How Motherhood Transformed My Business and Helped Me Set Boundaries - A Conversation with Morgan Stephens

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Unlock the secrets to balancing motherhood and a thriving business with Morgan, a passionate equine rehab expert whose journey from horse-loving kid to successful mom-preneur is nothing short of inspiring.In this candid episode, Morgan shares how horses guided her career, transforming her from a city-raised girl into a certified equine rehab practitioner and online educator. Discover how her first horse, with all its struggles, sparked a lifelong obsession that led her to build a business helping horses across the globe—all while raising her own two kids.We break down her unique approach to motherhood and entrepreneurship, including how she set boundaries that allowed her to grow a sustainable business without sacrificing time with her family. Morgan reveals the power of continuous learning, her favorite practices for patience, and how horses taught her crucial lessons in resilience, perspective, and presence. You'll discover:

• The story behind her transition from in-person work to launching a successful online course

• How motherhood reshaped her approach to work and life, emphasizing boundaries and intentionality

• The mindset shifts that helped her stay patient—and how horses mirror our personal growth

• Practical tips for busy moms pursuing passion projects without burnout

• The significance of staying humble, curious, and committed to lifelong learning

This episode is perfect for any mom juggling business dreams, personal development, and family life—especially those inspired by the equine world or seeking relatable, real-life motivation. Morgan’s authenticity and insights will leave you inspired to pursue your own goals, with clarity and confidence.Morgan is a certified equine rehab practitioner, business owner, and mother of two, known for her down-to-earth wisdom and heartfelt approach to balancing life's demands. Her story proves that with the right mindset and boundaries, you can forge a path that honors both your passions and your family.Are you ready to be inspired, reassured, and motivated to pursue your dreams while embracing motherhood? Hit play now—your journey toward a more fulfilled, intentional life starts here.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey you guys, welcome back to the Saddle Up Mama podcast. I'm really excited about today's episode because I'm sitting down with someone who I not only deeply respect, but who I've actually gotten to learn from and work alongside. And that just makes this conversation feel extra special. Today I'm talking with my friend Morgan, the woman behind Feelin' Fine Ecoine. She's a mom of two, a horsewoman, and an entrepreneur who has built something really meaningful in the ecoine space. Not just teaching people how to work with their horses, but helping women build confidence, connection, and trust in themselves along the way. And that's really what this conversation is about. We talk about what it actually looks like to pursue something you love while raising kids, the tension that can come with that, and how horses have a way of refining you, especially in seasons of motherhood. This one feels really honest and really grounding, and I think a lot of you are gonna see yourselves in parts of this conversation. So whether you're in the thick of motherhood, trying to find your way back to yourself or just craving a little encouragement today, this episode is for you. Let's dive in. I just love you. I have worked with you, but also taken classes from you, and I watch you, and I'm just like you just have such a good vibe and good energy about you, and I'm totally a vibe checker, and I'm like, I just I love what you're doing. Thank you. Anyway, you're killing it. You probably don't always feel like that, but from a mom who knows what the juggle is. I mean, you're doing awesome. Thank you. That's so nice. So just to start, just for someone who's probably maybe never heard of you before, how did horses first become part of your life and how did that evolve into what you do today?

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Oh, that's a great question because I didn't actually grow up with horses. My family and parents are very like city type people. We didn't have any animals really growing up. I had a couple of cats. Um, and then later on we got a dog, but I really always, like from the moment I can remember, loved horses. Like I would print out all these horse ads and like hang them all around my room and just like pretend that those were my horses because I just loved them and I wanted one so bad. And my parents, of course, always thought like it's a phase, she's gonna grow out of it. And so when I turned 15, I got my first job at a vet clinic, actually, because again, I just always loved animals. And so once I got my first job, my like a large animal vet clinic? Yeah, they did both, just like mixed animal, yeah, small and large. And I just started out as like the cleaner, like I would just clean up after everything. And um, once I got a job, my parents were like, All right, you can pay for your own horse so you can get one. So they got me my first horse, and then I was responsible for like paying for her board and feed and all the things because again, we didn't live where we could have horses, and so yeah, I loved it. My first horse was awesome. We went through some trials and struggles, but ultimately her she ended up having a lot of health issues, and ultimately her like journey through that, her and I's journey through that kind of led me into wanting to do rehab. And originally I wanted to be a vet that did rehab because I worked at a vet office. Um, and I thought that that was kind of the only route to being able to do like rehab type stuff. And uh it wasn't until I kind of discovered I could go to a different program, save a couple hundred thousand dollars, and I ended up doing the CERP program, which is certified equine rehab practitioner, through the University of Tennessee. So that is for vets, also like after they're done to like specialize in it for human physical therapists or for vet techs. And I had started out of office young and then eventually worked up as a tech, and I had done that for about six years before. So I was able to do the rehab program, and it was a really great foundation. I've done like hundreds of hours of continuing education since, but it was kind of where I got my start.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

That's so cool. I actually I knew you didn't grow up as a horse girl, but I didn't realize that it was your first horse that kind of inspired this whole how can I help my horse a little bit better kind of deal. So it's cool how horses kind of guide us like that. Was there ever a moment where you realized this is not just a passion? You know, this horse thing's not going away like like your parents probably thought it was. And you know, you went and you got your CERP. At what point did you realize I'm gonna make this a business now? You know, I'm not gonna go be a vet, I'm gonna go do my own thing.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Yeah, that's a that's also a really good question because I don't know if there ever really was a specific moment because I always kind of envisioned, especially after doing my program, in Tennessee, the medical world is a little bit different, I would say, than Utah, but also probably because they have this program in their state. Um, and so those vets work really closely with other CERPs and other practitioners. So then coming back to Utah after that program, I people had no idea what I even did. And I was like kind of planning on like working under a vet or like working in a vet office to do this, but people had no idea like what this even was. Like, what are you? Yeah, they were like, no, like this isn't like what we do, obviously. So then I was kind of like forced into having to do it myself because I had just gone to school and like obviously I loved it and I was really intrigued about everything. And so from then I just kind of started posting in like Facebook groups, and I really just wanted the experience. My first year out, my goal was to work on a thousand horses, and so I charged people like 25 bucks. I'm like, let me just come and like feel your horses, touch your horses. Like, I really just wanted all the experience, and that didn't last like super long because that wasn't very sustainable. Um, but I did end up seeing like 1200 horses my first year, which was oh my gosh, yeah, which is what I wanted. I didn't have kids at the time, and so I could just like really grind and get the experience, and it was probab were you married or yes, I was married, yeah. Okay, yeah. So I was in my first year of marriage and doing this, which again probably isn't very smart because my husband was like, Where are you? Um I'm gone all the time. But um, yeah, after my first year, I felt very like, okay, I'll never do that again. Like that was a lot, but at the same time, super grateful to like I I did really need that, I think, to help become who I am today. So bring open yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

Well, I mean, being able to work with that amount of horses, you know, and it it you can't get that experience any other way without doing it, you know. Yeah. It just in like anything if you're gonna be a photographer or anything, like if you don't go out and do your craft a lot, you can't expect to grow that much. Yeah, so yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

It's so true.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

But now here you are, you're a mom of two, cutest little kids ever. Um, how did becoming a mom change the way that you show up in your business and with your horses and just individually?

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Yeah, so I remember when I was pregnant with my son. I was who was my first, and I was honestly pretty scared. Like I didn't think that I was gonna have a business after I had him because it was so important to me to be able to raise him and you know, put him as like a number one priority. And so with how much traveling I had done prior, and even so when I was pregnant with him, I was eight months pregnant, I actually got kicked in the neck right here when I I was working on a horse. And it was kind of crazy. It wasn't really anybody's fault. I just was eight months pregnant, couldn't get out of the way quick enough. I was just showing the owner some exercises, and I like sent the horse out to lunge, and she was just feeling good and frisky and just kind of kicked out, and it just got me right in the neck, which thank goodness the neck, not the belly, but um yeah, so yeah, so I was done working by then, which I was close enough to having my baby, but still it felt like forever because I wanted to work up until I had him, and I felt good enough still, so it was kind of like I'm just sitting around waiting to have this baby, I can't work, and then I'm afraid that I'm never gonna get to like really work again, or you know, maybe here and there. Like I I had no idea what was gonna happen with that, and it was kind of in my mind that like I'm done, you know. But to be honest with you, after I had him, I feel like it was the best thing that could have happened for my business because it allowed me to really like set boundaries, like I mentioned before my first year in business, and even my first couple of years, I didn't really ever say no. Like I would work anytime, I would go see any horse, I would travel the distance, go the lengths, like I was burning myself out, and that makes me not able to show up for the horse as good because I'm just so burned out because I didn't want to say no, which is pretty typical, I'd say, in like building a business your first couple years, you know, you have to kind of go the extra mile and do all the extra things. But having him and having that priority of like wanting to have him have like the best life and have his mom very present allowed me to set boundaries in my business, and people started coming to me so that I could have him in his environment and put him down for naps, which I didn't ever think was a possibility. Like it was kind of actually super eye-opening to me because I was like, oh my gosh, like these people will travel to me, like I don't have to go anywhere. Like they want, they there's plenty of other people to choose from that will come to them, but they want to come to me. They know that I help their horse and whatever. And so it was really cool to be able to not only have my son like at home and in his environment with me, but also to see that my business like can flourish in it in a new way.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

That's so cool to me that um you know it is scary to pursue something after kids because they change, they change things. And and sometimes like like I remember before I had my first, I thought I would keep working, you know, like oh I'm I'll go back to work and all that. And then I had her and I was like, nope, this is where I want to be, you know. And at that time I wasn't really pursuing anything personally, but um, you know, I can imagine how nerve-wracking that would be. And it's just cool to me how God has kind of allowed your business to flourish alongside motherhood, which I think is just such a cool blessing. Hey friends, quick pause before we jump back in. If you love Western style with meaning, I have to tell you about my Etsy shop Saddle Up Mama. I design hoodies, t-shirts, western-inspired pieces and art for horse girls, mamas, and anyone chasing that western life. You can find everything over at my Etsy shop. I'll leave the link here in the show notes, and be sure to use the code podcast for a special discount at checkout. All right, let's get back into the episode. So at what point, because you know, you you are a CERP, and I know you still work with horses, you still do go see horses, but you've also kind of shifted into this um online teaching course. I myself have taken some courses of yours and I loved it. Um, but what made you decide to shift from, you know, in person to an online coaching program?

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Yeah, um, part of that was probably definitely my kids and being able to be with them more, but I didn't want to totally ride off like seeing horses in person or being able to work with them in person. But yeah, so when I started my business, I kind of just started posting on social media. I don't really know why, probably just because it was like the thing to do, and like you're out in business and you post about what you do, you know. There was uh there's really like no guide for me. Like I just kind of did it and just experimented with it. And uh doing that and showing what I do and the transformations of these horses got me a pretty big following, I would say, like just along the way as I posted things. And I kind of figured like I'd get questions all the time about how people could help their horses and what they could do, but they were not in the same state or not in the same country, you know. And so at first I kind of started posting like just short little educational reels on my Instagram, which I still do, but um that kind of like those were really popular, people really liked them, but then it also led to more and people wanting more, and so then I decided, well, I'll maybe develop a class. Um, and I had taught some in-person classes too, which helped me be able to kind of formulate everything online as well. And but I wanted to give something to people that like wasn't so that was easy for them to do. So like they didn't need like a certification or anything, um, but also that would really like make a difference in their horse. And so I kind of just started with like habits, like habits that we have as horsemen, where really like those little habits and those little things that we do with our horses make such a huge impact over time. And so just changing those little things can really make a big difference, and then just teaching your horse how to move a little bit deeper. So that's kind of what my online program is now is kind of building off of that. And it goes over seven weeks, so we we go into more than just daily habits eventually, but that's kind of how it started, and I really love it because it allows me to get to be with my kids and still work a couple days a week, but also have a community online and being able to help horses everywhere across the globe.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Do you feel a pressure to um you know show up on your social media a certain way, or has that been able like are you pretty chill? You're just like, oh whatever. Um do you have a game plan, I guess, with your social media, or is it just a fun creative outlet?

SPEAKER_01 16:33

Yeah, I would say it kind of depends on the day. There are I would say I've gotten way better at just like I'll post when I want to post, or I'll post when I have something to say, and there's really like no pressure behind it. But then as you know, my following grows or as I get traction, it's kind of addicting, and you kind of like want more and want more. And so sometimes when which I don't think is a bad thing. Like I have goals with my social media, and I have goals to reach a certain amount of followers and traction and all of that, um, which I think is great, but I think it can also be taken a little too far with being a little bit like obsessive over it, which I definitely have like days like that where I'm like, oh, I just need to like get something out there because sometimes it feels like you're consistent, you're consistent, and then you skip a day and you're like back to the start, you know? So it feels like more work. Um but for the most part I've gotten way better about just posting when I want to post, and I think that that helps me be a little bit more like real and um like approachable to people from people. Like I get more messages, more views, more comments, like when I just post what I want to post and not post with any sort of schedule.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

Yeah, I feel like we're starting to come into an age where social media was so polished for so long and it was like aesthetically pleasing everything. And now people are like, I just want to see the real side, you know. I mean I do, but I think it's interesting to see which videos for a lot of people take off, you know, and it's usually the ones that are just this is just real life, like that's yeah, because it's so relatable, like that's kind of what I think like you said, if we've kind of shifted a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

People want more things that they can relate to and feel connected to. And I think even now, like that's that's more of my goal. Like I've had certain instances where people will send me messages about how much a certain video or a certain post like impacted them. And that means way more to me than any number of followers, you know, and being able to know that I am like helping people also along in their journey.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Yeah, it's a it's a tricky balance because it is such a useful tool and it's easy, you know, it's right at your fingertips, and it but it it's hard not to get sucked in sometimes and be like, well, now I need to do more. I don't know. Absolutely. Um what do you hope that your kids learn from watching you live your life? One thing that I love about you is you bring your kids, you know. I'm very much an advocate of like bring your kids with you, like don't let them stop you. And I love seeing you. The other day you posted you're like, I'm going to see all these different horses and work on them, and you had your kids with you. And I am sure that it was not easy and it was probably probably took a lot more energy than it would have by yourself. Um, but I I love it because you know they get a front row seat to to watching you live your life. So what's something that you hope your kids learn from watching you?

SPEAKER_01 20:12

In the beginning, I um like before I even I think had kids, or maybe I was pregnant, I can't remember, but I saw a quote, or maybe somebody told me or something on Facebook, I don't know, something about not letting your kids hold you back from your dreams, or like having your kids getting um like they're a part of your life, like you're not a part of their life, or something like that. And yeah, that like really I was like, you know what? Like I like that because I do have passions and dreams and goals for myself, and yeah, my kids are a huge part of my life, and they're a huge part of who I am, like as a person, but I am also Morgan, and I want to let them know that throughout their whole life to also do what's best for them and be able to follow their dreams and their goals and not really let anything hold them back, whether you know it's family, their kids, like being able to incorporate all of that can be a really beautiful thing. It definitely can be a very hard thing and a very stressful thing sometimes. And like after I take my kids with me for a day, like we don't do it the next day because I'm but that's all that's the the other beautiful thing about like the boundary thing, you know. Like I can work a couple days a week, take my kids with me, and then I have Three days or four days with them where we're at home and that we get to play, and so they get to see both sides of me and getting to play and interact with them and doing what they like, and then some days they get to come with me and go on drives and meet other people and get like socialized and see me working and seeing me loving what I do. And I mean, right now they probably don't understand much of it because they're so young. But I hope as they get older, and even now that it's they're very used to it, um, that I hope that it translates later on.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Yeah, I think it will for sure. And I think you're teaching them, you know, for my own kids, I feel like it's helped them to be a little bit more independent and create almost creative. You know, it's like, hey, like you have to come with me and you're gonna have to find a way to entertain yourself. And sometimes that involves screens. Yeah. Sometimes it involves screens. Sometimes it's just like, here's the dirt. Find something to do. You know, you're you're helping them, I think, in so many more ways than you realize. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah, it doesn't feel like it sometimes in the moment, and definitely not to them. Like my last horse of the day. They're just like, mom. I'm like, I'm almost done.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Everybody, we can do this. Oh, and even still, you know, my kids are so funny. My younger ones, whenever I'm like, hey, we gotta go up and ride, or we gotta go, you know, over to this barn or whatever. They always they they will whine so much to me. Like they're like, I don't want to go. This is the worst thing ever. But then we get there and like I never see them because they're just playing the whole thing, they're like so happy. And so I think some people take that first whine of when they're like, I don't want to go, and it's like, oh, okay, we won't. It's like, no, push them out of their comfort zone a little. And they'll probably have a good time.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

That's really important to bring up too, because sometimes pushing them out a little bit can like it actually ends up turning out for the better.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Yeah, a hundred percent. Um, have you ever doubted yourself in all of this? You know, like truly question can I can I make this work?

SPEAKER_01 24:33

All the time. Um even still? Yeah, I still have like days where honestly, probably today is one of them because I'm like, all right, can I go like work with horses, or is it just is it too much like extra? Should we just not do that, you know? And I would say there are days I let it get to me for sure, and we just don't do anything, and that's fine too. Like sometimes, you know, we need a break. Um and but I think too, it's like it's balancing, like obviously I love my kids and I'm grateful for my kids, but it's hard not to think like if you were at a babysitter or if you were like at grandma and grandpa's, I could get all of this done, and like it would be the best day. But it ends up like sometimes I've done that and it's like not been the best day, and I still don't get anything done, and so then I'm like, oh, I might as well have just had my kids, you know?

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

So uh getting to be with them and just balancing that and just making sure that I have days where I do push them out of their comfort zone, and I just we just do it and we roll with it. And some days where maybe I'm not feeling like I want to fight that battle, then we don't, and I think that that's that's okay in the end. Like we have to do, you know, what's best for us, and every day is a little a little different for them and for us, and how much sleep we have and how much food we had and all of the things.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

So oh yeah, 100%. Do you do you feel like you've ever you've had to grieve any version, any old version of yourself in this whole process?

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Oh, this is a good question. I feel like it it does kind of yeah, depend on the circumstance or depend even like on the day. There are definitely days like and sometimes I'm like, it is it because I'm getting older, is it because I'm having kids, but like my bot or I had kids, my body doesn't like work the same as it used to, or and my mind is like still there. Like my mind is like, I'm still in high school, like I can do all of this stuff, and then like my body tries to go do it, and it's like, oh no, no, no, no, no, like we cannot do that anymore. And so then I'm kind of yeah, like I put pressures on myself to get to a certain way or do a certain amount of things because my mind isn't held back, you know, and so in a way I do think that that makes me grieve or be jealous of my past self, you know, and even like before I had kids, you know, I thought I was just going, going, going, and I probably was, but like now I look back and I'm like, what were you doing? You could have gotten so much done. And then I did the same thing when I had my son, I was just like, oh my gosh, like we're just going, going, going. And now I have my second, and I'm like, what were you doing? You could have you had so much time. Like now you have two. And it probably is like that with every kid or every like phase of life, you know? Just a little yeah, like you know, you have each kid, you're like, what the heck were you doing? Like you thought you had no time with one, but you had so much time. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Different stages we kind of learn as hindsight, you know.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Yeah, oh for sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Uh what have horses taught you about yourself and in this season of life, but even just like throughout your life? Yeah. What have horses brought?

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Um, I think probably the biggest thing that horses have taught me is patience. I feel like that's something I am actually really good at.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Um I'm not being very humble when I say that, but I no, I agree. I like there's been times when you when I was like filming for you, and I don't even remember what was happening, but I remember thinking, gosh, she's like the most patient person I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Wow, that's so nice. Yeah. Patience is probably the number one thing I feel like I've really learned. And I mean, obviously, there are days I'm not very patient, and that depends on lots of things. But so there's obviously room for improvement always, but that is something I am really grateful to have learned from them, and just the more horses I've been able to work with, and helps me develop like more feel and more understanding, and that has also helped me with my kids and in my life in general, and being able to view things from their perspective because I'm constantly viewing things from the horse's perspective, and so that's kind of the mindset I'm always in. And honestly, I'll I it's even helped me in my marriage because I am able to like not view things from like a selfish perspective and being able to see things from others. So, like when my husband and I have a disagreement, you know, kind of your first thought is like, you know, why would they do that? And like that is so rude, or yada yada yada. But if you can kind of pull yourself back and think about like, really, why, why did this happen? Like, what were the signs before that? What's their perspective on it? Maybe I am being this way. And same with my kids, like it's something that has really helped me in all aspects of my life.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

Yeah, no, you you definitely have a way of being patient. And I feel like this is so this might be a little bit off. I when I remember when I did that course of yours, I just remember thinking, she is like like a lot of times working with horses, you know, because what you'd have us um lunging them and stuff, and it, and I think there's this expectation that they're gonna catch on really quickly. Um, and so I I would watch your videos and we would talk about it, or you'd be talking and you're able to be so calmly patient, even if it took them five, ten minutes to like really understand what you were asking for, or and you also have a really good eye for it. Like sometimes you're like, oh, like right there. I'm like, what is she talking about? I didn't like I gotta rewind because anyway, but there's something about horses that just kind of turns over into our lives, and so I just I think you've done a good job.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

Oh, thank you. Well, I'll put a I'll put a little plug for one of my mentors because the most patient, most understanding person I've ever met is Brent Graf. I went to one of his clinics last year, and um truly to watch that guy work with horses is like magic. And then to watch him work with his wife with horses, because that's something my husband and I have always struggled on a little bit. We do horses a little different, and that's hard because neither one of us is right or wrong. We're just doing it two different ways, and we're trying to get to the same goal. We're just kind of going about it in our own way. And at first that was really hard for us, but then I went to one of his clinics and I watched him work with horses and I watched him work with his wife because they're the same way, they do things a little bit different, but they're both so respectful and understanding of how each other, how they're each working with the horse and how they're getting there, and like letting it happen instead of like critiquing everything along the way. And I think that that's kind of something that helped me with my husband, but also helped me with horses and just not critiquing them so much or being so like micromanaging and like letting them find it, but being there to like help and support them along the way. And so I that I I have like probably two experiences of my whole life that I felt like I really changed as a person, and his clinic was one of them. Like I really feel like I came back a whole new morgan.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

So that's something that I love about you. Um, as a side note, I love that you continue your education and in learning, you know, you're not just like, well, I got the certificate and I'm good, but I've seen you going to clinics and I've seen you taking um lessons and things from other other individuals, and I think that's something that's so easy to dismiss as you get older, you know. You're kind of like, well, I went to school or I got the certificate or I got the I got the knowledge, but I I love continuing learning. I it's why I took your course. Like, I'm like, I just want to keep learning. Like, that's what we're here for. So let's I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

Yeah, I I think it's awesome. I was talking with my dad last week when he was here, and we were talking about because he was saying he's like, I really feel like God has given you a gift with horses, and I think that this happens all the time. God gives every one of us gifts, and but it's up, but it's up to us to continue to nourish that gift and strengthen that gift so that we can use it, um and continue to use it and be better with it and all of the things, and so that even just kind of like um made me see it in a different light because I was like, obviously, I love learning and I love being able to you have the cutest little smile. She's like, I'm very happy and I just ate. But anyway, um yeah, I obviously love learning and I love being able to continue to learn, but it made me see it in a different light, realizing that I am feeding and nourishing like a real gift. And I think we eat you have you have to practice it and you have to learn more things with any gift that you know you feel like you have or that God has given you. And so anyway, I really liked that.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

That's awesome. And I and I also feel like sometimes people think, oh, I can only do the things that come easily to me. But one thing, like I was actually talking with someone a couple days ago, and I asked, I said, you're so good with your words. And then later in the conversation, I said, What's something you feel like you're still you struggle with? She's like, I you actually you complimented me on it, but I really struggle with my words, and I I feel like sometimes God wants us to continue to nourish things, you know, not just what comes easy, but He He just wants us to put in the work, I guess is what I'm trying to say. So anyway. Okay, last question here. If there was a mom, hopefully there will be at least one mom listening to this. Just kidding. But if there was a mom listening who feels like she's lost her soul or maybe feels like she can't keep pursuing her goals, um, what would you say to her?

SPEAKER_01 37:11

I would say to not let feeling lost really get to you because I think as a mom, it's not if but when you feel that way. And if we continue to let that feeling like define us or really dwell on it, I think that that alone can hold us back. And so knowing that it's okay to feel lost and it's okay to have sad or bad feelings about you or your kids, like that's normal in my opinion. And sometimes I think it makes it harder because when we do have those thoughts, then we put shame on ourselves, and so then it makes it harder to come out of it, and so something that I like to do when I'm having those moments is to really just soak in what's happening around me and try and find like three things that I'm grateful for, and that really helps pull me out of it in that moment because obviously there are things that you could do to help yourself over time, but if we really focus on sorry, we really focus on motherhood. Um if we really focus on the the time that we're in and the presence, then I think that ultimately that's going to improve us and improve our feelings long term and just taking it moment by moment.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

So good. I there's I feel like I'm just being continually reminded of the power of being present, you know, just not getting too far ahead or not getting too stuck in the past. And and and you can make any moment good. So yeah, absolutely. I love it. You're awesome. Chill. Um, if anyone if people want to find you online, where can they find you?

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Um Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and YouTube. I am just feeling fine equally. Donuts and donuts. Yeah, buddy. Donuts are good stuff, huh? Mom's just giving you all the treats so that you whatever we can do.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Um in the show notes, I'm gonna put like links to all of your perfect stuff.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Yeah, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok is what I'm like the most active on, and that also links my website there too. Um, but you can find a lot there. And then my YouTube, I'm kind of just up and starting. Just I have a couple videos up there, um, mostly just like live videos going over stuff. So yeah. She does it all. You are amazing.