No More Form 4? The Judge Just Gutted the NFA

The ATF goes quiet, Form 4 approvals stall, and gun shops are stuck in a legal fog while everyone tries to figure out what the NFA injunction really changes. We talk through the National Firearms Act’s shaky reliance on “taxing power,” why a $0 tax stamp isn’t just a discount but a legal problem, and what that means for suppressors, SBRs, short-barreled shotguns, and other NFA items. We also get honest about why many FFLs won’t risk transfers without written guidance, even if the headlines make it sound like the gates are wide open.

Then we dig into the real-world absurdities that make this so volatile: pistol braces versus stocks, vertical foregrips turning a build into an AOW, and the weird way tiny measurements can decide whether something is treated like a normal firearm or a felony. We connect that to the bigger strategy people keep mentioning online: “common use,” and how sheer volume of lawful ownership might shape what’s possible in the courts and in politics over the next few years.

We also pull back the curtain on a different kind of control system: surveillance. From Flock cameras and automatic license plate readers to the trend of cars becoming rolling data collectors, we talk about what’s happening, why it matters, and how AI makes it harder to trust anything you see online. Finally, we end with practical home defense lessons (especially with kids in the house) and a reminder that the best gear decisions are the ones tied to training and purpose, not panic buys. If you found this useful, subscribe, share it with a friend who’s confused about the NFA news, and leave a review with the one question you want answered next.

Transcript

Why This Stream Is Recorded

SPEAKER_02 0:32

It's gonna be it's gonna be a little different tonight. We're not even gonna get the dozens we probably get on you.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

No, we probably won't. We have the replay will do way better.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

Yeah, the yeah, the recording will do better. So for anyone watching this later, the reason this is not live on YouTube is because talking about the subject, we figure you guys might want to actually see the things we're talking about. If we stream that live on YouTube, it's gonna be bad. I mean, no, no. Yes, but we can record it and post it later.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Yeah, there I was so TLM Ryan. I have been talking to me, he's what he's doing a review of the debate today, even though I've even though everyone voted, told him not to. Yeah, tell us like don't even bother, man. Like it's don't what are you doing? But he's like, Well, you know, he he was like, Well, I think uh, you know, me and you would have a better take on the debate, but I mean, honestly, other than the ballistics, the rest of it just don't care about. Yeah, you know, I didn't I didn't watch a single, I just watched like people's reaction, and there's one of two is one of two reactions. It was either people in Candace's camp saying she just wiped the floor with them or people in Wilson's camp saying like he you know showed you know he showed her up. Like that was that was it. Yep, no one changed their mind with that debate.

SPEAKER_05 1:50

Let's know.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

And and and to be honest with you, with most, especially when you have two very strong personalities like that, people aren't going to change their minds.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

No, if if you if you would had two completely unknown people of equal debate caliber do it, that would have been more interesting, in my opinion. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

And Andrew Wilson has never really debated anybody that wasn't like a Haskell dropout. Like that's pretty much his bread and butter. Uh so when he met someone, when he went against someone who was had had, I mean, not that he's a that that candis owens is a better debater, she's not a master debater, but she was much more prepared than I think he's he was usually used to. And a couple of clips I've seen, he's just floundering, right? And then anyway, it was ridiculous. I can't believe it went that long. It was like three, four hours.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

There are, I mean, nearly anything I could possibly do in life would be a better well.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

I wonder, I wonder if some priests are gonna start giving that as penance.

SPEAKER_02 3:09

I don't go through and watch the church, the church is going to indulgence that for sure. Yeah, that is absolutely true.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

This is a plenary indulgence to watch the entire now, you have to be separated from sin, you know, and all the usual conditions, all the usual conditions need applied, but it's a plenary indulgence, only on this date every year. I can't I just it's just wild to me that that that even happened. But I don't know. It but I was looking at just the numbers of it, and Candace Owens is way more popular than I think people really uh understand. She the amount of views watching her was ten times what Andrew Wilson was on his channel, yeah, and like four three to four times what Patrick Bet David was having on his channel. It was like it's just the amount of people who so she's gonna get all that ad revenue, the sponsorship money, and then three hundred thousand dollars just for showing up. Yep. Did you see that he put up a gifsen go to try and reimburse them for it? Yeah, he got like seventy thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Anthony, if you ever watch this, if I ever get murdered, I hope you, as my best friend, are able to monetize it greatly for yourself. Absolutely, absolutely do it, do it.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

It's just I don't know, man. It's just crazy to me that what is on my wall. I got attacked by his hornets earlier when I was doing some yard work. I got hit in the chest a couple times. So now like I'm looking at everything and say, I think, are those hornets? I don't know, those might be hornets. I'm gonna spray them when I get out of here. It's nighttime, so I'm not worried about them. We're sleeping, but so now I'm looking around. You start seeing me start waving my arms during the show.

unknown 5:05

Yeah.

ATF Silence And Local Shop Anxiety

SPEAKER_01 5:09

So I reached out to a couple attorney friends I have here in Birmingham about the NFA and asking what their opinion on it. One guy, he was like a he basically just something like I haven't really read a whole lot on it. It's not really his purview as far as the type of law that he practices. So he directed me to another friend of mine who does a lot of he's worked for Trump in a few cases out of Atlanta. He's done a couple of Second Amendment class cases, he hasn't gotten back to me, but a couple of the guys I have, a couple of the local gun shops I've talked to is if they've gotten any feedback from their IOIs, like basically the people that from the ATF that they liaison with, yeah, it's guidance. And they haven't they haven't heard a thing, not a thing, and their IOIs I'm saying, telling we haven't heard anything either. Like, we I can't give you any guidance because they've given us none at this point, which probably is the smart move by the ATF to just not do anything, because then if there's no guidance, then like everything's really the status quo because nobody's wanting to lose their license, their FFL license, in order to be able to do this, and on top of that, because of the ruling, the ATF isn't processing form fours right now. But for those of y'all don't know, a form four is what's required to obtain a suppressor, yeah. And if they're not processing them, then nobody's getting theirs. So if you're in the process of getting one and we just wait for your form four to be approved, well, it's on hold right now. It may be a long time before you get it. Because they can't, there's no guidance being in, they're just basically not doing anything, which is best case scenario for them, worst case scenario for us.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Hopefully, PSA and silencer shop are pumping out as many as they possibly can.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

Yeah, but you have to live in those states because even if you bought something for silencer shop and had it shipped to your FFL here, the FFL here isn't going to transfer it to you because they're losing their license.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

I think silencer shop dealers largely are. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

I've I tried reaching out to my silencer shop dealer, and they're like, they're like, well, right now we're not doing anything. They're not doing anything, yeah. Unless you've got an approved form for because they've been given no guidance by anything. Now, as far as I understand, the attorney general of Alabama was going to be giving getting out some guidance early next week. And so, but that doesn't come from the ATF.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Well, it sounds like the ATF's website is probably getting updated on Tuesday, it looks like. Is that right? That's that's what I've been seeing online. Do we want to go over briefly like the background all this for

NFA Background And The Court Ruling

SPEAKER_02 7:50

anyone? Yeah, go for it. So that so all this is involving the NFA, the National Firearms Act, right? That's what it stands for, isn't it, doesn't it? Which originally from the 30s and basically regulates suppressors, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and what is called AOW, all other weapons, which I don't know, we could spend hours trying to explain to everyone exactly what all those things are legally and stuff, but regardless, it's been held that the NFA is only constitutional because uh of the government's power to tax. And up until recently, you needed a $200 tax stamp, and to get that tax stamp, you had to go, you know, think get fingerprints, have another background check, bunch of hoops to buy that tax stamp to then get a you know, get one of these regulated items. But then last year, and part of Trump's big beautiful bill or whatever it's called, originally they wanted to try to get rid of get rid of it altogether, but they decided to kind of weaken it, figuring that wouldn't pass, and then just make that $200 tax stam zero dollars. You still have to, you know, the idea was you still had to go through all the hoops and get a zero dollar tax stamp, but at least it would be free. But the um some plaintiffs, no notably Palmetto State Armory, Silencer Co. slash science with shop, and some states, right? Like Texas, I think, and a few other states, all sued the the ATF saying that you know their idea was that if the if this is all based on the part of tax, the tax is zero dollars, that's not a tax, therefore it it should be illegal. And a district court in in Texas, right? Northern Texas ruled in their favor, then but stayed the motion for seven days to give the government seven days to appeal before it took effect. The government decided not to appeal within that time. They have 60 days overall to appeal, but on Wednesday at midnight, the the ruling took effect, um, saying that anyone in those plaintiffs, so any customer of Palmetto State, any customer of silencer shop, any citizen of the states that were plaintiffs, the the NFA, more or less, involving suppressors, short-barreled rifles, short barrel shotguns, and all other weapons, no longer applies to them. More or less. Yeah. But since then, there are some states who have their own laws that require you to so, like there's 15 of them. I don't know all of them off the top of my head, but like Georgia, for instance, still requires you to get a a form for through through the ATF to get a suppressor. But if you live in a state that doesn't require that and you order from silencer shop or member of Gun Owners of America, for instance, they were a plaintiff. Theoretically, you should be able to buy a suppressor from well, actually from anyone technically, yeah, without without the ATF registration.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

Yeah, and the the NFA its its original purpose was to target the mafia, yeah, because the mafia was using suppressors back then or silencers as the original patent name of it was, and they would cut down Thompson, you know, submachine guns, cut down uh the the BARs, cut down shotguns, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Yeah, yeah, and the idea the idea was the $200 tax stamp, that was really expensive in 1934.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Yeah, yeah, and then it never changed.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

Never changed.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

You know, the the it stayed $200 forever up until you know January 1st of this year is when it went to zero. And even like like in looking at the the economy of suppressors and SBRs, because if you wanted to make a short barrel rifle, you had to do the form four as well, then of or form one if you're making it yourself, you have to engrave it and all that, right? And once that went away, well, you I mean, you had a bunch with that. I mean, I think in the first quarter of this year, or first half of this year, they've already sold over 1.4 million suppressors, which is up from like I think the total number last year was like 750,000. My numbers might be a little off, but it's roughly around those numbers. But because then you get into the because I was explaining it to my wife, because I was showing her like you know, my rifle with a with a pistol brace on it. I was like, last Wednesday or last Tuesday, this past Tuesday, this is how to have it. And if I put this butt stock on it, it was a felony.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

One of these was legal on Tuesday, one of these was not right. And if you don't know these really well, you'd have no idea which one is which.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

What's intended for? Like this is this is a brace. We'll get fine at my camera. So this is a brace, and so what's intended for why it's called a brace and why it is only a pistol, then, is because when you put it on the stock, this part was to wrap around your forearm so you could hold it. Let me try my camera, just hold it with one hand, right? Try to get a better view of it.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Yeah, is is what the intention was. It would be you'd have that velcro wrapped around if you hold it one-handed.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

But then the then there was some guidance that was put out by the ATF that said you could shoulder it and not count it as a butt stock, which is stupid, honestly, but I'm glad they did it. So then you had a lot of people buying braces, yep, and just using them as a butt stock. Because that's that there's really no difference between that my shoulder and a butt stock.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

I was gonna say the the first braces were were definitely worse as butts butt stocks.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

Yeah, there are some that are terrible, they're like a just a thin piece of plastic, and that is not fun.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

Like this one here.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

Yeah, PSA puts out something like that. It's terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. And that one's just meant to like go on one side of your forearm so you can shoot it, yeah. Yeah, just like that, which is dumb. It's just stupid.

Pistol Braces And Arbitrary Definitions

SPEAKER_01 15:00

But as of Wednesday, you can now do this. Here in Alabama, I can't anyway. Right. You can just have one of these now, which is arbitrary and stupid. Like, how does it one? It's not a pistol. Everybody knows what a pistol is like. That's a pistol. Everybody knows that, right? This does not require a brace whatsoever. Putting this on a rifle does not make it, but in the ATF size at the time, it that was what it was, and it actually that had to be fought in the courts as well, because they tried to say, Well, you can no longer shoulder anymore, so then they're taken to court by a few organizations again to get it put back to where you could use it and still shoulder it, right?

SPEAKER_02 16:01

When that happened, I was gonna say what's even crazier is say you have a pistol like this with a so-called brace, but instead of a non-vertical, this is technically a non-vertical foregrip. Yes, but if you put a completely vertical foregrip, then it's an any other weapon legally, an AOW.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Yes, because the the foregrip, the vertical grip or foregrip has to be 90 degrees, yes. If it's like 88, well, it doesn't count, right? Like this is the arbitrariness of the ATF. This is how stupid these things are. This is what we've been fighting against forever. Now keep in mind when the ATF came with that rule and said that you could shoulder it, people were buying braces like they you couldn't find them. Yeah, they were flying off the shelves, and that's why braces are are actually more expensive than most well stock bus stocks now. The SBA6, I think MSRP on this is like 125 bucks, which is insane. Because I've gotten like this magpull brace uh butt stock on my rifle over here, is was like 80. But they're flying off the shelves, and so now we're in the the view of common use. Now they're common use, so now it's real hard to pull back from that. They can't say, well, it used to be legal, now it's not, but we have millions of them out there. If we make it illegal, now we've got millions of felons. Yeah, so which which is makes it hard for the ATF to pull back on it. I know the uh the gun tube police look it's clear. I can't shoot you through the screen. Oh oh, but now we're in this issue common use.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

So well, it's funny the the the whole common use thing is actually the reason why the the arbitrary length for rifles first pistols is 16 inches, yeah, because for shotguns, a normal shotgun is anything 18 and over. A short barrel shotgun is anything under 18 inches, and it was originally that way for rifles, too, until the government accidentally sold a bunch of surplus m1 grands, or yeah, I think it was a bunch of surplus m1 grands that had barrels shorter than 18 that had 16-inch barrels. And they're like, Well, now we got to change the NFA because otherwise we just made a bunch of phones ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Yes, which it which is another arbitrary decision is if the the barrel it has to be 16 inches, so you've got people buying a 13.7 inch barrel with it and putting like a 2.3 inch flash hider on it, pin and weld it, so now it's technically 16 inches.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Yep, right. So it's just a lot of my a lot of my 16-inch rifles are like that, most of them actually. So dumb.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

So I don't I don't have a single rifle that's like a 13.7 or a 14.5. I just I just I thought it was so dumb, I just never bought into it. Because then, you know, like this rifle is a 12 and a half, yeah. And now that means 11.5 is the new hotness. Yeah, it was 10 10 3, 10.5 for a long time. And I've got an old, I say old, it's it's an arrow precision upwards of 10, 10 and a half. You know, but like that thing, you have to put a suppressor on that thing. You have to because you cannot shoot that. I don't it doesn't matter if you have a flash heart or muzzle brake, you will you will lose friends shooting that thing around them. Like it it's really annoying to shoot around. So I put my I put another suppressor on it. But you know, I don't I like all mine, I have a 16-inch sugar whistle, I have a 16-inch M4 clone for my time in the GWAT. I've got a 16-inch that I bought, you know, 10, 12 years ago from Patriot Ordnance Factory. And now that was kind of turned into my DMR rifle now because I had to put a new barrel in it, because I I shot out the other barrel. But like now that's now I've got like a three to eighteen scope on it. So that's that's my I'll probably reach out and touch somebody at about 700 yards rifle now. But it's just the arbitrariness of the of all this is ridiculous, which is what this is showing. That the in the because there's multiple other lawsuits out there against the ATF about different things, like there's one just ruled in LA, I think today or yesterday. I think it was yesterday. Basically fighting them that saying that you know about their concealed carry laws. But so I want I want to bring this up real quick.

Free States Map And State Traps

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Let me add this real quick.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

So this is a a map of what they call the free states and NFA states, and it's so funny to see Minnesota listed as a free state on there, yeah. And it's it's funny to see Georgia's not and Mississippi, Mississippi and North Carolina, Montana, right? I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Wyoming, or yeah, no, it's Montana. My eyes are right. Montana, North Dakota, Montana, North Dakota. That those are crazy to me. But uh, so all the red states don't have NFA laws as far as you know referring more than what the federal government did. Yep. Okay, all the blue states have some type of law on the books that refers, you know, that makes it more stringent than the federal government did. Like some of them say, you know, there's not really an MFA law, but in order to have an NFA item, you have to have a Form 4 for it, right? Or it has to be approved by the ATF or something. So it's like they they got you on like one little one little quick law that kind of pins you in now. And so now these states are gonna have to pass laws themselves in their own state legislatures to get rid of those. Like Alabama here, there is no laws on the books whatsoever as regarding NFA items, now other than machine guns and stuff, because if Fact, Alabama last year plot passed a law against Glock switches. So you can't have a Glock switch, but you can have an FRT. But and you but we know who exactly the Glock switch law was targeting. Yeah, we know exactly who that was. But uh so if you're in these in these red states, I mean I would still check your state laws, but you're it's probably put pretty favorable for you. Yeah, like if you have an AR pistol and you're state and you want to throw a stock on that thing, what's stopping you? Just check your laws though. Like I'm like, I don't want anybody going to be a little bit more than a lot of people. Yeah, I don't want anybody going, Well, Adrian told me that I could do this. And they're gonna be like, Who's Adrian? He's not an attorney. Well, you listen to him, you're dumb. But yeah, it's it's just it's so stupid, some of these laws, and and not only that, but they're selectively enforced as well. Like they'll you know, for example, when it comes like some states still have red flag laws, and what they'll do is they'll use a red flag law to then take your firearms from you, hoping, and then if they find like another NFA violation, well they're gonna hit you with that one too.

SPEAKER_05 23:32

Yep, right.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

And I'm not I don't know if y'all know about the Dugan Ashley case, but he's basically being railroaded because he was videoing himself making I won't say explosives, but they were explosives, and just showing like him doing it, right? Not showing you how to make it, just showing him doing it, and you can make explosives for your own personal use at your property to an extent, and it's not illegal, right? You but you do have to like notify the ATF that you're doing it. But but they got so they got videos, yeah. Hey, by the way, I'm you know, I got some gophers for those of y'all who've never seen Caddyshack. But what they did for him is they got him on those videos and then hit him with a bunch of other stuff when they went to his house and confiscated a bunch of stuff, and they just hit him with a bunch of other stuff, uh you know, some firearms and stuff he had. But some of these states are crazy to me. Like, who is it? Uh Lawfare, he's in our telegram, he's in Virginia and he's an FFL. And he's he's like, I'm not doing anything. He's like, I'm not changing anything up, even though he's in a red state. Because he's like, I'm afraid he and he's concerned that ATF's gonna come after him if he doesn't, even though he's following the law on it because they've not put any guns out. And I get that, I agree. Don't like there's no do not go to your local gun store and give them crap for not just 4473, you uh a suppressor or an SBR or something. Like there, you're not worth them losing their license and their livelihood. They're gonna say, just give it some time, give it a couple weeks, and see how this thing shakes out when guidance finally comes out, and then hopefully they're not now. There have been some that I've seen reported on X of guys who are just you know, they're like, Hey, I live in a red state, I'm a you know, local FFL, and this is what it says, I'm 4473 of them to guys. You know, hopefully they got an attorney on retainer in case something happens. But um, I mean that's within their it's within the injunction, so they're on the right side of it right now, but the ATF is not you know a big fan of following the law, they'll come after you for anything and make just make some stuff up sometimes. So just be careful, use good judgment.

Selective Enforcement And Real Risks

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Well my so when my kids go to bed, they like to watch me for a couple minutes before they go to bed, and my wife's like she hasn't seen me on YouTube because I'm not on YouTube, because we can't be on YouTube because they will kick us off for showing all some of the stuff. So there is a gun store here in Alabama, in Pelama, Alabama, actually, just south of Birmingham, who makes their own suppressors. They see and see all the now, they're traditional suppressors, there's no flow through low back pressure, it's a traditional suppressor.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

Yeah, I have one about half an hour for me that does that too.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

And the guy who owns it is the former steel. Don't hold that up against him, but I want to go talk to him and see if he's selling because he he's not asking a lot like for his he has like 400 bucks. Stainless steel suppressor.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

Yeah, the place near me is like 300 bucks.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Yeah, because he just he's got a CNC machine in the back and he just makes them there and put like he'll make you one there right now, like while you're waiting. He'll just make you one.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

But uh, I want to go talk to him and see what he's doing. I haven't I didn't get the good chance today or yesterday, you know, with work, but I might try and pop in there next week and see what he's doing because he's he he's all about giving it to the man any chance he can.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

And I mean there there's there's people that are 3D printing suppressors too. They're only gonna, you know, if it's if it's uh PLA filament sort of you know material, they're only gonna last a couple of shots, but there are some of those filaments that last a few hundred rounds, really.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

But if you just want to print yourself and just print yourself one every week, like why is that like like 20 bucks? Five, ten bucks, you know, like it depends, you know. Depends on kind of suppressor you're doing. You just you get you say you get 500 rounds out of it before it's bad, just print another. Yeah, you know, is that I don't see any downs if you're in red state, man. Just make sure you got an attorney on right waiting for you, just in case. Yeah, uh, let's see what else do we want to talk about.

Why Shops Refuse Transfers

SPEAKER_01 28:27

I mean it's funny because I've been looking at a lot of like, for example, I'll show you the I'm not gonna tell you the name of the store, but this is a major firearm store here in Alabama, it's in northern Alabama, and they they put out a post on Facebook yesterday says nothing has changed in regards to to the NFA for us in Alabama. We will not be transferring NFA items without a Form 4 until we hear from federal government entity regarding the suit and how to move forward. We will keep everyone updated if this does change. Now, let me tell you some of these comments. All right. One guy says, I will vouch for said federal government entity. Let the suppressors roll. Uh I doubt he's actually for the government. But let's see. Here's a guy he says, I work at a gun shop in Tennessee. I'm not going to jail for a customer. I'm not letting our 85-year-old store owner go to federal prison, and my dog doesn't have life insurance. So an ATF visit is out of the question. Uh your store is going doing the right thing. So then here's a guy that says shops still wanting to file just shows the government that they still have no problem filing it, which, in my opinion, just gives the government more of a fight to do anything to reverse the decision. Nothing can be done by the ATF if the shop is covered by the lawsuit, such as having a silencer shop kiosk. If the ATF goes after a shop in Alabama, then they definitely have to go after any other shop in most other states, including silencer shop, silence co PSA, a bunch of small town shops. So, like you start to see the the two different positions starting to develop. Uh, and then you also see a lot of people who aren't familiar with at what the injunction actually says. Yeah, shame on y'all. The ATF is an administrative agency whose job is to uphold laws, they have no power to create their own. I mean, technically, but they can interpret laws. Well, the the rule may have been interpreted laws is BS. That's basically making laws. Yeah, the the interpretation is the law they're making.

SPEAKER_05 30:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Let's see. Another guy says Vance or this shop. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to name them. Just lost all my business. Probably a lot of others too. Uh you probably weren't shopping there already, anyway. Um see. So that so the other one says currently the only ones directly listed as plaintiffs in the lawsuit can legally bypass Form 4. The North Texas district in which the ruling was made, primary arms. He's already wrong about that. It's not primary arms. And the silencer shop are currently the only groups free to sell without a form being issued. So he's already got one of them wrong. While form four has no current cost, thanks to the big beautiful bill, except for these name plates, it is still required. While it will be impossible for the government to enforce form four for everyone else without appealing this ruling, no license FFL dealer with any brains will risk the possibility of breaking federal laws until it's clarified by the ATF. The clarification will likely come very soon. I doubt that. I don't think it will at all. I think they're gonna drag their feet on it. But it's just it's so you're seeing both back for like some people like, yeah, I get it. You know, don't you know we'll just wait. The other guy's like, I'm never gonna shop here again. Like, brother, you weren't buying anything there anyway. Let's see. But hit but I want to that brings up a point

Common Use Strategy And The Clock

SPEAKER_01 31:42

right now. While we're listening in this injunction, if we have people and we have a few local gun shops who are just selling them 4473 them and just doing like dozens a day, and we have dozens of firearms FFLs in a state doing that across 27 states every day for the next say the next 60 days, we're gonna have too many out there. How are they gonna enforce that? How are they gonna know when you bought it, like and when you got it? How are they gonna know when you made your rifle in SBR?

SPEAKER_02 32:14

I was gonna say, I I think if anything, the SBR part especially is going. I mean, like if everyone who could, everyone who who is technically related to those plaintiffs, which if you know if you're gun owner, go go get a year membership to GOA for what 25 bucks, something like that, yeah, and then put a stock on your a heart pistol, and enough people do that, they'll they'll never know when someone did that, right? Yeah, like even if the even if it becomes illegal again, they'll you know, they'll they'll never know what's grandfathered in and what's not, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

Because and they kind of will know because they keep a registration of all these people, right? Which they're not supposed to, but they do it anyway. There is a building in West Virginia that holds all the hard copies of the 4473. Yeah, so man, it would be horrible if that's it.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

Well, but I'm saying, I'm saying yeah, the suppressor, right? To unless you're making your own, you're you're gonna go buy a suppressor, in which case you'll still need a 4473. The SBRs, you know, unless you go and buy a pre-built SBR, you know, you don't need a 4473 to go to a store and buy a Megpole stock to put on your pistol, right? So there won't be records of those.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Well, I mean, if you're doing a a Form 1, you know, if you're buying it as an SBR, there could be a record, right? Right, but the problem is what we're trying to do is get to common use.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

Yes, right.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

If you if we get a million of them out there in the next 60 days, SBRs, suppressors, short barrel shotguns, and everything, then it's gonna be hard for them to pull back on that, even if they file an appeal in the next 60 days and they get granted, and then there's a stay put on the injunction until it goes to the next level, right? And then it goes to the Supreme Court, yeah. Right, but it's gonna be real hard for the and then we go back to the normal process where they're just pumping them out anyway. People are getting some approvals within a day. So if they go back to that, then we're gonna have you know, by the end of this year, we may have two and a half million suppressors out there and another two and a half million short barrel rifles. It that's we're getting we're at common use at that point, yeah. Which the Supreme Court has always ruled on the side of common use. Now, right now we have two justices who are old, who are very pro-2A, and they may retire in that meantime. And if that happens, and we don't replace them with other pro 2A people, then we could be in a predicament. Yeah, you know, if we don't say the next president is a Democrat, you know, say AOC decides to unfreeze her eggs and have some babies run for president, then she's going to put in very liberal justices if she has the chance. And if we go to because right now we're a 5'4, sometimes 6'3, depending on the topic. Right now, I'm more conservative, but that could switch the other way to a 5'4, 6'3, the other way. It just depends.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

We somehow need to push out uh Roberts and uh ACB while Trump is still pregnant, president.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Amy Connor Barrett has been a huge disappointment. She was she was the issue for the birthright citizenship case. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Because where are some of her adopted children from? Adopted children.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

But there was a rumor going around that right after they ruled on that, and they showed her the billboards for the birthright tourism. Yeah, she's you know, like what she says, if it was re brought in front of her again, she'd rule the other way. Like, I don't I don't know if I believe that. No. But it's just we you cannot we need to get to a point where we're just pushing the envelope constantly, just constantly push because the left does it all the time, but they've got institutional coverage as well. This is why they do it, and and the right is too scared to do anything about it, which is why we're not deporting hardly anybody. We should be, I mean, we should see entire neighborhoods get deported at this point, but we're not. You want to see property values come down and salaries go up, deport 200 million people that are here illegally.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

I'd say load them up on trains, but that might have been a lot of people. Yeah, maybe numbers and you know, keep them away from typhoid. But they only have six the numbers only have six digits, Adrian. There's not gonna be enough numbers, Adrian.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Where's that where's that where's that show tunes kid conspiracy theorist video when we need it? Do you remember that video? I'll see if I can I'll find it here in a second, but let's go back to the debate real quick.

Candace Versus Wilson Debate Autopsy

SPEAKER_01 37:53

Oh boy. So I was I was I was reading some of the comments by some people. Like, what's his name from the quartering? Right? He was never he's uh he's been anti-candisolens forever, and so you know he wasn't gonna see any different, but Nick Fuentes, and it man, I just like I kind of sympathized with him early this year, late last year, right? But the more I see him just flip-flop on topics, dude's a fed. Like I tried to like, oh maybe he's not, but like there's no there's no excusing away how he acted on January 6th, and everyone else who did nothing even close to what he did spent solitary confinement for four years. Because I've posted that video to Telegram a couple times of him actively telling people we're taking over the Capitol, everybody go in, go in, and nothing never happened to this dude.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

Did he have his half million taken by the government before or after that?

SPEAKER_01 38:55

I don't know, it doesn't matter because he got it back, did he? Yeah, so it he got it, he got it back within like a month or something. It was like super short, maybe a couple months. But that's what they do with you know, when they turn you into an informant, they hold some leverage over you, like your money, and then give it back to you once you cooperate. But just seeing some of the comments of the people and and even some of the people I like, you know, such as like hillbilly things, right? She's so pro-candace, yeah. And I'm like, but she's crazy. Candace is Candace is crazy, not Hillbilly things, yes, just clarifying that. Yes, she's I mean, I've got nothing against her whatsoever. I like a lot of what she puts out, and I sympathize, and I like her husband.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Her husband's very pro-candace, too. Yeah, but I do like JD a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

They're they're good folks, but I like she.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

I'm just gonna get you in trouble, like you always like to get me in trouble.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

I mean, look, I can dislike what some people say sometimes, even if I like them. Yeah, 100%. You know, but I'm pretty sure some of these people like Candace Owens could likely abort her child and they still be on her side. I don't think he'll be things would be on her side, but there are I don't think she's but there are a lot of people, like a lot of the Catholics that like her, I don't think would be like that, or that you know, dung ho on her, but a lot of the other people are who are bought into her occult of personality, like she could do some heinous things, and they would still be on her side, yeah. Like they just there's no objective, there's no objectiveness there whatsoever. No, whatever she says is is the gospel. I'm like no, yeah, you know, like like emj he's really great on like four topics, right? But you bring up Vatican II or the liturgy to him, and he's like a down syndrome kid with a bunch of peanut butter sandwiches. He just he loves it. He loves it.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Do down do Down syndrome kids tend to love peanut butter sandwiches? Yes, yes, that's that's a knowing thing. I was unaware of that. Peanut butter sandwiches and grilled cheese. I love it. I mean I'm gonna go. You're naked. Close the door. Love you.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

Great, we're gonna kick it off extra.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Oh man. All right, let's see. I wonder if uh nope, I guess he's still going. I was looking to see if TLM Ryan was done, but I think he's still going. He's he's funny, man. So I didn't watch all your I didn't watch all your locals last night. I watched till Brock was on, and then I turned it off.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

Brock was the first one.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Yeah, uh fair. I turned it off. I mean, I just I was busy. It's not that I disliked it, but no, I know you were busy. So but I'll probably watch the rest of it later. Did you see the did you see I saw the clone trooper clip that y'all put out?

SPEAKER_02 42:33

Do you see the one Chris put out? He's right, who so Chris the uh crash cannon, yeah. So before the clone trooper took the jab at us, Chris was saying Chris was talking about an interview he he did, and and said something about his channel, and the guy in the clone trooper helmet goes, Man, I don't even know who you are.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

That Chris gets some like huge guests and he gets like 500 views. It happens. That the the whole YouTube algorithm is so screwed up right now, which which which doesn't make sense for y'all because y'all have a good amount of subscribers, but like y'all get like 8,000 views on most shows, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

Every once in a while we'll get 20,000, 30,000 on something, but like normal people I would think, well, they bought a bunch of subscribers, right?

SPEAKER_01 43:45

But y'all don't have any money, so that's not y'all.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

We did AdSense videos, and that helped us get a lot of subscribers, but like it's just showing the video that video to more people on YouTube so. Not like you're buying like bot accounts, right? Yeah. But it it's somewhat artificial in a sense, but whatever.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Yeah. Uh it just it doesn't make a lot. A lot of them don't make sense. Because I'll see like Taylor Marshall's got what like almost two million subscribers at this point. Yep. I think it's like 80,000. I'm like, man, that's not even 10%.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

Well, most of ours aren't either, if you think about it.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

So I wonder that is that people just subscribing and like never logging on to YouTube again? Could be. I wonder how y'all would do on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Some of uh like so we have a TikTok, and it's just been forever since I put a video on there, but like we had one video get 90,000 views on there. Yeah, it was it was uh the clip of uh Kevin James talking about how we fasted for 40 days, so it wasn't even our clip, it wasn't even y'all.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

I've I finally downloaded TikTok yesterday because my mother-in-law sends me clips from there all the time. Yeah, like I don't have TikTok, like I don't I and I've really I really fought against downloading it forever. I was like, I'm tired of like watching it in this like horrible web view of it. I was like, I'll just download it and it just like starts playing stuff. Like you open it and it's just automatically playing a video. This is annoying. Like, I don't like what if it's a bad video. Yeah, I don't want my kids to hear it, you know. Like I can't swipe fast enough because you know how my algorithm goes. Like it's gonna be some edgy stuff.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

I just I don't know if TikTok has that same edgy stuff as Instagram. Oh, I'm sure it does.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

I'm sure it does. No, because it's it's owned by how is it it's owned by Larry Ellison now? It starts on TikTok though, and then it makes it to Instagram, and then it makes it like because TikTok's owned by Juneau. As long as it makes some money, they don't care. Just rub them shekels together, man. That's all they care about. They don't they just don't care. Have you seen the update with Sweat of Spain? No, it is terrible. Like it's just shanty towns everywhere. They've got 80,000 immigrants just basically there's no border at this point. There's people coming and going whenever they want, and it's like it's turned into a hellhole there right now. And those people they're probably trying to get out of there as fast as they can. Yeah, like just uproot their livelihood and get back to mainland Spain, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 46:44

But it's bad, man.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

There's nothing being done about, nobody cares. Nothing's being done. Oh, so frustrating. It just makes me think, you know, what if that were to happen here? Say that were to happen like San Diego, right across the border from Tijuana. Would California care? Like the rest of the United States would care. But the rest of the United States isn't gonna enforce anything. Would California care? Probably not. Probably not. Just let it happen. Like, oh well, I guess we're part of Mexico now, I guess. I don't know. But then, you know, along Texas, because along the Texas border there, along with Mexico, it's super blue because all these Mexicans come across and and then just vote along with whoever's gonna give them the most stuff. You know, so it's very very left-leaning over there. Now it's pushing into Houston and Dallas and Austin, and those are becoming very blue. I Texas will be blue by probably 36. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking mid-30s. Yeah, probably not by 28, probably not by 30, it'll still be purple by 32. Unless we start doing some major deportation and remigration, it'll be blue by 36. What about all the taco trucks, Adrian? Where are we gonna get our curry? What are we gonna do? They got entire Indian villages being built over there.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

You you've seen the the game, right? Where they you zoom out on Google Maps to where it shows all of India and you drop Street View on a random place to see if it's if there's trash laying on the ground, basically. No, I haven't. No, okay, we're playing it right now, actually. Then I played it for about 20 minutes earlier today, and I could not find a place without I have a friend who's a realtor, and I was talking to him.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

I was like, I was like, what do you do when you go when a when a client wants to look at a house that's in a really bad area? He goes, Well, legally, I'm not allowed to tell them it's a bad area. He's like, legally, I'm not allowed to tell him it's high crime area, but I give them hints. I was like, What how do you give them hints? He goes, I'll put one in the chamber in front of them and walk in with them.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

Okay, so here's India, okay, right? And all the blue lines are where Google Street View has gone, right? Okay, so we'll zoom out and I will take one of those street view guys.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

Why is there so much Google Street View in India? Like there's hardly anything in Saudi Arabia, yeah, or Yemen, or China. There's a lot in Oman though.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

Well, a lot in Thailand, a lot of Thailand and Vietnam. I don't know. But here, so I'm just gonna I'm closing my eyes. Okay, gonna drop them somewhere. Do it. Let's see here.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

Yeah, uh, uh, we'll see. Oh, this must be a good neighborhood. There's very little trash.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

This is actually not terrible. Oh, wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

Hold on, hold on, there's no, let's we'll do this what five times, see if we can't look at the river, just make sure the river doesn't have anything.

SPEAKER_02 50:18

That's a clean river for India.

SPEAKER_01 50:20

That's actually not a bad river. This must be one of those high castes. Oh, what's that red thing right there on the right?

SPEAKER_02 50:26

Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

Yeah, rubble, rubble, turn right, go to the right.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

Oh, like trash, right? Well, once again, not not terrible.

SPEAKER_01 50:39

Not terrible. It's really not terrible. I mean, I would want to go there, but you know, if you're a Mexican, you can go there and blend in. Let's go there. Just like right over. Oh, yeah, that's not good. I don't see any people. It's a ghost town. How's there a ghost town with a country of 1.5 billion people?

SPEAKER_02 51:08

We're having way way better luck than I was having earlier today. I was like, yeah, I couldn't anywhere I dropped was like a river loaded to the brim with trash.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

That's not bad. This reminds me so much of Afghanistan.

SPEAKER_02 51:28

Really not that not that bad? Wow. This was not this was not what I was expecting.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

Oh, you're near Mumbai now. There's no way that's gonna be any good. Oh yeah, yeah. Trash. Oh, yeah, there's some trash. Yeah, I'm gonna send the link to uh T Lemron. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:10

Oh man. What are you laughing at?

SPEAKER_01 52:19

I just looked at that comment by hoping. As your child came in and is getting us getting us thrown to federal prison. So this is my Huxworks flow 556k.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

How do you like that? Because I've been thinking of that.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

Uh so here's the thing with 556. 556 will never be quiet. Yeah. Even with subsonic. Right. But the biggest reason I have this is one, I didn't want titanium because I want flash mitigation. Titanium, really, I mean, sometimes it never goes away, but on some, you know, it may go away in 500,000 rounds, but it has a huge fireball that comes out the front. Because the way titanium is, it traps the gases a little bit better, and so it just burns them up as it goes out. Okay. I went with stainless steel because to mitigate that, but I don't have any gas in my face with this thing at all. Ice. Um, which is the biggest reason I bought it. Because my to be honest with you, my trash panda is is better sounding than this thing is. There he is. What's up, guys? How's it going? Against our against our votes, you decided to do the show anyway.

SPEAKER_00 53:43

Well, you you hadn't responded until like two minutes before my show. I'm like, I gotta go live.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Like, you didn't have to. We warned you against doing that show.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

It it turned out okay. It wasn't as bad as I as I thought.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

Well, you did the debate or your show?

SPEAKER_00 54:00

Both. Now I'll question your judgment. I was I was actually, I told my audience, I was like, I didn't want to do this, but I thought Adrian and Rob would actually have some takes. And then when I put the poll out, I'm like, they're not watching this, so I've I've got to sell it.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

So we we've talked about the that's fascination, um before, right? And in my it when it comes to the ballistics of the of the 306, man, I've seen 306 do some weird stuff. I've seen every round do some really weird stuff, but I've never seen 30-6 do that, right? Especially from that close a distance. Now, like if I've shot deer from you know 300 yards away, 300 six, and it if it hits like uh, you know, if I'm a bad shot or whatever, and or it turns at the wrong moment and I hit in the pelvis, it could stay, you know, stay in the body room. Yeah, but we are just basically bags of water with a little bit of bone in us, but 306 hits us with the hydrostatic capability of the ballistic round, like there's gonna be a lot of internal damage with it. Which when I saw him get shot the first time, I saw how much blood came out. I was like, Oh, he's dead. Like, there's no he's not surviving that whatsoever. Um, in fact, I was talking to Chris from our telegram about it because he's a former he's a paramedic in Austin, and there's no way he's surviving that. And Chris is like, Yeah, that's way too much blood. They hit either the jugular or some, you know, or his artery, he's dead. So they're like, Oh, he's you know, he's on his way to the hospital, he's showing signs. Like, no, no, don't believe I don't believe that whatsoever.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

He could have literally been on an operating table when it happened, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:51

That's what Tim I remember Tim Poole said that. He's like, I've got inside information, he's still alive. But I mean, what do we know? We were just hopeful, but then 20 minutes later, it's like, no, he's dead.

SPEAKER_01 56:00

Yeah, there ain't no way. But it's the same thing, like if you had an aortic dissection, right? If y'all don't know, like the aorta basically uh is the is a trunk, it's basically an inch in diameter tube of blood that goes down basically along your spine.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

If you have a dissection there, if you're which is basically when it splits open, right?

SPEAKER_01 56:21

Like you have an aneurysm, like a weak spot in the wall and it busts open. Yeah, if you're not on the on the on the table, when that happens, you're dead. And even if you're on the table, your chances of surviving it are very low. Like we did the pig sticker course when I was in the Marines before I did my first deployment. What the pig sticker course was they they gave a pig, they gave us a pig, and it was they gave it like propofol and some other things to keep it sedated, and they would like stab it and shoot it, and we'd have to like you know fix it basically, right?

SPEAKER_00 56:49

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 56:50

Well, by the end of the day, what they did was they opened up the pig while it's still alive, and they just barely nicked the aor. It filled up that cavity in like 12 seconds, filled it up like a bucket of water, right? It's just filled the thing up. So the same thing with getting shot in the jugular or your carotid artery, right? Because it's all the jugular is is it's venous, so it's blood returning back to the lungs to be oxygenated through the heart to the lungs, then back out to the body. The carotid artery is basically going from after it goes out from the lungs, it goes out because that's all oxygenated blood, but it's all high pressure. Both of those are so if you get shot in either of those, you're bleeding out quick. Yeah, um, and so the ballistic side of the the gun didn't make a lot of sense. Now, the range of the shot, super easy shot, yeah. Like I could teach my six-year-old daughter to do that in you know two hours. Um, it's not hard at all. So, but the the my problem with the Tyler Robinson thing, there's a lot of inconsistencies in a lot of stuff, which which gives reasonable doubt in my eyes, yeah. But who knows if I've been fed things that I they want me to see.

SPEAKER_00 58:02

Well, that's what I was hoping that Andrew would, and you know, what is Andrew? He he beats up on prostitutes on the whatever podcast, yeah, which like good for him, but he's kind of got this lore of being a good debater, and maybe rightfully so. I I thought he would come with some facts, and because I haven't followed this. Actually, it's all it's all Rob's fault. I said this on my show. So because I've seen with Rob and Anthony, Anthony will get like really hyped about the end of the world, and Rob just kind of like, man, like everybody thought they've predicted the so I'm like, look, when Rob kind of like goes all eeure on us, he's usually right. Rob tweeted something out like six months ago, like, I don't know, it's looking more and more like it might just be Tyler Robinson. I just was like, screw it, I'm not wasting time on this. I have limited capacity, I'm not listening to Candace anymore. I'm also just not tuning in. This was the first time I decided to go back into this topic, and I thought, okay, Andrew Wilson, he's gonna bring the goods, we've got more evidence to come out. It was like going in time back six months ago, he just repeated the same crap.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

Well, well, and he doesn't have the evidence that all the pro that the prosecutors have, you know what I mean? Like he doesn't know anything that's just that's not already public, right?

SPEAKER_00 59:23

Well, none of them do, which I I thought the timing of this was just a little too soon, but and he also he he played poorly into it just strategically. He's on Candace's home turf, literally, he's in her home with George there. Like, you're not gonna trash a woman with her husband right there. So he couldn't get aggressive, and then he just like he actually deposed her. He he's he he presented all his evidence, which was nothing, and he clearly wasn't prepared because he would he would have like one zinger, and then as soon as Candace like unpacked it, he fell apart, and then he would just move on. He would literally just concede. So then he got in, he's like, Well, now I want to talk about like some of your more inappropriate comments, and he he just gave her the floor by asking her these questions, and it just then and she got her body language is so relaxed, she just sat back and she it was like she was back on her show. So he literally just gave her everything she wanted, and nothing was to I'm like, Look, if you want to look for a winner and a loser, I know who didn't lose, and it was Candace because he he and he didn't. I don't like you gotta know the moment you're in. If your goal is to shut this down, you gotta come hard and you have to discredit her, and you didn't even come close. So, and I I came in objectively because I was like, Well, Rob from Avoiding Babylon, who is always the voice of reason, said that this is probably a nothing thing, and so I would I mean did did Candace present any evidence for any of her theories, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

Well, here's the thing with Candace, she slow rolled a lot of evidence she had because but none of it would ended up being actual evidence.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:01

Well, she exposed that she exposed TP USA for being a bunch of rats. Well, yeah, yeah, everyone should have seen that though. Yeah, I don't know what her. I mean, to to answer your question, Rob, no, but she showed a lot of motive, she showed she she punched tons of holes in the investigation. Like, why is why was the car that he was shot in detailed and sold? It should have been exhibited. Why is his necklace given back to Erica? That should be in evidence, and it has to be in evidence for years because even if the guy's guilty, he can appeal it. Why did they pave over the crime scene within like two days? So, and and Andrew just let her talk. So at the end of the day, they set these two objectives for who had to win the debate. One had to pro both had to prove quote unquote overwhelming evidence that Tyler was a shooter in Andrew's case, or that he was a Patsy in Candace's case. Neither of them won on that, yeah. But then they just went into let's discuss, which of course, because you got to make a show. And Candace came out looking like a rose there because her goal is to just punch holes in the federal narrative. And she, I mean, she was picking up a lot of steam, and it just but to your answer your question, Rob, no, like she didn't like come out with hardcore evidence that Israel was clearly behind it, but she did show well, we have we know for a fact that Charlie was turning against Zionism, which and here here was his impact on the right, so there's motive. And what they're telling me.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

I mean, you could say there's motive by any other state actor, though. Russia would have had motive, China would have motive, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:49

Like, I mean, I well, but I think what's what's sketchy is that TP USA after his death just like hyped up all the Zionism that he used to hold, and then she slow rolled to expose them as liars on that. So that's that's her strong suit, and her weak suit is like, no, she can't prove and and but she had a good response to that. She's like, Well, I don't have subpoena power, yeah. So I I can only show you like what you know what from the outside, where the motives look, why this is sketchy, which I think is her goal in a court of law, no, but she's not a court of law, and she kept saying that. So I mean Andrew just didn't I don't know. I I was hoping to get steel mans on both sides, but maybe we'll have to wait for the trial. That was my take.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:39

I I've seen just because I don't I don't like I I don't really care about Andrew Wilson, like I'm not pro or against him, yeah. Same. Um, but his reputation has taken a hit in the last like month. And this was just like the nail in the coffin, pretty much, for him.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:56

Dude, she got she got an uppercut on him when she said, I'm familiar with your debate tactics. And he's like, Oh, you're familiar with uh with my work? She's like, Yeah, you read Pill against Feminism. He's like, Yes, I do. She's like, Except when it came to Erica Kirk, who abandoned her children, and you just happened to meet with her a week ago. It was oh man, it was he's like, She's like, now you're all for women working and being a girl boss.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

No, it was bad, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

It was so bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:27

Yeah, he because I because what I've seen on social media, I don't know, probably last like four months, is you had a lot of people who have come to the position of anti-Zionism, right? Or you know, like anti-JQ or whatever, right? And then they see things like Nick Fuentes flip-flopping on his on his positions, and then they see guys like Andrew Wilson being obviously some type of Zionist. And so now, like you've got like what's her name? The Leonardo Joni, the comedian, Dan Belzarian, James Fishback, and all these guys are pushing back against which seem to be controlled opposition, right? And Andrew Wilson seems to be within that camp of you know, I'll take well, I gotta be careful how to say this. He seem he's appearing to me as if he's taking the position of whoever's willing to give him a stepping stool to the next place.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:36

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

Um and I think that was probably his goal with Candace was he wanted to get exposed to her, her crowd, and it backfired on him bad. Because he just didn't he doesn't have the capability. One, he has he has a chemical dependency on cigarettes, and that Obviously his his ability today. And then like but buddy throwing us in.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:06

Like wait, hold on, knickknack. Yeah, come on, man. What the hell?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

I can't get knickknacks now. If y'all want to smoke smuggle me some knickknacks, I'm down for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

Well, his foot was twitching now. I mean, a lot of people have just habits that they do, but it seemed to get worse. I was talking on my show, his body language got worse, and hers got better. She actually started very poorly because it's like, and I compared it to when I've argued with my wife postpartum. Like, you're arguing about the words, we're arguing in the pre-argument. Like they were getting to that level. That's what I thought. I was like, dude, I can't do this.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

But it's like my kids, they're like, I'm like, hey, go put your plate up, dad. It's a bowl.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:45

Yes. That they she was like arguing the terms of a word. And I'm like, please don't do this for three hours. But then it just like a switch flipped, and he got worse, and she got she stopped with that. She stopped being annoying.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:02

Um, yeah, I didn't think about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

Yeah, he he has to smoke, but and it it obviously affected him because he was getting agitated. Because he just have you ever seen that clip of him where he was on the whatever podcast, and the the opposing girl, OF fan, whatever she was, I don't even remember she was, and she was basically grilling him on the fact that Rachel Wilson has had three different husbands, five babies from three different men, and and he lost his crap. Right? And he lost it, and then there's some other things that have come out about him. Apparently, he claimed to be in the army, and then then he claimed he wasn't, and then Rachel said he was a master gunsmith, you know, and then like there's like all these claims floating out there about him. He just seems to be a guy who's always trying to take advantage of opportunities and says whatever he needs to. Because before this, he really didn't get big till after COVID. Like he didn't when I saw him, yeah. And it because like he did some like manual labor job before that, and like during COVID, he couldn't work, so he just started watching a bunch of like philosophy podcasts and and logic podcasts, and so then he like took it on, which good, like he's pretty good in some aspects when it comes to arguing, you know, and being able to present his case, and he's but it's it's the same fault that Jay Dyer has, his emotions get involved, and he starts like making all kinds of accusations that aren't there.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:28

I mean, that's been the case since 1054 with the East. Yeah, very emotional people, very yes, yeah, I agree. And I the other thing is it's like just because you're a good debater doesn't mean you're a good debater at every topic. Yeah, like nobody could have won this debate unless they to Rob's point, unless they have prosecute prosecutorial evidence because you're literally going into the lion's den with a woman who only talks about this for nine months. You would need at least nine months to get caught up to speed with her because he he would go into these ballistics, and she's like, Well, I've talked to this ballistic expert and this ballistic about like the shirt, yeah, and the the the pager theory, and Andrew just had no follow-up then because it's like, yeah, I mean, how many what he accepted this debate like two weeks ago, one week ago? How many of the experts that Candace has spoken to can you now because you have to then refute those experts? This is a rabbit hole of Wikipedia proportions, man. Like, nobody was gonna win this. No, it was an embed it was a fool's errand, yeah. But yeah, I've seen at least on Twitter a lot of people calling him out. I mean, rightfully or wrongfully, if you're ever suspected of being inauthentic, you will get called

Authenticity, AI, And Online Trust

SPEAKER_00 1:09:49

out. Yeah, are are we all millennials here? Yes, sir. Well no, millennial. I'm like on the I'm on the edge.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:56

I'm like millennial Gen X. Look, it's more how you I'm gonna be whatever that makes me look best.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:02

Okay, apparently we're declaring more on Gen X now.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:05

Over I heard I heard that uh Anthony has a thing against Gen X, so I'm on Gen X, so I can go against he is Gen X, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:11

Somebody told me he was a millennial.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:13

He's an elder millennial, really.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:15

He's like the he's like one of the first millennials. Yep, that's like bi-generational, though. You can float whichever way you act.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:23

Well, I've seen it people born between like 80 and 90, they call centennials. Yeah, I've heard kind of between Gen X and what really is millennials. Like we started with analog everything, and then we kind of went into high school with like digital everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:38

That's like the OG hipster, where you can't just be like, Yes, we're Gen X. Like, no, we're a special centennial.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:47

I showed I showed my kids a tape a couple months ago, and I was like, How would you, you know, what do you think this is? Like, I don't know, is it like a Lego or something? Like, yeah, it's like all this stuff I showed, like a rotary phone. Like they like, how would you dial on this? And they would just like push the button, like it doesn't do anything. That's funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:06

But no, man, millennials, we are so allergic to to inauthenticity.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:12

Like millennials is where it started, right? Where you we start where millennials in this case I'll I'll claim to be a millennial, where millennials we started to because you gotta with millennials because what like AOL came out in like 95, right? So you could claim to be anybody at that time when you're on like the chat rooms or whatever, up until like 99 when they like had Yahoo chat and all that, right? You could claim to be anybody, so I think that's where it started. Gen Z and Gen Alpha now, like they can sm they can smell it like bloodhounds, it's instant. Like, if you if you're not really what you know who you say you are or you're faking it, they could pick it up instantly, which I think is why we see so many Gen Z and Alpha, especially young men, who are turning towards some type of faith now because they're like, hey, this world's BS, yeah, and you know, it it's it's not what I can buy myself every day that makes me happy. I need something more than that. For example, like in my job, one of the things I do is help with it, like a little bit of outreach. But like I tell these some companies, I'll call them companies now that I work with are like, look, you want to attract these younger guys, show them how they can get involved and physically do something. Like, I've got one corporation who I'm telling, like, these younger guys, you've got an outreach to a food pantry, tell them about that, and they'll want to get more involved because they want to be involved in things, right? Unlike the boomers who just want to take, take, take, take, take. Boomers are eternal children, right? It's all about what they can get.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:50

Well, they're all of them. They they literally invented the word teenager. That was like that was like a centennial thing. They there was no such thing as you were either a child or you were an adult. They invented teenager, just like Jen invented centennial. Jason Craig has a really good talk on that, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:07

We had when I did that interview with Jason Craig last week on a voting bad lawn, I've heard he gave a talk about the invention, it's actually a Marxist term, is where it's crazy. And it was to to uh basically delineate that middle adolescent period to try and make it seem like they're more adult than they are so they can make decisions for themselves and and all that, but to try and separate them from the parents, basically.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:32

Yeah, yeah, like the the boot. I man. Well, boom and boomers fall for all the the inauthenticity, where it's like, look, our generation, man, we live through Monte Teo, we know what can happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:48

Look, catfishing was invented while I was in high school, you know, and I was catfished a couple times, you know, and that did not work out well whatsoever.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:59

You know, it's I'm so glad AI did not exist back then.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:04

That's another so I want to so that is another feather in the cap of generation alpha because they're in the point now where they can't believe anything online, yeah. Like you at this point, you know, AI is so good that you just can't count the number of fingers on the hand anymore. Like AI has gotten past that, right? You know, that was only like a year ago. We were like, oh, the hands look weird, it's AI. Now it's like you can't tell.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:30

And Brian Holdsworth really does look like a hobbin in those days.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:37

There's a turkey in Morio.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:40

That's real. Boomers, man, AI jacks boomers up. Oh, so bad. Dude, they fall for it all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:48

Facebook boomers with AI. That's gotta be what the apocalypse is referring to.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:55

Or or that's that's hell, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:58

The man of perdition is just like it's just a taffy generated AI.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:03

You just get continuous Facebook messages from your mom asking if this is real or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:07

It's just over and over and over. A video of Trump flying through the air. Is that real?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:12

Oh, we finally have flying cars, mom.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:16

The the video of the raccoons doing flips on the trampoline. Yeah, mom, that's real.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:22

But like we're getting to the point now where you can't believe anything unless you see it in person, yeah. Yeah, it and it's actually like I'm healthy, yeah. You know, well, and I think what will happen is what you'll start seeing is a lot of a lot of people pushing back from social media, pushing back from you know, digital time, basically, spending their time on some type of digital. And what I'll tell you, one thing I've seen over really the last six months is and this is like trivial, it seems trivial, but it it matters. More and people more people carrying cash. They're not willing to put things on a card or to use the card for things because the amount of fraud that happens every time you swipe your card at a at a Jeep convenience store, right? They're carrying cash for everything now, which goes against like them trying to get rid of cash by making everything super easy with crypto and just swiping your card and Venmo and all that.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:16

The Amish and the Amish aren't gonna like that. No, no, but I think we're starting Amish. Well, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:26

The uh did you see the Amish are going after the flaw cameras?

Flock Cameras And License Plate Tracking

SPEAKER_00 1:16:30

The real ones or the fake ones? Fake Amish. Oh, real Amish, the real Amish. Oh we're on X now. You can say Jews, yeah, yeah. The good, the good, the good Amish.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:41

Well, yeah, the how did it get absolute pacifism, and yet they're they're like, you know what, we gotta go after the flaw cameras.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:49

What's the whole deal with I'm I don't get involved in politics much ever since I became Catholic, but like flock camera is coming across my timeline a lot. Like, what's what is what's the controversy?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:02

Oh we did an entire show on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:04

Oh, all right. I'll so let me give you a rehash, I'll go re-hast.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:07

Let me give you a 30-second, let me give you 30-second rundown. Yeah, basically, they're putting flock cameras everywhere as a digital gulag. The flock cameras are really aren't even the issue because the problem with flock cameras is there's not enough bandwidth for them to actually do what they need to do. So they're using AI.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:22

They're they're automatic license plate readers, ALPR, right. But like Adrian said, they're now they're they're gathering all the data on the license plates they're reading, right? And they're figuring out habits and patterns for what cars are going, where, when they're going, things like that. And what's even worse is other companies are making other items to go on these flock cameras that will the sniffers basically, they'll they'll they'll gather in any electronic transmissions from devices in those cars, so cell phones, the car GPS signals themselves, things like that. And so they'll they'll start to associate certain devices with certain vehicles, and then they'll track that device in other locations with other vehicles, so they can actually using AI, start to figure out who's associating with who, what their patterns are for when they're traveling, where they're traveling to, who they're associate with when they're traveling. Screwed talking to you guys. Well, you were you were with hub flock cameras, anyways, but your issue is you associate with Stephen Cox.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:33

That's your issue.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

We had a show two days ago, and Taffy made a a video of him while the video while we were streaming and put it out because Steven had no idea about the the the war on beauty and the turkey, and he's like, Can you explain this to me? I'm like, not really, not real, not really, Steven, but just it's just it's not real.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:58

That's like me trying to explain like a meme to my wife. Like, look, I've got to explain like seven years worth of memes, yeah, to get you to this point. It's just it just it don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:08

Uh they're all inside jokes cooked up in group chats, but like, so this is a map of all the ALPR devices, all the license plate rated flock and others, and what's I mean, so just to give you an idea. So, this is generally speaking where I live. So, there is a uh flock camera operated by the St. Louis County Sheriff's Department on this just you know, little back road, and it shows you where it's pointing. But I mean, what so I saw online Twitter the other day. We can zoom into Manhattan here, go to the upper west side. Oh, yeah, there's a there's a weird devoid area right here, no flock cameras, except see the the literal line of flock cameras on the borders, like you cannot get in or out without them knowing, but all the rich celebrities and Jews that live in here they won't know what you're doing inside, and keep in mind flock is a private company, so they get around the fourth amendment by the and the police buys access to it, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:15

Right. So if the police are buying access to it, the Jews are buying access to it too.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:20

So now, like this one is the I don't know, it's operated by I don't know who can't see that New York City Department of Transportation, but there are some that are are operated only by a private company, and like Adrian said, that private company will sell the data to a police department, and then the police department doesn't need a warrant, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:45

Because you're not signing up for like I accept the privacy policy of the flock cameras, you're just driving, you're just driving by there, and there was a go ahead, Rob. Are you gonna get a 30 odd six and take care of that one?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:59

I have a 30 odd six, you just need birdshot a nice 20 20-inch shotgun, you'd be fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:05

But so, like, the the only one north of where I'm at in the whole state is in international falls, little little border town. And and we Adrian and I already went over this, but so I pulled up this this this spot on Google Maps, and this is like on a public sideway sidewalk that goes to an alley back here, and it's pointed at this building. And we looked up what that building is. That building is the the DMV for basically most of northern Minnesota. So anyone anyone in like it's north of where I'm at has to go there to get their tabs renewed, get their license plates renewed. I mean, this building actually gives out new license plates to a lot of people, so they they they're they're making sure they're catching your license plate that you just got renewed.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:59

Yep, the vice president of flock has only ever accessed one camera ever. Ever. He's the vice president, and it was a camera that was pointed towards a children's gymnastics area, like it's not pointed at license plate readers, it's not pointed at a road, it's literally pointed at an area where only children go. There's been there's been a lot of reports of people going to their gun range, and there's a flock camera pointed at their gun range, not at the road going by the gun range, at their gun range as people go in and out of the gun range. Like I haven't checked my gun range yet. I'm gonna go check it probably you know next week. But like I've got lay like I if I if I don't go to the gun range anymore, oh well, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

I've got lay in, I can go shoot how easy would like with for the Amish? Like, how easy is this to take out? Like super easy, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:56

Look, all we gotta do is make sure all the meth heads know there's about $300 worth of gold and about a hundred dollars worth of copper in these things, and then they'll all be taken down.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:08

Yeah, dude, my church has copper, like well, now it has a bunch of copper, but it had like copper spouts, and they were getting pulled off by homeless people. So I think we need to let them know.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:23

Well, here's here's another issue is a lot of these municipalities, like for example, I gotta go have it to Chandler, Arizona next month. Channel, I saw a report about Chandler in Arizona where they just ruled in their city council to get rid of their their flock contract, like they're not gonna use flock anymore. That's because they're switching to a company called Axon. Axon is a company that puts drone bases on top of buildings and uses drones instead of flock, so they'll float out drones over areas and and do the same thing Flock was doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:59

That is so dystopian, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:01

It's we are they are building the digital gulag around us, but you want to hear another this conspiracy theory. Do you remember cash

Cars As Rolling Surveillance Devices

SPEAKER_01 1:24:10

for clunkers? Yeah, so cash for clunkers for those of y'all that don't know that are what the seven people who are watching the show. Cash for clunkers was a program back in like 2008 or so where you could turn in your vehicle no matter what, and you would get like four thousand dollars for it, right? Whatever it was to trade into our Nord new vehicle.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:30

Yeah, the government would reimburse dealerships for these, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:34

It was like I remember I remember this, it was like a throwback to like the Great Depression ABC suit programs, and they were like it was Obama's like homage to that, and it didn't do shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:44

So millions of road weather vehicles were turning for people to get new vehicles, right? Now it's you can't find a used vehicle that's reliable for less than ten thousand dollars. Yeah, right. Like it's just not unless you like get just happen to find somebody who had like a 2004 Taurus that has 12,000 miles on it that's sat in a garage forever, and you just need new tires and a new battery. Like outside of that, it's hard to find a used car for less than ten thousand dollars. Now they're passing all these laws where a car has to have inward-facing cameras, has to have GPS on it, it has to have a kill switch and all this, right? And so they're transitioning us to be and only in vehicles where the government can control it because minority privilege driving is a privilege in this country. You don't have a right to drive on on state provided roads or or federally provided roads like the interstates, right? On top of that, hundreds of junkyards have caught fire in the last like six years, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:47

We're on beauty. I only know this because of Taffy, but we're on beauty had an entire episode of this.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:55

That's so they're they're basically forcing us in a position where the only cars we can drive are cars that are basically surveillance vehicles on us. So anybody you know who drives a Tesla, they're the first ones to do this. Yeah, they got cameras all over that thing, and it it and right now, like, oh, it'll show you when somebody like vandalizes your car because we keep seeing it. So they're trying to give you a reason why you should have it, right? But now people are buying like 2027 tundras, and there's like four cameras just facing you as a driver, and if you like close your eyes for more than 10 seconds, it alerts the police.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:33

I'm just yeah, if I am ever in that position, I'm just ripping those suckers out.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:39

Well, then it kills your car and you can't drive it.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:42

You gotta find a game.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:44

Well, and that's that's what it is. Like, so there's nothing there's nothing digital electronic that could not that does not have a vulnerability where you can get past it, right? You just gotta know this is yeah, you gotta know somebody that knows how to do it, right? This is where the hubris of the federal government is, they think they are the smartest people in the room all the time, and they're just theater kids with power, that's all they are, and so they don't understand that people can outsmart them. So that's what's gonna happen. You're gonna see like black market cars all over the place, right? And you know, that's why, like, I I'm trying, I'm I'm looking to buy a diesel truck just because I need one for the farm because I need to be able to haul stuff, but I want something that was built prior to def being required. I don't know if you know what def is what year was 2014 was the first year of deaf. Yeah, I have a 2013 or I have a 2015 tundra. Well, you know, it's not diesel. Yeah, it's only only diesel. So all def is is it's supposed to limit the emissions. Def fluid is just pigure. It's your yeah, it's your eye, it smells disgusting. It's terrible. But like if you get below us, if you get below a certain level, like your your governor kicks in, you can't drive faster than like twenty five miles an hour. But if you get anything you earlier than twenty thirteen. On a diesel, you don't have to worry about it. So I'm looking for like an earlier 2013.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:04

I think the death regulations were just were got rid of by Trump, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:12

Like you still have to buy death on all these vehicles.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:16

So what is uh what's the status on the guns?

GOA Coverage And NFA Workarounds

SPEAKER_00 1:28:20

Am I good to go? Silent. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:22

Which state are you at?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:24

Tennessee.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:25

I think Tennessee is a good state. Tennessee is a free state.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:29

One of the few.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:30

We pulled up, we picked up uh we pulled up a map earlier. What's a free?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:33

I think Tennessee was one of the probably suppressor and I don't know what else.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:38

When it comes to the NFA that just passed, right? So you one, you need to be a member of GOA. You should be a member of GOA the way. Good owners of America. Because it the plaintiffs, it was ruled in favor of the plaintiffs past current members and future members. So if you're a member of GOA, it's $25 a year, you're you're part of the the injunction. But supposedly, and you're the attorney, so I'm gonna let you parse this better. But per the injunction, if you're a member of GOA or you're a customer of Palmetto State or a customer of Silent Arsenal Shop, you are free of the MFA's requirements for a form 4 for these restricted items. So for example, here in Alabama, if I wanted to SBR my rifle, right, take a take the pistol brace off and put a stock on it, I can now without having to pay without registering it and without registering it, pay the stamp or anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:36

So basically most most of the fancy stuff now is just good to go if you're in a the correct state.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:42

Yeah, the issue that we that we're running into right now, there's no guidance coming out from the ATF about yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:48

So like all the gun shops are probably calling their lawyers and like what do we do? And they're basically just telling status quo.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:55

Because like what what is the you know, for instance, what's the legal requirement to prove that someone is you know affected as a plaintiff in this thing and all that stuff because like doa gives you a card when you join them, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:08

They'll send you a card, so that that should be sufficient for that. But the like the problem with that I that I because I I was talking about earlier show that we talked about. I've talked to a few attorney friends of mine here in the state, and they just they're basically just like until we have guidance from the ATF, most local gun shops are gonna be scared to do anything outside of what they've already been doing. Yeah, the problem is because of the injunction, the ATF isn't approving any form fours because the injunction specifically uh took that away from them for these specific players, so they're not doing it for anybody. So if you're in the process of trying to get a suppressor right now and you're waiting on your form four to be approved, well, it's you're in limbo until the whatever guidance comes out. But if you like I said, if you have a AR pistol and you want to throw a stock on that thing and you're in a free state, check with your state laws just to make sure, but you should be okay. You could also make your own suppressor if you wanted, and you could print your own suppressor.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:07

How do you do that, Rob? Is this entrapment? I mean, I've never done it, but you know, there's the whole I don't know if it's an urban legend, but you know, taking an oil filter, putting a thread adapter on and drilling a hole on the other side.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:26

You don't even need a thread adapter on most oil filters, really. But for a 556, it's usually half it's a half-inch thread. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:35

I want I need to get a suppressor for my I mean my home defense is just a nine millimeter, but I'm like, dude, that's gonna be so loud in my house if it's it's what what what sort of pistol? Well, I have I have a Hellcat right now with an extended mag.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:53

I'm gonna upgrade to a Glock 19 for my either one of those, just keep in mind you'll need a Nielsen device with any suppressor.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:01

Okay, Nielsen, unless you get the pick notes here, unless what is a Nielsen device.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:06

I'm just curious. Unless you so the problem with with pistols is there's not enough powder to reciprocate enough to reload the next round when you use a suppressor, so because a lot of that gas is getting trapped, so it's not yeah, so it won't it won't re-rack, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:23

Because there's no gas port or anything on a on a non-millimeter, you know that Luigi Mangioni uh cares. The reason why in the video you see him, it looks like he's he's having a malfunction, he's having to re-rack his slide with every shot because he he didn't have a his 3D printed suppressor didn't have a Nielsen device.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:43

What's the deal with all the like spy movies where they've got these suppressors on them? Um is that just Hollywood?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:48

That's just Hollywood.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:50

Really? Wow, unless it's a 22.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:52

22s are pretty quiet.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:55

But they'll re-rack they'll they'll rack. Well, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:00

If you get a Nielsen device, it that will do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:03

Oh, okay. Okay, it's still not super solid, though. No, but if you get there, so there's this pressure out there called a hush puppy, and it doesn't use a traditional baffle system. It has like a membrane at the end that you can replace, and you can get like 20 rounds out of it super quiet. Then after that, you gotta replace the the membrane, but you're not gonna shoot 20 rounds at somebody in your house. But it's it doesn't need a Nielsen device because of the way it's designed. There are some pistols that do not need a Nielsen device either, or at a 92 if I but if I've got a if I've got a Glock, what I'm hearing is I just need to get a Nielsen device.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:43

But I did I hear you guys say it's less reliable then?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:46

No, no, no, not with the Nielsen device.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:48

Okay, should be fine. The Glock Nielsen suppressor, I'm good. Okay, yeah, yeah.

Suppressors, Nielsen Devices, And Reality

SPEAKER_00 1:33:53

Because I'm I we just moved into a new home and I've had to reconfigure the whole self-defense thing. And I asked you guys a question because I had a really scary moment the other night. I heard someone in my house, and I've shifted the I don't want to say this. Well, I get nobody's really watching, but I I shifted where the handgun is. Okay, and I knew this was a vulnerable. That's a subtle big. I I need an I need a new handgun that's by my bedside, but I did not have it. So I retreat into the closet and I get the AR. And but it doesn't have a light on it.

unknown 1:34:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:30

Now I'd only use the light to flash. I'm not gonna be stupid as hell to like just keep it on, then I'm just gonna get taken out. And I didn't rack it because and this is something like you know, I need to practice more and think through more, obviously, because it's gonna make a loud sound. The the way the the bedroom was configured, it's a very odd setup, but I wasn't, you know, I was I was in a defensive position, probably pretty good, but I didn't want to rack it because I don't want to give away my position. Now, there's a couple of issues with that. One is the amount of time if something does pop out, but then, anyways, what ended up happening is with my daughter, and then it freaked the shit out of me, right? Sorry, I don't know how you guys are on cursing on this show, but you're fine. Like, I was like, I mean, look, I'm not an idiot, I'm not gonna point at anything I'm not ready to kill, and I'm gonna get trigger discipline, but the whole sequence made me realize I need to think through some things. One, I've got to, I mean, look, it the the way the corners are in my house, an AR is completely unnecessary. A handgun is perfectly fine, everything's within 10 feet, so I need to upgrade that. I'm totally comfortable racking. I don't know why for some reason I just didn't want to rack the AR. It was probably stupid. I should have racked, and then same with any handgun. But the whole thing with the kids freaks the crap out of me. Yeah, especially when they get older and they may look like and that's why I'm I'm like, okay, I also need light on almost anything I'm gonna grab for home defense because I gotta ID first, you know, because as they get older, a shadow or you know, an in-law, especially my boomer parents as they get older and start wandering around like zombies. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, you can't just shoot at a silhouette. So I don't know, what are your guys' takes on that? It really freaked me out, and I realized I was a little unprepared, even though I had given mental thought to it. Once we moved, everything my my setup at the old place was perfect, but now I'm like, like, what are your what are your guys' takes on that? You want this wrong?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:51

Not sure where to start. Your AR was I would start you you do need a light, yeah. I need a light on everything, right? Like this, this is my Glock 19.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:02

It has a TLRX 7X I love how you guys are like on solo, you just both pop them out.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:07

But well, that's why we're on X, so we can we can actually do this. Oh, okay. So I've got a light on everything that I everything I carry.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:14

So I have a light, I have a light on my spring field, which I when I what used to be on my bedside, had the extended, which was perfect because I that can flex to home defense ahead of the light. Yep, so I definitely agree with the lay. I gotta get the light, but what about like the racking and the I mean, I think I need to rack, but like one you always need if it's a pistol, you always need one in the chamber, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:40

Right? Because you're gonna be racking for the rest of your life if you don't have one in the chamber. You always need, and as far as your kids, you need a safe or something they can't get into that buttons. A super simple one is a is a company called Stop Box. I've got safe, it's not electronic whatsoever, uh, so you don't have to worry about the battery going out. I have one at my office and I have one at the house, and it keeps the kids that from being able to get into it. Yep, okay. While their kids are young right now, if you just keep it out of the reach, like you know, sometimes I can just keep it on top of the fridge, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:14

They my wife doesn't even have the arm strength to chamber any of my so but as they get older, my kids now like my youngest is six.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:23

Uh I've got four kids between age of six and thirteen. And my kids now know one, they know how to rack this thing if they need to and clear it because I've taught them, right? Right, but they also know not to touch it, yeah. Right, and they know you know all the safety rules. Like my boy has a BB gun, and before he goes out, he has to tell me all the safety rules before he does goes out every single time. So it's just about training for your kids and getting them to understand this is this is dangerous, but it's also a tool. Yeah, right. You just need proper training on it. But while your kids are if your kids like two, my oldest that yeah, so just keep it out of their reach or keep it in a safe.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:03

Was the AR it was the AR in a safe? Yes, everything's in a safe. Then I would keep I would just keep the AR loaded and chambered. Yeah, yeah. If it's something you think you might end up using in home defense, and if it's secured, then there's uh there's no reason.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:18

Then you just bypass the racking question by yeah, preferred.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:22

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:24

So long as you're safe and secure, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:26

If you're if you're not if it's not in a safe, if you just keep one out of the chamber, your kids can't do it. They just they're not strong enough to do it, and they don't know how to use the safety or anything, right? So it's not that big of a deal at that point, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:42

Well, it was more it was more the fear of the fear of my child, because I mean I had the gun pointed at the door, and she came through the flag zone. I mean, I lifted it, but uh it yeah, it it was one of the worst feelings ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:00

Well, even if it had been chambered, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:02

What well that that was the problem is I was like, well, if this had been a person, I would have had to chamber it and he could have gotten me, so I failed there, and then the fact that I flagged my daughter, even if with an unchambered, it just was a bad, bad feeling.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:16

I was like, here's the thing when it comes to flagging. When the more confidence and the more training you have, and especially the more advanced training you do, you're going to flag people. It's just going to happen, right? You have to have the confidence knowing that you're you've got your finger straightened off the trigger, your safety on. You do it all the time. Like when I did a lot of training in the Marines, and then in fact, I did I did better training when I got out of the Marines than I did in the Marines. I had a Green Beret who I used to do a lot of training with in Georgia when I got out of the Marines. And when you're doing some of this stuff, man, you can't get around it. Right. You're going to flag people, right? You just have to understand like you have the discipline not to have your finger on the trigger and that you identify the target before you do anything. So right now, if you don't have the confidence for that, then that's fine, right? If you don't have the confidence comes with experience, yeah, and so the more you train, because I'm gonna encourage you, go get training, go pay for training, go pay for training for people who know what they're doing. And if you want to send them to me, be like, hey, is this I'll be happy to look at it for you. Stay away from any NRA trainers, first of all. But the more training you get, the more confident you'll get. Like, I in my house, I don't keep one in the chamber on my rifle uh right now. And there's a reason the reason for that mostly is because my kids are in my room all the time, and they don't they can't do it, they're not strong enough to do it. But two, my bedroom is almost like a a black hole of sound. You can't hear anything going on in my room from the rest of the house.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:00

I see. So yeah, you wouldn't alert anyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:02

So I you know, but also my rifle in my house that I would use is a 300 blackout suppressed. So if I needed to use it, like the kids aren't even gonna wake up, they're not gonna hear it. It's just blood on the floor, like everywhere. Um, but uh, you know, other some other enablers I have, like I I have thermals, I have nods, yeah. You know, so and I've trained with them, so I uh but even if you didn't, right? Even if I just had a 300 blackout suppressed with light on it, like you know, and it when it comes to your home, you want to make it as hard as for somebody to see you as possible, right? So the lower you can get the better. If you could be laying on the ground, somebody's coming through the door and pop them in their tea box.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:46

I already my wife's already like, Why did you move like our digital calendar? I'm like, everything inside is dark, everything outside is light. So all right, so it sounds like what I need to make a couple adjustments. It's if you got a good safe, which I do, put one in the chamber, bypass that, get some comfortable training because flagging will happen, and get a light on the only reason the AR didn't have a light is because I've never used it for home defense. I always had the pistol.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:17

So and then that window behind you is that go to a back porch.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:21

No, it's uh the driveway.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:24

So so there's you need to get some like you need to get some blackout film on it or something. So they can't see in. So they can't see in, or get some blinds and have them angled down, right? You don't want to have them angled up because they can see through it easier.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:39

But oh right now, I'm I'm a sitting duck right now, yeah. Yeah, you lights are on. Yeah, it'd be real bad for you right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I've I've and I I've got to work out the geography of the house right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:52

Are you did you move to an area that's a little bit higher crime?

SPEAKER_00 1:43:58

It depends on the type of crime. It's not it's not statistically significant enough that I need to be worried, it's more that it's a bigger house. I don't have enough guns to spread out or concealment or safes, or or so there's vulnerabilities in where I can move to access a defense weapon. That's my biggest problem. So I'm I'm currently I because I use I just used to sleep next to one of the the vault safes, vault texts, yep. Easy access. I got the code in there, it's got a power reserve. So even if the power goes out, and it was always you know, I had 17 rounds in.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:39

So

Home Defense Setup With Kids

SPEAKER_01 1:44:40

do you do you have any cameras on the outside of your house? No, I would look into getting some cameras put up outside, especially some motion detected cameras, and they don't have to be ring cameras. You that you can get hardwired ones to go to a and that that still have access to an app, but you want cameras facing all avenues approach, right? So you do one at the corner of your house and it looks at like all the windows along the back and the back door, right? So you'll get alerted anytime someone's there, something going from the front door, you know, something that can see all the windows, right? Because I in my property I've got one, two, three, four, five cameras, and I probably should do have two more.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:19

See, I take I take the opposite approach in case I do something slightly wrong in the defense, there's no evidence, but sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:31

Why is your hard drive been wiped for the camera system? Don't worry about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:36

But I I have it because like I'm I live pretty remote, and if someone's on my property, they're here. Right, yeah, you need more distance view, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:45:45

I need to be if either of you, I know you're blackout, but Rob, what's your like I you only have one home defense gun? What's your go-to? Oh man, that's tough. Rob's gonna spend so much time picking. It's like a woman trying to pick out her outfit. It is criminal's already stolen all the goods by the time of the local. You're already dead. You're already dead. I know. Well, I mean, what's the one that is like next to you? Isn't there like right now?

SPEAKER_02 1:46:17

I have five of them next to me. Okay, but like so, so like that, like in our in our bedroom. I have I have a Voltex safe as well with uh with my shadow systems MR920 in there that's got a light and and optic on it, and it's always loaded and chambered, so you know if it's middle, yeah, yeah. So like I have cleared the house in the middle of the night with that one a couple times.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:42

Well uh once also because of children. But but I mean, if I had time, you know, or something, I would have a safe downstairs with uh uh an AR if it's a chamber as well. So I would probably just go to that.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:55

Yeah, there's nothing worse than waking up at like 3 a.m. and you have like a five-year-old staring at you right next to your bed. Like, I don't know if y'all know how many times I've almost punched my kids.

unknown 1:47:08

Look at him.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:09

Oh, you're one of mine.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:12

I I don't know, Adrian, how how much credence you get because you know you see these guys who go on like the Sean Ryan podcast and Joe Rowan, you don't know, like, is this like a CIA plant or whatnot, but the sheriff of Baghdad? I don't know, I don't know if you're familiar with him, but yeah, yeah, I don't know if he's legit or not, but I've seen some of his home defense advice, and it seems to check out.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:35

He was like, Look, he uh he's got some good advice. There's some things I would ignore on him, like he's not a fan of red dots on a pistol, right? But he's he's also a product of an earlier generation before there were red dots, right? So, like I you know, whatever. He's he's used to shooting with iron sights all the time. You know, he's good with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:55

Fine. He you can you can tell he's a lot more gruff when it comes to yeah, but his advice was keep a pistol by your bedside and then retreat to something more lethal if you have time.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:08

Yeah, well, the whole purpose of my pistol is to get to my rifle, right? Yeah, yeah, because uh you know one my pistol only has 15 rounds in it, or 18 if I have a extended mag, but my rifle is gonna be way better to defend my my family, it has way more better blitz, has better bliss, way more rounds. I can see farther with it, it's suppressed, which is you know, it has a lot to it as well. But yeah, and that's what you know that's one thing I would agree. Now, would I let would I allow him around my wife? Absolutely not. Yeah, would you what I would not allow him around around my wife, but other than that, like if I needed somebody to go to war with me, yeah, I'm picking that guy first.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah.

PCCs, MP5 Talk, And Gear Value

SPEAKER_00 1:48:54

I gotta think about I I think I need also one of those SMG types, MP5 or equivalent. Get the Kuna, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:05

Just the uh the Springfield Kuna. That's what I was looking at. There's a there's a company who makes a air that with a super safety in it, so it basically becomes full auto if you want it. Put a suppressor on it, and it's like a poor man's MP5, right? Yeah, yeah. That's that's my that's you know, that's my next big purchase is I want to get a kuna with a load with a super safety loader on it and get a throw can on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:35

I'll just like Rob has first hand experience here.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:38

Rob has a Kuna and an MP5. Yeah, this is my kuna.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:44

Nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:44

It's a it it is a sweet shooting little gunner.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:48

I mean, I watched enough reviews on it. I'm like, look, like if they can't say anything bad about it, really, yeah. They're like, well, if you drop it really hard, I'm like, it's gonna sit in my closet safe. Not like I'm not going to war with it, man. Like I'm shooting like a burglar once every 50 years, mate. If I'm unlucky of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:09

I actually prefer it a little bit over. No, I have the the the SP5K. MP5K.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:19

So well the MP5s are just more expensive, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:22

I was gonna say this is like a third of the price of that, and I actually prefer shooting this thing over.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:32

Yes. Is why they're and and it's HK, which is just super expensive anyway. Like HK makes a phenomenal AR, but you're gonna pay for it. Yeah, you're gonna pay for it, but it's phenomenal. Like it's you don't have to worry about a thing on that rifle, and it'll last you, you'll pass it down to your grandkids, but you're paying for it, right? It just with most with most firearms, with especially with accessories, there are diminishing returns on how much you pay for something, right? Like, for example, like I don't buy surefire anything anymore, it's just not worth the money. Right, I can buy three streamlights for one surefire, and you're really just paying extra money for surefire because it's battle. You know, we used it in Afghanistan, we used it in Iraq, it you know, it's basically bomb proof, but you're paying three times the price for 10% better, right? It's not that much better. Dude, Glock is not the best handgun out there, but the thing's gonna fire every time you pull the trigger, right? Right, whereas if you buy like a 320, it's gonna fire when even when you don't pull the trigger.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:38

Dude, trust trust me. I got into the horrible rabbit hole of men's watches recently. And boy, do you like the diminishing return ceiling that you hit is wild, like tens of thousands beyond that.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:55

And you've like the the you can get all this cra, and it's like, yeah, but it's we got so my community in the Marine Corps, we're a very small community of the job that I did, and uh, we're looking into getting a custom watch for our community. So, like all the guys we've gotten out, some of the guys who are in were on, and so guys. So we're we're looking at getting we're looking at three companies. We were looking at Brightling, Omega, and Sangin, because they do custom watches. Okay. So Sangin is one Sangin is a district in Afghanistan. It was it was created, it was founded by some Marines who came back from Afghanistan and started, they built all their own watches.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:33

It's all they're like a micro micro brand, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:36

Yeah, and they're not they don't form it out to China like a lot of these other players, right? That's awesome, and they make their own, right? But the difference is the Sangans like we're gonna be this will be between sixteen and eighteen hundred bucks for the watch, or omega and bright link are gonna be like four to five thousand, yeah, right. And I'm like, one, if I'm paying four to five thousand, I'm getting a Rolex, but two, like not much of one. No, you're not getting a Rolex for that, man. I'm one day job, I'm one to also like I'm pretty hard on my watches, yeah. So I don't want to spend five thousand on a watch that I might break in a year because I live on a farm, yeah, kids, right? You might want to get a citizen eco drive for like six or nine bucks. I have I have a couple citizen eco drives actually, and I've broken three of them, but that like it would just be like a dress watch, pretty much, right? But even when it comes to watching like most of these watches are built in Vietnam, Thailand, and China. Almost, even if you get one with Swiss internals, it's built in Vietnam, Thailand, or China. The other four you're paying five thousand dollars for a thirty dollar watch.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:45

All my research showed that after three grand, you're usually paying brand. Like, I would say between BrightLien and and Omega, Omega is worth even the extra grand because I don't think Brightling is very good right now, but the whole Afghanistan story and the price, I don't know, that's pretty cool, man. Yeah, like because it's memorable then, like, yeah, but yeah, I mean long jean, long gene is like the best, and Hamilton, because Rob, I remember you mentioned you'd had a couple Hamiltons.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:22

I have some Hamilton's. I just got a Formax, that's my newest one.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:28

Those are the two brands that because like I just got addicted to watching the YouTube videos. I have I have watched the ratio of YouTube videos on watches to watches I've actually purchased is so skewed. But the the brands that come up the most as like best pound for dollar is Longine and Hamilton, like across all like because you know you got different influencers, and yeah, it's like dude, when you're hearing the same thing from like 20 different people, probably true, unless there's a giant conspiracy theory with Hamilton to like pay them off. But Omega is watching Omega to me is the goal, though. I like even though it's you're losing value, the Omega C master is such a gorgeous watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:12

Those James Bond ones he wore, like maybe one day the last the last watch I got was a by a company called Outcast, and it's a it's a range finder. I was gonna say, is it the ballistic watch? No way. It's so cool. Like you can see if I can find it. But uh, it will no, it's not, it's it's more mechanical range. Let me see if I'll find it. But a buddy of mine sent it to me. Let's see if I can find it. A bunch of people on Twitter just got the most recent shooting. So if you do if you do long drain shooting, here it is. I always forget I have to come back and do it. All right, so it's got a lot of range finding capabilities to it. So you know, it's got mills, moas, you know, wendage and all that. So you basically dial the bezel to dial in to whatever your windage is and everything. But it's like it's awesome. I like I can dress like it's it's nice enough to where I can wear it to work, but if I want to go to the range after work, I don't have to change my watch, you know. Because I've got like a I've got a what is it, a Garmin something. And it's got like a ballistic tactical app on it and stuff. It's like electric, you know, it's like a computer watch type of whatever, and it's fine, you know, it's mostly what I wear when I'm out of work. But I have a my wife bought me a citizen eco drive like ten five years, six years ago for Christmas. And the my only issue with it is because I don't like to buy expensive watches because they break. Yeah, I'll hit them against something or whatever, and it they'll break. But once my kids are out of the house, maybe I'll buy one. But she bought me a city, and then my only issue is the illumination on the hands is garbage, like it has to sit out in the sun for like three days to even you know pick up a little bit. But this thing, man, I had in front of like a my alarm light for like five seconds, and the thing was glowing like the sun.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:24

The loom is good, yeah. That's why I like die, I like dive watches because the loom's good, but I also because I bill hours like just setting the bezel, yeah, and then I can just that was the thing. I had an Apple Watch, and you know, the Apple Watch does so much, yeah. Yeah, but the only thing I ever did was track my billables, and I'm like, a freaking dive watch looks way classier and do the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:51

Well, and no one's passing down an Apple Watch to their kids, no, yeah. I mean, those things are obsolete in like five years, right? You know, and and and and not only that, but that thing's tracking you everywhere. Like I my phone's already tracking me, like I don't need my watch tracking me too.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:06

Trust me, if the if the government ever comes after me, like all the electronics are just gone. I'll uh I'll I'll shove that, I'll tie it to my dog and let him go loose.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:19

Yeah, yeah, but like like all my I don't buy other than my Garmin, and which I only got it because and and you can put it on they call it night mode where it disconnects from everything, and it's just but it it's also got a solar capability to it, so it'll last forever. Like I've got a Casio watch that does that, yeah. Like I've never I've never got a new battery yet, and I've had that thing for 20 years almost at this point.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:45

Navy seal had a good battery, allegedly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:50

Allegedly, the seals is that's all they need, but but I mean, like I've got a watch, I've got an old Seiko watch that my great uncle gave me, and he bought it in like the 60s, right? And like I still have it. I'm gonna give it to my son, yeah. He's old enough and he can take care of something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:06

So when I obviously like I got into this, I like I bought a few because I could, and I was like super excited, and then I realized this is kind of weird because like oh, I bought this watch just because I liked it, and the thing I learned was you have to tie the watch, but even if it's just a you know, $300 Timex or whatever, you you should tie your watch purchase to a memorable event. And I I found something really cool to do because I had my grandpa just passed and he always wore a watch, and so I looked it up in you know my iPhotos and I identified it, and then eBay, you can find anything on eBay, yeah, the exact watch. So now it's like anytime a loved one passes, even if they never wore a watch, like I know one that maybe they wore 20 years ago, or and I'll just buy something similar, it reminds me of them that or like a major promotion or life event. Buy a watch for every child. There you go, and then you could pass it on to them. It's just it's a it's a way, even if you have ten thousand

Watches, Consumerism, And Meaning

SPEAKER_00 2:00:15

dollars to spend, it's a way better way to do things than just oh well. I bought like three watches this month because I liked them. So yeah, that's gonna end in the donation pile in 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:27

I did that with I did that with a rosary with my son. The day he was born, I bought a rosary. That's all every rosary I prayed until he hit first communion was with that rosary, and then I gave it to him for his first communion. That's awesome. Every every rosary I had prayed for was for him. So I when he hit his first communion and I gave it to him, like, look, you know, I've had this blessed. And my kid, like my two oldest, or my oldest right now, she was confirmed by Cardinal Burke about a couple years ago. And we've, you know, that might happen again with my other two, my next two. But you know, he knows like every and the same thing with my daughter. I bought her a rosary three years before her first communion, two, two, three years, and I prayed with it every day until it was for her first communion that gave it to her. So now all my kids know, like, yeah, this is special, this is something important. My son has a rosary now that I Roman Catholic gear, and it was like one of the old World War I ones, but it's gold plated, and I got them for like a steal, man. I got them for like 20 bucks, they're usually like 80, 90 or whatever, and because they were trying to get rid of them. And I so I had started a troops of St. George here in Birmingham, and I had a contest for all the boys in the troop, and for whoever came up with the best prayer for our that we would start every troop meeting with, and and it was blind, like I didn't, I was out of the judging, like I did not, I was not allowed to judge because my son was putting one in, and it was it was a blind contest. So we basically I basically read every of the prayers, uh there's like 10 of them, and I let everyone else vote on who won, and my son won, right? And I was like, Oh, that looks horrible, you know. But he won the rosary, and he loves that rosary, yeah. Like he just because he won it, right? And now that's the only one he prays with.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:23

In the age of just mass consumerism, it's you gotta tie it to things, and like that's the problem with me. Like, I went I churned through like 10 rosaries. So I had a rosary that I got on confirmation from my mother-in-law, and I prayed that thing so much it had a wire connector, it was like a wire one, it would like leave indents in my hand. I prayed the crap out of that thing, and one day I was dry, I used to drive stick, and it it just broke right was my hand was on the the shifter, so it just went all over the car, like gone, like I couldn't repair it, and then I went and then I spiraled. I just I I just bought all these different rows because I couldn't find one that like replaced it, yeah. And then I realized I'm like, you've got to tie this to an event, or you're just gonna constantly buy these things and then get choice paralysis, like Rob and his guns, because I've got too many. So I love that idea, man. Like, like, if I buy one I like, pray it for three more years until my daughters can find that, and then give it to her and be done with it, and then and then buy another one for the other one.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:32

Yeah, my so before my so I came back to the faith when I was like I don't know 35, 36.

Rosaries, Conversion, And Family Faith

SPEAKER_01 2:03:41

And my wife and I, we had been married at this point probably eight years, and it was a hard time during our faith or during our marriage, like not when I was in Afghanistan getting shot every day, you know. It wasn't when I was a firefighter and I was running into burning buildings when we weren't going to the same place on Sundays. Yeah, it was that was the hard because my wife's from Birmingham, she knew no Catholics ever. She knew one Catholic and they didn't go to Mass, which is funny now because she's now friends with that girl again, and she's at our parish, and she's like a Latin mass devout Catholic now, which is funny. That's funny. But and but I when I came back to the faith, I bought a rosary from Rugged Rosaries, it was the Catholic gentleman rosary, and I prayed that every day. And I was given advice by a very good priest there in in Georgia, and he basically told me, He's like, You can't convert your wife, all you can do is pray for her and love her, and that's it. Yeah, and then you know, hopefully, God will, you know, the Holy Spirit will open up her heart and she'll convert. But I bought my wife a rosary when I bought mine, and I gave it to her. I was like, look at you know, she's like I was like, I know you don't understand this, but I want you to have this, so if you ever want to pray it with me, I'd be happy to do that. 10 years later, now my wife came in the church in 2019, and you know, we've been going to the Latin Mass for you know five years now, maybe, and that's her favorite rosary. That's awesome. That's the one I gave her. Yeah, and she has that one most of the time, that's the one she prays with most of the time, and just her having it and giving it that put the inkling in her mind to start with, right? For her to eventually convert. Because I tell you, when I told her I was going back to the mass and I was going back to the Catholic Church, she was upset. She was mad, she was crying, she's like, I feel like you're telling me you're becoming Muslim, and uh and uh but you know, three years later, it was uh in fact, what started it was 2018. I was we were moving to from Georgia to Alabama. My wife came to me one day, she's like, Hey, would you ever want to move to Alabama? And before she got Alabama out of her mouth, I was like, Absolutely get me out of Atlanta. I hate this place. Yeah, so but we found her a job, put my house on the market, sold my house all within two weeks. And so we moved to Alabama, and we got here in May of 2018, and I had you know, I've been coming back to the church for probably you know two years at this point, and uh she and during so my birthday was in May, and she said, What do you want for your birthday? This was before it was like right as we were about to move. And I was like, I just want you to read. I've been trying to get my wife to read a book for like 10 years, yeah. Like Rob has heard this story, so I'm like well, I'll tell it to you again. And so, like during our marriage, I had read a bunch of books she had read just to you know just show common interest, whatever to give you an idea of some of the books I read. His favorite was Twilight Twilight Twilight series, uh, for my wife, right? I read the notebook. Oh no, man, just and I kept trying to give her books, and she would never read books ever. I gave her like Game of Thrones and like like all these, and she watched the Game of Thrones series, but she never read the books. Well, 2018, I was like, all one for my birthday is I want you to read a book. She's like, What book? I was like, I want you to read Rome Sweet Home, dude.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:02

I knew you were gonna say that because that's perfect. So with Kimberly, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:10

So you know this is going now. So we're she's reading the book, and I had found a job doing like a call center or something because when I moved to Alabama, Alabama wouldn't recognize my certifications in the fire department. They're gonna make me go back to rookie schools. Like, well, I'm not doing that, I'm 37 years old, I'm too old for that. Yeah, so I was like, Well, I'll just go back to school and I'll be a nurse or something because I was a paramedic and that's the easy transition. But so I'm working at this like call center thing, and she's reading Rome Seed Home. We go to Mass for Father's Day. We actually go to the Saturday anticipatory mass for Father's Day. Her parents come over to watch the kids so we just me and her can go, and her parents are not on board with me going back to Catholic, they're super positive, and they're like her mom's kind of like very conspiratorial as well. She thinks like the black Jesuits were in the run the world and everything, but so like they're giving no, it's someone else, yeah. They're actually they have right concept, but they have even smaller hats than the Jesuits, but so they're giving me hell as we're about to go, and like my my father-in-law's had a couple to drink, right? So he's like giving it to me, and like I'm fresh off my like Catholic answers I watched or listened to earlier that day, so I'm getting right back to him. So we go to mass, we go to this Saturday Mass at this local Novus Ordo, and it was terrible, it was the absolute worst mass that I could have ever taken her to. The deacon was the one who provided the homily, and it was one of those things where, like, all the dads, raise your hand, you know, kind of thing. The music was provided by a 15-year-old with a tuba, right? It was just the worst. So I'm explaining to my wife why she can't receive, right? Like, look, I like it at this point. I can't receive because I'm in an irregular marriage, and I can't receive either until we regularize the marriage and I go to confession. That because I can't go like at this point, it's been like two years and I haven't received the Eucharist. And so I'm explaining, and she's mad. She's like, What do you mean I can't receive? I'm like, Well, you can't, you're not Catholic, you know. And I explained to her why she's all mad. So mass ends and we leave, and we're walking out to the car, and she goes, I can't believe that was a Catholic Mass. And I was like, Don't worry, it barely was, right? The next Sunday, her parents come over again, watch the kids. We go to another mass, and it is at my current parish, it's the Latin Mass, but it he does a 9 a.m. English Novus Ordo.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:45

The parish is beautiful, and the mass is okay. His homily was great, but she's like, Oh, that was much better. I was like, Oh, you know, maybe she's you know, come on to something. The next week, we're driving around downtown Birmingham. I'm not really working very much. My wife's bringing in most of the money because she's a nurse, and we're like just out and about with the kids. I've only we've got three kids at the time, and uh we go by a bookstore downtown Birmingham, and as we're leaving the bookstore, we're passing the cathedral. She's like, Is that a Catholic church? Like, yeah, that's a cathedral. She's like, Can I go in? It's like sure. So I pull over.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:20

Dude, at that point, you must have been like, This is happening.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:23

Well, I was like, I didn't know really what to think, right? At this point, I was like, I'm I'm gonna encourage her all the time. So I pull over and it's street parking, it's downtown. She walks in, she's in for like 20 minutes. And I'm like, What is she? You know, I'm just waiting there, you know. I've got my phone, I'm just scrolling, waiting for her to come out, wondering what she's doing. She comes out and she looked like she'd been crying. And uh like, you okay? She's like, Yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine. That's like okay. Um and I'll let my wife drive because I'm not suicidal, so we drive off. And that night I'm asleep because I have to get up at like 4 a.m. to go to work, and she wakes me up, like shakes me awake at like 11 o'clock because she she reads in bed and she's reading Rome Sweet Home, and she wakes me up and she's crying. I was like, What's wrong? I was like, is are the kids okay? She's like the kids are fine. She's like, I feel like God's calling me to become Catholic. And because she had read been reading Rome Sweet Home, she had been identifying with Kimberly's uh chapters because she was super mad and she couldn't find any fault in anything. So that fall she started RCIA, and we actually went to a local church, they actually the church where my kids were going to school because we put my kids in Catholic school, or at least one of my kids, and it was a classical curriculum, you know, and that's the reason we chose it. And the the nun that was there that was gonna, she was like a pantsuit nun. Oh no, and so one aspect of it was my wife was like, I've never seen a nun before, like somebody who gave themselves to Jesus. That's that's you know, everything, but she doesn't look like a nun. I was like, Well, let's go check out the cathedral, we'll go to the cathedral. And like the catechism cast completely taught by the priest. Completely. Like every single aspect of it. And so she that's where she ended up going. She came in and come to the church. And uh in Easter of 2019, she came to the church. By 2021, we're going to live mass. And now she would not have a day. And now, in fact, she went to Nashville last weekend with my daughter. My oldest daughter has an has an my niece. My brother-in-law is a musician in Nashville. And he's the lead guitarist and band manager for uh do you know who Morgan Wade is? You're her. She's like a up-and-coming country star, whatever. She's been in like Landman, I think is the show, maybe. Or no, the Denton Ranch. She's like doing some acting whatever. Anyway, he's a he's a musician in Nashville. He does pretty well for himself. But my niece and my oldest daughter have really close birthdays. And my my wife took my daughter up there for them to have like a birthday weekend together. And they had to go to a Saturday mass. And my it upset my wife.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:06

Where'd they go?

SPEAKER_01 2:13:09

Hendersonville?

SPEAKER_00 2:13:12

Our Lady of the Lake.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:14

Maybe. I don't know. I didn't ask her to the parish.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:17

Bro, I used to live five minutes ago.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:20

She says, like the tabernacle is nowhere to be seen.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:23

Yes, yes. Okay, that's Our Lady of the Lake. I know exactly. And and uh the crucifix is this floating gold. Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:31

She said something about that, but she was upset. It's bad. It was she said it was terrible. Because we've always had the practice when we go when we travel anywhere, we make sure we're traveling has a Latin mass, and we're gonna be there on Sunday. Like when we go to the Gulf Coast here, like we've got there's an SSPX chapel down in Destin, St. Anthony Marie Clarette, or we go to there's one in Pensacola, there's another diocese in Latin Mass. Uh Beach, yeah. Yeah, so we make sure we're around Latin Mass and we're they're gonna be there on a Sunday, right? And that I've I've made that a point. Like my kids' faith is of the utmost importance. If it was just me and my wife, we could go to like a unicorn and suffer, yeah. We'd be fine, but my my kids, I will not compromise. Yep, absolutely.

Latin Mass Access And Building Community

SPEAKER_01 2:14:21

And so we always make that, but she and she kicked herself the entire time for doing it because she she was basically trying to please other people based on their schedule, and so she's going to the the easiest mass for them to be able to go to.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:39

And she's like, Oh, you know, I'm gonna try to do this on Saturday because she would get home as soon as she could, but she hates it because assumption, so assumption is the diocesan Latin. There's two diocesan Latin masses in Nashville.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:52

There was one that was closed, like due to construction or something.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:55

That's that's my parish, and it is absolutely beautiful, incredibly traditional. We actually our priest revised the Easter, you know how like they removed the Easter prayers Pius XII did for the due to the Holocaust and all that. Yeah, yeah. Our priest reverted that, so it's like yeah, which is funny because our priest did too.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:22

Yeah, we still say it.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:24

Uh so but that is gorgeous. Um I wish that she'd been able to experience that, but yeah, and the only other one is in Ashland City, which is very nice. But for if you guys were in Hendersonville, that's it's like a 40-minute drive, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:36

Yeah, it's and I hate driving through Nashville now because the traffic is terrible. Because I I grew up in Boulevard, Kentucky my entire life. And what they've got, you know, there's a Dominican parish up there, Kentucky. The Dominican Right. There's the SSPX chapel, there's an FSSP cherrip. But here in Alabama, we have no traditional orders whatsoever. All we have is diocese of the Latin Mass. We have a Latin mass monastery here in Coleman, uh Christ the King, but you're not allowed to register there. But we have no so if something were to happen to my mass, we'd have nothing. Now I'm uniquely positioned because I'm only an hour and a half away from the one in Georgia. So I could just tough it out and go to that if I needed to, but and I probably would if something happened, but that's an hour and a half, man. That's three hours of my day just traveling plus mass. That's another hour and a half, right? That's like half my day at that point. Like, yes, I'll do it, but I shouldn't have to.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:38

Yeah, that's why I got it. That's why I've been so we're my our diocese is really good. Like, it's pretty libertarian when it comes to the liturgy. Libertarian in a good way, because the bishop sends this priest around to the like the liberal parishes, and his job is to like psychologically introduce them to more traditional aspects. Like, he just slowly it's it's very so we have a really good, but we do have that SSPX in Franklin, and I I've just always told all my friends, I'm like, I mean, you guys might want to start sending them money because this diocese is only as healthy as this bishop's tenure, and they're gonna be they're gonna be our line of retreat if things go sound.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:24

Like our bishop has basically just kept his head down.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:28

We have a we have a really good uh vicar of the diocese who's the who's the pastor at the cathedral, and he's he's baptized all my kids and they're all right. Basically advocated for the Latin mass here, but once he he's retiring it in the next year, and so and we're we're ewtn's here, so you know they're going to put someone here to influence EWTN, yeah, right? Because like Pope Leo's not like he's he's he's so pronist about the Latin mass right now, like he's saying one thing and doing another, and that's intentional, yeah. So like I can't trust it. So like I've been I've been advocating trying to get an SSPX mass here. I was like, we need one because I was like, I guarantee if you put an SSPX mass here within a year we'll have an FSSP.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:19

Yeah, you bend the fence one way so that you can settle in a nice medium. Yeah, yeah. I feel for you, man. Like that's that's tough. Our SSPX is looking to to expand. I I float around just because like I've got all sorts of considerations because my wife, so my wife is not Catholic, she's nothing, she was raised nothing. She didn't even know who Moses was when we first she knew nothing. I'm like, you don't even know who Moses is. So I showed her like the DreamWorks Prince of Egypt. I'm like, this is kind of a banger. Like, I think you can fantastic movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:53

Fantastic movie.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:54

I know. I'm like, this is a freaking masterpiece. Why don't you watch this? It's like Disney Bible version. She she's shown a lot of preliminary softenings. Like, I because I'm a convert, so like I've seen so many convert stories, and I can recognize the patterns. But there there hasn't been the I'm going into a cathedral puffy eyes moment yet. So I'm I'm like taking her to masses, but the as you know, the chapel in Franklin is a little, I mean, it looks like a it looks like a Pentecostal shriek shack. Yeah. Yeah, they're trying to expand, and the people are very nice, but I think she's more comfortable at that assumption right now, and we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:39

And it's important to build a community, and that's why Paris now we're very blue-collar, like very blue-collar. We got some like tweed wearing you know, theologians, you know, running around in their early 20s, right? But like we whip them in the shape pretty quick. For instance, like the show we did last week with that Warney Babylon, Jason Craig started fraternists. We have a very big fraternist chapter here in Birmingham. We have about it's an average of 150 to 180 men and young men every Wednesday from September to 8th. Right. And it's and Jason Craig is very TLM heavy. He tries to learn us that way as much as he can. In our parish, we have a we have a dearth of of good quality young men. We have a lot of really good young women who we can't find husbands for. Because there's not enough young men.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:41

At the TLM?

SPEAKER_01 2:20:44

Yeah. Because we have a lot and it's just and it's it's it's not it's not because we don't have any good young men in Birmingham, it's just the way it's settled with a lot of the families that have been going to this mass for 10 years, they just had girls during that during this like yeah, it's just a roll of the dice. Yeah, that's pretty much all it came down to.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:04

Rob and Rob and Ant probably have a backlog of young locals members.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:11

So, like I'm trying to I'm trying to set up like a TLM exchange program, right? Like, I'm trying to get like Huntsville to come down and some of you know some of ours to go up there, trying to get Atlanta to come over to here, now someone will go there, somebody because there's nothing in Mississippi.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:26

No, there's no dude. Mississippi is a Mississippi is a desert.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:31

It's a black hole.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:33

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:35

Uh like so. I'm trying to set up like an exchange program. Like I'm trying to get, I don't know if you know Christopher from our telegram or telegram, but he's got a bunch of little young men that are you know sons. I'm like, you need to send them over to Alabama, bring them over for a weekend, and we will get them wifed up real quick.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:53

Farm farm out the boys.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:57

Where are the white women at? Where the white women at? We got the pumpkin spice latte.

Wrap Up And Goodbyes

SPEAKER_00 2:22:07

It was good hanging out with you guys. I can tell Rob's getting exhausted. It's like 10 30.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:11

I'm having it tonight.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:13

What's that?

SPEAKER_01 2:22:16

He's gonna get him a phileo fish. Something is it?

SPEAKER_00 2:22:26

Man, it's 10 30. It's 10 30. Adrian, it was great hanging out with you. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:33

You're gonna have to uh come down here to Birmingham sometime and hang out.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:36

Dude, absolutely. I was in I was in I drove through Alabama once, and uh, we drove through the major cities. I'm like, man, like I need to check this out. Like, yeah, I'm just east of Birmingham, I got a little farm over here. I just keep getting more I keep getting more and more radical, Adrian. So, like, I was like, Oh, I went from the north to the south, and I'm like, ah, it's not enough. I need the deep south.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:59

We had a conversation one day on the show, and I was like, Look, man, urban black is not the same as country black. No, like these these country blacks out here, they will tear up some urban blacks. Like, they don't urban blacks don't know what's coming on, but yeah, man. Anytime you come down, let me know.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:14

Yeah, I'll hang out. Same when you come up here. I I I hope assumption is open. Uh anytime you're you and your wife are up because it's it's amazing. We'll probably come through Kevin James actually visited once, nobody recognized him because he had the beard.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:30

But I Kevin James is Catholic.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:33

No, yeah, no, I don't believe that. Next thing you're gonna tell me, he like served mass for Father Ribbrigger or something like that. I don't believe that whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:42

He just stared in awe at our ceiling. Our ceiling is painted Marian blue with gold stars. It's it's gorgeous. And I just I was like, wait, that's Kevin James, and I like kind of like watched him, he was just hypnotized.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:57

It's a gorgeous church, so all we get is Ross McKnight. That's all we get right here.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:04

Who's Ross McKnight?

SPEAKER_01 2:24:06

Ross McKnight is a guy, he owns a he owned a farm in Louisiana, and he was he was canceled because he's Catholic. Because he provided he he found you know what foie degras is it's basically like fattened like goose liver or something. Oh, yeah, it's real real big with like French restaurants, yeah. And he provided a ro a lot of it to restaurants in Louisiana, and they canceled him because he's Catholic. There, he was on the circuit for a little bit. Oh he was he came through one day and uh I was talking to him and he's like an RO local stuff like other than we had Mike Fantina come through, that's about it.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:42

Like, I mean we have Candace, so which is great for me because if Candace is out there, my bishop will never have an issue with me. That's true. Thank you, Candace. She's taking all the flag. Yeah, yeah. Well, good hanging out. It was great to see you, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:05

Yeah, you too. Thanks for coming on.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:08

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:09

Y'all take care.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:10

Yeah, take it easy, guys.