Ep 293 | Chaos In Mavin Land

Asake sits down with Korty for a new documentary 

Crayon slams Don Jazzy and MAVIN Record 

Should Rema and Ayra Starr leave Mavin Records?

Sarkodie announce 2027 02 Arena Concert 

And many more 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

What's up, people? You don't know what time it is. It's your boy Toby. And it's your boy Bank. You know what I'm saying? Listen, fam. Fresh of the Bow Show, fam. We are back, bro.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

We're back. We never left though.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

I mean, hey, some people will be like, yo, we left, bruv. You know what I'm saying? I've been getting the DMs and that fam. You know what I'm saying? I've been getting the DMs and everything. Yo, bro. No episode this weekend. I'm not thinking. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Hey, listen. Someone asked me, I said ask Tobes. Not me.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Whoa, bro. Wait, wait, wait. Man, I mean, I mean, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I traveled, but but what do you mean by axtubes? Like Tobes traveled. Oh, come on, bro. So so this is the way you would have just sold me out, bruv. If the police was asking you, if the police was asking you, yo, who committed this crap be like axe Tobes? What kind of shit is that? What kind of shit is that? My guy just sold me out just like that, bruv. Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Honestly, yeah, yeah. For weeks, I was like, it's coming, it's next week. We're doing it. You know, we even shot a thing, but it didn't come out the way we wanted to, right? Yeah, yeah. So now said to me, Yo, where's the episode? Have you guys stopped pod? I was like, no. Oh, actually, topes travel, that's why. Did you get it? There was a legit reason, innit? It's like, and to be fair, you traveled. So I was like, okay, let me just use that because that's the truth. Yeah, but I wasn't lying.

SPEAKER_02 1:29

That is the truth. Nah, but it's kind of like the way you said it, axe topes. Bro, you you can have just said your your life traveled and never fit, bruv. What do you mean by ax Tobes?

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Torbes was somewhere shaking bomb on living life. He was living life.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

He was living life. Listen, hey, I'm never gonna talk life, bro. I'm never gonna talk too much at everything. Yeah, all I'll say is, yeah, whatever you do in your life, yeah, make sure you take a trip to South Africa at least once in your life. That's all I'll say. I'll just keep it at the end of the background, you know. Bro, that place now listen, it was a good trip and everything. Totally enjoyed it. It's one of them places where I'm talking about South Africa now, that we can know that.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Yeah, you get me like Saudi Saudi, it's it's one of them places where it's just vibes, bruv. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

It's just vibes, I'm telling you. Every day, every day, it's just vibes. That's what they do over there. Because I've never been to South Africa. Well, I've not been to Cape Town, right? Because that's where I went to. This is like my first time. But you know one of them places where you've always like you've been hearing, yo, bro, you need to go here, you need to go here, you need to go here, type thing. Yeah, I'm saying so. Just going there for the first time, and and I was just I was there not not for like not for like a long time, anyways, which I kind of wish I did, you know. But it was a movie, bro. Fam, when I came back, I slept for three days, bruv. Three days straight. Knocked out, knocked out, bruv. I'm not even kidding. You get me? I got back, I got back on a Friday, which was a good move for me. Because if I got back on a Sunday, I would have been so messed off at work Monday. You get me. So I got back on a Friday, Friday morning, had a shower, yeah, unpacked my stuff, bro. I said, okay, let me just take a little nap. That was all she that was all she told, bruv.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Yeah, man that she rose.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

You get me. That was all she told, bruv. You know, but but I'm not gonna lie, it was a good it was a good time. It was a good time, but I kind of I missed doing this though. I'm not gonna lie, I missed doing this. You got yeah, man. Yeah, bro. Miss the fans, obviously, you my guy as well. You get me, but but yeah, what bro fan? We're back now, bruv. You get me?

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Oh, yeah, we're back, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If not for the fixture change, you know, I would would be, you know, we'll be live in the flesh, but you know, it changed my time to 12 something. I was like, huh? 12 skinny.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Listen, what's going on here, mate? Some some of us still still still have a job and everything. Some of us still have work to do, and all that. You know what I'm saying? That is the reason why we are working. That's the reason why we're working to make this a full-time thing, bruv.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

I'm a I'm a billionaire, guys. I don't do nothing. I just stay at home, send people to do my bidding, you know. I'm a I'm a billionaire, guys. Man, I don't need to do this. No walla, no walla. No hala, bruv. Before you know that, no blind. Send as a look. I'm joking.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Send as a I'm joking. This guy start taxing you and that, bruv. You get me, this guy taxing you quick, yeah, man. But yeah, man, listen, it's good to be back and all that. You know, come on. If you're not subscribed to the channel, do that right now. Subscribe to this channel. We have the audio on Spotify and we have the audio on Apple Podcasts as well. You get what I'm saying? So subscribe to the channel and also follow us on socials, bruv. You get me.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Subscribe, my people. My people, subscribe to Apple and Spotify. That's it. Well, lie, will lie to lie, just subscribe, my people.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

Well, yeah, bro. You are getting this thing, right? Bruv, that stuff is it's coming out of you, bruv. You you get in this right, fam.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Those are my guys, man. Malo brothers. Uh man, you're gonna love them. I'm telling you, bro. When they start to tell you, my my friend, hey, my brother. Ah, what lighter lie I'm not gonna like. This guy is on it.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Yeah, that's probably on it. What light a lie?

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Yeah, it is the what light tell you.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Yep, he's telling the truth. He is telling it true, bro. You you don't know, you don't know that my man is probably leading you astray, bruv. Trust me, leading you astray. My guy's about to sell you, bro.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Oh man, but it's good, been a good break from um Afro um Afro Beats. It's been a big good break, you know. A lot of things haven't really happened, bro. It's been slow, it's been slow. It worked out well for us. It worked out well for us. You see the impromptu um hiatus? It worked out well for us.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Absolutely, absolutely, because this last couple weeks have been very, very quiet. You know what I mean? It's like it's like every it's like everybody's kind of walking around um eggshells and that. Nobody wants to cost no drama. You get meat everywhere, exactly. Everybody were everywhere was peaceful and that until until hey, a couple days ago, bruv. And what happened a couple of days ago? I mean, hey, should we talk about it?

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Come on, let's get right straight into it. That's what these people are here for, man. Yeah, that's what they're here for. Do you know what?

SPEAKER_02 7:06

Do you know what? Before we get into the drama, before we get into the drama, yeah, I sat down this evening just before we started, and I was just scanning through YouTube and that, yeah. And I come and I I came across um Courty. Courty's documentary of Ashake. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, bro, that is one of the best documentaries I've ever watched.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Yeah, man. It's nice, it's very personal.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

I like it. Oh my god, it was so beautiful, it was so beautiful, so original, yeah, so natural as well. And the chemistry, I mean, the the both them were flirting galor. Yeah, man. Even though we know that, yeah. I mean, you don't know anything.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

You do you know anything? I know. I know, bro. That's not Ashake. Come on, Courtney is not Ashake's type, you know. Maybe Ashake is not even Court's type, so it's not like it's one-sided, you know. Tell me more, bro. Tell me more. You know what type of uh you know what Ashake likes. What does he like? Tell tell us what does he like? He he's a top lad, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 8:25

Yeah, yeah, top gazer, bro. Yeah, top, top man.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Listen, the finished as well, right? Doing the documentary at there, film. I'm gonna say that, bro. Listen, I'm still outside, bruv. You know what I'm saying? I'm still I'm still in the streets.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Yeah, of course. Again, I love the I love the chemistry. The chemistry for me was more of like really good friends, you know. The chemistry was like that genuine thing where women, uh a man and a woman will be like, oh, we're friends, and you can see it like, oh yeah, this one's their friend. Nothing is ever gonna happen between these two. That's literally what the chemistry was to me. Yeah, you know, I the the the flirt, the the flirting was very, very platonic. And I love that kind of you know, that kind of relationship between two genders that are of course opposite. And I really liked it. I think it was very personal, great storytelling, you know. Um, yeah, good stuff. And I shake it, it's a very like uh things like this actually suits him, and it's a smart move, you know. It suits him because he's not really a great talker, it's not one of the guys that you know things have changed in his life. So I love the way Courtney brought that out. You know what?

SPEAKER_02 9:34

You know what, bro? I'm not gonna lie to you. Yeah, you made a very great point because I think one thing about Ashake has always been that we don't know him. Does that make sense? Like, like I understand, obviously, you know, saying some personal things in your songs and all this kind of stuff. Yeah, that's cool, right? But the thing is, it feels like he just came. Obviously, we we know his story, he went to uni here and all this kind of stuff. But it feels like he came, became this bigger superstar, right? But people don't really know the real him, if that makes sense. Facts.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Yeah, there's no lot of interviews out there, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

And and most of the interviews out there, they probably just talking about the music and just glazing him and all the you know, all those sort of things, you know. Five, yeah, and you can tell that the English language as well, you know, um restricts him from actually really expressing himself, if that makes sense. Exactly, exactly. You go I mean, so just watching this and communicating in Eurobar, he was truly himself, he felt very comfortable, and also he's and and also he's comfortable with the lady as well, Cody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and she brought out the real him, you get what I'm saying, on camera. And the way he was just expressing himself, I'm like thinking, bro, this guy, you can tell the reason why he's where he is today, he is actually very smart. He's a very smart guy, he's a very smart dude, and and you can tell us well, he's very um in was it was the word introspective, yeah. You can say he's very introspective as well, you know, and just hearing the story, the relationship between him and his mom and all that, and also the the the whole story that's been floating online that him and his dad are not really that close and all this kind of stuff, whatever. And for him to say, listen, dude, the same level of love I've got for my mom is the same level of love I have for my dad.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Stop the cap. Stop the cap.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

I should stop your nonsense. Me this year, bro. I ain't got time for that. Yo, you're you you're calling everything out, yeah? Brother, I'm calling everything. Bro, I've lost all respect for the genre in a sense where there's a lot of things that people let slide. As much as the in the like way, like wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Wait, like war. Like, like war.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

No, no, no. We're gonna get into it, but I'm just saying in general, I feel like the the documentary was really great. You already know how I feel about Shake. I I at this point, I genuinely think in the last 10 years, he's been the greatest artist that come of Nigeria. That's me. That's what I think. Yeah, because his rise, his meteoric rise, and his um what's it called? His level of relevance has been so important to the genre, it's unbelievable. He stayed true to himself and he's taken his true self to America, he's lived this dream. Like this guy's not an imposter, you know, he hasn't got imposter syndrome. So for me, there's nothing else in the world that anyone can say about Shake. Clearly, I've been to all his concerts, I've done it. Right, there's no I can speak as Shake's songs. Well, you know, I'm a fan of his music, right? But we can't sit here and say you genuinely the same love you have for your mother. That's not true because we're human beings, we can't love everyone equally, it's impossible. Yeah, if you just left it as yo, I love my parents, uh, don't go straight, but I get where it's coming from, so that's the only cap I'm calling, bruh. Brother, we know that's not true, bro. Come on, your mom, you know, had you for nine months, bro. Moms are special, man. Yeah, let's not do that.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

And and also you you can tell from the way the mom was talking as well, like the relationship that they have and all that. And I believe, like, he's like the only child or something, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 13:19

I think from his mom's i'm I think uh yeah, yeah, from the man and everything.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

And you could tell, like, because of his personality, right? Because obviously, apparently, you know, he he always got in trouble and everything. He's a knucklehead and all that. So she always she always has that at the back of her mind, like, yo, okay, this guy is big, he's traveling around the world. Obviously, I'm not around him all the time and everything. Yeah, I hope he's okay. You get my point.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

You said something that was that's true. You did say something there that made me realize it's something I've always thought to myself as well. You know, when growing up and your parents are like probably strict, or they're saying something to you, or whatever, however, it is that they carry out their own form of discipline. You you start to think to yourself, oh, these people are being harsh, they know whatever the case is, but it's actually um what's it called preparing you for the future, like it's a personality molding, I would say they're molding you into someone that I know they're not probably doing intentionally because that's what they're used to, you know, they're used to the basketball slap, you know, all of that stuff. But for you, it just helps you as you get older, you start to do certain things and go, oh wow, I'm just attached to it now. Do you get it? So it's like what he when he said all these things that you know, you know, stubborn and growing up and all that stuff, that a lot of the things parents were saying at that time it was like oh whatever, man. But now, as an older person, he's starting to realize those things were like they're coming in, they're coming to fruition. It's like, oh, okay, this wasn't that bad after all. And I rate that, you know, it's like me as well now. Like, you know, growing up, they'll be like, ah, you can't drink, you can't smoke, you can't drink. Now, of course, I'll drink occasionally, but I don't really go out every time. So that means occasionally it will be maybe once every two months or once a month, something like that. Do you get it? Right. That's because growing up is being knocked into you. Ah, if you drink your this, you'll die. Do you get it?

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

So and I love that I love the fact that he just paid so much um homage to his parents. I just like that. Because we don't get that from all of these artists, you know, they're so far-fetched, distant. We don't we can't relate to them. And I was like, yeah, it's just that guy, man. I love the fact we can relate to that guy, man.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

No, I hear it. I hear it, I hear it. Because, you know, well, on that topic, I could relate to it, right? Because when I was younger, I was a bit of a knucklehead. I was a knucklehead, right? And still. You get saying I was a knucklehead and that. And the thing that usually happens is just like you said, the discipline and everything, you're not gonna appreciate it at the time. But when you now move out of the house, you're older, what usually happens is those things start playing in your head and everything, right? And you just realize, you know what, I've got to be able to move smart now. You get me? It's like they instilled something in you that helps you not to go over the edge, innit? You get what I'm saying? And that's what usually happens, you know. So when he was saying that, I could relate to that heavy, you know, and and to me, that's that's one thing that I enjoyed about that um documentary, it kind of humanized him. Yeah, he did that. You get what I'm saying? Because, you know, this whole time we've always seen the glitz and the glamour, my man on stage, you know, the lights shining bright and everything, but just seeing the way he relates to people around him, just seeing how humble he is and everything, like you don't necessarily have to be on his level, but he still shows you the respect and everything. Like, to me, yeah, I totally enjoyed it, bruv.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

Yeah, I think just to round it up in in the sense where I love the level of loyalty as well. Like, yeah, shout out to I don't know if people watch your bad movies or if you're in in tune or your conversance with the pop culture side of the Nigerian movie industry, you know Lala. Lala is uh is an actor, and the fact that Lala is just not your A-list, not to disrespect, no disrespect. I'm saying it's not like an A-list, B list, or C list actor. And all them times where they were doing the struggles and Lala was there for him, you know. Now Lala is now with him as well. Like, you know what I mean? Is that that loyalty? It's not like he blew up and forgot about all the people that helped him along the way. So shout out to Oshake man.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Big up, big up. Nah, nah, big, big documentary and everything. Absolutely, absolutely enjoyed it. And the thing is, I I could have asked myself, right? Because I've watched um Cody's works before, like the one she did with Tams, yeah, was really good as well. This one, I believe she had one with Davido before, but I think they fell out, something happened behind the scenes or whatever. So I think so. Yeah, so that that did not come out because I believe she kind of released a statement as well regarding that. In my opinion, yeah, I understand, I understand that our artists, you know, everyone is trying to do the international thing, you know, stream, stream with the international streamers and all this kind of stuff. But yeah, yeah, but sometimes I I think documentaries like this, in my opinion, puts you in a whole different light. You go, I mean in a whole different light. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

I shout out to all the artists I've always told this. Uh, that's why I always push for artists to come to go to certain podcasts. I'm not saying everywhere podcast they should go to, because when you start to humanize an artist and an artist is flowing and is jovial, being themselves, they don't have to sell the music to you, you're going straight to listening to the music. Absolutely. Like, you don't need to know what I mean. If I interview Tobes and we're having a great day out, we're chilling and we're bantering, we're laughing. You'll be like, wait, let me go and listen to Tobes' music, you know, because I would like to see if this even makes sense. Let's say you've never heard about Ashake and you watched that uh mini documentary and you liked it, you're straight away going to listen to his music. You're not even gonna think twice. Let me go here if this guy actually portrays what he's doing on how he comes across on this. So, again, artists, not that some of you will listen, but to those that care, bruh, just when you go on a podcast, don't do uh uh brother, be free. Shout out big time. I've never the my favorite ever podcast episode has to be with Shoday. Such an bruh, shout out to my shout out to Shoday, man.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Shout out to Shoday Salute, salute, salute, salute. Listen, man, good one though, good one. You get what I'm saying, and obviously, as that positive thing was happening, negativity will always find its way in into the system, innit? Crayon. I'm not gonna lie, that was one that kind of surprised me though, bruv. Surprised you, hell yeah, it did.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Nah, man, that didn't surprise me really, to be fair. If I except if I just want to lie and pretend, nah. But go on, tell me why that surprised you.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

I mean, I mean, because uh I mean, apart from now, let me tell you the reason why it surprised me. Yeah, it's not necessarily because of Maven, because we've Maven have had some some some drama over the years. You go, I mean, even the recent one with um I call him the one-eyed man. What's his name? Ruger. Ruger was known that Maven. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's kind of like the same shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's the proxy thing. You know what I'm saying? But then also Ray Cardo Banks as well, which he came out and released a statement. Say that one day he's he's gonna sit down and and share his stories and everything. You know what I mean? So um WandaCole with with Don Jazzi back in the day, you know what I'm saying? Like how things have kind of played out in the public. So I'm not surprised on that side, but on Crayon's side, because I can't remember him being part of any drama.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

You got what I mean? Oh, I see what you mean.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

Yeah, I can't remember him being part of any drama. So when that came out, I was like, oh shit. At first, I didn't think it was him. I thought maybe you know, some of those people would just create create some fake news or whatever the case is.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

I had to go, I literally had to go hacked.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

Oh, do you think my man was high and desired to go up? He was hacked. Do you think my guy was high and desired to go up, bro? Because bro, yeah, some of the things that my man was saying was crazy and everything. So, for people that don't know, Crayon was signed to Maven Records, I believe around 20 2016 ish, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Oh Crayon. I think Crayon was like 2018, if I'm not sure. Ish. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Like around that time, but but he came in with the the remnants of the world, and you know what I'm saying? And I've always thought that he was very talented. I've always thought that he was very talented, you know. And but I've always asked the question, like, okay, very talented guy, drops really good music, and you could see that Maven as well, they are working to kind of put push him out there. You know, he's open for like Ira Star and all that stuff. I've always asked the question, why has he not taken off? You get my point now. We never know what's happening behind the scenes, you know, up until now. So Crayon went on X, right? And my man just went off. You know what I'm saying? He literally went off. And some of the bro, listen, and some of the thing that he was tweeting and everything, yeah. I'm gonna read some of it, right? He said, Una collect 200 million dollars, no give me shishi. When I won't use delay payments, kill me. My eyes red. My mama died because of that. Bro, let me let me find some of it because because dude was going off as well. So he started with Don Jazina, my boy. Una the mad. Go go punish all of my mama and a papa. Tegger, highest criminal. So for people that don't know who Tegger is, Tegger is is um, I believe he's like a business partner with Don Jazzi. I think he's the CFO or C O. Or whatever it is, yeah. You go his business partner, yeah. Yeah, so he said, Maven is going down. He continued. He said, Um, I'm pretty fresh at your father's nigga. I'm 6'9 in Africa, real blood, heads go row. I beg make on a block me. Because if you don't know, block me, blood go bro. My guy was going off and everything. At some point, I was reading all that, right? Thinking, yo, someone should check upon this guy. Is he all right? I swear down, you know what I'm saying? Like, I swear down because some of the things that he was writing and everything, I'm like thinking, okay, what is going on here, bruv? You know what I'm saying? You know, and and but what what do you think about the whole situation though?

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Um, I think what it is is because these ramblings, in this case, his tweets, uh, they come across very disorganized, so we can people can dismiss it easily because it comes across like a crazy man. But again, like they say, there's no smoke without fire. You know, if he wasn't hacked and it's truly him, and maybe he's like under some sort of substance, or maybe it's being he's maybe even sober, then we need to take into consideration not everything he's saying is entirely true, but one or two things that you know has got you know some sort of credence to it. Like we need to give it some, you know what I'm saying? Because for me personally, I've always thought to myself, Maven already, as soon as they sign that guy, Cupid Season, bro, that was like a replacement, bro. It's like a football club, you know when someone they sign a player that's that's that plays like you, acts like you, brother. They're trying to tell you, brother, it's time for you to go. You don't even need to be told, you know what I'm saying? So you're getting shelled. Yeah, personally, on that same record label, they have Baiani, they have um what's it called? At that point, they had uh what's the name? Crayon, uh Boy Spice. That's like three people that kind of make the same sort of music, same type of music. Yeah, it's ridiculous. If I was Maven, again, uh people were well, you're not the expert. That's there you go. You know, we're not the experts, we're armchair, um armchair experts. The truth is, I would sign Magics, which is already there anyway. Magics is probably to me the most talented artist in that record label, but hey, we'll talk about that some other time. Magics, you have one. Magic's no one sounds like him. Then sign Crayon, yeah, cool. Then you have Ira, Remmer, and Johnny Drill. So you have five distinct artists, just leave it at that. Everyone serves a different purpose, you know. Crayon will give you your lambar type of you know, cheesy kind of songs, cool. Rema will give you your grungy, edgy, dark type of song. That's cool. Ira will give you your pop, RB, that's cool. Magic will give you your ballad, RB, leaning towards pop, that's cool. Johnny Drew will give you country, bro. If anything, you covered all the facets or all this all the scope of the so-called music space. Or they just signing play, brother. They just signing. So, in my opinion, I think the kid is not the kid, sorry, but the the man is really hurt, really, really hurt. I mean, he's still grieving, he lost his mom. You know, he's cut his hair from the dread to low cut. So that tells you that he's in another space now. I listen, I'm not trying to say what he's saying is true, but I'm looking at it going, it's true, you know, brother. You've been there for a while, and you had your moment, which was like how many years ago? Is it four or five years ago? That song, um, hey, song that was really viral. Is it La Balaba? I can't remember the name of the song. Um, he had a dance challenge to it, it was really big, you know, and we all thought that was this moment, but as you know, in this space, it's always a moment, it's never like a you know what I'm saying? People move and people, yeah, jump say, but I just think we need to give him grace. The guys go through a lot, man. Because it's not easy, you know. Everyone is saying you're really talented. He's okay. I'm not gonna push it and say is that like the way they're saying it, like, oh, he's the real one, not Rema. I'm like, brother, Rema proving Rema is like they whatever they invested into Rema, he's paid them back in folds.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

I'm seeing online though. Yeah, sorry quite you off, right? But I'm seeing online everything. Did he really write the maybe and um I'm not sure though? Calm down.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

No, I'm not sure. I don't think so. Because because I cannot see everyone tweeting that. Oh no, people just brought people just writing things. Even Andre Vibes, the guy that produced Calm Down, said no, no, no, no, no. He didn't do that, it was all Rama. That song is all Rama, right? And I believed it's the whole song that can't baby calm down, gives me vibes of Rema. Yeah, yeah. Now, not to say, not to say that um Crayon didn't contribute maybe outside the studio. They probably he probably did because they're they they are good friends, you know. But in my opinion, I think Maven have not really handled his situation properly. Like I said, he had a moment four or five years ago, and I think he didn't not you know evolve into what everyone thought he would become, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 29:34

So yeah, the whole situation, right? When I look at the whole situation, you know, it kind of made me a bit sad. Let me tell you why, right? First of all, I don't have any information, you know, but just looking at the whole music industry in Nigeria, right? When because you mentioned why is Maven signing all these people, like you have so many people under your umbrella and everything, right? While you can just have maybe five, four, five people with with with different distinct sounds and styles and everything, and just invest in them and everything. It kind of made me start thinking, okay, when we actually talk about signing and everything, yeah. What is the signing like? I like that. You get my point? What is the signing like? What is the signing like? Because I understand, because I always use this reference point of Ashake, right? He was in an interview and he talked about how he got assigned to Olamide. Right? I always say if Olamide was a bad person, oh my god. Ashake would have been food, yeah, bro. Right? Because a lot of these people, they don't understand. I'm not trying to shame them or whatever the case is, because I mean I mean, this the the the environment is what the environment is, right? A lot of these people are trying to make it, they are trying to make it, they are looking for opportunities and everything, right? And then then they see, oh listen, oh my god, I'm gonna sign to maybe. Oh my god, bring bring bring bring the contract. Let me just you get what I'm saying? So they are not even looking at the business side of things, they're just looking at oh my god, like you know, my my my helper don't come or my help, yeah, yeah, yeah. You get me. So they are looking at it from this person is helping me, they're not looking at it from this is actually a business that can either make my life or ruin my life. You get my point, right? So, because if you watch that interview with Ashake and everything, he said, bro, that the Olame gave him the contract. He told Olamide, listen, I don't want to read the contract, I just want to sign this shit. You get what I'm saying? So when I look at some of those people and they say, Oh, this person got signed and everything, in my head, I'm thinking, what are we actually talking about when we're talking about oh signing? You know, you know, because what did the contract say? What did you get? Did they just dash you a house in the car, and and and and now you're excited and everything, they're paying for your ticket and all. You get what I'm saying? Because from the label point of view, I'm putting up money trying to invest in you and trying to make I I want my money back. Absolutely, you give me. But a lot of these people sometimes are looking at it from you know, a favor. Oh my god, like my helper don't come. This is Don Jazzy. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, and yeah, yeah, yeah. And and I'm not saying that Don Jazzi is reaping none of the I that's not what I'm saying, I don't know, but I'm just saying, you know, understanding how the psychology works over there. You get my point, you know. So when I now look at him, and I've always said this five, ten years down the line, a lot of these artists are gonna be crying and telling their stories. I believe I believe we we we almost saw one from Charlie Poppy. We we all we almost saw one from Shea Y Vibes, yeah. You go I mean, and then now another one from Crayon, we saw from Ruga, you go what I'm saying, so it's a lot of this stuff happening, you know. The only thing that I didn't like about this is we have a culture of always trying to side with the rich and the powerful guy without without knowing the intricacies of whatever the issue is, because I saw a lot of the media heads and everything bashing crayon. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 33:53

They want to be invited for private.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Exactly, and to me, I didn't like it because unless they they have some information that the rest of us don't have and everything, but if you don't have the full information, why you're already bashing the guy and and trying to demean him, right? Cool. Do I like the fact that he came out and started tweeting all that stuff? No, would I do do it? No, I wouldn't do it, right? But we don't know what the man is going through, just like you said, like bro, he lost his mom as well. He probably has a lot of pressure on his shoulders and all that, you know. Exactly. So for a lot of these media heads to come out immediately bashing him and everything, saying that he's not appreciative of what has been done for him and everything, and this and that and that, bro. The label is doing what they are supposed to do, they are not doing him a favor, they are supposed to invest money on the guy, they are supposed to push him out there, pay for his tickets and everything, try to make him a star. Now it is on him to be a star, you know what I mean, and and obviously recoup the money and then start making his money. It is a business, yeah. So when people are saying, oh no, he's not been appreciative, and this and that and that, fuck that. It's it's a business, bruv. You get what I'm saying? And and and if he feels like he's been done wrong, he's entitled to speak out how however way he wishes. Now we can disagree with how he's going about it, but if he's really old money and he and he's not getting his money, bro, he he has a right to lash out. I need my money. You dig what I'm saying? That's true, you know. But the thing is, for some weird reason, we always want to side with the rich and the powerful all the time, but just like you said, we do that because we want to get invited to the parties and to the shows and and have them on our podcast and everything. Like, to me, to me, that's not good. You go, I mean because in this situation, right? Crayon might have a reason, Maven might have their own reasons and everything. Like, you know, we don't know, we are not on the inside and everything. We can comment on it, share our thoughts and everything without actually disrespecting the nestman, if you get what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

Yeah, I I think the reason why the so-called media houses or maybe people that should be that people that should be more inquisitive are not being inquisitive is because we now ever since people have ever since they've had to break down the meaning of the relationship relationship between a record label and a potential signee, ever since they were able to break down the meaning of signing a person, since as soon as people got the um the concept, ah oh you're being ungrateful. Look at all the money, blah blah blah. They spent on you, blah blah blah. But before back in the days, they used to be like, oh, this is the record labels are evil. So now that people finally found out that oh, it's like a loan, so they're loaning you something and it's like a mortgage. Now you have to pay, pay, pay, pay before you can then own your freedom. Kinder. This is what exactly I like to say to people, to be honest, about the situation. You know, in Andrea, there's a thing called freedom, where an apprentice will work under someone, and when your apprenticeship is over, they'll do like a big celebration. Those those people watching this will go on to it. They call it yeah, they call it freedom, right? Okay, and that's the concept that should apply in the record label. So shout out to Alamide for doing it right. I've always said, if um, what's his name? If Ashake signed with anyone else, he would never be this prominent. That's facts.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

Which is the reason why in in a documentary or whatever, he said, bro, bado will always be bado to him.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Oh no, bado forever, bado forever. Whether I'm the president of Zimbabwe ore.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Because because if Ashake looks back, you know, he will tell himself the truth that bro, if this guy was an evil guy, I'm Ashake stepped right into that trap. You got me because he was desperate and everything, like he wanted to make and everything. He he uh Orlamida would have raised him.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Bro, if I've been real, I think Remar hasn't even hit, he's not really hit his peak yet. No, of course not. Ira Star should be way beyond, bro. They the prototype is Ira Star. The whole thing Tyler is doing, it's is a bro, they've looked at Ira Star and they've gone, oh, we see what this is here. Let's use that, bro. That's literally it. The only difference is Ira is the is on the darker side, she's on the darker shade. That's it, bro. I just I feel like because people just sucking up to Maven, so no one's gonna tell the truth, man.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

I've no, no one is gonna I've always thought about that, right? But I've I've not really wanted to say because because I didn't want to make everything about skin color and race and everything, but you are you are absolutely right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Bro, everything in life is all about what the things people are hiding away from. Like I said, these years we're calling things out, bro. This year we're calling it out. The fact is, Ira star is a prototype to what Tyler is at the moment, and that's facts. Everyone, anyone that knows music, understands how it works, you know what it is. And Tyler is very talented, so that even works well, that works in her favor, right? And I feel like um what Ira is doing now, I don't think they're playing up to our potential. It's like getting, it's like when Bruno Fernandez was playing DM for Man United. He wasn't at his best because that's not his best position, you know. Like I wanted a uh a record label like a record label that is kind of linked with UMG to have built upon that Remas, is it a crime? That song came and went, bro. That's up, bro. That song that's a trap. That's a travesty. That's possibly one of the best songs to be released in Nigerian music space in the last 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

That song, in my opinion, sorry, bro. That song, in my opinion, yeah, should be doing what Calmdow did. That song, thank you, bro. That song is crazy. When I heard when I heard the the what's it called again? The the preview of the song and everything, I couldn't wait for the song to drop. I was like, bro, this shit is crazy. And and it surprised me that the song did not just catch on. You know what I mean? Like, it was surprised that I like I was thinking, okay, is it because of the reference to to Sade, or or is it like they didn't really put a lot of money behind it?

SPEAKER_01 40:51

A lot of it money, like do we do the calm down? Because calm down is the cheesy song. Like, let's be real, it's a cheesy song. It worked well, it fits the whole um rhetoric with Rema trying to break that pop ceiling amongst his peers in Nigeria. But outside that, bro, that's not the song I I would want to replace.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

Baby, calm down, calm down. I've never liked the song, I've never liked the song personally.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

I've never liked the song. The reason I even liked it is because of Selena Gomez. I feel like Selena Gomez added something, but I've never been a fan of that song, you know.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Easy the crack, bro.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

That song, oh my god, bro. So, and obviously, Maven is known for pushing cheesy song anyway to the because what they cater into is for the people that would um not necessarily challenges, but if you look at that twin two for 2014-15 thing where um what's his name? Don Jazzi's jumping uh it's cheesy, bro, and it's so that that era should never happen again. And that's the that's the style with calm down. If you think about it, even though because Rema is talented and Rema thought, let me let me do my way, bro. He would have done another Janta Manta kill and die. It's horrible, bro. You know, do you think and that's yeah, go on.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

Do you think do you think that Rema needs to get off Maven?

SPEAKER_01 42:22

Oh, yeah, 1 million percent. Get to the next level. Remar needs to leave Maven. Ira needs to leave Maven, bro. That's facts, magics, bro. You need to leave Maven, but you need to, bro.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

But Ira is working with Ron Nation now, though, which is part of the reason why she moved into New York.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

I know, but she's still under Maven, though. So it's a rock nation slash Maven thing. Do you get it?

SPEAKER_02 42:44

So yeah, but she's working with with Rock Nation. So what is the difference?

SPEAKER_01 42:50

What do you mean, what's the difference?

SPEAKER_02 42:52

Like, okay, cool. Yeah, she's still signed to Maven. I get that, right? Yeah, but but she she's now signed to Rock Nation as well.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

So, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Rock Nation handles the marketing, yeah, the PR, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

Yeah, so so I don't think signing under Maven should be a problem. I think Rock Nation should be able to take heart to the next level, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

Okay, but this is the problem here Rock Nation and the people that run the company, are they Nigerians or Americans? Uh okay, what does that do? Everything, right? So they would see it from their own context. Do you get it? Right. So it's like when I come to your house, the way you would treat me is not necessarily, of course, it's gonna be like, oh, I'm hosting this person, but a lot of things are gonna be kind of, should I say, influenced by the way you live in your house, right? Do you get it? Right. So if you're gonna serve me juice, you probably would serve me the premium juice you have in the house. You're not gonna serve me some random type of juice. You already have that in your fridge. It's like, oh, do you want this? Do you want water? Do you want this? Right? So what Rock Nation are only gonna do is obviously Maven are in charge of the song, the processing of the song, right, songwriting, blah blah blah blah blah. They'll now ship it to America. So for them to do the marketing, for them to do the placement, for them to do the you know, going to the studio and all that stuff, they're not in charge of what type of song she drops. Do you get what I mean? Right, yeah. So that's why you saw Maven, sorry, Maven, Don Jazzy and Tegar in the office. One there's a clip like that I watched a couple of a week ago, so they were vibing to the Ira Star song.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

The only thing is the only thing is, I just hope that Rock Nation one day don't come out and start telling Ira Star how much Maven ooz are because they they are known to do that shit.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

They are they are you got me? Yeah, they are known to do that shit, bro. You get me, you know, they did that to make the stalin, they did that to Lil Uzivert, they did that to somebody else, yeah. Um yeah, bro. Like they are they are very good in telling you how much your label owes you and how they can snatch you away from your label, bro.

SPEAKER_01 45:13

Exactly, and this is why you can tell from her last song, it wasn't that bad, but people are saying, oh, this song did not bang. This no day, because the reason why it did not bang is because it was a try hard song. That's why I call it try hard. So you're trying to make a song that you think would break into the American space because of what's happening with Afrobeat or what isn't happening, yeah? And the writing is so geared towards the Americans. Which song are you talking about? Uh uh this latest song that's a very good thing. Oh, the latest one that she did. Yeah, so the the the the what's it called, the rhetoric, the verbiage of the song is very American, right? The thing she's saying is what an American will say, so you can tell that whoever is writing for her in Maven or wherever she is, uh they're like, Oh, you know, the marketing and the push is gonna be done by Americans. So, what we need to do is make sure you write it this way so that when we're pushing it, it's an easy sell. We need to be able to sell it to whoever is listening to it, right? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And that's what I think. Uh in my opinion, I think that yeah, if if anything, she should leave Maven. Leave Maven because these guys need to be doing what they need to do. Like, we need to see. Uh uh I understand why people sign to record labels. I get it. It's easier in that sense. Oh, of course, of course, of course. Of course, you know, it's like um I always say record labels are like your parents, you know. They brought you into this world. In this case, obviously your parents brought you to this world, but we'll just skip that bit. Yeah, you know, I mean, they do everything for you. You need to do is just have a shower, eat, go to bed, go to school, come until you become an adult, you know, then you find your way out. Yeah, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

I I believe, I believe, I believe it was Noriego doing an in um I believe it was a podcast or whatever, I forgot what podcast it was. And they asked him, What does he prefer? You know, signing um signing to a label or being independent. He said, bro, all they sign to a label, bruv, because it makes everything so much uh easier. They are booking your flights, putting you in the best hotels and everything. So I get it. And some people might hear you or hear us and everything, and say, Oh, why why should we say that they should leave Maven, right? And and all that kind of stuff. Like, to me, it's not anything against Maven, really, you know. But when I look at okay, a good example is Whiskey. When when Whiskey was assigned to um Banking Banking and everything, you go I'm saying at some point, you know, our labels can get you to a point. Yeah, you know, it can get you to a point, but but but now for you to break through and go like worldwide, if you want to call it worldwide or whatever, right? You kind of have to. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 48:01

Yeah, labels can be limiting, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

To be fair, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

Yeah, and um, I don't know, let's just imagine like obviously I'll create an imaginary beef. I'm some runner record label, and I don't really like Maven, right? Because I'm someone of a record label. Now, if an artist in your record label is so dope, and I have an artist in my record label that is so dope, and I know if they both come together, rah, the music space will shake. But because we don't get on, that guy is not gonna feature my guy. That's facts. Yeah, so that's limiting, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, and the reason why WizKid was a was um Wiz Kid was able to pivot and you know do what he needed to do is because he's not attached to no record label, so now everyone is judging him based on him as an artist. Like, okay, cool, I'm working with Wiz Kid. Not I have to go through the red tapes, then I have to say to you, nah, none of that nonsense. Do you know what I'm saying? So a lot of times it's uh you know there's pros and cons to it, you know. So, but in my opinion, anyway, I just think those two artists, Ira and Wiz, um Wiz, you know, Ira and Rema have gotten to a point where they hit the ceiling, yeah, they need to leave. So then now they need to now leave that space for that the magics, the boy spice, so they can now focus on those people, in my opinion. But yeah, man, shout out to them, though.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Yeah, absolutely. Because wait, when you look at um Rock Nation now, they are putting Ira star in different rooms and all that, you know, inviting her to the parties and everything. So, so nah, you're definitely right, you know, because when I look at Remer, I I definitely think that he has kind of hit his peak when it comes to the situation that he's in. In yeah, he's doing suit a label in the um, I think he's come to a point where he kind of needs to step out and become his own person and make his own moves.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

Facts because Burner Boy with David Doe, they have a partnership with whoever record label they had they with, right? It's a partnership in that sense, right? So, yeah, just do that. I think Rema is one of the greats at the moment from his obviously from his generation, he's now at that place in that he can sit on the table of partnering with a record label rather than being signed under them.

SPEAKER_02 50:11

But yeah, man. No, you're absolutely right, you're absolutely right. You know, um I'm gonna ask a question. Did you see the um the tweets from DJ Vlad in regards to terms?

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Vlad has been smoking a new strain of weed for the rapper. Vlad has been smoking something that we're not sure about. Wait, you you don't agree, wait, you you don't agree with my man, no? Brother, come on, man. That's a that's a very stupid take. I get it, people are excited. I get it. Maybe at that point he was wanking himself and he thought, oh, let me just say something. It makes sense, but brother, come on, man. Let's let's not do that. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 50:49

Some people are probably gonna be wondering what we're talking about, and everything, yeah. Um let me see, because I don't want to misquote my man and everything. But my man compared Thames to to um what's her name again? Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

Um Lauren Hill, isn't it? Lauren Hill.

SPEAKER_02 51:14

He's high, bro. He's high. But but you know what, I think I understand what what he's trying to say though, bro. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 51:23

You don't understand. Of course you get it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, you don't understand what what what my man was trying to say, no? Okay. Read if you read the tweet, let's let's let's critically dissect it. And you tell me if what he's saying is not someone that's just maybe he he hit his head on his fridge and started to start to say nonsense. This guy dropped on his head, man.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

Wait, wait, so so he said, he said, um, what he tweeted was for people who aren't old enough to have experienced Lauren Hill in her prime, temps is the closest thing to that. Then he continued. And and then he continued, and then he continued and said, Yes, as many replies, no. I'm aware that Lauren Hill also raps, but at the end of the day, it comes down to the songs, and I truly feel that Thames catalogue is now on Lauren Hill's level. I would put Adele in the same category as well. Wow, you know, bro, listen, bro. I don't like the fact, yeah. I don't like the fact that because it's Thames, a lot of people, yeah, right, yeah, right. Bro, bro, Thames is her. And no, and the thing is, wait, wait, hold on. And the thing is, I also think that part of the reason why he's saying it, why is because Laurie Hill obviously she sings, she raps, you know, and she's good at both of them. She's obviously a legend, she's great in her rights and everything. But when you also look at Thames, especially the last album that she dropped and all that, right? She was singing, and and also one of the tracks, she actually rapped as well. She actually rapped, and no, no, no, no, hold on. Oh my god, bro. Oh my god, the disrespect on terms, bruv. The disrespect on terms. Wait, wait, hold on. Why do you lawyer? Why do you guys these disrespect terms like this?

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Go on. How is this okay?

SPEAKER_02 53:31

Let me understand how is this disrespect? Go on. Why wait, wait, wait, wait. Why do you guys feel that terms cannot be compared to Lauren Hill?

SPEAKER_01 53:42

Okay, there's a difference being compared to someone or being adjacent saying to someone that you're close to. That's that's the difference, mate. If you say, Oh, guess what, guys? Um, Thames reminds me of Lauren Hill, and then you elaborate, it's different from you saying the closest thing to come on, man. Let's not I like Thames, like again.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

This is why wait, wait, wait, okay, cool. I I like Thames too. You like terms? Great, let's keep it on the side. Why do you think Thames cannot be compared to Lauren Hill? Why she can't be compared, it why do the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

Look, Lauren Hill at some point was an activist to an extent, right? Lauren Hill has a classic album that is critically acclaimed worldwide. Lauren Hill, bro.

SPEAKER_02 54:28

Come on, should I be going into this? Bro, forget about the activist thing. I I get the activist thing, I get it. Salute to them. No, no, no. If you say you're close, we need to start bringing everything that makes you look close to the thing. Okay, cool. I believe I believe that what Vlad was talking about was the talent and the music. Okay, the talent and the music.

SPEAKER_01 54:48

I'm not gonna lie, as talented, as beautiful, and as amazing, Thames is Vlad should shut up and never ever say that. Ah, bro. I disagree with you, bro. I disagree with you to Laurie.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

Bro, Laurie Hill only has one album, bruv. Yes, the album can be. Yes, yes, it's a classic. Yes, it's a classic, but you know what? Thames has clear Thames also has a classic songs as well. Yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Classic songs, yep, yeah, and this is before the world line knew who Thames is. I I believe, I believe she she does. Yes, but are we being objective here? Because no one can tell me that. No, no, no. I'm being I I am being objective. I I'm on a step, bro. I I can put Thames Yeah, on a level with Lauren Hill. I'm sorry. I think the I think the reason why people look down on terms is because of where she comes from.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

Okay, okay, you're adding variations to this, you're adding bits. No one looked down on her, no one said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I personally think that's disrespectful to Lauren Hill. Very disrespectful to Lauren Hill. Now, if in five years, with this, if with her trajectory, I swear down. I personally would say, you know what, maybe Thames is even greater than Lauren Hill. Brother, what we're doing, how long has Thames been in the scene? And we're doing come on, man.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

Yeah, but Lauren Hill. Yeah, but it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

Bro, if I was Lauren Hill, I'll come out and I'll say the truth. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm a fan of Thames, I love Thames, but if it's okay, can we not do that again? Can we can no one bring my name next to anyone? Bro, bro, bro.

SPEAKER_02 56:33

I understand the longevity conversation or debate, yeah. But sometimes, yeah, when someone is so great, everybody can say from the jump once the person comes into the league, this person is him or her. Yeah, when you look at terms and everything, yeah, in the short period of time that she's been around, yeah, the awards that she's won, the classic songs that she has and everything, even her first project, yeah. Um, what's it called again? Um for broken ears. That's a classic project, bruv. That's a classic project. I mean, look, look at the songs on there, and this is big before she became this Thames that we know of, and everything. And I'm not saying it because I'm biased or whatever. Yes, I love Thames and everything, yeah. But I'm honestly speaking, there are a lot of artists that I love that if you bring them up, right, and and try to put them on the same level as well. Chill out, I mean, you are tripping right now. But Thames is really hard, and and and I don't think it's far-fetched, right, to say, yo, Thames, Lauren Hill, the same conversation. I hear it. Obviously, obviously, Lauren Hill is a legend. I'm not taking nothing away from her, she is a whole legend.

SPEAKER_01 57:58

But when I just said I just hope that people comprehend and understand what nuances are. Just because someone says, let's not do this, don't mean we're talking down and don't mean we're saying she's not good. Listen, I know possibly the greatest. No, no, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the people that will listen. You know, you know the people that are gonna voice. I get you. Um, hey, again, I just pray no one smokes or drinks to come online to be saying things like that again, ever. Let's just keep it that way. If that's the case, then Ashake is the closest thing to Michael Jackson. Oh no, come on.

SPEAKER_02 58:31

No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, bro. Fab, Fab, yeah, but you're tripping now, but you're bugging. I know, bro. You're bugging that, bro.

SPEAKER_01 58:41

Ashake is the closest. Why? Wait, so are you telling me Ashake doesn't have classics? Michael Jackson has classic, Ashake has classic. Ashake danced is Michael Jackson danced. We should go back.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

Fab, you're tripping, bro. Yeah, yeah, you're you are being ridiculous right now, bruv. Okay, you know exactly what bro. You know exactly what everyone is talking about. Fab, when you look at Thames, bruv. If Thames was from the States, yeah, it would it would have been she would have been out of here, bruv. She doesn't even need to be out of the state, she's out of here.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

I just want people to understand.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

She is take anything away, bro.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

She is really, bro. She's how many years has she been in the scene, bruv? The awards that that she's won, right? The people that she's wrote for, right? The people that she's collabed with and everything, and the songs with with Drake and Future and everything. In my opinion, she made that song. You got me? Yeah, she made that song, and that and and that song is out of here. You get me? I believe the song even won a Grammy or something like that. Yeah, it did. Yeah, something like that, right? The awards that she's won, bro. She's written for Rihanna, like the people that she's worked with, she's different, bruv. You get me? Like, I don't think it's far fetched. Like, I don't think it's far fetched.

SPEAKER_01 59:55

You said what? Yeah, I said I think we're circling around awards, right? For me, all I care about, to be honest, is the impact. Lauren Hill is so impactful, yeah, that it's so crazy that you speak to an older person that don't even listen to ever. I know be Lauren Hill, but you're like, what the what strong in my pain with this thing got? I swear, Vlad, God punish you everyone. How dare you, like, bruh, God punish you. Oh my god, bro. Man, you know what? Thank God for like the family, the people she's around, Louis Hill is too cool, man. Because this disrespect has to stop. I keep telling people if I was an artist and you compare me to same people, I don't care how great this artist, I'm gonna be so upset. Shout, shout, shout out to you.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:49

I mean, hey, listen, listen. All right, cool. I hear it. I don't think I saw people going crazy at Vlad at everything. I was like, I'm not thinking, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

Yeah, man. I hear my man though.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:59

I hear my man, I hear it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

I understand he maybe has been paid by someone, not no one around in terms of this um camp, you know, because these days it's not the camp that actually do it, it's just like a massive fan reaching out and saying, Vlad, you know, have you heard these terms? And you never know what box someone is ticking. So, hey, he just tweeted that, okay. And we just like, all right, cool. So, what you want us to invite you to a jalof party or something? What's going on?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:26

Love me, yeah, love me, gender. All right, cool, man. I hear that, I hear that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

But before you you law you love, you're gonna wrap up on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:36

You lot keep on playing my girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:38

You're not to remember. No, no, no, no. No one, bro. Them. I'm not gonna lie. If you're talking about top three at the moment, I'm sorry, man. Thames is number one, man. I know she doesn't do Afrobeats, but if we're like trying to say African artists, Thames is unbelievable. Number one, all her songs have got substance, all her songs can feed generations. Everything about her is just look at the business move, the team, bro. She's just like, yeah, she's not, she's not one of. I always say she's not, she's never been Afrobeat, she's not one of us, and I love that for her. Yeah, but you see that Lauren, forget Hill. Lauren, hmm, Lauren that acted a movie. Oh, I'm getting pissed, man. Now just when I think of it, I start to get wound up. Lauren that did a movie, bro. Lauren, oh my god, as a teenage, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

Time will tell time will tell. Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. I will bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:31

I will remind you, man. I'll remind you, man. I'll remind you. I told you already. I say in five years, if we're gonna do a maybe music or blah blah blah, but we're saying to someone the closest thing. Do you know what that means? I I think these people speak English and don't even know the meaning of what they're saying and don't understand. The closest mean, bro, we have to bring you so you'll be like, rah, it's true, you know. This is a knockoff one. This is original. We can't tell apart. Lauren that was in a movie. That what do you know how many millions of people have watched that movie? Bro, the five. She's gone ahead to rap, she's gonna head to sing, she's linked up with the bro. She's a legend. I'm not taking nothing away from her, but Vlad. If I see Vlad, I swear the way uh uh gather boys beat Vlad.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:16

Oh, what a what I hear that, I hear that. I hear that. You like people hating the Tibs and that, bro. You gotta be you like people hating the tears.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:26

No, I'm just gonna tell the truth this year. I hear that. I hear that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:35

I beg, I beg. I beg a makeup.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Yeah, I mean, my judging do organize my guy, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:51

Some listen Michael will never be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:59

I beg bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:06

Now listen, hey, shout out to everybody, man. Everyone doing their thing in that film. And talking about that film, Governor finally cut one, bruv. Governor finally cut one. You go, I mean, it's been a long time coming, and all that they deserve, they deserve a clap for this one, bruv. I'm not gonna lie, they deserve a clap for this one. I'm talking about Sama Cody. My man has announced his 2027 all to arena concert, bruv. It's been a long time coming, bro. Why didn't he just do it this year then? Oh, listen, bro. Ah, fam. Then it need to do marketing for this one, bro. You think this is easy? This is you're talking about 20k, bro. My guy, my guy needs to drop an album. He needs to bro. My guy said, Why don't you do it this year? You think it's easy? That's a reason why. That's a reason why not everybody's trying that, bruv. They need a whole year for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:18

Shout to my guys that did it within a year, man. They don't need a year to do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:22

Oh, come on, bro. Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:26

Come on, bro. We didn't need a yeah, we did it on a you get me. My brothers are there, they did it on the wing. You get me? No, I'm joking. Outside that, though, of course, the people in Ghana compared to Nigeria, of course, there's like a massive difference. We know that. But shout out to him, man. For even what first rapper in Africa to ever do it, man. He'll be the first rapper.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:46

Yeah, he's gonna be the first rapper. Nothing. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, he's gonna be the first rapper. I was just thinking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what? When I saw when I saw um Shopsey in Ghana. I believe it was around December. And he was on an interview and everything talking about it. Right. And I believe he said, yo, Ashikei, um, I said Ashike, um, suck, you know, they they need to step out there and everything, be confident, and all that. Like, I've forgotten how he phrased it, but he was talking about the whole two thing and everything. I said, you know what? At that time, I didn't really think too deep about it, but in my head, I said, Is there something in the works happening? You get me? Like, I saw I saw the video online and all that, because a lot of Ghanaian um content creators were reposting and everything, you know what I'm saying? And to just see this, I'm happy for Ghana. Let me tell you why. Because I think they just needed to see that it's possible. You know what I mean? Like, because a lot of them make good music, but they are not risk takers, they just want to be in that comfortable spot. You know what I mean? Make their music, hopefully make their money, you know, cater to their fans and all this kind of stuff. You know what I mean? They don't want to step out like the way some of this Nigerian artists do. Like, you get what I'm saying? Like, step out there, take risks. If it works, it works. If it doesn't work, it is what it is. You get what I'm saying? You know, and I think they needed, you know, in a situation where you need one person to show you that it is possible that it can be done. This is that situation. You got what I mean? And I believe, and I believe slowly that their artists are gonna start stepping out to do that because when you look at someone like King Promise and everything, I'm not saying that King Promise can do the O2 or whatever, right? But King Promise should be able to sell out a 10,000 person venue in the UK. He he has the hits, he has the collabs.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

No, no, I'm just listening and I'm going, nah, because again, they don't need to see someone of their ilk do it, man. If Nigeria can do it, they can do it too. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:16

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If Nigeria can do it, yes, but it's different when you see your own your own person do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

Absolutely, but let's be real, like the market, they don't have a big say in the market. That's why most of them are not coming out to do it. And let's be real now. I don't know if you listen to the new songs coming out from Ghana. They've so much from the younger artists, anyway, they've so much condensed the way bro. I miss my old Ghana music, man. This now they're trying to sound like Nigerians. The only person standing out proper is Black Sheriff. You know, Black Sheriff shouldn't be the only one that you can hear the soul in what he's making. You know, yo, um, what's his name? Olive, Olive the Boy, Kojo Black, they're all sounding very similar. They they use the nostril to make music. That's not gonna pack any stadium out. Why? Because Nigerians already have a plethora of Nigerians sounding like that. Do you get it? So it's all like a jumbo, like it's mixed up, you know. So on top of that, you're sounding like a group of people that have um a lot of fans or people that will come out to see them, and there's nothing that's differentiating you from those people. So, of course, if you pull up a show, you're not gonna get a lot of people coming out. Why? Because most people will be like, I hear that sound, I hear it all the time. There should be something unique. The reason why Sakodia can pull this off is because Sakodia is unique, bro. Bro, once you hear Sakodia, you know that's him. If if we're like face to face now, I oh I swear I'll play you five, six songs that all Ghanaian song, and I'll tell you, I won't tell you they're Ghanaians, I'll just say, Oh, who do you think sang this? I promise you, you you might guess maybe from the accent, but at some point you believe that all right, this Nigerian guy singing, or bro, it's just that's the thing, it's deeper than what people think. People think, oh, they're risk, they're not just they don't I know they're not the loudest people, and they're like, Oh, they're not risk takers. No, it's because they know that the product is not as authentic as it should be, anyway. I think confidence in the in the product.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:18

I I I hear you, I hear you, and in some way I agree with you, but then also I also think the confidence as well and taking the risk also plays a role because when I look at someone like King Promise and when I look at someone like Black Sheriff, right? Black Sheriff was the guy, in my opinion, the the prospect was there, you got me to get to the next level and everything, but for some weird reason it felt it felt like he dipped. You go, I mean, King Promise has the hits, he has the hits, you know what I'm saying? You know, everyone is waiting for him to get to the next level as well. You know what I'm saying? And the thing is say whatever you want to say about Nigerian artists. Nigerian artists are willing to take the risk. It might work, it might not work. I will try. Right? But Ghanaians, because of their personality, because of their nature, they've always had this where you know they make good songs, but are they willing to put the money behind their career or the music? A lot of them are not willing to do that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

But that's that's what I was trying to say.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:35

Yeah, which which it takes money because there's always been this criticism about Ghanaians that some of them don't even want to pay for like influencers to to help push their music, or some of these TikTok people to help push their music, they want everything for free. You get me like that has been the whole thing on social media. I'm not trying to rain on them or something, you go and but a lot of people have been saying that, you get what I'm saying, you know, because we all know this music costs money, right? So they always want to stay in their comfort space and everything, but I believe that with Sack doing this in their mind, in the mind of some people, they're gonna be like, you know what, maybe this is possible now. In reality, would they be able to pull it off? That's a whole different conversation. You go I mean, that'll be a whole different conversation. But when I look at the the re-emergence of people like R2Bs now, you know, when was the last time we heard that R2B is coming to London to do show? But I believe I was crawling the other day on social media. They they are coming to London now to do shows because of their song is bubbling now, and a lot of people are going back to check on them now. You go what I'm saying, you know. So you have R2B's, you have Shatterwale, you know. Some of these people might not be able to do the O2, but they might be able to do a 5,000-man capacity, some of them might be able to do a 10,000-person um capacity, who knows, or some collabs and everything. You get me? Like the person that I'm waiting for really is Black Sheriff, you know, because I really like the guy, but for some weird reason, I don't know what it was, but my man just dipped again, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:15

I don't think it dipped to be fair, because I'm a massive fan follow his obviously his music and stuff like that. Um, last year he was at the Shepherd's Bush, O2, Shepherd's Bush. You know, he had a show. He's always been out and about, he's always having his shows here and there. It's the the only thing is the algorithm.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:33

It's not pushing him out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:34

Is that what it is? It's not not necessarily. It's like the people people the people most of us follow are not in the same rooms as this, or with these people that like your black sheriffs and stuff, you know what I mean? So black sheriff has been number one in in Ghana for the past how many weeks now? He's like the top artist on their charts if they go by charts, right? And there isn't any none of that Nigerians saturating a chart anymore. Those days are gone. Like, yo, Ghanaians are doing their thing. So I get what you're saying with the risk, because again, you know, Ghanaians are very easy-going people, they're chill, they're very like uh lethargic in how they see things sometimes. But the truth is, it's purely numbers. They pay their what's the called um what's you called uh influencers. You know, some of the biggest influences on TikTok are Ghanaians, bro. They they the push from Ghanaian music from the influence is crazy, bro. So, like I said, again, it's numbers. Nigerians or Nigeria would always swallow Ghana, you know what I mean? It's we're like triple their size and number, you know what I'm saying? So over here in the UK now we have over 80,000 going to 100,000 Nigerians, who knows, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:47

So if you bought the bigger, yeah, but that's also a huge, but yeah, but that's also a huge population of Ghanaians in London.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:53

I know, but still Nigerian population double or triple that as well. Again, true. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:00

True, but but then also because because obviously we don't know how how many of them are in the UK. I think this show being the first one in the O2 sack representing Ghana, I think, I think is gonna get sold out, bruv. Oh no, no, no, 100% they are gonna troop out. I think they're gonna troop out to support my man.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:21

Yeah, it's not just only the Ghanaians that go, the Nigerians will go. Sack is a legend, you know. Just for his status alone, people will turn up. Do you know what I'm saying? It's not like he's dropped one banger recently. No, these are legacy acts that people respect and love, right? So now the new guys coming behind them, what are they doing that's unique? Now, people forget now we're dealing with moments, virality. You know, virality don't sell you tickets. We've seen it over not to mention names, but you've got your how many monthly listeners on Spotify, but you can't sell out 10,000. You know what I'm saying? Your streams are crazy, but you can't sell out seats because there's like economic issues, there are other things people are bothered about. You know what I mean? You need to be a guy that is dropping the substance. Most of the songs you hear from the Ghanaian artists now. What are they talking about? Bomb bomb, my hat, my kudu. It's like making no sense. So people come that people are confused as to why someone like an Ashake can sell out O2 twice, three times. Bro, he can because if you listen to a song, it takes you on a journey. I'm just using Ashake as an example. Listen to Thames, Thames will take you on a journey. Burner Boy, take you on a journey, you know. Forget Whiskey and David because they're like legacy acts now, they're getting close to that stage, right? But I'm talking about these guys that can fill up stadiums, they take you on a journey. No one wants to sit down there and be listening to Bomb Bomb or whatever song that these guys are doing. You're saying Kick Promise, your hits. The hits you have, yes, they're viral on TikTok, the viral on social media. But guess what? Is it in the Nigerian charts? No, they're not even making any ways in there. So already you can tell that coming here to do that, obviously the Ghanaians will turn up, but the Nigerians, you know, Ghanaians would love for Nigerians to turn up to their shows, vice versa. We'll love for Ghanaians to turn up to Nigerian shows, you know. Like they turned up for Olami Day. Yeah, it's Olami Day that they don't understand anything. They're still turning up, right? Yeah, yeah. That's the level of um or what that's the legend level. Same thing with SAC. I might go for the SAC show. I don't understand some of the things. I understand some tweet, but uh, but I don't understand everything else. And I'll be there to vibe, right? So yeah, I just feel like yes, it might should I say, motivate, it will motivate uh kids that are like 15 years old right now, looking at Sack going, yo, this can be me, you know. Because these other guys, your king promise, not saying they can't do it, but yeah, it's gonna be a tough one. Yeah, it's gonna be hard, eh? It's gonna be really hard. But you see the 15-year-old, 14-year-old kid just sitting and going, hmm, yeah, this is me in the future. I have a feeling that I could do it, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:56

But shout out to him.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:57

I'm happy for Sack, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:58

Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, bro. I'm happy for Sack, bro. I'm happy for Sack for sure. You get me, bro. Before we leave, yeah. Have you heard of the new the new project from um Spinall?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:14

Oh no, I need to listen to it today, actually. Bro, it's a whole jazz, bruv. I know, I know. He was playing it, you know, for your Dr. Dre. Bro, it's a whole jazz and everything, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:24

I was I was vibing through it today. I actually like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:28

Yeah, that's good, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:29

I actually like it, but then at the same time, I was thinking, at the same time, I was thinking, I honestly think that we are doing ourselves injustice, right? To you know, not the artists, the the fans and everything. Yeah, you know, this whole conversation, oh, this is Afrobian artists, uh, they are stepping away from Alfred. I honestly think these guys are gone, bro. Yeah, they should all fly, bro. You get what I'm saying, man. I honestly think these guys are gone. You get me? Like, these guys are trying out new shit, new sound, you know, the new song Um Russian, Alejandro Alejandro and Wiz Kid. You got me that that song and everything, like sounded all Latin and all that kind of stuff. You know, the new song of Ashake and DJ Snake, you got what I'm saying, like all these guys they view themselves as international artists. Of course, they are. They get no no no, they are, but the thing is, I think the fans are the ones that have not cut on, like that these guys are no longer quote unquote Afro-B artists, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:43

Yeah, because yeah, because Nigerians, or should I say, Africans, or even human beings, to be fair, we want to be able to own a piece of something. We don't want you to like, bro, it happens everywhere, even with parents. Yeah, when your kids grow older and leave, you still want to feel like you're still in control to an extent. So that's why fans are like very protective of people, you know. It's like, oh, you're gonna leave now. We don't own anything, we we can't relate to it, we can't really boast with you, we can't use you as like some um something to you, kind of um like just a sense of pride, basically. So that's what it is, and I feel like people should cut the fans from slack to be honest. I'll be honest with you. I see a lot of times people are like, Oh no, they're musicians, they need to express themselves. But listen to the guy that is taking time to stream your music. I understand you should understand where it's coming from. Not saying you should listen to what he's saying, listening and understanding two different things, right? Yeah, can understand what you're saying and not agree with you. Fair, so I mean, but just so that way you know can understand. Okay, these are people that are just really protective of the guy of a whiskey that grew up in Lagos that sounds this way. Now he's sounding all yeah, you know, just want to, you know, ah, whiskey don't leave us go. Yeah, you start to feel like damn man, that's how they feel. That's why I said shout out to Thames, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:57

Like the fitness, it's it's that it's it's that parasocial relationship, you know, that exactly that fans that parasocial have with the artists and everything, you know. Because when I really, really look at it, I want the fans to look at some of these artists like the way Chris Fris Brown is. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, Chris Brown will come into Afrobeats, do his thing, go back to RB, do his thing, go to pop, do his thing, go to house or dance music, do his thing. You get what I'm saying? Like, yeah, for example, gunner. So my guy, you get what I'm saying? So that's the way this a lot of these artists are international artists, they don't want to be put in a box no more. You get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:39

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's easier for them men to do it, like your Chris Brown, your gunner, because they're from a place where it's a Western world, right? So they have the freedom to do everything else, and that's their sound, kinda. So when you see the African guy, you know that's his you want to put him in a box because you're thinking that's his sound. We want him to represent us, but brother, that guy don't fly, don't bro. This guy's a gun, bro. This guy's an international accent, bruv.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:05

Yeah, I want people, I know that I know that obviously um I don't want to make uh assumptions, but I would but I wouldn't how am I gonna say I don't want to make assumptions, but I know that this project might not be appreciated. But I I also want people to really sit down and just listen to Renerfim, bro. It is a vibe.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:31

It reminds me of now, it won't be appreciated. Yeah, in five years, six years, people be like, ah, you know, that's yeah, yeah, it happens.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:38

It reminds me of when um Andre 3000 went and did the flute album. Oh brother, that was that was nonsense. Let's not do that. No, I'm not I'm not saying that that it is nonsense, but I'm just saying just trying out new shit because spin off.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:55

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I thought you meant that good, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the books, we need to flog him for that. But I love that expression, but you see, he could get away with that because he's done he's done a lot, you know. He's legend, you know. Yeah, but yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:10

Just just sort of expressing yourself, yeah. Of course, expressing your acting of expression, you get what I'm saying, and and I think that's part of what this artist are doing right now. They're just expressing themselves in different ways now. You know, I mean, they are not, yeah, they are not locked to that Afro B sound no more. Yeah, I love that man. So so I absolutely love that, and all and also Remar is saying that listen, he's coming out soon. He's he's gonna be dropping some things.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:36

Whatever he was writing, can he speak in English, please, brother? This is this guy's man, they do too much. Man's writing, like, bro. The people you're writing to can't even understand what you're saying. This one I'm saying, bruh. I I read it, I understood it, but I'm trying to think to myself, some kid somewhere, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:55

It's it's art, bruv. It would say to you, it's art, bruv. You gotta say, they would they will tell you, they'll they will tell that you will not understand that that they are in their elements, bruv. That's what they're gonna say, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:09

You gotta say it's one of the dumbest elements ever. Because think about you as an artist, like your core fans, you know where they're from. Speak in a language they understand. That's number one rule first. You know, that's why politicians will always win when they come out to give you rice. That's input for me. Because they know the number one rule, your belly. There's that's they know, they know. So as an artist, I would speak in a way where you'll be like, oh man, I love this guy, man. It's always like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:36

Talk to the soul, and I hear that, I hear that, I hear that. Well, listen, we are waiting to see what my man drops and everything. You get me? And and I keep on saying before we leave, bro, umalay. I saw somewhere that he was offered several seven several thousand euros or seven hundred thousand pounds for for a fan to listen to his album. Stop the cap! Stop the cap. I read that shit. Yeah, I was like, you know what? I don't want to call this a cap, but hey, I don't know, it's a cap, man. Stop the cat. I don't know. It reminds me of the whole Wu Wu Tang clan album West.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:19

That one that one was the guy even came out. I've seen the documentary. That one, I believe that yeah, Lady come out 700,000 over what I said, what you get me, and yeah, I saw that ladder.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:31

I was like, you know, well, if it's true, good for him and everything, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:34

But maybe maybe it was 700 um dollars, 700. Someone forgot and added a few more zeros.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:42

You got me. Like I thought I was like, you know what, if it's good, good for him and everything, bro. You get me, yeah, man. I like my everything. He's he's one of them people that do the whole introspective artistic.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:54

Ah, that guy's a gimmick, gimmicking, man. Just gimmick here and there. Gimmick, brother, drop the album, let us vibe.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:00

We want to hear that shit, bro. You got it. Yeah, yeah, fam, it's been a good conversation, bro. Yeah, it's good, been good, man. Yeah, it's been a good conversation and everything, and I hope um we are back in the studio soon. Yeah, definitely. Back in the studio soon, and there you go. I mean, we we obviously too. There's our first day back and everything, so we decided to drop this and all that. You go, I mean, and I hope, and I hope the people appreciate it. If they don't, yeah, man, that is their walla. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man. You know what I'm saying? Listen, yeah, salute to every single one of y'all there, man. You already know what time it is. Please is your boy Toby and your boy Banks. Subscribe to the channel, leave a comment.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:42

This year we're telling the truth. Stop the cap, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:45

Listen, you've been telling the truth this whole time on this shit, bruv. You gotta say, so I hear you on that. Still, I hear you on that. Yeah, you gotta be no go.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:53

Please, if you know, if you have Twitter, please follow us on the FOTV community. Community, follow us on every social media platform you see us, and yeah, man, yeah, it's right there, man. Yeah, it's right there in the comment section and everything. And also, stop asking uh where's the pod. I want you to be sending me a list of people you've sent the pod to, so we know that yeah, this guy's one of the soldiers, yeah. He's always pushing it, you know. Exactly. You know, don't be greedy, don't just listen to this and close your foot, brother. Share that thing, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:25

Post it up, you know. Exactly. And also, this is the year that that we're gonna start making money from this. You know, I mean, because because a lot of people, uh a lot of you law out there are so demanding. Yo, bro, is the pod not dropping this weekend? But but when we tell you guys to donate to the to the machine, you lot don't want to do that. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:43

Yeah, so so this is the year that we need to stretch in some things out, bruv. Yeah, we need to start doing you know what we need to do? Well, after I'll tell you something key. What do we cut off offline?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:55

I I I cool, all right, cool, bro. All right, cool. Listen, people, until next time. Salut, salut, salut, salut.