Advice: Figure out how to hack yourself.

In this episode, we’re closing out Season 2 with our signature advice episode, but with a twist. No listener questions this time. Instead, Kristin and Loren reflect on what’s actually been working lately, from rethinking how we structure our time to reducing decision fatigue and figuring out how to “hack” ourselves in ways that make life feel lighter.

Along the way, they break down workplace behaviors (it’s cool or straight to corporate jail), assign chaotic coworker energy to Real Housewives, and revisit some of the best advice from this season’s guests. From inventing your own job to shutting up the voice in your head, it’s a reminder that there’s no single path. But there are patterns, habits, and small shifts that can change everything.

It’s part reflection, part chaos, and part practical wisdom. Exactly how we like to end a season.

Transcript

Kristin 0:03

Welcome to Everything Counts But Nothing Is Real, a podcast about careers, detours, and the absurdity of work. Here we explore the twists, the pivots, and the tiny choices that shape our work lives with humor, feminism, and honesty. I'm your host, Kristen. Let's get into it. Hello and welcome to Everything Counts But Nothing Is Real. Today's episode is our once per season advice episode. However, today we are not going to actually answer any questions. We're gonna try to find advice a bit more organically and we're gonna reflect on this season of life, this season of the podcast, things that we've been ruminating on, learning. Of course, I am joined by Lauren, my partner, who also joins us on the advice episode in season one. Welcome, Lauren.

Loren 0:52

Hello. Happy to be here.

Kristin 0:54

Yay! As most of you know, Lauren is my partner in life and also the editor, co-producer of this podcast. So Lauren's behind the scenes making this happen. And once a season, I make them come on and let everyone hear their voice.

Loren 1:08

Yeah, I'm a lot less comfortable on this side of the microphone, but uh that's okay.

Kristin 1:12

But you're also ruthlessly practical.

Loren 1:15

That I am.

Kristin 1:16

I do think there is a lot of career and life wisdom inside of you that is worthy of getting out of you.

Loren 1:24

It's a weird way to say that I'm old, but okay.

Kristin 1:28

One thing work-related that I want to talk about is your new work schedule, Lauren. I feel like it in and of itself is like a bit of advice, a bit of a lesson learned that is worthy of sort of sharing.

Loren 1:40

Yeah, I mean, really the advice is figure out how to hack yourself. It's uh been a very small change, but like I have discovered that I don't work well shifting projects during a day. I work much better if my days are like a bucket. Otherwise, I just get overwhelmed. And while my workload has not changed, I've changed the way that I organize it. So instead of doing work for a client a number of hours every day, I now do more work for them two days a week and then like a half day. Shifting it into buckets like that, I feel like I'm getting so much more done. The very first week that I even tried it, I suddenly did not feel like I was underwater and drowning like I had been for months. It was kind of miraculous. And it's just like a stupid little simple change that has completely changed how I feel about my workload.

Kristin 2:29

Watching you week one just be transformed, like you were lighter. I was like, okay, how do we translate this into those of us that, you know, are full-time employed by other people and not by ourselves? Like, how can I translate these same lessons? And I haven't necessarily landed on something that is quite as transformative for me, but it has me thinking about like blocking off certain afternoons or just different ways of blocking my time in a repetitive way so that I'm not constantly confused about what day it is and where I'm supposed to be and what I'm supposed to be focused on. I think that's it for me is like where am I supposed to be focused at any given moment?

Loren 3:05

And so for me, I I run into just a crushing amount of decision fatigue every day trying to decide what I need to focus on. And now that's kind of taken away from me because I I know that like I only have these two days to get this work done. I know what I'm focusing on those two days, you know? And uh that alone has just been a huge weight off. And I think it's the yeah, like the decision of needing to decide where to put my energy, it's kind of decided for me, which is great.

Kristin 3:33

And if the sheer volume of ADHD content that I receive on the internet is any indication of how many people are struggling with things like this, then I actually I wanted to talk about it here because like I know that other people are probably feeling similarly. Like, how do I organize my days and my thoughts and the things that I have to do because there are so many priorities in one week or one day? And what a success story, like yeah.

Loren 3:57

Thank you very much. I'm so proud. But yeah, I mean, and you know, um, I know buckets that big are probably not feasible for people who are, you know, in an embedded role. I'm I'm just happen to be fortunate that this works for me and that I'm able to execute on it. But maybe smaller buckets might still help whenever in a given day you might need to perform 10 or 15 unrelated tasks, figuring out how to like group them together so that it doesn't feel like 15 tasks. Maybe it feels like seven now. That alone could make you feel a little less burdened.

Kristin 4:28

Mine is, and I'm not that good at sticking to it, which I need to be because I think that would make my life easier. But one of mine is that I save emails for the end of the day. I try really hard not to look at my inbox all day so that I can be like, I'm switching from call to call, from topic to topic, but I'm not diving into my inbox trying to thoughtfully reply while also switching to other projects. So it's a micro way of doing that.

Loren 4:52

That's huge. Because throughout the day, every time that you stop doing one thing to look at and reply to an email, you start a process over again that involves getting back into a task. And that is a task in and of itself. So you've added something that you have to do. You have to now retransition back to the project that you were working on, and those little transitions really add up into ultimately more work but less output.

Kristin 5:18

Another thing you're doing on this topic is seeing a movie every week. So that's like part of your schedule, and I really love that for you.

Loren 5:25

Yes, I do love that as well. That gives me something to look forward to. Every Wednesday afternoon, I quit work around three o'clock and get on a train and go to Manhattan and watch a movie. And that's how I break up my week.

Kristin 5:39

Yes, Wednesday, right in the middle, and again, no decisions are being made.

Loren 5:43

And that is also huge because that decision fatigue would very easily make me skip going to see a movie, which in my particular case, that's the me time that I like to spend. Like that's an activity that I just absolutely enjoy. So it's important to do it, and I need to reduce the barrier to entry. So having a set time frame has also been transformative.

Kristin 6:03

And speaking of Wednesday movies, last week we saw Devil Wars Prada. And as we were seeing it, I thought, I bet there's something in here to pull out for this episode. And frankly, when I left, I was like, there probably still is something to pull out. But I was like, I just loved it so much and it was so pretty that I don't have a lot of substantial thoughts. But like it had so much commentary on the way that our world right now is funded and run, whether or not we, you know, we see someone at the top of a magazine, we think that she has all the power, but ultimately she doesn't. It's the billionaires. They're like, they're the ones with the power. And I do think it had a lot to say and a good point of view around our economy and work and leadership, but I was distracted by the beauty of it.

Loren 6:44

I mean, I too was distracted by the beauty of it and just how nostalgic it felt. I mean, first of all, how do all those people still look the same? That was 20 years ago. Like I don't look the same. What the fuck? That was my main takeaway was wow, everybody is stunning. But um yeah, but yes, you make a good point, actually. Uh, I think the big takeaway from that movie is that you're not a billionaire, you're not in charge.

Kristin 7:07

The ceiling is simply, are you a billionaire? And I think that's Miranda's character. Obviously, we see her as the pinnacle of power. That's what she's created. Surprised she's not. But I also think that that is a little bit by design. I think that there's something there about leadership and about like how leaders do sort of need to build a little bit of a universe. That's like the best way to be effective in an environment like that, where you're at the very, very top. And it's also sort of intentional by the people even higher than her, so that they're flying under the radar. Their power is flying under the radar. You know, the question that I ask everyone in the lightning round what is something about your job that looks glamorous but isn't exactly? Most people's answer is like, my whole job. And I think that movie really personifies that. And no matter how much Miranda makes and what we think of as like success and a lot of money, it's not the end all be all. We're gonna transition into our first segment of this episode. And that segment is called Who Did This? I will read workplace scenarios, and then Lauren and I are going to decide who on the real housewives of Beverly Hills cast would have done that.

Loren 8:20

Quick point of clarity. Are we limited to the current cast or can we go back into the archive? Oh, we're going back. Sweet. So we have the entire Beverly Hills universe to do that.

Kristin 8:30

All of Beverly Hills.

Loren 8:32

Fantastic.

Kristin 8:33

Now I know that not everyone is as tapped in as we are, but right now the latest season has just wrapped. It is top of mind for many, many humans in this world, and we're gonna do it. Ready?

Loren 8:43

Let's go.

Kristin 8:44

Okay, here's the first scenario. Someone sends a 2 a.m. Slack message that says, just had a thought. What if we completely reimagine the org structure smiley face? Then they don't respond for 14 hours.

Loren 8:56

Oh, that's Dorite.

Kristin 8:58

Yeah, it definitely feels like Darit is Dore. It could also be now I'm going off script here, but like I could see a world in which it's like Andy Cohen, you know? In which it's like the powers that be.

Loren 9:10

Sure, sure, sure. But Darie thinks she's a power that be because she is the center of her own universe.

Kristin 9:16

So she is the main character in her head. The next scenario is someone says quick question in a meeting and then tells a six-minute story with three side plots and no question.

Loren 9:28

I'm gonna go with Sutton on that one. Sutton is a good one for that. Well, she loves a good tangent and a good story, so she does love a good story.

Kristin 9:36

And with her like her accent and her southern sensibilities, she can tell a story. Yeah. And she is not one to ask a lot of questions.

Loren 9:43

No. Sometimes she thinks she's asking a question, but she's really like telling a parable and then looking for your reaction, and that is her question.

Kristin 9:51

Yeah. So and that feels particularly southern to me.

Loren 9:55

Very southern, exactly. Right. I'm gonna tell you a very long story and then watch your face while I do, and then I will have my uh question answered.

Kristin 10:02

Yeah, answers abound. The next scenario writes per my last email, but the last email was sent 11 minutes ago.

Loren 10:10

Ooh, Bose.

Kristin 10:11

I was thinking Bose. And then I was thinking, well, for like a hot minute, I thought, I thought Erica, because she's very I said what I said, but she's not gonna do it 11 minutes later.

Loren 10:21

No, she'll give you time. But Bose is, you know, she's a bad business bitch. Like she's busy and she wants to know what's happening.

Kristin 10:28

So she does not have time for this.

Loren 10:30

She does not have time for this, and I respect it.

Kristin 10:32

Mm-hmm. Schedules a 4 30 p.m. Friday meeting titled Quick Sync Smiley Face.

Loren 10:38

My gut says Kyle.

Kristin 10:40

I thought Kyle, and then I thought Jennifer Tilly. Only because the smiley.

Loren 10:43

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Jennifer Tilly, too.

Kristin 10:45

Like, I don't think Jennifer Tilly would mean it to be mean, but then people would be offended by it anyway because they like don't understand Jennifer Tilly.

Loren 10:51

Yes. If you're offended by Jennifer Tilly, it's because you don't understand Jennifer Tilly. That's all there is to it.

Kristin 10:56

I love how obvious our biases are. I don't care. Uh, let's see. Opens a team meeting with before we start, I just want to share, I'm going through something personal and then really goes there. Amanda. Amanda. I was gonna say that's to read again, but Amanda is a great one. And honestly, kind of all of them would do that. They would, but she would mean it. And like, I mean this in the maybe the nicest way possible. And the the millennial tears would arrive. And then all those like boomers would be like, why is she crying?

Loren 11:25

I love how uncomfortable she makes them. Hilarious.

Kristin 11:29

There has to be one on every season. Here's the last one. And there is actually only one answer for this one. I wrote this one specific. I the rest I kind of like I haven't looked at in weeks, but I wrote this one specific. Calls an all-team meeting to address an ongoing issue with missing snacks in the kitchen, refuses to end the meeting until someone takes accountability and keeps saying, I just need someone to own it.

Loren 11:51

It's obviously Lisa Rena.

Kristin 11:53

Own it. Own it. We can never let Lisa Rena off the hook.

Loren 11:57

Yeah, no, we can't, we can't let Lisa off. She deserves to be razzed a bit.

Kristin 12:01

So, like of the current cast, who would be like a good coworker and who would be your nightmare coworker?

Loren 12:08

I think Bose would be the best coworker because she is so high energy and so smart and would really like carry her weight in a way that you would want a coworker to do. I mean, she'd wind up being your boss, but that's okay. You wouldn't mind because she would deserve it. And then your nightmare, Amanda or Dorite.

Kristin 12:27

Yeah, I think um I would agree Bose is obviously profesh. Like, you just honestly can't not name her as the best one. Then I have a slight obsession with Erica. If Erica was my coworker though, I'd be so scared of her.

Loren 12:41

I would be terrified of her, but I do think she would be a good coworker. She would definitely be my number two.

Kristin 12:46

She would be my ride or die that I like go and have drinks with later and talk shit about things with, but I would be so nervous because she is a straight shooter.

Loren 12:57

It's not gonna be us you, and that is deeply uncomfortable.

Kristin 13:00

Yes, you know, like because like what if I did something wrong and now Erica Jane is giving me direct feedback. Oh, die. And then yeah, to be clear, my nightmare coworker would be Dorid because she just never stops talking. Good time. Good time. Okay. The next segment is a continuation of something we did in our first advice episode. And that is a rapid fire, it's cool or straight to corporate jail.

Loren 13:27

Okay.

Kristin 13:27

And some of these that might even be repeats. I don't care because we're, you know, gut reaction. Maybe you feel different today. So I'm just gonna name a couple prompts, one at a time, and then we will say it's cool or straight to corporate jail. The first one is per my last email.

Loren 13:41

I think it's cool. I have encountered many situations that call for a per my last email.

Kristin 13:46

I'm straight to corporate jail on it. So like I understand its utility, but it is shots fired.

Loren 13:51

It is, but as long as you understand that that's what you're doing, I think that there is a time and place for it. Like, don't have not read my last email and then like at me in your next one. That is a per my last email. This is what's happening.

Kristin 14:05

It's so necessary, but it makes me cringe. But also our opposing views on it is very indicative of the different industries that we work in.

Loren 14:16

Yes, and the different levels that we're at.

Kristin 14:20

If I did that, like, oh my God, someone would cry.

Loren 14:23

That to your staff. My God, no.

Kristin 14:24

I guess the point of that one is know who you are, who you're dealing with, and what that impact is.

Loren 14:30

Yes, the context is extremely important if you're going to do something as aggressive as part of my last email.

Kristin 14:36

Call us, we'll advise. Um, the next one is blocking calendar for fake focus time. I actually think it's cool, but I think this might be another one of those positionality things.

Loren 14:47

Yeah, I mean, I think it's cool up to a point.

Kristin 14:50

Yeah, I don't want to see a whole calendar constantly blocked. But like I'll block a couple hours off for focus time and I may use it for focus time or I may use it for something else, but all I know is I need to not have a call in those two hours.

Loren 15:03

I think that's completely fair. So, you know, use it responsibly.

Kristin 15:08

Okay, saying the words circle back.

Loren 15:10

Straight to corporate jail.

Kristin 15:11

It's cool. I mean, it's cool because I just I catch myself saying, like, it's how do these words get so embedded in our lives? I don't know. It's cringy. Anyway, tell me why it's uh straight to corporate jail.

Loren 15:24

Well, for me, and my job is, you know, different than a lot of people's, but the more meetings I'm in, the more I'm talking to somebody about the work. That's the less time I'm actually doing the work, and therefore I'm a less productive employee. So I like to, you know, not have to have more conversations than I have to. We're gonna circle back means you want to talk about this again. Like can we just talk about it now? You already have me.

Kristin 15:46

You know what I mean? Okay, that's real. Okay, but you know what? I okay, I don't necessarily say circle back in these instances, but I use this concept as a leader so that people don't push me into a rush decision.

Loren 15:58

And I will say I find there to be a very distinct difference between I'm going to ponder this and get back to you versus let's circle back to that later. And I would say that your approach means it's less likely that you're gonna have to circle back because you've taken the time to make a grounded decision that you're not going to have to reverse later.

Kristin 16:17

Mm-hmm. Oh yeah. And that's one of my pet peeves is reversing decisions. And that's part of why I'm like absolutely worse.

Loren 16:22

That's even worse than having to circle back on it.

Kristin 16:24

Yeah, you will get a delayed decision before you will get me reversing a decision. Okay, this one is really probably controversial. Camera always off.

Loren 16:34

I'm leaning towards straight to corporate jail, but I mean that that might be a little harsh because there are reasons, but generally speaking, I find it makes it a little bit harder to connect appropriately to be able to then function on a team, you know?

Kristin 16:51

Yeah. I also can't say it's cool or straight to corporate jail on record in this format. Why? Because I do have staff that do it and I am not going to dictate what I think they should do. I have my opinions about the value of being on camera and how that builds relationship and goodwill, but I simply will not tell them that they must be on camera.

Loren 17:11

It is a personal decision, and I do understand, but it also does make it harder to build camaraderie and therefore to work cohesively on a team and that can cause issues.

Kristin 17:22

But I really respect it. I respect the idea of it as a boundary. I again am like, okay, you should consider finding ways to build with people, whatever that looks like. Like you're gonna have to do different things and go out of your way a little bit just because people now don't know your face and don't just it takes a little more work. I think you really have to be cognizant of that. But I just can't bring myself to care enough to force someone. I have so many more on this list, but I am looking at the time. So I'm gonna ask one last one a Slack message that just says hi.

Loren 17:53

Straight to corporate jail.

Kristin 17:54

Straight to corporate jail. Why? Just tell me why you're here and what you want. Why? Okay, we can end that there before we get canceled. Yes, that's probably a good idea. It seems wise. It seems wise. In the last few minutes of this episode, I just wanted to talk about some of this season. I think that rather than like droning on with uh advice from questions, let's look back at some advice that our guests have given. Advice, general ways of living. And then, of course, I love the part of the lightning round where people tell us the best advice they ever got. It's always full of incredible nuggets. I just want to remind ourselves and the listeners like how much good shit was in this season and like the nuggets that we need to be like holding on to as we move forward. So Amber was our first episode of season two, and her advice was around inventing your own jobs. That was the best advice she had heard about how like the jobs that you're gonna have have not been invented yet. And then she kind of took that and embodied that in her career. And then she also really had a thesis around being open to stuff because no one pivoted more. Amber was willing to say yes to something and then dive right in.

Loren 19:06

Absolutely. I just love that about her. As she said, making her own shaped hole and filling that. And that's just much better than trying to fill a space that doesn't fit you.

Kristin 19:16

Yeah. May we all find our own shaped holes in workplaces and get to shine. Next, we had Zakia. And I, you know, had the deep pleasure of working literally next to Zakia for a couple of years. And she's a deep well of advice and wisdom. She talked about making a friend before you need a friend. Beautiful advice. Like she's like, build that community. That community builds you. And she talked about looking for moments where you feel useful and making sure you're using your gifts. And everything that she said, all of her advice, and again, like the thesis of hers was really around community. It was around like plugging in. You know what you're good at, and you gotta plug in. You gotta use those talents for good.

Loren 20:00

The next episode was Josie. And I really, well, I loved, I loved her entire episode. I thought it was fantastic. But I particularly loved her off-track advice, uh, where she said, you're not off track, you're laying a new track. And I mean, I think that ultimately a lot of the answers to that question were kind of dancing around that, but I just really liked the way that she framed it. I thought it, you know, that that was exactly the right way to think about it is you are maybe you're not going the place that you were before, you're going somewhere new.

Kristin 20:30

Yeah. I also loved the like constructioniness of laying a track.

Loren 20:36

Leave it to her. Leave it to her to be building a new track. Of course, she is. That's yeah.

Kristin 20:42

Like quite literally laying a new track. And honestly, also it paints a picture. It's like a cartoonish picture for me of like where you are is where your track is. You know, if we think about that like idea of like you're on your track, you can't leave your track. Where you are is where your track is. Um, Brielle and her, again, knowing her for so many years and having watched her career from such a like front row seat, Brielle asks questions and she put herself out there. That her episode is advice on how to network, how to do cold outreach. Like these are sort of arts that are a little bit lost, and she is a masterclass.

Loren 21:22

And she just so meticulously constructed her career. I found a lot of hope in that and that, you know, you can make a plan and learn these things and then execute on that plan and then boom, be doing what you always wanted to do. I just thought it was very inspiring.

Kristin 21:39

Very, like we all have our own path, but she's not someone who let her career happen to her.

Loren 21:44

No, it is very well thought out, and she laid all the right track for it to be going exactly where she wanted it to go. And um, yeah, I think that's just very inspiring. The next episode was my aunt, Susan, and I mean, I just love her career because she She started in one place. She worked her way up to be a paralegal and then decided to just completely jump lanes into a a different career path. And now she's a massage therapist and has a completely different relationship to her work and to um money and how she measures success. And I think that's fantastic.

Kristin 22:21

I agree. I I was really inspired by her naming the fact that you can just change your markers of success. Like whatever they were, they're allowed to change. And then you can do the thing that feels right for you in that moment. The next episode was Vera. And I one thing about Vera is that like I think that in a lot of ways, Vera feels like her career did just happen to her. But what I want to point out is that she studied things like American studies. She moved countries. She followed a timeline that worked for her life. And it actually, it didn't just happen to her. Like she made so many interesting and intentional moves. She supported her husband while he climbed his ladder. And then he got to support her while she climbed hers. Those were all very intentional things that just didn't feel intentional in the moment necessarily.

Loren 23:10

And she's also a a good lesson on having an idea of what you want to do. And then in this case, I'm specifically referring to her wanting to move back to Europe from the United States. And there were several points at which she wanted to go ahead and make that change, but the timing just didn't work out. But nevertheless, she persisted, you know? And now there they are. They're exactly where she wants to be, and they're both have great jobs and are thriving. But I think she's a real lesson in both perseverance and patience.

Kristin 23:43

For sure. Nicole with an H, she was so inspiring because she pivoted hard. She was a doctor and she just had this whole career and all this education that took to get there. And then she was like, I'm going to do this other thing. And people told her, that's silly. Don't do that. Why would you do that? I think she gave us the worst advice she ever received. And it was like, don't do that. And ultimately, that is incredibly bad advice. And instead, she took it and flipped it and said, I'm doing it anyway, and was incredibly successful. And you know, the whole point of her journey has really been about like not fearing the unknown and like not being afraid of sort of what's around that corner that you can't see yet.

Loren 24:23

Also, like not internalizing that kind of bad feedback, you know. I mean, I know that I would have struggled with not being completely crushed by someone saying that to me. So I'm impressed with her for being able to put it in its rightful place, which was the garbage can, and then proceed with her plan anyway, and really show that guy how stupid he's out.

Kristin 24:47

I know. It it does take a lot of fortitude to be able to be like, no.

Loren 24:52

It does. And uh, that in itself is really something that I respect.

Kristin 24:57

Now, Megan's advice really caught me off guard in the best way. Because so many people say, if you're off track, that's okay. There's no track. And I do believe that. And also, Megan was like, okay, but sometimes you really do know what you want, and you should just go after it. And you should quote, get your shit together. Because how many times are we in our own way?

Loren 25:18

That was probably my favorite advice because it aligns well with my ethos. And it's not like pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of bullshit, but it is true. Like things often aren't just going to fall in your lap and happen at you. You have to engage with them somehow. And sometimes what you need to be told is to get your shit together because nothing's going to happen to you from your couch.

Kristin 25:40

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sometimes you have to first feel your feelings and then snap out of it and don't be in your own way. Her episode managed to be both really sharp but truly hilarious. She did a really good job of helping us find both things in her journey. Then there was Lauren, whose advice was around being your own advocate. And, you know, that she built a nonprofit. And so every single day she has to be an advocate for that nonprofit. Its survival relies on her. And that nonprofit's mission is to help women be advocates for themselves. And so I really think that, like, wrapped up in all of her work and all of her journey is advocating and knowing what you need and being okay, being loud about that.

Loren 26:24

Absolutely. And her organization providing a service to basically help people advocate for themselves specifically in the health sphere is huge because I know that personally that is absolutely where I get shut down the most. You could walk into a doctor's office missing an arm and they'd still be like, I don't know, you look fine.

Kristin 26:43

So could we consider losing weight?

Loren 26:46

Yeah. Maybe you should try dieting and eating more protein. And yeah. The next episode was Nicole, and I really love her journey. I feel like it's very grounded in reality and what many of us experience, which has kind of been peppered with rejection, but she has managed to pivot and still press on and finds herself in a in a job now that she's enjoying and well suited to. And uh it's another lesson in persistence.

Kristin 27:19

In persistence and like acceptance, I think she's allowed to be happy in her role and be disappointed in like not having made it the thing she thought she wanted. My favorite moment, I wrote down in my notes, explore Buddhism lol, because I love that that was part of her advice for being off track. And by and by explore Buddhism, she she means exploring some of these main concepts around like impermanence. Like nothing is permanent. You this moment, this job, it's gonna pass. Whether it's amazing or not amazing, it's gonna pass. And so we have to be present, we have to enjoy it, or we have to just have a little patience and know that it will pass.

Loren 27:54

Absolutely. Her episode is definitely a lesson in this two shall pass. And yeah, kind of just finding contentment wherever you are.

Kristin 28:01

Liz was our last episode of the season, and her favorite advice that she ever received was shut that bitch up in your head.

Loren 28:08

Oh, yeah. I thought that was beautiful. I needed that. That spoke to my soul.

Kristin 28:12

You know what it also said to me? I mean, Liz, global co-head of like she is to me a success capital S, like, you know, incredible. And it reminds me that no matter where we are in our careers or how much like positional power we have, we have that bitch in our head. And she probably has so many days where she doesn't feel like she's global co-head of anything. So it was a reminder to be like, damn right, I'm here right now, and I'm allowed to have a little imposter syndrome and also be a bad bitch and also tell that bitch in my head to shut up.

Loren 28:47

Also enjoyed her consistency of her philosophy of bringing people up with her, that there's no need to cut others down and it only benefits you to raise them up.

Kristin 28:59

My God. Like end it there, put a period on it. That was perfect, Lauren. And she was the perfect person to sort of end with for that reason, because we don't need to be giving advice so much as we need to be like remembering what all of these incredible people have shared with us and the lessons that we know that they carry, they shared, and that our listeners know in their hearts and carry with them. So this is the end of season two. We are going to take a brief break, get our lives together, hopefully. We're gonna return on what date, Lauren?

Loren 29:32

June 10th. We will be back on June 10th. So we're gonna take a brief break, collect ourselves, and be back with you in June.

Kristin 29:40

I can't wait to come back in June. I can't wait for you to hear the next round of stories we have lined up for you. I am always so stupid grateful that you're here and that you're listening and that you're on this journey with us. Please find us, come say hi to us on LinkedIn, on Instagram, at our website, all our everything counts pod. And we'll see you on June 10th. Bye y'all. Bye y'all. Thanks for listening to everything counts, but nothing is real. Remember, even when nothing feels real, everything you do counts. Capitalism may be absurd, but so are we. And on that note, well, it's been real. Don't forget to subscribe. I'm Kristen. I'll see you next time.