Stream of Consciousness #50 - Normand Pothier

In this episode, I talk with Normand Pothier of Peanut Butter Sunday — the Acadian punk band out of Baie Sainte‑Marie, Nova Scotia that’s been carving out their own lane with heart, grit, and zero pretense. We get into how the band came together, what drives their sound, and why their music feels like a love letter to the place they’re from.

With permission from the band, I also share a clip of “Mermaid” from their 2025 self‑titled album — a track that shows exactly why they’re impossible to forget.

If you’re into honest songwriting, coastal punk energy, and artists who mean every word they sing, you’ll feel right at home here.

Music | Peanut Butter Sunday

https://open.spotify.com/artist/4eDqyTTv3OAh7WDEO4yKWB?si=Bxc4Pq1mSxCYbyZVGvGXCA

http://www.youtube.com/@DanBackes-Omaha

https://podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/1768323039635344d43bab5cf

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Alright, everyone. We are live with Stream of Consciousness with Dan. And today I've got someone I've really been excited to talk about. Joining me from Nova Scotia is Norm Potier of Peanut Butter Sunday, one of the most original bands I've come across in a long time. If you heard my earlier conversation with Michael Solnier, you'll know how special this Acadian punk scene is. And Norm brings his own voice and energy to that world. Norm, dude, thanks for being here, man. How's it going today? Doing great, Dan. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Yeah, I can't do it. A little bit of Midwest.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Midwest representation where Emo was born. Absolutely. I love your Midwest emo flair in your songs. It's what really drew me to you guys. So I'm pumped. Norm's gotten Kansas City Chiefs hat on. Oh did they win the Super Bowl? No. They didn't even make it to the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

No, they it's not, it wasn't, it wasn't a good year to buy my Kansas City hat. Everyone gave me crap for it, but I think it looks cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Hey, that's all that matters, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

So I like to start at the beginning of your journey. Just talk about uh where you come from in Bay Saint-Marie in Nova Scotia, just what it was like kind of growing up in that area, because it's it's very different than where I come from. So if you just want to talk about that a bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

So I grew up in a place called Believus Co, which is like the uh north end of the county, Clare County, or municipality, and it's a very rural Acadian region. Um where uh there's a lot of musicians down here. There's like a like it's it was pretty ingrained in the uh like culture growing up that uh music is cool and it was fun, and a lot of uh in the music, um a lot of Acadian regions are very inspired by Quebec, whereas I think uh we are very inspired by probably more the states in our music writing. But we incorporate the Francophone language, but there was a lot of country. I can get into why that is too later on. But um uh growing up, we played a lot of tunes. We start, I think we started a band when I was 14, me and my friends, a death metal band, right when the Myspace era exploded, and then uh and we started doing Acadian stuff, starting writing them in our in our mother tongue.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

It was uh pretty uh uh pretty good switch, I think. Well, I've I've sincerely enjoyed it. It's beautiful, it's beautiful language. Um, was there a was there an album or maybe a song that really hit you as a child where you're like hell yeah, I want to pursue music as a career, or just hell yeah, I like music in general?

SPEAKER_03 3:33

That's a good uh that's a good question. I think I have like a few different eras of songs, uh core memory hitting me pretty good. Like I think my first album that I bought was the Chumba Wumba Tump Thumping album.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Oh, damn. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

Like I just bought it because it was a funny looking baby on the cover. I remember that, and then I listened to it, it was pretty good because it was the soundtrack of Home Alone 3, and then I'm like, this is this is good music looking back, and then the first my first favorite band was Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys at like six.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

There's nothing wrong with that, there's nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

That's okay. Well, yeah, like I mean, and then uh then you you you kind of like start listening to music and start to realize that there's some self-expression level that you want to show the world who you are. So then I went with the the step under, like uh step under underground wise. I like we really got into Sum 41 and Blink 182 uh at 12 years old, 10 years old, and and then it's only uh at 1415 where we started listening to a lot of Acadian music and a lot of Francophone music and getting into the you know the traditional uh the trad stuff, and uh but I along the way we st I still we most of us still stuck with some American music too, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 5:08

Yeah, I do. And yeah, so so my my first record, well, first C D was uh The Young and the Hopeless by Good Charlotte. That's such a good album. Yeah, it freaking is. It's a great album. Um, it's just like everyone is that uh that would have been, I believe, oh three.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Yeah, like lifestyles of the rich of the famous, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Um I I love Good Charlotte, I always have. And uh, and then I got I think my second album was All American Rejects Move Along.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

Holy geez. Do you know there was a guy from Claire, Bissant Muddy, in that band?

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Michael said that, yeah. Yeah, that's so wild.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

It's pretty wild. It's uh he moved to LA and he played he played session with uh him and them and Nelly Furtado.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

Oh Nelly Furtado too. Oh my gosh. Yeah, oh well.

SPEAKER_03 6:22

Uh but that's a that's a good album. Sorry for changing subject. That's a great album, too. I love I love them all.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Oh, I do too, and I uh have a huge man crush on Tyson Ritter.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

So yeah, he he looks good, he's a he's got a sharp jawline.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Oh, but so was there a um first instrument you had? Was it always guitar? Did you play piano or any other instruments, or was guitar kind of your your first one?

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Uh so I started playing the piano like at six years old, like as a like my parents were like throwing me into different you know interests, see what see what you're into as a kid. And then uh at nine years old, I started playing the drums. The drums is my main instrument. I play in another band, uh, which is my job, uh, where I play the drums. And it's a band called T Belvo, if you haven't checked that out, it's uh oh, I definitely well.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

I'm gonna I'm gonna pull that up right now. What was it called?

SPEAKER_03 7:26

It's called T Belivo, like small bellevo. P apostrophe T-I-T. Second word is bellevo b-e-l-l-i-v-e-a-u. Yep, you got it?

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Yep, I got it. The first song is income tax.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

Yeah, it's a it's an empty to the T4, the income tax return.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

So we're gonna be coming up on that soon.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

I know. I gotta renew my subscription to Turbo Tax. Uh uh No, yeah, the drums, and then I we I bought a guitar during the pandemic. Like, I always played guitar like an like a hobby, and I bought a guitar while I was living with Mike, and it was an expensive guitar, and I'm like, well, we need to start a band, or else it's gonna be like a wasted purchase.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

What what guitar was it? You gotta tell me.

SPEAKER_03 8:23

I got it right here. It's a bona fide Gibson Les Paul. Well, you didn't screw around. No, I in it, you know.

unknown 8:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

Dude, you gotta give me two seconds. I have to go get you my my first guitar. Yeah, sure. Give me two seconds.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

Yeah, I can see it. Oh, the Dan Electro, baby. Is that a Dan Electro?

SPEAKER_02 8:53

It is.

SPEAKER_03 8:55

Those are sick, those look really cool.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Oh, and that oh so that was mine. Yeah, I just uh so how did you feel when you first picked it up? Um, because you went big.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

I mean that thing was uh but I used to I like I I had a few like like uh cheap vendors before and uh I when I played the Gibson, it felt very expensive. So I liked it, but uh you know thank you long and the quaid for having such a good payment plan option.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Oh that's fair enough. Uh so was your family very musical growing up, or was it uh just you? Because I know you mentioned like piano lessons very early. Yeah, just kind of talk about if your parents were very musical or not.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

Yeah. My my mom, my mom and dad are very musical. My mom had a band um in the 90s. Also had like, you know, she had a few albums with uh writing with her band called Tirlititi. I don't there's nothing online, but it's I'm working on that. And uh my dad is uh just a really good uh guitar player, but never plays in front of people. He's they were both very musical. My mom was a live performer, and my my dad was a home player.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Well, I love to hear that because I my dad was kind of the same way. Like, I don't think he gives himself enough credit of how good of a musician he was. He just didn't really see himself that way, I guess. But like for me, like I grew up playing the piano from pretty much at your age, age six, when I started, and I see every instrument that I play now, I'm up to about 10 instruments that I can play. Oh, but I see it through the piano, and all of that theory uh all of that theory kind of helps me. Like I can pick up a trumpet, and although it's 100% completely different than a piano, I can still see the music through the piano, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 11:31

So you you like you translate everything through the piano, you look at it that's a good way to do it though, because the pianos are super nice, universal, like it goes well with the with the written music. I do it too now, like now that like like if I play around, like everything is written on the piano for me. Or like like this bad boy, like the little piano.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Oh, nice, it's like a little moog or something almost.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

Yeah, it's just a controller. It just you just plug it USB and it uses the sounds on your uh laptop.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Oh, that's uh sweet. So do you think when you would try to inspire young musicians? Because that's kind of a part of what I'm trying to do with my podcast. Is there an instrument you would recommend they start with or just follow their heart, or uh yeah, just what would you kind of recommend?

SPEAKER_03 12:36

I don't know, that's a good question, Dan. I think um what if you look at uh like I don't know uh what's like at a k at a young age, I think uh you gotta do music for fun. And kind of like I think the the whole not rebelling against the previous generation, but like you know, you don't have to cater to the to the old generation. You can be respectful, clearly, you know what I mean. But I think as a kid, go have some fun and and do do angry stuff and do take it out and like you know what I mean to have I can't really express myself very well, I'm sorry. But uh no, that's okay. Um go go do it for fun, in my opinion, as a kid. And if it's um if it's playing the drums, if it's playing piano, like I think my parents did well too. To uh they put me in in piano at first, and then I I saw that it wasn't really my my cup of tea, right? Uh, but you know, I think a kid should have fun as a kid and uh uh enjoy the wondrous exploration of the first few months of playing music. You know what I mean? Like remember that first few months, and you're like, oh wow, that sounds really cool. Oh you're just playing stuff by accident? Like, I think that's like a very fun uh core memory for kids to have.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

I don't know, like it's uh I think uh yeah, have some fun with it is the No, I I I get 100% what you're saying, but I liked I don't even remember, to be completely frank, if I even wanted to do piano lessons or if my mom was just like you're doing piano lessons. I don't really remember, but I just know I took piano, I just I just took piano lessons. That's just what I did. But I think as you said, you need to have fun with it. And yeah, it could be drums. I I think the guitar can come a little later. The guitar is a very to me, it's a very intimidating instrument.

SPEAKER_03 14:58

Yeah, you're right, man. It is, and it hurts. The fingers hurt, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

It's a very intimidating instrument. I didn't start until I was 18.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

Oh wow. But but do you do you enjoy playing guitar a a lot? Do you you like doing it?

SPEAKER_00 15:15

I mean, so I will sit there, and you'll appreciate this, I know you will. Um when I've had a shitty day, I will sit there and play holiday by Green Day and just blast it out as loud as I can. It probably doesn't sound great, but that doesn't matter. I just throw that capo on the first fret and just put the tremolo on and just do a just throw that first E minor on, and oh just it's going. It it really melts the troubles away, Dan. It does, and that's what music's all about. So no, I think that's really neat.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

It's uh it's like a it's like an interesting like uh retrospe or self examination in a aesthetic way, and it's also self-expression, it's like a really interesting uh media or not media or art form. Like as opposed to making a movie, you need all these resources to to do the same thing, it's cool, but like a kid can get started with uh an instrument for like a hundred and fifth if you really look on marketplace or something, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 16:41

No, absolutely. So I mean I got a it's really almost embarrassing, but funny. I bought a Glocken spiel off of the Goodwill website for I'm not kidding, I think it was five dollars. Gonna be playing some Springsteen. Uh if I could be anything like Bruce, I would. I mean, he's the boss.

SPEAKER_03 17:05

He's he's awesome. I took it. I I studied classical percussion in university, and I was a Glockenspiel fan.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Oh, that's great. Do you like Jimmy World?

SPEAKER_03 17:18

I listened to that whole album today. Literally.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Clarity?

SPEAKER_03 17:26

No, the 2001 one, the bleed american. Or no.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Oh no, yeah, I think you're right.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

Uh it's the uh let me pull that up. I put the 2001 Jimmy, and it's just giving me all these SUVs.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Oh, it's Bleed American. That's the 2001.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

Yeah, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Oh, it's sick music. Okay, well, we can get more into music later. We need to back up a little bit. Um, so what or yesterday?

SPEAKER_03 18:01

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Sorry. Oh no, that's fine. Uh, what do you think the benefit was of growing up in kind of a smaller community, a more tight-knit community, opposed to maybe growing up in uh Montreal or Quebec City or Toronto or places like that?

SPEAKER_03 18:18

Um, that's a good question. The benefits of growing up in a small area. Um, you get to like with like outside of music, you get to learn a lot of uh outdoorsy stuff, going on on rips on the dirt roads and stuff like that. And uh I don't know, it's like a simpler life that uh that I kind of enjoy. Like I also enjoy the city, like, but I'm like always like it's fun to come back, but like uh it was a simpler life the weekend. You you know, we we drive over to I my buddy's house, Nick Boudreau, who um and we used to jam all weekend, and then you catch a party on Saturday night if there's one close, and then you go back to jamming on Sunday with some Gatorade G2s.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Oh, that's bringing back some memories.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

Yeah, the grape G2 saved me many a time.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Oh, that it's really funny you mentioned that. I remember going to one of my friend's house, we'd always have uh sleepovers over there, and we would just we just sit there, play the piano, play ping pong, play, you know, video games, just watch movies, just hang out, like just be in like and we weren't doing anything like we weren't drinking or smoking or doing anything like that. We were just having fun, being kids, and yeah, so I I I love hearing that.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

Remember, remember the the the era when like you'd sit at on a computer, like three people would sit at the computer, at a desktop computer, yeah, and listen to music and find music. That was a fun time too.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

It was a fun time, and I remember my dad would uh had downloaded sorry dad, I have to throw you under the bus here. Um down downloaded Napster. You wouldn't steal a car. But uh yeah, I would just remember he would get these songs, and eventually our computer crashed because obviously there was like a billion viruses on it. But uh I was introduced to Meatloaf, like uh dashboard or uh what is it, dashboard light or something like that. What was that song? You know what I'm talking about? Meatloaf? I never really got into them. I I need to listen to Meatloaf. Oh, anyways, but like it's just that, but I I get exactly what you're saying. Oh, Paradise by the dashboard light. That's what it is. But just I don't think people can resonate resonate with how far the music industry has grown. Where when we grew up, like you had to buy a CD or you had to get it from iTunes or you had to buy a cassette, and now it's like you can just buy a Spotify subscription for ten dollars and listen to whatever you want. So yeah, I think we really get an appreciation for a full album because you didn't really have an option otherwise.

SPEAKER_03 21:43

No, you threw the you threw an album in the stereo and you listened to the entirety of it from top to bottom. It was it was awesome. I I missed those times.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

Like no, I agree because I I've gotten into vinyl a lot. And it's you really appreciate it when you just have to throw the vinyl on and listen to it. You can't you don't skip, you can't, you know, press your mouse and click on a different art. What'd you get for a player? Oh, what is it? I'm in the market. Oh gosh. I might have to get back to you after our break and see exactly which one I have. Sure. But um, so yeah, so kind of talk about your high school years. You talked about playing music a bit, but uh, did you ever think again you were gonna do music for your career, or after high school, were you gonna go to college? Were you just gonna start a band? Were you gonna what were you gonna do?

SPEAKER_03 22:47

Well, uh like when we finished high school, we went to class. We me and my friend studied classical music in university, which was like you know, in retrospect, I would have done done it differently, but it was a way to convince your parents that you're gonna try try music, and uh like I didn't know like if I was gonna do music full time, but I know I really really really wanted to, and you know, like uh as well as my friends, um and like uh at least for a bit, you know what I mean? I'd I'd grow like you know uh it was either that or um a PGA tour pro golfer, and I haven't shot under 113 ever, so that dreams out the window.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Well, that's just golf for everyone. Yeah, it's the it's the working class golf game. I was I actually did play a lot of golf growing up. I worked at our town's country club, so I could golf. I could work every or I could golf every day for free because I worked there. See, that's a good perk, and that's tax-free. So I I actually did get pretty good, and then I got into college, and I'm like, oh shoot, I have to actually pay like$40 to play this round. I'm like, I don't have that. So I kind of drop it off, so I feel what you're saying. It's like, oh, golf sucks, but it's amazing. I love it. I love you need that you need that one shot every round.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

Exactly. Just that one shot exactly. We even say it like, I don't care my score, I just want to hit that perfect drive.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

And and then you'll come back next tomorrow or the next week or whenever you're golfing again. Exactly. That is the epitome of a uh middle class golfer, I guess is what I would say.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

Yeah, I fully agree, and it's it's the perfect amount of dopamine. I don't need to win, I just want a good shot.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Well, what I like about golf, and we're going off script, and I love this, um, is especially at our level that we're not PGA tour professionals, you're just competing against yourself. I mean, yeah, your partner might be better than you, your partner, your partner might be worse than you. It doesn't matter. Have a couple beers, uh, have fun, listen to music, and just do your best, and you know, try to beat yourself.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Yeah, and that's the fun part, you know. Uh, it's fun, and it's fun uh trying to beat yourself, and it's you know, I still cheat, even though it's playing against myself. I was playing with one of my bandmates, and I'm like, yeah, we can do preferred lie, right today. And he looks at me and he says, You're only lying to yourself, Norm. And that really stuck with me in my golf game.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

Well, there's a learning a little bit of a foot wedge here and there, right? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

I don't mind lying to myself if it's for golf.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

I mean, I don't want to see you under the tree for 20 shots.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

And let's be honest, golf clubs are expensive.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Oh gosh, that's great. Oh, I have to tell another story. Uh, we're just hitting it off. Uh, so my dad retired recently and is working at a a small golf club in southern Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

And so congrats. Yeah, I know. Dan's dad. But just I don't know, just what goes into golf is so cool. How you know you've got to mow that grass every day, you've got to rake those sand traps every day, cut the holes every day. But I keep saying the word day at the end of the day, just bringing people joy, and like we said, having that one shot, it makes it could make you're weak. I'm not even kidding. Like, if you make that one awesome shot, it can make your weak.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

You're I like I remember talking like my one of my other friends, is he swings like the hardest he can swing every shot, and we're like, You could why don't you do an 80% shot? And then he hits that shot and it goes 350 yards, and we talk about it for a month. Man, did you see that guy's shot? He swung, he's probably sore in the latch for the next three weeks. But it's true, you're right. You talk about that, you know, it's the one-shot rule in golf. During the pandemic, too, like uh all the music, like there's a course down here, uh, it's Claire Golf and Country, but it's like a not-for-profit run by like a committee. So, like a membership is like a thousand bucks. So you join for the year and you play for for free, or you play for so all the musicians had no work, and so we all joined this one year during the pandemic, and at the end we did a tournament, and it was it was a really fun year.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Well, that does sound amazingly fun, and yeah, yeah. I just I don't know. I don't even know how he got on the golf topic, but I just love golf. It's uh it's a perfect metaphor for life that 99% of the time life can go wrong, but just that one percent can go right.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Dan, I agree. I agree. That's hey, that's good. Do yeah, you you got a you got a book there, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Well, if you've got a publisher, maybe I can I can write that, but uh so yeah, so talk a little bit about um peanut butter sundae and how it came about.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

So me and Mike were living together, and uh we just got on a tangent of watching old um like skate punk pop punk videos. Then we started watching some emo vids, like you know, sometimes you get caught up in your watching vids, listening to music all day. And Mike is a really, really good songwriter, and uh it was it was really deep into like the second wave of the pandemic where we're stuck at home and you can't you can't see people, you can't so we're like, why don't we just start a band, practice, and when the pandemic ends, we'll be ready to go. You know what I mean? So we rented some gear, we rented some mics to record an album just in the house. So we recorded that, we sent it off to be mixed, mastered, and I think we finished a few parts in the studio in Halifax. Uh, but then we had a a mini album ready to go, and we uh yeah, we tried to play as much as possible. We tried to get as ready as possible, and uh it was fun, it was a good, it's it's a fond memory.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Well, it shows in your music for sure, and leads me to my next question is why did you decide to write in um is the correct word francophone or f or or Acadian French, or what is the correct uh for most of the time?

SPEAKER_03 31:09

Because it's like it's Acadian French, it's not like a standardized French. People in France wouldn't understand it. People in Quebec have a they appreciate it, but like they sometimes they like, you know what I mean? It's I think they have a tough time understanding it because it's a very small, concentrated amount of people. It's in uh this one village that has a weird ancient accent. So we started, and it's another parentheses. This is and it's probably 40% English words, you know what I mean? 30% English words, because that's how we speak, and uh so I'd say, yeah, we write in Acadian French or Baissant Muddy Acadian French to be more specific. Because you can it's technically francophone, you're right though, but like it's I'm just being picking for a podcast.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

No, no, that's fine because I again I am so virgin at kind of your um culture, and I'm not trying to say that to be ignorant, I just oh no, I didn't even um so I I appreciate it, and I know when I was talking to Mike, he was talking about how important lyrics are to him, which lyrics are important to me as well, but I don't need to understand those lyrics to appreciate the music.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

And like this brings me to this is why I like like this is how I can appreciate death metal too, like stuff that you don't understand, a lyricist. I like reading along to him too. Like, if you don't understand it, that's a lot of fun, too.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

It really is, and I wanted to get into my favorite peanut butter Sunday song. Hopefully, I'm pronouncing it correctly, Compliqué.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Oh, how bad was it? Was it that bad? No, it's just as it's a it's the Midwest influence one.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

You said it very correctly. No, you said it, you said it perfectly. Oh, I love that song. That song is uh well, first of all, the I watched the music video, it is gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

Thank you. Mike did that entire video himself, or I think edit it. I think you yeah, I don't know, but it was his direction.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Oh, and I'm not a huge um anime person myself, and I know that song has a lot of anime references in it. Um, not that I don't appreciate it, it's just not my thing, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:09

I'll respect me neither, actually.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

But uh, but no, that I just watched that music video. I'm like, oh my god, this is gorgeous, and it's hilarious. It's hilarious because when I asked him to kind of translate it from you know Acadian French to English, he's like, Wow, this sounds really stupid.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

I mean it like yeah, it makes sense that it like it does because like it's supposed to be like it was written in the in that language. Like, I mean, I work at the uh like just a side note for that, like I work at the St. Ann's immersion program, where you it's like a it's a five-week uh uh immersion in the summer where like people's personalities change depending on the language they speak. So you know what I mean? So I think like there's a certain aesthetic uh attributed to like writing in a circ certain language where if you sing directly translated lyrics in English that were written in French, it does sound stupid, but that makes it cooler in the end. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 35:29

No, could you talk a little bit more about your uh your job outside of music because it sounds like that's a really neat a neat thing you're doing?

SPEAKER_03 35:39

I used to do that. I used like it's it's been a while, but like I like between the semesters, we'd work this summer program in in the excuse me, the university next door here, which is uh like a small Francophone university. So there's a very intense emerging program that they host there in the summer and in the spring, where you come for five weeks, and if you're caught speaking English or any other language three times, they send you home. It sounds intense, but it's actually a lot of fun, and those rules are very important for the for you to methodically practice French, you know what I mean? Yeah, so there's a bar on campus, and there's the liquid courage served by the pint.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

That's oh, I have a actually have a very good story to tie into that. So uh when I was in college myself, I joined a fraternity. So how is that? It was I joined a very more academically focused fraternity. I mean, we had to keep a certain GPA, we it was a completely dry, it was a completely dry house, there was no alcohol allowed in the house at all. Um, but it just reminded me of they did do a little bit of hazing here or there, um, where we had to learn the Greek alphabet with a match lighted turned upside down. So we had to learn the Greek alphabet as fast as we could, and so that's a pretty easy way to be like, yeah, I need to learn this freaking Greek alphabet like right now.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

That's trial by fire, you gotta learn it quick. Um uh I've never like, yeah, there's the the like the concept of fraternities. We always saw them. I always saw them on the in the movies, but there's not a lot of fraternities in uh maritime Canada. I thought there was gonna be way more when I hit university. I'm like, I'm gonna join. I gotta learn my Greek. I gotta I gotta wear my uh animal house sweater.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

Yeah, it I was very I'm very thankful for the fraternity that I joined. It wasn't and again, I I I did that reference with the flame, but like it was nothing like the movies whatsoever. It was I mean, it actually held me more accountable, to be completely honest. That's good. We had yeah, we had, I mean, you had to get your study hours in, you had to log your study hours, like I said, you had to have a GPA requirement. Um, so I went to school for accounting and finance.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

Oh, nice. That's why you're uh you're reading the income tax song.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

Yeah. It's just funny because I don't think people would realize that someone who's in accounting would host a podcast because people think accountants are like lame losers who can't talk to anyone.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

So that's not true, Dan. Well, I'm glad you think so. But it's a good j it's a it's a cool job, I bet.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

I enjoy it because oh, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 39:33

No, no, you go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Oh, I was just gonna say, I really enjoy it because it allows me to actually be creative, and I don't think a lot of people see that. Uh like accounting uh you people think it's just black and white, and you just you know are writing numbers down all day, but you have to be creative and innovative and you know, do process improvement, a lot like we probably do with your music, where you know you're playing a song and you hear it and you're like, oh, maybe I shouldn't use this setting, I should use this setting, or I shouldn't use this.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

You said process improvements, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Process improvement.

SPEAKER_03 40:22

So it's like you just you just uh up the efficiency of process.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

I see yeah, so I see something that is being done in four hours, and I'm like, well, I can do this in two hours.

SPEAKER_03 40:36

See, that's awesome. That sounds like fun.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

It is fun, and people don't get it. So I I love to always spread that message that accountants aren't losers.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

Hey, you know, like it's like and you like min-maxing and stuff like that, and you know, like I play a lot of Magic the Gathering, so it's like and so like it's a lot of that.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

Oh gosh, see, I've never gotten into magic, but oh don't really I I was a huge Pokemon guy, huge Pokemon guy growing up.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Same here. It's just the reason I say that is because it's it's a it's a game that you have to yeah, uh process what is it what'd you say? Process process improvement, process improvement, it's probably the same as Pokemon. I've I haven't played Pokemon, but I used to collect the card. Uh but yeah. Accounting sounds fun, too complicated.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

It is, but well, if your music career doesn't work out, and I'm sure it will work out, but you could I'll hire you.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

Thank you, Dan. I appreciate it. I'll be applying for my green card.

SPEAKER_00 41:59

But uh, yeah, so I collected Pokemon cards as well, and I was talking to Mike about it, and my parents moved, like I said, up to Wisconsin, and they could not find my Pokemon cards. So I have zero Pokemon cards anymore. They're all gone.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

Ah shit, shoot, all gone. Uh that sucks. I that happened to me too. I I left them in a jacket and I went, I dropped the jacket off to Goodwill one year and had 100 Pokemon cards. See you later. Somebody got really lucky.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

I don't know where they went. So um, so I really oh so go go ahead. Where did you where where do you live in Wisconsin?

SPEAKER_03 42:46

Well, you live in Wisconsin? No, you're not sure.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

No, so I'm in Nebraska.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

Oh. Very nice. That's one of my I want to go visit there. Pretty bad. Why? I don't know. I like I want to go see I want to go see North Dakota too, or is that close?

SPEAKER_00 43:06

Yeah, it's uh two states up.

SPEAKER_03 43:10

Like uh my favorite movie is Fargo. So oh, it's a great movie. So I want to go see those areas and I want to hear the accent, and I want to.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

Well, so I don't think I have an accent. Do you think I have an accent?

SPEAKER_03 43:27

Not a Midwest accent. No, you don't have an accent. Or I don't know, maybe a little bit. It's diff it's different than than like maritime Canada.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

So I'm just thinking because obviously I'm I'm from Wisconsin, but I spent most of my time in Kansas and Nebraska. But a lot of my family is still up in the Minnesota, Wisconsin area. So, you know, they got their mi Minnesota accent and you know uh that's kind of Stuff and oh up there in Fargo, huh? And then it's it's and they always go. I'll say the thing that always gets me, and I do it all the time. You say yeah, no, or no, yeah. Yeah, no, that's awesome, and it's so dumb, but but like most oh gosh.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

Most language is dumb, like like we yeah, like most stuff, most cool stuff is dumb.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Oh, pardon the interruption, folks, but I have a song I have got to share with you. It is called Mermaid by Peanut Butter Sunday from their 2025 self-titled album. I've got a great clip here, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. It is the Mount Rushmore. It can be an album, it can be an artist. And Norm looks like he's ready to go, so I'm not gonna hold him back anymore, and he's gonna kick us off with his first face on his Mount Rushmore of music.

SPEAKER_03 46:27

The first my first favorite album of all time is the self-titled first album of my first favorite band of all time, Alexis on Fire. Do you know Alexis on Fire?

SPEAKER_00 46:46

What do I look like I was born in the 70s? Of course I know Alexis on Fire. They're incredible.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

They're the one who who who turned me on to like the more uh aggressive style uh of music. And uh the self-titled album completely changed my life when I heard it for the first time. So that's my first Mount Rush Moore.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

Well, I'm gonna do the same one I did with Michael. It's Deja N Tendu by Brand New. It's the ironically, a French name. Deja Ntendo, and oh my god, uh oh. So alright, we'll go to number two. Who do we got?

SPEAKER_03 47:40

Number two is my second favorite band, which was like when I hit university, and it's uh destroy a race improve album by a band called Mashuga. So that's a heavy metal album.

SPEAKER_00 48:04

I'll definitely need to look that one up.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

Really aggressive sounding, but really uh like a lot of jazz, a lot of a lot of 90s jazz influence. And it was uh, you know, it was a lot of fun to listen to back in the day. So that's my number two.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Oh, I will I'll check that out for sure. I'm gonna go. It's just a very personal band for me. They're called Jack's Mannequin.

SPEAKER_03 48:39

Jack's Mannequin.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Um, I'm not sure if you are familiar with them or not.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

I have never listened to them, but I am familiar with them.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

It's just a very personal uh relationship. One of his songs literally saved my life.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

What's the um what's the song?

SPEAKER_00 49:02

It's called Swim.

SPEAKER_03 49:06

Oh that's good to hear.

SPEAKER_00 49:08

That it's you know I have it tattooed on my chest right here. Very nice. It was he's just a beautiful pianist. And yeah, that just it's one of those albums that I hear and it makes me sad and happy and grateful, and you know, all the ways music is meant to be.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

That's yeah, that's awesome. That's um it's awesome that you like you uh listening to a song and it brings you back in a moment in your life, too, is a lot of fun, too. You know what I mean? Or no, absolutely, yeah. You know what I mean? Are we doing the third head?

SPEAKER_00 49:52

We're doing the third head. Hopefully, it's a little happier than mine.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

Uh I uh this is uh the one I I listened to recently, and it's a song from my from Rushmore. Uh it's from a band called Death Cab for Cuity.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

Good lord. And it's like I've I've listened to Death Cab forever.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

They're awesome. It's and it's I like them a lot because they um um they turned me on to less heavy music. So it brought me but back down to to real life when it's the song called Soul Meets Body. It's just their most popular song. It's so friggin' good.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

Okay, you no more stop trying to oh man.

SPEAKER_03 50:59

That's when that acoustic guitar, that acoustic guitar, no lyrics first chorus. It's so good.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

So my favorite death cab song is trance. It's trance, I can't even say it, it's a hard word to say.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

Yeah, that's a good one, too.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

That's my favorite death cab song. Oh my god, death cab. Have I heard of death cab? Um, I'm actually everything that he's ever done. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

I need to get into them a lot. I just listened to that one album, but I listened to transatlanticism too. Because it's it's uh the the guy who sings for like well, the the guy Project who I play for showed me that band, and I had l heard them sympathetically over the years, like you know, just listening to the radio and stuff, and you know, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

Couldn't agree more. I'm still laughing at you when you're like, have you heard of Deathcab? I'm like, are you kidding me? Um I'm gonna go uh sorry, not even not even an album or a song, but I've always just been a huge yellow card fan.

SPEAKER_03 52:26

Brilliant right. They're good.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

I don't know what it is. I mean, obviously the violin is incredible, it just brings a different vibe to the to the songs. Um I would say for you and your denial would be my personal favorite song, but just any yellow card is just Yep, that that's on there.

SPEAKER_03 52:58

What's you and your denial?

SPEAKER_00 53:01

For you and your denial last one it is. Um it is on for you and you are denial No, don't plant. When you're think when you're through thinking, say yes. From 2001.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

Yeah, it's one of the I gotta listen to that. Never never listen to that album.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

Oh listen honest to God, just listen to the first 15 seconds right now.

SPEAKER_03 53:42

Okay, let me get that up. Damn, got the classical violin, he's got a good tone, too. Yeah, the guy freaking rocks. That's good. It sounds uh the drummer's really good too, man. I guess it's a good trump.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

So that's that was my number three. I just love their music. It just brings also me brings me back to just kind of middle school, high school days of you probably have heard of Ocean Avenue by Yellow Card, right? Oh yeah, it just brings me back, but no, that you for you and your denial, oh my god, the guy just shreds.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

But uh, it's it's pretty tough. I wish we had like six heads on Mount Rushmore. I wish you had six fantastic presidents in the state. I don't even know if we have one, but but uh my fourth one is just like the first, like I said, Alex on Fire is my first like favorite band, but this is the first actually like the first band that I really like, and it's like kind of a cliche choice, but it's what that got it's it's what it's the band that really got me into music, and it's the blink 182. It's the enema of the state, changed my life, so for the best.

SPEAKER_00 55:27

I'm not trying to blank here, I'm just I there's so many blink 182 albums that I like, I'm trying to figure out which one this was.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

It's the it's the one with the nurse on it, 1999.

SPEAKER_00 55:40

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh like I like them all. Oh my god. I mean just the simple dump weed first. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 55:55

And it's uh Adam Son. Are you kidding me? And uh the producer Jerry Finn is uh I I watch the show on YouTube called What Makes The Song Great? And it's by I don't know what's this guy's name, he has white hair. Um and he just listens to this every song, like the the mainly the pop hits, and he breaks it down track for track, and just the production value on something that sounds so simple and dumb is friggin' impressive. You know what I mean? It's um it's just a good it was a good band for like a uh uh to you know to hook the kids on to rock and roll.

SPEAKER_00 56:51

I mean I can't tell you how many times I've listened to uh the songs on the album. I I I literally can't. So I'm gonna go um a little old school. I've been kind of dabbling in some British things lately, so I'm going to go combat rock by the clash.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

That's a good one. I love that one.

SPEAKER_00 57:29

And then uh since it's a good album, like since we've agreed that we can add more heads to Mount Rushmore, because we've agreed to that. Let's do it. Um I'm even going further down on memory lane again. We weren't even born yet when this album came out, but it's uh Transformer by Lou Reed.

SPEAKER_03 57:59

Oh yeah, I need to listen to that. I've never listened to Lou Reed.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

I'm pretty embarrassed about him. Uh, you'll be you're okay. I would he's just so he's a little Bob Dylan-ish, where people think like, oh no, he can't really sing, or blah blah blah, but he's such a good storyteller, the band is so good, the message is amazing. I yeah, so I would definitely check that out.

SPEAKER_03 58:33

Yeah, I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna put it in my YouTube music. Um my number fifth head would probably be turnstile. Recent. You know turnstyle?

SPEAKER_00 58:53

Is that the band a band?

SPEAKER_03 58:56

Yeah I'm not sure that's like a pretty good uh you know they they went on tour with Blink182, I think, but it's uh Oh, they have a bunch of listens. Oh yeah, so I'll add that. If you like that type of stuff, I believe you'd like this, and I think where uh where are they from?

SPEAKER_00 59:29

I'm looking that up as well.

SPEAKER_03 59:32

Oh Baltimore.

SPEAKER_00 59:37

Oh, that area's got a ton of great uh bands though. Yeah, Maryland. Um I'm actually interviewing a band out of um Pennsylvania called I apologize, I trying to keep track of everything here. Pine Creek Academy out of Allentown, Pennsylvania. But no, that area just has such great music, Pennsylvania, but Maryland uh Massachusetts. That area just has great music.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:19

Bringing right, man. Uh like uh I love Massachusetts. Actually, my my dad's from Boston.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

Oh, he is cool. Well, is it Michael's mom from Massachusetts?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:36

Yeah, there's a big uh big Acadian migration for work in the uh early 1900s.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:46

Well, I'm just glad you enjoyed that segment because I did.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

There's nothing funner, like I bet you if you ask me in two weeks that Mount Rushmore is gonna be completely different. But that's what I I could like it's a fun game to play. We like when we're touring, we always play that rot mount. Oh, you do well, what's your favorite, what's your favorite pop? What favorite cheeseburger, favorite, you know, Mount Ruff More.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

We'll do it. Oh, we'll do it, we'll do it again because it's fun. Yeah, so you're touring in so where do you tour mostly in Quebec?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:31

Say like 90%, yeah. Okay, and when we play the states, it's in Louisiana.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:39

So you're in Louisiana. What is your favorite uh gas station to stop at?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:51

Oh man. I don't know if I know the gas stations in Louisiana. Oh, you had to have stopped at one. Yeah, I know, but I think like, well, we fly into Lafayette. Okay, Lafayette, yeah. And I think we're like pretty much we never bring a car, so uh let me Google quickly. Oh, it's gonna be racetrack. Cause it sounded the coolest. What's Buckeys? Do you guys have Buckeys in in the Midwest?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

That's so funny that you mentioned that. That is so hilarious. We are opening up our first Bucky's about 20 minutes from my house.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:45

It's a sensation, huh?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

Like it's a it's like a church. Like that's how people treat it. Like it's a it's a religious institution, Bucky says.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:59

Tax exempt, I presume.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:02

Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:06

Um but is it a gas station or is it like a truck stop? Uh or it's both.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

Oh god, both, everything. Because it's huge, eh? Like it's got oh, it's massive. It's absolutely huge. And they they like sell like legitimate like food out of it. Not just like shitty gas station food, but actual food.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:34

So they got they got this um like restaurants and stuff. It'll it seems like a like a shopping complex with 120 gas pumps. I'm telling you, buckies is wild. I gotta see me a bucky's quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

Well, you gotta get down here. I told Michael this. You guys need to come down. We've got some great venues that you guys could do, and I want to spread your message of your music to everyone down here because I think they would appreciate it. It doesn't matter if you're, you know, speaking, you know, on a Cadian or Francophone or whatever, it doesn't matter. I think you'd really rock if you could find a sweet, you know, Midwest band to join up with. I really think you guys could hit it off. I really do. And I don't say that lightly.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:33

Oh man, I'd love to. If it's just uh yeah, I'd love to play the states. It's just it's tough to get a visa. It's tough to get like if you're getting paid, it's tough to uh get a what is it? Yeah, a visa to to be able to um gotcha. But I'd love to. It's like everybody's dream to play. But you need, I think you need like a you need a you need like a 20-show tour for it to make sense on paper.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:11

Oh well, to make money or to not lose money, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:15

Yeah, because a visa is what what is a visa, like 1500 bucks? Jesus. I don't know, I don't know if that's for for sure, but I bet you it's the same, like if an American band plays Canada, but it's just I don't know this, but it's just that's the that's the the crappy part is uh the visa. Yeah, you can also play cash gigs.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:41

Well, yeah, it just to me it just stinks because I mean I would go and watch Peanut Butter Sunday.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:55

And I appreciate that, Dan. You're the man, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

But oh man. Alright, so imagine you're in the States since you've been here again. Are you on McDonald's, Birthday, or Wendy's?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:20

So to me, the Big Mac is the best, like one of the best sandwiches of all time. But I feel like an American Wendy's would be something to see. With the baconator. If I fast the whole day. They're good. Dave. Dave Thomas. My man. Oh he's uh Yeah, they're good. Like uh Burger King too. They got I ate a beyond Burger at Burger King. Yeah, the Whopper's good. Whopper's good. What's what's what's five guys? Is five guys good?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

Oh well five guys is incredible. So five guys uh you can put like I mean literally name a topping, they will put it on your burger.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:22

Oh, okay. So it's not like you don't have pre-made sauces or burgers.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:27

No, yeah, you just say I will I I want jalapenos or I want mayo or I want pickles or I want so it's like this uh a subway situation. I was just gonna say that. Yeah, it's just like this subway of of burgers, and uh and their fries. Oh my god, their fries are so good. But I think we're literally five minutes down the road, like I can literally see uh five guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:57

Uh that brings like I just like you asked me what what are the pros and cons of living rural? There's no fast food around me at all, so I don't indulge as much as I did when I used to live in the city. Uh but I think my favorite American fast food that I've ever had was Popeye's.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:22

I can the spicy chicken just it was in Louisiana with the the Cajun spice and uh Louisiana cuisine, too, is incredible, yeah. Gumbo, jambalaya.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:41

So it's oh my gosh, I'm so glad you brought that up because tonight I'll I've had a huge day. You're my third podcast. I've also had a job interview.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:53

How'd it go?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:55

It went very well.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:57

Congrats, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:59

But um it's so glad you brought that up because I'm like, I'm gonna need something to like keep me going after this day because it's been wild. But I'm making black-eyed peas with collard greens and a ham shank.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:18

Ooh, that's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:23

Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. My wife thinks it's disgusting, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:30

How are you cooking the the ham?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:32

Well, the ham should already be smoked, so I should just have to heat it up with the beans and just make sure the collard greens get um tender. It's gonna be good, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

It's gonna, it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna fix you right up. Like a smoked ham is to die for. Have you ever had burnt ends? Well, you're close to Kansas. Right. Barbecue, but yeah, I know. It's a stupid question from the sorry, but like barbecue takes 10 years to come here, and when we have it burnt ends are great.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:19

Uh it's uh so good. It's the it's the perfect blend of meat and fat.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

And sweet. And oh is it sweet? It's so good. Brisket. I could I could just name off barbecue stuff all night. Norm, you're speaking the language. And when we went to Kansas City there, we had some, like, I don't even know the place, they had no sign. And it was the like the best barbecue I've ever had. And it was like four bucks US, which is like 20 bucks Canadian, but oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:11

You asked me if I've eaten burnt and you it's a stupid guy. I the second I said it, I'm like, oh God, you're about the dumbest dump kitchen. I'm kidding. You're not the first person to say it. I'm kidding, you know that. Uh it's wild though, because again, I just want to get back to kind of why I'm doing what I'm doing, is we can connect through food, we can connect through music. It doesn't matter that you're in Nova Scotia, it doesn't matter that I'm in Omaha, Nebraska. We can connect and bring community a little closer together and shrink the world a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:03

Yeah, and it's fun too, like, cause like I bet you culturally we're pretty close, but that 20% different is it makes for great like conversation, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:17

No, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:20

Cause um the Midwest, and your parents are in Wisconsin, you said? What's what town? In Wisconsin, what town you said. Your parents moved to Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:32

Oh, yeah. Are they in Madison or are they oh, so they're about uh about an hour south of Madison. So they're in very south.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:42

Because yeah, we I had a a a few good friends from Wisconsin that came here every summer. Yeah. That's all I gotta say. It's uh I've I've never been oh I was born there, so what's uh it's right under it's right under Ontario, huh?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

Or well, right under the upper peninsula of Michigan. What's yeah, so it's connect that'd be Ontario, yeah. That'd be Ontario.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:15

So yeah, so Detroit would be in yeah. What what would be on the river or the lake? What's the climate like? Uh is it snowing now for you guys?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:27

In Omaha, right now it's actually beautiful, it's about 50 degrees. Ooh. What do you mean, ooh? That's good.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:39

It was a good ooh.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:41

Oh, I was gonna say that's a 50 degrees. I'll take that any day.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:46

Yeah, February 50. What's what's freezing in Fahrenheit? 32. 32, because you're zero. So that'd be wow, yes. So you're almost sweater weather there, 50, huh? No, that's t-shirt weather. Holy jumping. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:06

So you can play golf here around. Well, it's not usually this warm. Uh okay, so my parents are, like I said, about an hour south of Madison. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, that's completely Ontario. I didn't realize Ontario covered all of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:27

Yeah, it's a big landmass, and the the population is right on the border of the states, pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:34

Oh, because we got Detroit because we got Detroit and then Windsor.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:43

Yeah, Windsor would be right across the uh the the lake, I think, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:48

Or is it a or the uh I got uh Lake St. Clair or Lake Erie, depending on what you where you go. Yeah. Okay, cool. But yeah, that's not we are we're in the smack dab center of the United States. Yeah, you're inland, eh? Omaha. Yep, we uh have about nothing. If you wanted to come out and join us, you would see pretty much cornfields, and that's about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:30

Uh it's crazy though, because you can like there's still 500,000 people, right in Omaha, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:39

It's a pretty decent sized city. It's a very I like to call it a a big small town.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:49

It's yeah, it's the perfect size. There's culture, but it's not New York, like it's not you probably can get a good sandwich anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:59

Yeah, I can't really complain. I don't know, that's why I kind of like doing what I'm doing with this podcast, because I've experiences that my guests don't, my guests have experience that I don't, because I mean, you're sitting there up in I mean, I'm just looking at the map right now, and I'm like, holy cow, where the hell are you? I was gonna say, where are you? So uh thanks everyone for listening to this episode and norm. It has been awesome. I've had more fun than I've had in a long time, and I don't say that bluntly. So, and is there anything you want to add before we sign off, whether it's just uh being a Cadian or talking peanut butter Sunday, or just anything you want to get off your chest before we sign off?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:55

Well, first of all, Dan, I'd like uh to extend my many thanks to uh for for the um listens and the uh uh the support that you've given me and my band and Mike Sony. Uh I appreciate the the ask, the invite to be on your podcast. It's been really fun talking talking shop and music. And uh I want everyone to listen to this man then because he's a good guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:25

All right. Well, you are the man norm. It doesn't rhyme, but that's okay. So everyone again, thank you so much for listening, and we'll see you next week.