🎙️ From Millionaire to Homeless and Back: Trust Your Intuition with Liam Naden

Emotional intelligence and leadership meet intuition as Liam Naden reveals why inner guidance, not hustle, drives true success.

Success isn’t always built through hustle alone. In this episode, Liam Naden shares his incredible journey from millionaire to homeless and back again, revealing how the biggest mistakes we make often come from ignoring our intuition, and how reconnecting with our inner guidance can transform our leadership, decisions, and lives.

Liam Naden is an entrepreneur, author, and speaker known for his groundbreaking work on intuition and decision-making. After losing everything and rebuilding his success, he now teaches leaders how to trust their internal guidance system to create sustainable growth and fulfillment.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

It's usually a very low number. And goal setting, what I've come to discover, is actually part of the problem. Because goal setting is at odds, it's completely the opposite to how we operate biologically. Because if you think about biological efficiency, which nature has had millions of years to figure out the most efficient way to use the least amount of energy to ensure the maximum amount of survival, which is really important because imagine for us if we couldn't find food for a week, we had to conserve our energy. And we had to make sure that not only could we survive for a week, but if we did find food, we had to have enough energy to be able to go and catch it or, you know, gather it or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

So humans, along with every other species, welcome to the Resilient Minds Podcast. Stories of grid, growth, and success. On this show, we focus on the real stories behind the success. The struggles, the resilience, and the courage it took to keep moving forward even when times got tough. My goal is to provide you with stories of hope and transformation, showing that no matter the challenges, there is a way forward, and you can find it. This is Resilient Minds.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

Hey, I'm your host, Dr. Campbell, and I'm here with Liam Naden, and he has a beautiful story of success, then tanking, then success again, which is even more inspirational than a lot of the stories that we normally have where we're struggling, we transform, and then we reach success, right? But sometimes those that reach success, they still have a lot of lessons to learn. So it's beautiful for us to be able to learn from those who've been there, they've done it, and they can attest to the other struggles that we don't see that are awaiting us. So Liam is a speaker and he's an author, and he's actually doing research. It's very much in my field when it comes to balancing the nervous system. So I'm very interested in what he does, how he does it, and he's been doing it much longer than I have too. So thank you so much, Liam, for joining us.

SPEAKER_03 2:08

Hi, Jacqueline. Thanks very much for having me.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Absolutely. So tell us what you do in your own words.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Well, really, what I do these days is I help people get unstuck. You know, I think um what you were saying about entrepreneurs and how we can have all the success in the world, but if we don't really feel successful, if we and if we don't feel fulfilled, it's like we get to the top of a ladder and we think, you know, was this is this really what life's all about? What do I do now? So what I help people do is really get a lot of clarity about where they want to go in their life, but not so much about where they want to go, it's about how they get to where they're supposed to be. Because very often people, and I was like this for a long time. I thought I knew where I was supposed to be going in my life, but I got there and I realized it wasn't what I was looking for. So what I really do now is help people realize that where you think you're going is not necessarily where you should be going, but there is a way to organize yourself so that you actually go in the right direction. So that where you end up isn't just the right place, but you're actually in the right journey at the same time. You know, it's not a destination, it is a journey. So that's really what I help people do is get, and it's mainly people, you know, that I used to be like who are entrepreneurial and you know, really successful on the outside, but who are struggling to make sense of it all and to really get the clarity on where they should be going in their life.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

Right. Um, because you can't get and then it going one place and having a goal is completely different than traveling a journey, right? And that's really what life's about. And I feel like people who have the wisdom that you do, the way that you're talking is about the journey. It's not about the goal, it's not about chasing the millions. Um, but on that journey, you can't have clarity unless you're organized. So what would the way that you look at your research and your clients, how would you describe somebody being disorganized versus organized?

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Well, somebody who's disorganized is somebody who lives through the stories in their head. You know, I I have a substack called the story trap. And basically, what the problem is with nearly all of us, and we've all been taught to live like this, but it's completely unnatural, and it's why we're so dysfunctional, if you like, and we're why we're the only species on the planet that's actually has problems. And the reason is because we're not actually living our life in the moment, we're responding to a story. So what we do is we have all of these stories that are rolling around in our head, like what should I do? Is this the right thing to do? What does this mean? Am I doing the right thing? Do I need to have more information? What are my goals? What are my plans? What's the right thing to do now? We're not actually relating to the present moment at all. We're we're manufacturing all these imaginary stories. And what we don't realize is that the brain, our our brain, you know, you mentioned neuroscience. What I discovered is the brain is not actually primarily designed to think. Now that sounds really weird because we all think as human beings, the greatest thing we can do, and what makes us the best species on the planet is that we can think. We can create words and we have language, but actually that is our biggest problem that we think. Because, and we can get into the reasons why, but maybe people have had this experience where they weren't thinking and things were working really well. You know, and a good example is love. What is love? If you were to ask anybody, have you ever felt love? And most people have, and for me it was, you know, I've had some amazing loving experiences. You said you're a mother. When your child or children are firstborn, you have this feeling that you can't describe. I'm sure you'd agree. So when you love somebody or when you feel love, the one thing that you notice about that experience is there are no words. You can't describe it. And you and we say this, you know, it's indescribable. So these things like love, they point to something in the way the human brain works. The human brain is not it's tripped up by language, by words. Because actually, for most of human history, we didn't have language. We did what every other species on the planet did, did, and does. We lived by instinct. In other words, we responded perfectly to the present moment. But when when language came along, that's when all the problems started showing up, because we started to think we had to figure things out, rather than allowing our nervous system and our five senses to operate through us and show us the very next thing we needed to do. You know, one of the things, if I could just mention that got really got me onto this, I interviewed some a really successful businessman. And for people listening or watching who are really successful in their business, think about this for a moment. Because when I interviewed this man, and I actually I've interviewed several people and they all have the same experience, and when I say to them, how did you really achieve what you've the success that you did that you've achieved in your life, you know, in your business? Now people come up with um with reasons and they say things like, Well, you know, I had my goals and I worked it all out and I worked really hard. But if they really drill down, and if someone listening, think about it, if you really drill down, isn't it true that your success came to you and your life is the way it is, you have no idea why it's the way it is. It's just the way it is. And what you've done is you've just, and this is what this gentleman that I interviewed said, and it was and it's reflected in what many people have said. Well, you know, I don't really know how it happened. I just sort of did the next thing that showed up, and then something else showed up, and then something else showed up, and I just kept doing stuff. And sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but I learned all the every from everything that happened, and it all sort of just happened really perfectly. And this man who I interviewed had a million customers, he had in a massive business in 89 countries, and he said to me, Liam, there's no way I could have achieved this if I'd had it on a goals list because a goal would have limited me. I there's no way I could have seen this. You know, a few years ago for me, I was the stressed entrepreneur, the multi-millionaire with the businesses. I've had 18 different businesses in my life, but I was living through all this enormous stress. And I actually got went through the experience. Well, I lost everything and became homeless. And I know you've had people on your show who've had that experience as well. But when I put my life back together, I started doing things that I'd never have ever dreamt I'd be doing. I'm talking to you from my yacht in southern Italy. Now, if somebody had said to me you're going to be living on a yacht, this is my fourth yacht in 10 years, traveling all around the world. If someone said you're going to be doing that, and you're going to be talking to people about, you know, how success really happens in our life, I would have thought that was insanity. It was not nothing that I wanted. I didn't even think, I would never have thought that that's what I wanted to do. So there's a side of us, there's a part of us that actually knows what we're supposed to be doing. But when we're thinking all the time, when we're trying to figure out stuff, when we're setting goals, when we're doing all the stuff, we're interfering with our natural instinctive nature that is the same part that we feel when we feel love, when there's no words, there's no description. I mean, you ask anybody to define love, none of us can. And there have been people throughout the centuries try to do it through art and music and writing to define what love is. None of us can define it in words what it is. But if you were to say, Do you know what love is? We'd all say, Yes, I instantly know what love is. I know what the feeling is. So we need to get away, if we really want to get to get unstuck and get clear, we need to stop the thinking part of our brain so much and start reactivating this part that already knows where we're supposed to be going, what we're supposed to be doing to be our best self. That's what I did. And things worked out in ways I could never have imagined.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Right. When you're saying that, I hear intuition, right? Like it's innate, you can't explain it, but you know when you're in it and when it's guiding you, because it doesn't go off of logic. And I I can attest to that with my own story where I could look back during it was very hard to see, but now looking back, it's a whole lot easier. So when I look forward, I'm like, okay, well, I know how to look for this. But the things that people were telling me to do, the logic that I put into my goal setting, the the strategy that I thought I had control in, it didn't really work out that way. What did work out is when I had an intuitive insight, then I'm like, you know what, that's a great idea. That's way better than anything I could have come up with. And then I do it and it works. And I don't know how it works. It just happened. And so those insights, yes, I'm I'm not saying that I don't set goals anymore and I have, you know, a 10-year business plan and it's chopped up into different milestones, but traveling that, it's kind of like you set the compass and then you're like, okay, now how are we getting there? Because the how I can't have logic because I'm not that smart. You know, it, whatever's guiding our intuition, and I personally, it sounds like you're you're talking about the same thing. Like you you have learned the hard way that it's so much smarter than us. We're we're really not that smart when it comes down to it. What was the term?

SPEAKER_03 11:59

I think it comes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Sorry, sorry to interrupt.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

No, I'm I'm sorry to interrupt. I mean, it it we just make life so much more difficult than it actually is supposed to be. If you look through nature, and I live on a yacht, so I spend all my life in nature, which is wonderful. But when you really look at nature, and very few of us ever do, you know, we're so busy, we don't, and we might go hiking on the on the weekend. But what happens when you're hiking on the weekend? Your brain is thinking all these things you have to do, and you get to the end of the hike and you go, I don't even remember doing it because you're somewhere else, you're in your thoughts, you're in this, what I call the story trap. So we make life far more difficult than it needs to be because of our stories, because of our thinking all the all of the time. And the way life is supposed to be, and what you see in the rest of nature, is nature operates instinctively with it. This you could only call it an intelligence that flows through every living thing that makes sure that things happen for its best survival. So there's not really any struggle in nature. You know, there's there's life and death. But if you look at a birds or plants or insects, they're just growing, they're just developing, they're not struggling and looking for food and trying to figure out how to get food. You know, if you watch a bird, if it feels like food, it just finds some food. Nature does not make struggle as part of its overwhelming way of operating. And that makes biological sense. It's had millions of years to figure out the best way to do things to ensure that life survives.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Right.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

And the best way for life to survive is with the minimum amount of energy, the minimum amount of effort, the conservation of energy. So that means no problems, that means no stress, it means doing the right thing at the right time. So every living thing has a nervous system designed to ensure that the best action takes place in that moment, in response to what its five senses, what the five senses are telling it. So if it's if your senses are telling you it's cold, you automatically seek something to warm you up. If your senses are telling you that, you know, you need to move, you move. And this is the way humans, this is the way all of nature lives, and it's the way humans used to live as well. So the most bio what we need to understand is that nature has designed for us to be fulfilled, to thrive, to be the best that we can be, but it does it through instinct. And you mention intuition, that's a sort of that's another way of describing it. It doesn't do it through thinking. The most efficient way for you to be your best is not to know the next 10 steps or where to where you're going to be in five years, because five years isn't is only a concept that you've created through stories anyway. Before we had language, we didn't have this idea that was five years in advance. It was only now. And we've heard so many times through spiritual teachers and you know, the power of now, be present. Spirituality and religion puts a different spin on it, and it says, have faith, believe, trust, allow. What's the one thing all of those things have in common? When you truly have faith, when you truly trust, when you truly allow, you're not thinking. You're in the present moment, and you're really knowing that whatever's happening is going to work out the best best for you. And that's not just a spiritual idea, this is a biological idea. This is the way we're biologically designed. And when we tap into our instinct and we start using this and doing what I call just taking the next step and not thinking about it, not thinking about where you're going to go, that's when everything works out far better. And that's what I did because when I lost everything and I ended up sleeping on the sofa in my in my mother's living room, my elderly mother's living room, I started off trying to figure out what to do. And I thought, you know, I know I'd been I'd been to every personal development seminar, read every book, I had goals and you know, strategies and books and vision boards and all of the you know techniques for rewiring my subconscious mind and changing my beliefs and doing and doing all these things. I started out trying to figure out how to get out of the mess that I was in and where I should go. And I had all these goals that I thought I wanted and plans, and none of it worked. I still stayed stuck. And in fact, all of those things had got me to what I'd realized to where I'd ended up with nothing, having lost everything. So I tried a different approach, only because I had nothing left to give, and I just thought, you know, I've tried everything, none of this is working. I give up. I'm just gonna do the, I'm just gonna follow my nose, do the next thing that shows up. And I'm not going to judge it, wonder where it's going to go, wonder if it's the right thing to do, analyze anything. I'm just going to take the next thing that seems to come into my head to do. And that's when everything changed for me. And that's what I see in other people. That's what transforms lives, is when you stop this idea that you have to try and figure it all out and just start trusting, just start allowing. Not in a woo-woo way, you know, but in a biological way. Realize that's the way you're designed. And that's when the magic happens.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Well, I think the reason why people put more of a religious or spiritual spin on it is we still are trying to make sense of it. But really, whether it's spiritual, religious, biological, and and I I the best way that my intuition got my attention was making me powerless and making me have no other choice, just like you, but to just pay attention, throw up my hands and say, okay. But neurologically, when you push and you push and you push and you're putting pressure on different parts of the brain, it's hard to get through. But then when you release that pressure, it opens naturally too. But you'll see that with things in the universe, that they have that natural flow. It's just naturally resilient, but it's because it's going with the flow. You know, so when we fight it because we think we have control, we actually make it harder on ourselves and those around us too. Um, you know, while you were asked, uh while you were talking about the letting go of control, I was wondering what was the point in your life that there was like you were talking about, you know, being a millionaire first and then you're sleeping on your your mother's couch and then you you were able to climb out, but it wasn't you. It's like you were lifted, right? Like the flow took you. But what happened that got you to that low point?

SPEAKER_03 18:35

How did I lose everything? Is that what you're asking?

SPEAKER_02 18:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:39

Just a whole lot of um, if you like, um, well, years of cumulative bad decisions. And all of those bad decisions in business and my personal life, those they all came from one thing, and that's not listening to my intuition, not listening to my instinct. So for instance, I would do things like I would open a business, and and I there was something in me that knew it was wrong, that the that it wasn't going to work. But I shut down that voice and said, I'm going to make it work. I've been to the seminars, motivation, and you can have anything you want. All you need to do is have a goal, set it clearly, visualize, write it down on a on a card and read it every day, and and and it will, you know, the law of attraction and it will materialize. But I wasn't listening to this voice going, this is a bad idea. I'd employ people. I used to have sales, uh, people, you know, salespeople, and I'd train them up in selling. There'd be times I'd employ somebody, and the moment I was signing the contract with them, I realized they were the wrong person. It gave me a really bad feeling. But I shut that down and I said to myself, no, they're I they're 70% there. I'll make them, I'll train them up to be to I'll make it work. I'll make it work. Now, how many of us say that all the time? I'll make something work. You know, I have a goal, I've decided that's what I want, and I can't possibly change my direction or or give up that goal because that'd be a being a failure. That'd be, you know, that would make life uncertain. And so it was years of wanting certainty in my life by having goals and and um trying to force things to happen, that I realized that that is not certainty at all. That's not control of your life at all. Because if it was, then you wouldn't live in constant stress like I did. You wouldn't have all these problems show up in your life like they constantly did. Life wouldn't be a roller coaster of good times, but never really being able to relax because of all the things you had to juggle, problems all the time. So real control comes when you're actually present in the moment and you're taking action in what is happening around you, not with your head somewhere else, thinking you're going in some certain direction. The direction is comes a step at a time. It doesn't come on a on a 20-year plan. And again, the problem I used to have was thinking we've got to set goals. But very often I say to people, what percentage of your goals that you set do you actually achieve? It's usually a very low number. And goal setting, what I've come to discover, is actually part of the problem. Because goal setting is at odds, it's completely the opposite to how we operate biologically. Because if you think about biological efficiency, which nature has had millions of years to figure out the most efficient way to use the least amount of energy to ensure the maximum amount of survival, which is really important because imagine for us if we couldn't find food for a week, we had to conserve our energy and we had to make sure that not only could we survive for a week, but if we did find food, we had to have enough energy to be able to go and catch it or you know gather it or whatever. So Humans, along with every other species, develop the most biologically efficient way to live, which is to not to know the next 20 steps, it's just to do the very next thing that's right in front of you. And you can think, if you think about it from an energy expenditure point of view, and this used to happen to me, if you set a goal, what happens when you set a goal? You say, How do I get there? Right, I need to figure out the steps to get there. So you give yourself 10 steps. Now, firstly, how much energy have you used in figuring out what those steps are? Well, firstly, in figuring out what you think your goal is. Then how much energy have you expended in figuring out what the steps should be? And then when you figured out the steps, what do you do? You start evaluating whether they're the right steps. And you say, well, step number one, is that what I should do right now? Step number five, I'm not sure that that's the right step I should take. I don't know what to do for step number five. So I need to go away and get some more information. So what's happening? You're wasting a huge amount of energy. You're not actually doing anything to move yourself forward. You're trying to, you're wasting all of this mental energy. And that is why it's not biologically the most efficient way to get to where you're supposed to go. And your brain is designed to give you all the stimulus, all of the information you need right now to make the decision right now as to what to do. And it doesn't need to be a big thing. It could be open your laptop, make a phone call. You know, how many times do we make a phone call, or we we we spend a week thinking about I need to make a phone call, but I'm not sure what I should say, or I'm worried I'm going to say the wrong thing. So I need to work it all out in advance what I'm going to say. You're wasting all of that time, whereas your brain is saying, just pick up the phone. You'll figure it out as you go along. I'll show you the next step as you go along.

SPEAKER_05 23:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

That's what I've learned anyway from uh practical experience, and it ties in with how your brain actually works. And one other quick thing about clarity the part of your brain that knows your intuition, your creativity, your imagination, your knowingness, and your motivation, because it's already well to know what to do, but you also have to find yourself actually doing it. That part of your brain, biologically, is a different part of your brain to the one that's that drives stress. And when you feel stress, you actually activate one part, the stress part of your brain, you actually shut down your clarity and your ability to see the next step and the right thing to do. You know, so many times, I'm sure we've all had this experience. I do a lot of relationship and marriage coaching as well. And so many times I say to people who are having problems, do you have a really good friend who knows about your situation? And if they say yes, I say, Well, what would your friend tell? What has your friend been telling you to do about this? And the friend, and we can say this for other people, the friend friend knows exactly what they should do. They should then they say, You should do this, you should do that. And if you think about yourself, if you have a friend who's having trouble, you can see exactly what they should do. And but the the real issue is they can't see it. And you think, why can't they see it? So obvious that they should leave that person or they should say this thing or they should do that. But they can't see it. Now, it's not they don't want to see it, their brain is not allowing them to see it because they're stressed. They're in this in this state, this nervous system state that's not allowing the clarity to come through. So, one of the first things we have to do is realize that, you know, all of the stress that you're creating in your brain from the stories you're telling yourself about what you need to do, whether it's right, what might go wrong, and all of those things, it's blocking your clarity. It's blocking your intuition and it's blocking your motivation. And you stay stuck.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Yep, which everybody wants to get unstuck, but they want to keep thinking about it.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

And I love how you Well, they think thinking is the way to get unstuck. Thinking is the problem.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

Exactly. There was actually, I think it was either a blog that you had recently or a training that you had because I was looking through your stuff, but it said um, why thinking so much is the problem or something along those lines. And I completely agree because, like you had emphasized just a second ago, when we bring all of our energy and we're present, we're not expending emotional energy. So we're conserving and we actually have more energy in the present. So not only do we find clarity faster, but we also energize more. We because we have it in our body, we're not expending it. Um so before we hop off today, I was wondering what would, out of all the things that you've learned, what are the three top lifelines that you consistently implement in your life to be able to be where you're at right now?

SPEAKER_03 26:55

Well, the first one is not to set any goals. And I know that sounds probably a little bit, but honestly, um, so much of my life has been completely unexpected. I mean, this but this year, my partner and I um, you know, we travel around when we're not on the boat, like in the winter, we might we leave the boat and we go somewhere else for a few weeks. And we thought we had the year planned this year planned out, but in fact, if I look back at every year, I think, well, maybe I'm going to do this this year, and something comes along and it completely destroys all your plans. You know, you and and it's a it's like not necessarily a distraction, but it's you find yourself going in a different direction in response to something that is seemingly out of your control. So, what I learned a long time ago was it's a waste of time setting goals. And one of the great things about living on a yacht, of course, and I'm we're sailing all of the time, is you can have a have a destination in mind. So, sure, you want you maybe you have a bit of an idea. So, for instance, if you want to go on a trip, yes, you have to have a goal of going on the trip and planning and you know, buying the tickets and working it all out. Doesn't mean you just ignore all of that, but you have to be a bit flexible as well and realize when when a something you want is going to happen or or it might not. And when you're sailing, of course, you know, we can have a destination in mind. We can look at all of the weather factors and say where we want to go. So we set out on a journey, we you know, set sail up anchor, and off we go for the day or the or the couple of days to go somewhere. But if the weather changes, we've got to change. You know, it's no point saying, well, now a storm's come up and we're going straight into the wind and we're not making any progress, but we're determined, we're going to reach our goal, you know, we're going to get there because we've already decided that's where we're going. You have to go with nature. Nature rules. You know, you have to adjust your course. So that's the was that was there more than one you wanted me to ask? That's the first one.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

That one's beautiful, and I love that. Um, there was so if we can have two more, but I think that one's huge. Just not have goals and why to not have goals.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

Yeah. Well, relate, well, you know, it's I don't even know if I've got three, but I've got another one, which is really the same thing, which is just take the next step. Stop judging what's happening. And this happens so much in relationships, for instance. People say, and they come to me all the time and say, you know, I really need to fix my marriage. I can't, you know, my wife or my husband has asked for a divorce. Often this happens, and I don't want that to happen. I am committed to our marriage. Now, the worst thing you can say to your husband or your wife, if they tell you they don't want to be in their marriage, in your marriage, the worst thing you can say is, no, I'm committed to it. I'm not going to give it up because you're telling them you have no respect for their feelings or thoughts anyway. But you know, so many times when when I help people work through this with a relationship where they have all these fears, whether it's about their income, their business, their relationships, that something has to happen. They have to make this happen. And they can't be happy until it happens. And they have all these fears about what might happen if they don't achieve it. So if that, for instance, if you're married to someone, I have to stay married to this person, I have to make this work. We hear this all the time. Relationships are hard work, and you know, you have to work on them, and you, you know, all those things, which simply aren't true if it's the if it's the right relationship. But we just put too much energy in trying to force things to happen. And invariably what happens is when I've worked with someone and I've made showed them to realize you've got to trust your intuition, your instinctive side, rather than hold on to a place where you think you need to be, which is based on your fear, because you're afraid if you don't get there, if you don't save that marriage, you're going to be unloved, on your own, rejected, feel a failure, your children will be harmed, all of those things. If you get rid of that, then your brain opens you up to take you in the right direction. Might be to heal the marriage, it might be to end the marriage, it might be to do something else. And invariably, often people contact me a few months later and they say, Liam, you're not going to believe what I'm doing now. I think here we go. And it's always something they've never thought of. And they and they say things like, I don't know why I tried to force that marriage or that business, tried to force it all to happen because it didn't work. And I'm far better off now. I should have realized, I should have listened to my intuition, stopped trying to think it through all the time, much sooner, instead of putting all that energy in. And now I'm in a far happier place than I would have been. So I realize that's what it's all about. We need to. It's not giving up control, it's realizing where your control comes from. And it comes from your intuition and your instinct in this present moment. What you have control of is this present moment, and that's what you need to put your attention on and take action. It doesn't mean sit in the corner and wait for things to happen. You actually do a lot more, you're a lot more productive, and things happen a lot better when you just focus on the present moment and just see what shows up. So that's the two things I do. Not think about too much about the future and where my life's going to go. And secondly, just enjoy this present moment and put what I've got into it.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

I actually think that you said a whole lot more than that, too, to not give in to fear, to just take the next moment, to trust your intuition, to stay in the present, you're conserving energy. Like you actually gave so many golden nuggets, and I really appreciate that. I think it's going to be very helpful for anybody listening.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Absolutely. Thank you so much for your time today.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

And uh we stay in touch.

SPEAKER_02 32:53

Thank you.