Sabbath Rest in a Chaotic World

Welcome back friends.

This week, we take on a topic that is tough for many people.  It is about taking what is called a Sabbath rest.  This is when we take one day a week, as God did when He created, to prepare for the next 6 days of work.  

Resting like God did helps us heal, be restored, and prepare us for the next week.  Take a listen as we talk about how we try to rest in our chaotic world today.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Well, welcome back to another episode of Two Pastors One Calling. It's a great blessing to be with you today. You know, our first two episodes, the first episode was all about what's a the day in the life of the pastor looks like. What does that look like? The second episode was more about relationships and how we grow those relationships within as being a pastor. You know, so we're we're so now we're actually moving into more of a personal um episode today because we're talking about something that can be actually quite difficult for pastors, people and people in ministry, even parents. When we start talking about, and that topic is this that topic is called your Sabbath rest. What's interesting, yeah, what's interesting is that Sabbath rest, it really is this is a topic that that I got challenged on a few years ago, and I must admit, I'm still bad at it. But um uh yeah, but we can talk more about that during our podcast, but it's a topic that I hopefully could be beneficial for many different people because we have to think about what really what does the Sabbath rest really mean? And why it is it really important? Because if God took one day out of creation to rest, why do we think we're above that?

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Yeah, that's right. And I was just thinking, too, I'm I I'm gonna you just have to guess. I don't know the real answer to this. But what percentage of people would you say are good at this?

SPEAKER_00 1:30

I know it's just your guess. My guess, I would probably say 35% of people.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Oh man, you're kinder than me. I was thinking maybe like 10%. And the reason I start thinking about that is because, like, obviously, we serve in America, and so we're gonna talk about the American culture. Does the American culture really value rest? Or do we basically say, whether you're in the church or not, man, we value doing more. Like, can my calendar get more stuff than your calendar? I don't know. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Oh no, I I agree with 100%. Our culture does not value rest whatsoever. Our culture values doing more. And really, it's doing more, asserting your independence. And really, the last thing it really is, is like as you said before, it's it's almost about comparing myself to someone else and making sure I'm better than the next person to me. So I think, yeah, I think you hit nail around the head where our culture does not do well with resting. And unfortunately, resting is at the very center of a lot of the gospel. Because what did Jesus tell us? Yeah, you labor and burden, come to you and come to me, and I will give you rest. That's right. You know, and I think that that this the the Sabbath rest that we need is really it's not it's it's about us, but it's also about the people we serve. Because the Sabbath rest gives us a way to recharge, gives us a way to renew and connect spiritually with our Lord because we need because he needs us to do that in order to serve the people he's calling us to serve. And as I started this, as I started the podcast, I said, I'm bad at this. Yeah, I'm really bad. And you know, and I can allow myself to go, I'm gonna, I'm gonna call myself out on this one. I can allow myself to go three, four weeks without having a full day of Sabbath rest.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Half day here, maybe half day that maybe a half day there. But the thing is, but it's so important. And I don't want to be a hypocrite on this on this podcast. And I'm gonna tell you straight up, I'm bad at it. And one day I told my assistant, please like mark out a half a day where I say Father Brian does nothing but rest. And she laughed at me. She said, You wouldn't follow it.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

That's funny. She calls you out. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

It's good to have friends that well, it was funny, and she wanted to be on this podcast. I said, No.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

That's right. That's right. Yeah, well, I'll I'm gonna start with a quick story about me. So this happened about 15 years ago. I haven't told Brian this story, so no one's hit heard it yet on this part. But uh so I wake up one morning with my wife slapping me in the face, yelling my name. Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris. Apparently, I had gotten up early that morning and was in the restroom and passed out, fell through the shower, pulled down the shower curtain, shower rod, fell in the tub, which clearly woke up my wife, which she came in and slapped me in the face. A few minutes later, I'm laying on the bed and there's paramedics hooking up wires to my chests, followed by a week of various doctor visits, as you can imagine, to ultimately find out at the end of that week, I had no illness. I was just exhausted. Wow. I was told, You have got to slow down because much like you just shared, it would be nothing for me at that time to go weeks without even taking a day off work.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

And I think similar to you, as the church begins to grow and the needs are there, um, I was not a lead pastor at the time, I was an associate pastor. And like many people who are listening right now in your job, it the harder you work, sometimes you're rewarded with more responsibility. And so instead of being over three things, yeah, I find myself over 10 things. And they're all 10 important, they involve people, it's real stuff. And I just thought my solution was work harder, not rest more. So, like, this is an interesting topic, I think, for both of us because I'm still learning it as well, with probably more failure than success. But it's just crazy that uh so I I want to start off by just even asking you like, what would you how would you define Sabbath rest?

SPEAKER_00 5:39

That's a great question. There's um the there's a book that came that I can't remember what year it came out, but it was a really good book called The Emotionally Healthy Pastor. I think I've heard of that. I haven't read okay, go ahead. Great book. Sorry, yeah, great book. And one of the things it talks about, it has a full chapter on a Sabbath rest. And what it c it says, Sabbath rest is 24 hours of no work. And you know, because a lot of times we think, okay, um, you know, it's it's uh the days from 8 a.m. till 10 p.m. and then that's it. But no, they he would say your Sabbath rest is 24 hours of no work, of doing things that you enjoy, a hobby, you know, you see, and and really it's about doing things that bring uh a goodness and a and a restfulness back to you. So even though they would uh he would even say, don't even think about like, well, I got my chores to do on my day off. They'd say no, because this is a day for you to rest, recharge, bring goodness, get your mind as far as possible away from the ministry. That's not a bad thing. Um, but that's what a Sabbath rest really is. And it's all based upon um how God created the world, where in essence, as we know, God created the world in six days, and on the seventh day, he rested. And one as I started the podcast, one of the questions that really comes out of that going, if God took one day to rest after working six, why do you think you're better than God? And I and that that that question hit me right square between the eyes because I didn't I never looked that way before. We talk about our days off. My day off is this day, my day off is that day. And uh, and then we can kind of trick ourselves into thinking that, well, it's my day off, but I have a funeral. I have a day off, but this person needs me. When when all when what we're doing though is we're now uh upsetting uh that cycle we need to get into of work and and and rest in prayer, work and rest in prayer, work and because your your your Sabbath day prepares you for the next six days. Not so much looking backwards, but it's like but it's to it's to to um uh prepare you for what's coming up the next week. And in doing so, that Sabbath rest is not meant for you to to say, well, this is my day to to just sleep all day long because I'm working so many hours behind me, but it's a way to to reconnect with God, find goodness of things you do, and just have a joy that reconnects your life with those things, and that prepares you for the next week. I love what you're saying there, and you said it twice.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

So I'm gonna say it a third time, right? And that is it's it's pre preparation. Because here's something that's interesting. Bible quiz for Father Brian. What day out of the seven days was man created?

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Fourth day.

unknown 8:42

Right?

SPEAKER_00 8:43

Fourth day.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

So on the sixth day, God created me. I'm sorry. Oh, that's okay. You scared me to death. No, I'm just kidding. So sixth day. So here's something that you just said in a different way, right? Yep. So man's first full day of existence then is what?

SPEAKER_00 9:01

Rest of God.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

The Sabbath. Right, yeah. Yeah. And that's exactly right. Like, what if we were created to work from a position of rest rather than rest from a position of exhaustion? Yes, which is what I do oftentimes. Oftentimes my Sabbath is a day of a recovery rather than a day of rhythmic, purposeful, intentional rest. You also use the word recharge, which I love that because recharging looks different for you and me. It does, right? Right. And like I would challenge both of us and anybody listening, like, what re what refuels you? What recharges you? Some people, it's reading. Some people, like I love hiking. I told you that before. Just going out in nature, walking. I go with my dog, we go for a walk, we've got these soccer fields, and just no purpose. I'm not even walking fast. It's not even exercise, it's just breathing fresh air or who, because I actually have some people in my life. Yeah, some are part of our church, some are not, and some are neighbors. And being with them refuels me, right? And like, so I purposely think through what refuels me, who refuels me. And that really helps me, like as a Sabbath. But that part you said, I just think is so powerful. It's about preparation, not just reactionary or like in my case, back in that story I told you, oh, sure, I had to rest when I beat myself down. That's not a Sabbath, that's like passing out. I don't know what you call that.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Well, you know, and it's also we talk about mental health today things too. And I'm not a professional. All I'm saying is is that when I'm the most exhausted, that's that's when the most stressed out. Those are the times where I I I feel the worst, I feel the most negative, and I and I feel like that I'm not doing anything in my ministry.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

And I think, and but but it's coming from that point of exhaustion and stress and not from a place of prayer and and and and and being recharged by God. You know, and so I think that that's that's the problem we can run into is that we it's it we we can operate out of the the the place of I have to work myself to exhaustion because that's what I think people expect out of me as a pastor. Yep. When if I ask someone on my pastoral council, they probably say, no, don't do that. Please don't do that. Yep. You know, they'll say, take care of yourself, please. But in my mind, what I hear is taking care of myself means is that is that, oh, I'll have a day off next week. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

I agree, I agree. So we talked about this last time a little bit, like our schedules vary, right? Like we you kind of think you know what's gonna happen next week, so do I. But we also know there's gonna be some unexpected state. So, with that being said, what do you feel about the idea? Does the Sabbath rest, especially for you, does it have to be the same day, same time, same block every week? Tell us a little bit about that in light of your role in the church. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

I mean, I to me, I I think it needs to be on the same day. Okay. For two reasons. One, it's an expectation of my schedule for staff and for prisoners. Ah, good. So so they know exactly what what day my my Sabbath day rest is. So I'm it's not moving around throughout the week. Number one. Number two, I think for myself, for my own pattern of life and rule of life, it needs to be the same day. Because if it's not, then my rule of life gets gets gets uh mixed up too. And so I think then um, because mine, my rule of life, uh, my Sabbath day rest is on Fridays. So is mine. Yeah. That's wow. You know, and so um here's the caveat is that um unfortunately, every other, not unfortunately, just how the schedule is, every other week, that's the same day as our our school has their has their school mass. So every other week I have the school mass. So what that means is is that being 24 hours, when I have the school mass on a Friday morning, which means at 9 a.m. to like 9 40 or so, that means on Saturday morning, I don't start anything until 10 a.m. Which means that that my 24 hours begins at 10 and then it ends on 10 the next morning. And so um am I perfect at it every single week? No, I'm not. Um, but theoretically, that that's what it means. It means that once that's done, I know at 10 a.m., I'm on to something else. And that in I'm out of the office, I'm I'm plugging as best I can away from internet uh email, internet the best I can, all those type of things, and I'm on to something different. Uh what's funny? I remember um I sent an email uh because I I we had something coming on a Monday or Tuesday, and I sent an email to someone on staff, and she emailed back going, Hey, I'm sorry, I'm I'm I'm out of the office today. I'm like, Oh, I'm so sorry, didn't mean to bother you out of the office. And she wrote back going, You're supposed to be out too exclamation points. That's great. I wrote back, fair enough. That's great. But that's you know, but that's the accountability things that us priests need to have. Yeah, because we don't have someone at home. We I don't have a spouse, I don't have kids that will that will keep me online with those things. So I rely on those people around me to help me do that. Now I think you can speak to it differently too.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I shared this with you offline that like one of the blessings of that you do have as a pastor that's married is your spouse, they feel when you're working. And I shared this before we started the podcast that one day I came home, this was years ago, because I've gotten better, and my wife had written on our we have a little dry erase board as you come into our house, and she'd written the number 56. And I said, What is that? And she said, That's how many hours you worked this week. And I said, I didn't work no 56 hours. Like, that's that's a lot of hours, you know. And I know realize some people work more hours than that. But I was like, you know, with a father of two young kids, she was feeling that. And she said, No, you did. And I think, and we've addressed this before, sometimes, um, because we enjoy what we do, we love people, it doesn't feel like work. But when you have somebody at home that's thinking, I've made dinner, and dinner is at six o'clock, they feel it when you're not in the room, and your kids especially. And the younger they are, man, you want to cherish those times you get to put them to bed. And you want that to include prayers, uh, even reading scripture together, playing together, all these kind of things. And if you're not careful, uh, you won't have this built-in rhythm of your life uh that is rest. And so a Sabbath for us, we actually as a family, we ended up homeschooling. So that gave us flexibility. So that's how Friday became one of my Sabbaths, because I acknowledge most of my friends, most of my neighbors are at work on Friday. So Friday for us is genuinely a time that can slow down. It's not really till after five, till it feels like everybody gets home and starts. So I can be resting in the middle of Friday. I've gone to movies on in the middle of the day on Friday. I've relaxed, just it's uh, it's just it's not as rushed because again, most people listen to the podcast, you're at work. So it allows a real good Sabbath rest. And Sunday doesn't feel like a day of rest for me, although there are many people in our church. It is a genuine Sabbath day for them. They don't work and they do come and have time of corporate worship, but they you can even just tell in their demeanor they're more relaxed. Whereas, man, my adrenaline similar to yours is pumping. I feel like I'm at work, I need to be focused, and whether it's preaching or caring for people before and after service. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm exhausted at the end of a Sunday. It's not a Sabbath as far as a day of rest for me.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

No, you're right. And yeah, and and I think that's that's the issue, too, is that us as pastors, um, it's it's uh, you know, you know, gee, our Lord said, keep you know, 10 commandments say keep holy the Sabbath day. You know, and so and we do because we're we're we're ministering to the people of God, so we're keeping it holy in that regard, but which means another day we need to take that time and have someone you know take care of us. Yep, let's either the good Lord in prayer, or if we have a family or friends or whatever, you know, that they need to take care of us too. And there's so easy for us pastors to think that we take care of everybody else that we struggle with allowing people to take care of us. Yeah. Now I can say for myself, not about you. Yep. But yeah, so this is it's all Sabbath rest things.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

That's right. Yeah. So let me ask a question that's a little deeper. Yeah. So for both you and I, and even people that we might meet, like, what do you think is going on in our heart that makes us resistant to a Sabbath rest? Like, what do you think? Is there a lie that we're believing? Is there pressure we're putting on? Uh and again, it doesn't have to be just you if you're like, hey, I think some people, this is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

I think there's two things. Okay. Um, I think the first thing is is that uh there's a lie we tell ourselves that everybody needs me. Or I'm needed, or at least I'm needed. We're like, yes, we're needed, but we're not needed every single day. Or at least in that regard. Yeah. So I think that we we can we can make ourselves believe that we our level of need from other people is probably higher than what we think it is, which which then which then because most pastors are people who like to work with people and don't they don't like letting people down. So we have a tendency to to think about other people first. And you know, we the the lie is is the like a small part of it all, but then what it but that temptation actually plays on our our desire for for goodness of people. We're like, so like you know, if you go back to um, you know, like the the the Adam and Eve in the garden, the lie played against Adam and Eve, against each other.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

We're like the same thing for us as pastors, the lie plays against our understanding of of our of our goodness and our understanding of of you know our ministry, where God is we're we're going out to what God wants us to do, if that makes sense. It does. Yeah. Second thing is this. Um Saint Augustine of Hippo lived in the uh three like was it three how is it three forties three to four twenty-three, something like that. But he he wrote a book called The Confessions.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

And um, and he had in the first paragraph says this, Oh Lord, my heart is restless until it rests in you. And I think what the when you said that what's in our heart, our heart is not resting in God. And so there that's a spiritual comp uh uh component of it all, where like we you know, we too get caught up in the work and the the struggle and the things that affect us, and you know, and that lack of the the the finding of that rest that we need affects us down the that day and down the road. So um that that that one phrase, oh Lord, my heart is restless until it rests in you, means that if we're not allowing ourselves to rest in God, then we're not allowing ourselves to rest in general. And I think those are the two things right there is that one's that that that temptation to a good thing, a good a goodness we see in ministry. It's why we do what we do, but the temptation goes beyond what it is. And the second thing is that spiritual component of our heart not truly resting in God yet.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

That's really good. That's really good. It's funny because it when you think about it, it really is a discipline. Like you have to be disciplined to be able to do it. Um, one of my verses that I kind of quote in my own mind is is Psalm 46, 10. It says, Be still and know that I'm God. I'll be exalted among the nations, I'll be exalted in all the world or the earth. And I start to I start to kind of use that as a prayer. So be still. I have to say sort of what you just said. I have to say, I'm not God, and I'm not in control. And that's hard for me, because I think for me, part of the things that if I'm not careful, my heart will idolize is being in control, even though I know I know I'm not in control, my heart sometimes doesn't act that way. But the only way I can is just exactly what you said. Where if I know that he is God, because what's the opposite? You are God, you are in control. So I think Sabbath for me and for some people listening is really a step of faith. Yeah. Like, do you trust God is working when you are not? Yeah. And if you don't, then you won't stop working and you definitely won't start resting. That is so true. And so it's it's difficult. And and again, for our realm, a lot of the times people are calling, and uh unfortunately it's not always things are going great. Sometimes people do call and celebrate with us, but a lot of times it's like something's bad happening right now, physically, emotionally, relationally, whatever it is. Yeah, and they're in a state of emergency. And uh, as we shared, like your parishes are large, so you have a large number of people, only five percent of those that regularly attend. Are in crisis, that is a lot of people. And so, you know, it's like there's not even enough hours to cover that already, you know. And so I think sometimes it's having that pressure. Will God take care of his people without Father Brian, without Pastor Chris? You know, and the answer is yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Yeah, I tell you, it's it's that's that humility part. You know, and I I love how you put it about um that trusting God and saying that, you know, do we really trust God to work? And I tell you, it again, this was one of those questions where you have to ask yourself and say, am I really trusting him? And you know, and I yeah, and I think yes, we trust God. But there's the the problem is that we get in those moments too of I must do this or I I need to do this, or I'm the only one that can do this. And we and we forget that there are other people out there. My my uh speech director reminded me very, very recently, where she she said, because remember, you can't be the priest you want to be if you're not living. And it was it's true, and it boils down to is that she's reminding me too that that yeah, uh tomorrow the sun will rise, tomorrow you know the God will take care of it, there are other people out there, and it'll be okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

You know, and and that's that last part, that's the one that I struggle with the most. Yeah. It's like it's like, you know, it's it's not fear of missing out, it's none of those type of things, but it's you know, am I really fulfilling my ministry? And that's that part you struggle with, yeah. Of like, you know, if of of like, am I you know, if if if there's a funeral that happens, and all of a sudden, well, I was supposed to do that funeral, why am I doing that funeral? Or or like, wait a minute, I thought I was up for that funeral, and then but then you get caught up in the those human things and forget about there's someone who took care of the family, someone is ministering to them, and God bless them for doing that.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Yeah, that's right. That's right. So at the beginning of this podcast, this episode, I asked you, I said, Hey, what percentage? And you're very kind. You said, I think 35% are getting arrested. So awesome. Praise God. I want to ask you to share with us for the 65% of us that struggle with this, but let's say somebody's listening right now and they're like, hey, you don't have to convince me. I I think it's valuable, but what should I do? Like, where do I start? Like, let's just talk to people that say, Hey, I think this is important. Yeah, I'm not doing it, but I want to do it. What give us some practical like things that come to your mind that you're like, hey, what if you did this? Like, here's a couple things that you would say.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

First thing I'm gonna say this is like be practical. Okay, find the day that works for you. Okay, that's number one. And when I say we be practical, you have to understand everything that affects. If you if you know, if if you have a family, you have to understand how this affects your family. You can't just say I'm taking Thursdays, even though that's a day for sports, and you know, but um one is find the day that works for you in the context of your obligations. Yep. And I'm gonna interrupt you.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Please do, yeah. Because you said you did something earlier, yeah, you actually put it on your calendar. I did. And you got made fun of. But because they said you weren't following your calendar. Anyway, that's a whole different episode. Yeah. But that's really good. You heard him say just pick the day. But like, what if it was on your calendar blocked off, just like you would block off a doctor appointment, work, or whatever, and it's like anyone who knows you or you at least see on your calendar, I think that's powerful.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

And actually, if you go to my calendar today, every Friday it says Sabbath rest. That's awesome. It's every Friday. And it's on there, it's on there.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

So you know if you choose to add something that shouldn't be added, at least you know this is what I'm sacrificing. I'm making some kind of choice. Correct. Yeah. For whatever reason, it could be family or something else, but at least, yeah, yeah, that's powerful. Sorry to interrupt. No, please don't. But I just want to say block it off on your calendar, do what Brian's saying.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Like, yeah, that's number one. Number two, you can't uh is is plan it out. Okay. That's part of the part of the scheduling, too. Because if you're you need to plan it out because, like everything else, if you're used to having a planned out day, then all of a sudden you have a day that's not planned. All you're gonna do is lounge.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

That's really good.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

Or or you could or you're gonna, you know, watch Netflix or YouTube all day long, you know? And that's not really resting either. Um, so I think you need to to take time and say, I'm gonna read this much, I'll I'll let myself watch a movie, TV show, whatever it is, and I'm gonna do something uh active, whatever it might be. So you're still planning out your day, or I'm gonna go visit this person, visit a family member, visit mom and dad. You got to do all these things to make sure your day becomes uh not so much another just planned, like like forced fun day, but a day really just actually doing things that bring you joy and rest and recharge you. That's why it's there. And so I think those are the first two things there. It's all about scheduling, all about planning. And then once that happens and you get into the head of it all, then it turns into the normal thing you do. Yep. It's about yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

That's awesome. Yeah. One thing I had a couple years ago, um, it was in 2022, actually, I had what we call in the ministry world like a sabbatical. And it's where the elders of our church said, Hey, this is an intentional time that we don't want you coming into the office, that you're not scheduled to preach. And I never had one of those. And one of them was learning how to rest. And so I built in this discipline that I actually do every day. Like when I sit down for prayer and study of God's word, there is a time, and it's not super long, but I just sit still. And that's hard for me. But it's like learning how it's like I I differentiated back then between resting and sleeping. Like sleeping is obvious, right? But resting is like being still. It's that that's the thing that resonates with me the most. And so it's just I slow down my breathing, I breathe in slow, I breathe out slow, and I try as hard as I can to clear my mind and not have an agenda for just this block of time. It's not a lot of time, but it like I think about a quality Sabbath for me includes an extended time of that. Correct. Does that make sense? Not 24 hours of that, but I'm saying there's at least some time, maybe an hour, where I'm just like sitting, or sometimes I will lay on my bed, and I'm just like, I'm not sleeping. I'm just like, and I say to myself, honestly, I say, I'm resting. God, I'm resting in you. I'm just resting. And I slow down my cadence and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

It's it's almost like a mini retreat. Where like are and that's one thing I forgot to say, think of bringing it up about how to start it, is that you know, uh, I should have said this too. Start in prayer.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Let God show you how to rest with him. I think that's it. I should have said that. Thank you for bringing it up. I should have said that, sorry. Um, because I think we also have to learn how God rests by learning from him. And I think and what you're talking about is really what helps us understand what it what it means is allowing God to show us his way and not it not doing our way saying that what to say with rest. Yeah. And it's it's it's it's that's the spiritual comp uh component of it all too. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Well, sort of like what Father Brian and I've done today, who do you have in your life that you maybe you could talk about rest? It's kind of a funny one because our culture, again, doesn't celebrate when you talk about, oh, I learned learning to rest. But you kind of had this, and you use this word a couple times too, this accountability. So whether it's a friend you have, somebody at church or work, but like what if you kind of talked with each other and said, Hey, could we could we both get better at helping one another learn how to rest? And what would that look like over the next month or so for you to try to learn, as Ryan and I are learning as well, how to rest in the Lord and enjoy uh living the rhythm that God created us to rhythm so or to live in. So we want to thank you so much for listening to this episode, and we really honestly are hoping and praying that you uh rest well and recover and build up strength and refueling every single week uh for what God is preparing you to do in your life. Uh, look forward to seeing you next time on Two Pastors One Calling. Thanks for joining us.