Episode 20: Lead. GivingBack. Shoot.

The OGs honor coach, Pat Summitt, spotlight NBA players and teams making a positive impact in their communities, and wrap up the episode with a candid conversation about shooting slumps.

The Summitt Standard   Tennessee Volunteers Women's basketball coach, Pat Summitt wasn't just a legendary coach - she was a leader who changed the game and empowered generations to athletes.  The OGs discuss  her lasting legacy of excellence, toughness combined with heart that lives on far beyond the court.

Who’s Been Extra Nice?  Mary Lou and Phyllis discuss how NBA teams and players are making a real impact off the court by giving back through education programs, youth sports, and community initiatives. This conversation highlights how basketball can inspire change and uplift communities way beyond the game. 

From Clutch to Cold Are shooting slumps just a normal part of the game for even for the best players? The OGs unpack how players battle through tough stretches - and why confidence, preparation, resilience, and even counseling can be the real game-changers

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

This is OG's talking ball back again for another session. So Mary Lou the other day I was thinking, how come those guys that used to be able to make shots are still um not making them now over and over, missing shot after shot. Um and I was thinking, I I I need to know what's causing these shooting slumps.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

You know, it's like a I'm sure when someone goes into one of those things, and I know it's the ladies and the gentlemen that this happens to, it has to be like getting the plague or some other horrible illness because it's almost undescribable in some ways, other than you know that you've lost your juz or you've lost your groove or something. Mojo. Mojo, thank you. Great word. I love that word, mojo, and it's just not clicking. You are not clicking for whatever reason. So uh let's talk about that a little bit. How how might that come about? And what do what do you do first of all as a player, and then how about a support staff, I guess, would have to really get involved if it's a just not a one-off kind of thing that it only happens in one game.

SPEAKER_02 1:17

Yeah, you know, I figure the um the coaches and hopefully players know what to do about it. But I think for people who are coaching or involved with um sports at a younger age, they maybe can use some hints on what what should be done for these things. There are actually things you can do. Well, but I think the cause of them is you you miss a few shots and then they start losing confidence.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Yeah, confidence I think confidence would be a huge thing. Then they're worried. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

They're they're overthinking it, they're afraid they're gonna miss it again. Yeah, they're talking bad about themselves and their brain.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Yeah. Um I think if everyone closes their eyes for a minute and they have a team that they follow, and maybe a player that they follow, they can kind of picture this happening. And sometimes it's only for a game, but I guess a slump would be defined in multiple games that it becomes more of a it is the way it's happening and not the way it's not happening kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

Right, a big deal. I know sometimes it's caused by little physical tweaks, you know, um micro injuries, you know, they're little nagging things, fatigue, people overadjust. Um sometimes there's a lot of pressure from coaches and fans and pressure they put on themselves.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Sure, sure, sure. All that I think translates to what goes on in their own brain, right? And how that's interpreted.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Yeah, and then they get involved with mechanical flaws, like a hitch in their giddy up a hitch in their giddy up, so to speak.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Yeah, elbow issues, footwork issues. And you know, that's when the coaches come in, and that's what all those assistant coaches in the NBA and the WNBA are good for. They they should be able to um break the those motions down and help people figure out what they're doing incorrectly. That's perpetuating this lack of causing it lack of of shooting. Yeah, yeah. Um so um do you know some of the things that help?

SPEAKER_01 3:41

I would imagine that each team has some type of a therapist or counselor or psychologist or something like that that's involved with the team, that maybe that would be one step as far as getting away from the physical part of practicing in a gym or you know, the your body mechanics, but just kind of go into a different zone and talk with somebody about perhaps there's other things going on in their life that they don't even realize could be influencing what's happening on the floor.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Oh, yeah, being distracted by off the court things. You know, you don't know what's going on in people's lives. No, you don't, uh you know, somebody close to them could have died and they just can't get their brains around it or or whatever. But the some of the things that are um that I f found uh that are supposed to help are focused practices, positive self-talk, say nice shot, right, right, yourself. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Visualize success. Yep. Think I can see this, focus on balance and trust your in-grained mechanics without overthinking it. Just shoot. Don't think about it, don't hesitate. Right. Just shoot. And that's one of the things I've always heard is if you're if you're in a slump, just keep on shooting, which is fine if you're not like overtired and um you have a hitch or uh some other weird thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then um people review film of successful shots or yeah, or great shooters.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Yeah, or even themselves when they were doing well. So and take a look. I would imagine there's some side-by-side stuff that happens, you know, with closed cap not closed captioning, but picture-in-picture, you know, kind of thing that look what you've done, a tiny bit of a little bit of a change in where your feet are or how your body posture is, or just some little minor thing that could change the the whole projection of the ball and how it ends, you know, right.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

And you know, such a tweaked your ankle a little bit, you're favoring that other side, but and the um the uh another another way, especially working with kids, is to start by shooting closer, right, where it's more successful, and then back up a little bit more, and then shift the focus to the result. I mean, from the result to the process. This is how you do it, this is how you do it. And then I think one of the things that helps build confidence and is it important for the whole team is to contribute in other ways on defense.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Make up basically make up for it. Yeah, for your lack of what you believe, what you've learned, what you started to believe in yourself that you can't do it anymore like you used to be able to.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Right. And I think um if you can contribute in other ways, it builds your confidence and it relieves some of the anxiety about not being there for the team.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Right, right. No, I you know, I can see there's so much that goes into it. And as a coach, what how many how many games in a row I wonder, or how how much of a sh when do you define something as a shooting slump, you know, as the coach? You know, is it a a game or two or a six or eight or twenty? I mean, is it I I just would wonder when you start to really start to work with that player on a one-to-one saying there's something different, there's something not right. How let's work together on how to fix this.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Yeah, and I think uh I I think the player themselves might be the one that defined it. Although we hear it in the media, they say, Oh, you know, you know. You know, when they're missing shot after shot like that, I I as a fan want to look at them and say, stop that shooting. Right, right. You keep missing, don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Yeah, yeah, especially if it's the same place. Somebody else do it, same place on the floor or whatever. But I know a lot of coaches will keep telling the players, just keep making shots, just keep, you know, don't think about it, don't overthink it, just do it because you had this technique and you had this positive. You know, you resolved. Exactly. We know you can do it. Well, it's interesting that some of the key players that we hear about so often have experienced, you know, shooting slumps. Like LeBron, you know, I mean, he um from time to time, you know, that he's off kilter, so to speak, and uh, I guess it could be defined as a shooting slump. And there's very few negative things that people say about him because he is 41 almost coming up, or no, his birthday would have have already happened, sorry, because we do record ahead. Oops, but anyway, his birthday's at in December and he turned uh 41. Very few people are out there shooting that ball like he can and keeping up with those young kids that basically could be his kids, like his own son, you know what I mean? They are his kids, yeah. Right, one of them is, but um, Steph Curry has had that happen to him from time to time. One that and he's the greatest shooter in the world. I know. And one that I think of that really comes to mind is Clay Thompson. Ever since he was traded from the Warriors, he the mojo is I I haven't seen it, and maybe somebody can bring it to my attention. Um, I'm gonna have to watch a couple of the games with the Mavs and see if I see his. He's lost his swagger. He's kind of lost just his persona, you know, out there on the floor. He got a haircut, so maybe that has something to do with it. I don't know, like Samson, you know, getting the hair trimmed. I don't know. But um also Devin Booker has had some recent recent uh shooting slumps that his, you know, and they're all excellent players. All of them. All of them. So I guess in summary, Phyllis, we're saying that um a shooting slump doesn't singularly define a player.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

No well, not unless they never come out of it.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Yeah, well, and I don't know if that has ever really happened.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

Yeah, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

No, and and again, I think it's um the whole collective group of the team and the coaches and the support staff, the player, possibly the player's family getting involved too. You know, there's so much because we are all so complicated as individuals and as people, not just as basketball players, you know.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

I think in general the team supports somebody that that's going through a slump and they tell them, shoot. I do too.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Shoot. We know you can shoot. I do too. Well, I appreciate that we spent some time on this topic, and I hope it was enlightening to those that are listening as well. And um, we're gonna take a little break and start up again in just a few seconds. So hang in there with us. Which I think is we're back. I know we're just kind of chatting in between here about our next uh topic, and um we are going to pay homage to Pat Summit, a women's basketball coach who uh is a legend and was the coach of the Tennessee Volunteer Women Teams for many, many years. And uh just we thought it was only fitting since we spent some time talking about John Wooden, that we would be equitable in our thinking and spend some time talking about Pat Summit as well. So um I just found the research to be fascinating. Um, you know, she was really just an amazing person. Is that what you found as well, Phyllis?

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Yeah, i uh and it's funny the reference to John Wooden because she um won the most NCAA titles as a basketball coach. Her um her team did. The only one who's won more is John. John Wooden, so she's number two. She is number two in the big picture, the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

And there have been some amazing, as we know, amazing men's and women's basketball coaches at the college ranks. So that's really quite quite an quite a feat and and quite a um honor, you know, for her. Yeah for her.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

So you know she played high school basketball, but the little town she lived in didn't have a girls' team. Oh wow so her family had to move to another team to another town in Tennessee. In Tennessee. She actually was born, raised, coached, worked, and lived her whole life in Tennessee. Um but they had they had to move so she could play basketball.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

And then she w went on to play basketball at a Tennessee college, you know, University of Tennessee. Right, right. But you know what? Her parents had to pay for that college because there were no scholarships for women.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Her three brothers all got athletic scholarships. Wow. And she she wasn't eligible um because women didn't get scholarships until after 1972 when Title 19 was passed. Title Nine. Title Title Nine, yeah. Right. Um and Wow. So she she went to college for the four years. And played. And and played and did terrific. Right, right. And then right after she graduated, she was 22 years old, and she was asked to be the coach of the Tennessee Volunteers for the University of Tennessee.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

So that was obviously be pre-WNBA and anything that had to do with women continuing to play after they graduated. This was college. This was college. And I know we still have a long way to go as women. I'll just put my own little two cents in here. But uh at least at that point in time, she was recognized for who she was and basically honored, and uh, you know, was able then to move on with her career then too to become the coach at 22. You know? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

However, at the time she was hired, she made$250 a month. Oh my word. She had to wash the players' uniforms.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

That was included in the coach's job description. I didn't realize that. Oh, for heaven's.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

And part of the time she had to drive the van to the games with the team.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Oh my gosh. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. Oh, we've come a long way. That was 19 in the 1970s. That was 74 to 75.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

So it was her first season. 50, 50 years ago. And she um she coached there for 38 years.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Yeah, she did.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

I remember she was And you know, University of Tennessee did really well with her. It's a Division I SEC school.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I know they had eight NCAA championships from 1987 all the way through 9 or excuse me, 2008. Uh some of those were two in a row, three in a row in the 90s, 96, 97, and 98. And then um, yeah, she's amazing. Just, you know, had a really zero-zero amount of losing seasons. Yeah. All 38 seasons were winning seasons. She never missed the NCAA, the team never missed the NCAA NCAA tournament in her tenure. Never once.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

And she had several seasons where they never lost a game.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

Yeah, right. Oh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, okay, and there was 32. I kind of did some homework on this too. So 32 consecutive 20 plus winning seasons. 18 final four appearances in the tournament. 18.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

That's a lot. And she won 1,098 games out of 1,306. That is crazy incredible. Isn't that amazing?

SPEAKER_01 15:45

That is great.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

But every one of her players graduated from college 100%. Wow. Oh wow. And she was known as a really tough coach. I bet, yeah. I bet. She said over time that she mellowed, that she didn't yell near as much as she used to. Cute.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Cute. Cute. Oh my.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Oh my. And you know, she she got her uh master's in 76 while she was coaching. And she was a member of the U.S. Olympic team that got silver. Yes. In 76. I remember. That was in Montreal.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Uh-huh. And and then she was the coach, the head coach for the Olympics in s in 84. 84. Uh-huh. And they won gold for the first time ever.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

I remember that. Oh my god, that was really quite, quite an advance. People were so excited and so happy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

It was near you. Yeah. You were in California. California, we have in 1984. Yep, the LA Olympics. Yeah, and there they were.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

Yep. Just thriving. No, she was inducted in the Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame in uh 1999. And this is, you know, thankfully it was all when she was in good health. She did get some recognitions, you know, when she announced her retirement um in 2012, and there were some things that happened after that. But um it's kind of exciting that she was inducted into the Memorial Basketball Memorial Hall of Fame in uh 1999.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Yeah, she had many honors. Do you want to do you want to talk about her charity sum? Why don't you bring that, yeah, bring that forward?

SPEAKER_01 17:18

That we can get some good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

She was diagnosed with early onset Alzheimer's. And she told everybody that she made an announcement and told everybody that she had it. And s they set up a charity where they sold t-shirts called We Back Pat on them. And she whatever stadium she went into, there were standing ovations and lots of people wearing those t-shirts, and all the money for those shirts went to a charity for research for Alzheimer's. Wow. So she she had an assistant coach with her that helped the last two years or so, but then she had to she had to stop coaching. You know, she would still come and hang around some and to practices and stuff, but um had to stop, you know. Yeah, yeah. She um, you know, and that that that charity is still going on.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yeah, and that's fabulous because we know she left money for that. All of us know of someone or know of a family or know of a person who perhaps has struggled or is struggling with Alzheimer's. So we know that that charity really needs a still needs a lot of love and attention, and uh it's great that they have that in existence for her, you know, in her memory, because she was again a force uh to contend with. So many of the current um uh college women's coaches use her as their role models, yeah, you know. Yeah uh and men.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

And men she was actually invited to um to coach uh a couple of men's college basketball teams, and she turned them down. She always stayed there. And then she wrote three books, and there was an HBO documentary called Um The Cinderella Season, The Lady Voles Fight Back. Voles. Voles Volunteers, right? The Lady Voles, yeah. But you know, the uh the other thing um that I found really interesting was that CEOs from uh all kinds of companies um found that she was a perfect motivational speaker.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Amen to that. I was just gonna bring that forward too, that she has her lasting principles. Basically, she led by example, and I love that. And and when I was in my work world, that's kind of the motto I would use is if I'm not in there helping or doing it or showing or being a part of it, then forget it because you don't just being a leader is not always just telling somebody what to do. You know, it's really being involved in that whole thing, and she also had a definite dozen, she called it, which was her principles that went into, like you said, beyond basketball, focusing on commitment, accountability, and change.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Yeah, and that's beautiful. One of the reasons why her her team all graduated, all of her players graduated. Yeah, do you know she she delivered inspirational talks to the CIA, Victoria's Secret.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Oh, I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Colleges and high school, Federal Express, oh my god, and the Federal Reserve Board, among others.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Oh my god, I love that. I love that. What a great way to end this segment on Pat Summit. You know, she was, you know, we always remember her as the coach, the coach for the women's team of the um Tennessee Volunteers College, University of Tennessee College, and um and beyond. So let's leave it at that and uh move on to our next segment, Phyllis. Okay, after a little break. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

All right, cool.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

Okay, Mary Mary Lou, let's talk about community givers. You know, the basketball players make a great deal of money. Yeah. And a great deal of it goes to charity, which is beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

You know.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Um the the NBA has um a charity called NBA Cares. And they partner with players and teams on different community projects. They donate to charities such as UNICEF and boys and girls clubs, and they give a monthly community award assist award to players. And um, the last one that was picked at the time that we are recording this was in November, uh, was the last full month, and DeAndre Aiton of the Last Full. Angeles Lakers.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

Former Blazers, former son. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Um he won the award. And the it it's an honor, but it also comes with a ten thousand dollar contribution to the players charity of choice. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

A lot of them I know have fo foundations from their home communities. Is uh DeAndre from I can't remember where his homeland is. I I don't remember either. Bahamas, maybe. I don't have I can't remember. Anyway, a lot of them it goes back to where they were raised and some of them come from um areas that are are definitely poverty stricken. So yeah, yeah, there's a there's a lot of that.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

You know, um you know, one of the ways that NBA cares makes money is from player fines.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

You know, if they have if they if you get a technical in the NBA, you're fined five thousand you're you're fine two thousand dollars for the first five technicals. Okay. Um after that it builds up in the course of a year. Um and it goes up to five thousand.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Wow. And if you keep on doing that and being nasty to the refs and saying um rude things or um doing other um negative things that we talked about what what a technical foul was, so everybody knows about these things.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

You can be to find five thousand dollars plus be suspended for a game. Yeah, yeah. And it and it gets worse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

So, but let's get back to happier things. So yeah, the NBA cares is a you know, is great. And it was developed in 2005. Is this the 20th year of their um? I don't have that information. I think I do, yes. It was launched in 2005, so that's a pretty cool thing. So it's somewhat recent, but um certainly when you hear about NBA cares now, um, it maybe will put a shed a little light on, oh, that's what that's all about. And where does the I often wondered, thank you for that tidbit too, about where the money for fines went. So that's a cool thing that the money goes into this basically slush fund for charities.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

Yeah, and then it's divided 50-50. Half of the fine money goes to the NBA cares, the other half goes to the um National Basketball Players Association. So um the players get the players association gets to decide where that money goes. And they they have a a nice little program. If you've been um in basketball, it uh in professional basketball with them for three years plus, um, you can get up to$25,000 a year in matching grants for your charity.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. You know what? I have to say this right now before I forget, but I think the NBA cares gets massive dozens of fresh baked cookies, virtual cookies, because this is really above and beyond playing basketball. You know, it is about humans, it's about people, it's about caring, concern, doing for others, you know, kind of.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

They can find people and just put it in their pocket.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

Yeah, but they could have, yep, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

They do so many amazing things. And you know, the WNBA has um a similar similar program, and they they support um they support some really interesting programs. Well, they you know, there's breast awareness, which is uh sensible for breast cancer. They they also um support education for girls like read to achieve and girls who code. Oh wow, uh-huh. So for technology, yeah. The stem poops for troops, which helps military families. Sweet, so those are all NBA special.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

These are just such feel-good kinds of things, and I think the W get needs cookies too, I mean, for sure. Oh yeah. Um, for both of these organizations, virtual, fresh-baked cookies, whatever kind, Phyllis, you and I are in the mood to give them. But um, I kind of always lean on my chocolate chips, to be honest with you. But um, it could be who knows what, but we just think that I just think that's fantastic to know that in the bigger picture that it's so much more about um the game.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Yeah, you know, and you know the the the really interesting um WNBA player is Tina Charles of the Connecticut Sun. She has a charity called Hopi's Heart Foundation, and they have provided over 500 AEDs, those are automatic external defibrators.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Defibrillators, uh-huh. You see them in buildings as you walk in so much of the community centers and other public gathering places.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

Nice. Um, and that's named after an aunt of hers who died suddenly of a heart attack.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

I was gonna say because this is heart-related. Wow, that's great.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

And that has been an ongoing charity for a long time. She she also funded a school in Mali.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

And she helps support safety sports clinics for children.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

So so much. There's so many, and then you know, we're just highlighting a few players, but there are so many players that have uh beautiful organizations that they're connected to and that they support, and they help both financially and also their physical presence when possible. Yeah, you know, to um be encouraging and to supportive and all those good things.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Remember JJ Barrera, what he did? Um he hopped on a plane that um Mark Cuban's private plane filled with supplies and aid for Puerto Rico after Hurricane Marie. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

And he went there and handed out stuff to you know, I just think this just is so heartwarming to know that there's so much more that goes into being a part of a big group like the NBA or the WNBA, that so many players and teams um are compassionate individuals. And I know we experience here in Portland um the gracious giving of Damian Lillard that he's involved in many, many little organ littler kinds of organizations, not nationally known or nationally renowned. And very quiet about it. And he does it very quietly, but you know, sets up scholarships at Portland State. I mean, just all kinds of goes to elementary schools and says hi to the kids, and you know, just can you imagine? You know, and that's Damien. And I know LeBron does this, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant. There's so many of the key players in the NBA that make their pres presence known in their communities um by offering support and not just uh you know, gosh, LeBron's got a school. Yes, you know, he does in Akron. And Akron. An Akron, excuse me. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Yeah. Yeah, and um, you know, de Kim De Kimbe Matumbo, remember him? Yeah, I do. He he financed a hospital in the Democratic Republic of Congo. In Africa. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Yeah. Yeah. There is uh yeah. So so much giving, so much gracious giving without needing these accolades that we're presenting right now, you know, and ours are just on our little podcast, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:29

No, but it's still and you know, Tim Duncan is really interesting. He was he was born and raised in the US Virgin Islands, and he was a swimmer. And uh a hurricane destroyed.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

The Admiral, correct? Tim Duncan Yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

He um a hurricane destroyed the only Olympic sized pool. He was he was on his way to Olympic um fame, huh? Fame. Wow. Um and then there was no swimming pool, so he turned to basketball. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

What a gift he was still a ongoing gift, you know. Yeah. Here's another one that's right there with Greg Popovich going through his, you know, uh recovery from that stroke that he had. That Tim Duncan is kind of there for him too, which is beautiful to see.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

And now and then there was uh uh a hurricane, another hurricane called Irma that went to the Virgin Islands. Right, right. And he helped raise more more funds and they took four hundred thousand pounds of food and supplies and water for the hurricane relief. I mean, there's just major things that have happened and multiple, multiple other small things. What these multimillionaries are are helping.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

That's great. I would hope that we've inspired some people through this podcast to at least take a look and see what their local teams are doing as far as their own community reach out. And again, when you get aggravated or exasperated that your team is not doing well, uh knowing that maybe they're giving their to their community and their outreach might put a smile on your face for a minute anyway, you think? I do. I do. All right. Okay. I think with that said, we can say um adios for this segment or this episode of our podcast. And you know, I always say life is better with basketball, Phyllis.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

And I say be kind to each other out there.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Yes, indeed. All right, until next time.