brazilian wife murdered them? Because that's how you get a bunch of dead Gen Z males.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:48

But then you'll have a bunch of like when those Gen Z males that make it through 20 years of marriage are gonna be the toughest men alive.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:53

That's true.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:54

Okay, that's true.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:57

And the half Latino kids that they produce, that's males.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:01

That Latino women is the Marine Corps' biggest kryptonite. That's why a lot of Marines, a lot of the units in out in San Diego banned their Marines from going to Tijuana. Probably smart. Yeah, absolutely. All right, guys, we're gonna cut it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:22

We're yeah, once we get off under the weed like that, it's time to go.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:25

Yeah, we we we just need to realize where we're at in the conversation.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:28

We probably should have realized that right before we played the guy shooting himself in the testicles. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:35

Well, the good thing is you can upload that when we find. But um, but uh join the telegram, right? Get in the community. We've got a networking channel as well, so you can find people near you so you can get together and do some training together. We said we got like a bunch of guys from Texas. I'm trying to get all together to get them to go do something. But we got the competition going till the end of the month. But get in there, talk to some guys, ask questions. That's what it's all about. We're no one there's there's no dumb qu well, there are dumb questions.

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:06

There's some really dumb questions sometimes, but we'll still answer it though.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:09

We will make fun of you, but you know, we're basically helping you develop your level four skin.

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:14

So I I did make a rumble. I forget why I couldn't attach it to this yet. I'll figure that out. There is a rumble out there, I just need to attach it to the accountant here, so that will happen eventually.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:30

I'm surprised you didn't catch my my faux pas there. What? Helping people develop their level four skin. After I said it, I immediately regretted it. I was like, oh Marking had the clip. Okay. Alright, guys. We'll let y'all we'll see y'all next week. And if y'all want, if you y'all have a topic y'all want us to go over, comment in the on the send it in the comments, and I'll see what I can do.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:04

Since we already showed firearms a couple times and got kicked, we might as well do this as the outro. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:14

Okay, okay, I'm dropping it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55:16

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