Lying, Stealing, Killing in a Crisis: What's a Catholic Allowed to Do?

A blackout is scary. A blackout that lasts is a moral crisis. We start with real-life chaos, family health scares, and the kind of week that reminds you how thin “normal” can be, then we pivot into a harder question: if the grid goes down and the rule of law becomes unreliable, what are you actually allowed to do as a Catholic to keep your family alive?

We pressure-test collapse scenarios pulled from One Second After and from common SHTF planning fears: empty houses stocked with food, neighbors getting robbed, and critical infrastructure like water access being targeted. Then we bring in Catholic moral theology and the Summa Theologiae to talk about private property, stewardship, “stealing” under grave necessity, and what the common good really demands when everyone is hungry. This is preparedness with a conscience, not just a checklist.

From there we move into community resilience and prudence: when sharing surplus builds trust, when it paints a target, and how “social equity” with neighbors can matter more than another piece of gear. We also cover self-defense ethics, unjust aggressor principles, and proportional force, because defending life and defending essential property are not the same conversation, but both show up fast when institutions fail.

If you care about Catholic ethics, survival decisions, self-defense boundaries, and grid-down preparedness, this one is for you. Subscribe, share it with a friend who’s thinking about preparedness, and leave a review, then tell us: what moral line do you think would be hardest to hold?

Transcript

Wives In The ER

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Well, I guess we'll see if anyone actually comes to watch the show tonight. We'll see. Someone, someone's here.

SPEAKER_06 0:51

This is a this is a weird night for us. We we might not get the normal guys showing up very much.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Yeah, and it's been what a wee been a week. Almost it's been two weeks. Two weeks, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01

It's been so last week we're about an hour before going on, about an hour and a half. I had to take my wife to the ER. She's been having some issues with just like random muscle pains in her back, and it affected her ability to swallow. And so we don't know what it was. They had her on some muscle relaxer and stuff, but she's getting better, which is good. That is good. But it's it was it's one of those things where you know, especially my wife, because she's a stay-at-home mom, having to deal with the kids all day, right? And they're crazy as they are, and yeah, she just doesn't. I don't think she realized I think at the beginning of it anyway, I don't think she realized how much that was going to impede her. So I get home and I'm trying to help out as much as I can, you know. By the time I get home, I'm home in time for dinner, hang out with the kids, the family for a while, do our rosary, and they go to bed. But it's uh yeah, but I got this. I got this at the Creed concert two years ago. It was actually one of the last shows that what's his name from Three Doors Down did before he had to step down because he had cancer and now he's passed away and got a rest of his salt. Well, I yes, they are, Paul. So my wife is a nurse by trade. I put her through school, put her through nursing school when I was in the Marines. And when I got out of the Marines and I was a firefighter for a little bit, she was an ER nurse, and I thought we'd always be a dual-income household. And it wasn't until my current profession that I was able to get her, you know, bring her home because she wanted to, she wanted to homeschool and all that. But man, it is like when you align yourself with the order that God has laid out for you, the blessings you receive from that and the grace you receive from that, by allowing her to not have to work all day and then come home and work some more, right? It allows the the unity of the house to be much better because you know, I tell her, I tell her this all the time she is the heart of the house. And I need to keep that heart healthy. So I try and take all the other stress and everything off of her that I can and just let her run the house. And it the kids do well, you know. Just but it is, you know, things get thrown at you at life, and sometimes you have to roll with the punches, and sometimes you gotta step in as dad and use dad voice, and you know, how that goes.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Yeah, you had to take your wife to the ER last Monday, and I had to take mine to the ER last Friday.

Politics And ATF Friction

SPEAKER_06 3:43

Yeah. It's been yeah, it's been a wild few days, and I feel like so much has happened that I don't I don't even know where we would even start on some of this stuff. I saw that the Senate voted yesterday to not restrict Trump from military action in Cuba. Which right, which I mean, that's Monroe Doctrine 2.0.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Right.

SPEAKER_06 4:11

So, and then you know what else has gone on? We've got the uh well, we have all the ETF rules, yeah. That popped out a couple hours ago, yeah, about things that they're trying to put through. So we'll see if any of that actually happens because this this administration has not been very friendly to gun owners, regardless of what they told us they were gonna do while campaigning, right? You know, because the ATF was still going after guys for the pistol brace even after they lost that case. So we'll see how that shakes out. But yeah, sorry that this is a abnormal night for us, just because this is the only day this week I could do it. Monday night we had something going on at church, Tuesday night. Y'all have y'all stream, which I finished it today on the way to work. So I listened to it this morning when I'm doing stuff around the farm, and then I finished it on the way to work. I feel like it was shotgunned, it's kind of like all over the place for a while. It was. He was trying to keep it on topic for a little bit, but I feel like he had Anthony has like a thousand ideas and things going in his head, and he's trying to like collate it to where we can all understand the chaos that's going on in there.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

He had just read a book over the weekend, and like I hadn't read it, so I didn't know.

End Times Talk And Local Duty

SPEAKER_06 5:33

Like, I I couldn't try to focus him because I didn't know what was in the book, and that's hard to do, and like you push back on it a little bit on him, but I think y'all are talking past each other a little bit, um, you know, and and like you were both getting kind of a little defensive. And I was like, like, and that's what I that was like, man, these guys are tired. They need to go to bed, they're done, they just need to go to bed before this turns into something shit. But I don't like I I've been thinking about what Anthony's been really going on the past little bit, and I think he's starting to evolve into a position to how to put this. I think he's evolving away from so much that you know, like the end is near kind of thing. It's more like he's starting to get a little bit more on board with hey, what happened during COVID was a type of what's to come, which you know, I think you and I are on the same pages with that. I just think there are some things that have to happen before the Antichrist comes, and not only that, but like who he'd have to come out of nowhere because there's nobody on the stage right now that everyone loves, no, right? There's no one even close to that, other than Keanu Reeves, right? But I just uh he'd he'd have to come out of nowhere in order to fool everyone, and there's no one out there right now at all. We're way too divided for that in every aspect of life, but I think I think he's starting to put a coherent theory together, and it's it's a little rough right now, but uh but I also know there's some hesitancy to take anything that Ticonius says because he was a Donatist, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Which kind of he was a Donatist that was excommunicated by the Donatist, right?

SPEAKER_06 7:32

That's a failure of first principles type of thing. Like if you can't get that right first, like how is that shading everything else, do you think? Yeah, right, especially when it comes to the Pope and things like that, right? The hierarchy. So it just it but the other side of it is that Tertullian's considered a church father, and he was a heretic.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

He was a heretic origin, yeah, origin.

SPEAKER_06 7:57

So I don't know. Well, I I think the best we can do is influence our inner circle, the our immediate influence capabilities, our family, our family, our friends that we see regularly, and then out from there, our influential talkers go out to like a parish, maybe some people at work, right? But other than that, we cannot get wrapped around the axle on politics too much. Because to be honest with you, we can't do anything about it. They they as we found out in 2020, it doesn't matter who votes, it matter who counts the votes, and that can always be done again because nothing has been corrected since 2020. Nothing. Um, so that's that's a albatross that will always be out there, never be able to get rid of till we get to such a bad point that people realize voting doesn't do anything, and that's when the strongman runs. Trump's not that strong man, he's shown that he's compromised, obviously. 100% so who's gonna be after that, right? Is it gonna be Greg Bovino? Maybe could be. I don't know, maybe it's not JD Vance.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

I know that. Bovino. That sounds Italian, it better not be an Italian.

Movies, TV, And Gun Talk

SPEAKER_06 9:14

It probably is, it's probably Sicilian, and that's why it ends with a vowel. Oh everything I know about Italians, I learned from the Sopranos.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

I have never watched the show.

SPEAKER_06 9:27

No man, it is good.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

It is I know everyone, everyone is like, it's the best show ever. And you know, I asked Anthony, like, does it hold up? Like, is it really the best show ever? He goes, It really is, but I can't recommend you watch it at this point.

SPEAKER_06 9:41

Yeah, if you haven't watched it by now, don't watch it. You don't want to it's not a professional for, right? Exactly. At all. There's too much the the sex scenes is really what the issue is. Yeah, HBO. Yeah, I'll tell you another good show is The Shield.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

I've yeah, I've never watched it, but I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_06 10:04

It's a fantastic show, and the end of it is it's it was a cherry on top how they ended it. Um, but yeah, that's another fantastic show.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Um, you know what? You know what we should do for an episode one time? Guns and movies. Like what movies get guns right, what movies get guns wrong.

SPEAKER_06 10:24

Number one, we have to watch is Heat. Yes, number two is Way of the Gun. Have you seen that one? I have not. That's that one's a and then we can watch okay, Paul.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Paul's a little excited. Three separate yeses. I'm sure Paul will give us some suggestions.

SPEAKER_06 10:51

We'd have to do it on something else because we couldn't do it on here.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

Yeah, well, it for two reasons one the guns, yeah, and two the copyrights. Yeah, so we would do it on like Twitter, and then we would release the recording on YouTube and get past all that stuff.

SPEAKER_06 11:05

Yeah, that that's how we'd have to do it.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

That that'd be a fun series to do, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:12

And we could watch some like I don't know. Did you ever watch Angel Studios? Does it, which don't shoot me, is and they just came out with a movie about it, and they did a series afterwards, and it's about like a collapse.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Oh, not home is it Homelander? No, that's the that's the guy from the boys. Home front? Home front. Is it home front?

SPEAKER_06 11:36

Yeah, well, there was a game back in the day called Home Front, so that's what I don't wanted. Yeah, and and of course, the white supremacists were the bad guys, of course. The Christian white supremacists were the bad guys.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

Have you heard how badly Angel Studios screwed up Animal Farm?

SPEAKER_06 11:49

I mean, I just saw the trailer, and the trailer didn't look good.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Well, so you know how animal farm's all about communism and how bad communism is? Yeah, they did that, except about capitalism. I know why Angel Studios would do that. I Mormons, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 12:10

Yeah, I'm not surprised whatsoever.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

That woman looking at the computer meme is from.

P90 Plans And Ammo Costs

SPEAKER_06 12:22

What do you mean I'm indicted? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

On Friday, I get to go pick up my uh P90.

SPEAKER_06 12:33

You're gonna put an FRT in it? I can't in Minnesota. Oh, you can't? You gotta move. You gotta move. We'll see.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Because you're right, I do want an FRT in it, obviously.

SPEAKER_06 12:48

It's worth it. It's worth it. I mean, for an FRT.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

That and I I should, it's got the 16-inch barrel. I should put in the short barrel, you know, and SBR the thing.

SPEAKER_06 12:59

Yeah, that'd be yeah, that'd be awesome. It's used 5.7, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be expensive. Like a 50 50-round drone, 50-round mag of 5-7. They uh we had a gun store here, he tried to sell me on a Celtec that shoots 5.7. He's like, All the ranchers love it. I'm like, bro, there ain't no rancher shooting anything with a five. They're not shooting anything out.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

I could see 5.7 out of a 16-inch barrel taking a coyote.

SPEAKER_06 13:32

Close enough, maybe. Yeah, like if you're within like 50-75 yards, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

I don't know. I honestly just got the gun because I'm a big fan of Stargate.

SPEAKER_06 13:42

Yeah, I get it. I get it, but you gotta FRT it if you're a real Stargate fan. Yeah, you got to maybe the ATF will do something with the FRTs. I don't know. Maybe I keep I keep thinking about getting an FRT. Then I think then I remember I can't afford that much ammo. And maybe if it was like in a 22, I could, right? But I'd blow through a thousand rounds of 22 in 30 seconds, man. I mean, that's 80 bucks.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

Because they do make the 22 crank action gatling gun.

SPEAKER_06 14:19

If you get the uh the Taurus 22 pistol and put that FR, that thing's selling crazy. You can't even find them anywhere because they're selling out so fast.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

I I well I was about to say I can't buy Taurus on principle, but then I remember I have a Taurus and 500 Smith and Weston in the safe, so I can't say that.

Security Failures After Assassination Attempt

SPEAKER_06 14:37

You did send me a picture of a judge, though. I did because I wanted you to call it gay, and you did. That's in I don't know, what do we go with? Oh no. Oh man. All right, what else has happened since we last had a show? I feel like a lot has happened. Well, the assassination attempt. I mean, come on. That might as well have been firecrackers in the lobby.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

I know, but we gotta see we we gotta see a hollow sun on a secret service gun. We gotta see an MP7 out of a uh that justified my backpacks full of PDWs right there.

SPEAKER_06 15:24

Do you think that agent with the holo sun on it? That was his personal weapon, is that the only thing he could afford?

SPEAKER_02 15:33

I don't I mean, I I have a hard time believing they couldn't afford more. Seeing as the watches we've seen on these these guys from that two.

SPEAKER_06 15:44

He's probably on like he's probably he's probably on like his third marriage. He's got alimony on the other two.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

It's it's the picture of the woman holding the gun.

SPEAKER_06 15:52

That's the hey, all right. She's probably on her third marriage to a third woman. She's probably got alimony.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

You're right. Yeah, hold on, Paul. I'll find you the pick real quick. We'll look at the pic. It was the the picture I did um of the uh this one here.

SPEAKER_06 16:11

I saw everybody wanting to get the was it the crop or scissors backpack. Yeah. Is that what it was? Yeah, it was a crap. Talk about overpaying for a backpack. Where have you been? You are aware we have a president that they keep trying to shoot, right? Like you're at least on that level.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Here we go. That's a Hollis on EPS, right? EPS carry.

SPEAKER_06 16:48

Man, EPS carries a good. I thought we were talking about like a rifle or something.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

No, no, no. I I agree. I I have a couple of them.

SPEAKER_06 16:55

Yeah, that's a great optic. Like that for the money, that's that's bang up. EPS carry is great. But I thought we were talking about like a Hollis, like a is the T cup. Look, I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt that she just drew it and she's yelling, so she hasn't quite got her hands together.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Is it ready to shoot? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:13

But look at her. She probably can't shoot anyway. No. No. No, it's probably not happening. I think the thing that shocked me the most, especially during the put the Butler one, the Butler attempt, was when the women couldn't get Trump up off the ground. I was like, what are we doing here? Like, if they can't get him up, like for instance, I used to when I used to work at for the fire department, we had a female firefighter that was, I mean, to be honest with you, she was a good person, right? But a good person doesn't mean you're a good firefighter. But she always told you that she cannot lift you out of a building. But she said she would she would blatantly say, if you're in a building and you're we're you're about to burn to death, she's like, and I'm there with you, we're just gonna lay down and die together.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

But I was like, I don't know if that's comforting or not. I really don't want to die next to you. You just leave the building, just leave me there alone.

SPEAKER_06 18:23

Yeah. That's like that. What does that mean? Like, if anybody, if I ever if a robber ever comes to my house and shoots me with a torch judge, just just tell him they raped me to death instead. Yeah. Yeah, that whole thing, what was that Saturday that happened? Yeah. Not I think that some of the security issues there were one, that guy got a room the day before, and he was seen bringing guns into the hotel. Aren't they in DC? Aren't like guns are illegal.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

Was he actually seen bringing them in?

SPEAKER_06 19:04

Yeah, he was seen bringing firearms into the building. And then all he did was Naruto run up there.

SPEAKER_04 19:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:14

Man, so it's almost like they put the most incompetent people around him at the most advantaged times in order to let something happen.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

This was so this this guy was on the counter assault team, and he's and apparently they have a special tutor counter assault team unit watch that uncustom is six thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_06 19:49

I hope I hope they didn't pay for that. Put that on karna.

Gear, Watches, And Kids Breaking Things

SPEAKER_02 19:54

I wouldn't PayPal paying for that. Yeah. Like the watch companies, you know, will give them just to be able to say that maybe so-and-so wears their watches.

SPEAKER_06 20:13

Like my my community in the Marine Corps, we're trying to get Sangan watches to make us one. They said they will, so we're just waiting for them to put it out so we can buy it. But it's but it's like 800 bucks. I'm and I'm like, well, if I almost spent 800 bucks on that, 800 bucks on a watch. That you know, I have kids, right? They're gonna break that. So yeah, so we can do an 800 watch.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

I bought that that stupid wason watch before it turned out, before everyone realized he was a big old Zionist. So Maddie wanted decided a few a week or two ago he wanted to start wearing watches like me. So I'm like, I'll just give him the wason watch. It stopped taking within 30 minutes of giving it to my son.

SPEAKER_06 20:56

Yeah, I have an old Seiko watch that my great uncle had. He gave it to me right before he died, and so that was 30 years ago, yeah. And I'm holding on to it for my son to give to him when he's like 18. Yeah, to give it to him, but yeah, I mean, like, I can't. I got my son Casio G Shock, and he broke that thing in a year.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Oh, Casio, he broke it. Casio G Shock.

SPEAKER_06 21:21

I ran over a Casio G Shock with a Humvee and it did nothing. My son broke his in a year. That's impressive. Yeah, it is. Never underestimate the boredom of a eight-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

Indeed.

SPEAKER_06 21:38

Should we get to the subject or we get to it in a minute? Oh, and you know what? We need to play that video I put in the notes. You might have to change the Owen Benjamin one? The what? The Owen Benjamin appendix carry. We'll get we'll get that one afterwards. Let's do the other one. Which other one?

SPEAKER_02 22:04

There are links for the not the links. It should be an actual video posted in it. The yeah, yeah, the long, long, the long shots. Yep. Okay, hold on. I gotta somehow view this on YouTube.

SPEAKER_06 22:27

Yeah, I don't I didn't know how the best way to put that in so we can put it on here.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

Um Bobby sent me that same video, too. Actually, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:42

Look, we at least need a topic to go to when we run through everything else. And plus, I did research. Why would I waste that time that I did on research? I do have to say I'm a little jealous of Anthony that he has time to read books.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Right.

SPEAKER_06 23:01

Like every time I try to work involved, gets involved, or my kid wanna play, and I'm like, well, guess I'm not reading. Check and plant affiliate codes? Oh, we shouldn't have no other data to talk about. Is this like a purple drink thing? How old is this video? I'm more shocked. That is true. Like he just is in the truck a lot during the day. Which, I mean, I can't hate on him for it. Chicken lamp affiliate codes. What is a chicken lamp affiliate code? Is that like something new the influencers are trying to peddle? I have no idea what's going on right here.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Chicken lamp is weevils, is eggs. Get it forever.

SPEAKER_06 24:05

Y'all are gonna enjoy this. Y'all gonna enjoy this. I sent this to Rob the other day. This one, right? Well, that's one of them, yeah. I love that. That camera angle, like I'd be scared to death. I would shoot my camera. Scared to death. Let's do the uh let's do the theater kid one now. That's the Owen Benjamin one. No, no. Did it not post in there? It's an impeg it's in there in an MPEG. I wonder if I can open it. Oh, this is in the notes? Yeah, it's in the notes. It's right after Low and Benjamin. There's an there's an MPEG in there. No, there's not, man. It's not shown for you? No, not at all. Let me see. I have the own Benjamin one. Let me send it to you on Telegram. Okay, yeah, I'm gonna send it to you in Telegram. There we are. I just saw the one that the kung fu and that I had taffy made for you. That's classic. All right, it's in there right now. So when I'm in between meetings and stuff, all I do is like I'll finish admin, whatever I'm doing, and then I'll just scroll Instagram for like 10 minutes and just see that. In fact, last the one of my favorite things to do at night is to lay in bed with my wife and go through Instagram stuff with her, and she realizes like your her feet, my feed is way different than yours.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

I have turned my wife's feet into my feed.

SPEAKER_06 26:06

No, no, I've turned your wife's feet into your feed.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

No, you've turned my wife's feet into your feed, which is also my feed.

SPEAKER_06 26:17

Did it send? It's finishing up. Like it went through like the first half super quick, and then it just like delays the rest of the time.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

We're just lucky it didn't kill the your internet's streaming.

SPEAKER_06 26:31

That is true.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

There goes it's in. There we go. You got it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember this one though.

SPEAKER_06 26:41

Guys, you know, when you've lost the theater kids, it's over.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Though, I mean, you know, mustache man kind of was a theater kid.

SPEAKER_06 26:55

He he was well, he was definitely an artist.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

Make sure we got sound two hundred seventy-four thousand six hundred at most. Two hundred seventy-four thousand. That's all that there was. Two hundred seventy-four thousand six hundred at most. How do you measure measure line in guilt trips, in money, in diamonds, and news owned by Jews, in records, in twelve? It's two hundred seventy-four thousand six hundred at most. How do you measure a humongous line? How about that was good?

Viral Clips Then Parenting Reality

SPEAKER_06 27:49

That's when I saw it, I was laughing so hard I was crying.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Oh my gosh. Pop poll, your kid is 18, graduating, screws the pooch, and is in hand, excellent opportunity, and lies to you about it. What do you do? Does he get the car to leave the house, pat on a head, and wave goodbye?

SPEAKER_04 28:10

Hmm.

SPEAKER_06 28:11

Look, so when I turned 18, I was a lazy piece of crap. And my dad had kicked me out, right? And when my dad kicked me out, I had to go find a job because I had to find somewhere to live. I was I had a 1990 Geo Metro. I was not living in that thing, right? It was a roller skate on wheels with a cover on it. That's really all it was. So I I had to force myself to go out, and in fact, I got two jobs to afford rent. And this was back when rent, like rent in a downtown major city, was like 600 bucks a month. This was 26 years ago, right? But I also tell you that that my dad kicking me out and me no longer being under his house improved our relationship immensely, right? But the other thing is as well, is our kids have to choose their own path because they're responsible for their life. Yeah, and all you can do is give them the foundation and the morals, and hopefully you've developed enough prudence in them that they can at least pick the best answer 50% of the time. Right? Because life is going to have to teach them the experience of when decisions are bad. And I, you know, any of us thereafter older than 30 realize like all the dumb stuff we did between 20 and 30. Or the stupid, thank God there was not any camera phones when I was in my teens. Because I would be unemployable right now.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

I was way more way less controversial as a high schooler than I am now.

SPEAKER_06 29:57

I was not. In fact, I only got worse until I got married. And then I started to tone it down. I needed I needed that woman's touch to kind of soften the edges. But yeah, I used to y'all want to know some I used to have some horrible, edgy things to say before I got married. Y'all, do y'all remember dead baby jokes? I had dozens of them. Yep. Dozens, right? That's how horrible of a person I was. I thought that was funny. Right? So the theater kids are the little arts major. Yeah. I mean, little arts majors are usually theater kids.

unknown 30:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Like if you baby jokes, man, that's that takes me back.

EMP Fiction And The Moral Problem

Three Scenarios For Collapse Ethics

SPEAKER_06 30:54

Yeah. I I'm I'm in a position now where I think a good Catholic can't join the military anymore. Not because the situations they're gonna put you in, but because of the debauchery that you're just drowning in the entire time you're there. It's it is hard not to get sucked up in that stuff, even the the best kids. And unfortunately, I had I was responsible for corrupting a few kids when they came in, and I regret that immensely, but yeah, it's it's a situation where like unless you have to, unless you don't have any other choice, and you know, it's really not a good option anymore. All right, all right, we've talked for 30 minutes on a bunch of garbage. So let's get into the topic. So I wanted to bring this up because I I had read a book a while ago called The Second After, One Second After by William Fortune. And there was a couple of situations in it, but for those of y'all that haven't read the book, it's about an EMP goes off on the Eastern Seaboard. That's all you know, right? EMP goes off on the Eastern Seaboard, all electricity is gone, and it's about Asheville, North Carolina, and how they survive it without any electronics or anything. And one of the protagonists in the story eventually comes to a point where there's someone who's looting and robbing in the city, and so they capture him, and then the decision is well, what do we do? Like, we can't afford the manpower for someone to watch him the whole time. Then they make the decision was like, Well, we can't let him keep going around because eventually he's gonna hurt somebody. So, for the good of the community, and because they couldn't spare the manpower, they had to execute him, right? So then that made me think it's like, is that right? Like, should or should we expend the manpower to watch this guy every day for the till he dies? It's the name of One Second After by William Fortune. William Fortune is a professor in North Carolina. He was on the EMP commission with Newt Gingrich, and he's the reason that we that we've been trying to well say not we, me, but like people in the government have been trying to push to fortify the electrical grid against EMP attacks. But so he he's written a few books. He did one second after, I think he did one year after, after, or one month after, and then one year after, something like that. It's kind of like the 28 days later, yeah, right thing, you know, 20 days later, then 28 months later, then 28 years later. But so we get into those those conundrums, like what do we do? Right, because if you're having to have men that are constantly on a cycle of watching this one guy, right? That's removing resources for guys to be able to help farm or pull security around other places or whatever, right? Right, and so then it you know it's a moral conundrum. Like, what do we do? Like, is that the right decision? Is that something we can live with as Catholics, right? To be able to make that decision, is you know, or is there a better option? And that was really the impetus we're wanting to do because we might get to a point where we get where the rule of law is where the rule of law is sporadically it enforced, and what do we do if that happens? If we if you live out in the country and you all you've got is sheriff deputies, and you've got 40 sheriff deputies to cover an entire county. When you call 911, no one's coming, right? So, what do we do? Right? So, that was really the the reason I wanted to do the show. Is just kind of us, I don't have the answers, right? I want to talk these things through a known caller, and so we can kind of start thinking about these things that way. If it comes up, the first time you think about it, isn't when it comes up, or you've kind of put some thought into it beforehand of like what would we do? What is the best answer? We have some guidance, right? And we're gonna go through some of that uh tonight and what that guidance is, but sometimes there it's gonna be in the gray outside of that guidance on on the situation. So, how do we best shape our our morals and our our thoughts on the best option to do that's for the good of everyone and the good of the people that may be coming against you as well? And sometimes the good of the people coming against you is to execute them, right? That's justice demands it sometimes. Okay, so let's uh let's see what we got. I'm gonna go over some of these questions real quick. I mean, you could like that's where we get hit after an eye, right? We could cut off the hand, right? Or we could do the inglorious bastards and put like a T into his forehead, you know, or something so everybody knows when they see him, he's a thief. You do something like that, right? But then he's now he's been ostracized at that point, and now he's much more dangerous because he's got nothing to lose. So can you then still let him go? Right? Let's see. What if a guy's pulling security for a neighborhood when and they have to judge criminal cases? I mean, at that point you're at self-defense, right? Like there's no you just have to do what you do. Let's see one hand, one foot to cut off two feet so he can't run. There we go. Uh exactly, Ocean. You're just here to rage bait, and I respect that. All right, so the first one I'm gonna so I'm gonna give you all some scenarios first, and then we're gonna kind of go through like what the sumo says. So these were done off the cuff earlier when I was had time uh to kind of come up with these. I'm gonna give you these three, and then we're gonna start going through what the church teaches on the stuff, and we'll we'll talk it through. First one is the electrical infrastructure collapses due to attacks on substations that you you don't have an ability to repair them. Your family is on the verge of running out of food. You live in a suburb, and most of the families have abandoned their homes. Your neighborhood is about a quarter still occupied, and other families have begun to loot empty homes. You have two homes next to you that may or not may not still be occupied, but you do know they had a large amount of food and other staples from their weekly Costco shopping runs prior to the collapse, right? So that's a situation where you have to determine is it okay to go there and take something of someone else's? Right? What if they're just out and you know, scavenging or whatever? Right? Is it moral to take what they have? Right? So that's the first situation. I'm gonna go through all three situations and we'll talk through them. Uh, second one is after procuring food and other staples from the two homes next to you, you have a neighbor from across the neighborhood who you have known for a few years who comes about to tell you that there has been reports of outside people coming into the neighborhood and robbing people of their food. No one has been hurt yet, but they have been armed with a couple firearms and some baseball bats and machetes. A few days later, you're putting the family to bed and you hear some loud crash noises coming from the house next door. You go to the window and look out and see multiple people going in and out of the house with flashlights and weapons, carrying items from the house into a truck, parked four or five houses down. You notice two of them as they come back from the truck, point to your house and start to walk towards your home. Okay. And then this last one, it's been a few weeks since you repelled the robbers from the neighborhood. And where you're out and you're scrounging patrols for more supplies, you notice some attempts of destruction have been made against the water tower near your neighborhood. The fence has been broken into, and you see multiple scorched marks and dents in the pillars holding up the water tower. This water tower is providing running water to your neighborhood through gravity. You decide it'll be a good idea to patrol more often, buy it, check on it, and make sure no one comes back to destroy it. Right? So then we get into the the idea of is it moral to hurt someone or kill someone who's destroying property? Right, and so we'll we'll get through some of that when we go through it through through the sumo and some other things. So the first one we're gonna go with let's get into stealing. So I'm gonna pull it up and I'll share my screen.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Do we want to talk over the situations now and then go yeah? Let's so let's talk about that principles, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 40:01

So let's do that. Let's uh so the first one, right? Is it moral, is it licit to raid someone else's home for remaining food that may be there, even if they may still be there and just not home, right? So what what actions do we need to take to make sure that we're not taking from someone who needs it? Right, right. So, my opinion, I'll say mine first. Yes, I mean you if you need if you're if your children and your family are on the verge of running out of food and they'll be starving to you know, because you can go 21 days without food and not before you die, right? But you're gonna be miserable within about four days. Yeah, you're not gonna have the energy to do a lot, and you may never recover if you don't get a good amount of food back in you. And it may take you days after getting food to to recover to a semi-normal state. It takes a little bit. If any of y'all have ever watched alone, the series on the history channel, if they don't have protein, they they push the button, they're out. Like if they if they go without a couple of days without protein, they have no energy whatsoever, and they just they can't continue.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

And fats like even if you have protein, if you don't have fat, your your body will still eat itself to get that.

SPEAKER_06 41:26

Yep. So in that instance, say you've got a couple houses in in a say you're in a cul-de-sac, and you've got a couple houses around you, and you know at least one of them is empty, right? You go to that one first. Yeah, you go look to see what they have, right? And you procure whatever you need. If you decide to stay in your house, and you go to that house and you look at what's they have, the other one that you may or may not know is empty, you may want to watch it for a few days just to make sure because they may they may have been gone for a couple days to get a family member that was trapped somewhere and they brought them back, right? Because keep in mind if the electrical grid's up and down, no one's getting fuel because all the gas pumps are run out of electricity. Yeah, it doesn't matter about payment, payment doesn't matter, right? You can barter all kinds of stuff if you need to, but if they can't physically pump gas into your car, you're you're not getting anything. Not only that, but gas goes bad pretty quickly, especially larger quantities. That's why those tanks are underground to limit the amount of moisture getting in there, but it'll still go bad eventually. So you really need to make sure that you're not taking from someone who needs it as well, right? But then we also get into the idea of like, should you have enough to be able to give away, right? And I didn't bring this up in the in the situations, but you know, if you have the capability to have enough and you have enough to be able to give away to other people, right? That's going to give buy you a lot more equity with people to be able to want to work with you, right? But then you also gotta be careful about that. You gotta be smarter surfants, right? To make sure you're not giving to someone who's then using that to case on you to then come take it themselves, right? So and that is stealing's fine because it's not really stealing, right? You're not taking from someone something that they need because they're not there anymore. That's why you want to make sure the other house is empty before you go into it. What are your thoughts, Rob?

SPEAKER_02 43:26

Yeah, I I agree. For I mean, I've first start with one you with anything you you know to be empty. One, it it's safer, you know, right? You know, you're not going to be confronting someone, and two, that you you like you said, at that point, you're definitely not taking from someone who needs it. But if you do have to uh potentially take from a a house that was recently occupied, or you know might be occupied again, if your family truly needs whatever you're about to take to survive, it's it's not that because. in like situations like this property reverts back to to to the common good right because god created everything on earth for for everyone really right and like that doesn't mean private property doesn't exist but the the end the the the telos of of everything of creation is for us to use it as we need it so in that case what you're taking isn't theft because you're you're you're presuming that the the that person would give it to you and if they didn't then that's really a sin and crime on their part if you if it's something you truly need yeah some dogs are delicious I was gonna say if were you ever stationed over you you were in Okinawa right do they eat dogs there?

SPEAKER_06 45:04

No Japanese people don't eat dogs I know Koreans do yeah Koreans do Chinese people do when you're when you're hungry enough you'll eat anything right so I I I tell my kids all the time because for instance Monday we went to that thing at church yeah and they had dinner for everybody afterwards and they just had pizza and so I'm going upstairs to help my kids through the line to make sure they don't grab too much pizza and my third child decided she got two pieces of pizza and dropped it you know and went on the ground and she's and she's felt bad right but you know I'm not gonna let her eat food that dropped on the ground so guess who ate it I had to eat it. That was my pizza now right but I can because I used to eat food in Afghanistan that had moon dust all in it right if anything's gonna kill me that was gonna kill me right so but you have to so another story my oldest when she was about two she would go through phases of where she'd only eat like one or two foods for like months at a time like for a while it was like hot dogs and string cheese right and then it got to the point with my wife where she would just like give her whatever just to get her to eat something she felt like she's not eating enough so she would just keep giving her like this smorgasbord of food right and I would tell my wife all the time I was like look I need you to leave town for like three days and when you come back we don't have to worry about her being picky anymore. She would never do it but it would have worked it would have worked it would've worked because I've done it with my son there's been times where like he didn't eat dinner I was like all right you're gonna eat it for breakfast and then it comes breakfast time and he doesn't eat okay you're gonna eat it for lunch like it's gonna be there until you eat it you might as well go ahead and eat it let's see what else bro you and everybody else is hunting right like there's gonna be no wild game at all anymore if we get to this point. Depending on where you live for yeah for sure yeah like if you're in like North Dakota you're probably fine you don't have enough population to fill up a stadium right you know but anywhere on the east coast east of the Mississippi it's all gonna be gone we're gonna entire species are gonna be wiped out within six months because people are eating everything at that point there's something else I wanted to say about the food thing was it so yeah I mean you I mean like in the scenario you're in a you're in a neighborhood where there's still a quarter of the people there. Yeah right they're gonna go around looking for stuff if they were start running out right because you don't really want to leave the neighborhood because then you're going out into the unknown you don't know what's going on out there. Right? So that's why it's better to to stay where you're at I'm a bigger fan of bugging in than bugging out.

Hunger Looting And Bugging In

SPEAKER_02 48:15

Ideally if you did your job of of getting to know people and kind of organize before an event like this then ideally with whoever is remaining in your neighborhood you can all collaborate share resources figure out what you all have already what you all as a group need you know gather from the empty houses what the group as a whole needs so on and so forth. Yeah don't worry ocean nobody likes dark meat you'll have deer in your city yard for about 30 days at most and it'll be gone the EMP commission when that was done back in the 90s the one of the facets it it pulled out was they expect within six months 90% of America to be dead right that's not good odds for and and that's not all from starvation right that's from looting robbery you know lack of police you know presence all that stuff right so it's not just a matter of like having enough food it's a matter of do you have a community that can protect each other you know also you know after an event like this the predators will be under a lot less human pressure yeah and the prey will have so the prey will have that added pressure from from natural predators as well as the added pressure from humans hunting them so prey species will will decrease very quickly the predator species will take a little bit longer but eventually once the prey runs out the predators will starve obviously you know the human population will die off largely too to where then then it will you know there will be an an equilibrium a balance will be reached again at some point but yeah yeah did you ever see the movie Alive like the the soccer team that crashed I think it was called live soccer team that crashed in a plane on the mountain I know of it and I know the story but I haven't watched the movie they they got to a point where they didn't have any food and they started having to eat the people that died yeah like the Donna party you know the first thing they went for thighs what the buttons I mean it's gonna be the most tender because you know none of those people are doing squats you know that all right so what about the second scenario right after procuring staples and food you start hearing people are robbing around the neighborhood and you know some starting to come to your house right this is this is a situation where you're gonna have to be willing to hurt someone else to protect yours right because you cannot let them take what you have because that means you're absolutely gonna die.

SPEAKER_06 51:21

Them taking your food is they might as well shoot you in the head. It's the same thing. Yeah right so you you have to do whatever you need to do mentally to be okay with that and then afterwards if you if that's end of what it comes to and you have to hurt them you have to be able to move past it you may need to talk to your spouse or whoever's there like about it and and just kind of use them as your hip pocket therapy but you're gonna have to do what you have to do to protect your family because if they they take the food from your family they might as well kill you.

Aquinas On Property And Need

SPEAKER_02 51:59

Alright and then the last one I love I I love that gun as much as the next guy come on it's 2026. Yeah you want I mean get a get a AR chambered in 308 and it's gonna be a fair amount more accurate too.

SPEAKER_06 52:19

Yeah and then the last one basically is it moral to kill someone over protecting property all right in this one I was not surprised at what the what the sumo says about it but I was I was a little caught off guard about it.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

So let's see the first one we've got so article one question sixty six I'm gonna share my screen okay go for it bring it on the screen there we go oh man that looks super small yeah you have to uh do like can hold control and and scroll and then do the scroll wheel up and that will zoom in.

Sharing Surplus With Prudence

SPEAKER_06 53:26

No plus there you go all right so article one whether it is natural for man to possess external things objection one it would seem that it is not natural for man to possess external things for no man should describe to himself that which is God's now the dominion over all creatures is proper to God according to Psalm 231 the earth is the Lord's therefore it is not natural for men to possess external things. Objection two further Basil is expounding the words of the rich I will gather all things that are grown to me and my goods tell me which are thine where did you take them from and bring them into being now whatever man possesses naturally he confittingly call his own. Therefore man does not naturally possess external things objection three further according to Ambrose dominion denotes power but man has no power over external things since he can work no change in their nature therefore the possession of external things is not natural to man. So we hear this from the Marxists right you don't own anything it belongs to everyone right and these all three objections are in line with that thinking right so Namaste things can be considered in two ways first as regards their nature and this is not subject to the power of man but only to the power of God whose mere will all things obey secondly as regards their use and in this way man has a natural dominion over external things because by his reason and will he is able to use them for his own profit as they were made on his account for the imperfect is always for the sake of the perfect as stated above. It is by this argument that the philosopher proves that the possession of external things is natural to man. Moreover this natural dominion of man over other creatures which is competent to man in respect of his reason wherein God's image resides is shown forth in man's creation by the words let us make man to our image and likeness and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea right so he's basically I'm not gonna read the other replies to the objections he's basically saying it is natural for man to possess things because things were made for man. Right? We are to have dominion over them God gave us the earth to have stewardship over it. Right then if y'all aren't aware this is coming from New Advent y'all don't go to New Advent you're a bad Catholic you should go to New Advent all the time especially when it comes to you know things like the Summa and man reading about the church fathers and if you didn't know this you can buy an offline version of the new advent it's like 20 bucks it's amazing to have so you don't have to have it on a computer all the time and on the internet all the time but yes man has a right to property right but then the line comes at which point does it no longer become only his property because that won't come up okay now we'll get into article two whether it is lawful for a man to possess a thing as his own right it would seem unlawful for a man to possess a thing as his own for whatever is contrary to the natural law is unlawful. Now according to the natural law all things are common property and the possession of property is contrary to this community of goods therefore is unlawful for any man to appropriate any external thing to himself. Objection two further Basil in expounding the words of the rich man quoted above says the rich who deem as their own property the common goods they have seized upon are like to those who by going beforehand to the play prevent others from coming and appropriate to themselves what is intended for common use. Now it would be unlawful to prevent others from obtaining possession of common goods. Therefore it is unlawful to appropriate to oneself what belongs to the community then the third objection further Ambrose and his words are quoted in the decritals I've never seen that word my life let no man call his own that which is common property. And by common he means external things as is clear from the context therefore it seems unlawful for a man to appropriate an external thing to himself. So then he answers Two things are competent to man in respect of exterior things one is the power to procure and dispense them and in this regard it is lawful for man to possess property. Moreover this is necessary to human life for three reasons first because every man is more careful to procure what is for himself alone than that which is common to many or all since each one would shirk the labor and leave to another that which concerns the community as happens where there is a great number of servants secondly because human affairs are conducted in more orderly fashion if each man is charged with taking care of some particular thing himself whereas there would be confusion if everyone had to look after any one thing indeterminately. Thirdly because a more peaceful state is ensured to man if each one is contented with his own hence it is to be observed that the quarrels arise more frequently where there is no division of the thing possessed right so that I immediately thought about kids when I read this earlier. Right so his first objection the first reason is first because every man is more careful to procure what is for himself alone than that which is common to many or to all have y'all ever for those of y'all have kids have y'all ever bought a something that all your kids share and then see how fast it gets broken. Every time right if I give it to one kid and say it's theirs they take care of it. But if it's for everybody it gets broken super quick because nobody cares about it. Right and then the second reason human affairs are conducted in a more orderly fashion if each man is charged with taking care of some particular thing himself whereas there would be confusion if everyone had to look after any one thing eternally it's the same thing with my kids man like for example my son one of his chores is taking care of the dogs right and he has to the we have German shepherds they're out they're outside dogs his job is to water them feed them play with them and all that you know let make sure they're out every day and he does better with that because I've given him responsibility of it but if I say hey someone needs to go take care of the dogs and don't assign someone to do it everyone looks at everyone else. Well you do it I did it last time I did it earlier I did it yesterday right and no one wants to take responsibility for it. Alright then let's go to article four whether theft and robbery are sins of different species objection one it would seem that theft and robbery are not sins of different species for theft and robbery differ as secret and manifest because theft is taking something secretly while robbery is to take something violently and openly now in the other kinds of sins the secret manifest do not differ specifically therefore theft and robbery are not different species of sin. Objection two further moral actions take their species from the end as stated above now theft and robbery are directed to the same end vis a vis the possession of another's property therefore they do not differ specifically objection three further just as a thing is taken by force for the sake of possession so is a woman taken by force for pleasure. Wherefore Isidore says that he who commits a rape is called a corrupter and the victim of the rape is said to be corrupted. Now it is a case of rape whether the woman be carried off publicly or secretly therefore the thing appropriated is said to be taken by force whether it be done secretly or publicly therefore theft and robbery do not differ. So he answers that theft and robbery are vices contrary to justice inasmuch as the one man does another an injustice. Now no man suffers an injustice willingly as stated in ethics verse nine wherefore theft and robbery derive their sinful nature through the taking being involuntary on the part of the person from whom something is taken. Now the involuntary is twofold namely through violence and through ignorance as stated in ethics three therefore the sinful aspect of robbery differs from that of theft consequently they differ specifically so this goes into that second scenario right and then and the reason I'm bringing this up so y'all are aware of uh of the moral corruption that is involved in these specific sins and at what point we can resist them right because yet if you're not aware of the the basis that they're coming from it is harder for you to make prudent decisions on how to react to them okay and then we're gonna do the article seven is the last one on stealing I'm gonna do because we know theft is a moral sin. What is lawful to steal through stress of need I think this was one we all need to hear because we may need to refer to this in the future sometime let me uh wet my palate here all right it would seem unlawful to steal through stress of need for penance is not imposed except on one who has sinned. Now it is stated if anyone through stress of hunger or nakedness steal food, clothing or beast, he shall do penance for three weeks. Therefore it is not lawful to steal through stress of need. Further the philosopher says that there are some actions whose very name implies wickedness and among these he reckons theft. Now that which is wicked in itself may not be done for good end. Therefore a man cannot lawfully steal in order to remedy a need. Further a man should love his neighbor as himself now according to Augustine it is unlawful to steal in order to succour one's neighbor by giving him an alms therefore neither it is lawful to steal in order to remedy one's own needs. He answers that things which are of human right cannot be derogate from natural right or divine right. Now according to the natural order established by divine providence inferior things are ordained for the purpose of succoring man's needs by their means. Wherefore the division and appropriation of things which are based on human law do not preclude the fact that man's needs have to be remedied by means of these very things. Hence whatever certain people have in superabundance is due by natural law to the purpose of succoring the poor. For this reason Ambrose says and his words are embodied in the decretables it is the hungry man's bread that you withhold the naked man's cloak that you store away the money that you bury in the earth is the price of the poor man's ransom and freedom. Since, however, there are many who are in need, while it is impossible for all to be succored by the means of the same thing, each one is entrusted with the stewardship of his own things, so that out of them he may come to the aid of those who are in need. Nevertheless, if the need be so manifest and urgent it is evident that the present need must be remedied by whatever means at hand for instance when a person is in some imminent danger and there is no other possible remedy then it is lawful for a man to succor his own need by means of another's property by taking it either openly or secretly nor is this properly speaking theft or robbery. So this gets into the the issue of if you have enough to be able to give away at what are you owed to give away and at what point do you need to stop and it's no longer your responsibility to give away right and that's there's it's not like oh if you have a hundred barrels of wheat you have to give away down to 95. Like there's no there's not gonna be any black and white on it. Right? You have to make that decision based on what is best for your family and be able to have the opportunity and the ability To give away to people out of what you're able to.

unknown 1:06:05

Right?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:05

Because no one you you cannot be expected to give away specifically like food and water that is going to harm your family because you don't have enough. So for example, with us, I have bags and bags of beans and rice and other things that I have just to give away if I if I need to. I have what we need for our family, right? And then I have other stuff that I've bought. Like I bought like the$20, 50-pound bag of rice, right? It's not it's not non-GMO, it's not organic, right? If you're a beggar, you don't get to choose, right? You know, this isn't sprouts, this isn't Whole Foods, you don't get to choose, right? You're gonna give what I give you. You're gonna get what I give you, right? But I've that's a decision I've made to have that to be able to give away. What if I didn't have that? Then I have to be able to determine what I'm willing to live with to be able to give away that doesn't harm my family. Because then the line of harm comes up. It was like, well, what is actually harming your family? Like you're eating three meals a day, you're eating like 3,000 calories a day each. Like you could probably go down to 2,000 calories, you'd be all right. Like, you don't have to have three meals a day, you need to have two meals a day. Right, but you we can't be so used to comfort that we're unwilling to draw back a little bit in order to make sure someone else has what they need as well. What you got on that?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

Yeah, I think you know, everyone has to decide for themselves what you know what is truly abundance, you know, what it what do they have that might go above and beyond what they truly need to survive. Because as as St. Thomas says here, at you know, at that point, you whatever you do have in abundance, you are morally you have to offer to those who who need it to survive. And like you said, I mean it's even if you don't get anything, you know, at that point, if if someone does truly need it to survive, like if they don't have anything to offer you, you have to give it to them, but you still get something in return in the long run, and that's goodwill. That and honestly, in a in a crap it the fans sort of situation, that sort of goodwill can go a long way.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:49

Yeah, you know, absolutely that a long time ago, back when Forward Observer was a magazine, before it became what it is today, wrote an article for Mike Shelvy, and it was talking about building social equity with your neighbors, right? Building a relationship and building that community so that when time comes when they need help or you need help, they're much more willing to help you and much less likely to turn you in, right? Because they see you as one of their own, and you see them as one of their right. Giving food to somebody who is starving and you being gracious about it is going to endear them to you a whole lot more than you know, kicking them out the door, right? Now they're gonna have ill thoughts towards you, and you might be inviting your own demise with that action, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:47

Plus, it can be as simple as hey, you know, here's here's food for tonight. You eat this, you pull watch for me tonight, and I'll give you a you know, and you'll get breakfast too, then you know, like they it you can definitely barter some simple sort of like later out of the deal.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:09

Yeah, just make sure if you do that, you have someone else on watch with them that keep an eye on and they'll lobby while you're sleeping, right? But uh yeah, I mean, and that might be a situation where you you figure out that they have skills that y'all need, yeah. So then you decide to ask them to stay, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:24

Like I mean, and that that's how feudalism started, more or less, back in the day.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:31

Yeah, like my my friends know that if things get bad, like y'all are all well welcome to come over here, right? Bring all your food and your firearms and enough clothing to get you through cold seasons, and we'll figure something out. We'll build a bunch of bok beds if we have to, right? But I would rather y'all be here and helping provide for each other than not, right? So as Christians, we have to be willing to help our neighbor when these things happen, and but we also have to be very prudent about that, and we don't want to invite someone in that is eventually going to hurt us or hurt the community, right? So you have to be very your your social cues and your instincts of people, you have to listen to it, right? If you've dated horrible women your entire life, if you never picked up on a red flag, you do not need to be the one making the judgments on that. You need to find someone else who comes from a healthy relationship and let them make those judgments on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

This is something, in my opinion, Catholics are historically terrible at. Like, uh, are you talking about because we're gullible? Well, I I it does there does seem to be either uh you know, a naive uh Catholics do tend to be very naive when it comes to stuff like this. It's the same reason why Catholics tend to be very bad at business because they're just very naive, gullible, yeah. Uh look at pelican plots, look at pelican.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:18

Yeah, well, and I think it's also specifically Christians in America and in the West, because our community was always homogenous for a long time. And we had that high trust society, but now we have demographics coming into our communities who do not care about sharing or helping out each other. All they're looking at is what can they take from you, yeah? Right, and and that's a lesson we're having to learn hard right now. A lot of people in a lot of areas are really having to learn that, you know, like there's that situation with Niza going on, which I don't know how y'all didn't pick up that that dude's not cutting his hair for a long time. He's obviously still attached to his alternative lifestyle, right? So he's not that's not going anywhere. I don't know how y'all didn't pick up that that's a grift. Bro, you have quite the pool to pick up from. Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:21

You have plenty of options, they're all terrible, they're all bad options. I mean, they're horrible.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:27

Never date crazy. Okay. I I before I met my wife, my picker was horrible, right? And then my wife, you know, she was like the first person that I I really dated that that wasn't crazy, right? And thankfully, like she's amazing. Like, I just got I hit the lottery, is what happened. I just didn't know it. But before that, man, I dated some crazy women, crazy, like red flags, like Yu Sha flags, right? It was bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:06

That's an inside joke, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:09

But uh it was so I would like I was not a good judge of character at all. Now, now I am, right? But it's also because I got some training through the Marine Corps that allows me to tell when people are not being truthful, but you know, but I was in a situation that now you didn't waterboard your wife, did you? Look, it's not waterboarding if you use gasoline.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:33

Okay.

Trauma, Marriage, And Reading People

SPEAKER_06 1:14:35

But I'm in a situation now because I've learned through experience how to judge people's character a little bit better. That when I give advice to like younger guys, and I, you know, and I see what kind of women they've dated, and like, look, you need to stop picking for yourself. You need to find a friend that's in a good relationship and have him pick someone for you. Yeah, because you obviously can't do it, and you don't know that you're picking wrong until it's too late, right? And you she burns your couch and sets it on fire while you're gone, right? Like it's you don't need to be dealing with that. And that's a that's a personal experience here. Not for me, but I've had friends. I've had friends. I had a guy that was on deployment uh and his wife of like five years, when he came home, sold everything he had in the house and sold the house before he got back. He had no idea. What she just ran off with all that money, man. Oh wow, that was like it's just the guy's or some of these guys, and we all we all I don't say we all, I don't want to put anybody into a stereotype or anything, but a lot of us have grown up with a consistent environment of trauma. Okay, I was listening to a talk by a former Green Bray earlier, and he was talking about how he doesn't believe that those of us who went to war in the in the GWAT, we we didn't have PTSD, right? Because PTSD it insinuates that you had these big events of trauma and you didn't know how to deal with them. But a lot of us that grew up in the 90s and 80s grew up with boomer parents, right? We were latchkey kids. We grew up in an environment of stress every day. So when we didn't have stress, we didn't know how to deal with that, right? It's it's like alcoholics, you know. If you if any of y'all have alcoholic parents and you know, you grew up in a very chaotic lifestyle. When you grew up and you started dating, you were dating people that emulated your alcoholic parents because that's what you thought love was. You thought love was being verbally and emotionally abusive, right? Because that's what you grew up thinking it was, because that's what your parents showed, right? And you were in that environment of stress your entire life. So when you got out to the real world and you met somebody that wasn't like that, right, you didn't know how to deal with it. Because, like, what do you mean you're not you know cutting me down every chance you get? That's how you tell me you love me. Like, what do you mean? Um, and so a lot of us growing up with all that trauma, we don't know how to pick up on those flags as well as someone who has a better baseline than we do that grew up in a more healthy and they can pick out like that guy's being toxic, right? Or that girl's being toxic, or whatever it is, or she's obviously very narcissistic, or you know, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:30

The good news is our kids should have a much easier time of it.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:33

Bro, I am saying I tell I was talking to my oldest about that, she's 13. Now I was telling her, I was like, my goal is that you're less broken than I am, and hopefully your kids are even less broken, and hopefully your grandkids aren't broken at all, right? And that that's you know, because I grew up, I'm a child divorce, right? Which is a curse on the family already. But like when I married my wife, I told her it's like we're never using that word ever, it's never allowed to be used whatsoever, because this is it forever, right? So if you don't like me, go take a nap, right? You'll be fine. And this is the same thing with her, with her towards me. But one thing that really helped us grow in that relationship was when we got married, we moved to Camp Lejeune, we had no family around us. So if we got in a fight, I couldn't run back to my dad's house, and she couldn't run back to her's house and hear them say, Well, he's a horrible person, or she's a horrible person, whatever it is, right? Like we had to work it out, and we did. We always had the the practice that we never went to bed angry at each other, even if we had to stay up till two o'clock in the morning to talk it out, right? You did it, you never went to sleep angry at each other, and you know, we'll be married 18 years in September, right? So hopefully, my kids are way less broken than I am. And I'm trying to get them there, but I still exude some of my brokenness to them sometimes without even realizing I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:05

Yeah, she is so I had to bring my wife to the yard because she she fainted Friday morning before I left for work. Like, I'm talking to her, she turns around to go back to bed, and next thing I know, like I heard a big thump. She's on the ground, she's not moving, she's not answering. You know, I run to her, she's not like she's not. She took about half a minute before she came to. And I'm like, Have you been drinking water? Have you been eating food? Never, never. Well, actually, she had. She had, and that's what I'm like, I believe her.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:42

I believe her, sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:43

Yeah, I'm like, okay, well, then I'm bringing you right to the ER. If it's not water, if it's not food, then we need to go get this looked at.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:52

You know what they did in the Marine Corps if you passed out?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:55

Told you to suck it up, walk it off.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:57

Nope. They gave you the silver bullet, they step a thermometer about that long up your butt to make sure your internal core temperature wasn't too high. You know how many guys did everything they could not to pass out? I remember I was in the chow line waiting to go in and boot camp, and I started like I didn't, I guess I didn't drink enough water, and I started getting my head, and I started doing the sway. And I told the two guys next to me, hold me up, hold me up until I come back. And they didn't, man. They put their arms underneath, and they're holding me up, and I just go and I wake back up, you know, like I'm not getting the silver bullet. That wouldn't happen.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:31

Well, what's funny is so what it what they think it ended up was was just low blood pressure. My wife's always had kind of a low blood pressure, yeah. And it was like the first night in a while, in a long time, actually, where all three of our older kids stayed over at my mom's. So, like, she had had 12 hours of no stress, you know, no kids screaming, no kids yelling, no kids running. I'm like, You got to relax, hon. You can't you need at least one of those three screaming kids around you at all times to make sure your blood pressure's up.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:06

Yep, she needs nicotine, is what she needs. Give her some give her some.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:11

Steven's right, this would have solved that problem.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:13

Hey, you know what? Chuck Norris once told a woman to calm down, and she did. Do you remember the old all the old Chuck Norris jokes? Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he does earth downs.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:31

He told he told her that she was like she was acting like her mother, and she agreed.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:43

Oh my gosh.

Self-Defense And Proportional Force

SPEAKER_06 1:21:45

Uh God bless his soul, man. God bless his soul. All right, let's get into self-defense. I'm gonna share this. However, guy pulled up. I'm ready to go. Ain't no Anthony's on this stream. All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:59

And you're not just doing this stream of conscious consciousness, just off the top of your head.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:05

Look, I'm gonna give it to Anthony, right? He can just go and go and go and go. I need to be much more structured because if I go like that, within 15 minutes, we'll be talking about killer clowns from Mars. Right? The autism will kick in, or whatever I got. Maybe it's not autism, maybe it's just retardation. I don't know. But I will be on some wild tangent that we're nowhere near the subject anymore. At least he can stay mostly on topic. If I don't structure it, we're way off in Interland. So God bless that he's got that ability to do that. All right, so ethically, the subject of self-defense regards the right of a person, private person to employ force against anyone who unjustly attacks his life or person, his property, or a good name. Man, could you imagine like beating somebody up just because you know they insulted you? If only we could get back to that. While differing among themselves on some of the more subtle and less practical points comprising this topic, our moralists may be said to be unanimous on the main principles and their application regarding the right of self-defense. So, defense of property gets into honor and stuff. So I'm not gonna go over this one. This is pretty self-explanatory. You know, we we've talked about this before in one of our first shows. If your retaughtism, if we if you feel you're threatened, if you feel your family's threatened, if you feel an innocent person is threatened, and even if you feel like property that you absolutely need is threatened, you are allowed to defend it, even up to death. Their death, not yours. I mean, you're you can do up to your death too, but I I would prefer the other guy die instead of I do, right? Who is it? Patton said, War is not about dying for your country, it's mouth making the poor sucker die for his.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:50

You know what else Patton said?

SPEAKER_06 1:23:53

We fought on the wrong side of the war. And then 30 days later, he was dead. Weird car accident, man. Weird, man, super weird. Uh so uh now I'll put a bunch of this in the telegram chat for y'all, all these links if y'all want to look at it. But self-defense, I don't think we need to go over too much. I do want to go over the unjust aggressor though. This one I thought was very interesting.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:21

So let me remove this, and get rid of that.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:32

And share screen. Here we go. All right, the unjust aggressor. According to the accepted teaching of theologians, it is lawful in the defense of life or limb or of property of some importance and of chastity to repel violence with violence, and even to the extent of killing an unjust assailant. This is admitted to be true with the reservation included in the phrase servato madramin in cop incopulte rutile. Y'all didn't know I could read Latin. That is, only that degree of violence may be employed which is necessary to adequately to protect one from the attack. For example, if we're enough in the circumstances to maim an enemy, it would be unlawful to kill him. It is likewise lawful to aid another to the same extent and within the same limits as a permissible for self-defense.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:26

In other words, if a guy is about to rape someone, cutting off his Johnson is enough. You don't have to go further than that. Hey, Lorena Bobbit did nothing wrong.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:41

That might be too old for some of y'all. Y'all should look up Lorena Bobbit. B-O-B-B-I-T-T. Bobbit.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:49

But don't don't do the image search.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:52

Yeah, do not do image search. No, no, no. What was his name? John Wayne Bobbit? What didn't he wasn't he like a two first namer guy? Lorraine um Bobbit. Uh John Bobbit. I knew it was John. Yeah, John Wayne Bobbit.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:18

John Wayne Bobbit. Good. I still got it. He's a never trust a man with two first names. That is one letter away from the town I live in.

unknown 1:26:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:28

You can never trust a man with two first names.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:31

What about and they're a presidential assassin?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:40

Yeah. John Wilkes Booth. That's not really two first names, though. But he always knows Lee Harvey Oswald? That's three. Two first names. What? Two first names. Lee Harvey. Two first names. Oswald is a first name, too. That is true. Three first names.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:58

He tried who else? Who was who was the Reagan guy that was just in the news talking about the new one? Gotta Google this again.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:14

Do you remember the Onion? Kind of. Back when it was funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:19

John Hinckley.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:20

So not really a so before the Onion, there was a publication called News of the Weird.

unknown 1:27:27

Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:28

News of the Weird, huh?

SPEAKER_06 1:27:29

And they always had just like weird stories across the nation in it. But they always had their criminals of the week. And the amount of times the middle name Wayne come up would shock you. For whatever reason it is, men with the middle name of Wayne love crime. You know the sad part is what's your middle name? My dad's middle name was Wayne. So maybe he had like a third family or something I didn't know about.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:59

My dad.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:00

Middle name was Homer, but he pronounced it Homer.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:05

Homer. No, we're English, not French.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:11

And that and we got one on line too.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:13

I'm not gonna get into lying just because lying is that would be the hardest one to really be moral with during you.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:27

You really have to do it by not answering the question, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:34

Or answering it in the most vague way imaginable.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:38

Right? You know, like they could like the the example is always well if the Nazis come to your door and they're looking for the Jews. First of all, they're not looking for the Jews, we all know that. But second of all, second of all, if they are, they're upstairs in the attic. Yeah, they're upstairs. Her name's got a ballpoint that hasn't been invented yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:56

Yeah, she's got a weird pen with her.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:00

She's the inventor of the ballpoint pen. Ten years early. Uh but it's one of those things like you know, do you have any Jews in your house? I've got some cake. Would you like to come in for some cake?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

You know, bring them in some or or I don't have any Jews to give to give you, or I don't have any Jews to show you.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:18

Yeah, you know, you just gotta be super vague about it. I don't so if anybody's read Robert Jordan's books, oh The Wheel of Time. It's a it's a fantasy novel series.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:33

I know Amazon made a series about it, but it's stupid gay.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:38

Is the book are the books good? Books are good. Books are great. There's about there's 12 or 13 books, right? But there's like one of them that's not really that good. The rest of them are pretty good. Uh but there's so the premise is there's this give me 30 seconds to get to this, and we'll get to it. The world broke because the man broke it using technology. When he broke it, women then took control of the world. Okay, these like these they're not really sorcerers or anything, they don't really do magic anyway. But one of the things they do is they have to swear on a rod that they can't lie that and that when they do that, it makes them unable to lie, they cannot lie at all. So they deal in vagueness all the time, right? So they'll dance around it but never answer your question.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:27

No way, a woman who only answers in vague and in vague sayings and never actually answers the question. That's impossible, Adrian. There's no way that has never happened in the history of the world.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:40

It's unbelievable, in fact, it's so far-fetched, it we can't believe it.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:46

So, hey honey, where do you want to go to eat? Oh, you know, I don't know, whatever you want.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:52

That's why I always thought it'd be a great idea to name a restaurant, I don't know, wherever you want. And then on the menu has to be, I'm not really hungry. And it's like cider fries and like a couple of cheese sticks. You can't say a lie. No, you cannot say a lie. Like, I know we would love to. I know you feel like, oh, it's you know, we're doing something greater good. It's that doesn't fly. You cannot send the cause of greater good. Yeah, right. We don't we don't go by the the ends justify the means, right? So but you have to be able to get good at talking around it to where they think that you answered their question, but you didn't lie, right? So for those of you that ever want to take a polygraph, if you get really good at this right now, you'll pass that polygraph.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:56

Okay, just just to let you know. It's like how in college I wanted to get really good at taking breathalyzer, so I got a breathalyzer. Didn't work like I expected.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:09

It really just became a competition.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:11

Who can blow the highs? Who can blow the eyes without passing out? Let's go.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:17

When I was when I was in a firefighter in Atlanta, we had some guys that moonlighted the on their off days. They worked at these little clinic, these mobile clinics that would just give people IVs, and they would set up shop outside of like all the bars and everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:32

Genius.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:32

So they would just hit them with a bunch of like what we call a banana bag, and it's just electrolytes, pretty much, and just hit them with an IV so that way they don't get a hangover and they're not as drunk the next day. But man, they made it was like it was like$500 a pop, but people did it all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:50

I there are a couple of days in my life I would have paid$500 for that. But only a couple.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:58

Now it's just if I'm drinking at night, like I'm having a little bit of bourbon tonight, I don't need it tonight. I'm not drinking enough. But if I'm in a position where I know I'm gonna be I might be out with some friends or whatever, might have friends over and we're gonna drink a little bit. I drink Polite if we have it. Otherwise, I'm drinking Gatorade and Motrin. I'll worry about it the next day. I'll be good. Because man, you know, I'm I'm a lightweight, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:30

I don't never drink.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:31

I'm pretty much drink, but I'm on here.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:33

Yeah, I'm the I've had I've had a bottle of bourbon. I'm halfway through a bottle of bourbon I opened two months ago.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:43

I've got so much wood for reserve up in my liquor cabinet that I'll never drink it all. In fact, I just finished off 1750 milliliter bottle I got when I was in Minnesota four years ago. I went to the I went to I think we went to Costco, and y'all's liquor is cheap up there. It's ridiculous. I think I got it for like 40 bucks. Down here, that's like a 120 bottle. What? Yeah, well, just a 750 of Woodford. No, it was 1750 of Woodford. What do you mean? Was like 40 bucks. 1750 milliliters of Woodford. That's a huge bottle. It was, it was a huge I got it for like 40 bucks up there, right? The problem is down here in Alabama, we have alcohol beverage control, like it's a it's a government organization, and you can only buy alcohol through them. So they buy it wholesale, then sell it to you for a profit, and then you sell it even higher than that. So we don't get we don't have cheap alcohol down here whatsoever.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:47

All the all the hard liquor is you you basically buy through the state. Pretty much.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:53

I mean, you can buy that we do have liquor stores, but they have to buy it through the state.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:57

Oh, okay. That's weird.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:59

It's it's stupid.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:03

Man, that we we do have some some which is legal now, by the way. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:13

But not near as much as what we had in Kentucky. Kentucky, we had way more moonshiners, way more runners running around than we do at Alabama.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:24

I I don't know why, but like I'll go into a liquor store to get like a bottle of wine, and I'll go to the bourbon section or or or scotch or whatever, and I'll find it. I'm like, well that's a really nice bottle I haven't tried. I'll buy it, I'll get home and realize that you know, if I drink one bottle every three months, but I'm buying one bottle a month just because it's new and looks cool and that I want to try it. That hey, I have way too much, I don't need it all.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:54

You know what that means? You need more friends to come over and help you drink it. Yeah, that's what you need to do. Yeah, that's true. But or you're personally going to stock the bar at the conference y'all are doing, or or I save it for the end of the world and barter with it. Just don't mix it with chocolate milk. Oh man, stay away from that. That's not a good idea. No, I've I've seen in person, you and I both have.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:26

Yeah, it was definitely like watching a slow motion train wreck. We all knew how it was ending.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:33

That dude was wobbling so bad, and then he went in the bathroom and threw up. I think Bobby cleaned it up. I think Bobby held.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:43

I love it was hilarious. With Anthony. Oh, Anthony um doxxed Bobby last night. I heard it. I heard it. It took me a couple minutes. Like, I'm not sure what he just said or why he just said that, and then yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:05

I heard it, and I was like, well, hopefully he added that out.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:09

I did this morning, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:13

I would not barter firearms. Or I mean, I to be honest with you, I wouldn't even borrow ammunition. I never want to give somebody the means to be able to use that to take what I have.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:26

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:27

So if they don't have firearms, they were not smart enough to have them in the first place, which means they're desperate now, and now they're gonna use it to rob you. Um what ammo is the bottle caps of SHTF? 556 and 9mm. What am what if ammo is the bottle caps of shit in the fan? Yeah, what would that the bottom what would ammo would be? It'd be 556 and 9 mil.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:55

For sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:56

And maybe 22 maybe. And maybe some shotgun slot.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:00

You know, it's like double up but yeah, it's what yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:03

12 gauge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:07

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:09

So let's do the let's do the Owen Benjamin clip real quick. We'll talk about that, and we'll be done. Y'all get a late stream tonight.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:21

Yeah, so my boys have T-ball on Monday and Wednesdays from 6:30 central to 7:30 central. So either we're gonna have to do late streams like this until July or do them on Friday nights.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:39

Yep. And to be honest with you, Friday nights aren't an issue with me because I mean I'm I'm a dad. I don't go out on Friday nights. This Friday night, I couldn't know. That's why we had to do it tonight. I gotta have to go out of town this weekend. I have to go down to Lower Alabama, LA, for those of you who are local. And um I got a work conference I gotta do this weekend. So otherwise, Fridays would be fine. We might need to do Fridays during the summer while y'all are in T-ball.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:06

I I'm okay as long as I'm not, yeah, as long as I'm not traveling that weekend, yeah, I'm fine with Fridays.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:13

And my because my son's baseball is practices on Tuesday and games are on Saturdays, so it wouldn't affect us whatsoever.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:25

I think I'm into the chest carry. I I like having uh I think the chest is where the gun should be. It's called a uh gunslinger carry because the appendix carry, there's no fucking chance I'm pointing a gun at penis. I think anyone that does appendix carry is trans. Okay, and I'll make that statement right now. You're a trans. If you do append, if if you can spend all day with a gun pointed at your dick in balls, oh don't you know the internal locking mechanism? No, no, no. It it's emotional, it's just something it means you don't value your dick and you want it to be blown off your body.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:10

Is that true, Adrian?

SPEAKER_06 1:40:12

I had no idea I was trans.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:14

Do you not do you not value your manhood?

SPEAKER_06 1:40:19

I guess not. I had I'm glad we had this intervention, and someone could really correct me on wicked, wicked ways. Yeah, he definitely does. So if y'all don't know who Owen Benjamin is, he used to be a uh comedian and he got basically canceled, then he got not funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:37

Do what then he got not funny? He stuck.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:40

Yeah, now he's like a flat earther and he denies the Holy Spirit, and like he's like all off the reservation. But I thought it I mean to be honest with you, if you carry a P320 appendix, you probably are trans, right? Or you are about to be, you're a post-op trans, you know, is or you're about to be a post-op trans. So I agree with that. But I just think that it's funny that he thinks the chest carry is like the optimum way to carry. Like, how are you how are you gonna conceal to carry that, my friend?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:11

Yeah, you have to like I like when I go hunting, I often you know will carry a chest rig, but it's it's not any quicker. As a matter of fact, the way you often have to, especially when you're hunting, like uh you have backpack straps, and you know, like it's it's not any faster, but especially because it's like when I'm out in the woods, I'm usually carrying like a larger revolver, you know, usually. So that makes more sense than having a flipping seven-inch long, you know, revolver on the my hip or something, but it it's it's just not ideal, inches, like seven inches, just a little bit bigger than six inches. Did you did you see that? I think it was probably an Instagram reel where the guy's like, Can you give me that six inch revolver? And he pulls out the snow pole, gives him the snow nose. He goes, That's not six inches, and he looks at it and he's like, Oh no.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:20

There was another one where there's a it's like a Japanese couple or something, or Chinese couple, and he's at the sink like doing dishes, and she comes up behind him, she's like, Where did this scratch come from? He's like, What are you talking about? She's like, The scratch on the back of your arm, like it's really big. He's like, I don't know. He's she's like, It's a really big scratch, and he looks at it, he's like, It's not that big, and she goes, That's really big, it's a really big scratch. He's like, It is really big, that's a huge scratch. So, for those of you that have a gut and you can't appear in this carry, that apparently means you are incapable of being trans. Works for me. I don't make the rules. I don't so congratulations. Do I carry for a rug march? I don't carry it. I'll you can carry something else, but I wouldn't carry a rifle. I mean, even I mean down here in Alabama, I'd be fine. But like I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I would just carry something else that weighs about seven pounds and carry that instead. Yeah, you could just get a piece of wood, piece of steel, yeah. Something else carry that just so you can mimic the weight. But last thing I want is to encourage any of you to be ruck marching with a rifle, and all of a sudden we see on the news local man arrested for terrorists and threatening outside of a rebuilt Toys R S.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:57

I mean, up where I'm at, like there's there's plenty of roads and woods you could march through without ever seeing anyone.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:05

So and like down here, it's not it wouldn't be unheard of. But I live in the country in Alabama, you know, so we're much more of a gun culture down here than you know, the suburbs of you know Atlanta. So it's just you I but I wouldn't buy even here, I wouldn't do it. Just because I don't want to deal with the hassle because you you've you've got yuppies moving in everywhere, and you don't want to deal with the woman who just moved down from Chicago who flips out because she sees you carrying your your 1022 with you that you're just out like shooting squirrels with, right? Like, just don't just don't even highlight yourself, just carry something that's equivalent weight that's about the same length. Get it like a piece of steel bar or something and carry that instead. Yeah, or you can get a rubber rifle and put an orange tip on it so everybody knows it's not really or airsoft. Uh just make sure you put the orange tip on it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:59

Yeah, or paint an orange tip on no, never mind, don't do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:07

We don't have any BLM land on here. We've got national parks, but that's about it. It's not BLM land though. Like I'm I'm not too far away from Caladega National Forest.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:19

East of the Mississippi, Mississippi, there's very little federal land. Yeah.

Telegram Drill And Closing Notes

SPEAKER_06 1:45:27

All right, any other questions? Who we got? Anybody? Hopefully, this was good for some of y'all. Just kind of go and I'll like I said, I'll post these links in the telegram chat. And what we're doing we're gonna do is we're gonna extend the competition for next month from this month. Apparently, my post never went through on telegram for this month's competition.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:52

Why do you think I was asking you what it was?

SPEAKER_06 1:45:54

I thought it was weird because I thought I posted the telegram, but it it's it's like still says sending on it. Like even like I I'm sending stuff after it.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:03

No wonder why never no one responded to my video about it, and that because no one knew what the hell I was doing.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:09

Yeah, so we're gonna do we're gonna extend it for this month.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:12

No, no, that's the month before. Kobe was the month before.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:16

I so look, I don't need y'all nagging me every six months. Okay, we sent did you send out the first prize yet?

SPEAKER_02 1:46:24

No, the one you sent me out.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:28

It's going to you, Joe. So I gotta do the last two uh prizes, and then but this month he was showing off. Not really, I did terrible. What weren't you out there with staccato?

SPEAKER_02 1:46:41

So the first one I did my my shout-out to carry, and I did not do well. So then I pulled out my uh my Kimber 2K11 pro and did a lot better with that.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:53

Look, just so y'all know, y'all need more. We so avoiding Babylon needs more local subscribers, so Rob can buy more guns. Yes, please. Y'all are really just funding his armory.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:06

That's really all you're it really is all it is. Actually, my gun budget had to decrease a lot now that we have our first car payment in the last four years.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:16

Again, that'll do it. That'll do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:19

So this uh the competition this month, for those of y'all that aren't in the telegram, get in the telegram.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:24

I'm getting the link right now to whoever needs it. I'll post the link.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:28

We have a lot of good men in there that are giving out you know, giving us good information. We used to have a female in there, but I haven't seen her in forever, so she may have self-deleted out of there. Out of the telegram. Out of the telegram, not out of life. But this so the this month's drill going into next month will be the same drill. We're doing the Dickens drill. If y'all don't know who what the Dickens drill is, look it up and find out who Dickens is.

unknown 1:47:53

Right?

SPEAKER_06 1:47:54

And we'll post the particulars in the group. Basically, it's what 10 shots?

SPEAKER_02 1:48:00

10 shots in 15 seconds from 40 yards to get eight hits on target. Eight hits on target. On a man.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:09

Elijah Dickens is who it's named after. Four years ago or so, there was a shooter in a mall, and he nailed a dude with his Glock 19 or whatever it was from 40 yards away, hit him eight out of 10 times.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:24

What's the what's the 40? What's the um 40 cal version of the 19? Is that the 22? The 23.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:34

I think well, yeah, the 22 is a longer version. Okay, like the five barrel. I think you did it with the I think he did it with the 40 cal got Glock. That's even more impressive because the 40's got a lot more kick.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:46

Yeah, yes, at 40 yards.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:48

At 40 yards, yes. Shooting a man, so like an IDPA IPSC target, right? So like a torso target at 40 yards, eight out of ten shots have to hit on.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:01

It look at the video posted, not a live stream, it's a video that I posted on on this channel of myself doing the competition. It you'll see how terrible I was at first. Yeah, it's a fun drill, it was fun. Um, ideally, yeah ideally, you'll have a shot. You would have a shot timer for it.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:24

Ideally, you can get shot timers on your phone. Yeah, uh, if you don't want to buy one, they work pretty well. They don't work well with suppressors. I mean, my shot timer doesn't work well, you know. That my pack timer I have doesn't work well with a suppressor, it just doesn't pick it up. But the ones on your phone work deep work well enough, and that and they're I think most of them are free. So get one of those. Yeah, I mean, so I it's a random pick. It's not gonna be who does it best, it's gonna be a random pick. So that way everyone participates. Um, so I'll just I'll have one of my kids pick a name out of the hat and That's who that's who wins that month. So that we'll extend that into this month, going into May and then June. Because during the summer months, I want to do more shooting.

unknown 1:50:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:12

Right. When it gets cold, we'll do other things like get home bags, starting a fire, stuff like that for y'all to build some skills that way. I want to do a uh one month towards the end of the year. I want to do a competition of building an at-home water filtration system. So everybody knows how to do that. Right. Oh, my kids my kids will love that. And I might bump up the price, or I'll find something in here that I can give away. Maybe I'll give you all like a radio or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:40

The answer to this is yes. You do get drip points if you do that. Yes. 100%. Absolutely. Who won the go bag?

SPEAKER_06 1:50:51

Who won that? I've got it written down inside. Because I need to send that one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:57

We got, I think Gunner won the other one. Joan Gunner? Yeah, Gunnar Freeman, whatever his name is.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:05

Yep. Can we do a pride theme? Yeah, we'll I don't know, we'll figure figure something out.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:14

We'll figure something out.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:15

We'll probably all get it.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:17

Maybe maybe it'll be like Sodom and Gomorrah themed where you have to like blow up some tannerite or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:26

What we'll do is we'll do um we'll do like a hostage rescue drill. And we'll we'll put the uh the hostage taker, we'll you know, rainbow painted to for be a trans person. And then the That's when you gotta shoot. The hostage itself? No, no, no, no, the hostage taker.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:49

No, no, no, you make the hostage the pride person and they can't shoot the hostage taker. And you get extra you get extra entry points if you put like a pride t-shirt on the on the target.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:08

And you get more if you use incendiary ammo to start that t-shirt on fire. We are all gonna get docs and banned and canceled out.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:21

Designists are coming for us, brothers. We don't have to worry about the SPLC anymore, but still got the ADL. Alright, I don't think I have anything else. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:40

I'm glad we're extending that competition because I wanted to do more of it and get better at it. But the weather took a turn for the cold, like two days after I did it last. So it's no time.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:56

We've had a bunch of rain down here this week, which has been good. Um because I that's how I know I'm an old man, because I'm like, oh, we needed this. We needed the rain. We needed this rain.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:06

Even though my bones felt it coming. I could feel it in my knees.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:11

You know what's bad? Like, you need some rain when you walk out on your grass and your grass is crunching.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:17

For us, that would just be because of the frost.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:19

Yeah, not for real. For us, it's because it's super dry. Uh top ten creed songs. I don't even know if I have top ten creed songs. I don't know, I'll post it on Telegram. But I will tell you, Three Doors Down was a better show than Creed. Way better. Actually, I just bought tickets to go see Breaking Benjamin in October. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:49

Nice. Their song on the Halo, was it the Halo 2 or Halo 3 soundtrack was bomb back in the day.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:58

You know, have you heard the song with Papa Roach and Carrie Underwood? Probably. Like the let the light something. Let the light something is something. So it's is it so Papa Roach apparently has come to Jesus, right? He's he's he's a Christian now. Leave a light on. Leave a light on is what it is. But it's a song about suicide, like not not taking your life, basically. Which is like the opposite of you know, cut my life into pieces. Um he's 180 now. But I like so like when I'm in the car with the kids, I like to introduce them to the music. Like so, my wife introduces her them to her music, right? So then they come in, they're listening to a lot of like you know, Alice and Chain, Sound Garden, Audio Slave, whatever. And so I had I went, I had a daddy-daughter date with my my oldest on Saturday, and I took it out, let her listen to some of this stuff. And I I didn't think she'd like that at all. She loved it. She l so I had to when I got home, I had to buy it and put it on her little makeshift iPod we did for her. Have you heard of that girl Mafra? M-A-P-H-R-A? You should look her up on YouTube. She does covers of other songs, but her voice is insane. It's crazy. You should listen to her song, but she's a cover of Doom. It's a cover of some band in the UK I've never heard of, but really good.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:45

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:46

That's true. We got the opposite problem right now. Our rivers are really high. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_06 1:55:52

So the we have the uh Coosa River coming through by me. And it it goes into a lake right here, and it's got a dam, and they're just letting it little dam go right now. Because we've got so much rain coming in the last few days, and they got the thing wide open. Which isn't normal because usually by now we're it's starting to get hot and like we're starting not having as much rain, but this year we've got so much, so it's it's kind of caused some issues with drainage around in areas. So one day I was having to go through an area and the road was flooded. But thankfully, I was in my work in my farm truck, so I could just drive through it withn't issue. But a guy was coming through in his Tesla and got stuck. And I wanted, I was like, dude, you need to get out of that thing. Like that thing. Do you not know what lithium does in water? All right. We are gonna call it, and we will see y'all next week. Y'all get in the telegram and go look at the competition, and I'll uh I'll put in there as soon as I get inside, look who won the get home bag one. I have a feeling it was our friendly neighborhood autist.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:07

Really?

SPEAKER_06 1:57:09

I have a feeling it was, if I remember correctly. That was like a month ago. So I'll look at it. But y'all have a good night, and we'll see y'all next time.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:19

Hold on, I gotta choose the right outro. It's been a while since we the best outro ever. I know, it's been a while.