The Supreme Court's Birthright Citizenship Ruling Denies the Nation's Right to Exist

Birthright citizenship is treated like a settled question until you chase it to the root: what is a nation, and who gets to decide who belongs? We start with the SSPX bishop consecrations and the chaos of online commentary, then trace the less-talked-about reality that the Traditional Latin Mass ecosystem in the United States has been shaped by pressure, incentives, and institutional fear, not just piety or preference.

Then we pivot to the Supreme Court ruling tied to birthright citizenship and lay out why it accelerates everything. We talk through the policy logic people are already floating, from restricting entry in drastic ways to denaturalization pathways that already exist in US law, and why both “sides” are incentivized to escalate. Underneath the slogans, we keep coming back to the same question: can a political state survive when it’s no longer anchored to a coherent people with a shared culture, memory, and common good?

To make the argument concrete, we use Catholic social teaching, subsidiarity, and Thomas Aquinas on citizenship: integration takes time, political rights presume proven commitment, and charity toward peaceful strangers doesn’t require national self-erasure. We also explore the difference between a nation and a nation-state, how “self-determination” gets abused, why legitimacy collapses when rulers abandon the common good, and what that means in an era of failing expertise and rising social tension.

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SSPX Consecrations And Online Hot Takes

SPEAKER_00 0:43

I forgot we had Lefebvre in the intro.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Well, well, on the nose.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

A little bit, yeah. Did you watch any of the consecrations? I mean, I saw some of the clips of the storm and I watched one of the, I think it was the American bishop speak a little, but no, I didn't really watch anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

I got up at like 5 30 this morning, like I normally do. I was like, I'm gonna check in, see what's going on, see if it's still on. It was still on. I think they were at this point finishing up the mass or something, or handing out their distributing communion or whatever. It's like, man, it's 5 30, and this thing started at like one my time. That was great. Yeah, that was a long. And the amount of people who believe that they are professional commentators and are canon lawyers and you know judicial lawyers, it's just been amazing. It just shows that people will just spout anything on the internet, and they they just like it's like throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Like, yeah, I it watching the SSPX stuff go on right now, it's it's been interesting to see the people who previously were very supportive of the SSPX and are now completely against them, right? For doing the same thing they did 38 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

As well as the people who are emotionally invested in this, like people who, for whatever reason, feel like especially when they have really don't have a dog in the fight. Right? I don't have one in my state at all. All all six million of them. And it's just the people like they they feel like it's it seems like they're offended at what happened. And like they've been talking about this for two years. Like, we've been hearing rumblings about them doing the consecrations for two years. Yeah, all of a sudden, you all are you like, did you think it wasn't gonna happen? Like it has to happen, what right or wrong, for the SSPX to continue, they have to have bishops because otherwise, no one will ordain their priests for them. No one will make sure that they can provide the sacraments because whether you like it or not, if it weren't for the SSPX, we would not have any ecclesia day communities whatsoever.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Yeah, I think a lot of people either have forgotten or or never knew that, like that, like honestly, like that the SSPX wasn't even formed necessarily to provide the traditional sacraments to anyone, it was formed to give traditional formation to to to seminarians. That that is why it was founded, you know. That the the first couple seminarians came to Lefebvre more or less said telling him like they're they're not being formed properly in the the the new well, not the new seminaries, but the seminary, you know, the the usual seminaries, and begged him to to form them instead. That's how it all started. So, like you said, for the SSPX to fulfill its, I don't want to say mission, but it's to fulfill the end, its end, like they do need to be able to ordain priests because that's why it was formed.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Yeah, and and this comment is interesting. There were very few diocesan Latin masses in the United States in the 80s at all. I think that there was less than you can count them on one hand. I have to actually be raising one of them, and the what the SSPX is provided is they are the sort of Damocles over Rome to make sure Rome does not completely eradicate the Latin mass. Because if there was no SSPX, traditional custodus would have completely wiped out all of the Latin mass, they would have not thought anything about it with the threat that the SSPX may bring a chapel into your diocese. Because if you notice, every time everywhere there's an FSSP perished, almost everywhere, not everywhere, it's not it's not across the board, but almost everywhere, it's because there's an SSPX chapel there. Because that bishop would prefer people to go to a Latin mass that he controls, so he allows the FF FSSP to go there. So it's just people are unable to see the pattern and the sequence of events that have led us here, and again, like I'm not you know pro or con the consecrations, like I'm not that's that's not my job. I don't have a dog in that fight. I go to the diocese in Latin Mass, but I recognize the the only reason I have a Latin Mass is because of Samoran Pontificum, because our mass our mass was started a couple years afterwards, and some more and pontificum, regardless of what Benedict says, was made with the SSPX in mind, and so we we would not have the access to the Latin mass we have now if it weren't, and on top of that, the SSPX is larger than all the Ecclesia Day communities combined by itself. So if we're looking at the fruit of what they're doing and the fact that they are supposedly they've been in schism, you know, until 2008 or whatever it was, 2009 when the excommunications were lifted, whatever, but they were growing faster than FSSP ever was. And these in all the Ecclesia Day communities have not been able to eclipse the amount of people that they provide the sacraments to. But you have faithful Catholics who just ask for bishops and they wouldn't give it to them. People see pride masses going on through all June, but the SSPX are not allowed to make sure that they're able to continue with the mass that we've had for 1500 years. Yeah, people the average layman may not know about the SSPX, but when people see the news on secular news, they're seeing the contrast, and it doesn't make sense to them. And this is a this is a PR nightmare for Rome right now. And you've got everybody coming out of the woodwork making their comments and make sure everybody knows their opinion, but these are people who just found out about the SSPX like three minutes ago, and all of a sudden they've got an opinion about it. I mean, we still have bishops getting rid of the Latin Mass now, and Rome's not doing a thing about it. I bet since the consecration is today, we're going to see something about the Latin Mass come out to encourage the bishops to allow them again. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. That's the only thing Rome can do to fight back. That's what Samoa and Patificum was all about. That was the effect, anyway, of what happened to Moran Patifum. That's what we saw an explosion in the Latin masses after 2008.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

I mean, I have a feeling Rome could just kill most of the Ecclesiadae and diocesan TLMs, and I think most of the people would just roll over. Probably. I mean, I we've seen that in the diocese where they've done it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

Yeah. More than likely. It just with the amount of craziness going on right now in the world, and we don't have Rome to anchor ourselves to right now because they're not willing to be the moral heavyweight we need them to be. It's it's no surprise to me that we have more people flocking to the SSPX to the set of acontism to Eastern Orthodoxy. Like people are fine, trying to find some type of foundation stone to attach themselves to because the world's moving so fast, and they need something that is eternal to attach themselves to, a church that is is able to provide the moral guidance they need, and Rome's not doing it. I do think the Eastern Orthodox thing is an illusion. I do too. For the most part. I think I think it's I think it's drummed up as more just anti-Catholicism. Right? They're trying to, you know, the algorithms and such are trying to be like the PR arm for Eastern Orthodoxy to make it look like, oh, you know, they're so much better than the Catholic Church because every you know the world knows that the Catholic Church is the main character. Everyone else's side character status.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Um all the the Catholics I've heard go Eastern Orthodox, they've all, as far as I can recall, have been converts. You know what I mean? Like I think think if a cradle Catholic went Eastern Orthodox, I think they would quickly recognize the same issues, right? You know, the yeah, the the Orthodox name only cultural, you know, orthodoxy of most of the the long-term people that have been there.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

And yeah, I mean we have it here in Birmingham. We have a Melkite parish is the Eastern Catholic parish. There's a lot of people there that Eastern Catholic in name only. That's just that's just their ethnic heritage. Yeah, right. They're all Arabs there, pretty much, and that's just what you do. And because they're already a small sect of Birmingham anyway, they want to be around people that look like them, and so that's at that parish.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Which kind of leads us almost into our topic. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

I

The Supreme Court Decision And Fallout

SPEAKER_00 12:41

was not surprised that the Supreme Court ruled the way they did, especially after seeing they didn't put up any of the barriers like they have for previous controversial decisions.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

I mean, there was no way Roberts and and Barrett were going to rule any other way.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Well, I mean, we saw it come with Barrett because she's adopted what three African children, two Haitian children, I think. Yeah. So we knew which way that was going. But I what that what I think this does is this accelerates the timeline.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

I agree 100%.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

This what all illusions have been pulled at this point. We people are now realizing that every lever of the government is being pulled to make sure that this country collapses.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Like on both sides, now there's no incentive to not go all out, right? Yeah, like there's no incentive for the liberals to not try to get every single pregnant woman from across the globe into this country. Yeah, and there's no incentive for the other side to well, I mean, initially to just ban all visas for women in general, you know.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

Maybe that's I mean, at this point, like it the only the only actions that the government really has that have been upheld by the Supreme Court is on restricting immigration. And at this point, you know, they're they're gonna have to put rules in effect like if you're more than you know 10 weeks pregnant, you're not allowed to come here.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

I th I think honestly it should be if you are capable of being pregnant and you're not American, you don't get to come to this country at all.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Yeah, and then you're gonna see a lot of women who are at well, you should see a lot of women who are of childbearing years being deported, re migrated, whether they're here currently legally or not, or and you're just gonna have to split up families. You're gonna either they'll you'll give them the choice, like hey, I know you're not legal, but your kid was a birthright citizen, right? You they can either go with you, you can leave them here.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

But you're even that you I think now we absolutely have to find some route. Yeah, I I shouldn't say we because I don't those who want who believe we can still somehow stay within the current political system we're in, they need to find some route to denaturalize citizens.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Well, there's already a process in place for that to de to denaturalize citizens. There there's been there's been a let me see if I can find it. But they that's been in place for a while because it was done in the 20s. Let me see if I can find anything on it. But back in the 20s, when there was like there's basically an immigration halt, that was back when we allowed the migrants from Mexico to come up and work the farms. Yeah, there was a big push at that time to stop that, especially as we were leading into seeing what was going on in Europe. Because prior to that, we had on average like 665,000 immigrants coming from Europe every year, and this was back when our population was like 12 million, right? So, and then it just you know it kept uh increasing year after year after that. But back in the 20s, there was a huge push to get rid of a lot of these immigrants. Let's see if I can find it, but let's see. So basically, the USCIS, the unit U.S. citizenship and immigration services can refer a case to the DOJ if someone is here a naturalized immigrant, not naturalized born, but naturalized immigrant, and if they have committed any civil or criminal proceedings, they can have their citizenship revoked and removed. But they basically had to be found guilty. Like you can't do it just because you suspect someone, right? But being here illegally and then getting your citizenship, like I feel like that's the precursor, you know. Like, well, we already know you're here illegally, and then you got your citizenship, so you already broke a law, and we have proof of it because you try to get your you got your citizenship, but then you know, like at that point, how far does it go? Because Mum Dani up in New York, he'd be the first one I'd get rid of.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

I would say show an example, pass a law stating that no American citizen can hold citizenship of another nation. Okay, and any that currently do are deported to the nation of their other citizenship.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Man, you're we're gonna lose like half our Jews, yeah. Where would we only have cards from then, Rob?

SPEAKER_01 17:58

You're gonna hate me for this, but the Knights of Columbus?

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Oh man, we got rid of that.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

I didn't see that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

We we created such an uproar that got rid of it. Yeah, man, that was such a bad decision.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

But uh anyway, hold on. Yeah, so schmoop where where would you be sent to out of curiosity? Schmoopy loop, where are you going?

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Schmoopy loop.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

And I I'm I'm just saying, like, these are the sort of drastic laws that are likely we are likely to at least see discussed. That's not bad. Poland's fine. Yeah, you're not being sent to the subcontinent. I mean, I know it's not like you're going to Liberia, Croatia.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

See, that's how much great place. You know how much I would love to spend time on the Dalmatian coast.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Come on, like crabbing a river. Oh, we'll have to go to a majority white civilization. Poor me.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Yeah, Adrian lives in Birmingham or near Burn near Birmingham. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

I live out in the country for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

I mean, it could be done like if American America is this. Well, if you guys, who knows, maybe you moved it from Poland and Croatia, and you'd still be sent over. I know, I know, I know. Well, so the Crow is the Croatian Hall, it's the the big get-together place in my hometown. You know, William, where you know a lot about Minnesota and about my hometown. I'm not sure where you're from, but he's right. The crow, yeah, where would I be without the Croatian Hall? Well, or the Polish National Alliance

Restricting Entry And Denaturalization Talk

SPEAKER_01 19:45

across the street in the basement of a house.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Here's the other option. So, this was something I was toying with when the when we had the immigrant trains coming up from Mexico, and we I just kind of spitballing a lot of stuff. That would be sending you to West of 65. Did you ever see the movie? Did you ever see uh was it Diehard 4 with Samuel Jackson? Is it three or four?

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Where he's it got the board on, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Yeah, that's three. Is that three? Yeah, so that would be west of 65 of Birmingham. That's what would happen. But when we had those immigrant trains coming up from Mexico during the Biden era, I was you know, we're just spitballing some things with some people, and I was trying to come up with you know, just trying to think of like we got we gotta have a compromise because at the at that point, like there was no way we had the the gall in the United States to deport 20, what we thought at the time was 20 million people, right? Now we're like more like 50. But I was like, well, here, you know, I was like, this is my solution, right? All the you know, Mexicans basically that were here illegally, if they were working, you know, construction or whatever, to in order for them to stay here, there could be a process for them to stay here. The first thing would be they have to pay a minimum of 30% taxes for 10 years to backpay anything they didn't pay before. Because if I gotta be taxed and you have been paying taxes for 30 years, you need to catch up. First second one is you cannot vote, your children cannot vote, and your grandchildren cannot vote, but your great grandchildren can.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

And that's actually right in line with Aquinas.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Yeah, but yeah, don't worry, I pulled that up.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

I pulled it up I think I have that pulled up too, actually.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

But it because it takes generations for a for you to assume the culture of the country you're living in, right? Which is why we're what I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

I I knew shows during SSBX we we weren't gonna get any views.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

I don't care when have I ever cared. There's literally a dozen of you. Not even yet, not even. We're at 11. Yeah. How many are is it how many are on X? We just got William and talking about the crow. I uh I have 54, you have 13. See, that's not bad. No, we're creeping up on you know almost triple digits.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

We are just we are screwing Schmoop over hard. Can't vote, gonna get deported.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Look, and then third caveat is you have to join the military, and you can gain your rights to vote sooner, all uh Starship Troopers. But you have to serve in the infantry.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

I'd say at least you yeah, you have to serve in it actually.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

You can't be a box kicker, can't be admin, you gotta serve in the infantry, and then you can gain your rights to vote sooner. You gotta put some skin in the game. I would say minimum eight years.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

One other caveat. They would ideally have to at least initially live in a historically Hispanic area, like Texas? Texas, yeah, basically in the southwest.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

Okay. I'll allow that. Bye Shoopy. I'll send you a postcard. Why can't you you can join the military?

SPEAKER_01 23:35

Yeah, trust me, you probably would much rather be in America, the American military than the Polish military with what Russia might end up doing.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

So, Sean, the the reason I say in the infantry is because you enculturate a whole lot faster when you're in a infantry line unit where basically the other guys in your platoon can bring you up to speed, we'll say. There will be extracurricular activities that happen to make sure you get in line.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

No, we wouldn't make Schmoop live in the Southwest. No, you live in like New York City or something. No, yeah, he's Polish, he's got to live in Chicago.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Yeah, that's true. You gotta live in Chicago.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Polish people's army, as in the communist army, trying to tell us something there, Schmoop you're a communist sympathizer. Gonna have to go McCarthy on Schmoop. He said yes. Well, at least jumping up to it. Odyssey counts for something.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Just as long as you don't tell us you like your grandfather was a tower guard at Auschwitz.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

No, his uncle was what something what's the first name? Last name Jabinski. The Polish Jew went and fought with uh the leahy in Israel.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

All right, so the list of I'm gonna let you why don't you go over the Thomas Aquinas principles on citizenship?

SPEAKER_01 25:26

I guess first do we want to, you know, neither of us obviously are philosophers.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

I'm definitely not.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

I did uh major in international relations in college, but I did not graduate with uh huh worthless degree, right? 100% yep. But uh, should you and I try to come to a definition

A “Compromise” Plan For Illegals

SPEAKER_01 25:50

of of what a nation is?

SPEAKER_00 25:53

Do you got one ready that you like?

SPEAKER_01 25:57

I mean, kind of. So nation comes this the it has the same base, the let's say Latin base is like nativity, right? So it basically it comes from the base to be born. So a nation really is a a group of people that all have common descent, common ancestry, and you know, uh from that then you know would flow like common language, common culture, common, you know, food, common religion, all that sort of stuff. So that that's so a nation is a a group of people all with that sort of common descent and common heritage. Whereas I think today a lot of people, when they say nation, they mean nation state, right? Which is the you know, the a state based upon a nation. Whereas there are a lot of nations without states, the Basque, for instance, over in Spain and France, they're a nation, but they have no state. The Romani, native Native Americans, you know, even though some of them do have technically sovereign states that can build casinos. But Roman, like the Romani, the gypsies, more or less, they're a nation without a state. So I think this birthright citizenship doesn't destroy the American state, right? It doesn't destroy America as as a political unit, but I think it does destroy our ability to have an American nation. And I you on one hand, I think you could argue that maybe there has never truly been an American nation, that maybe America has been a polity of multiple smaller nations, you know, whether each individual US state maybe could be its own nation, or you know, you could argue like the South could be a nation, or or Appalachia could possibly be a nation. I don't know, but I think even if you don't define America historically as a whole, as a nation, I think you could argue that this birthright citizenship is going to destroy every smaller nation within the American state.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

It's it's definitely going to upend a lot of the culture we have here in the United States that is a derivative or a descendant of a really what I mean, we are we are really just Christendom Europe transplanted. Right? So my I have always said back in the 1800s, all the best Catholics left Europe and came to the United States. Right? The the Catholics who had the most adventurous spirit, the mo the most desire for magnanimity, right? The the capability of a more of a courageous spirit, and it it depleted the gene pool in Europe, which then was depleted in even more with World War I and World War II. Yeah, right, because you you there was a book I read a while ago, it's all about the the hero gene, right? And basically the hero gene itself selects itself to be eradicated, right? The heroes who will sacrifice themselves for people they don't know, right? And so that that that gene doesn't nor doesn't always have the capability of progressing on through procreation because those people tend to lose their life before they have the capability to do that, yeah. Right, and which is probably why we're seeing and it it's not like the United States is is immune to the effects of effeminacy, but I think they've had to incorporate much more drastic measures here to inculcate us in that. I'm using a lot of big words, sorry. Yeah, watch out there, Tim Gordon. I'll I'll dumb it down. I I think they've had to put a lot a lot more strategies in place to get us to where we are on par with Europe through our food source, through our entertainment, through our technology, which then makes us lazy. And so they they've then now that's spreading to the rest of the world from the United States because it a lot of it originates here and then spreads from there because of capitalism. But and I think it's had a very great effect. I think they've almost got us to where they want us. But I I also believe that because these people are atheist and they hate God, they don't understand the inclination or the human spirit that God gave us to seek truth and to seek the capability to honor Him as best we can. Because some people are they they think they're they're honoring themselves by going to the gym all the time and you know eating clean and and trying to and trying to you know raise themselves through their careers and make more money, and they think they're doing it for the steps, but they've

What A Nation Is And Isn’t

SPEAKER_00 31:40

created their own religion when they do that. And so they're trying to honor a God that they aren't even aware of. We have a lot of that in the United States because it's taken longer for them to try and beat us down because we are such an advanced, we had so many people move here whose goal was to make a better life for themselves and their family, and we then weren't willing to just accept the status quo and just accept whatever happens to them. They wanted to go out and make a better life. So we're at a point now where we've got at the genesis of our country was a lot of Europeans who came here, but now we've got a lot of third world countries coming here that have no desire for the common good.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

It's all about what at least for the the American common good, not even that for their like that's true, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Yeah, I think especially like you know, India, sub-Saharan, Africa. There is no appreciation. Their culture is all about doing whatever you need to to improve your own good, or you know, to at the expense of others, at the yeah, at the end of others, like the amount of death you will see in a lot of these third world countries where they just do not value life whatsoever. I've talked about it on here before with with uh condolence payments for accidentally killing Afghanis, and they would put their kids in danger to so they get killed, so they get paid more money, right? Or the amount of people like the Haitians and stuff who try and get over here on boats, and they'll throw their kids off the boat so they can try and get here faster. Right, they don't care, there's no sanctity of life to these people, and it's not for lack of trying. Like we've we've tried to give them the Christian religion for hundreds of years, and it's just not sticking in areas in with in peoples where it was Catholicism that was introduced, it largely has stuck.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

I mean, for instance, in India, the Gowens, like I don't know if if Paul, for instance, is Gowen, but but like the Gowens in in India who were settled colonized by the Portuguese, you know, they're uh they really do have a largely Catholic culture that we would well it's still obviously not European, it's obviously going, it's a lot more compatible, right, with with European Christian cultures. Where you know, the where the British colonized in India, they're still largely Muslim and Hindu, and you know, and the the the Christian communities that are there are are Catholic communities from you know literally St. Francis Xavier in the 1500s. So I think in many cases, yeah, you're right. You know, many of these cultures where Protestant missionaries went, it largely didn't stick. But you know, it for instance, I mean, in the Americas, you know, you have the French, French and Indian Matis culture, which is largely Catholic, whereas how many uh American Indian tribes, you know, these days are hardly anything, like not even their own religion, let alone any sort of Christian Christianity.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

The the only evangelization that stuck with any Native American tribes was the Catholic religion. Yeah, that was it. Like anytime because the Protestants were so heavy-handed, with it was convert or die, pretty much. It was basically white Islam for a lot of these people, and not all of them, all right. So I'm not I'm not trying to you know put a blanket over the whole thing, but a lot of times, I mean I mean all the stories that because I grew up growing up in Kentucky, we my family had have you know a little bit of blackfeet Indian in us, right? Up north, but in Kentucky, especially there's a lot of Cherokee, and the stories I would hear from these old Cherokee men of and like you can still see the scars on their hands and on their backs and such from going to some of these Protestant conversion schools and and the abuse they took, and the fact that they didn't hate them for that shows the the charity in their heart that God gave them to not hang on to that. But we we also have to look at the situation where a lot of these third world countries, even after you know, hundreds of years of trying to evangelize them, they just don't have the mental capacity to operate in any type of civilized society, which is why they're still tribal living in mud huts and you know flinging poo at each other.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Do you so would you would you personally say that there is or at least point was some sort of unified like American nation?

SPEAKER_00 37:35

I think I think prior to the 80s when America was 90% white, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

I mean, I I can definitely see an argument for it, but at the same time, like you know, and maybe this has become more stark since I don't know, it's hard to say, right? Because like in 100 years ago, 150 years ago, you know, I think I think you could argue, for instance, like the the Union of the Confederacy in the Civil War. I I think you really could argue that those really were two separate nations, right? That they really were two separate cultures, largely two separate peoples. You know, the the north largely were were of English descent, the south was largely of you know Scott-Irish descent, at least in some areas. Obviously, there a lot of the planters maybe were were of English origin, but but there were definitely two different cultures, uh largely two different religions, and the north was largely like what's it called? Congregationalist, whereas the south was largely yeah, Anglican.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

But there was enough there was that was in common. Yeah, there was they still had a culture, they just there's a few things they deviated from, right? So, like even in the Appalachians, where it's mostly Scotch-Irish, you still have people in to be honest with you, that's probably one of the few areas in America that hasn't really been touched by immigration, just because it's inhospitable to live there. What area? The Appalachians, yeah, like the the mountains of you know West Virginia down through Kentucky into Tennessee and up through Pennsylvania. And it's just it's not that's not a desirable place to live. Uh, so the people that have basically plotted out their land there and and created their enclaves that it's still mostly untouched.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Were you were you ever a big Firefly fan? A little bit, a little bit. So you know the uh the crazy space barbarians, the the reavers, the reap reapers, the reavers, whatever it was. Reavers. Do you know where they got that name from? So there were a group of uh Scottish clans along the border between England and Scotland that were called the Reaver clans, and they would basically raid both you know Scottish and English land and territory for centuries, and then they they became known as the Reavers. And then when England went to try to pacify Ireland, they took they wanted also pass to they also wanted to pacify the border with Scotland, so they moved all the reaver clans over into like Ulster, you know. So that's how you like the the Northern Irish largely are Scottish Reavers. And then when you know, then when colonization to America opened up, England will and England was like, Well, let's get these people a little bit further away and move them all to America, and most of the Appalachians were settled by these Reaver clans that have been causing issues over in England and Scotland for hundreds of years.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

It's interesting you bring that up because a long a long time ago, back when I was a low libertarian, there was I can't remember her name, she was a constitutional lawyer, but she would give a lecture on where sheriffs came from. Because her her theory was as long as we had good sheriffs, that was the last line from the federal government impeding on a county, right? So her goal was to get strong sheriffs everywhere. But she was talking about the etymology of sheriff and where it comes from, and actually comes from Shire Reeves, right? So Shire chieftains, pretty much, or village chieftains, right?

SPEAKER_01 41:52

Because in England they didn't have so, like

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SPEAKER_01 41:55

in France, you have counties ruled by counts. In England, you had like you know, you have Yorkshire, Oxfordshire, you know, these Shires, like you said, ruled by sheriffs, based basically an English count. Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

So I don't know, I just thought that was an interesting piece of information I'd never heard of before. Because that that was back in the day, like where the the uh oath keepers were big, right? And the uh constitutional sheriffs association and all that. Oh, yeah. But uh when it so do we want to get into the Thomas Aquinas? Yes, on first you guys you want me to do mine?

SPEAKER_01 42:35

Well, I guess first, so we can talk about what what Aquinas says about citizenship, but we I don't know if before or after, but at some point we should talk about like what rights a nation itself has. So did you ever used to listen to Trad Patrick? I think I listened to one of his shows and then he insulted my wife at some point.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

So then how did you how did he insult your wife?

SPEAKER_01 43:07

It was on Twitter back when he was on Twitter. It was like in 2020 or 2021.

SPEAKER_00 43:15

That was like right before he he just disappeared. He he was like the the old man Nick Fuentes. He's like a traditional Catholic old man Nick Fuentes, but uh where's I go with that? I I don't know. The rights of nations. Oh, okay, okay. So he had that show called Rights and Duties, right? And I like I've been thinking about that a lot lately. We we keep talking about how we have rights. Yeah, you have the bill of rights, right? We have a right, you know, to uh the pursuit of happiness, all that right. But I I was trying to I I think I remember Guys, remember, I'm not a theologian, like I'm not theologians, we're not philosophers. So, like, I'm trying to like I'm remembering things that have although you do have a college degree. I do have a college degree, so yeah. If a dumb Marine can get a college degree, so can you.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

The this show has officially one more degree than wait, no, because you have both a high school diploma and a college diploma. This show has two more degrees. Oh, just like Anthony. I got the D D cap. Okay, this show officially has one more degree, point example.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

But so there was a couple of things he he would bring up a lot, is how we keep talking about our rights, but we don't have rights, God has rights, we have duties to God, right?

SPEAKER_01 44:54

Now we have things that through natural law we through injustice, we have we have we have the rights to fulfill those duties, correct?

SPEAKER_00 45:06

Yeah, right, but that's not in the way that it's used in common parlance now. It's well, I have a right to as if that can't be impeded on.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

I guess we just need this guy to do the show.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

Yeah, just come on.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

You just are all listening. That perfect.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

I'll just take a back seat, I'll just listen. But we that's not the way it's used now. It's it's used as if our rights are what's the term, sacrosanct. Yeah, right. They're they're almost like sacraments, right? Right?

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Or that that they're inherent, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

And it I mean it also boils into authority, right? So, like with the founding of the United States, where these United States, that the authority of our government was derived from the people, which is inverted from where their authority really comes from, and it comes from God, yeah, right. So, even with rights, we have we have inverted it and we have perverted it into something that it is not. Now, it's not to say that we can't use the terms in the which the way everyone else is, but we we especially as Catholics need to properly understand what we're talking about. Because if you don't have a good understanding of it, then you you risk going down that same road as you know, Protestants and atheists trying to impose their capability of doing whatever they want because they have a right to do it, right? Or they and another issue is like the difference between liberty and uh license, right? You know, but we'll get into that a minute. I'll go get into it, but anyway. All right, so what do you got? So where you where you want to go on?

SPEAKER_01 46:59

So, you know, for for instance, in the uh the Israel debate, right? Yeah, you know, one side argues that Israel has a right to exist, the other, you know, the other side argues against that. Now, I think so. First off, a nation, as properly defined, does have a a right to exist, right?

SPEAKER_00 47:26

A state if it can defend itself, no, no, a state, sure, but a nation, no, like if we're we so for instance, we're going back to the definition we used in the beginning, not the common colloquial references, correct.

SPEAKER_01 47:46

Yeah, right. I'm I'm making it a I'm making a distinction between nation and one more a nation like a person, like a person once once a person exists, it has uh they have a right to exist, right? Yeah, it it not so much in like obvious not being immortal, but like you cannot deprive a person unjustly of their existence. The same can be said of a nation, you can't deprive a nation unjustly of its existence. To do so would be would be genocide. A state, though, you know, a state obviously is different, uh a political entity has no right to continue to exist as a political entity, right? So if a state declares war on you and you beat them in that war and destroy that state, you know, that that was just you know, you didn't violate any sort of right, but you can't wipe that people, that nation, right, off the map. That nation that the that people still have has a right to exist. So I think that's one of the one of the ways this like the debate with Israel is confused, is you know, when we when we say that the state of Israel does not have a right to exist, we are not saying that the Jewish people does not have a right to exist as a people, right? You know, we're we're saying that the state of Israel does not have a right to exist, and also not every nation has a right to a state, right? You know, so we're we're not saying the Jewish people shouldn't exist, we're saying that maybe Israel shouldn't exist and that the Jews don't necessarily have a right to a political state named Israel or any political state necessarily, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:37

Well, because if we're using the example of Israel, Israel was taken away from the Jews, yes, they no longer have a birthright to it, right? They have a right to exist, like you said, and they have to, and we need them to, you know, to fulfill the hint times. Uh but like you said, they the state of Israel does not have a right to exist unless it can protect itself. And I would even go so far as to say the state of Israel was fraudulently founded, yes, and it was stolen. If we want to talk about stolen land, it was stolen from the nation of people that live there.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

And now they are working to destroy the actual nation, not they've removed the state from you know of from that nation, and now they are working to actually destroy that nation itself.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

And I can tell you from conversations I've had with these people is no one hates an Ashkenazi Jew more than a Sephardic Jew, especially a Sephardic Jew that's from you not Sephardic Mizrahi, Sephardic Jews are like Spanish Jews, right? But there was Sephardic Jews that lived in Palestine prior to 1947. No, those those are Mizrahi Jews. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

Okay, oh you're okay. You're saying there were both Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

Because and you that so a lot, uh I don't say a lot. I will say a good number of Orthodox Jews do not believe the state of Israel should exist either. Yes, that's true. Because they recognize that that land was taken from them as well. Yeah, which is where we you know we get into the issue with you know dispensationalism, and and really the only reason that Israel exists is because of dispensationalists. If it weren't for the support of America, after World War II, the state of Israel would not exist. And the only reason that the state of Israel continues to exist, two reasons, is through American really unilateral control of the world for a period of almost 15 years old. Unipolar, yeah, yeah, unipolar. Sorry, thanks. I told you I'm a marine, words are hard, um, and and blackmail. That's really the only reason that it really exists. Epstein wasn't the first Epstein guy. No, he was not, and he's not the last. Someone replaced Epstein.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

Yeah, they don't just get rid of that with all the replacement.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

Look, think of think of Epstein as your uh you'd appreciate this ocean, as your local plug, right? He's providing you with your with your street pharmaceuticals, and your local plug gets snatched up, taken to prison. The desire for what he sold does not go away. Someone has to replace him. So someone replaced Epstein, we just don't know who that person is yet.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

I never thought we'd be talking about how Epstein is like a drug dealer.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

First of all, never threaten to do that, Ocean. Second of all, that's like 75% of women, man. So it's just not look good for you.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Here's the thing a woman may have more intelligence than you, but that doesn't mean she's capable of outsmarting you. Women have a lot of emotion and irrationality that get in the way of any intelligence that they have, they can absolutely. Once again, this is not in the common usage, but a nation has a right to self-determination. Now, in common usage, right, that was the that idea was the the genesis of like nationalism, where suddenly all these nations of people thought they had rights to states. For instance, you know, Italy, you know, the the the Italian peoples work, you know, ended up being convinced by the Masons that they had a right to an Italian an overall Italian state. The German peoples, you know, were convinced by Prussia that they had the right to a German state instead of a Holy Roman Empire, so on and so forth. And they used the word self-determination for that. But when I say self-determination, I mean that a nation has the right to determine on their own who has membership in their nation. You know what I mean? Like it's another like governmental entity can't tell a people that a government entity doesn't get to decide who you know who is and is not like a nation. So the UN or even our own government, you know,

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SPEAKER_01 55:05

like like this birthright citizenship. A person might be a citizen of the state that controls the United States, but that government can't can't force these people into whatever nation or nations we may have. You know, even if even if a person doesn't say America as a whole is a nation, you know, someone from the the US government can't tell you that someone fresh off the the boat from India suddenly is a southerner. It doesn't work that way, right? You know, you you guys get to decide who is and is a southerner, for instance.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

Yeah, and and really just comes down to your assimilation to the culture you're going to, right? Because we got we got Asians down here that have a thicker accent than I do.

SPEAKER_01 55:56

Then yeah, and and are Uber Baptist and super racist and cook really good fried food, you know, like especially the Koreans.

SPEAKER_00 56:05

So if anything, if anything that the black folk gave to the Koreans was fried chicken, and the Koreans just made it better. I don't know if you've ever had a Korean fried chicken, but it's I have not, but I would try it.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

It's phenomenal.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

Uh yeah, well, which is which is like E. Michael Jones keeps bringing up this theory, and he and he keeps spouting it that you know, if uh if a you know Kenyan moves to Ireland and learns to speak language and is there for 20 years, well now he's Irish. And that's just so repugnant to common sense that I don't understand this. Is this my problem with smart people who know they're smart, right? They think that everything that comes out of their mouth is an idea that no one else has heard before, and then they've thought through every angle of it so they can't possibly be any holes in it whatsoever, right? And EMJ is one of those guys, dude's super smart and some things, like but between that and the church, especially after Vatican II and his blind binders with that, he's extremely dumb and just unwilling. I don't say it's he's not he's dumb, he has cognitive dissonance, he's unwilling to accept the facts that will change his opinion. He is a boomer. And then that's a whole other thing.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

Hold on, I've I'm sorry. Apparently, I get into trouble when I call certain people boomers on the show, even when it's just a fact. And then Anthony's got to apologize to a bunch of so-called men who feel like they need a white knight or a boomer woman.

SPEAKER_00 58:03

Look, I know we don't have any women that watch the show, but uh if you're willing to go toe-to-toe with a man, be be willing to be treated like a man's gonna treat another man. Yeah, that's a good point, you know, and and which is a big pet peeve of mine. I have when we what when these movies come out, right? And there's like a 115-pound girl, and she's like beating up all these 250-pound men. Like, do you that's like being hit by a child? It really is. It's so but 30 years of these movies coming out now have emboldened women to think that they're just a smarter man, like they're just like men, they're just smarter than us, right? And uh, so they think they can do everything that a man can. So when they get smacked in the face by a man and they realize how much strength is behind a man, that's about the only time they change their opinion, right? But it unfortunately has to come to that point with some women, which it shouldn't, right? Like my girls, right? I've got three girls, and when I wrestle with them, right, when they well, they try to wrestle with me anyway, and they realize like how strong I am. My girls have a healthy opinion of the hurt that a man can do just by rough housing with me, right? They I got two of my girls like to hang around my feet and let me drag them around the house, and they'll just like slide the whole time because we got wood floors, and so I so then I'll get on the ground and like all right, now you pull me, and like they can't like they can't even move a centimeter, right? They can't, it's not even close, right? And so that that helps give them that idea, that understanding of the disparity in strength, not only that, but the capacity for violence that men have. Women, for whatever reason, have believed the lies that they can affect violence on the same level as a man can, and it's I mean, it is orders of magnitude less.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

It is not only that, but I don't think most men even realize most modern men realize the level of disparity.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

No, which is why probably it's probably why some men who end up hitting a woman will hurt them far more than they intended to because they don't understand how on top of that, women are not psychologically prepared for the violence that men anybody can do, some men are not, right? Especially men who grew up in a city and they've you know they know they don't know where their food comes from, and they've never been in a fight, which unfortunately is a lot of men who've never been in a fight, never been punched in the face or anything. They're not psychologically able to process the violence that men are capable of at all. And it you know, I used to find out in the Marines all the time when we would do just like sparring sessions, guys would fold after the first punch because they weren't prepared to deal with it, and then we'd have to make them get up and like no, you're gonna keep going until you give it back as good as you're getting it, and after about five or ten minutes, they figure it out, and it takes training to get there because a lot of these young men were not raised with fathers of any type of masculine cape capability. A man who knows violence is going to be the most gentle man you know, yeah, because he knows what he's capable of, and he doesn't want to risk using that unless he absolutely has to if he has any sort of virtue at all. Yeah, but if you have impulse control issues, you're gonna have a hard time, you're probably going to prison. So let's put it out there. So what so I want to read through this portion on the St. Thomas Aquinas that I found, and this is really just a AI summary, and I hate that I'm using AI, but it actually did a good job. Um so St. Thomas Aquinas argues

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SPEAKER_00 1:02:30

that citizenship is a privilege tied to the common good and requires deep integration, not automatic conferral upon arrival. And then it references the sumo. So he distinguishes basically between like simple citizenship, but rights like voting and restricted citizenship, which would be like residency. And he's basically saying that full political rights are usually held for those whose commitment to the nation's common good is established. Like they've they've shown some skin in the game, pretty much. They're paying taxes, they own property, they have businesses, they have raised families there, who have married into other families. Like they have a desire to see their local and greater nation do better because they want to provide more and better environment for their family. Now, this was also back when people actually cared about their family. Um and unfortunately, we had a generation that it would cause a huge cataclysm in that, and they just don't care about their families, especially their kids. But we're seeing, but we're also now we're seeing with millennials some late Gen X, a lot of millennials, and going into the Gen Z a very far swing on the pendulum the other way, where they value their family more than anything, which is there's nothing wrong with that, right? But you shouldn't neglect your duty to other people at you know at you shouldn't neglect your duty to people outside your family in priority to.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:27

Yeah, yeah. Uh Aquinas at some point says that if foreigners were admitted to the affairs of the innation, the nation as soon as they arrived, since foreigners not yet having the common good firmly at heart might attempt something hurtful to the people. And I think we see that very, very drastically with things like Somali fraud, H1B abuse, you know, things of that nature where where the Somalis, even though many of them are second generation, they they they still do not yet have like the common good of the American nation, right, firmly planted in their heart. So they do a lot of stuff that is harmful to the common good, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:18

Which is also a reason why he says it should be two to three generations before someone is is really embedded in the culture and is desiring it its common good because it takes that long, like and we see it all through scripture, like it takes multiple generations for something to stick, yeah. Which not to bring it back to the SSPX, but I'm going to anyway. It has been almost two generations since Vatican II. Yes, we're we're starting to see the narrative around Vatican II start to collapse because a lot of the spirit of Vatican II. To was not based in truth. And eventually truth wins out. Which is probably why there's such a huge push to just try to do Vatican II harder. We gotta do even better. Vatican II's never been tried before. Uh and it's just not sticking because there are issues with the way it was promulgated, and then the surrounding implementation of it that was contrary to the truth that was her sleep prior to it. So another another one I liked was the exceptions for virtue. So he's basically the he was saying the rules are not rigid. Individuals could be granted citizenship earlier through dispensation for extraordinary acts of virtue or service, which goes to my you know serving the military example, right? If you serve the military and you fight in you know war against an enemy of the United States, I'm willing to give you citizenship earlier than two or three generations. You've kind of earned it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:12

Let's see. Another one goes in Aquinas notes that the nations have the right to exclude those deemed hostile or harmful to the community while ensuring peaceful strangers and travelers are treated with charity and justice. With the World Cup going on right now. We I don't know if you've watched any of these videos, but just the massive amount of videos of Europeans putting it out on social media, shocked at what America's actually like.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

Right, they're shocked, especially when they go to a lot of these small towns, and it's yeah, because most of Europeans, when they come here, they go to all the big cities, you know, Los Angeles, San Diego, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, whatever, right? Philadelphia. But when they go to these small towns, they get to meet actual Americans, right? And who have a culture, right? And especially when they get into like rural Texas, they're really shocked. But when they come here, and as Aquinas says, they're they're peaceful strangers, they are given a preference above those that have come here illegally and who still have priority for their previous nation. So a lot of illegal immigrants come to like LA and still fly the Mexican flag. They gotta go. Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

You know, like hold on, shoop's about Schmoop's about to tell us he still flies the Polish flag. Oh, we're just waiting for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:40

The the communist Polish flag. Look, if the Europeans learn anything from us, it should be the fact that you should have AC. There is no reason you should have 1,300 people die from a 88-degree heat wave.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Hold on, it's it is way more than 1300. I think in France it was 1300.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:04

Okay, and hold on, let me find it real quick. I think I saw a stat that said more people die from heat waves in Europe than we have gun deaths.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:15

Oh, it's it's multiple times more. Hold on, I'm pretty sure I bookmarked this on Twitter. Give me a second. If not, it sucks because I was even thinking of sending it to you. Yeah, and this guy I didn't bookmark it. It was a graph that so I think no AC, no free water, no free, yeah, no ice and drinks. No, they don't do ice and drinks. I know free refills, they're shocked. Yep, you and in restaurants there, you have to ask them to bring you the bill, they'll never just bring you the bill, they'll let you sit there for hours drinking warm, warm drinks, no AC. That's not working, idiots. But I I didn't find it. But there I saw a graph and it showed the number of American gun homicides, right, which is about 15,000 a year, and that number varies, of course, but 15 to 30,000, 30,000 at the absolute maximum. Uh, whereas the number of heat deaths in Europe on the average year, I think was like 60,000, and then the number of deaths from diarrhea in India was like hundreds of thousands. But but for instance, the medical malpractice in the US, 250,000 deaths a year.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:44

You know, when I was a I was just talking about this with a client earlier, actually. When I was a firefighter paramedic and we were bringing patients to the hospital, Taffy, Taffy, you're a genius. He's always on it. But from September through December at the hospital, when we would bring patients there, it was called the killing season. Because that's when new doctors would be assigned to hospitals, and they were responsible for more hospital-related deaths, the new doctors were, yeah, than anything else in the hospital. Like there was like a you had like a 400% higher chance of dying just because of a new doctor taking care of you. 176,000?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:27

Yeah, yep. So now this is this is a little different. So this includes all gun deaths, which right off the bat, you know, half of those are suicide, and then of the homicides, it's something like 90% of the homicides are black gang violence, right? But but still, even total number of deaths, including suicides, is the the the rates per people, 14 per 100,000 people, whereas in Europe, 40 per 100,000 people will die of heat.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:04

We don't we need just to get them air conditioning.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:10

You know, I like how I they all they're like our buildings are sold, they you know, they didn't have central air, but then they're not designed for central air, dude. There's have you ever heard of window window acs, portable ACs?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

Our poorest people have air conditioning. Yes. What are we doing? We just need to conquer Europe and give them air conditioning.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:31

They would greet us as a little bit of a every American needs to sponsor a European to give you know and save money to where at the end of a year they can buy that European an air conditioner.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:46

Do you know what a swamp heater is or or a swamp cooler? Actually, did you mean a swamp cooler? I hate that name, by the way. You gotta change that.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:54

Now, how how fancy, like how fancy are we talking here? Because I've seen some where you you know you got a cooler, we got ice in it, and then in that ice, you got a you have basically a closed system where it pumps water through copper coil, you know, a copper coil in the ice, pumps it up to a fan on top that has that copper coil in front of it, and it just keeps doing that.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:21

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, in very humid areas works great. Actually, good, very good point. That is true. That is true. That's why now, how many of them froze to death from not having heat from no Russian oil?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:41

Oh, that's a good question. Europe annual excess mortality attributed cold, Europe annual excess mortality attributed to cold.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:58

That's a good question. I don't even know if their cars have AC. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:06

So you know how the number for heat was 176,000? Yeah, the number for cold 204,000.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:16

That's like 400,000 people almost a year in Europe who die from improper heat or cold. We just need to liberate them and give them C drill heating and air, and they will breed us.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:34

This isn't even that that far off, believe it or not. And yeah, it is it is sad in and I mean obviously there are people in the US who die from not having heat when they should, and not having AC when they should too. Like it does exist here, too, but yeah, I guess we're not so stubborn about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:56

That's usually elderly people, uh, who are on a fixed income and they don't want to pay for the extra power, so they think they just can tough it out, or they don't have AC. Like, there's a lot of times in in Kentucky growing up, my dad would go around to all the old folks around our neighborhood and buy them fans in the summers, like just little box fans, little $20 box fans, because they would not use their AC because it was too expensive, they thought it was too expensive, it wasn't worth it. So he'd get them a box fan and you know, open up some windows just to we wouldn't have to walk by a house and see them sitting in a chair decomposing.

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SPEAKER_01 1:15:31

Up up where I'm at, you know, we don't there's no like natural gas pipelines up here, you know, in most cities in the US, obviously. Yeah, so up here you either have a big propane tank outside your house or you have a fuel oil tank inside your house. And you know, it's not like natural gas where you pay the you know the the the utility you know every month and the the gas just keeps coming, like right. Yeah, they're they're they've in the last decade or two they've begun doing like annual payment plans where you pay approximately the same every month, but a lot of people don't do that, so they run out of fuel oil and they gotta buy a hundred a hundred gallons of fuel oil or a hundred gallons of propane. You know, it's not a a monthly bill of two three hundred bucks, it's you know, a hundred gallons or more, depending on the size of your tank, can run you a thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:30

Ten dollars a gallon.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:33

It it it's it, I mean, it's not that much, but some of the tanks are like 300 gallon yeah, tanks and like propane, yeah, that that could reach you, that could reach you a thousand bucks, and you know the the company might not be able to get out to you to to deliver it right then, or we you might just have gotten a blizzard, and if they can't reach your tank, they they can't deliver it, you know what I mean. So, like if an elderly person on fixed income runs out, they they might not be able to get it filled in a few few days, and up here when it's negative 40, that will they'll kill you pretty quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:09

You know, I would see a situation like that would be a good opportunity for like a parish to you know look at their 65 and older population, which is some of these parishes, probably 100. Yeah, just going through like hey, we've got a couple people gonna come around checking all these people right, you know, in like August, right? Yeah to make sure, hey, where where you at on fuel for the year, right? Uh or for the winter, you know, because y'all's winter can last into May, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:40

It's generally uh, yeah, it could easily be October through May.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:46

But just go around check on these people, you know. That'd be a it we're we're just so isolated now that we don't even know our own neighbors, and there's no desire until Christ, because what when crisis hits, most often people in the United States anyway will do the right thing and help out their neighbors. Yeah, we especially see it in the south, and I know up in the Midwest that they can as well, you know, Northeast might be a little bit harder, but but they would normally when a crisis happens they will help all their neighbors, but prior to that crisis happening, there's no desire to even know who your neighbors are. And this is yeah, this is the isolation that was that has basically been the product of the automobile and of constant moving for jobs and chasing a higher income among your children, so then they're not even in the same community as you anymore. You know, and then it's it's it's hard to not look at all this stuff and not think there and it may not be a human design, it's more than likely a diabolic design, but it looks like it was designed for it to end up this way, just the way things keep playing out.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:13

What is this in regard to swash?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:20

I'm not sure. You need to get thermals and go out there, even if you just got a little 22, yeah, get a thermal scope, go out there with a little 22, take care of that thing. Yeah, the invention of AC in the south is why you're starting to see the south's population increase. Because, like in the 60s, really before AC really took off, like the population out here was very small. But now they've got AC everywhere, you're starting to see the population skyrocket. A lot of people want to move down here now because of it. But in the event that we have some type of power outage or brownouts, you're gonna have a whole lot of people trying to move out of here. They're not gonna be able to handle it. Like anyway, I was talking, I was talking to a client today, and we're talking about her her power bills, you know, because I'm trying to get an idea of like what her expenses are and everything. She's oh I'll pay, you know, she's got like a 2,500 square foot house. She's like, I'll pay about 150 a month. I was like, all right, that's it. Uh 2500 square foot house. It's an older house, so it's not like it's got great insulation. I was like, that's it. I was like, well, what do you keep your AC on? She's like, I don't know, probably like 78. 78? Like, you're cooking. What are we doing? You you want to know what mine's set to right now? I don't I don't want to know because it's probably 70 degrees outside.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:44

It is currently 74 outside right now. It's close. I have it set to 66.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:51

There you go. Like throughout the day, ours is usually 72, 73. Yeah, and then at night I put it down to about 68, 69. Because I gotta have it cold when I go to sleep. But man, I like I could not survive very well down here. I would be a grumpy, grumpy person if I didn't have I see what so there's your reason. Polish and you keep it to 80, are you nuts? So the grandparents at 80, right, keep it on eight. That's because they're on blood thinners and they're cold all the time. They're cold all the time. So they need it hot. That's why your grandparents your grandparents are black, they're not used to the cold weather. Unless you're adopted, then it's the blood thinners. I mean, maybe maybe. I mean, there is a big thing. Yeah, but 66 is better. Yeah, like 70. I mean, because you're I mean, although if you can get used to 80, your power bill's probably pretty pretty nice. You're probably paying half what I'm paying. What did I say? That's any different than what I've been saying all night. Like I I I have a hard like I have leather seats in my car, and

Charity To Strangers And Cultural Loyalty

SPEAKER_00 1:22:20

I have a hard time getting in the car sometimes because especially if I'm wearing shorts, it'll burn the snot out of me. Yeah. It's horrible. Southern Jason. Jason is Southern. He is from Texas, isn't he? Yeah. So as far as like the birthright citizenship thing goes, we'll get back on topic a little bit. Project out 10 years from now. Where do you see things going? In in general or just downstream of this decision.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:06

I think some point significantly before then, like within the next five years, I think things turn violent. Between people wanting to keep foreigners out and foreigners wanting to get in and stay in. You know, like I I think I I yeah, I I think I think both sides are gonna turn violent.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:37

Do you think that timeline would coincide with a change in admin of the 2028 election? Because you know if the Democrats come in, those immigrant trains are just marching across the border. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:53

Yeah, they yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think, well, if you know, if things go to the the I don't want to say liberals because both sides are liberal, but if things go to the left's leftists in the next election, then the next national election, then yeah, I think I think you we will have a obviously a flood of immigrants like we didn't even see under Biden. And those who don't want that will, I think, you know, especially especially those who really don't have a a Christian sense of morality will will turn to violence to to stop it. And you know, I think in some some in some sense some of it could be uh justified. For instance, like some of what we were seeing in Belfast is a citizen damaging property that is paid for by their taxes actually destroying someone else's property? You know what I mean? Like like if if if the like if they're destroying all the subsidized housing projects are damaged to the point where no one wants to live in them, is that damage caused by a citizen really damage to someone else's property?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:35

See, I I think that the line is so gray there because our taxes go to so much garbage now. Yeah, you you could you could write you you'd have a case to say you're the rightful owner of a lot. I mean, I could say I'm the rightful owner of a mile of internet or interstate 20 out here, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:54

You know, it's so it's so hard, yeah. At what point does the government does the state become at what at what point do they no longer have authority, like legitimate authority? I and I don't know the answer to that. It did sound that way, but I guess what I'm trying to get at is like all the classic theologians were rather against like rebellion, right? But a lot of but they also still recognize that there are times when it is just when a government does lose legitimate authority, you know, right? But I don't want to be I don't want to be the the Americanist who's who says you know the government's lost the you know because the will that the no the will of the people is no longer being represented by the government, therefore it's not legitimate. No, you know, as Catholics, we don't believe the government gets its legitimacy from the will of the people, they get it's it gets it from God. So at what point does it lose its legitimacy from God? And honestly, we've we're probably long past that since the government, you know, slaughters children in the womb. Like I have to imagine.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:27

Or even a more recent example, when we find out that our vote doesn't count and that entire elections are stolen from us, like we like in 2020. Like, there's not if you can keep it up with the the amount of information coming out about that, but we are like that entire election was fraudulent, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:48

But in a Catholic worldview, does that actually delegitimize a government?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:53

Well, if the government you live under is under the auspices that you have a you have a vote for the person. Person that is put in power above you, right? And if you find out that they a majority of the people don't they don't even count your vote, right? Or they assign your vote to a different selection. At that point, I would say that person's illegitimately in power. And that just might be the Americanism in me speaking, right? But that's that's the only thing I can really wrap my head around it, yeah. Because I'm I'm not as educated as some other guys, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:25

I uh and I don't necessarily disagree with that. I I think though we could probably I would say that a government loses its authority when it no longer even attempts to work for the common good,

Air Conditioning, Heat Deaths, And Neighbor Care

SPEAKER_01 1:28:40

in which case that's been a long time, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:45

So then it comes down to well, then who has author? Someone has to have authority. Like, are we just down to where your only authority is over what you own? So for go to go back to my example we did a while ago about at what point is violence you know allowable?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:04

I would I would say you you we would have to take you know the Catholic notion of subsidiarity into effect. So if the federal government no longer works for the common good of the American people and it's illegitimate, then let's go down to state governments. Does your does your state government work towards the good of the common people? If yes, then it has legitimacy, I would say. Okay, and if not, then you got to go further down, you know, county government, city governments, and I think it's probably at the county level where you know, even like in Minnesota, the Minnesota state government works for the the good of Somalians. It does not work for the good of the common good of Minnesota, but many the I would say in our of our 88 counties, probably 78, 79 of them probably do, you know. But uh how do we practically put principles like that into effect in the modern world?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:12

I don't think I don't think we can. I think you know it's so nebulous that it there I don't think there's really any practical way to exercise any of that just because it there's so many competing forces involved, you know. For for example, like in my county, you know, we our our seat, you know, is 20 miles south of me, pretty much. My county's okay, right? I know my city, I know my my little town, I know the mayor that we elected is works in the common good of the people. Like he's a very good mayor. I know him personally, and he's very good. Past him though, like I don't know, maybe, right? But you know, at what but it's not like it's not like he's gonna be the guy who sends the police to reinforce me if the you know the feds come into my house, right? You know, and they're trying to pick me up because of I said some nasty things on the internet, you know. Now the sheriff might, but our sheriff's a he's a he's a big old boy. He's not doing anything. He might send some guys to do something, but he's not doing anything. But I don't, you know, that's that's the that's the issue we're in. I think it's gonna have to come down to a crisis, is gonna have to happen, and people are just gonna have to work within what limits they think they're allowed to work in, yeah. Right without without delving into committing some type of sin, right? And we're just gonna have to wait for everything to just slowly collapse to get to that point because we're no one's coming to save us.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:56

I agree. Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of the conclusion I've I've come to. I think I think many of us see a collapse coming, whether it's gonna be soon or later.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:08

I think that it's slowly collapsing now.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:11

Yeah, oh yeah, we're gonna take we are in a collapse, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:14

It's taking decades to get there, and it's really and what I see it with is there's a collapse in expertise, right? So we don't have people who maintain the infrastructure that have the expertise to do it anymore. So you're gonna start seeing, especially like the grid, start to have some issues here soon, especially in the south, because rust is tearing everything up, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:39

This Polish commies, dude. Polish commies. I will admit I did just order 500 rounds of 762 by 39 to shoot through the AK for some fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:55

See the ban on Russian imports is lifted.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:58

Good, because let me tell you that 762 was way more expensive than the 5.7, even way more expensive.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:07

That's why I got rid of my AK because the 762 is more expensive than the 556.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:12

Well, that I understand, but more expensive than the 5'7. Are you?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:16

I used to buy a thousand rounds of 762 for a hundred bucks. It was crazy cheap. Yeah, the band got lifted this week.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:26

He's so excited right now. He can't wait.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:30

Can't wait to get him some Russian bearing.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:32

I mean, that that's at the same time, though. I don't think there's a lot of spare 762 right now for Russian cells.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:40

You might be able to get some from like Estonia or you know Albania or something, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:45

But you're but Estonia wasn't under the block, were they?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:50

I think they were, were they? I think like all of Europe pretty much was.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:10

You know what? Like one thing, the the whole tactical side of gun Twitter and gun YouTube, like it what the one thing that annoys me is like, you know what, it's okay for guns to be fun, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:23

You know, look, you know, like there's a there's been an argument lately, like Lucas Botkin started it about FRTs, right? And he's like, there's really no reason other than fun to have an FRT, uh, a forced resource trigger. Like, yeah, that's a good one. Pretty much true, like, but buy one because they're fun. Because they're fun. There's nothing like blowing a hundred dollars in ammunition in 10 seconds. Like, you'll only do it once.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:51

You're right. There's very few kicking the balls like that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:54

You'll only do it once. That's why I say if you're gonna get an FRT, it needs to be in a 22, right? Because then you're cutting your cost down substantially. See, lever actions are fun. I want a 45 government 4570 just so I can say I'm ready for when the Tyrannosaurus Rexes are cloned.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:14

There is something about a lever action 4570, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:18

Like I have a lever action 3030.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:21

Me too, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:23

Fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:23

It is fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:25

It's fun to shoot.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:26

My my I have a lever and 44 Magnum, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:30

That's it's fun to shoot, but yeah, if you buy something, especially a gun. Make sure it's fun first. It doesn't matter if it's practical, it doesn't matter if it's you know economical. If you're not gonna have fun with it, there's no purchase per reason to buy it.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:49

The next time I need a gun.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:53

There was a there was an old meme. They were talking about when they banned, they were like talking about banning guns, and we're gonna have to go back to having what the uh the founders intended. Yeah. He's like, after I blow a golf ball-sized hole in the first guy, I charge those raps gallions with my bayonet. And then I climb the stairs and I load the grape shot into my cannon.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:17

And the the last one bleeds out because you cannot stitch up a triangular bayonet wound.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:21

You cannot. That's why it's a war crime.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:26

Yeah, well, you know, the Germans try to make uh shotguns a war crime too, but suck it Germans, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:32

That's the my favorite my favorite comment is from what's his name, Clint, something from Thunder Ranch. Have you ever heard him talk about like the difference between like 9 mil and and rifles and shotguns? Off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:48

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, pistols are when you blah blah blah. Rifles are when you want to pick up the phone.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:54

Pistols are when you want to put holes in people, rifles are when you want to put holes through people, shotgun weapons are where you want to put a fist-sized hole in someone and and the and have that hunk of shit thrown on the ground. It's true. If you've never seen, like, especially in some of these like PDX rounds, the stuffed event shotgun rounds, and really all is a slug with like three or four 30 caliber size bearings, it will tear some stuff up.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:29

That reminds me, I need to take the M4 out to shoot.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:39

Just have fun. That's all it's about, man. Just have fun. Look, first of all, first rule of gun tube is always look cool. It's so true. Second rule, have fun, man. Just have fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:52

Third rule, very, very, very closely related to the first rule. Don't rave, don't wear skinny jeans.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:59

That's also true.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:01

Lucas, if you ever watch this, I agree. This channel does need more people, but it needs more of the right people. Tremors is a documentary.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:16

I love Bert Gummer. Yeah, love him. Tremors is not a movie, it's a documentary. No, you can take out a substation easily with about five or six rounds of five five six. It's been proven in North Carolina, in California, in Washington State, by Antifa specifically. It is not hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:45

Oh, I could quote so many of his lines.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:50

That's such a good movie, man. Such a good movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:53

Trevor Tremors, I think two is my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:57

Really? The original is always the best.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:02

Look, Ocean, I've told you.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:03

Who was the first one I saw?

SPEAKER_00 1:39:06

I don't like I'm just here to hang out. Like, I do this just this is just fun for me. If y'all want to hang on and hang out with me, I'm I'm good with it. Just by having fun, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:18

I am gonna cut us off at two hours tonight. We're not gonna. Yeah, any questions.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:27

He is cutting you off. I've had the weirdest people follow me on X lately. Because of the SSBX stuff. Yeah, I guess so. This one's uh the their their name on X is Girl with the German Shepherd. Back in my marine days, I would have thought about that in the wrong way. Adrian. Why man? People are still going wild about the SSPX.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:09

Have we changed our opinion of the Charlie Kirk shooting?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:14

Based on what? All the TPUSA stuff are coming out.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:22

My opinion, I guess, which first off, this is this is like what I said at the beginning of the episode. People demand your opinion, even when you don't really have one, so you formulate one, they jump down your throat the second it's different than theirs. So I guess my real opinion is that I don't know, I don't have access to all the evidence I would need to actually come to a good opinion. But if you want me to have an opinion, I would say I've not seen any evidence that makes a certain story more likely than the official story. I'm not saying the official story is likely, but I haven't seen a better one necessarily.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:09

I think um, based on what's happened since Charlie Kirk, that I think there is almost just there, it is irresponsible to believe any narrative other than he was killed by a state actor in order to be able to invade Iran because he was the biggest voice close to Trump telling him not to invade Iran, and then within months afterwards we invade Iran.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:46

I I have no problem believing that there was some sort of state-level conspiracy behind it, but I I don't see anything, for instance, that makes me think like his microphone has some sort of small charge in it. Like I I still I still I'm I still think it's very possible he was shot with a 30-hot six, like they said he was. Not necessarily even by Tyler Robinson, necessarily, but I don't know. I just haven't seen any evidence that really shows it.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:29

I think Israel convinced Trump that Iran will be a lot easier than what it was, and when it turned out to not be as easy as they said it was, he decided to

When Politics Turns Violent And Authority Fails

SPEAKER_00 1:42:40

start doing negotiations, and they have information he does not want to be released on him, keeping him from completely just withdrawing. Because he he Trump for years, like since 2013, has said over and over again, there is no reason for us to go to war with Iran.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:05

And then all of a sudden we go to war with Iran. So I think he was told, hey, this will be easy, this will be easy win for you, this will look good for the midterms. And when it wasn't as quick and easy as he thought it was gonna be, we're 110 days into this now, when it was supposed to last two weeks at most, two weeks to you know shorten the oil curve. That now he's having buyer's remorse, and he's trying to figure out a way out of it without that information being released on him. He's got Trump syndrome, like he likes Trump or he's anti-Trump. Because at this point, I'm pretty much anti-Trump. Yeah. Like, how many how many promises can you yield back on before like you start losing people?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:05

What is treat your collins? Hold on, why does that sound familiar?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:10

Did you ever watch the show Niptuck?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:14

So there was another where he goes to a like a coffee bar and he meets a guy with treat your collins. Oh yeah, and offers to fix them for free. I Tim Gordon has been the biggest disappointment in the last year for me because I've I've liked him. But I know because I kind of expected that of Trump. Like he's because he's a political figure and he's a businessman, he's gonna do whatever makes him the most money. But Tim Gordon's been a disappointment because he's gotten to the point where all of his revenue comes from clicks. So at this point, he's just chasing clicks and he's compromising himself to do it. He's basically just a Timu J Dyer at this point, and it's sad to see. He's really just doing whatever he can to get more people to watch his stuff. And but that's what happens when your entire capability of providing for your family comes from content you create. Yeah, and he's doing what he has to do take care of his family, and he's unfortunately seemingly compromising himself in some ways to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:26

Uh and even worse, he's made himself completely unhireable in any oh yeah, any other sort of position.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:34

Oh yeah. He'll yeah. The uh did you watch any of the Taylor Marshall today? Man, he went hard at the SSPX. Did he? Like, yeah, ten toes down, man. He was it which is like I get it. Like at least he's he had he had a lot of evidence about it, and his and his position is logically sound. I get it. But for a man who benefited from the SSPX so much, and he's uh he was so willing to publicly uh turn on them like that, you know. I don't know if I don't know if you can say he he turned on them.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:26

I mean he did you know benefit from them having a mask available during COVID.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:35

Yeah, but he didn't have to say anything. He he could have just like, hey, this is sad that this happened, you know, and that he could have left it at that, but he he was almost angry in the video today. Like there was he was on the verge of you know being angry, and with and he did benefit from that SSPX, right? Because he had no problem with the consecrations in 1988, right? And he actually was justifying them, even in today's show, he was justifying them, but today's was a step too far when the church is obviously worse than it was in 1988.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:14

In some ways, yes, in some ways, no. I would say I in the hierarchy, definitely, I would say so. But I think the at lower levels things have have improved in many ways since then. But I I would I would say as far as Rome and stuff, yeah, I would say things are worse now than they were in '88.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:38

But the Catholic Church is dominated by the hierarchy. Yeah, definitely. So if there's any the there will be no grassroots uprising of anything, because the hierarchy will just snuff it out like they did with traditional custodas. Yeah, they saw the Latin mass getting popular, it scared them because it completely refutes their Vatican II spirit, right? And so they crushed it.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:10

Yeah, there's there sure are a lot of them. Which which is, you know, if we're because uh I've talked about this, we've talked about this before, but I think 2029 is the year. I think 2029 is the year where things go off the rails. It just too many things leading up to that. I mean, 2033 might be like the the tail end of it, right? It might last like four years because that's you know supposedly the you know 2000-year anniversary of the of the crucifixion, but you know, it's it's probably closer to like 2028. But I think 2029 is gonna be a huge year for just chaos going on. It's a year out that's the you know, January 2029 is when the new president will be sworn in. And I think things are just gonna go off the rails.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:07

What do you think of the storms that came over the mast today? Do you take it as a sign? I I don't put any stock in it. If we were to take that as a sign, and most people who who are mentioning it take it as a sign that it's bad, then if we take that same logic, you would have to say that Vatican I then was bad, yeah. Because as we explored in our Vatican I episode on avoiding Babylon, there was a huge storm and and lightning hit the Vatican and all of that during I forget exactly what part of Vatican I, but during very pivotal moment of Vatican I. So if we apply it to there, then then we gotta be consistent. Then the old Catholics are right, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:55

Yeah, we gotta be consistent, or as well when the lightning. Struck the statue of St. Peter in the keys in what was that, like Spain or something? Yeah, right during the Francis pontificate. You know, like I don't put any stock in it. I'm not a pagan. So, like, the what the weather is not giving us omens.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:18

If God wanted to really signal something, he is is rather known for signaling it in far grander ways. Like making the sun dance for 70,000 people to see.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:33

This is a good point because I want to bring I want to bring up what I see as a man who owns a farm. I welcome the rain because it helps my grass grow. And my cows eat grass and they turn grass into beef and milk. So I like it when it rains. So why are we looking at rain as a bad sign?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:02

What did the augers see in the raven's liver?

SPEAKER_00 1:51:08

Toss the bones, tell me what they say. Oh man. Bro, there's no I so I we're we're we're a week out from it now, but I'll bring up now because he's probably not watching. So Mike Pantile was in town a week ago. And so I kidnapped him and brought him to my house. And we hung out at my house for a little bit. For those who don't know, kidnapping Canadians is not against the law. It is not because they're not real people. And I brought into my house and I introduced him to raw milk for the first time. Apparently, he's lactose intolerant and didn't tell me until after he drank it.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:44

How did he did he did he tolerate it?

SPEAKER_00 1:51:46

Yeah, he's fine. Well, I mean okay. So no issues at all. No, no issues at all. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:53

Right? But that like my wife is not lactose intolerant.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:57

But that's the reason we have dairy cows. Yeah. Because she can drink that milk without any problem. Right? Otherwise, I would just buy milk. So like I don't have a broad, you know, whatever. I'm not I'm not a person that like thinks raw milk is gonna make me superhuman.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:11

But raw milk, like when milk isn't pasteurized, right? In other words, when it's not heated to like what is it, like 180, 190 degrees, something like that. It contains the lactase enzyme within it to help you process the lactose. Yeah, whereas when you pasteurize it, you get rid of that enzyme that processes the lactose sugar. So then your body has to process all of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:39

Yeah. So yeah, so he came over and had some uh raw milk for the first time, shut him around the place, let him let him shoot my 300 blackout suppressed. I thought I had given him some substantial rounds, I did not. It was still soft though. I'm like, it's still a lot softer than you know normal rounds. Let him shoot my CZ. He enjoyed it, and now I'm trying to convince him to move to Alabama. So he liked it. He liked uh, you know, he had a he went and visited EW10 and all that, but trying to give him come back down here, go to the shrine of the most blessed sacrament where Mother Angelica is buried. Uh nice. It's a if you've never been there, it's gorgeous. I have not. You you should make a trip one day, come down there just to spend like a few days there, but it's gorgeous there. She actually she bought that property because it's it's a peninsula basically, and a river wraps around the property. Okay, and the reason she bought that property, and the reason I know this is because I know the the producer of her show at the time, who's now a real estate agent, but she bought that property, she bought it in 1999 because she or prior to a little bit prior to that, actually, a couple years prior to that. But she bought it because she was afraid of the Y2K bug and she thought the world was gonna end with the Y2K bug. So she wanted an area she they could defend against whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:00

She was a prepper. I didn't even know it. Look, man, Mother Angelica was a Y2K prepper. That's it's in our blood. We can't help it.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:12

But yeah, I thought I was like, that's insane and true all at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:16

That's something Anthony's mom has in common with Mother Angelica.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:19

Yeah, I introduced him to the what was it, the 1993 rant she did about the World Youth Day? Yeah, he'd never seen it before, so I showed it. Oh, really? Yeah, he was he he made a comment on X like the next day about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:35

That's right, he did. I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:37

Yeah, because that's the first time you ever saw it. I was like, I was like, this thing's like 30 minutes long. Well, you gotta watch that. We're only gonna watch like eight minutes of it, so you gotta watch the rest of it. It's 30 minutes long. Yeah, all right, guys, we are at two hours, and Rob is dying.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:54

What I have to from tiredness, not cancer.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:58

Rob does not have cancer.

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SPEAKER_01 1:55:02

It's a good thing. There's only hold on, how many nine 19 people watching? Otherwise, if this was on if Anthony had said that on the main channel, oh my the number of people. One thing you realize when you start to do this is you realize how poorly people actually listen. Like the number of comments, like, I can't believe you guys are you can't believe you guys said that. What nowhere did I ever say that at all?

SPEAKER_00 1:55:32

It's almost like it was recorded, and you can go back and listen to it to see if I actually said that.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:38

Or like three days later, someone will ask, Well, why why did you say this? I'm like, I don't know, I don't even know if I said that. I don't remember that. Like, I say a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:51

My my wife makes fun of me all the time for things I say, and it's usually for like the weird way I say a word one time. Oh, and I'm I'm still hearing it like 18 years later.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:02

Every time I say roof, button, anything. My my hope just looks at me. Roof, I'm like, yeah, that's how I sit it. Shut up. Well, she's from Florida, though, isn't she? No, she's from Minnesota. Oh, she's from Minnesota. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:19

She was she doesn't say the same way you do.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:22

Apparently, I pronounce words differently than everyone. Do you say creek or crick?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:31

I definitely don't say crick. Because that's a Midwest thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:36

Crick?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:36

Crick, yeah. My grandpa, especially everybody I know that says that is either from Michigan or Ohio.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:42

No, I definitely say creek, but we don't have any creeks.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:49

What does this say? My husband said menoritis, menor minorities.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:59

Minorities? No, that's just Jews with the menores.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:01

Yeah, minority, minorities.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:10

We should go. I don't know why we would spend a whole episode doing this, but it would be fun. The New York Times has a a dialect test where it asks you like 40 different words and how you say it, and then it shows what part of the country you know that fits your dialect better. It'd be interesting to like compare you, me, and Anthony, even. Well, I mean, Anthony's very obvious. Yeah, 100%. There's no there's no guesswork on that one. I bet Ocean's sitting there right now working really hard trying to say ass. But it's he's ax. The ass is before the K.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:49

S is before the K. Quit asking me that. I did not get to Mass today. What's today? Wednesday? Well, it wasn't a lap mass anyway. I wouldn't have gone.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:02

You know. Is it pop or soda? It's it's pop.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:06

It's coke.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:08

Coke is coke.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:10

Correct, coke is coke. Yeah. That's it. No. No.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:17

No, see, see, now you now you're just being a nomin a nominalist. And you're saying there are no there are no universal no universal forms, everything, just whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:33

Right, so it's coke. Or what kind of coke you want? Oh, give me a sprite.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:38

No, the answers are cherry, diet, zero, vanilla.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:44

You know what, you know what cracks my wife up? We'll go to a restaurant.

unknown 1:58:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:49

Like it, I'll have like a Coke a week. I only I don't really drink it that often, but I I will only drink Coke. And I'll go there and I'll ask, you're like, what do you want? Like, what do you mind? I was like, I'll have a Coke. Like, we only have Pepsi. Okay, I'll have water. Like, I won't even touch a Pepsi product. See, I've got these lips.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:09

I I prefer Pepsi. Pepsi's for black people.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:18

What? See, do you think black people like Pepsi?

SPEAKER_01 1:59:27

Well, it it it is it's it's definitely got a more sweet palate, especially initially.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:32

It is definitely or especially on the finish. In fact, the best Coke is from McDonald's.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:39

Yeah, everyone says that. It is hot dish. Unless it's tuna, then it's a tuna casserole. But it's a tuna casserole hot dish, if that makes any sense. People from Minnesota would.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:50

That is not what a tuna casserole hot dish.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:56

It's like saying ATM machine. Or a hot water heater. I mean, I don't have a cold water heater. Yeah, you do. No, no. Your water heater. It doesn't give me cold water when it heats it. But it heats cold water.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:12

Yeah, but it's not cold when it comes out. When you say the Minnesota salad, are you talking like a seven-layer salad, a Snickers salad? Fruit salad. I mean, they're all salads.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:22

Do you put like marshmallows in your fruit salad? Some fruit salads have it. Snicker salads usually have it.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:29

It's like a different country up there. See, exactly. There are multiple nations in the US.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:39

And we're all the way back to the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:41

All the way back.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:42

We circled all the way back.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:44

My favorite salad is definitely potato salad. Potato salad? But now the question is what kind of potato salad? German potato salad. Yeah. I don't like I don't like potato salads that have a lot of mustard in them. No. No, I'm not a big mustard guy.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:04

Oh man, I like a good like roast beef on rye with mustard and Swiss cheese.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:11

No.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:13

No. Have you seen the the woman on Instagram?

SPEAKER_01 2:01:16

Dude, it's Sanchot hot dish. What do you call a crock pot? Well, either a crock pot or a slow cooker. But slow cooker, but isn't that technically a hot dish? Mr. Cold Water Heater? No, but you can make a hot dish in a crock pot. But can you make a cold dish in a crock pot? I mean you could probably make a Snicker salad in one, yeah. Why would you? In a crock pot. In case you j in case you didn't have another bowl. You don't have other bowls? I'm just saying you could. You asked if you could.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:02

Do I need to send you some bowls? We got plenty of them down here.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:05

No, have you ever had you ever had Minnesota sushi? I don't even want to know what that is. You take a dill pickle, right? Okay. And you you know you basically wrap the dill pickle in maybe like mayo or or some other ranch potentially. You then wrap it in like a piece of ham. And then you cut it into slices. So you have little sushi rolls of pickle wrapped in ham. I need that. Yeah, it's not bad. Cream cheese, yeah, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:41

Have you ever had uh fried pickles? Yes. Down here we had a restaurant called in uh actually in Louisville. We had a restaurant. So we had a restaurant

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SPEAKER_00 2:03:00

in Louisville called Jinny's Diner, and they were known for three things. They were known for their frickled pickles, fried pickles, okay. They were known for their soft drinks, they were always flat. Like you knew every time you got it, it's gonna be flat. And they're known for their sweet daddy burger, and they were so their sweet daddy burger was a pound and a half of ground beef, right? It was like eight patties with a pound of American cheese on two buns. It was it was like two and a half pounds of sandwich, and if you could eat at all, you didn't have to pay for it. And that only happened like once a year. I did it one time and I couldn't eat for like three days. It was I was the most miserable I've ever been in my life. Like I just like I just wanted I just laid in bed and just like tried to go to sleep just to try and get the time to pass. Yeah. Terrible. Never do an eating challenge. That's not worth it.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:11

Okay, we gotta actually end this now. I promised the kids we would go for a bike ride. All right.

unknown 2:04:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:18

I'll see y'all later. Yep, see you guys.