Bizzy Banks On Finding Peace, "Deeper Than Rap", The Best Drill Era, Sobriety, Edot Baby + More!

Brooklyn drill standout Bizzy Banks returns to The Frequency at On The Radar for one of his most honest conversations yet. Bizzy opens up about finding peace, embracing sobriety, and the personal growth that inspired his new project, Deeper Than Rap. He also reflects on what he believes was the greatest era of drill music in New York was, shares memories of Edot Baby and how he shaped the uptown drill movement, and speaks on the evolution of New York rap, life beyond the streets, and where his career is headed next. This is a candid look at one of drill's most respected voices as he enters a new chapter.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Yes, sir, baby. On the radar radio. Well, the frequency at on the radar radio. Special guest in the building. Long time, very long time friend of the show. Mr. Busy Banks himself. What's up, bro? Yo, good money, Mr. Word. How we feeling? Feeling good. Healthy. You better be 28. Do you feel like the get money thing is still like a Nahell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

You still gotta do it? Yeah. Save it for a reason. That's that's what I'm about. Nah, you're right.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

I just feel like, not saying you have to at all, but like I feel like once like you get to like almost 30 and me turning 30 in two months. Um, I feel like it's just kind of like some of the things that you said when you were younger, you're like, I don't know if I should be saying this. You know what's crazy?

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Cause I started fake saying on certain songs, it's not oh yeah, but I started saying like niggas know what I get, niggas know what I take. Like, I feel like I fake probably did get tired of saying get money so much. Yeah, but it's like that's that's just me, so it just kind of sticks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

But we we were like talking a little bit before this, like, because I was like, we were talking about like peace, right? And and like I was talking about how like I kind of like my peace now. Like, I don't always be here, I be home chilling with my family, outside, whatever. Um, and you were kind of talking, and we were kind of like going a little bit back and forth, but you said that you feel like your peace be slowing you down sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Yeah, yeah. Cause it's like I be trying to, I don't be trying. I be so low-key and just focused on what I got going on in life that like I just feel like that's why like musically everything is like you feel me? Like, where is that for me right now? Right. Because it's like I feel like the era I grew up in, like the pages that got the control of that is more so focused on the younger generation that's like crashing out and doing all that stuff. So I feel like because I don't want to crash out or argue or start new situations, like me just trying to like, you know, protect my peace, I feel like that's kind of slowed me down. But I also feel like those pages don't really hold the same weight that they used to. Nah, not really. But it's all about promotion and just being that in the algorithm. So it's like they don't dictate what I got going on, but it's about being seen. Like, you know.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

But I think I think you could be seen by, I'll use like, you know, since we're talking like kind of like New York, like I'll use like someone like Fergie Baby, for example. You know, Fergie Baby's just been doing incredible things with like uh Harlem River Drive or um or uh with Cameron or a good day to be in Harlem. I think, and I think like he was always somebody who would like have problems with like the blog pages never posting him and shit, and he just never really cared. So he just kind of always his own thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

I don't I don't really I don't really care because it's like it's been like this for like probably like three years now, two years now. It's like like what New York City sounds like, official talk of the streets, like there's certain pages that uh post like random stuff if they catch it, you know what I'm saying? But it's like I'm still doing 300k, 400k views, so it's like I don't really need that. I was just saying like it was just more so like I feel like because I'm chasing peace instead of attention, that's what's like, yeah, that's really what I mean. I really the page post me a post me. I feel like I don't know, I feel like I'm me, so it's like right.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

But you have been like, especially these last two years, you have been like really low key with your shit too, you know what I'm saying? Like the music has still been coming out, obviously, but I feel like after you left Atlantic, which we'll get to that, like which it was almost like two years ago now, right? Just about like you really kind of like started chasing that piece. So, what is like chasing peace look like for for busy banks? Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

I just I don't really post a lot. I really don't post a lot. I just feel like I don't know. It's like I like I like that I'm a rapper and I can make money off the music because clearly that's always what I wanted to do. But it's more so like I don't really like attention. Like some people rapper. Exactly. But I'm like fake anti-social in a way, so it's like I don't know. It's like I I I like the support, I like the love. For me, when I go outside and people notice me, it's like, yeah, I like it, but it's like I don't know, I just be seeing everybody business out there. Like, yeah, there's like so much going on that I just be trying to stay out the way, like so. It's like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

No, I understand that I feel like I'm the same way. Like I feel like these last couple years too, I've kind of recluded more into like, well, now that I'm doing the podcast, again I'll I have to kind of be back outside a little bit, or I have to be outside and do like parties and shit. But I feel like for the most part, these last couple years, I've been trying to like just stay, like, not inside, but just kind of But to yourself, but to myself, yeah. Like, if you see me outside, you see me outside, but like I'm not going outside and posting like every single little thing that I do. Like, I'm not trying to be noticed outside. Yeah, like I think last night I was at Julan for like a birthday dinner for my homegirl, and like I left the spot, and me and my me and my homies we get in the car. I'm about to drive them to the whip, and like these little these little homies on the side, like I think they realized who we were, and I had to, you know, do the dash away and shit. But it wasn't but like I'm not trying to be outside and get noticed. Like, actually, I like I don't know. I don't know how you feel about getting noticed when you're outside, but I like for me sometimes like it'd be cool, but then sometimes it's like it's generally like annoying. Yeah, it'd be cool. It depends on it depends on what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

That part, yeah. I was doing karaoke probably like last week or two weeks. You was doing karaoke, yeah. I did karaoke. I like that for you. A couple of my homegirls and my bros for me. And like, you know, people in the next room noticed me, and it was more like it was their birthday, so a couple of the females over there came over in our room or whatever, and yeah, for me. So it like sounds like that cool when you're having fun, but like I don't know. If I'm outside, I don't know, depending if I'm with my kid or I'm with somebody I talk to, it's more so like stay out the way, like for me. Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

I can imagine that like obviously being with the kid gotta be like the worst time to get noticed, you know. Yeah. Because you like, look, I'm with my with my daughter, right? You got the daughter, so it's like, why would I I don't want nobody coming up to me when I'm with my kid, you feel me?

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Yeah, the other day, I took her to the um aquarium. Yeah, the one in Coney Island. I took her to the aquarium over there. And uh one of the workers, it was a female though, she she pulled up on me, and at first she was just like, I'm bungling, you busy bench. I'm like, yeah. And then she left. My bad. And then she came back. When she came back, she asked for a picture. So at first, like when she first came and asked, if I'm busy being, my daughter ain't really noticed because she was like eating her food, looking at her iPad and stuff. Yeah. When she came back for the picture, like my daughter, she knows because she like sees me on the TV sometimes. Like, she just know, you know, we teach her stuff. Yeah, yeah. So when she asked for the picture, she left, and my daughter was like, What's her problem? So that wait, that's what your daughter said, yeah, because like she came back for a picture, like she was excited. So I don't know, it'd be it'd be funny sometimes, but I really I don't be wanting. I mean, that's why I don't post her so much. I mean, if you know, you know, but I don't know. I'll be trying to keep her off my social media at least too.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

So I feel like I feel like that should be like if you are a parent who has been like well known at some point in your life, whether it be like an artist or a podcast or whatever, I think like you gotta keep your kid off social media, you know what I'm saying? Like, because you also don't want like your kid to grow up and then like everybody it'd be I mean I'm sure it's cool, like at some point kids will be like, oh, your dad was a rapper. Some of them might know your music, some of them might be fans, some of them be like, oh, your dad's busy banks, that's dope, but like you don't you kind of want them to be able to just like kind of live like a normal, especially after everything you've been through, from things you know that you've gone through and like your childhood to adulthood and getting locked up and shit. You kind of just want her to have like a normal life, you don't want to have to do the same type of things.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

I just I don't know. I'd just be trying to keep everybody out my business or what I got going on. For me, if you if you know, you know though. It's not like I'm hot. You know, I post on her birthdays, I post on certain days.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Feel me? She's about to graduate, so you know I'm gonna post her when she graduates.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Once you graduate, can I can I go?

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Yeah, that's crazy five years old. That's not so it's like yeah. I don't know. I'm just low-key. Just low-key. I don't like people knowing too much.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Like, but you told me, like, we were talking about like, you know, if we get approached by like artists outside and you got a couple phones, I got my one phone. But you like, you be like, when artists other like or up other artists approach you outside, like upcoming artists, I guess I would assume who like want to work with you or whatever, like which number do you be giving them? Because you got three phones, bro.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

No, yeah, I give them the number that's for them. I can't say which number it is.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

Well, no, I'm not gonna make you put out the number.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Nah, nah, nah, nah, of course. I'm just I just give them number that's for them. Like, I don't know. Like, after a while, like, you know what it was? Like, I used to people, not everybody, but some people would be like in a club in a lounge, they'll be around females, they want to show that they know me. They'll call me like three in the morning. You lying. Some people, my song would be playing, they'd be like, yo, they playing your song, and it's like, duh, nigga. Of course, they playing my song like not saying it on no cocky shit, but it's like seven years later, you still calling me telling me that you're playing my song, you feel what I'm saying? So yeah, it just I had to really get a phone that was like, all right, this phone is strictly for them. And then uh after like nine o'clock, this shit going off. Like if I'm laid up, if I'm outside partying, I don't want to be called about a song, I don't want to be called about a beat. So that's really what caused the separation of the phones.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Like, I respect that though.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Yeah, one phone is like family business. I mean, when they get when this phone ring is super duper important, or it's like somebody, you know, just checking on me. That's the phone I want to ring.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Whenever that's the phone that that is never on DD. Yeah, basically. Yeah, I respect that. So I respect that. You know, you want to be low-key, bro. But there's people out here posting your business. I seen the I seen the TikTok. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah. Like, like I said, I'm low, I'm not ducking nothing. Right. But you feel me?

SPEAKER_01 9:30

I seen Jody post a TikTok, and it was just so funny. I think it was something like, oh, how to keep a man or something. That was whatever the the capture was. And I'm like looking at just scrolling. I'm like, and I scroll back. I said, wait, time out. I scroll back. I said, yo, is that busy? And then the comment section is just yo, they was going crazy.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

They was like, they was like that, Mr. 3030. I was just showing Ruby that they they were singing every different song lyric. Like, like I said, I'm not, I just I'm I'm low-key. That's my that's my little man. Little man.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Did you make it delete or is it still up? Nah, that shit's still up. Okay. That's my song. We locked in. Cause it was moving because I gonna lie, because it was moving. I was like, I was like, damn. But that, but that gotta be like at least like the comment section got at least that gotta kinda be like a reassuring thing too. And I mean that in the sense of like um them dropping all the song names and the lyrics in there.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Like they was happy to see me. They like, oh, that's where that this way he's been at. They like let him know the Knicks just won the finals. Somebody said that for real? Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck they think? Where the fuck they think I'm at? So I ain't gonna let you know. They think he locked up in somebody's basement or something. Exactly. So, you know, shout out to her. That's uh fuck with her. A little shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Yeah, yeah. But I'm not but not to say that like you want more of that type of attention with the with the with the woman, but like when you see comments like that and you see people reacting to you like that, do you like want to be able to like go back and give like fans more of busy? Because like clearly you see things like that, and it's like, oh wow, like they really still there, they really still remember, they really still fuck with me.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

I mean, I mean I'm not forcing it. You feel me? Um I'll let her I'll let her do her thing. It I don't really let a lot of females.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

I'm not talking about her, yeah. I just mean like you in general, like like you see those comments and you be like, oh, like maybe I should be posting.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Nah, yeah, I do want to be consistent. You feel what I'm saying? As far as like, I'm I've been realizing it, but TikTok is really like a way for me to be able to promote myself way more. There's so much going on on Instagram, and Instagram don't guide it to where how TikTok, TikTok, like a random person that lives around the corner from you could be famous on TikTok right now. Fine and we wouldn't even know. But they making, they getting 100,000 views and they got 100,000 followers. People that got more followers than me. And I'm over here, I got damn near 200 million streams on Apple Music. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like shit like that made me realize, like, this is a way that I could really promote myself as Busy Binch. Like, other than just my music, it's like for the people who is looking for me that was in the comments saying, Oh, where he been, or this, that, and the third, this is where I could like show my personality at. This is where I could speak my opinion when it's time to speak. It's kind of like a virtual Twitter. And right, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Yeah, I gotta find I wrote it down somewhere, but you have said something. Oh, you're on TikTok saying you wake, you said, yo, is this just me, or like when you wake up, you just everything and everybody. Yeah, I don't like nobody when I wake up. Even if you start like a calm like 10 hours, too.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Nobody. Wow. I wake up that the only person that I could talk to as soon as I wake up is my daughter.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

I respect that. I wake up and we kind of like the same. She looks at me, I look at her. And then the daddy just happens like five minutes after looking at each other, and it's like, yeah, what you want to do? You you wanna go put this on? Alright, go ahead. Like, no conversation starts. Other than that, when I wake up, I need like 30 minutes to myself, an hour. Like for real.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

I respect that. But it's funny because like this is like this, well, I mean, it's not like the best video on your page, obviously, but like it's what like you see like how well the video did versus like even some of the music on the page, too. So like does that make you be like, oh, maybe I should also be giving people more of like my personality along with my music music too.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

If you really look on my TikTok, like I got a lot of old videos, I'm not as consistent as I was before it was rumors that it was supposed to shut down. But I was doing like hair vlogs. You were and them shits was doing going crazy on the views. I'm like, yo, what the fuck? Like, so little stuff like that. I stopped doing hair vlogs for a specific reason. You feel me? I'm fake going through something right now with my hair.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

But with your hair, what's wrong with your hair?

SPEAKER_00 13:27

Nah, I got alopecia. Oh, okay. So I'd be like stressing a lot. Like, I was really the pre like that's why I really like this this tape that I just did, deeper than rap. Like, like if you really listen to it without expectation of what you think of Busy Banks and his sound, and because a lot of people go into my tapes with that expectation of like GMT or volume one, same energy. They want to hear like beandemic, extra sturdy. But it's like I'm growing. So it's like, and I'm going through a lot, and it's like I don't really like we said, I'm not talking to people on Instagram, I'm not talking to people on TikTok. So it's kind of like, I mean, that's the first place I said it too. Like, I ain't even post about it.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

But it's just like little stuff, like, so it's like I feel like TikTok are making more like you know, sentimental. I got a lot of female fans too. So it's like if I'm not speaking to them, you know how females like to see the soft side of a nigga sometimes. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 14:16

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

So it's to answer your question, it's definitely stuff I want to do on TikTok. It's just like I really ain't come around to it. Like, I'm now being happy. You feel what I'm saying? Like, it's I I ain't been happy in so long. So it's like that's another thing, too. I be trying to save my happiness and share it with myself. Cause I feel like once you start giving them too happy, it's like that's just me though.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Right. You if if I could double back on the alopecia thing real quick. For those who don't know what alopecia is, what is alopecia?

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Um, it's different types of alopecia. So I got um alopecia ariata. Okay. So it's kind of like your immune system is attacking your hair follicles or for like just stressing. So like me, I don't believe vent to nobody. Like everything is just you hold internally. Yeah. Gotcha. And that basically what just causes you to like lose hair? Yeah. Gotcha. So like little patches. So, no, I've been I've been treating it. Um Shodi, I'm fucking with, she's been helping me. Yeah, I've just been chilling, bro. Right. Word. I just finding my peace, finding my happiness. Like, show me that shit.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

I feel like if you share this more with people online, there's probably a lot of like one.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

It's a lot of people who definitely go through it. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

A lot of males too. Right. Um it affects women too, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

I feel like if you talk about this online, obviously when you're comfortable with it, I mean, now hopefully you'll be a little bit more comfortable now that you're talking about, but like, I feel like that would do not saying everything you gotta do everything for content, but if you did want to do it for content, yeah, people, I think people would fuck with it.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Yeah, because they they will understand it because my hair be looking crazy, and I know I don't know, I'm just me, so people some people might ignore it and be like, yeah, it's just busy. Yeah, you feel what I'm saying? But you know, but you also might find some help from it.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Like natural remedies and shit, you know?

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Yeah, yeah, that's what that's what I've been doing. I've been dealing with it for like a year now.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Okay, you know, so it's like I'm figuring it out step by step. But you said so, but you said this is the happiest that you've been in a while in a long time. Why is that like the happiest you've been?

SPEAKER_00 16:07

I've just been doing the things I like to do. I'm not I'm not in a toxic relationship. I'm not in a back and forth with a group of females. Like, I'm just, you feel me, like for once, I don't know, I'm just growing up. I like that. You feel me? So it's like the things I used to do talking to five, six, seven females and back and forth with my baby moms and just a whole bunch of stuff is like I just took a break from that. Like you feel me? Not even a break, like that's something I just stopped. Like, you stopped doing it, you grew up. Yeah, shit corny. Shit corny. Um, but I really had to find myself. So that's the NC, that's why I'm happy for real. Like, I just been finding myself. I feel like I've been trying to make everybody else happy. And now I'm just like focused on me.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

You learn how to say no to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

Well, except you don't know.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Treat people how people treat me. You feel what I'm saying? Like, nobody don't really check on me. Everybody thinks I'm good. Like, oh nah, he's good. He got money. Oh nah, he good. That's he's gonna find a way. Like, so it's like I no.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

But I think that's the tough part about being in the positions that we're in. You know, everybody assumed, like, oh, you got money, millions of streams, things going on that people automatically think, oh no, he gotta be okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

And I'm not crying on Instagram. Yeah, I was going through my show with my label, I wasn't crying. I was just yeah, fuck it. I'm going through it with my label. You feel what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I'm finding ways to make sure I'm good. Feel me, and still try to make sure other people good. So it's like people don't really know a nigga going through something. But it's like I shouldn't, I shouldn't have to cry for help for people to be like, damn, let's check on. I'm busy. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Yeah, sure, I'm busy, make sure you're good.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Yeah, so it's like, I don't know. I just I really find myself though. I ain't gonna lie, like I really had to cut females off. Stop drugs. Feel me? Shout out to me. 90 days sober.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

90 days sober? Come on, man. You know what's so crazy? Uh you you checking him, Ruby? Supposedly. Well, what what did what did you quit? If we could, if can we talk about what you did? Yeah, if you listen to my music, you know. Okay, cool. So he so you quit. You know what's crazy? A couple days ago, I had Nino Payde here. Nino Paid is also, I believe, about 90 days ish sober by the time that we're recording this. So I it's and it's interesting because like with him, I saw how present he was in the moment. You know what I'm saying? Like I saw him.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

A lot of people, a lot of people don't know though. It's like you gotta listen, it's like if you listen to my music and you really pay attention, it's like you would know. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, but nah, I could share it though. I was no just perks, lean.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

That's that's about it. I don't smoke weed, none of that. But I had to like fall back from that. Like, that shit just should be clouding your memory. A lot of people won't know because I know how to move and I know how to articulate myself. I don't I don't make myself look crazy on camera.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Like, I don't know, I'm just me, like, not even trying to say it in a cocky way, but that's really what it is. Like, you wouldn't even know, like, oh, this is something you had a problem with. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 19:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

So for me, a little 90 days. I'm gonna keep going though. I'm not, I don't even think about that shit. Like, what was like the moment that you kicked it?

SPEAKER_01 19:10

Like, I feel like everybody has like a moment that they don't kick it.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

You know, I feel like I was chasing it because of females, honestly. It was just like I was just in a moment having fun. I was enjoying my life, enjoying my money, but I was also depressed. So it was like I was running to that, and then once I get that, I'm running to the females. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, it was more so like that. It was like once I start cutting females off, like right now, you can't be around me if you're not beneficial. You feel what I'm saying? Like, so it's like chilling me.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

I feel like we was meant to have this conversation today. But I was literally like, I was literally um I don't care if Shorty see this, but I was only on the phone with my man's before. I'm like, yo, there's someone that I really love and I really care about, but like I gotta cut her off because shit just not beneficial. It just feels like it's like it don't make sense. Like you ever had somebody that just, you know, like you had somebody just around you just to be around you, like a female that just wants to be around you, be around you.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

I used to you know what's crazy? I used to ask girls like I don't trick, I don't do none of that. You catch me, catch me if you can. I'm one of those, like you feel what I'm saying? Like, right. So it's like I used to have to ask certain females like, what the fuck you like about me? Like, because one, I'm super nonchalant, I don't show no emotions. I was so caught up in like a triangle of my baby mother to where it was like one foot in, one foot out. So it was like some days I'm talking to bitches and then I'm going a week, two weeks without talking to bitches. So it's like, don't you really like me for? Like, I don't do nothing for you. So what is it? What were they saying? It was oh, I just like you. You just like what? Hey, you feel what I'm saying? Talking but just saying nothing. So it's like now I'm just on some like, it's not even like you gotta have a reason to like me. It's just like, no, same shit females do with niggas. It's like, uh, if I gotta spend this on you or something, or if I gotta take care of whatever problems you got in your world, what you gonna do for me? So that's why I showed you who you seen posting, clearly. I keep saying shorty. She's gonna be mad. I keep calling her shorty. Yeah, she's gonna be pissed about it. She's gonna make another TikTok about this. Nah, it's really my little man. She be all right.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

My little man is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

But nah, sorry. She really um, she really be there for me mentally, like some peaceful shit, like real shit. Like, so it's like she calls, she calls you, she checks in on you.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

She checked in on me before we started. And it's not it's not like annoying, it's not nagging, it's like, but you know, we was really friends. But like we really got to learn each other. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

So it's just more so like she she she helping. You feel me? Like, yeah. So that's why like I never had nobody besides my baby mother post me. You feel what I'm saying? So that's why when she posts me, I don't even care about shit like that. Cause it's like you deserve that. You like you feel what I'm saying? Right. I ain't ducking it, but I'm not. You know, I'm still low-key. I'm still being myself. Right. But I fuck with that. I like that for you, bro. Nah, where I love that for me. That's why I be chilling. That's why I don't want to talk too much. I don't got time for these niggas out here.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Well, you were you, but you were so, but you had mentioned, like, when we were talking about like your mental health, we were talking, you mentioned like when you left the label, right? Mm-hmm. Um, which is almost, did we say it was almost two years now? Yeah, it's almost two years. So what was you know, what was going on through that time? Like, how did that label exit happen? Did you leave on your own terms? Did they let you go? Like, what was kind of like going on?

SPEAKER_00 22:34

It was like 50-50. Okay. So they Atlantic kind of was going through I don't even remember what they were. Restructuring. Yeah, they were restructuring. Perfect word. Thank you for that. Yep. They was restructuring. And I was just like in the middle of getting a new team. Like, you know, certain and I was getting fired. Some people was leaving. So I was just getting a new team, and then they really didn't know what to do. So they pinned me with like a distribution hitmaker, hitmaker distribution, I think.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Right, because Hitmaker's under AMG or something. Cause they got 300, got Sparta, then there's Hitmaker, but yeah, all under the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Yeah, so I was with them for a little bit. And then um, while they was trying to figure out what they was doing with their company, I was just like on the sideline, like, yo, bro, I'm trying to drop this, so I got a plan for this. And it just wasn't like we just came to an agreement. You know, I hit my lawyer, like, yo, bro, like, I'm trying to figure out what's going on. And my lawyer was like, yo, I'm gonna hit them. And everybody was just okay with it. For me, it wasn't like, oh, we need dog. Like, I was held for a minute, clearly.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

But once I realized, I had to realize like I was slowing up. You feel me? Once I realized I was slowing up, we just got on top of it. Me and Ruby, lawyer, and everything was good. Because like I finished GMTO Volume 2 when I came home. Like, Don't Start 3 was done in 2022. Right. I didn't drop GMTO Volume 2 until 2024. So that just shows you how long I've been held for real, for real. Like so that's really what it was. But it was fake like an agreement though. Like, you both was on the same, everybody was on the same page. Like you wanna leave? Right? Because like the way my contract set up too, like, I ain't my contract wasn't bad. It was like I really just had to do a tape in an album. You feel me? I ended up giving them three tapes. It was optional though. You feel me? So everything worked out in my favor. Like, they got the tapes they wanted, I got the money I wanted. Got locked up, came home. Right. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like it's certain things I wish I would have done on my own as far as like when I went on tour, which I I was doing, but like I said, I was so caught up into like when I went to jail, it wasn't no Philly dancing going on. TikTok wasn't that big, it wasn't no cash. You feel what I'm saying? So when I came home, I was like caught up in a new wave and I wasn't understanding, like, oh shit, I gotta get on top of my shit. I was used to being the biggest. You feel what I'm saying? Right, right. So not even saying it like I was cocky or nothing. No, it's just like it's a realization. Like everything. Yeah, I came home and showed love. Like I got right with Cash and Chow. I did a song with Jen Carter. Like I did what I was supposed to do on a come home. I just didn't know how much I had to fight for a spot. You feel me? I I want to say I thought I was more like solidified already, which I am as far as my name. I got a household name. But once the consistency started slowing, like once the music started slowing down, and like I said, I didn't realize I was being held and wasn't able to drop as consistent as I was. Yeah, that's when I started noticing, like, oh shit, it's competition. Like Chicago started coming back. Yeah, Philly changed from the not trying to diss them, but the hip dancing shit. I don't know what it's called. So from the hip dancing shit, they went to Kwani and Skrilla, and I got caught up in that, and then the world was opening, remember. I got lit during the pandemic. So when I came home, it's like everybody's communicating, networking, everybody making new friends. I kind of missed that loop. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So like I was known, but I wasn't when I came home, I wasn't able to be outside to rub shoulders how everybody else did. So four years ago, four years ago. Yeah, so once everybody rubbed shoulders, it was kind of like streaming took over crazy. It's so much shit that just happened once I came home that I wasn't mentally prepared for. Right. So that's that's really what it was. But like everybody, a lot of people still fuck with me. Feel me? Nah, people still do fuck with me. Come on, man. Especially in New York. Like it's just I just got a new sound. I'm being consistent. Everybody got their friend friends already. So it's like, you feel me? I really gotta go outside and do shit that is not really my personality. Right. No, I'm gonna go outside, I should say.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

I can't be running into y'all on the LES no more, like at like three in the morning. Nah, yeah. I'm not gonna say the spot because I'm tired of me walking into that fucking spot and running and seeing everybody know. Yo, boo Ruby know. Yeah, I saw you, and I yeah, we saw each other at the spot. You know what's my talking about too. I thought that used to be my my, you know? Yeah, yeah. And now I'd be like, I'll be going there and I'd be like, they'd be like, game? I'll be like, yo, bo, what? But I think like I think like with you, so wait, are you what do you distribute through now? Like just distrocare?

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Distrocare, yeah. I just hit up uh United Masters though, because a lot of my music gets pushed crazy on JPEG. So that's for like, you know, the people in the jail. Yeah. So people who don't know. Um, so I I was on Chat GPT and they were saying like United Masters could get my songs up there.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Also, Empire does that too.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Oh, what? Yeah, I didn't even know. So a lot of a lot of the people behind the wall be calling and saying, yo, bro, you didn't drop in two years. I'm like, bro, I've been dropping, y'all niggas just not getting it right now. So I'm about to start um dropping with United Masters. Okay, so you get that way you get yourself on JPEG. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna do half and half though, because you know, certain times it'd be songs that can't get cleared, and I might get away with it, so I throw it on Distro Kit. Yeah, you know, stuff like that. I'm about to get back heavy on SoundCloud too. I was looking at my SoundCloud the other day and I'm like, yo, I didn't even know my shit was still jumping.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Oh, it is?

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Yeah, hell yeah. So it's like a lot of unreleased on there? Um, not unreleased, but like like when Fisher came out, I did the remix. I did, I think I got like 70k views on that shit. I didn't really know that. Like, because I just dropped and I never looked at it again. And then I think my new tape got like some type of views on it. So I'm like, damn, like I'm still pulling numbers on SoundCloud. I might as well just come back to this. And then it's a lot of new artists on SoundCloud too that's buzzing. So like I'm like, damn, I didn't know SoundCloud was still like how it was from back in the days.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

It's actually, yeah, SoundCloud, like, like there was like a weird time from like 2019 to like maybe like 2024, where I feel like people weren't really like messing with SoundCloud like that. But like the new generation of kids, it's kind of like not trying to make the 2016 to 2026 jokes, but like it really feels like 2016 again. They really be on SoundCloud like that. Nah, there's people on SoundCloud going crazy. Yeah, they really be on SoundCloud like that. But when you left Atlantic, right? Did you like because you know you talked about like the things you were going through at the time, like how did that affect you like mentally? Because you said that like when you when you were like trying to talk about like the label and leaving and shit like that, like there was like you had things going on. Like and you were were you sad about it? Were you just kind of When I left, was I sad about it? Not sad, but like what were you like going through mentally at the time? Because you said that like it took a toll on you still leaving to some extent.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Um I just know I was supposed to get an ex bag. I like that's fair. I'm like, damn, bro. I'm trying to get that next little son they got for a nigga. Feel me? But um, I don't know, bro. It's just I like my team. Like, shout out to Shauna. Yeah, we love Shauna. Shout out Shauna, man. It's like I don't know. I just don't like leaving people. That's why that's how I be stuck with five, six bitches. Because I don't like leaving people, bro. That shit be hard. It's like I be knowing I gotta leave, but it's like I don't want to. Other than that bag, I got we just really meant to have this conversation today.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

I need to have that. I don't know. I feel like maybe we just like this, we we the same.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

So yeah, I feel you. Not for real, though. Other than that bag, I I don't really know. Only thing I miss about a Linux, which I still get help, so I'm all right, but like I really the team, like they making the clips for me, the reels, yeah, yeah, posting on Facebook, the digital marketing shit too.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Yeah, I gotta do all that by myself now. That shit is like crazy. Or you just get like I ain't gonna lie. What I think you need, obviously you need like somebody to do your social media. You just gotta get some kid who's a fan of you to do your social media. Nah, for sure. And then you gotta get like uh like you know how like child got like fifth av. You need you need to find your fifth av.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Yeah, so that's what that's what Hemric then needs to do when I'm scratching his head. I just I just realized that, well, a couple months ago, yo, but I was dropping songs. Like I was scheduled for it to drop on YouTube, and the video would drop, and then I be doing so much, I'd be like, oh shit, I gotta post on Instagram, and I'll be posting like two hours later. So I just realized I could schedule the post.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

So lately I've been scheduling the post, and that shit been like helping me a lot. You know you can schedule text messages too, right? Word? Yeah, I'll show you after. I got you. Nah, that's got that. I just I ain't even gonna say what I just felt that I could do.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Yeah, we'll talk about. What I'll be doing is I go, I can't say that. What I do what I be doing is though, like if uh if there's somebody who you know how we're talking about people who don't like texting us, I'll literally schedule a text to get sent to them in two days. Swear to God. I'll just be like, I want to talk to this person for two days. I'm gonna schedule the text and get go their phone in two days, and then we'll talk like whatever business and shit we gotta handle. Tough. That's a part of the stuff. I'm gonna show you how to do it, bro. When I found that out, I was like, this is changing my life.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Nah, yeah. Hell yeah, because it sometimes I'll be forgetting to even text people back. Right. And I'll be wanting to look like a dick because I'll be posting.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

But like, it's kind of crazy now, like, think about you know, you were talking about the blog pages earlier, and like you really came up at in like such a crazy time in like Brooklyn drill. And I feel like, like you said, you don't really like on these interviews you talk a lot because we know each other. Yeah, facts. But you're not like someone who talks a lot. But I think like now we're approaching like 10 years of that era, I guess, almost, right? Like 206 2016 was like kind of like when that era really first started, like yeah, yeah, going crazy.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Hell yeah. 2016 is when it started really falling in that place, yeah. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

What do you like, like kind of like looking back at it, like what do you feel like people like misunderstood about like that time and maybe like your your rise in that in that era? You said what do people like what do you what do you feel like fans or people online may have misunderstood about that time or like misunderstood about you and and your rise? I don't really think they misunderstood anything.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

I don't know. That's that's a tough question. I don't know. For me personally, I feel like I feel like people knew what I was over it when I came, when I when I really started buzzing. Like I feel like everybody seen the versatility, everybody saw the difference of how I make my music and certain songs. And I feel like a lot of people just I feel like out of a lot of people that came out the scene, like I'm the one who had like the biggest expectation. Like everybody was like just see me and was like, nah, he's super versatile, he's super nice. Right. Like this is one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

So I don't know. I don't feel like nobody really misunderstood anything.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Right. I feel okay, then like what is like, do you have a hot take about that, Tom? Um what you mean? Like a hot take? Like a hot take would be like, like, how would you define a hot take? A hot take would be like, oh, like if I said like let's say hypothetically, I was like, oh, this was like this is like an overrated thing. Like, like everybody like what's something that everybody likes. Everybody likes Chick-fil-A, right? My hot take would be like Chick-fil-A is trash. I don't actually think Chick-fil-A is trash, but my hot that would be my hot take. So is there like a hot take about like that time that you have? Or just like that drill error in in in like in general? I feel like that was the best drill error. Me personally. I don't know if that's a hot take.

SPEAKER_00 33:41

Well, I mean, I guess to some people it might be a hot take, but yeah, because a lot of people I feel like a lot of people will agree with me. Yeah, yeah. I feel like a lot of people gonna agree with me. Maybe that's not a hot take. That's just facts.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

I think it's facts too. Like, I think that for me too. Well, also because we're close in age, we're only two years apart. So, like, that era was my era still too. Yeah, you feel me? And I do I obviously I did enjoy that era more than like the Bronx show era, even though the Bronx show is what blew us up, which I was appreciative of, but like I was like, like the you, the pops, like that was always what I was like really bumping. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

The Bronx, like, I don't know, I'd be tired of talking about the Bronx because they be feeling like I'll be trying to shit on them. Bronx, Bronx did help. In a way, Bronx definitely helped in a way, but they they they fucked it up in a way too. How how how how would you feel like they fucked it up? Because like, because they had so much of a big impact when they started going crazy, they had such a big impact on New York that the people outside looking in thinks New York is the Bronx. So like Okay. For example, I just saw I just saw like a video going crazy on TikTok when a lady was talking about like, oh, why are they saying chopped cheese is a New York dish? Like, nah, we grew up eating bacon, egg, and cheese. It's like that's facts. But because Uptown started going crazy and they made a crazy impact after us to where it like got more mainstream more worldwide that everything they do when people think of New York, they think of screaming drill rap. They don't think of me and Tutu and everybody else from Brooklyn. You feel what I'm saying? Like, Brooklyn really was making real music, right? You feel what I'm saying? Like, everybody in Brooklyn is making real music.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Yeah, I I do feel like there was a time when obviously I saw you kind of going back and forth with with like people about it. I believe like years ago, maybe. I think there was a time I saw Tutu going back and forth with people about it too. The the Bronx versus the Brooklyn shit. But like obviously the Bronx shit wouldn't exist without the Brooklyn shit, you know. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

Like, but shout out to the Bronx. Bronx definitely helped. I don't I don't be wanting them to feel like I'm shining on them. They definitely helped for sure. I mean, I I helped them a lot too. Right. So I think every everything, like, I feel like in New York, people are too quick to be like I feel like people ignore that little timeline. Like, what when I was going crazy, like like I helped EDot. Feel me? Man, like Edot helped Uptown a lot. I feel like a lot of people don't give Eda his credit clearly because it's a lot of beefing and you know so much shit going on.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

He passed away so young too.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Yeah, EDOT EDOT helped uptown really get noticed for a lot. Yeah, feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 36:23

So shout out to them though. Yeah, man. Long live Eda. You know what's crazy? I was just like, well, one, the video popped, his old on the radar popped up on my feed the other day. And like I had watched it, and I was like, damn, man, like what a time that was. And then also I looked at like my last DMs with with him too. And like we were always showing each other love, you know what I'm saying? Like, we were talking a little shit in the DMs, but he like, because obviously he was like what was that, 25? He was like 18. But like he would always like he was always mad cool about shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, nah, for sure. Like he like you said, like he really, like he, you know, there was there was a lot of people that helped push that uptown shit, but Edo was definitely special. And also, I think the youngest.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

It's crazy because I could really break it down. I could, I could start, I could start controversy right now. We don't gotta do that. Nah, real shit. Cause me helping Edot, right? Yeah. Brings Edot around people he's not supposed to be, because Edo was at my party for my uh music video for being demic. Okay. Being Demic is a sample, by the way. Cause a lot of yo, this is this is the thing, right? A lot of people makes it seem like sample drill started. A lot of people give Shawnee his credit. Feel me? But a lot of people make it seem like sample drill started when the Bronx started going crazy. Like they count B Love's.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

By the way, A behind the real quick, not to interrupt you. A behind the behind the the box right here, he from the Bronx, so he's gonna corroborate any of this shit. Look, he's 23, so he's he's the best.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

But they say, they say B Love, they like a lot of people try to argue that B Love started with the sample drill. Pandemic came out in 2020. Right. That's a sample. Junior Reed One Blood. Yeah. Which is feeling now for that video. I bring Edot there. RPT people was there. We from Brooklyn, so we don't know they have beef. Them being together when they shouldn't be together, they end up going on live, and that's what started K Flock when he dissed Edot. So Edo didn't, if we didn't be around Edo and then bring Edot around these people, that K Flock diss the E Dot would have never happened, and K Flock would have never started getting the buzz he got.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

That was that, do you think that was that the moment that K really started? Yes. Going up was that was that Edo diss? The biggest song. Yeah. Well, I mean that, but like but obviously that song, but also at that moment, like that song wasn't, you know. No, yes, it was. Was that? Oh, was that okay? What's the busy got busy got the timeline? So he got this? Yeah, when he first started this in EDOT. Is you ready, right? Is you ready? Is you ready? No, but I'm just I'm just asking that but the IG live that he's talking about, they that song wasn't done yet, obviously. It just started. Nah, but the beef started though. But the beef started though, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

They was linked. Yeah, the beef started because of Edot being with us around those people. Right. That would have never happened. Right. That would have never made the That's how people started seeing the storyline of Uptown.

unknown 39:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

Far as drill. I don't want to wear the wrong niggas start attacking me. Niggas gonna attack me regardless. But you feel what I'm saying? Like, before it was just Edot and Edot sounded like busy. That that's how Edo started getting his buzz. People can say whatever they want, that's facts. You feel what I'm saying? EDot and Shae K was a thing. E Dot and D thing, I think it was Eda and D-Thing making this song to each other or Shay K and D-Thing. I don't know that much. Maybe just all the way around at that point.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 39:45

Yeah. But once live started happening and breakups started happening, everybody started picking their own side in the Bronx and we jacking it, they probably been jacking whatever K that'd been going on since I was a kid. You feel what I'm saying? As far as Raji or Owen and all that shit. Right. But for them to get a storyline, if that night never happened, and if we didn't fuck with Eda, it would have none of that would happen. And then that eventually is what led the blogs to blow up and all that. So yeah. The people with a brain gonna jack it. The people without a brain are gonna say whatever. Facts is facts, though.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

I mean, it is what it is, what it is. I mean, I'm you know, you know this better than me, but if people want to fact check it, they could they can go and fact check it. You know what I'm saying? I know I know Ruby.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Samples, samples for drill have been going on. I could say Chicago samples. Absolutely. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 40:30

But for I feel like in prom Brooklyn Joe, there were still samples. No, that's just what I'm saying. Yeah, in Prime Brooklyn Joe, besides like I obviously besides.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Wasn't Deep End was sleepy a sample? Yeah, that's a sample. Go off the deep. Exactly. It's like this, like, yeah. Brooklyn Ben, like, it's just like it's so much shit people ignore. And it's like, I get it. I want to give niggas, I want to give certain niggas credit and make whatever. But it's like you niggas be running from the facts. I be I be staying away from speaking on it because then niggas look at it like, well, this nigga hate and this nigga always. But it's gonna be a lot of people in the back, like, yo, he dead right, we forgot about that.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

But I never listened to the internet anyway. It's like I feel like in real life, people know what it really is. The internet is just an echo chamber of like everybody's thoughts and opinions. For sure. But that's why that aren't even valid now.

SPEAKER_00 41:13

That's why I stay quiet, though. Yeah, but times like this when it's like like, why not say something real quick?

SPEAKER_01 41:18

Yeah, I mean, like, look, that was six years ago now. It's the past, it's actually New York history now. It is what it is, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, of course, always rest in peace, Edut, but um, but yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

Nah, nah, rest in peace, EDO. I feel like his name should definitely be stamped when it comes to speaking about Uptown.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

Do you remember the last combo you had with Edot? Last combo I had with E Dot when I came home, he welcomed me home. He told me, he said something like, Oh, niggas don't love me no more, something like that. We gotta link up. That's what he said to you? Yeah. He was talking about how you don't love him no more. He said like in general. Yeah, he was he was like, he was he was trolling though. He wasn't of course. Edot really, E Dot really baby boy. That's why when his situation happened, I had to say all Peter him. You feel what I'm saying? Cause it didn't happen on no gun violence with niggas outside. There wasn't no street beef the reason why he passed. So it was like when I took, I took Eda, I'm the first person to take Edot out of New York, I took him to California. Oh, really? Yeah, like before he even me and Eda recorded our songs together in California. We recorded it in Ruby Studio too. But I took him to California. Like I spoke to his mom. His mom was like, that's really my son. I just want y'all to watch him. Like, I took him. E'dot really, baby, bro. You feel what I'm saying? It just he let certain people get in his head. We was fucking with certain niggas, and he don't fuck with them. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like he didn't, he was young. I met Eda when he was like 13, 12. You feel what I'm saying? So in his head, all he knows is what his means is telling him. You feel what I'm saying? But Eda know he was locked in.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

He never got he never got to grow and really like understand the things that you know you're so lucky to now understand that we were talking about at the beginning of this interview and how like, you know, not everybody's your friend, the piece is more important, like shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

That's how true it is. Last thing we said to each other, he said, What you been up to, gang mission niggas? I said, You cabin. I said I'm outside on the move right now. He said, I say that gang be safe. He said, next session or son, let me know I'm a slide. I said, Got you, you too. Last time I spoke to him.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

All right, that's baby, that's baby boy though. A lot of niggas be trying to oh, I'm I'm like in a different I'm older than them, bro. So all the little shit they be saying in comments, I don't really pay that shit no mind. I'm I'm more like when I see them, it is what it is. You feel what I'm saying? But like I done saw D Dot and um and fucking um a Pele Pele event, I think like 2023.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:45

They went their way, I went my way. It's not no, you feel what I'm saying? My my older brother chilled with Bloody Father. Like they was in jail together. Like his father used to come out crab, like. So it's like me and Bloody don't speak.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

You feel what I'm saying? But it's like a lot of I think what a lot of it is is just like, you know, I think it's the main thing that we always talk about with like the New York politics, where it's like, it's not at the I mean, should be deeper than than than rap sometimes. Maybe the comment section. But also the comment section just be influencing people's minds too much.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

Maybe they be making everybody think like, oh, he can't fuck with them or how he with them and he he be with these niggas. I'm me. I'm a grown-ass man. Fucking me. How could I be with them niggas and be with them niggas?

SPEAKER_01 44:23

I mean, it's the same way that a lot of grown-ass men who like you know, you see stories all the time of grown-ass men who used to have beef with each other and they just piece it up because they like yo, like, what are we even doing this one anymore?

SPEAKER_00 44:33

Because that shit is is my problem. You said you said up there, no, that shit is my problem. I still, yo, but I still don't understand half the shit that's going on.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

I don't think I think any of us do. And that's kind of that's kind of like the point about it. But I feel like I feel like, like you kind of said, like, you were there at the very beginning, right? And you helped set like a lot of trends and things too, right? Like, what do you feel like as as a as a trendsetter in the towns, what do you feel like is one thing that also like you feel like rappers nowadays out here need to stop doing? Don't giggle like that, because I know you're about to say some shit. Stop dick riding. Stop dick riding? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Well, like what alright, all right.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

So you say that, but you gotta be a little bit more expressive about that.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Niggas just gotta be a lot of niggas wanna say they real niggas and they stand-up niggas. And then when it comes to like speaking and giving their flowers, niggas don't do it because of certain things. You feel what I'm saying? Like, me and AR ain't best friends. Anytime somebody asked me about 26 AR, something cool, sound fly, he's nice. When it comes to asking if he could fuck with me and rapping, I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say that to anybody though. Right. Fuck cool with it. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 45:39

But it's like But I think that's the mentality you're supposed to have as a rapper, is like I'm the best.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

Right. Yeah, facts. But other than that, like, nigga, you give niggas your props. If you looked up to somebody, you say that. If if somebody influenced you, you say that. If you know you a lot of niggas don't want to sound like dickrotters, but be dick rotted. That shit don't make no sense.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

But also, like, sometimes you gotta like look at situations like even like like you grown now, AR grown now, he's doing his chest shit, which I think is super fire, right? I think that like everybody's just doing their own thing, you know what I'm saying? And I think that's what's important. That's like that's grown man shit. Like, nobody gotta fuck with each other for real, like that, but it's just like, you know, just give credit where credit's doing, just go about your business, find your peace. Like we said, for real. Like, find peace, man.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

If it ain't no real shit in the streets, gang. Stop trying to make it something for the I don't know. I don't like niggas, bro.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

I know you don't. You know that already. I know you don't.

SPEAKER_00 46:25

Like, I don't know, bro. Rappers need to just be themselves. How they be they self, bro.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

So, like these, all the all the young kids who I mean, because I feel like the drill shit now obviously is like super kind of like on the way out, I guess you could say, because it's like, you know, things happen, people keep getting locked up. I I may or may not see one or two people pop out every year, but then you know, it's not what it was three, four years ago, where it's like a million new people every month, right? Right? But but for anybody who even wants to maybe go into like that lane of music, that drill lane of music now, and they're young, and maybe they're like, you know, how old you were when you first started. Like, what would you tell them? Because you, you know, you keep talking about there's nothing in the streets, there's nothing in the comments. Like, what would be your what would you tell them now?

SPEAKER_00 47:09

I would tell them make sure that something you really want to do. There's a lot of attention from the cops. People in the world just hating. Yeah. There's a lot of faces you don't know. You could be arguing with one person. You don't know everybody from their block. You feel what I'm saying? It's a lot that comes with that drill shit. You just gotta be smart, you gotta be on point, you gotta be prepared. It's like it's like it's yeah, the clout is good, but it's like you don't make the money as soon as you make the clout. That's a fact. And a lot of niggas not even making money off that shit right now. Um I don't remember the last person from New York who got a crazy deal off a drill.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

I'm trying to think, I'm trying to think right now. So it's like I mean might be D D dot in them, maybe. Yeah, they they probably like the last ones for sure. Maybe, yeah. That they got like a real deal, that they got like a proper deal, probably like Didi and D dot, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

But that's probably the last one. Yeah, I think I think they they will be like the last ones. I mean, they can make money independently if they do it right. Yeah, like pop creep and them niggas can make mad money on some independent shit. M dot. I don't I don't know their situation. I don't know if they signed or still independent. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

I think M Dot just got locked up. I think I just seen that again.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

Yeah, I saw that too. But I don't know, bro. I tell everybody, like, don't follow the wave, bro. Be be you. You feel what I'm saying? Like when I was drill rapping, I wasn't doing what everybody else was doing. All I talk about, if you really listen to Busy Banks, talk about money and bitches the most. Right. Yeah, I talk about a little this and that here and there.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Well, the girls was the problem all along, busy life. You know?

SPEAKER_00 48:40

Worldwide sniper for real.

SPEAKER_01 48:41

Literally worldwide sniper. Busy Man is world. Kind of like jumping back into the music on a more positive. I really like the deeper than rap project. I ain't gonna lie. Like this is my favorite tape that you've ever dropped. I really like it because like I think like when I it was funny because when I was like, I was driving to the gym the other day, and I just like I put 30 on, right? I put 30 on, and I'm like, damn man, like this is the gym music I really needed again. And then I was like, all right, when I'm working out today, I'm gonna put on Busy's tape just so I can really feel it. And I'm like, oh yeah, this is like the music that I I missed. And I appreciated it. Like, I just want to give you a five. I really thoroughly like enjoyed the tape from top to bottom. Like, I don't record, you know, my growth.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

It's like it's like this is why I kind of like I gotta start doing interviews again. For me, I should have done a lot of interviews and did a lot of talking to my fans before I dropped the tape so they could really understand where I'm at mentally and where I'm coming from. I feel like if you don't understand where somebody mental is at when they drop a tape like that, you go into that tape with expectations of, oh, busy just dropped. Oh my god, I didn't hear busy in so long. And then when you hear in real life shit that I'm going through, it's like, what the fuck? I don't want to hear this shit. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's like when when you somebody that's going through how I'm talking, like, you know, when you're working out, you're clearing your mind. Like, that's mostly what work out working out is for. Like, right, you know, relieving your stress or whatever. So it's like the songs that's up there is really like it's really deep in the rap. Like for all my fans that acting, yo, where he been, why he's not posting, why he when you listen to that tape, it's like, oh damn. You feel me? Like when you really listen to the words, I don't know. That's why that's my favorite tape, because it's like it shows growth, elevation, and I never thought I could make a tape like that. I never thought I could make a tape where from top to bottom I'm really speaking on what I'm going through and how I feel.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

Right. No, and there's like a bunch of like really dope, uh, memorable moments on the tape. Like when I was listening to it, something I wrote down was Um Myself is a very reflective song for you. You know what I'm saying? You're kind of talking about obviously uh Rilla. We Rilla, we lost Rilla some time ago. Right. Yeah, um, and it kind of is like a reflective thing because like it kind of gives like obviously you're kind of talking about like where you were, where you are now, kind of being feeling like you're by yourself, but also like you're expressing like some survivor's remorse on the tape on the song too, which I feel like this is for me is like one of your most more personal songs that you've ever dropped that I can recall.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

It is, and I made it catchy. I saw people in the comments saying, like, oh, he said the same thing nine times. It's like nigga, Playboy Cardi and him say the same shit nine times. Like what I'm saying, but um, nah, yeah, I like I like myself a lot because like I really was feeling by myself for for a very long time. Like a very long time, and a lot of people wouldn't know that. You know what I'm saying? I also it's a song up there that I like called Switch. A lot of a lot of people like Omen, but I really like Switch just because of like Switch is a good one too, yeah. I just like how I started it. I was talking about like I was in the house depressed. Now I'm just focused on money now, like I'm back outside now. Yeah. Talked about how I was doing shows during COVID and how I lost my friend Drizzy when he went on a trip and talk about how I went to sleep broke, and then one day I just woke up with money. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's like I'm I'm talking on Switch, it's like I'm talking about what I'm going through, but I'm also popping it at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

You feel me? So that's my favorite song on the tape, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

A lot of people like Omen though. I like Omen. Uh that's the one we did on OTR today, right? Yeah. You did Omen today? Yeah, fire. I also really like the uh OTR bar, I'm telling you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because we're gonna also watch that OTR with 29th. It's on the screen right now. We're gonna watch it after the interview's over, but you did have the Health Star on. Yeah, for sure. So you were I remember that because I remember that day so well too, because like I was with some um that day, it was like a day before my birthday, or before my 26th birthday. And I remember like I was with um this girl at the time who we cool now, we pieced it up, but we had an interesting relationship at the time. And like we went out and we we were like celebrating, da da da. And I remember she was like, she's like, why you got the studio late? Why you got a study? I'm like, I'm like busy coming today. She's like, because she's not from here, she's like, who busy? I'm like, oh, busy bangs, da da da da the whole story. But I remember when you got out of jail, I I remember we were on FaceTime and we were like, we gotta set this up. Um and this is like maybe like a couple weeks after you got out of jail too. And then, like, yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_00 52:57

It's like this like four days after I got out of the road. Was it four days? I came straight here. Yeah, I was thinking about on the radar. I was thinking about uh on the radar freestyle when I was in that shit. I was hearing you on the radio. Yeah. Like I think it was like every Friday or something. Yeah, so Friday, 8 to 10. Every Friday, I'm just hearing everybody else's freestyle. I'm like, yo, I gotta go home do on the radar, bro.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

You know what the funniest thing about this was the next day, I think uh the next day, I I forgot what I had somebody the next day. And um, oh my god, what was her name? One of your ARs at the time. Not Shauna? Not Shauna, nah. Shauna marketing. Who was um Yaz? Yaz, it was Yaz. Yaz was there the next day because the label didn't want you to do one on the radar yet. And you you know how you you know how you, me, Shauna, and Ruby get down. We just we would just do whatever the fuck we wanted to do. And Calvin was here, and Calvin's dumbass, yo, Alex, this is a prom Calvin story. Yaz is in the stool with us. Mm-hmm. And I'm hyped because I'm like, yo, we about to drop this busy shit. Like in my mind, I'm like, we're gonna drop this busy shit. But I know not to speak about it in front of them. Calvin goes, oh yeah, we just had busy here last night. I said, I looked at Rob. Rob looked at me. I looked at Calvin. I said, Yo, I'm gonna kill him. Yes, like Busy was here last night, and then I think I might have been interviewing Sonny Jim. I forgot what I was doing. But I was interviewing somebody. I was like, so yeah, I need the I need the questions, like, what you want me to ask? Like, what do you want me to talk to him about? And I got her mind off of it immediately. Shout out Yaz. I love Yaz. But uh, but yeah, and then we dropped this shit because I knew if the label tried to get involved, it would at that time it was gonna fuck up the moment. You know, because like labels want to be strategic and shit. I'd be like, nah, we gotta drop this shit now.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

I wanted to do it ASAP because a lot of people was on something like yo, you gotta do it first day out soon, you gotta do this. Yeah. I was just thinking about when I was in my cell, just hearing it every Friday, and I was hearing everybody come up here. Yeah. And I was like, oh, bro, I just gotta like that. Because it's like as soon as I came home, I think we dropped it immediately. We did, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

We for the most part, yeah. We dropped it like a couple days ago.

SPEAKER_00 54:55

I was getting calls from the jail, like, yo, we just heard your shit last night and it went crazy. Like, yeah, I forgot. When I dropped my first day out, so you feel what I'm saying? Like, uh, they're gonna hear it later. I gotta wait to drop it and wait for it. The JPEG shit too, yeah. Yeah, like so it's like so the onor radar was a good move for me. And great move. I was just able to, yeah, I think I that's the only freestyle. I think I did in one tape.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

Probably. Yeah, probably. Because I was that bro, the energy for that was so fire. But we'll we're gonna watch this uh later. But yeah, overall, like I really like the tape, and I think that like this is definitely like one of your best bodies of work, and I really hope that people like really tune in and like they peep like what's going on on this shit because it is really so good. I hope you post it more.

SPEAKER_00 55:37

Post um more music from this shit. Nah, you know what? I I'm starting to do more reels. I gotta learn how to just do reels of the same song over and over, no matter how much I don't want to do the same song over and over. I just gotta really force myself to do it. That's what it is. It's like have your baby in it? Have your daughter in it too? Not yet. Not yet. You know what's crazy because I'm about to I'm about to I'm about to drop a song about her. Oh, that's I love that. Yeah. For what? For Father's Day? Nah, it's not gonna drop her Father's Day, but probably around her birthday.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

What's her birthday?

SPEAKER_00 56:05

August.

SPEAKER_01 56:06

August. Oh, she'll Leo. Yes, just like me. Type shit. Type shit. What was the other thing? I had something else I want I want. Oh, and then how can we forget you and S B back together on the tape? Shawnee, yeah. I'm happy because like I haven't been hearing a lot from Shawnee lately. I don't know what's been going on with him, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

You know, you know why I like um Shawnee doing music with Shawnee? Shawnee, like so. Most of my features is for a reason. Right. So like when I was the hottest in the town, I could've did a song with you know everybody that came before me, and I could have did all this. But I wanted to start a new wave of lit niggas. You feel what I'm saying? Of course. So Stunner was doing his thing.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

Oh man, shout out Stunner.

SPEAKER_00 56:49

You feel what I'm saying? And at first, like Ruby and them clearly they work with Stunner. So they was like, oh, you gotta do a song with Stunner. I'm like, nah, I don't want to do a song with Stunner yet. Then I heard I heard him do Rockstar from from the trenches.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

And I got on that song without him even knowing. So it was more so like Stunner is super talented to me. He wanted like the best artists coming out of the city, in my opinion. Like I watched him make music day and night. The music is so great, great too. Yeah, yeah. I watched him make music day and night. He got a lot of talent. Feel me? And then with Shawnee, it was more so like Shawnee and Stunner both showed my versatility as an artist. To where I can still sound cool and people won't like look look at it like, oh, he's trying shit. You feel what I'm saying? So that's really why I like doing songs with Shawnee because it's like he gave me like a different kind of energy to where I can make songs like quarantine freestyle. And I got a song called Free Ultra, Maybag Music, like all the songs I got with him, it just give a different sound, but it still sounds like Busy Banks.

SPEAKER_02 57:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

So that's why I like making music with Shawnee. It just show my versatility. And me and bro just got a crazy connection. Like, we on the same time, and we don't like people. We all about getting money. We just fly. We just feel me?

SPEAKER_02 57:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:58

So same thing with Stunner. Stunner just, he was able to let me show my versatility. I didn't care about the views they was getting. And just like once I liked something about them, it was like I gotta do it.

SPEAKER_01 58:09

So yeah, I need the SB resurgence in 2026 too, man. I miss I miss seeing SB on my time, man. I'm trying to get SB to do this tape, bro. Oh, like a tape with job?

SPEAKER_00 58:17

Yeah. I feel like it makes sense, you know? It makes a lot of sense. But we have so many songs. We have so many songs. We just like we really gotta get together, create a rollout, start doing reels. Like that's what we need to do. Like, we could drop a tape tomorrow if you want real shit. Yeah but it's like, you know, I was going through shit. He's gonna do whatever he got going on. But we good though. Shout out Shawnee, Sean, my boy. I'm trying to get Bando to do this tape too. But I'm trying to move from drill. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to like catch bro while I still got like a little bit of of that drill, yeah, left in you.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

Yeah, I feel you.

SPEAKER_00 58:52

Feel me? So I don't know. It's like I want to do, I want to do a lot, bro. I want to do a lot. I want to be super consistent, consistent. Uh especially because I'm independent too.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:03

So now you can do whatever you want. I could do whatever I want. So it's like the more, the more I'm able to be on a neck, yeah. I want to do it as much as possible.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

How's our boy Bando Jordan doing?

SPEAKER_00 59:13

He's doing good. He's doing good. I was just talking to him earlier. Cool. Yeah, he just he he uh got some label stuff going on too, but he's gonna be good soon.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Bet, bet. Yo, who's the Nas Gotti kid you brought today to OTR? So like they hit me because like so we had this idea of like, so we're so we did three records at OTR today, right? I don't know if we're gonna drop this in the middle, but we'll figure it out. But we're gonna have the classic joint, right? Which one, which one did we do for the classic? Don't start. We did don't start for the classic. Then we did the record from the project, and then the new joint, the new freestyle. I mean, that's right. And then Ruby had was like, oh, like, can we put Nas on it? I'm like, well, first of all, I want to make sure, you know, Nas was I didn't I didn't know who the kid was.

SPEAKER_00 59:49

Yeah, I don't know if he left. He he might, I feel like he probably left. He might probably still be here. Yeah, if he's still here, I'm gonna let you out meet. Nas Gotti buzzing right now in the city. I ain't gonna lie. Like, like, authentic views. Yeah. I'm watching everybody posting. Like, as far as the people I'm following and girls, boys, like everybody bubbing him right now. So like, feel me, he's doing 100k. You know, he got features from people like me, him and Basswag, I think just dropped something. Okay, like a couple, like an hour ago while we was here.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

So he I ain't gonna lie, his sound is like, feel me, you know, you know how motivate the city. Feel me? I ain't gonna say like that as bro, feel me. But his sound is unorthodox. It don't sound like the Bronx, it don't sound like he just, you know, he's talking money, he's talking that flash, and he makes sense, and it just it's just a brand new sound. To me, it's a brand new sound. Like, it sounds like what New York is, but it's just like different. Like, I don't know. Like, he gave me different type of energy. I'm outside, I'm on a roll, I like to make bread, that's who I like to listen to. So that's really why I fuck with Nasgati music. You feel me? And he he going up. He ain't even touch a million yet, but he still, the city, I'm telling you, like, city listening to him right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:08

And you just don't be putting your arm around anybody either, too. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've not I don't think I've seen you do something like this since like eat up or like you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:16

Nah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I gotta I gotta really fuck with your music to like feel what I'm saying, like he he he different. I ain't gonna lie, he's different. I saw when I came home, like child, fuck with child music heavy. Yeah, for sure. Fuck with child music heavy.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:30

Yeah, nah. I like oh child, yeah. Child's probably like the last one I seen you really kind of like be like, oh, I fuck with him. Um but I hope is Nas is Nas still here? He left. Okay, but you but you co-sign it, heavy. Nah, he's from Brooklyn too, right? Yeah, okay. Nah, it's not as nice. I fuck with Nas Heavy. So, okay, so obviously we got the new tape out. So what so now that you're independent, right? Hopefully get this joint with Shawnee off the ground, get the Shawnee tape. Um, you got the song for your daughter coming out. Um, where else do you go from here?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

Um, I told you I'm trying to enter this content life. Yeah, I like that. I'm not I'm not trying to be a crazy content creator. I didn't really want to. Yeah, when I go live on TikTok, my TikTok live. I ain't go live on TikTok in like a year. Yeah. But like when I go live on TikTok, it's so many females, like, and I'm not even saying it on some like, oh, it's the bitches. It's just, I just like see that I have so much female supporters, and it's like, I really don't do nothing for them other than be fly and handsome. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like TikTok really, I'm doing whatever they they into, bro. Like, I ain't trying to scoop nobody, I ain't trying to do all that actual shit. I really just want to be able to like, feel me, show them a side of me to where it's like, oh shit. Like he actually cool. A lot of people look at me and just think I'm mean or don't really like people, which I don't. But you just confirmed what they all think about. Nah, but I got a good personality, though. I'm funny. Now you do. I'm cool. So I I'm really gonna I'm really gonna try to lock in with some content for for the female specifically. My music still gonna be my music. I don't know. I don't know what sound I'm going to right now. I'm just rapping how I feel. You either fuck with it or you don't. But right now, I'm really just when it comes to rapping, I feel like I got it already. Like, I don't feel like like yeah, everybody gotta add shit to they to their sound. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I'm gonna keep working on my sound and figuring it out, getting the right beats. Like, I'm not saying that. I just feel like when it comes to rapping, I'm nice and I know I could be better and I could just write more. So I could work on my creativity. Yeah. But I I really gotta work on my star power. That's really what it is. So music, I'm here with music, but right now I'm just trying to gain that star power back to where it's like instead of people saying, Oh, where the fuck he been at? When they see me, it's more so like oh shit, busy just like you feel what I'm saying? Like, I need to be outside more in those conversations more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:47

Word, word.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

I don't want to be in conversations, the only conversations is like, oh, he used to have it, or oh, where he at? Or yo, he needs to drop more. I want to be in a conversation that's like, oh shit, busy is posting, busy is like, you know, people happy to see me again. I don't want it to be like, oh, I missed this nigga. I ain't going nowhere. You know what I mean? Like, you ain't been you've been here, you been here the whole time, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

Nah, we're that's about it though. Fire, bro. Well, I'm happy for you. I'm proud of you as always. Appreciate it. Um deeper than rap, the project out now. What's the name of the song you got for your daughter coming out? Um, Alani. That's her that's her middle name. Alani. Okay. So deeper than rap, uh, the project out now. Uh Alani on the way. Hopefully we'll get to say with SB sooner than later. Once you once once we find him, right? Yeah. Um and then more shit with Bando Jordan. Uh, what else you got coming up that people should know about? Anything else?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:36

Man, uh just for the summer, I dropped that last year, but I'm still promoting that. I just did a freestyle. Uh the Costinette freestyle. I just did that at uh audio exhibit. Okay, fire. So I'm still pushing that. I got a song up there called Erica Badu. That's for the females. I ain't have a female song on this tape, so I'm still about to do that. I got a special guest in that video. Hopefully, she don't flop on me. So I don't even want to say her name and then she fucking flop. I look crazy. Right. But I'm saying, uh, I'm I'm working, man. I'm promoting this tape in my lap. Any tape when I'm independent, I'm promoting it for the rest of my life.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:08

I fuck with that, that's for real. Word, man. Well, look, I appreciate you as always.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:12

Nah, nah, I appreciate you. I just shouted you out on a podcast. I forgot, oh, I ain't gonna say I forgot the name of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

That's right, Raz Ruby after you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:21

Yeah, those are the bros, though. I fuck with them. Shout out AD and all of them. But I just told them, like, I just gave you your flowers. I'm like, yo, bro, like when I'm on this next run and I know the game that it is, like, oh shit. When people start seeing those certain numbers, they're gonna want a dick route again. That's what I'm saying. It's a lot of people I'm shitting on. And I said that you one of the people that no matter how my career is going, no matter what's going on, like I I didn't say I made on the rate all lit, but I did say that's what I did. I don't care. I didn't though. I didn't say it. So I wasn't I didn't say that, but I did say I was around before before you got super lit. Like when we did our interview, you feel what I'm saying? Like clearly before you start doing the freestyles. Yeah, yeah. So I told them like when you was on the rise that I show love, so you always return that same love to me. For sure. So I always appreciate you for that because you definitely a Blake, a big platform. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. And it's like you just gotta show love. I told them like over it, like I said your name and all that. I'm like, yo, Gabe on the radar, Gabe, made sure they know the specific Gabe.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:21

Right. Like, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:23

And he looks out for me, bro, and that's that's one of the main people. Like, when I'm on this second run, that's like it's all the way reciprocate. I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

Thank you, bro. I appreciate it. I go out the classic gonna go crazy. I hope people appreciate the classic when we drop it. I really do. Nah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:36

I want to do Don't Start Two, because that's like the closest one that could be gold.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:40

But you know, Don't Start One, go and get him that little feeling. Yeah. It's the start of a busy bank. So it's like, why not?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:46

For sure, for sure. Well, look, man, appreciate you as always. Um Deeper Than Rap out now. Yep. And then we're also gonna do a reaction to all of his old freestyles. So be on the lookout for that. That'll probably drop like a day after this one, or it's out now by the time y'all see this. Um, until next time, the frequency on the radar radio. Step in, step out, don't get stepped on, go show my boy some love. Deeper than rap, the project. Out now. We out movie.