The Calving Season No One Prepared Us For

Lori's back after a scary health battle - a heart ablation that changed everything - and she's not holding back. In this raw, just-us episode, Lori and Taylor catch up on the chaos of calving season: surprise twins, backwards calves, stillbirths, mastitis warnings, and one very mischievous pig named Arnold. Real talk, real farm life.

Key Takeaways

Health comes first - Lori's heart ablation was terrifying, but waiting would have been worse. 

Always check for a second calf after a difficult pull, especially a backwards presentation. 

Keep new mums and calves in the barn - it's how you catch mastitis before it becomes a crisis. 

Shaving around a Highland's udder can help you monitor bag health and reduce bacteria. 

C-section cows can breed back successfully - don't automatically cull them.

Episode Highlights

Lori's heart ablation story and recovery. Twin bull calves - one born 17 hours after the other! A backwards calf pulled at 1am. Jojo's back-to-back stillbirths and the tough decisions that follow. Mastitis caught just in time. Arnold the pig causing chaos (as always).

Timestamps

0:00 — Welcome back & Lori's health update 

2:30 — Heart ablation recovery 

5:00 — Calving season chaos begins 

6:30 — The backwards twin at 1am 

9:00 — Discovering the second twin 17 hours later 

12:30 — Jojo's stillborn calves 

14:45 — The Shortlander C-section story 

18:00 — Mastitis: catching it before it's too late 

22:40 — Highland udder shaving & bull manscaping

25:00 — Arnold the pig strikes again 

26:30 — Come on the podcast!

Follow us on social media so you don't miss out on any advice, auction updates, or crazy farm stories!

Find us on Facebook: Horns N Hooves Instagram: @hornsnhoovesauctionpodcast TikTok: @Hornsnhoovespodcast Website: hornsnhoovesauction.com

Production Credit: Edited and produced by @the32collective_ / https://www.the32collective.co/

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Hey everybody, welcome back to Horns and Home. Taylor and I are here with you today, just us. It's been a hot minute since we've done a podcast together. It's been a hot minute since I've been on. Um, I had some health issues come up. It was hell. It was rough. I literally felt like every day of my life I was dredging through thick mud up to my chest or neck. It was horrible. I finally had a heart ablation and I feel so much better. And if anybody's seen me before, they have the people have said I look so much better too. You sound so much better. It was a rough one. It really was. It was scary. I think it got more scary at the end when my heart was getting up to 222 beats per minute, even in my sleep. So I did the heart ablation, which I did not want to do. I was scared to death of doing it. Like I was embolted and like wasn't gonna do it the night before telling Sean, I'm canceling, I'm done, I'm not doing it, I can't do it because I was so scared about it. It was a big deal. So I think he thought wasn't doing it. And the next morning I'm like, what are you doing? We gotta leave in like whatever, however many minutes. You just told me last night you aren't doing it. And I said, I changed my mind. I gotta get this done. I have to get it done. I cannot live like this anymore. You needed it. Yeah, they went in, they found two spots. I was having PVCs and sinus rhythm tachycardia, but it was getting the episodes were getting longer and more frequent, and the PVCs were getting they had a pattern to them. So the medication that they put me on, literally, we were in Denver for the stock show, and I missed Friday and Saturday out there. The medication, I could not the altitude like out there, and that medication that they had me on, that medication's horrible. Oh sorry, but it's a beta blocker. And if anybody knows me, they know I like run on adrenaline. I fly by the seat of my pants. So take my adrenaline away with a beta blocker, and I'm like dead to the world. And it truly is like you're trying to push through mud. It's worse than trying to find a river, walking up the current. I don't know how else to explain it. But they went in there, they found two spots, and so far, when was that? I can't remember. February 18th. It's been a couple weeks now. Yeah, it's two weeks yesterday. Well, this is the fifth, but since they did it, oh my gosh, I do feel so much better. I've had up and downs, but they told me I was gonna have that. It's a healing process. They did go in there and mess with my heart, burn my whatever they do. I've seen the how they do it. I probably shouldn't have watched the video. I'm in the medical, failed, and I had to watch the video. But I'm back, I'm happy, and of course I come back to hitting hardcore calving season.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

It's a good thing you got it done before calving season, I feel like, for you though. The stress set what you've been going through, the stress not having that surgery done, that would have been bad. Not good.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Yeah, and it's a good thing that I don't sleep at night. I'm a nine owl, so I can do the late night, the late night check, and I can sleep till nine if I want to, and or whenever. And then Sean can check in the mornings. But we've had some situations, we've talked about them.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

You have, you've had so much. I'm grateful I haven't started. You have me intimidated about starting tabbing in a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

I thought we had just had a terrible black cloud. And I was telling my vet that I was about ready to throw in the towel, honestly. And she goes, You are not the only ones. Like she said, everybody's been having some issues this year, and we've been having some respiratory issues, but we are getting we're in Nebraska. Nebraska to have 70 degrees in February is unheard of. I mean, well, not unheard of, but it's not like multiple days in a row to have these. Right, it's been beautiful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

And we're supposed to get snow tomorrow, like up here. I don't know about you guys down there, but we're supposed to get like one to two inches. It's 70 here today, I think. It's beautiful. I mean, my boys are out in shorts and t-shirts today. And tomorrow we're supposed to get snow, which is horrible on calves.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

Yes, it is. And to have that temperature and then have that drop. We've been having some respiratory issues. We ended up, well, we lost one to respiratory that was an older calf, four or five months old, and we did not poster. We probably should have just to see because I feel like usually my older calves, I don't have problems, but it happens. I mean, this is all stuff. We're just having it all happen at once. So we had we lost that one. Then we had one of our embryo cows that we don't know what happened to her. She was on some pasture in town. She accidentally got left there, but there's still pasture and stuff there. When Sean and water and all that, so not a huge deal. And the guy that owns the pasture said we would take her in and feed her with his cows and stuff. And she came back, and it almost looked like we were a little bit worried that she had water belly or something because everything was just hot hanging straight down. Looked like her muscles were not, she lost her muscle tone in her stomach. And so we had the vet out because we were pregnant checking and setting up cedars or doing cedars here. I don't know when that was. All my days are running together. So and she took a look at her and she's like, Well, she's almost close to her due date. We may have to induce her just because of what she was seeing. She said, I don't think she has water belly, but I don't know what really is going on with her. She was worried that she may not be able to have the calf because her muscles just did not look like they were strong enough to have to go through labor. So we induced her on the when she was able to be induced before she was due. Well, when we induced her, she said about 36 hours and she's gonna go through labor. And sure enough, because it can happen from 24 to 72 hours, and sure enough, she went into labor like right at 36 hours. It was pretty much on the dock. The other bat, the bat on call, Jack was like wait or ready for because they thought they figured she would need help. Right. Happened to be one in the morning or something like that. It was super late.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Yeah, I remember talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Chase happened to be out and about or something because Chase was over here. Maybe Sean called Chase. I don't know. My which is Chase's my nephew. So him and Sean were both in there and realized this calf is coming backwards. Well, we went out, or they got they were able to chase, he's got small enough RN he calves for the neighbors, and they calve out a whole bunch every year. He's experienced, yeah. He's very ex and they also have a dairy farm. But he went in there and he flipped that calf. And he said, This isn't a small calf. We got that calf out, and this is an Aka. This was Aka registered embryos that we put in. And that calf came out, it was pretty darn big, but it also had it had been cramped so much that hooves were folded under, and both of them on the front, and then his back ones were he was kind of stiff, but okay. So we started working with trying to stretch those out and giving the proper medicine. Sometimes, which ours eat, they have the proper mineral and nutrients, doesn't mean that they're all eating it like they should. So we had the vitamin E' on hand to give them if we need to, and so we did that. We ended up doing some decks to try to get it to relax that his hooves. They were bent and stiff, it was crazy. We have not actually, I know this probably happens a lot, but we have never experienced it ourselves, even with our commercial cattle. We've experienced where they might be a little bit, but they come right out of it. Um, not to this extent. So we had been working with him and stuff. We never thought about a second calf. We always check for a second calf. But Sean had asked the vet, is it possible that she has twins? And she said the percentage would be next to none unless that embryo split. Well, we were so excited to get the calf out ourselves. We didn't have to take it in, and so excited for that calf, we didn't check for another calf. So here we are the next day, and this is 17 hours later. I went in the barn and took my grandpa to the hospital or pick him up from the ER. He had a little just anyway. Picked him up, got him home, got him situated, went out to go check that calf. The mom is out there with she's in labor again. And I thought, well, maybe she's just trying to get rid of the cleaning still. Yeah. And I'm like, this is crazy. So I call Jack, the vet that was on call, and like, something's going on with this. And the more we got to talking, he's like, Did you check for a second cat? I'm like, no, we just thought put an embryo in. There's just gonna be one anyway. But sure enough, this cow is on the ground, not getting up at this point. Sean actually laid down on the ground, stuck his hand up there, and felt calf number two. So here we are with calf number two coming backwards. 17 hours later. So we thought for sure this calf is going to not be here. It's going, it's not gonna make it, right? I mean, 17 hours is a little bit long to have a second twin in there. Well, we got that calf out. Actually, Chase was able to come over. Sean tried, and Chase's arms are just skinnier. And Sean tried for quite a while, and Chase came over and he finally got it flipped. And we got him out, and we're pretty sure that they're identical. They looked identical, yeah. They looked identical, except for one is way smaller than the other one. Right. The one was taking up all the room. I'm surprised the other one didn't come out with all stiffened up, but just the one. And so we got him out, and he was alive. Like, we seen life, and I think Chase was like, he goes, Oh my gosh, I can't believe it. And I'm like, is it alive? Because I couldn't see what was going on over there. And pretty soon I seen movement, and I'm like, oh my gosh, it is alive. You're just shocked. But we worked with the calf, the bigger calf, for about a week, and he ended up passing away. But my vet's going to do, she actually did took a sample for tissue to see if they were because it's she's had it happen, and I'm sure a lot of people know this, but you can put an embryo in, they can release an ocyte, they could be bred by two different bulls. But to me, they look the same, all of that. So she actually was doing some research on that one. Oh, cool. That's good. Yeah, we did lose the one, but I guess what's meant to be is meant to be.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

The other one's doing good though.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

The other one's doing good. Mom's a good mom. All of that. That's awesome. Yeah, I feel like he's a little bit slower, a little bit immature. I don't know how to how to say it, except for that, than some of my other calves, but he's doing really well.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Well, I'll say this. I have had a twin do myself on the 18th. So when you like were going through all this, like I'm sitting here thinking, what am I gonna go through? But thankfully I know ahead of time this cow is a smaller cow. She's a chondra positive cow, and this was bull bred twins. But she was technically. I mean, that would be crazy when you say now that it could be two bulls. I did have two bulls in there. So I guess I'll be DNA testing both of them and we'll see how they turn out. But I've already like got plans, like, okay, I've talked to a couple other people. They're like, let her have the first one, go in and pull the second one. That's your best way to do it. And like I'm sitting here listening to you how they're like turning them and they're doing all this thing. So like I'm gonna make sure I have someone else on hand too that is like, I'll try, but in case I'm not able to do it, they can come out and help me because that's nerve-wracking. Like, gotta get them out quick. But here 17 hours later, like that's crazy. When you called me and you told me that, I was like, no way, like what? How does that happen?

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Yeah, apparently that happens also when you don't check, which we know better than we always usually check, but that calf was so big. Anyway, it happens. Crazy deal. That's just one of those learning things that you should always check for a buddy in there.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yep. Whenever you have to pull a calf, always go back in and make sure there's not a second, especially from what I learned in school. Like if you have a calf come backward, there's a good chance it's a twins. That's one thing they said. Stick your arm back in.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

So last year we had our a British white Jojo, and she had a calf that was born unalived. I'll use that word because I don't know. Some of these apps, they don't like that other word. So unalived. Stillborn. Yeah, there you go, stillborn. Um, so Jojo had this calf that was stillborn, and that was last year. Who knows? Anything can happen, right? We'd have no idea why it was born, stillborn. So this year, she had an embryo in her, and she's a cow and had a small calf because it was actually on our mini crossbred art breed side. She had another stillborn calf. So we have been talking about what is this? Why is she doing this? And sometimes it's just a placenta issue in them because they're full-term.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Like I remember seeing both of them, like they're full-term babies.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Yep, I think she calped like right on her due date or really close. But yeah, we don't know what's going on for sure, but they just think that it's a possible placenta issue.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

So is that something like with just her? Like, she's just not like potentially this could happen again next year kind of deal. It could that stinks, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

We are taking it if we were to breed her again. I mean, we're taking that chance for a third year, and we're the first one, she was AI'd, so it was our own calf. And this one was an embryo, so not related to her, and it was born, stillborn also. She had a beautiful calf, and I don't want to go through it again if that's the case. So I'm like, I think her days are unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Uh but in the ranching world, I mean, you gotta make those tough calls to feed. I mean, that cow is costing you money and not producing. I mean, that's a hard one to weigh your odds.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

And she's registered British white, so she's a standard size cow. So we had that happen, and then we had the twins, and then we had the older one that passed away uh for respiratory issues. When I found her, I mean, it was fast, like she just went downhill so fast, which can happen. But I have not ever seen it really in a five-month-old. I'll see it sometimes in the younger ones, and we also give nasal gin right away when they're born. But then we also had forgotten about Delilah. Delilah had, and she throws beautiful babies, so this was such a bummer. But she had one that we were able to get it pulled at the vet, but the calf didn't make it. These things are just hard. Yeah. We have been working to breed what I call shortlanders, they're crossed between a highland and a short horn. It's just a name that I gave him. But he has been working hard to get that roan pattern in the blue road or black room, whatever you want to call it. And we finally produced that calf. And it he was absolutely beautiful with a ton of hair. He was beautiful. We had problems with him. He was coming out the right way, but he was a little bit bigger calf, and it took some time pulling him. And Sean tried, and then we ran him up to the vet, and the vet tried, and then she ended up doing a C-section. And when we got him out, he was doing okay, but his legs just from being pulled on, they were all swelled, and so we thought, okay, we'll just get him home, and everything will be good on this. And this is gonna be a learning experience for everybody on what they think possibly could have happened with him. Because of him, the pull being so hard and the time span, he could not get up. And we're having to feed him, and you know, they say, do not tube while they're laying down, don't feed while they're laying down. But this calf kept laying on its back, and we would get it all propped back up and getting really tight, getting put back in, and it didn't matter. He wanted to stand up, he really did. He wanted to be up, and we should have been feeding in two-hour increments with him, and we weren't. We were just feeding like we normally would feed a bottle baby, and so we should have been feeding in two hour increments, and what happened was is they think that he had acidosis, um, where he was not able to get out the carbon dioxide from laying there, and then also feeding him spread out in high volume. It is what it is, we learned from it, and yeah we know, but with that, also the cow that I knew, or this heifer, well, that I knew would produce these babies, they said she probably will not be able to read back. And I've had over however many six, seven years that we've had the commercials and these. I've had we've only had five c-sections, and three out of the five have bred back, or three out of the four so far have bred back. I guess we don't really we can't really put sugar in that category. I know a lot of people that have commercials that just automatically send them. They they don't take the chance on them, but I've taken the chance on mine and I've had three out of four breed back, but they don't think that she'll break back.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

I bought a c-section cow and I had no clue. They didn't disclose that she had a c-section, and this is crazy. She was like about to pop, huge, and all of a sudden one day I was out there and there's like strings sticking out of her stomach. And my first thought was it looked like a freaking worm. And I was like, oh my gosh, what is that? And she's tame enough. And I had her like locked up in like a small area because she was so close to calving. I tried to just grab it and it cut my finger. And I was like, what the hell is that? And so I'm calling and I'm talking to them, like, do you see like a scar? So I like pin her up, like where I can like really feel sure enough, there's a scar. So I call up the guy I bought her from and I was like, Hey, do you have a C-section? And he's like, Oh yeah, her last calf was a C-section. But since she brought back, the vet said it was no big deal, which is totally fine. That's no big deal, but like disclose that. Come on, like whatever. But so she had that calf, she did perfectly fine, and then we brought her back, and then she actually got mastitis on us, like right when that calf was weaning. We don't know what happened. Her calf looked so much like her, and I was gone for a couple days. Then, like in the midst of everything, like we missed that she wasn't with everybody. And Jason happened to find her. She was on the back corner of the pasture, super thin, like she was super sick from this mastitis. Brought her in. I mean, I melked her out every couple hours. I treated it for her and she came out of it. So that's a sweet cow. And so she's already bred. So I really didn't want to send her on her way. So she actually just cowed for us again. This will be our second baby after her C-section and healthy, strong baby. So thank goodness. But that's scary. I mean, if it's a C-section, you just don't know. But we've been blessed. The one that we bought with a C-section has had two babies now. So I hope sugar's that way for you. I hope so because that calf was beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Speaking of mastitis, this is another thing that we have fun that think about. And the only reason why we knew that this happened was because we kept the calf and cow in the barn, and the calf acted like it was still hungry. So how Highlands have long hair, right? You have to really look at their bag, and her bag looked perfectly fine. Well, this calf was having some trouble sucking. So we ran mom into the chute, one of my registered girls, actually, and she has a decent looking bag. Um, but we ran her into the chute and got to feeling, and her three of her quarters were hard. Now, normally when that happens, they're not gonna come out of it. Well, this girl looks like she has produced her bag, it's all there, right? Like it looks good, it's a good bag, but the her teats were hard, and there was only one side that was really smoked. It was enough for this calf, and we got the calf sucking, and it was enough for him to go. Well, we kept him in we kept him in the barn. Well, Sean brought her in again to check it out because I'm like, I'm not kicking those them out of the barn until I know that he's for sure getting enough from her one quarter, and if anything else is hoping, opened up crazy thing. She dropped it, must have dropped her milk, and all of them are fine. But normally when they harden up like that, so we would not have known it had we not had her in the barn. That calf and cow, if the calf would have been sucking, he would have only had one quarter, and it might not have been enough for him. And so that's just something to think about. Did Sean milk the other ones out? He tried, but we couldn't. They were too hard. And Chase was over here too, and he they have a dairy farm. Um, and we didn't treat, we waited, we didn't really treat it because we thought it was an old like mastitis type thing, is what we were thinking. And we couldn't figure out when she would have had it because I never seen like she was had any problems, and I'm out there every day with them, and Sean's out there every day with them. But had she had mastitis like we thought, and had those been hard and not have dropped, you could have a calf out there not getting enough nutrients and not getting enough milk from mom.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Or not getting any clostrum, too. Mastitis cows are a hard one where you really are taking a gamble rebreeding and really gotta make sure that calf gets clostrum.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

And he sucked all that quarter out, and then we gave more clostrum for him. But had we not had him in the barn, him have problems sucking right away, we wouldn't have known this. None would have known this. So just something that I thought I would talk about on our podcast.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Well, with mastitis too, it's a serious deal. So, like, not only is it your calf though, but like it can take a cow down so fast. I had another one that got mastitis, which is just crazy. I don't know if it's the time of the year, I mean, or like the weather we've been having. And this cow. I mean, big healthy cow. She was just in. We just pregte her. And sure enough, I went out there and she like was I caked them and she ain't come running, which is a red flag, right? And sure enough, she had mostitis forming in one quarter. We got her in, we melted out for like three days. But like she looked like she was on death's door. She just went from perfectly fine to super sick. But it was only one quarter. She was still letting that calf nurse. We got medicine on board and she made a turnaround. But again, like you're saying, like ours are locked in for a winter, like they're not on big pasture. I can see like people lose them and you don't even realize that mastitis. It does not take long to take a cow out.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

No, and I'll tell you what, I'm like, Pardon me, and I wonder if people do this. If they shaved a highland just so the calf wasn't getting a ton of hair, because we've got our registered seem to have they got a ton of hair there. But I'm like, I wonder how many people actually shave the around the it's not a horrible idea. I yeah, just so you can see it and see what's happening because some of them you can't really see what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

It also can hold like dirt and bacteria there that can get into the quarter too. I mean, that can cause mastitis in a sense, too, just by having that extra long hair there around that quarter.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

That's true. We have to do once or twice a year. We're I always say it's time for manscaping time on our bowls. We have to manscape our we have to manscape our bowls because I've heard horror stories about people losing their bowls function from hair twisting around.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Or you get those little bulls. Like I have a little bull who's 13 months old now, and that hair down there, if you don't keep it trimmed, like he's so small that it can touch the ground. Yeah. You have to clip that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

You gotta give him a little man skate button.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Oh man. I saw this may be too much of information here, but I saw the craziest deal. One of my bold, like main conductive bulls that we live breed with, Vinny. He's small, but like I watched him walking across the pasture. I was like, I wasn't even in the pasture, I was on the road, and I see him walking red rocket out. Okay. And he's walking and it caught on the ground and it just like it stayed, and he just kept walking. And I was like, he's gonna step on it, is what I thought. I was like, oh my gosh, he's gonna step on his red rocket. It's gonna be broken, it's not gonna work. He didn't, and I hope he learned his lesson off of that too, because that did not look like it felt good.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

I'm betting you that he was too busy checking out the ladies to even go.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

He was in with the bulls, he wasn't even in with cows yet. This was before we put cows out. I don't know what he was doing, if he had, I don't know, an itch on it or what. No, oh my bulls, I don't know. It was him and another one. It was him and Maverick, and they're just like walking on the hillside.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

They were like, come on, we're ready, lady. I guess. I get it. Yeah, I always think my bulls have issues because I see them a lot of times rubbing up against feedbunks. I don't know if uh the male version of scratching the feet of themselves that's how they have to do it.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Maverick gets on top of the tubs and he likes so the tub is like perfect height for him, and he just like rubs and rubs on that thing. And I'm like, everyone else has to use that too, buddy. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Sean's so frustrated. Everybody knows that Sean's not a big fan of Arnold. The Arnold that I got for Arnold the pig, yes. Arnold's always in trouble. Well, Arnold, we uh don't have we're waiting for the electricians for lights in my barn, and so we have a generator outside of the one barn, and Arnold, he's taking advantage of the generator. He's sexually frustrated. Yeah, Sean is not liking it. He ruined his square bales. He's like, your pig keeps gr dragging out your square bales. Well, I have video of what he was doing to those square bales, those poor bales. You need to get him a girlfriend, for goodness sakes. He might need a girlfriend because he drives me nuts. I thought I was gonna have to let him go because he will tend to try to suck on my instead of going in water, try to suck on my mama cows, but we now have more water, so he's figured out not to dump his thing, but he's constantly dumping his pants.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

The story of Arnold, Arnold, the pain in the butt pig. To do our own episodes on Arnold.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Oh my goodness. And it had been a while. We're back. We would love to have you guys on. We are looking for people to hop on with us. Share your story. Yeah, yeah. I don't know about you guys, but we love to hear your stories when you come on. And I'm hoping other people are loving to hear people's stories too. When they hop on, it's kind of like not alone. Like me, I've had nothing but troubles this year. And then I hear from other people that they're having some troubles too. Don't feel like I'm doing everything wrong or whatever. And that's just the nature of things I say. If you have them, you're gonna lose them. But we would love to have you guys, and it can be good stories, it doesn't have to be like your bad stories, but we uh love to hear from other farms, we love to hear how you got started and things that you wished you would have known when you got started. I think everybody can learn from everybody, and we love hearing from you too. So send us a message and let us know. We would love to have you on.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Not everyone in the Highland world. A lot of people are first generation farmers, right? So it's really cool to hear the how we got started stories. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

The people that have been here for some. Yeah, teach us something. We love to hear from them too. Yeah. So we pre-record these. I have an awesome editor, and so you don't have to be afraid to hop on. It's just the three of us having a conversation. Hop on with us.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

If we can do it, you can do it.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Exactly. All right, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in, and we will see you next time on Horns and Hooves. Bye, guys.