WEBVTT 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:06.559 Hello everyone and thank you for joining us again on the Sunday service. 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:11.119 I hope you've all had a good cricketing week and the season is properly underway. 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:20.399 I'm sat here at the Key Rover watching Surrey play Leicestershire in the second round of the County Championship, and I'm delighted to say that the old man is back alongside me. 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:27.600 Oh yeah, Hector, what a joy to be back with you and to have cricket underwear again here in South London. 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:29.280 A quiet word though. 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:30.960 What have you been up to? 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:38.640 I was away in Birmingham last week here and have been a very naughty boy. 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:44.719 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Sunday service with Church and Vicus. 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:01.520 And busy getting ready for the next game. 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:04.239 But that is the very nature of the county championship. 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:06.959 Church, how was the first week of the county championship for you? 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:08.959 It was very good, young Hector, thank you. 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:13.439 I witnessed a hard-fought draw at Edgeweston with sublime batting from Mr. 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:14.159 Laws, Mr. 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:14.799 Folkes, Mr. 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:15.599 Mosley, Mr. 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:16.239 Smith, and Mr. 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:16.719 Lawrence. 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:30.079 I got you up to Birmingham from the parish on Easter Sunday because you were quite frankly causing chaos back in the parish and took you for a pint in the city centre after play, where we witnessed yet more chaos. 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:33.359 And it was all before 8.30 in the evening. 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:39.359 I then made my way home, did some domestic chores, and then prepared for the opening game here in South London. 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:45.920 And can I just say it is lovely to be back looking at the gasometer and Archbishop Tedison's all day? 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.280 So what's on the show today, please, you naughty boy? 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.840 Supposed if the people have seen pictures of the AI, AI. 00:01:58.079 --> 00:01:59.519 Just be careful, that's all I'm saying. 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.319 AI, AI, oh, what are you now, farmer? 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:04.159 Clayoffs in the parish. 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:08.719 Well, no, I was left in charge of during the opening round of the championship matches. 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:12.639 We have our new hard-fitting feature, everybody. 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:15.759 What cricket sound is this? 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:29.439 And our guest today is the former Sussex Warwickshire and England all-rounder, Dermot Reid for which has very honestly determined about his drug addiction for that he has been fighting since his playing. 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:39.280 And thanks to our friend Newbury Cricket, we will be announcing the winner of one of their magnificent, and they are magnificent in the journal about. 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:45.759 It is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful piece of willow. 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:48.159 And and don't jump in. 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:50.080 You're naughty at the moment. 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.479 And don't forget you can get in touch with us. 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:59.120 Just email sundayservice.pod at yourhoo.com or tweet at Sundayservice22. 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.800 Lots to get through, so let's get cracking with the Sunday service. 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:08.319 This is Cameron Steele, and you are listening to the Sunday service with church and vicars. 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:26.479 Good morning, I trust your cricketing week has been full of a green tinge to the surface on day one, but getting better to bat on days two and three, and setting up an exciting day four. 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.520 It has been quite a week in the parish. 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:37.360 As I told you last week, I made my way to Birminghamshire for the start of the domestic cricket season, leaving young Mr. 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:38.960 Vickers in charge. 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:43.599 To record the start of the season, I invited the parish photographer Mr. 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:44.000 W. 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:44.159 G. 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:49.199 Rumblepants to take pictures of departure from the parish. 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.560 As you may have seen, I left on my pushbike with Mr. 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:55.599 Vickers on the back, but I'll let you into a secret. 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:03.120 I had the Honda Civic at the end of the lane to get me to West Midlandshire before next April. 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:07.680 Imagine my surprise then when I was suddenly seeing pictures of young Mr. 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:24.399 Vickers lounging, and that is the only way it can be described in my armchair back at Boycott Vicarage, eating the sandwiches that were meant for Thursday evening's WI Top Gun Rewatch evening. 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:31.040 The ladies of the parish are enormous fans of Maverick and Iceman, and I have had to stop Mrs. 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:36.639 Jenkins telling me that I'm writing checks my body can't cash. 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:40.800 If that wasn't bad enough, I then received a picture of young Mr. 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:48.399 Vickers having what can only be described as a rave in Boycott Vicarage with the Parish Eleven. 00:04:48.639 --> 00:05:04.079 I rang him immediately and he tried to persuade me that they were actually watching reruns of the highlights of the 2005 Ashes series and were reenacting the bus top parade and celebrations of England's famous Ashes win. 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:07.600 Stern words were had, and I'm glad I got Mr. 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:15.279 Rumblepants to stay on and record the mayhem, and that is the only way it can be described taking place in the parish. 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:21.199 Thankfully, Sunday service ran smoothly, although I must admit I was quite surprised to hear Mr. 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:28.319 Vickers in the choir singing a reworking of ACDC's Thunderstruck on Easter Sunday. 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:33.040 But and I will now be honest, I rather enjoyed it, especially when Mrs. 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:42.399 Watts sang The Thunder of Guns, yeah, tore me apart, you've been thunderstruck quite beautifully. 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:53.360 Young Mr Bickers and I have had a sit down and he's been told there can be no repeat this week, although I am able to get back to the parish every night from the Ovalshire. 00:05:53.920 --> 00:06:01.279 The first week of the domestic summer was, and I really do mean this and forgive my French, bloody marvellous. 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:08.720 At Edgeburstonshire there was a hard-fought draw between Surreyshire and Warwickshire. 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:14.240 The first morning the ball nipped about and the Warwickshire bowlers were exemplary. 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:15.120 But young Mr. 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:22.480 Laws and the Matinee Idol Mr Folks helped not only steady the ship, but guide it into calmer waters. 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:30.319 The Warwickshire batters then replied in magnificent fashion, especially young Mr Mosley, and it was left to Mr Smith and Mr. 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:34.160 Lawrence to bat serene as the game ended in a draw. 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:41.600 Hands were shook as the sun shone on the final day, and I made my way back to the parish in fabulous fettle. 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:49.920 Congratulations to Essexhire, Sussexhire and Middlesexhire, who all picked up wins last week. 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.240 You're hearing my sermon today on the third day of the second round of matches. 00:06:54.480 --> 00:07:02.879 As I said, I'm in the Shire of the Oval, which feels like a second home, and the weather has been marvellous this week. 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:15.120 After the chaos of Storm Dave, especially at Chester Street Shire last week, this week has been calmer, and no doubt our great players have been making headlines once again. 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:26.639 It is also extremely good to see the women's season underway in the Metro Bank 50 competition, and it means the season is really going now. 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:39.439 I hope you've all seen friends of a cricketing persuasion, and I hope you're listening to this in the sun, watching your county with a drink and a paper of choice and soaking up the sounds of the season. 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:40.879 So, young Mr. 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:52.240 Vickers is on his best behaviour, although I have allowed him to have his reworking of the Prodigy's Firestarter sung by the choir midway through today's service. 00:07:52.480 --> 00:08:00.319 The choir gave a sneak preview on Friday evening in the Badgers Googly, and I must say it went down rather well. 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:06.240 Now, I would like to leave you with possibly the greatest cricket stat of all time. 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:10.720 Wednesday of this week it was the great AJ Stewart's birthday. 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:21.920 One of England's finest practitioners of the noble art of opening the batting, wicket keeping, and being captain, was born on the 8th of April 1963. 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.639 That is the 8th of the 4th 63. 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:29.120 And his number of test runs? 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.120 8,463. 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:44.559 Simply magnificent! And a man who scored a Test Match 100 in his 100th test on the Queen Mother's 100th birthday. 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:49.519 All I can say is some of us know exactly what we're up to. 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:59.200 Until next Sunday, may all your tea breaks be with 32 overs of the day left, and may you all pick up some bowling points. 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.000 Till then, bat well everybody. 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.639 Bat very, very well. 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:38.879 Well, where would hell? 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:45.039 If you can tell us where as well. 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:49.679 So for the first time, what cricket sound is this? 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:20.240 If you think you know, email sundayservice.pod at yahoo.com or tweet at Sundayservice22. 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.120 Hi, Matt Fisher, Surrey in England. 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:26.960 Um, you're listening to the Sunday service with Church and Vickers. 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:30.559 And now it's time for our cricketing guest. 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:42.639 Dermot Reeve captained Warwickshire to six trophies in two years during the 1990s, quite rightly, earning him the reputation as one of the game's greatest domestic captains. 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:50.159 He also played three Tests for England and 29 one-day internationals, including the World Cup final in 1992. 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:57.679 After retiring, he became a familiar face and voice on international cricket coverage, including England Test matches. 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:06.320 But on the eve of the 2005 African series, he left Channel 4 after admitting he had a cocaine addiction. 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:12.240 Twenty-one years later, he's living in supported housing after battling his addiction. 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:23.519 Now, Dermot was our third voice on the BBC's Commentary of Warwickshire against Surrey, and I sat down with him at lunchtime on the third day and started by asking him a very simple question. 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:25.840 I asked him how he was. 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:32.799 Nice to be back at Edge Baston. 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.279 Um haven't had the best of health really in the last year. 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:44.559 I've got you know I've been diagnosed now diabetic, and yeah, my circulation to my legs and feet aren't great. 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:46.559 So yeah, I'm feeling my age. 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.480 Sore knees, sort of aching joints. 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:56.480 But um yeah, I I still can look back on my career and think, well, it was all worth it. 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:59.039 But I feel like the best days have gone. 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:00.480 I don't know that. 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:02.000 You've been with us on commentary. 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:05.440 It's been absolutely wonderful to have your insight. 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.279 It's well documented what you've you you've been through. 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.039 How tough, how tough has it been for you? 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:17.919 Uh because it's so good to see you back at cricket, but how tough has it been for you? 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:49.679 Um it's been very tough, but it's important to um you know, to to try and remain, you know, on the positive side of of life as opposed to the negative, and um, you know, and in that, you know, I do have to spend a a lot of my days um, you know, choosing acceptance instead of frustration for for mistakes made and you know, trying to try to mend relationships, for example, with my children. 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:57.039 You know, I could just wallow in sort of self-pity and and sadness and and get upset if I if I think about it too much. 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:11.279 So I have to you know, I have to move on with the um the intention of of feeling acceptance, really, and you know, try and bring a bit of joy um with my thoughts. 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:27.279 Um because it's very important, you know, every time we feel feel an emotion we produce a chemical uh pituitary gland and hypothalamus, they produce a peptide that actually goes into your bloodstream, a bit like a drug of that particular emotion. 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:39.600 And if you think of if you're producing an emotion too much all the time, you become actually addicted to being, you know, for example, angry people I think they get angry every day. 00:13:39.840 --> 00:14:00.240 Something happens and they and they bark and get angry and you know, and I saw my mum, you know, every time she had a trigger of my dad after he had he had left her for a different woman, you know, she ended up sort of sitting with a a feeling of feeling sorry for herself and a bit sad and of a failure, you know, Alec left me. 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:09.759 And you know, I saw my mum turn from a a very positive, happy lady who loved life to turning to a bit of a poor me at the end of her days. 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:11.919 So I know it works, you know. 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:20.000 The ability to control your thoughts to rule your emotional state, I think is probably the most powerful thing in in the universe. 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:28.240 You know, and I have to do it I've been doing it all the all the time for for twenty years now, you know, living without my children has been so hard. 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:44.720 But I have to make myself picture I used to picture getting off the plane with a trolley with my bags and the kids are there smiling, waving, and I'd take myself to that place in my mind and produce a an emotion of excitement because that moment might come in the future. 00:14:45.279 --> 00:15:14.080 So, you know, living with pain and living with life, um, at times, you know, can be very difficult and very can be sad, but you know, thank goodness I've got you know, I've got YouTube and I can I can flick on a you know a Warwicks match from from the past and enjoy enjoy a moment of seeing Paul Smith pick up the Benson Hedges man of the match and reminisce and then go, wow, that was 30 years ago. 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:23.279 How how important is it as well for you that you know, as I say, you've been with us on the commentary, your insight has been amazing for us as well. 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:33.840 But to to sort of be back and watching watching cricket and and involved in the game again and talking about the game again, how important has that been for you? 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:35.440 Well, yeah, I love it I love it. 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.799 But I have to I I love it. 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:52.799 And I at times I find it very frustrating because I'm actually watching and I'm captaining in my head and I'm thinking, why is he, you know, why has he put that fielder there and you know, they're not working hard enough on shining the ball, etc. 00:15:53.440 --> 00:16:18.399 Um So, you know, but I I I have had moments in my not just my playing career, but in my coaching with, you know, central districts out in New Zealand, where you know, I had some very happy moments, very proud moments when Peter Ingram got picked as a black cap and and Ewan Thompson, um, in his first T twenty for his country, bowled a wicket maiden at Chris Gale. 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:25.039 Um because, you know, I felt I had had an influence on them, you know, and their thinking and their attitude. 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:32.960 So, you know, I'm a big believer with cricket, but you know, whatever the format, it's just one ball at a time. 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.679 And you just that's all that exists. 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.799 So getting players to realise what being in the moment really means. 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:48.639 Because all you are is you have this moment, this one ball, and you just gotta be in the right emotional place for this one ball, and then it's gone. 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:50.320 And then it's the next ball. 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:58.320 So, you know, you can make it quite simple and go, I've just got to make sure I've got the right attitude and effort at every ball. 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:02.879 And then winning and losing takes care of itself because you're not really in control of that. 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:04.880 Let me take you back, if you don't mind. 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:07.680 Born in Hong Kong, grew up there. 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:09.519 Uh what sort of kid were you? 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:18.160 I get the impression that you were just whatever sport you turned your head to, you were one of those who was just very good because you're a good footballer as well. 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:24.160 Well was it like and and cricket, I I read somewhere that you you love cricket because it took your whole day up as well. 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:29.599 But but but but was it you you were obviously naturally a a natural sportsman. 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:43.440 Yeah, I mean, you know, maybe it was you you were a big fish in a small pond in in Hong Kong that you know, I played rugby hockey, football, cricket, all for Hong Kong schoolboys and played cricket for the the the Hong Kong team. 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:48.400 Um so yeah, I I loved school in that I love the sporting side of it. 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:57.839 I had something to do at the end of every day of school, there was some activity, either hockey practice or rugby practice, football practice, cricket twice a week. 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:00.160 Um and I just love sport. 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:01.839 I loved the competitiveness. 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:08.880 I had three elder brothers um who uh they were quite sporty as well, but it made me, I think, very competitive. 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:12.559 You know, had to compete to get a word in at the at the table. 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:18.160 Um so uh yeah, I had a delightful, a delightful childhood. 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:25.440 And uh yeah, I I look back on my time in in Hong Kong, you know, hugely fondly. 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:31.440 And you know, that was my that was my home for sort of 18 years when I joined the Lord staff. 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:41.440 MPC young cricketers, like, you know, I couldn't believe how green London was and and y yes I had to clean windows and sell scorecards, etc. 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.000 But it was a great education for me. 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:49.839 That now I was playing on turf learning how to hold the ball right, to swing it or seam it. 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:57.599 And you know, then I've you know, I ended up having I j you know, I just always thought if I could play one day of first class cricket, that would be great. 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:09.279 And you know, to have had a a career and then to lead a side, to have that honour and that privilege to go right, I'm now gonna run the cricket how I believe cricket should be run. 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.559 So there was became at Warwick no senior and junior. 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:14.000 Everyone was equal. 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:19.839 I always made the youngsters in the team share a voice to try and to try and grow. 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:25.279 But I was a real believer and I still am in what I call the power of energy. 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:35.519 You know, if I came into the dressing room door, um you know, I made sure that at that point I'm gonna affect everybody when I walk in with my energy. 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:40.640 So however I felt, I would open that change of room door and put on a voice, Morning boys, how are we? 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:45.200 Lovely to be here, great to see you and just have that sort of upbeatness. 00:19:45.839 --> 00:20:07.680 Um and uh, you know, I felt for a while there we did have a very positive energy in the nineties at at at Warwickshire and the likes of people like Roger Too and then you know, Dougie Brown, Ashley Giles, and Wazim Khan, they they came into the team, they didn't just do well, they they excelled because they felt they felt welcome, they felt equal. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:45.680 Um yeah, and then uh, you know, it's well documented, but I coached Somerset for a few years, got involved in commentary, you know, and then I made that fateful mistake of having turned down, you know, offers for a couple of years, I decided to, you know, put a class A substance up my nose, you know, and then it became a a chain wreck, a a spiral to a place of you know, struggling with addiction, uh making poor decisions and and uh yeah, and it's been a hard, you know, it's been a hard last twenty five years of um you know living with that. 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:53.519 As a cricketer and as a captain, I always I look back and uh watched you the other day actually. 00:20:53.599 --> 00:21:04.720 I was doing something about the 92 World Cup You were always ahead of your time in the way you played, the way you batted, the way you bought, and the way you captive. 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:07.839 And and and the way we see cricket now as well. 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:15.680 You know, we we we've got a lot of T20 cricket, we've got franchise cricket, we've got players playing shots all around the park, we got bowlers trying stuff. 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.400 Um d do you do you feel like that? 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:25.519 Because you were having ideas back then that we're seeing now was just a regular part of the game, really. 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:31.920 Yeah, I mean for me I thought Alistair Brown should be opening the batting for England in one day cricket for a long time. 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:36.000 You know, because he's he's gonna go after you, he's gonna score quickly. 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:43.359 He was he was a rarity in that he was a a batsman who batted without you know I'm trying to think of the word. 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:44.960 He just had fair, he just played. 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.200 But he was only a batsman and a fielder. 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:47.920 He didn't bowl. 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:53.680 Normally, quite often people with an extra string to their bow can play with a bit more freedom if you tell them. 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:58.720 But Brownie, you know, Brownie might get a double hundred in a forty over game if it was his day. 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:13.839 And You know, so uh it was really for me just logical things, looking at you know, if I made a decision on the field, I was analysing and then I was making what I thought was just the the logical um decision to make. 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:23.200 And yeah, so um I'd always captained in my head, I'd captain at school, but I know I encourage everybody, all the team, to be captaining in their head. 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:34.160 I d I don't want to hear at the end of the match or the end of the day's play someone if I'd asked for thoughts to go, well uh captain, I thought, you know, we should have had a third man in place for for the last 30 over. 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.519 Yep, thanks for the point, but why didn't you share it at the time? 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:54.880 Um so, you know, I was lucky that I feel I've had a a bit a little bit of an impact on, for example, when Nick Knight I helped sign him to come here, and the first day he was here, I took him in the nets myself and taught him to reverse sweep. 00:22:55.200 --> 00:23:01.839 Um, you know, going down to Somerset and then encouraging them to premeditate paddles and reverse sweeps. 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:09.920 And remember Rob Turner getting down on one knee and flipping it at the end of a one-day final at Lord and thinking, oh, I taught him that shot. 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:21.200 Um so uh Yeah, but really just that that attitude of of when you're not playing, what are you doing to improve your cricket? 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:25.519 Now that means are you spending an hour and a half in the gym every day? 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:30.079 Are you working on your mobility and your strength and training anaerobically? 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.200 And when I went to Somerset, they didn't even have a gym. 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:35.119 Fitness wasn't great. 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:42.240 But you know, you can put a couple of cones down, twenty-two yards apart, and you can run run a three. 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:46.880 Sprint a three, then rest for fifteen seconds, sprint another three. 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:59.920 You know, train anaerobically, improve your anaerobic efficiency, and you'll produce less lactic acid, which will might lead to injuries or a poor spell later in on on a day's bowling. 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:19.039 So for me, I r I changed the way I trained, having met a sports scientist, and suddenly now I wasn't getting injured or feeling as stiff, and I could bowl longer spells, and and that helped me succeed or, you know, statistically uh better and get picked for for England. 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:22.559 So a lot of that was down to just attitude to my to my fitness. 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:32.559 Um and looking back on those England, uh you know, you played in a World Cup final in front of however many thousand people at the MCG, hundred thousand people. 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.880 J just just looking back on uh on the England stuff, I think three tests, wasn't it? 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:43.519 And uh over 21 days, and as I say, that World Cup in 92, which is the iconic what it's still the iconic. 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:49.359 Well, for my generation, that is still the iconic World Cup. 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.720 Uh sort of what are your mem memories of that now? 00:24:52.960 --> 00:25:00.000 Because obviously there was that semi-final with the famous 22 off one ball and then the the final against Pakistan. 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.920 But looking back now, what are your memories of that, that that World Cup? 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:16.559 Um Yeah, it was that it was all sort of a bit new to me that suddenly, wow, you you're playing with Botham and Gooch and you're actually out on the field playing for playing for England. 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:21.200 You're just a a young kid who who grew up playing on matting wickets in in Hong Kong. 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:25.440 But now you get out there, you just, you know, try and try and make a difference. 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:27.759 Just live every every ball. 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:37.359 Um you know, but one thing I look back on with some you know, and I'm quite fond of is you know, I actually got to Captain England in the Hong Kong sixes. 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:38.480 And we won it. 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:39.279 Yeah, but we're gonna be able to do that. 00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:53.920 You know, with Gladst with Gladstone Small and Robin Smith and Neil Fairbrother, but you know, that was when you talk about 2020, well this is even shorter and having the right tactics just for five overs. 00:25:54.799 --> 00:26:18.799 Um so uh yeah, that I I've plenty of fond memories and it it's very sad these days, because again at my age, you know, I've you're losing you know, the likes of Robin and Thorpey not long ago, but you know, now Tony Pigart recently and and my dear friend who I lived with here in in Birmingham, Keith Piper, you know, he's he's not in a good way at all. 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:32.319 So you know, life has those moments of of uh making you have to dig deep and which is what which is what you've done and what you're doing. 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.000 And there will be people out there listening to this. 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:39.839 And and look, what I've suffered from depression my whole life. 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:41.599 I catastrophise everything. 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.920 Everything catastrophic and you're talking about thoughts, my head goes the whole time, whole time. 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:52.000 And I've had to work on how do I not do that. 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:58.640 For for you as well, i every day is a new day, but every day is a battle, isn't it? 00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:00.640 It is a battle every day. 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:09.200 But for having seen you for the last couple of days, three days, you know, you're you're getting through each day. 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.920 And do you feel you're moving now in the right direction? 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.359 Because your positivity shines through. 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:20.960 Your positivity has shone through to me over the last three days. 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:22.160 It really has. 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:32.559 And as I say, you know, your your your knowledge of the game and the way you come across, d do you f feel that you're making the progress now? 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:40.960 It's funny, it's funny that you say that because if you like, I only feel like a a shadow of the positive person I was. 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:41.519 Of course. 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:47.039 And I've noticed you sitting commentating, I've noticed you living every ball. 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:52.319 And there's moments that, you know, you're you're you'll clap a the quick single and you're being in the moment. 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:53.680 I I'll be honest with you. 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.400 This is this is my therapy. 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:05.599 Yes, I put the head I put the headphones on and everything else that I might be worrying about it goes. 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.000 Because I am just concentrating on on what's going on in front of me. 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.720 Absolutely, and being being in that moment. 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:18.000 So um, you know, that is the power of of of being in the moment. 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:24.960 I've got a saying live in the f live in the future you're stressed, live in the past you're depressed. 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.400 Live in the moment, you're blessed. 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:34.480 So, you know, at times just being in the moment, you can change how how you're feeling. 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:40.400 You know, I I wake up most days and my first motion I sort of feel is a feeling of dread. 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:41.440 And it's awful. 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:42.319 I can relate to that. 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:53.440 And that's partly because in my dream that I've just had, I was in my thirties, um, still playing cricket and thinking, oh maybe I could get a contract at Derbyshire and just play as a batsman. 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.960 You know, I have these Yeah, but but and they're regular. 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.960 And then I wake and I go, I'm sixty-three. 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:12.079 You're not you're not thirty odd, you you know, and now you gotta try and snap out of you know, this this mood that gloom that you've woken up into. 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:20.960 So yeah, it's um Yeah, it's it's harder now than you know, for me than when I played cricket. 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:30.319 Um, or when I coached, or when I felt I had a a sort of purpose or a love that I was and a passion that I was passing on. 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:37.599 Um so uh yeah, it's it's uh it's a work in progress. 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:58.880 Um I'm gonna try and get back to the Midlands um to live for a w for a while, and I'm I'm gonna try and at least save enough money to to actually go and live in Queenstown in New Zealand where I have a membership of a golf club. 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:09.279 Because if I could end up my days end my days in Queenstown playing golf every day, probably hobbling around to do it, but there's a gym there and there's a pool. 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:18.240 You know, if I can just save enough to get myself even a camper van to live in, you know, that's something I have to think about and project as a possibility. 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:37.920 Um because that was probably the happiest I ever was, was, you know, with m my wife at the time, but with my kids, very young, in Queenstown, in New Zealand, with amazing scenery that was just breathtaking and made you feel very grounded and in touch with the the earth world. 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:39.599 And I love golf. 00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:40.160 Yeah. 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:57.519 Um Yeah, so I so I actually bought life membership of a golf course in a country where I thought, well, I don't might end up living in New Zealand, but I bought life membership 20 odd years ago and you know, it's beckoning me to to try and try and get back there. 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:05.440 So whether I get there and I j and I drive an Uber or maybe do a little bit of coaching at Queenstown Cricket Club, which I've done before. 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.000 Um but that's my goal now. 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:14.480 And if I have to remain in in England for another couple of years to be able to build up the funds. 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:20.799 To build up the funds, um you know, that's my uh that's my current situation. 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:23.200 Well look, that's a great aim to have. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.799 As I say, it has been so good to see you over the last three days. 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:34.480 Um and keep doing what you're doing, keep living in the moment. 00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:43.279 As I said to you to me, and having had you here for three days, the positivity has rubbed off on me as well. 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.240 Um but it's just been an absolute joy. 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:47.440 It's been an absolute joy. 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.039 It's been a pleasure working with you. 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.000 And just keep going. 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:50.880 We'll do. 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:56.480 Introducing Newbury Kit Studio, where you create your own heritage. 00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:03.920 Design bespoke teamware for any club, school, or team with thousands of custom combinations at your fingertips. 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:11.519 Whether you're building a full custom look or choosing from our core range to suit any budget, your team deserves the best. 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:23.440 And because Newbury has been crafting cricket equipment 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questions right, and they will win the Majorna bat. 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.319 But first of all, Churchy, what was last week's question? 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:18.480 Well, before I go on to what last week's question was, can I just say, and it is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful piece of willow, but genuinely what a bat this is an absolutely brilliant cricket bat. 00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.680 Had I used it, how to play for England. 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:23.920 A lot of people have been saying that right now. 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:25.839 That that that is the case. 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:30.799 Um that the bats that Newberry are making now are out of this world. 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.319 And it's not just the majorna. 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.759 Go on the Newbury website and look at all their bats because they are quality, absolute quality. 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.839 But this is this is everybody. 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:46.799 And I wonder what when you were saying we've been waiting and waiting and waiting for this day, I was beginning to think to myself, what have I missed out? 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:48.400 This sounds very exciting. 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:50.079 But it is, this is. 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:51.920 So this is for the major bat. 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:56.000 All of you that have got questions right, your name's gone in the hat. 00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.799 But first of all, last week's question. 00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:06.799 So it was who scored the most runs in the county championship last season, and that included Division II. 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.559 And the answer was safe Z, but nothing. 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:11.920 Great player. 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:13.519 Great player indeed. 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.119 So if you've got that name, right? 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.840 Your name is in the hat, of course, and now it is time. 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:18.639 It's the big one. 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.440 I'll be playing a drum roll, and we've got an exclusive here. 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.840 Our hat is one of the old Oval Invincibles bucket helmets. 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:26.800 So, Church, you have to. 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:29.119 I'll let everybody intersect you. 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:35.840 The only reason that we've got that is about 100 of them are left in the commentary box and I had to move them out because I couldn't see them out the window. 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.320 So we've we've we've we've borrowed one of those. 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:40.880 Well, Church, if you can be honest, thank you. 00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:42.000 I'm very honoured to do it. 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.039 It feels like the FA Cup list or a World Cup draw. 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:47.760 See which grouping can go into. 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:54.480 Right, so all the names, and well done to everybody who got questions right, because some of them have been very difficult, very, very difficult. 00:34:54.639 --> 00:35:07.440 So I'm just going to dip my hand in the opening principle's helmet and pull out a name, and the winner of the Majorna bat is James DuPlessy. 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.599 So, congratulations to James. 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:11.840 You have won the Majorna. 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:14.400 I am very, very jealous of you, James. 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:21.760 And I'll be honest with you if you don't score runs with that, you're never gonna score half any runs whatso. 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:22.800 Ever. 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.760 So, next week, and thank you to Newbury, of course. 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.639 Next week we'll have a new piece of cricketing equipment. 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:33.280 Thanks to our friends at Newbury Cricket, and from what I hear, that's pretty special as well. 00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:37.599 And our friends at Newbury have released an official Sunday service discount code. 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:48.480 You can now use the discount code SundayService15 and get 15% off goods at www.newberry.co.uk, excluding Bespoke Fast. 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:53.280 So why not treat yourself to some premium gear and quality widow? 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:58.559 Right, that is dumped for this episode of the Sunday service with Church and Vickers. 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:02.320 We will be back together next Sunday, the 19th of April. 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.639 So get that date in your download, Darry. 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.960 Don't forget, send us your answers to the quiz and what cricket sound is this? 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:18.880 And you can still get anything you want to off your chest cricketwise by emailing sundayservice.pod at yahoo.com or tweeting at Sundayservice22. 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:20.079 So thank you for listening. 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:25.679 If you've liked what you've heard, please rate and review it as it really helps others find the podcast. 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:31.519 Because as I say every week, we just want us all to be one big happy cricketing family. 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:34.159 Thank you to Dermot Ree for joining us today. 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.280 One of the best interviews I think I've ever done. 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:46.559 So thank you to Dermot, and of course, thank you to our friends at Newbury Cricket for all their support and that magnificent competition prize the Vajrauna bat. 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.639 Well done to James DuPlessy. 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:57.519 If you don't score any runs with it, my friend, give up because you should be, and it is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful piece of video. 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.079 Until next Sunday from the Kira Oval. 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.960 This has been a Hector Ficket and Hot Church production. 00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.519 Have a magnificent cricketing week, everybody. 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:11.360 And remember, go well in the next five weeks, fingers crossed, you could be playing a test match soon enough. 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:14.719 Very nice words for me. 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.039 Goodbye, everybody.