Ep 294 | Label Moves

Wizkid and Ayra Starr dominate at the MOBO Awards

Composer behind Disney’s The Lion King iconic “Circle of Life” chant takes legal action against a comedian over a controversial translation. 

Afrobeats Music legend claims Asake needed the backing and structure of YBNL Nation to truly blow. 

And Many More topics

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

I was watching the verses yesterday, yeah. I was thinking, bro, I don't know when are we gonna get like a proper Afrobeat one though. P Square was on fire. But when I look at them right now, yeah, I just wanna just punch them in the teeth.

SPEAKER_03 0:32

After 2020, he had that big song, it was big. Everyone knew that song, and instead he's struggling, everything just went down. I feel like Afro Vitas did because um the genre in itself, what we're exporting to the world, isn't things with substance.

SPEAKER_04 0:47

T Wall, she is a performer, bro. People need to go watch the mobile world thing, hot energy, bro. She's singing, she's dancing, like everything is well put together. She looks good on stage.

SPEAKER_03 1:01

Terms is gone into the scene sounding like a Western artist with that very Nigerian cadence. You soon, gang, gang. What's poppin', guys? What's popping, man? What's happening, my guy? You good though? Nothing much, my bro. Fam, we're back again, bruv. We're back again. Well, like we never left. We're back again, like Nash.

SPEAKER_04 1:30

That's a whole fact. That's a whole fact.

SPEAKER_06 1:35

That's a whole fact. We're back again like it can be. You gotta be back again like it can be. You gonna say turn around. You are here another week, another thing, bruv.

SPEAKER_04 1:50

You give up me. That's a whole fact.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

This guy a woman, five and six.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

You don't no no no guy, you are woman of five and six, bruv. I said you are a woman of five and six.

SPEAKER_06 2:15

Charlie, you it's too like a woman. You know what he's doing, you get what I mean, fam. We are back though. You get me, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:29

Yeah, man. Yeah, bro. You had a good week though, yeah. Yeah, man, been alright. Your week, your week, bro. My week has been good, bruv. You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, yeah. Hectic week at work, but I'll leave that on the side. Nobody really give gives a shit about my job. So I'll leave it on the side and fee, yeah. But music-wise and everything, bro. Listen, I think the week is ending good, bruv. One of my goats, one of my goats did this listening party last night, bruv. I don't know if you watched it. Can you west? Oh, bro, come one of you. That's that's my goat. That's my man, bro. I was up, bruv. I was watching that shit, bruv. You get what I'm saying? I'm like thinking, I was watching that thinking, yeah. When are we gonna get to this level of creativity, bruv? You get what I'm saying? Like, I am so tired. I am so tired of artists, you know, just come to the club and say, Oh, I'm gonna do a listening party. They they just high hire place and just play music and everything. I mean, it sounds good and everything, you get what I'm saying, but the creativity that goes into what this guy is doing, you get what I'm saying, and then and then also, and and then also he sounds like the old yeah, you got me the old Kanye West. He did, he did, you know. You can tell that he's motivated, you can tell that that cancel the cancel thing that they did to him and everything, yeah. And then now he's sort of on he's apologized, yeah. He's that's the real apologies, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you got what I'm saying. So you can tell he's motivated and everything, bro. I was watching that shit last night, I was fucking happy. And then I don't know if you saw the the verses between Tank and Tyreek.

SPEAKER_03 4:06

Brother, you're talking to music man. Come on, man, bro.

SPEAKER_04 4:09

You got I mean, I've had a good week, bro. I I'm not gonna lie, I uh on that front, yes, you're right. I've had a good week. You got what I'm saying? Lit yesterday, I was busy, older, and then just woke up this morning, also, like some new music drops and everything, bro. Listen, it's been a good week. I'm not gonna lie. As a music lover that that I am, right? Because I kind of feel like this last couple weeks has been kind of slow a little bit, you get what I'm saying? Yeah, from the Afrobeat front, right? Yeah, from the Afrobeat front as well. Yeah, you get what I'm saying, but but yeah, to your question, I've had a good week, bro. But I was watching the verses yesterday, yeah. I was thinking, bro, I don't know when are we gonna get like a proper Afrobeat one though?

SPEAKER_06 4:57

But we're global though, we're global though.

SPEAKER_04 5:11

No, I was thinking about that yesterday, bro. You got what I'm saying? When are we gonna get like a proper Afrobee one? You know what I'm saying? Because we kind of need that, you know. Unfortunately, bro, even if even if we get like the banch, like some some of our legends, who are we gonna pair with the banch?

SPEAKER_03 5:36

So wait, are we doing it on the same public um platform? Yeah, as the one time, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:43

This gotta okay, this gotta occur again.

SPEAKER_06 5:45

This gotta wait, hold on. Wait, hold on, bro.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

Are you laughing?

SPEAKER_04 5:56

Shut the front door, my guy. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, you're you're laughing. Why why are you laughing? Why are you laughing?

SPEAKER_03 6:03

Because um versus is built on equity. Afrobeats doesn't have the same equity as someone like a Tyrese or Tank. Like they have their pockets, right? If you if you watched, if you uh as you watched it, there was no a lot of people, and I guarantee you the views were not the same as let's say you know when versus started with a certain artist, right?

SPEAKER_04 6:27

Because yeah, but that was because sorry cut you off there, but that was because to be fair, at that time a lot of people were in were in the house, people were not doing much.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

No, no, no. You're missing my point. What I'm saying is, even when we came out of the house, right? When it started going live and everyone was allowed to watch it, what I'm trying to say is Tank and Tyrese are not your typical draws, they don't draw thousands of people out, it's only a specific group, like ladies, you know, the ladies and music men like yourself, like myself, and some other people. These are the people that will come out for that, right? Now, if you did a versus of Chris Brown, this Osha, for instance, bro, the internet will shut down. You know this already. Yes, I went into work today and I was saying, Oh, who watched um Tank and Tyrese? They looked at me. Like, what this guy talking about? A lot of people didn't even know about it. They said, Oh, we thought it was next week. I said, Huh? Next week, anyway. And I said to them, Yeah, it was a good show, right? In Afrobeats, they're looking at numbers. You think the banch can pull the numbers?

SPEAKER_04 7:30

I think um um, you can't no no no. I think so. Now you might not get you might not get um um the Americans to tuning or the international machet. You might not get that, but the thing is, the thing is, you know, you you will get a good chunk of numbers from like Africans, like maybe Nigerians, Ghanaians, and you will get that. I think I think we are of the people that are paying for Apple Music though. Wait, hold on. This is what I'm trying to explain to you, yeah. I think to to break into other markets and everything, they have to try that, right? One, two, um you were saying something, yeah. That came to my mind. The reason why Versus does not have the same pool as it used to have is you know, human beings, we are funny, right? When we know that something is original, like raw from the ground, you get what I'm saying? Like it's not it it has not been taken over or bought over by a corporation, right? We tend to support it, if that makes sense, right? So when I yeah, when I when when when versus first started, yeah, it was raw. You got what I'm saying? Like, yes, we are watching it, and sometimes the the service is not that good, but we're still watching it. You got what I'm saying? It's been done on on Apple or whatever the case, yeah. We're still watching it. You got me like this is before it went quote unquote mainstream. When it now went mainstream, and we know that these guys don't really own it no more, they are just the face, right? We're like, you know what, this is no longer our thing, innit? You got what I'm saying? This this is owned by a corporation now, so a lot of people, you know, have to I'm I'm like, I'm done with this. You got what I'm saying? It now went from the love of it, the appreciation, right, to money talks now. You got what I mean? Yeah, you now start having a lot of artists talking about oh, you you guys have signed um a deal. I need some money be if I'm be before I I come up in it. You know what I'm saying? So it takes away the love and the juice of it into now strictly business. You got what I'm saying? Yeah, so I think that's what kind of took away from versus because you can't tell me some of the artists that were coming up there and everything, yeah, a lot of them were like old school artists that a lot of people forgot about, but we hear, oh, she didn't come on my girl, like the nostalgia of it, if that makes sense, right? So, so bro, they even went to Jamaica, they even went to Jamaica and did um the Binyman thing and everything, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but because I think a lot of things the stars aligned at the time. People were at home, people wasn't doing much. This was middle of the pandemic, you know, is this new thing that that started, you know, that we know that it's quote unquote black owned, is raw. You got what I mean? So we embraced it, but then now people are outside, obviously. You know what I mean? We we have seen the news, oh, they were bought over, and then they went into some court problem, and then they took it back, and then it became a corporation thing. You got what I mean? So them trying to bring it back again is quote unquote hard, if you get what I'm saying. And yeah, and you know, so that's the thing. But I honestly think if they do like an Afro-beat one, you know, some of our lens and everything, I think they're gonna get viewership. I do believe that.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

Alright, but let me just say this from my own perspective, right? Everything you said is absolutely true, right? Anything you did during the pandemic would bang because people thought tomorrow wasn't promised. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, maybe I'll die next week and stuff like that. So everything felt like you know, new relationship, honeymoon period, everything was excited. On top of it, if you liked music, you would I don't know. A lot of people do this. Well, when I used to DJ, it's the same thing. You know, when you're mixing songs, you put a song, this, another song, you're like, oh, this is sick. Now, to see that in real life, people doing it in real life, you're like, wow, this is so good. I can't wait for the next one. And um, a lot of people start having influence on who they wanted to see next. So, human beings, we already know once you feel responsible, once you feel like you're responsible for how something turns up or how something comes about, you're very invested, right? Because you know, I remember that pandemic time want to see this person and this person, and a week later, this person and this person does it. You're like, Oh, I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait. Became a thing, right? Now people are out again. There's so many distractions. That's one. Two, we're not getting the people we're asking for. That's facts, you know. The last time we had a banger that was live, that uh I mean post-pandemic was um Kiss, Jada Kiss. And that was just pretty much the best yet, in my opinion, right? Now, the fact that they went to Jamaica, like those artists were the biggest thing in the early 2000s in America, you know, them times. See how now artists want to feature an Afro-beats artist? That's we were the the you know the the the the Jamaicans or Caribbeans for the early 2000s, so that's why they had to go pay homage to those people, you know. I'll be honest with you, this is all about money. That's one. Two, I'm not gonna lie, there's no legend that can draw enough viewership for them. Don't you think? Deeper, don't you think these guys have looked at every single angle about this? Come on, man. They know how fast rising Afrobeats is. They've looked at it like who can we do it with? You'll be surprised. No, the people we want to do with are not friends, they don't like each other. They they're saying they're not gonna come on stage. They're saying, Oh, you have to pay me uh 50 million dollars for me to go and they're like, Are you Jay Z? What the heck are you 50 meters for what? You know what I'm saying? So and yeah, so that's the I'll be honest with you, that's the main reason, man. It's nothing else, it's just that the legends won't draw in the don't pull in the numbers. That's that's facts. How many people can um afford um Apple music or Amazon music? Come on, there's a lot of factors that are going to it. I I don't even want to see it, I'll be honest with you. You wouldn't want to see it, no? Yeah, I don't want to see a D Banja and anyone on that space, that platform. If they do it you know, for on a Nigerian platform, I want to see it. Because there's certain things in life you don't need to take to the Western world to embarrass yourself. You just don't want to do it, you know what I'm saying? Let other platforms cater to it. Now, I'm not gonna lie, if I was like a music exec or someone had the money again, using Don Jazzi because he's the he's the low-hanging fruit here, but not to say it's just him. But let's say Don Jazzi, bro, we'll start our own versus. I promise you, African version versus bro. Oh, bang. You know, at least whatever mistakes we make or whatever things we don't do enough, at least we can we can, you know, um attribute that to the fact that oh, it's just started over here, you know, blah blah blah. We did that with headies, Grammys, we turned ours to headies, you know. Everything we do, we copy them. You know, there's voice um Africa, is it voice Nigeria? There's um Nigerians got talent or Africa's got you know, everything they do, we cannot do it over there, over there. So bro, I just yeah, it's just laughable when you say the banch and someone. But if we're being real uh and want to pair someone with the banch, I think that it would have to be between uh P Square. But that's what I'm telling you, bro. But that's what I'm telling you, though. Yeah, P Square or Two Face. Yes, between the big threes of the second generation that we have to do with P Square and Two Face.

SPEAKER_04 15:18

I don't know. I don't know if if P Square and Two Face they don't really make the same type of music like that though.

SPEAKER_03 15:26

Have you checked out? Um, have you checked out bruh? The subject matter is the same.

SPEAKER_05 15:31

Say your love, no they die. Say your feelings don't die.

SPEAKER_06 15:42

Oh no, bro, listen, listen, listen, bro, bro, peep bro, p square was on fire, bro.

SPEAKER_04 15:52

P square p square was on fire. When I look at them right now, yeah, I just want to just punch them in the teeth.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

I swear down, I'm telling you, you go.

SPEAKER_04 16:02

I mean P Square, P Square, P Square was on fire so bad, right? And then also I kind of feel like they they aged them themselves before they got old. You know, when I look at people like P Square sometimes, right, it reminds me the reason why not a lot of people need to talk outside of music. You know, if you look at someone like Beyoncé, for example, right, they did a good job in putting half the mystic thing. Because when you listen to Peace with them and everything, sometimes where they talk and all that respectfully, you know what I'm saying? But then also, but then also because their their music was so catered to the ladies and everything, right? The way they dressed outside of music, they they you know, they wear the abada and all this kind of stuff, and which which is nice and all that. I get that, you know, it is our culture, but we have to admit that sometimes our cultural attire ages us before we actually get old, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. You got me because that's a different dynamic, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:15

Because whenever they put it on, you know, it shows their age immediately. You just realize these guys are uncles. You get me? Yeah, no, I get I get what you think. You know, because if you look at someone like if you look at someone like Usher, like Usher is an uncle. Yeah, no, big fact, but he still moves like like he he's a young guy. You get what I'm saying? He's still like it's a young guy, but but he does it in a very matured way, yeah. To me, to me, to me, that's how like people like P Square that should have been moving and everything, but hey, you know, it is what it is. Have we done the intro yet, though? Bro, listen, we just having a whole bloody conversation, bro. Well fam, you know what? You know what? They already know what time it is, bro. They need to just go subscribe to the channel. You go, I mean, watch the videos, leave a like, leave a comment, engage, engage, engage because it helps us get into the algorithm and that you go. I mean, you know, the last episode, a lot of people kept quiet, and and I understand that we've been off for like the last three weeks and everything, but I thought that people were gonna be a bit more excited that we're back, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 18:25

But yeah, you know, maybe we should take another break. Maybe we should take another break.

SPEAKER_04 18:28

Yeah, I think we should do that though, innit, bruv. Yeah, you know, um, but but but yeah, bro, is it's um it's been alright. You want to say something?

SPEAKER_03 18:37

No, no, no. I was gonna say previously on the last episode, like a series, you know. Uh previously on the last episode, you know, that the conversation about someone leaving a record label, it cost a kafarful. Oh, listen, bro.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

I know, I know, I know. I saw the comments on everything. I saw the comments and all that, bro. They they did anybody contact. I see some people don't understand nothing. No, oh no, no, no, no, no, no. That is a thing like people people think sometimes with their ass. You know what I mean? People think sometimes with their nyash and everything, bro.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

No, I'm saying I'm over gonna blame them. They are a group of suppressed people and a group of um when I say uneducated, I don't I'm not talking academically, I'm talking about just in pop culture, in how things work. I just want to explain this real quick before we get into the meat and potatoes of this week's conversations, you know. Guys, you know, once you become a full, a full-fledged artist, certified, established, you don't need a record label. Now you need a partnership. Yeah, I hope you know that, right? Because if you mention all your big artists are in partnerships, Kendrick could not wait to finish his deal with bro.

SPEAKER_04 19:53

Listen, I he was the person who I wanted to call right now because during the last conversation, during the last conversation, it skipped my mind and everything. He was a great example, right? Yeah, bro, of a guy who came in under the label TDE and everything. TDE, yep, you know, when he matured into who he is today, right? He left TDE, he sat there PG Lang, but then but then he is still in partnership with TDE.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 20:23

If you're not paying attention, if you're not paying attention, you wouldn't even know that he's no longer in TDE. Facts, you go say he's doing his own thing with PG Lang, him and Baby Kim. Um, his his cousin, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:37

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, PG Lang, yeah. But that's the thing, it's just partnership. But these people, you know, these are hungry. Don't want to sound disrespectful, but that's how it comes across. They're like, Ah, what did this one know? What do you mean if you leave? Like, I'm just reading the comment going, wow, like people are finished people, man.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

Yeah, like people just don't think people see anything from a bad mind point of view, or oh, you what you're trying to break, whatever. No, the thing is at some point we know that we have maximized this relationship. How do we do this now? You go what I'm saying, like, okay, let's get into some sort of partnership and everything, you're doing your own thing, but then also we are working together and all that. Because, in my opinion, when you even do that, that still keeps the relationship going. You got what I'm saying and gives you room to experiment. Exactly. Then when you get to to whatever junction it is, right? And and if the label doesn't want to let you go or whatever the case is, right? Now friction now starts coming in. You got what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 21:38

So, but people just don't understand the conversation that we that that we are trying to have, but most importantly, being attached to a record label, being under a record label could hamper or hinder you having to make songs with some people you really admire.

SPEAKER_04 21:54

Or also the record label as well.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

Oh, absolutely, absolutely, because the record label we don't like that guy. Don't think it's gonna be good for your brand. And you're like, huh? We get along, there's a synergy between us, like the relationship is that. But once you leave that record label now, man, your wings will grow. You can fly as far as you want. Yeah, it's mad. But anyway, that was on last week, one man.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

Yeah, it's just one of them ones. But since we are here now, since we are here, you know, because since we are on the topic of the of the record label, the plan was not to start from there, but fuck it, we're here now, anyways. Right? Oh because we still have a lot of things to talk about. We're gonna talk about the mobile words, whiskey, and and ira star. They they obviously want big, you know. Kenny's music, what he said about Ashake, you know, having signed to YBNL and needing the structure, structure, right? Yeah, to succeed as an artist. You know, we're gonna talk about, you know, obviously, Davido have announced his London show and everything. Um, what else are we gonna talk about? We have so much to talk about, bro. And Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe and and South Africa, I mean, they are fighting and everything. You know, I don't know if you've heard the news and everything. Yeah, they might see you, they gonna say everybody my guy say don't don't play with my work, bruv. Don't play with my work. You gotta say when they send the file in and sue you, this is peace, peace, bro. Yeah, so obviously, we're gonna talk about that plus other topics and everything. You get me? But obviously, since we are here doing the conversation of record labels and everything, did you hear what um D1 Ogumbe of Kenny's music, the legend himself? Did you hear what he said about Ashake needing the structure, the YBNL structure to succeed as an artist? Absolutely. Let's check it out.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

Ashake didn't have YBNL structure, he wouldn't get to where he and a lot of artists find that when it's too late. Yeah, a lot of artists now can just go into the studio or you don't even go to the you have your laptop, you concoct whatever, and put it on Spotify or put it online. So you don't need to structure that exactly. Well, artists make the mistake and think they don't need the structure. Think of the artists that have left Don Jazzi, you know, they are no longer where they used to be. So you need that structure. Uh, it does something for you, it puts your name out there, it the tentacles, the network. You know, um that boche does not make a forest. You need just like a doctor, yeah. A doctor needs nurses. So the prayer is always your kudia kartuadura. You should be more prayerful when you're on top. It's it's it's harder to stay on top, yeah, not to climb from the ground to the top. That's when people start getting in your ears. Yes. People that were not there when you came to us to beg I got money, talent, I have talent. Please sign me. They will now get in your ears. You don't need them. What do you need them for? They will just drop your money. So, what do you think about that?

SPEAKER_03 25:17

No, it's simple, it's the same thing we said um earlier. It's just that people don't understand that. Yes, you need a kick, you need a kick start. It's like when you you you get capital to start uh a business and you grow, you know, that's the structure you need. You need that, you know, that capital to build whatever you're trying to build. And once you get it, you know, if you're if you have enough money, you can repay back the loan or however, whatever format it is that you got um the money through, you can repay it back, or you can just say, you know what, I'm gonna keep using it and I'll build on the interest. And that's the thing about record labels and artists. It's like record labels are there to guide you. Record labels, again, are like your parents, good parents that'll guide you on what to do, you know, go to church on Sunday if you need to go, or go to mosque on Friday, or serve your traditional gods or whatever the case is, build you up to a stage, then when you're ready to go, you know, it's a contract. You go. Well, whether we like it or not, in most countries, your parents are in a subconscious contract with you from the age of zero to 18. You're under their tutelage, um tutelage, you're under their care. And after that, brother, you can do whatever you want to do with small control. Now, remember, in those countries, after 18, you're now in partnership with your mom and dad, or your mom, or your dad, whichever one it is, you're in partnership because now you will be going out when you want, but you tell them what time you're gonna get back. Did you see it? Why before you have to ask permission, but now you're just like I'm going out, I'll be back at 4 a.m. or whatever. That's how these things are, and it worked well for Ashake. Going back to Ashake, it worked well for him. Under uh under Olami Day, Olame Day is an experienced artist, a legend. You know, he was able to guide, you know, and even guard Ashake from a lot of the things in the industry or space that he's not really um aware of, you know. And I don't think that without that structure, uh, I don't think we'll have this ashake we have now, bro. That's facts. I agree with D1. D1 is absolutely on the money on that. Do you know what we would have had Ashake on this?

SPEAKER_04 27:16

Do you know what? I would have said facts, right? This is this is the thing. I would have said facts, but I think our lean to us, we would never know. Right? You get my point? Like, we would never know because we did not see that other side play out. Meaning, oh no, we we did. I did, you know, me.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

I know the cap me, I know they didn't manage uh what the fuck said it in that uh uh what's her name, Courty. He said it. He said after 2020, he had that big song, it was big. Everyone knew that song, and he said he struggled, everything just went downhill, and the reason why, guys, that went downhill is because he wasn't signed to anyone at that point, so he had to do everything himself. So that one viral moment he had he thought I've arrived. No, no, no, that's not it works, my guy. You know, with a record label, a lot of people would, should I say, be owing favors to your owner or to the record label, so they're gonna put you in rooms just to cater to the record label to the owner of the record label. You know, some people had to make songs with Ashake, like on a normal basis, they won't make it with him. But because of Olame Day's relationship and all of that stuff, we had Sumba Remix Burner Boy, you know, we had um what's the name of that song that he did? We've had him after that run. We had him on a whisky, we had him on the David Doe's album, bro. All of these things wouldn't happen if Olame Day didn't have that relationship and they trusted the guy's prowess. So for me, I know I understand where you're coming from, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

But I I hear you, I hear you, I hear you. I I I hear you. I think the way you just explained it right now, I'm kind of leaning more on your side as well. You go what I'm saying. The way I look at it is you know, all these artists, I wouldn't say all, some of them are very talented, right? Yeah, but the next step is uh turning your talent into skill, and that is what a label does, a well-structured label and management does. You know what I mean? It's like having to learn work, innit? You got what I'm saying, doing your apprenticeship and everything. All right, we're gonna guide you, you do this and do that, and do that, and we're gonna also use our relationships and connections and all this guy to leverage this whole thing, and especially at the big at the beginning stage of your career, you need that, you know. And when you see everyone who has been part of a of a well-structured label or management, they have gone on. Most of them, some of them have gone on to do well. You go good stuff, yeah. If you look at someone like Jay-Z, you know, when when he was with um Rock Aware, with I said Rock Aware. Um was it? Rock Nation. No, this is B for Rock Rock Nation. Oh, sorry. You're talking about earlier Jay-Z. Uh, yeah, what was that called again? Uh when he was with um uh no Rockefeller, Rockafella, Rockefeller and with Dev Dash, in it.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

You go, I mean, yeah, with Dame Dash, but there's a record label under.

SPEAKER_04 30:25

Uh, I'm gonna carry um the record label was Dev Jam, right? Dev Jam, thank you. So if you look at Jay-Z then and everything, very well-structured label and well-structured team around him. You go, I'm saying, if you look at 50, the the I'm same as well with Dr. Dre, all that stuff, right? Interscope, yeah, Interscope and all that. If you look at Lil Wayne, like all these people at the beginning stage of their career and everything, they were under a well-structured label that plays a very vital role, right? And that's what um D1 was trying to explain, saying, Yes, Ashake is great, you got what I mean, he is talented as fuck. Like he he is a very great artist today, but we also have to learn that at the beginning stage they had to curate he starling into a skill. You go, I mean, and then when he now learned the work, when he learned the work, when he understood how things are, how to structure music, how to do this and do that, and do that, and all and also get all those relationships, he now was able to now start his own thing, which goes back to the conversation that we were having about who Rema. You know what I mean? Ashake got to the point where he felt that he could do his own thing as well, and then he now did what? He now stepped away, but he still had a real but he still has a relationship with Olamide. You know what I'm saying? So, but it's so funny because when D one obviously said that and they posted that on the internet and everything, I went through some of the comments and everything. People were cussing the man out, uh, you know.

SPEAKER_03 32:15

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are the again, those are the uneducated ones, you know.

SPEAKER_04 32:18

So you got what I mean? So it just kind of looked like a lot of those people think with your emotions or with the love that they have for the artist or whoever it is, and not actually listening to what the individual is saying. And sentiments, and sometimes I feel that that is what kills our our culture, if you want to call it culture, right? There is no room for objective conversations, yeah. You know, it's either you're on this team or you're not on this team, you know. Everything has to be black and white, there is no gray area, you go what I'm saying, and and sometimes when I just I just be like, you know what, I get it, I get why some people sometimes don't don't really want to state their opinion in public. Yeah, but once you turn off the camera, oh bro, they will tell you exactly what they think because of things like this, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:15

No, absolutely, absolutely. Because hey, bro, it's one of those things, man. It's just there's no need to even dwell on it because again, some someone is gonna watch this for some reason. We sound we sound like normal human beings, like I mean, we sound like sensible human beings, right? For some reason, someone else will watch this. I don't know, maybe it's how it's gonna be clipped, even though again you can still get the uh con you can get the context from what we said. That person will still be stupid enough to go, uh, what are you people saying? These days they're just selling mics to anyone. These days anyone wants to have a podcast, and you're like, it's not your fault. I blame the times we're in because I'm not your average user of the internet. Like, I know, bruh. Been in these folks are always on smoke.

SPEAKER_04 34:02

Yeah, well, they're always on smoke. You got me. I mean, I mean, which which to which which to be honest with you? I don't mind the the smoke as as long as they go on YouTube and everything to to to leave their comments. I don't really give a fuck. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they should, they should be doing that. I I don't really give a fuck in everything because I know exactly what I'm saying, I know exactly you know what what I'm trying to convey out there, and everything. And and if they don't get it, it's totally up to them. It's totally up to them. Yeah, and and you know what, and you know what, bro? That is a reason why you know our culture is the way the culture is, and everything.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

There is no room for nuance, yeah, because it's a microcosm of how the the the environments these people are coming from, you know, bad governance, um a one system party. So there's no they don't know anything outside what it is they know, bro. Some people grow up in a place where it's face me and face you, so everything is kind of congested, like everything is in your face, there's no room for you to even express yourself. You can't be allowed um freedom of creativity, bro. So sometimes I only cook some people because I think that they think they know what they talk about. So I have to cook them.

SPEAKER_04 35:18

But they don't know what the fuck about you get, man. You know, nah, nah, bro. It's a good one and everything, man. It's a good one, bro. You know, but before we jump into whether Afrobeat is dead or not, I don't know if you've seen the video from I Abaga, which is a great bro. That was that was a masterpiece, in my opinion, right? Yeah, but but but before we get into that, you know, let's jump into some positivity and everything, and and just and just give uh a one salute boza.

SPEAKER_05 35:52

You go I mean, one salute boza, bro.

SPEAKER_04 35:59

Salute to Whiskey and Ira Star, bro, the mobile awards yesterday. You go I mean, yeah. Why are you laughing, bruv? This guy, bro. This guy, bro.

SPEAKER_06 36:13

This guy, bro. What the fuck, bro? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

Wait, so wait, wait, so you wait, so you can't give them their credit, and then you can't say saluted them in the NFA, bruv. Is that what you're doing?

SPEAKER_03 36:28

No, no, no, no, no. Big big five, big fact. Nah, they didn't have their own.

unknown 36:37

Oh no.

SPEAKER_06 36:42

Oh my god, this guy was kiwi, bruv.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

This guy, you want to kiwi here. Yeah, man. I remember when I was younger, right? Go on, no lie. Go on. I used to run home to go catch catch the mobile awards. Yeah, yeah. I'm talking, yeah. This was like yeah, my teenage days, you know. We've come a long way. I'm talking about the British culture. I'm not saying, uh, so it's funny, them times up until for a while. No, I didn't see mobile awards in you know the Nigerian feed, the Twitter feed. Oh, no one cared about it. Oh no, not no one cared really, but they didn't know about it. So they didn't understand how maybe how prominent it is to the British people or British black British people, basically. I'll say well, over the years, of course, you know, the globalization, internet, and people like just looking for ways to monetize content. So people are grabbing anything they see. That's why mobile has become a thing now in the so-called Nigerian space. Right. So when I saw that, I was just cracking up because best international act.

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Which um wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. I remember all the words, yes, yes, yes. The best international act was won by Ira Star, Ira Star, and the best African music act was won by Wiskid, guys.

SPEAKER_03 38:00

If you don't shut it up, guys, behave yourself.

SPEAKER_04 38:20

Hold on, so you wait wait. So you disagree with the witness, or you disagree with the category, or like what is it?

SPEAKER_03 38:28

I think they got that right in terms of output, whiskey best African act, I think, to an extent, because of last year, bro. This guy was on a wind up, right? It was job, yeah. I get that. The international acts now, guys. Let me tell you something. I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_04 38:46

That was that was one I saw. That was what I saw. I said, Hey, okay, guys.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

This year, chocho cho will pay us. Say, say it me, I'm going to call all your lies. First of all, shout out to Rock Nation. Please take it in, Bosa. Shout out, shout out to Bosa. I love it, guys. This is what happens when you align yourself with top-tier PR company. We sound record label, bro.

SPEAKER_04 39:15

We were having that conversation last week.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

Yeah, they are doing what we call high-level placement. See the way they're placing Ara in different places, bro. You guys will hear it, bro.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

She won, she won over Cadib clips deep it, gunner Kelani had one of the best music, if not the best music of this year.

SPEAKER_03 39:41

We've loaded off your mic, you give me. Don't tell off your mic, off your mic, off your mic.

SPEAKER_04 39:48

Leon Thomas, Leon Thomas, Marina the Scient. Um, Marina the Scientist, the Scientist, Tyler. Over Tyler. My name's coming at the politics, bro. Listen, the politics, bro. Listen, me myself, I'm not gonna lie to you. Yeah, I am not mad at it, like salute to her and everything. You get what I'm saying? I am not mad at it at all. I'm actually happy that she won it. You get what I'm saying? Because because I'm rooting for and all that stuff, but we got to call it how we see it, bruh. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, we gotta call it how we see it. You got what I'm saying? And to me, that is the reason why, like I always say, you know, at some point in your career, you have to look and say, how do I get into the next level? You know what I'm saying? And getting onto the next level is aligning yourself with a company, aligning yourself with with a management company like Rock Nation. That's a whole fact. You get what I'm saying? They are gonna make the calls for you, they are gonna press the buttons for you and everything. Yes, they've done for all their acts. You got me? Yes, yes, you put in the work and everything. Cool. Yes, you gotta look good. Yes, you gotta drop good music and everything. You gotta do what you gotta do, and um, best belief they're gonna do their own part. That's how it works.

SPEAKER_03 41:10

Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

They know who I star is. You gotta say, what the heck? Yeah, you know. So when I had a look on X today and saw Rock Nation post, congratulations or whatever to Ira Star.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

I said, This is their money, their their money, they work. This is how you say let's check, let's check my investments. We paid them, they give them a call, we promise them brunch. I mean, Ira no win, Ira no winker. Are you high? How that's the call they would have called. They'll they'll bro. Imagine they made the mistake by writing Kelani. Bro, first call in the morning is uh Rock Nation. Hello, this is Rock Nation. Hi, can we speak to mobile? Uh hello, hello. Yes, you can hear me. What was that nonsense that you did last time? You know what? Matter of fact, run me back my money. Well, you mad what brother? Nah, I'll tell you, bro. You got what I'm saying, it's gotta be done. Shout out to Ira man.

SPEAKER_04 42:07

Listen, salute to them, though. Salute to them, and that's it, bro.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

Yeah, yeah. I just hope that they don't lie to people and pace on people and tell them it's raining. Like, you can't do that. Like, if we're talking about the national acts, Ira is not next to that, you know. Maybe in the future she might be one, but uh on basis of last year, let's not do that, you know. But shout out to wise kid though, even though even his one is on that question, but uh yeah, shout out to wise kids, do this thing, do this thing.

SPEAKER_04 42:38

Hey, you gotta be, but you know what? Yeah, I was watching T Wa Savage. First of all, T Wa Savage can sing and perform like um with the best of them. Yeah, man. You know, and when I was watching her yesterday, first of all, she looks great, she sounds great. Her stage energy, her stage performance, the way she moves and everything, amazing, right? But at the same time, but at the same time, guy Mandel started the laugh. You and women are fire fans.

SPEAKER_03 43:35

Wait, wait, wait, what? You and women are fire fans. Oh God, finish what you're saying. Let's hear this.

SPEAKER_04 43:42

No, no, no. No, no, like the only thing that that kind of I started thinking and everything, yeah. It just doesn't feel like she hit her potential. And I keep on asking, why?

SPEAKER_03 43:56

What do you mean? I don't understand. You think she's not. She never hit a potential, like she that you think that that's she's gone past it now. So it's like no, I'm not saying that she's gone past and everything.

SPEAKER_04 44:08

Yeah. When when I look at what these other girls are doing and everything, winning the Grammys and all this new guest and everything, yeah. Bro, Twa can stand with the best of them. And we know that. And and and and I'm like thinking, what was it about her that just wasn't connecting? Like, what was it about her that made a lot of people overlook her? What was it about her that kind of made her not be on that level in terms of recognition, if that makes sense? We respect her in our thing, like she is she is she she's she's a goddess in our thing. No one is taken away from her, but you get what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 44:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get what you mean. Obviously, it's just times, it's time and error, in it. That's what it is. It's time and error. I mean, you think so when she came out, yeah, yeah, yeah. At the time when she came out, she was the only one doing it that way.

SPEAKER_04 45:01

Yeah, but Angeli Kidjo is still doing it, though. Anjali Kidjo is way older than all of them, but but she is still being recognized and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

With the type of music Angelique is making, is how Angeli Kidjo's music is very much like Africa, Mama, Africa, we are Africa, you are great. No, no, no, no, no. She's the only one that Lane and few others that are doing that. That's why she's just pushing ahead. Cool. You can't compete with that, bro. Like, that's the that's the major thing that they would love to reduce. And I'm not saying it's not a negative thing, it's great because they don't see us as we're provocative or we want to be skinning ourselves out and looking all stringy with dresses and stuff. They rather have the Angelique Kidd. That's why they we're rewarding her all this time because that's what they want to see from an African act. Your Africans want to hear something that gives us that kind of traditional African, that's what they know as African act, right? Then people, the likes of Tiwa Savage came about trying to sounding like them. So the problem here is no matter how much someone has looked up to you and they're trying to be you, you yourself would find it so hard to kind of um give them props unless they're doing it 20 times better than you, or it's so clear that yo, this person is really good, aka Thames. It's really difficult to deny Temps because if you don't know Thames, you think she's American. Is that not is that facts? Yeah, yeah. If you don't know terms, you say, yo, she's not Nigerian, right? Yeah, cool. So that's what it is. So with Twa when she first came, um, she started with I know do Kele, Kele love, Kele, Kele love. Oh brother, that sounds like a very Nigerian thing.

SPEAKER_04 46:43

So I personally think I personally think that that that um her talent, if you want to say that, her talent was dumped down.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. You go, I mean, so a lot, she wasn't allowed to express herself because she's coming from a place from a musical background, like this woman is music, bro. Like she's that good.

SPEAKER_04 47:01

Because what Thames is doing right now, because what Thames is doing right now from the jump was, in my opinion, looking back, was what Tiwa should have been doing from the jump. If you that's what I'm saying, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

So Thames has gone into the scene sounding like a Western artist with that very Nigerian cadence, you know. Because if you listen to her properly, yeah, like you sit down and go, I want to hear every single note. You can hear it. Uh absolutely this woman is not, yeah, she's not nine, she's not from America, but she's from somewhere outside there. But she sounds so good. Why Twas coming, they made her to do Kele Kele because at that point they wanted to again, they thought she couldn't break into the market there because she was a singer-songwriter, she's done all of this, she's been to those, you know, those um what's it called, music shows and all that stuff. So they wanted to break into the Nigerian market and they did the Kele Kele love kind of thing. Then she got signed to, you know, um uh what's it called? Uh Maven. And instead of them doing something really great with her, they went to they went, they they took our auntie to Ghan sing uh Judan kill and die kaba kaba, brother, brother, brother, brother. Oh my god. And the sad thing is that worked because at that moment, the Nigerian market, people were consuming music in a very different space because no, that did not work. That did not work, bro. No, no, no, that did not work with you.

SPEAKER_04 48:34

No, that did not work, depending on how I look at you and everything. Yes, it kind of worked in our market.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

You go, I mean, yeah, that's but that's if that's what they wanted, but that's it in the market, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:42

But that's if that's your your your target audience. You go I mean, you can't have it.

SPEAKER_03 48:50

Yeah, yeah, they didn't have foresights. They of course the foresight now in hindsight, they'll tell you we had foresights, we wanted to build it up. But what what they did to her was dumb her down, make her just very relatable. They wanted to make her relatable to the Nigerian market. And I'm talking about the people that were listening to Boomplay or um what's the call, Audiomac. They wouldn't, they were not marketing this woman as someone that you know premium artist, bro. Like I said again, Tiwa Savage doing Janta Mata, Kelandai, Kabaka. Bro, bro, that is terrible. Like, let's not lie, that's terrible. Absolutely. And uh on on top of that, she did really well. She broke out of that somehow to make songs, the songs that she would like to make. But then I'm not gonna lie, it was a bit too late.

SPEAKER_04 49:32

It was ready too late. It was it was ready too late because because bro, when I look at Tiwa right now, yeah. Twa, she is a performer, bruv. People need to go watch the mobile world thing. She is a performer, yeah. Her energy, bro, she's singing, she's dancing, like it everything is well put together. She looks good on stage, right? If people doubt me, people need to go watch that performance that she did for the real family last year as well. Like, she has it, like she can do the whole dancing thing, and also she can stand and just sing for you and all that. You get me, and and to me, it just kind of you know, it's a bittersweet situation for me because I'm rooting for and everything, you know. But then I look on the other side and all that, I see all these new girls, which is great. Like, I'm rooting for every single one of them to win big and everything, you know. But then I'm thinking, okay, what is it about Tiwa that gets everybody to overlook her? Like, is she blackballed? Like, what is going on? I kind of wish that bro, I kind of wish that I can speak to her and everything, you know. Obviously, obviously, she strikes me like the type that's not gonna say much right now that she's still active. I think when she finally retires, she's gonna open up and then write write a whole book. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but but I think but I think you know, whatever happened, I don't know if it's for her own doing or the industry and everything, but I I think we kind of missed with this one.

SPEAKER_03 50:59

Yeah, no one has given us more moments, no one has given more moments more than Tiwa Savage. Tiwa Savage has been involved in different scandals and still has been able to come out of it unscathed, yeah. To persevere, she's different, bro. She's just different. She's like my again. You already know she's in the big three, she's not number three.

SPEAKER_04 51:20

I think I think we we definitely we we love her, you know what I'm saying? That's just what it is, yeah. And um, because we know that she's not the type that is out here do we doing the madness, like she's not looking for trouble, she's not a fighter like that. You got what I'm saying, like she's just a sweet lady from everyone that I know that know her. She she's she's a sweet girl, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, you go. Um you a woman of five and six. Oh my dear.

SPEAKER_06 51:48

You a woman five fancy. All I did was like some meeting. That's how gonna say that's a gonna say to like some bro, you were saying something about foresight, right?

SPEAKER_04 52:24

You were saying something about foresight, and what came into my mind was the video from Emma Bagger in regards to he believes that Afrobeats is not dead, but Afrobeats is badly made. We failed Afrobeats, yeah, yeah, yeah. We did, we did. You get what I'm saying, and which kind of leads to my thing when you mentioned the word foresight and everything, yeah. Yeah, I honestly don't believe that that our cultural heads or whatever the case is, right? I don't think they had the foresight. I don't think they thought that Afrobeat was gonna be as big as it is. I think no one can lie, yeah. Yeah, I think it was our thing, this our thing, you know, we are making music, making small money from it, and everything. It was our thing, you know. But then boom, all of a sudden, it went worldwide, right? It became so big that a lot of people didn't know what to do with it. Yeah, you dig what I'm saying? A lot of people didn't know, you know, the people that are at the head of wherever the case is, they just didn't know what to do with this, you know. And I've and and do you know what before we continue and everything, yeah. We're just gonna play a little bit of the video. Obviously, the video is like about five, six minutes longer than everything. So we we're not gonna play the whole thing, but we're just gonna play little spots of the video now that for people to get a little contest. But people need to go on MI's um, I don't know if it's on Instagram, but I saw it on his X page, right? X formerly X, formerly known as Twitter. People just need to go and watch it and everything. Yeah, let's check it out.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

Over the past few weeks, the internet has been full of conversations about Afrobeats. On X, in studios, in boardrooms, everybody's arguing. The OGs are saying that the music was purer before, and young executives, they're talking about gatekeeping. Artists are saying that they're being exploited, and label people are saying that the artists just don't understand the business. And the big question that keeps coming up is is Afrobeats failing? Now I've been watching the conversation closely, and I think we're all missing something because to me, Afrobeats is not failing, it is being failed. Because let's be honest, the Nigerian music industry has done something that's almost impossible. Afrobeats is filling stadiums, it's winning Grammys, we're exporting Nigerian culture to every corner of the world. Streaming numbers are exploding. See, Nigerian artists earned over 25 billion naira in Spotify royalties in a single year, and the complete industry contributes almost 2 trillion naira to the Nigerian economy. This is not failure, this is growth. So if the music is winning globally, why does it feel like the industry itself is struggling?

SPEAKER_04 55:44

When I was watching this, yeah, I said MI with the type of insight that he has, right? He's very introspective. And you can tell that he's a deep thinker and everything, yeah. MI is somebody who I would love for him to have like a podcast. I would love to listen to him. You go, I mean, like him, Joey Aken. I love to listen to the ball of them, even though the both of them have two different opinions when it comes to Afrobeats. Joey Aken is on this side, he believes that Afrobeat is dead. You go, I mean, Afrobeat has had his run, you know. Yeah, bro. Like, bro, go on his expage and everything, bro. You get what I'm saying? I know, I know. Like, he believes this shit is dead and gone. You get me? What what what we are just doing right now is we we are trying to you know bring it back to life, but the way things are going, it's not working. You get me that we have sold our rights, that's what he believes. Or M.I. is saying no, that it's not dead, but the thing is we are managing it wrongly, right? Because when you look at K-pop, he made a very great analogy when it comes to um South Koreans because I don't know if people are paying attention. K-pop is one of the biggest genres out there. You know what I mean? Now, when you look at their shows and everything, it's one of the biggest shows on Netflix and all that stuff. They make they make great TV shows. They invested heavily into their their their their um what's it what's it called? Into their pop culture. Yeah, into their pop culture, they invested heavy into it. You go, I mean, figured out a way to make it work, yeah, right? And I think that that's what we are lacking. You got what I mean. First of all, we don't have we don't have, I wouldn't use the word gatekeepers because I don't like the word gatekeepers, because even though it's good to have gatekeepers, sometimes if you have the wrong people, the wrong people will now start taking things a bit personal and start maligning people because of personal reasons, if that makes sense, right? Yeah, but then at the same time, we don't have good managers, not really musical managers, but people that can just manage this thing that we have as it is going to the next level. I think, you know, in a way, I agree a little bit with with Joey Akin. I think we are mismanaging and selling out what we have big time, you know what I mean? But then at the same time, I was thinking as well, and I know a lot of people might think this is the bad, the wrong way as well. Is this like a black thing? Because the same thing is happening or happen to hip-hop, you know what I mean? And now if you look at the people that really run hip-hop, it's not really black people, it's not black Americans. You dig what I'm saying? And the same thing is happening to Afrobeats as well. You get me? We are having all these international labels and companies and everything, buying up stuff and all that, signing up the artists and everything. You got what I mean, and we the people that own this thing, most of our labels are basically a boutique sort of label. You get my point, you know? So, and and for some weird reason as well, it is all man for themselves because everyone is beefing each other, people are not working together, right? The the so-called big trade that we have and everything, they are not driving the culture in a in a positive direction, in my opinion. So it's like a car where all the tyres are faced in four different directions. We are not moving forward. You know what I mean? In my opinion, it is stagnant because it is poorly managed, according to what MI was talking about. I don't know what your thoughts are.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

Um, my thoughts are simple. I mean, MIA isn't wrong, at the same time, it's not entirely right because yes, sometimes something you have might be, I wouldn't go as far as to say dead, but I would say maybe it's dipped. You know, there's uh there's always gonna be that thing, you know. It's always uh if you look at the curve, it goes up, there's a constant, there's a trajectory, then there's a dip. And I feel like Afrobeat has dipped because um the genre in itself, what we're exporting to the world isn't uh things with substance, it's just pretty much the same subject matter. So of course, when you have the same of something every single time, at some point you're gonna lose interest, and not only that, the other countries and other people copying the sound, mastering the sound, getting better at making that type of sound. So we've got the as the other day, I saw a Chinese person, too, bro. I saw that you know what I'm saying. Now, with the new entrance into the building of the name, as as you already know, Mr. Mr. AI. You know, so it's always gonna get even a bit more technical, you know. Um, with Joey Akin, as much as oh, yeah, some of his stuff I like, but we already know Joey Aken is kind of positioning himself in the mood in that mode of I told you so. You know, it's one of those things. I I get it, you know. Shout out to Joey Akin, but I wouldn't go as far as say it's dead. Yes, we failed like yo, literally everything around us, most of it, bro. We we we failed this. Yeah, we failed this. Yeah, we failed it. We didn't curate the sound properly, we didn't name it properly. You we didn't even give it the name, first of all. So imagine you having a child and someone else names your child. Bro, that person is the one in charge. Like, you allowed that person, a stranger, to come, name your child, now starts to feed your child, you know. The people in your house never one time pick their their plates or hands up to say, Let me feed this child, which is in this case the government. Afrobeat is a child. The government never, you know, like publicly made it into a thing where whoa, this is a soft power. Look, look how actually said not to even you know dabble on it for too long, you know, or dwell on it for too long. K-pop and all these other things with TV shows and all of that. The reason why it's gotten bigger is because the government realized, oh, this is soft power, we can build on this, and you know how it goes. Once you take entertainment seriously, that's another way of you marketing your own culture to the world and people buy into it. Shout to Nollywood. At some point in the Caribbean, they they would like, oh Nollywood, every part of Africa, that's all they know about Nollywood, brother. Even here, even here, yeah. No, but I'm just even I'm taking this part of the world away because we're here, so it's gonna be easier for us to say that. I'm trying to even pick places that were not there, so no one can be like, Oh, yeah, but you're just saying that because you're living there. No, all these other parts of the world where Nollywood is so popular. But one thing, what did we learn from that is the fact that it only gave ammunition to the thoughts that Nigerian men would spoil you with money. Yeah, you know, ask yourself why that is the case, is because most of the movies that's what they watch the men, that's what they see in the movies or in the shows or in the content. A man using money to you know, I mean, so it's like whatever you show people is what they were gonna take from it, you know. And yeah, we failed, we failed it big time, you know. Every Friday we go artists releasing music, same subject matter, kind of almost some sometimes same beat. Yeah, it's like it's just stagnant right now. It's like it just stagnant. It's like it just stagnant in 2022. Uh, yeah, exactly. In 2022, I tweeted, I said, Oh, I hope Afrobeats doesn't end up into what um, you know, like uh what's it called? Um the Caribbean sound, like your shampoos and all of that. Um, I thought about dancehole, yeah. Dancehole, sorry, that's the word I was looking for. I hope dance it doesn't turn into dance hole. 2022, I tweeted that or in 2026. The other day, I even retweeted that tweet just so people know that this is not about me trying to be like Joey Akan saying, Oh, I told you so. It's I can tell because again, I've been in this space for a very long time. Absolutely tell when people are not growing, we're not evolving. You know, shout out to Apple. People are still saying, Oh, Apple, Apple are not doing anything much with their phones. But if you think about it, yes, because they have to come up with something that is like extraordinary. But guess what? For how many years did they evolve? They gave us different phones, bro. There's one time, yo, we had only one camera at the back of the phone, now we have three, you know, and they've given us different variations. Afrobeats were still on the excitement of 2022, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:48

Yeah, bro, yeah, bro. They're still chasing song of the year. I I think, I think, I think we are we are kind of stuck a little bit. I think we are stuck a little bit. You know, and to me, that's what reason why we need we need people with different sounds, we need people, and that's the reason why I get excited for people like Asha K, you know, people like Rema to some extent, you know. Um bro, and that's it really. That's it, really. I think I think 98%, 98% of the musical scene right now are just chasing the sound.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:29

Yeah, and when they chase the sound and give us a new sound, again, it goes back to the thing where 20 years from now, what does what would people say about your sound? Did you stand for something? And I'll be getting I'll give it no sorry, quickly. I'm just trying to say that I'm thinking about it now. Sometimes I could be having a shower, bro, and I'll be like, I am a damn food driver. So damn food, so and I'm a damn food, bro. And you're like, that's something like even sometimes, oh Lou Fu Meo, again, even though it's subject. It was well done. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well done, like properly. Your African Queen. Um everybody had their own sound. Bro, everyone had something that you can, you know, it's legacy. You know, 20 years from now, we can hum the we can hum it and we can push it for people. Now we have obviously a new group of kids doing music, not kids, but new group of young men doing it. Tensky, Mavo, um, um Astarago, um, Wave Star. All of these guys are very much like from the cloth of um what's his name again? Travis Scott and uh uh what's the guy? What's his name? Playboy Carti and these guys, they're all like that, right? Yeah, but they're dropping songs where we don't get there's no substance, bro. No, you know, shout out to the sound. I like the beat, I like the sound. I've said that so many times. Everyone that knows me. No, I like that. But when I live deep, bro, look at what Ashake dropped last week. I'll praise me to go. Like something that you can listen to and go, ah, even whiskey than these guys drop turbulence. When you listen to turbulence, you feel emotional, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:03

Yeah, that that you know, you know, that's the thing. And and you can sense the trouble when you know the amapiano sound yeah, took off and everything. Every single person and their mother jumped on the jumped on the um Amapiano sound and everything. They and abused that sounds like and I don't know if people are paying attention, bro. Amapiano is out of here, bruv. Oh, long time, bro. Bro, I don't know if people are paying attention what the South Africans are doing here. Fam, um uh Black Coffee is about to he he's he's about to do the O2, bruv. That's cold, bro. A DJ combined with like um like the symphony sound and everything. Like he's he's about to do the O2 sold out. You got me like like um the Major League Boys and everything. Like what they what what them people are doing over there, you got I mean, and I kind of think that we are living up past glory at the moment, you know. Facts, you know. In my opinion, even the so-called big trades and everything, bro, they are stagnant at the moment, bruv.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:07

Yeah, they don't know what they're doing. You get me?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:08

They are stagnant at the moment. I said this before. I said last year or this year, whatever. Well, last year, yes, but that boy, business wise, he probably did well, tall wise probably did well and everything, but musically, I think it's one of this one of his worst years.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:23

No, you did say that though, still you did say that. I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:26

You got me. I think it's one of his worst years. His album, there's no replay value on the album. You got saying good songs and everything, but that was a buy. You gotta say, um um whiskey, you know, he had a great year with with the features and everything, you know. But we are still waiting for the album and everything. You got what I'm saying? Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:46

He dropped your album now. What do you want else? What else do you want? You said what? He dropped you guys an album now. What else do you guys want? With that shake, that's it's nice. Ep. Okay, the EP thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:56

No, no, no. I'm talking about his one. Yeah, I'm talking about his one and everything, you know. Um David are the same as well. You get me? Like, you know, so things are not moving forward, in my opinion, as they should. I think I think I think it's time for us to go back to the workshop, look at it, fine-tune things and everything, and everybody have their own sound, and people should stop chasing sounds. The same thing happened with hip-hop as well. Like, there was a time every rapper was chasing sound and everything, and and that's the reason why Kanye West stood out from because anytime Kanye West dropped, he he was coming out with a brand new sound. Yeah, you get what I'm saying, and I think we need that. We need that in our culture. Yes, everybody's not gonna be a leader, you know. Some people are gonna be followers, yes, we get that, but we need um some form of versatility and everything. We need to to curate our thing, control our team, manage our team properly. Because I don't know if people are paying attention, we are absolutely losing it. Thanks, you know what I mean? We are absolutely losing it, bruv. Yeah, bro. But listen, the people need to go watch that MI thing. He killed her. I think he needs to do more of that, in my opinion. He needs to do more of that, bruv. Fan, before we get out of here, bro. Have you seen what was going on between Zimbabwe and South Africa, bro? That shit is everywhere, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:30

Bro, I'm not gonna lie, yeah. When I first saw it, this was last week. I saw this last week, probably two weeks ago. I laughed because it just doesn't sound real. Yeah, because first of all, that shit was crazy. It's ignorant. He was even trying to like make jokes. Man said, Oh, is that what we're doing? We're making jokes.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:48

Before we continue, if before we continue, let's tell people what we're talking about. Yeah, so basically, basically, the creator, the Grammy winning composer, yeah, Lebo M. I'm sure everybody and their mother have watched The Lion King. Okay, carry on. Well, if he sues me, he's gonna wait for a long time because I don't have 25 million dollars, bruv. He will he will wait for a long time, brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:28

You get me so he has friends that has 25. So if you sue him and he says no, sue his friends.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:35

I don't have nothing, bruv. Nothing, bruv. You get what I'm saying? So he is suing a Zimbabwean comedian called Lemo Jonasi. Yeah, so Jonasi was on a podcast with the comedian Godfrey. Godfrey is Nigerian American and everything, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:01

And he's yeah, it's called One Africa, yeah, it's called One Africa and all that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:05

So they were discussing how that iconic chant came about and obviously what it meant and everything, right? Because a lot of people don't really have not gone to check, okay, what is it like it's iconic, you know what I'm saying? Like everybody, you know what I'm saying? So obviously, in a mocking way, he sang it and then gave them the meaning in English, and and he was saying, bro, like this is just some some stupid ass not some stupid ass shit, bro. The way he's like he was mocking it.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:40

That's what he said. It's like, yeah, he was it again. He said, um, common boy.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:47

Do you know what? Let's play the video and everything so that people can just watch it there. Yeah, yeah, let's do that.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:53

Is that Zimbabwe? That's Zulu. That's South African. Can you do that? Yeah, I can do it. Do it.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:58

So let's sing it like Nachi Baba. You were way off.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:10

What does it mean? It means look. This is a line. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:06

I'm almost full of my chair, bro. Because the way the shit is not a line.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:10

I'm not lying like the chant is obviously iconic and shit. But when you know deep and say, is this really what the shit, man?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:17

Listen, that shit is funny, and the way he said it, that's a lie. Oh my god. It's a liar. I'm telling you, bro. Label M said, fuck this shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:41

And label M came out and everything. And bro, apparently the both of them went back and forth from what he was saying, bro. He went back and forth with label M and everything. Trying to explain to my man, like, Lo, listen, you know, I'm not trying to mock your shit and everything. You know what I'm saying? Just kind of bringing awareness, which I cut off by, bro. I don't think that shit needed any awareness, bro. That's actually a legendary too, bruv.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

No, I'm happy you did, though. You gotta say because you never know what people are saying.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:07

Yeah, but then could just be quest, casting yourself. You don't know. You gotta be. I don't think honestly, I don't think we needed the meaning for that, bruv. Because when you when you care to mean you'd be like, I think we have been tricked, bruv. In it, you know what I'm saying? Just some things, some things should not be tampered with.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:27

Some things you don't want to know.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:28

Some things I don't want to know, just leave it the way it is, bruv. And it's probably the way, and and it's probably how label M fell. You got what I'm saying? And and apparently they really went back and forth and ever and label said, Fuck this shit, bruv. And my man was on stage performing, bruv. They yeah, so bro, they served in the papers on stage, brother.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:52

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:54

Hey, that guy's a legend forever, man. I'm not gonna lie. You go forever.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:58

Served in my served my man papers on stage, bruv. 25 million dollars. Uh first of all, I looked at my man, you get what I'm saying, respectfully. I I looked at um the lemma guy and everything. I said, You know what I mean, bro? You gotta mean first of all, first of all, the hairline is invisible, brother. My guy needs to go to Turkey first, bruv. You gotta be before we start talking about this 25 million dollars.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:30

This guy's a very judgmental guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:35

He looked at it like I said that bro, I said, bro, this 25 million dollars, you may have to wait for a lot, unless you're not trying to get it. Because for you to sue somebody for 25 million dollars, yeah, yeah, and the lemmo guy is laughing at you, bro. Yeah, you sued me for 25 million, and I'm laughing at you. That tells you, I ain't got this money that you're talking about, bro. You get me. You may have to come carry, you may have to come and carry me at this point. You get me. That is what the lemma guy was was probably thinking. Bro, my man was on stage thinking, yo, I just got served. You guys like he was laughing at my man thinking 25 million dollars. Where are you gonna get that from? You get me, bro. When I saw that, I went and looked at my guy's video and everything. I said, I said, yep, I said, Yep, yeah, my man does that 25 million dollars, bro. A lot of that's crazy. That's funny, man. I'm telling you, bro, that's it. That is funny, you know, Southern Africa and everything, they are on smoke, bruv.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:35

Yeah, bro, they're different, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:36

They are on smoke over there, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:38

Zimbabwe, bro that has structure, so of course, you know, at least they have better structure than do you think do you think the the the Zimbabwe comedian was hating, though? He wasn't hating. Well, what's the hate? Like, okay, if this movie was released three months ago, a year ago, two years ago, three years ago, yeah, fair enough. I could say, yeah, there's a bit of hate, bro. This is a legendary movie. Someone asked him, it's not like he came there and sat down and go, guys, let me tell you something about Lion King. No, they asked him, what does that mean? And man, give the answer. It's that simple.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:29

Yeah, fella, fella. Something should be left alone, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:34

I don't want you to explain it to me. I don't want to know, just leave that shit alone, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:41

No, that's fast, but it's I blame one Africa still, or whatever they call it. Yeah, it's why would you even ask that question? Why, bro? Why?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:51

Why they probably for that my man was was from um South Africa, they probably think that you know that that that that these whole people are are all the same, all the same thing, yeah. They people do think that they probably thought it was a South African F. Who knows? Yeah, but the way my man was to explain the whole thing, I mean it kind of made sense and everything. He said, bro, you have all these characters, you know, in the cartoon and everything. You know, the the monkey sounds African. I believe he said that the line or whatever sounded British, the other one sounded American in there. He was thinking, like, what the fuck? You like you're doing a fucking um movie about Africa, but everybody else is sounding American and British in there. Facts. So I understood what he was trying to say though. You get me, but but but Lemo B you don't want to hear that shit, bruv.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:36

No, he doesn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:37

You get me terms are gone. Lame Obi is thinking, bro, you're playing my money now, bruv. Yeah, man said, No way, none of this is happening, man. You got me. Which cannot which cannot bring some of them, bro? I mean, it all comes down to the contract. Who knows what he signed and everything? But how how much is my mind getting from that? My man is still probably if he doesn't do any other thing, he probably still eating from from the lion king.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:59

Facts, facts, it should be. You know what I mean? He's probably still eating from the lion king, bruv.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:05

Royalties on that is crazy crazy, crazy, but then it this is the thing. Sometimes I just want to uh you know, talk to people like this and everything to kind of find out, bro. Did he sign the right contact though? You know what I mean? Because because because um, do you know this movie? Um this uh classic uh Brazilian movie The City of God.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:30

The City of God, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:32

They did a documentary, many times. Yeah, they did, I believe it was 20 years documentary or whatever, or rather, I've I believe it was 20 years anniversary or something like that. Some I've forgotten what it was called, right? But this was like a couple years ago. So we came out, yeah, and all the people, all the actors and everything that were in the movie at the time were interviewed and everything, yeah. Bro, for a classic movie like that, some of them people are still in the streets, bro. Some of them people are hungry, bro. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta say, yeah, like a lot of them are still hungry. I've I've I believe it was the white girl. The white girl, she she went on to do great um good things and everything, you know, featured in some Hollywood movies here and there, yes, low budget and everything, but she was like the only one. The other people that were from the streets and everything, bro, they did they signed bad contracts or or they were just paid, you know, um, to be in the movie, and and there was no um what's it called again?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:38

There was no synchronization deal.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:40

Yeah, yeah. So so they would they were basically just paid off, and and it was like chicken change or whatever the case is, you know what I mean? Like for a classic lighter, so you know, sometimes things like this. I just think about and everything. I really like bro, like a movie like The Lion King, bro. God dang.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:57

Yeah, to be fair, City of God, it was like it looks it gives you vibes of an indie movie, so it just doesn't give you vibes of a movie that will go up to do it, it wasn't projected to do the craziest things, you know what I'm saying? We have movies like that because you could just be like, I'll I'll do it for free because you think it's like a project, you know. That's the movie because that one, someone will bring a camera and say, Oh, let's do something. You might just think, ah, it's just a little project, I'll do it for free. And when it becomes like a global phenomenon, you're like, ah, yeah, in a way, yeah. But now, shout out to Lemo, man. Shout out to all of these guys, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:29

He got me there in the thing, I think, bro. Yeah, my bro. Fam, I believe that's it, really. Do we have any of those? Um, uh the Davido, you know, he has announced his show and all that.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:45

Yeah, yeah, that's dope, that's dope. Um, I guess because he's doing he's on his tour, right? So he doesn't want to do the O2, I guess, or Tottenham Stadium. I like that though. I like that he's done the O2 a few times, so he's thinking I don't want to do the O2, but Tottenham Stadium, I don't think I'll be able to fill it up. So to avoid that, I'll just yeah, create my own thing. Yeah, just do David on Friends in like a park or whatever, which I love. I love I love that. Shout out to David for that and his team. Yeah, I think the last the last thing, if I'm not mistaken, is about our brothers from Guinea. Oh Stone Boy and Shatter, our Ghanians, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:30

Listen, Charlie, them two, them two have been fighting everything, and the other day we saw them on some some sort of World Cup um function or whatever the case is in Ghana. Yeah, face at the ceremony or something like that. Yeah, and obviously the president was there and some other people, and they were egging them out or not. So they called the boy them up on stage and all that, right? Egging them on to hug each other and all that, bro. I don't know if you've seen the video of them hugging, bro. Shatterwallet is funny, bro. Shatterwallet is so funny. My man's face was like the way he was hugging him. Bruh.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:08

You gotta say, even my man made a joke, he didn't even laugh.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:13

You gotta say, Nevi, like the the video is is interesting. Let's let's let's play the video so that people can understand what we're talking about, bruv. So obviously, yeah, you get me? Like, they've had this long-standing beef and all that, you know. The same thing, the same thing that we got going on in Nigeria. Um Sakode, Shatterwale, Stone Boy, they've all been been like beefing each other and all that kind of shit. So they so they but Sack and Shatter have made up. Yeah, you go, I mean, Sack and Shatter have made up. So I was happy when I saw um Stone Boy and Shatter Wale, you know, give the hug in and everything. And then the next thing I know, a video secluding online and everything of Stone Boy on a radio station still saying whatever he's saying about Shatter. Saying, oh no, like, you know, something to defend my mother or whatever, because you know, unfortunately the mom is dead and everything. You know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Talking about that the moment only happy, you know, to see him and Shatterwale smile like that, you know, considering some of the things that Shatterwale said. And in my opinion, I'm not thinking so. Why did you hug him then?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:46

Yeah, brother. You know how much they paid them for them to be there. Come on.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:50

I I don't think it was about the money and everything. I think obviously the the people that were there, because the president was there and everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:57

And I think that's my point. Yeah, you think those guys would turn up, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:01

But stand on your shit, stand on your shit. If yeah, but stand on your shit. If if this is really how you feel, if this is really how you feel, don't hug the man and then tomorrow say start talking shit and everything and say, Oh no, I can't do that. That's some bitch ass movements.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:15

I know we we know because we're talking from a perspective of brother, these guys were paid a decent amount of money, yeah, for them to come to that ceremony to make it even more of a ceremony because it's all about the Ghanaian World Cup, and you need your you know what I mean, you need your celebrities, your dignitaries and stuff to be there. Of course, you do everything because you've kind of signed a contract, you're not gonna mess your stuff up, you know. I know, you know what I mean? But I don't know. Shout out to them, though. Shout out to them, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:41

You know what I mean? I don't know. I was like, you can't hug the man. It's either you hug the guy, you bury the thing, cool. Or why hug the guy and everything? And then the next time you start talking, uh talking about your mother's ghost, you know, is gonna be an annoyed with you and all this kind of stuff, you know. If you're smart, like what the fuck? Like, bro, what we doing here, bro?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:00

Yeah, man. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:02

Because because it's either we are for peace or we're not, bro. Oh, I want peace, you know, always. I don't want peace. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? But but listen, bro, shout out to them though, shout out, bro. Should we call it a day, yeah? Yeah, my uh call it a night, or rather a night. You got what I'm saying, a night and everything. I personally, just before we leave, yeah, I think um Shank, Kate Fe, they need to get their shit together, bro. You got me this whole this whole thing that they're doing and everything. I'm like thinking, bro, like, why do we always do this shit, bro? Once we start getting to get into places, once we start building stuff and everything, the next thing you know, people are beefing and everything. Did you see the video of of you know, I get it? Did you see the video of Chatawale, you know. He came into Yemoli's store, innit?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:02

You mean you mean Shank? No, Shank was already there. Yeah, you said Shatterwale, but no, I know. I'd say Shatawali.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:09

Oh, sorry. So Shank was already in the store.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:12

No, so Kate Fe.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:14

Kate Fe now walked in. And you know, Kate Fe is very loud and shit. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:19

You know, talking to be fair, Kata Fe was there before. Like, I saw the stream from the beginning. Okay. To be fair, he was there, was talking to your mole, blah blah blah. And um, I think he went into another room, he went to like a little compartment, so so like a back room, like a back room or stuff. Then someone told him that uh new people have walked into the store, which is Shank. Yeah, so carry on. Yeah, so then that's where he was. You know, the guy's loud, and he's quite embarrassing, to be fair. But yeah, yeah, I can see why I think like nah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:49

I mean, I do like him. I'm not gonna lie. I do at first, at first, it wasn't my cup of tea, right? With the whole getting naked, ruling on the floor, and everything, that was not my shit. I could not stand that shit. I couldn't stand that shit. I was like, bro, you're a grown-ass man everything. You can entertain people, you know, without doing all that shit. But I think a lot of people told him that, or or whether he read the comments or wherever the case is, I don't know. He kind of switched up a little bit. You go, I mean, but I like him, but yes, he can be very loud.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:23

Like, no, he's he's a nuisance. I'm not gonna lie, and he can be more of a nuisance, but he's a nuisance, though. He got oh mate. Shout out to Shank for like saying, Nah, bro, I'm all I'm good. We don't have to be friends with everyone, like it's cool. But I understand, but but you remember his brand, kinda.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:38

Yeah, but you remember we had that conversation, and I told you that these these people don't fuck with each other like that. You said no, that it's just acting everything. I said, Nah, because I I yeah, probably I said that, yeah. You got me because I read the whole thing that said they cannot just be acting, like there is something here.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:56

You got it makes you feel though that it's Katefi that's pushing for the beef. Because I feel like Nigerians wants two three things they need to do is make money, be famous, and find someone to beef. Because that's like the three-starter pack. It's like, yes, now I'm important because I have someone I'm beefing. You know, it's like I don't know. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:14

I think I I think also, I think from what Kata was saying and all that, you know, back in the day, what whatever, that he felt like Shank, obviously, he went to America linked up with Kai and all everything. That he felt like he was overlooking that, overlooking them and whatnot, right? But my thing was when I looked at them, you know, I can understand. I feel like in Shank's eyes, obviously, I don't know the inside details. He doesn't want to be standing next to this guy because of he he feels he feels like their brand is different. No, yeah, of course. He goes I mean, he feels like their brand is different. You know, he's the cool guy, he he wants to be the cool guy, do his own thing. He goes on some cool shit. Qatar is a rah-rah rah rah rah rah guy and everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:03

Yeah, he's the rowdy one, and he's begging friends, bro. He needs to stop begging friends, bro. Just begging it, bro. I'm a subject in it, bro. He's just begging, bro. Like, come on, the guy doesn't want to be cool with you. It's fine. This guy is he went to meet black bones and check. He was still complaining to black bones. That's an Ghana idiot. I'm like, brother, leave this guy alone. The guy, it don't be by force, nobody by force to become friends. You go mean, bro. Bro, we are fine. Let's let it go. But again, thoughts and prayers, man. This guy's prayer.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:35

The only thing, the only thing that kind of hurt me is right, when I look at them, they come they had the potential. I'm talking about Qata, Shank, um, Pella, you go, I mean, they have the potential to be like um, you know, so so like like Kai SM group. Um yeah, like AMP, they have the potential to be like the side man or the other guys in the UK. You go, I mean, they have the potential to be that, you know, build a conglomerate and everything, you know, either rent or buy or hire a house or whatever the case is where they live, and they are all streaming, doing their thing, doing like TV shows and all this kind of shit. Like they have the potential to do that, yeah. But for some weird reason, I just don't know what it is with our people. We start building shit, we start getting to the top, the next thing is beef. You know what I mean? That's something, you know, and and Qata also has that behavior of if he feels that someone doesn't want to walk with him or wherever, you know, the person is overlooking him or looking down on him and everything. And then next thing you know, every stream he's going at the person, like, cool, you did the song that you did for whiskey or whatever the case is. Whatever happened, maybe you know, we all know that whiskey is a lay back guy. Some people might call it pride, some people might call it ego, whatever it might be, right? If the man don't want to work with you and everything, bro, just let it go, bruv. You got what I'm saying? Yeah, just let it go.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:07

He's proving whiskey right then and shank right.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:10

You got what I mean, because you are putting up, you're putting up bridges and everything, like you know, and he's making himself an easy target, though, because they can just say, guys, look at him.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:19

Tell me, do you want to associate yourself with someone like that?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:22

Everybody be like, no. Everybody be like, no, you got me. Just one, bro. You know, but bro, it's been a good one. My bro, yeah, it's been a good one. You go, I mean, it's been a good one. Another one of the pack. Thank you. People listen, we are gonna be in the studio very soon. Yeah, we're gonna be in the studio very soon. Hopefully, let's do that. Yeah, we're gonna be in the studio very soon, and everything. We just kind of have a lot going on, you know. Some of us, obviously, outside of this life and everything, you know what I'm saying? But we're gonna be in the studio very soon, yeah. You know, and also, yeah, and also we salute every single one of you that have been supporting us as well. Watch this video, sure, engage, leave a comment, leave a like, don't just watch it, leave a comment. You know what I mean? Yeah, share this. Pull me up, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:10

Pull me up on something that I said that you don't like that you don't like and everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:14

You go, I mean, share it, share it on on social medias and everything. Tag us as well, you get what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, let's do that because he because he helps with the algorithms and everything. You know what I'm saying? As you already know, is your boy Toby and your boy Banks? Yes, sir. On to your next time. Salute, peace, peace.