Empowering Entrepreneurs through Business and Arts with Janet Tanguay

 Meet Janet Tanguay, CEO of Hammock Way of Life, a visionary coach, author, artist, and songwriter. Guided by her mantra, “Leap and the hammock will appear,” Janet helps clients find purpose, navigate life transitions, and focus their dreams through vision boards. A champion of creativity, trust, and intentional living, she combines business advisory with expressive arts to empower entrepreneurs and creatives. Through her coaching, mastermind groups, and international training, Janet inspires others to embrace their potential and create a lasting impact. 

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hullien and Balvin with Dr. Bibi. Today I have with me Janet Tangwe. Janet, did I pronounce your name correctly? Absolutely, yes. That's a great pronunciation. Yes. Perfect. Okay. So Janet Tangwe is the CEO of Hammock Way of Life. So we have a lot we have to ask questions on Hammock Way of Life. I really want to know what that does. A business advisory and a vision board coaching certification and training company. Tangwe helps people to find their higher purpose and navigate important life transitions, career, business, life. Oh, that covers such a lot of things at once. You must be a genius trying to do so much together. She is also an author, an artist, a record level owner, and runs a creative mastermind group on Facebook. There's a whole lot of questions that's already coming in my head. Fine then. Let's begin, Janet, with asking you, what is your mantra?

SPEAKER_01 1:15

What is my mantra? So thank you for the invite. I really appreciate uh you inviting me here today. Um, my mantra for many years has been leap and the hammock will appear. And I was thinking about other ways that I could explain that mantra to you. And some of the other things I came up with were risk is the rhythm of growth. My intuition is my parachute. I am the net. I leap with faith, and life catches me. And the unknown is not empty, it's full of possibility. So that's kind of what leap and the hammock will appear means to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Oh, lovely. So you're talking about leap and the hammock appears, which means you're talking about faith.

unknown 1:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

You're in a way talking about trust. Ah, these are very, very strong. I don't think they're just words, they are strong emotions in today's business life, which is slowly and steadily, you know, disappearing. We don't see a lot of trust in each other, we don't see a lot of faith in each other. I am going to ask you about how uh can I do a deep dive straight into asking you how do you work with people, with your clients, on um building their trust?

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Yeah, yeah. So that's a that's a great question. And and I'm I'm sort of learning that as I as I go internationally now, right? I'm my local clients trust me. Um I'm in New York and and my New York clients trust me that it's sort of the whole, you know, there's a lot of people in New York that I know now, but as I'm branching out, you're right. How did they how do they know me? And the the way I do that is I trust my my gut. You know, when you feel like something's not quite right in your belly, right? Or you get chills, right? You get chills or something like that. I just trust the small shifts that my my body feels when either I'm connecting with someone, and you can tell, you know, when you're speaking to somebody if your values are aligned around the same things. And and that's sort of how I I've at people. If they're not a fit, they're not a fit. And and people can, you know, do their own thing. But but when we talk about different things, I can sort of tell if my values are aligned. And that's my north star. My values are my north star. So anytime that I shift away from those things, I go back to my values and my north star and say, is this right for me? And either my body will tell me, my mind will tell me, I'll get a sign of some sort, and and I'll be able to trust that intuition. So that's how I do it.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Oh okay. So you are expanding internationally. I am. Fantastic. Let's start from the beginning. When did you decide that you are going to be a coach?

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Yes, that's a great question. So I found my passion. I took an expressive arts course in um probably 20 years ago. And um what that taught me at that time I was sort of a perfectionist. I wanted things perfect and within my art and in music and anything, right? I just um wanted things to be perfect. And there's no such thing as perfection. And so what that taught me was that if you um let go of that idealism and that you can really move forward. And so it really helped me to move forward. I ended up working um at a chamber of commerce and uh running an entrepreneur boot camp. And I was watching all these other people take risks, leave jobs, do things like that. And um, and I loved coaching them. I loved coaching early stage launch businesses, you know, launching businesses. And it really, to me, resonated with me. And I knew that I knew I'd found my passion. So I knew whatever it was I did next, I wanted to do that. And and then what I started realizing was I especially loved working with creative businesses around coaching, whether that was food-based creativity or uh artists or all sorts of things. So um I uh I'm sort of a serial entrepreneur. I've loved several businesses over my lifetime. I had an art business where I um I helped people get into galleries and private collections and and coach them on the business of art. Did that for a while and um and I did some uh branding work and marketing work for a while, but um but the hammock way of life was really when I I leapt into full-time coaching.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

And how did you decide that the hammock way of life is going to be the name of your company? That's a great question, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:50

So two two two reasons. So um when I was teaching the class, a lot of times we would have guest instructors come in and teach something like financials or something like that. And and I would be sitting at the table, and when we went around the room to do the elevator pitches, I would be called on to do a pitch, right? And I was already teaching, and and so, but, but so the joke in the class sort of became I want to be in a hammock in the next five years. And so someone said you should start a business called the hammock way of life. And then I found out that 98% of people die with unfulfilled dreams, and I really wanted to flip that script. So my dream is to be in a hammock more often, and I help people live whatever their dreams are. So that's sort of how I named it. And it's resonated with people. People understand what it means. Being in a hammock doesn't mean laziness, it means you're relaxing, taking care of yourself, refreshing, so that you do have the energy to help other people.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

Lovely. Yes, I do agree with you. The more the the the first time you know you spoke about the hammock way of life to me, the the imagery in my head was a hammock, and I was and I was lying in it uh with a stream running by me and the uh a hillside, you know, by the hillside and a lot of green and trees and all that. So, yes, it does, it does give me that that uh you know, it does connect. Yes, that's that's exactly what happens, yes.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

So let's talk about you spoke about the vision board coaching. So let's talk about that a little more. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Actually, you just gave a beautiful image of what I would do as somebody when I was visualizing, right? So a lot of times when you're starting with people coaching about starting a business or a career, people are visualizing what that dream is, right? You just visualized a dream of being in a hammock, right? So vision boarding is taking that image that's in your head and putting it on paper. I usually have people start out by journaling and then we use um, and it can be it can be digital, it can be on Canva or print printress or something like that, um, mural, um, or it can be um on with scissors and glue sticks, right? It can be be that way as well. Using magazines, using your own images that you print out, uh, different things. I happen to like using magazines because it gets people out of their heads. They don't come into it with pre-conceived knowledge, they can sort of go through it and pick out what images that they love and all of that, and and and then maybe find people that they admire in the in the images and and all of that. But it's really creating a roadmap to what you want your dreams to be, whether it be around love or travel or vacation or business or any sort of thing, right? So we can do them um with lots of dreams on the board, it could be fitness, could be a lot of things, and and or we can do it, you know, just one aspect of that. So um, and it's really, you know, people love love doing it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

And uh how does this tie in with your business advisory, or is it parallel?

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Um, it it does because I I typically um what what happens to a lot of people that want to start businesses is that they have a lot of ideas. They have, I want to do this and I want to do this, and then they see a shiny object and they want to go do that, or they see someone else doing something, right? I it's a common phenomenon among entrepreneurs that they're just a lot of it's a lot of um great ideas coming in, but then they don't really know what they want to focus on. So a vision board helps them focus. If they do five vision boards, we sometimes see, oh, this is the one that really resonates you because it has the most vibrant colors or it has the most words on it or something. So I might do multiple vision boards for somebody who's really struggling on should I choose this path or this path? So it really does come into the business advising often.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Ah, so it is tied in. And what you said is so correct. Being an entrepreneur myself, I understand the the absolute, I'm I totally relate to the fact that you know you have five or six ideas running in your head and you want to do that and you want to do this, and which is so so true. But let's talk a little more about yourself. Uh, let me ask you how uh I find that you are an you have an like I introduced you as an author. So could you tell me more about how did you start writing?

SPEAKER_01 10:09

Yes. So I do wear a lot of creative hats, and that's really the hat. People say, Oh, you you're doing so many things, but it all revolves around creativity. If you look at my well, I have one big creative hat with with lots of different things in it, right? So um, so I started out because um my brother and sister had children, I had nieces and nephews, and I wanted to give them something special. So I wrote a children's book and it was about nicknames. My father used to nickname all of us, and myself included, and um Buttercup was his nickname for me. And um, and so I wrote a book on nicknames for my nieces and nephews. And when I called it Dust Bunnies, Don't Eat Carrots, Dust Bunnies is a nickname that you give those Dust Bunnies under beds. Um, it took it took off. People really love the whole Dust Bunnies, don't eat carrots uh concept. So that was my first children's book. And you know, I made mistakes. I was a first-time self-published author, and I did the book Saddle Stitch from a printer. Um, and saddle stitched means it sits on a bookshelf and it has staples and you can't see the binding, right? So I learned lessons there. And it was just for my niece's nephew, so I didn't think it was going to become popular. So when it became popular, I was surprised. And so then I decided to to publish the book a little bit more professionally. I went through uh Amazon at the at the time, I think it was called Book Surge. Um, they changed the title of the several times. Um, and uh they guide you through the whole thing. And my second book is called B B B E and then B E E. It's about being who you want to be when you grow up, kind of you know, letting go of a job and into creativity. So um it's a Bumblesbee's path toward toward being who she wants to be when she grows up. So those are two books. And then the other uh series of books is a is a book on how to do business in New York State. Those are those are uh books on um how to write a business plan, business model canvas. Um there's something in New York State called Minority and Women Business Enterprise Certification, so a book on that, and um and one on just pre and pro boner resources that I found over the years for small business owners. So there's three, and those are all on on Amazon. And I have uh another book in the works. It's a part memoir and part um business book. It's about um some stories, some stories from my life, which I can't get into now, but it's coming soon. I might tell one story today, but um, so yeah, just different things that have happened. Yes, yes, please share, please share. Please, please give us a taste of what's coming. A taste of what's coming? Okay, so this is about um let's see, let's vulnerability, right? So um, so and sort of what led me down the path to um to art, right? We talked about art a little bit. So I took so my senior year in college, I had one course to go, and um I wanted, I thought I wanted to take something that was going to be easy because I just wanted to get to graduation. I'd taken all the courses that I needed to graduate. So I looked at some different courses, wine tasting, and you have to memorize every region and all the world. That seemed hard. So anyway, I ended up in a studio art class, but I was not a studio art major. So I was with a lot of people who had been studio art majors for the entire time. And somehow I got into this class, and it was a three-dimensional design class where you had to design something out of a two by four. You had to take a two by four and then without using nails, design different things. And so our first assignment was to design a box, not just a box, right? Box with no nails, just the box out of this two by four. So I had four sides, I had a lovely lid, right? The lid came off, and I was so proud of my my box, right? So we had to bring them into class covered up, and they're all covered up under here. And the first person uh to show it was one of the studio art majors, and she gets up in front of the room and her box lights up, it has drawers that pull out, it was shaped like the Eiffel Tower. It was the most amazing box that I'd ever seen in my whole life, right? Wow, it was a wow factor, right? So already I'm like, oh my goodness, I just I have this box. So I go up and I get my box, and just as a simple box, it has four sides and a lid, right? That is all that it is. And so I go up to talk about it, and my box hit nicked to the side of the table and fell apart. Okay, yeah. So I again pick it up, talk about my box, humiliated, bring it back, cover it up. Everyone did these lovely boxes. I had to, you know, sit there after and listen to all these other stories about and see these beautiful pieces of work. So I thought I had failed. If I had failed this class, I'm also probably going to not graduate, right? So I got my grades, and then back then there was no internet, so I'm older. Um, so we got our grades in the mail, and we um I opened up um the envelope and I got an A. And I could not understand why. And when I went to talk to the professor, he said, it's because it takes a lot of vulnerability to be an artist, and you didn't run out of the room crying, you're gonna be a great artist, and get out of here before I change my mind. So that was definitely important. Get out of here. It was a pivotal moment in my life, and so um, so that's one of the stories I tell in my in my book that you get a oh lovely.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

Okay, okay, I get it, I get it. So, there this book I think is going to be very interesting because it is going to be filled with so many stories of your your personal experiences and pivotal moments, which you are then going to, you know. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Yes. Okay, now let's talk about you being an artist. So you paint.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

I do, I do. I'm a I'm a mixed media artist, so yeah. So I use um broken musical instrument parts in my work. And the the way I was led to that was that um visiting businesses. I I visited a music store one time that was going out of business and he was looking to maybe sell it. And I went downstairs in the basement and there were all these broken musical instrument parts there. And I said, What what happens to these? The do you repair them? And he said, No, this is just kind of where they go to die. If I need a part for an instrument, I'll come down here and get the part. But there were some that looked pretty good, and I felt bad for them that they were down in this basement doing nothing. And so I said, You know, I think I need to figure out a way to to bring these musical instruments back to life. So uh he sold me a few of the pieces of violin and um and uh flute and all sorts of instruments, and um, and then I started creating art out of them, and it resonated with other people, so so I I create work with with uh with musical instruments.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

So that must be huge, huge ones. I mean, your your canvas must be pretty big. I mean it must be sometimes they're big.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Sometimes I put pieces in it. So somebody somebody gave me a gift, another artist one time gifted me the guts of a piano, and so that's pretty big, right? And so but I realized within the piano guts are um keypads, and they kind of look like feathers. So I created a a peacock that has uh these keypads that look like um peacock feathers, right? So it's piano keypads, but they became um and then a ukulele neck became the neck, and and um I put in guitar picks and strings and so all sorts of things. So sometimes it can be huge, and other times I can you know work the smaller pieces of an instrument into the into the piece.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Wow. This is very interesting. And uh, I mean, are they uh do you hold exhibitions or things like that for that?

SPEAKER_01 17:39

I did for a long time and I have a few pieces left. I haven't because I've been so busy coaching, this is the challenge with coaching, right? So I'm I'm so busy trying to make other people's genes commuters that I I don't focus on it as much, but I I do have about a I don't know, maybe a dozen pieces left in my inventory, and um and that I but I haven't put them out in a while. I was thinking about it the other day to to have a show again would be sort of interesting because I've evolved and um to see if if maybe a new generation is interested in this art.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

So right, yeah, that's exactly, you know, if you have 12 pieces, that should be enough to to have a show. It's it's enough to have it, it's just about enough to have a show, you know. 12 pieces would be, yeah. So that would be lovely, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you also sing.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

No, actually, that's a great that's a great uh that's a great um I have uh I love to put people together. So when I say that I created a song, um my my friend Bob knew that I wanted to write music, so I wrote the lyrics, and um he helped me, uh Bob Frederick um put put it all together, and then we uh we had Jaya Rael was the singer. She's uh eight at the time she was 18 years old and just a beautiful, beautiful voice. And um, and she helped us create the final pieces of the song to really make it. It's called Smell the Rain. And um my my music name and my art name is Jazzy Jan, and that's how you find me on LinkedIn as well. And um, and so um anyway, it's on Spotify, and um that's how you can find us. So the three of us created that that particular song, and now I'm working on another one with a whole series of different musicians, so yeah. Oh yeah, so so you're still working on on your music, yes, yes, but I don't think I I I I took piano lessons when I was younger, but I don't I don't really I rely on other musicians to kind of bring my vision to life. So okay, so you actually write the lyrics, yes, yes. Okay, so you're a songwriter, yes, yes, that's a bit of a lovely and my I put uh I don't know if you know her, but Diane Warren is one of my heroes. She has written a lot of songs for a lot of musicians, and um anyway, she's kind of in the background of a lot of famous, really famous, well-known uh songs, and so my I'm kind of aspiring to be her.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

So but that's lovely. I mean, uh who can just think of you know that uh I'm not talking to a coach today, I'm talking to a multifaceted individual, it's not just a coach, and this kind of a person, a multifaceted person, makes an amazing coach as far as I know, you know, because you bring in your learnings and your experiences from your various fields, and then you bring it together. I myself paint, I do I do oils, I only do oils. So uh I have not painted for years, I think. It takes me a lot of time to get one out, and after I get that out, I really have to sit on it for some time. It's like being pregnant for nine months and three getting one up.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Yeah, yeah, that's what it's interesting. That's what someone told me early on is that at some point you have to be finished with any creative project, with a book, with you can keep going and going and going, but when is when does it end and when is it sort of ready for the public in your mind, right? You it can't, again, it's that perfectionism thing. You can't wait for it to be just perfect, you have to just get it out there and stop at some point.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

Yeah, exactly. I think that's very important. Uh that you know, to to make to make uh your clients understand that as a coach or from one coach to another, it's very important to make the clients understand that that's what it is. Now move on, you know?

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Perfectionism doesn't happen in one day or in one piece of work. You just have to move on to the next one, and then it'll happen one day. So you just have to keep going. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

So tell me more about creative mastermind.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Yeah, so um, so when I left my position at the chamber, people wanted a way to stay in touch with me. So I started um a cre um at that time it was called, it's still called that, an entrepreneur meetup group, but it's become a creative mastermind because I know so many creative people where it's more of a creative mastermind group than an entrepreneur meetup, although there's still quite a few entrepreneurs in there. but we have fashion designers, college professors, uh people that are doing um uh art and music and web design and so it's really a lot of different people who just come together and um it's a different sort of it's not real sales and marketing type it's we help each other can make connections we some we actually had a conference one year it was called creative fusion and so it was a combination of film um improvisational acting um music um food as art just brought together a bunch of creative people into a really beautiful creative space um at one of the college union college close by and so yeah so um it was a it was great so yeah so it's bringing together a lot of creative minds just to talk about we have a play date where we just play sometimes and and all sorts of things and and so it's it's sort of fun just to get out of that work mode into something creative. Yep yep wow and how do you get time for all of these things? I don't well I don't have children so that's part of it. I have lovely um um uh nieces and nephews that I adore who also have kids um I love my you know family but um I think that's part of it is that um I know people spend a lot of time with their their children so I think have making creative space I I call my entrepreneurs those are like my children I watch them grow and I nurture them and all of that so that's been my my heart over the years so yeah 5 53 p.m oh it is 5 53 pm is my watch talks to me sometimes and I don't know why that's lovely that's just lovely so uh you spoke about expanding your coaching practice I am and uh you also spoke about you know that you there are challenges I know as a coach I have a challenge you know generating leads for me is a major challenge and what what are your what are your challenges? Yeah so we talked about trust earlier and how I'm very trusted in my own community and and beyond that regionally and statewide but as I expand internationally especially I you know I'm meeting people for the first time and there I mean I still I send them to my recommendations I have lots of recommendations and testimonials and things like that. But it's a two-way street it's a matter of us trusting each other and and the work that that we do. And so my my goal especially with the vision board coaching one of the aspects of my business that has really taken off and it was sort of a surprise after the vision boarding came together is that I'm going out and and teaching vision vision boarding still but I need help sometimes. So um it might be a huge group of people I think the biggest one we've done is is around a hundred and I need other coaches to come on board to to help me with that piece of it. So I decided to train people in my methodology of vision boarding and so um so I'm bringing on coaches internationally and so right now we have I think there's up on the website there's 30 and by the end of the year it'll be 50 and we're hoping to be in 25 countries and every state in the United States um soon and just keep going from there. So um so that's our our goal and it's and it's working. Yesterday we just trained uh two people one from the UK and one from South Africa so they're coming on board um and we have somebody in Canada and Mexico but that trust factor is how do how do I continue to try to you know to have trust in these people that I'm meeting virtually right so we're we're thinking about having a a conference um and bringing people here so that we can all meet in person and everybody gets to show their show the kind of coaching that they do and and all of that. So but I like connecting people and bringing people together and that sometimes build builds trust.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Fine yeah so I can see that you're actually building up something which is going to be there even when maybe you are not there.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Yes you're building something so this is your legacy absolutely yes yeah yeah it is um in fact it's sort of working because this particular week um I we're moving my mom from uh Vermont the state of Vermont to the state of New Hampshire and um and um I have other people that are running the creative mastermind group and to me that is beautiful because they they love it enough where they want to keep it going even if in my absence and and yeah absolutely I'm training other people to do what I do and I hope it lives long after I'm gone because I I really believe in the power of visioning and vision boarding. So absolutely yes and uh I'm a I consider myself a cheerleader and a champion and but I'm also um I'm not one of those loud cheerleaders and champions I I'm more of a business whisperer right or a vision whisperer right I do things quietly but I see that they have things happen in a powerful way and I'm I'm here for people to lean on when so I can kind of push them back out there right when they have questions or thoughts or you know things like that. Okay so what is the lasting impact you you you know you leave on your team um just to be open to dialogue and learning about other people I have a love of learning and I'm constantly learning and um and sometimes I started out with one theory or idea and it has really evolved. And so I want other people to evolve in the same way. And so I think and and understanding that people communicate in different ways right so I love it when I can really use all of my expressive arts tools like dance and music and art and all that because people express themselves differently some listen some some like things tactile right tactile things and so the the beauty of the arts in in that legacy sort of is that people can um express themselves in in a multitude of ways and uh what is one and one consistent uh I don't know one consistent coaching or advice or principle that you have been sharing with your clients sure um I think one of the things and I and I had suffered from this early on in my in my uh career I guess is that I love to say yes the improvisational actors call it say yes and right say yes to a lot of things sure I'll do that yes I'll do that yes yes yes yes yes right I don't like to say no and um however I think that there is and this is the lesson power in the pause I think sometimes when you're constantly saying yes you don't step back and see the big picture or or just pause in a lot of things right and someone someone told me one time what she worked in um development for a foundation that had to raise money and she said when she makes an ask of a donor and they look like they're thinking she doesn't step in with what sometimes when there is a pause people try to fill that with words and what she does is she asks for the money and then she takes a sip of water slowly and then she puts it down and in that pause they oftentimes say yes they say yes right and so in anything I think there is power in the pause just in in a lot of things just take time to think about what you're doing and and not rush into things or feel like you have to fill that space with something. Uh-huh sort of speaks of the hammock being in a hammock yes it all circles back to the hammock yes absolutely it circles back to the hammock but actually if you if you uh don't always have to look at it from a real hammock just think of it you know if I am like for me being on a ham being I don't know on a hammock in a hammock how would you how would you say it in a hammock uh would be uh actually painting for me yes so on the days I'm painting I'm actually in a hammock yes so yes you know so so I need to send you a t-shirt my friend because I um we so I created a a line of of t-shirts um it with people in a hammock right and some of them are doing all sorts of things some of them are on their computer but some of them are uh singing I have a singing hammock one and I have a um idea bubble bubble coming up above the head and so um lots of lots of different things of people doing different things in hammocks working out and and um reading and all sorts of different things so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly I think I think uh hammock can be uh can be what you know where you feel relaxed and where you feel rejuvenated that is what hammock is all about it's a metaphor yeah yeah yes and how do you want uh my listeners and my audience to connect with you yeah so my website is called hammockwayoflife.com H A M M O C K wayoflife.com um I'm on LinkedIn is jazzyjan and uh without the glasses is my profile and um um and um and um uh TikTok I'm Jazzyjan CEO um where else can I get connect with me in the on the entrepreneur meetup group um EMU entrepreneur meetup so any one of those ways is perfectly fine but I would love to connect with your listeners and I'm delighted to meet you and and hear what you're up to and and I hope that we stay connected as well.

SPEAKER_00 31:55

Fantastic one last question when you were uh because today you're doing a lot more and you're actually leading your people so I'll ask you a leader's question and that is when you were young you know when you were say a 10 year old nine 10 year old girl and did you ever envision that you would be leading the huge work that you're leading now that's a great question.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

So I am the oldest of uh three kids have a younger brother and a younger sister and I was sort of bossy when I was younger. My sister is now the boss of me. She's the youngest and she's more the boss of me. But when I was little my my sister told me about this red jacket that I had and it was our play jacket. And so I would put I would be the only one to wear the red jacket and I was sometimes a teacher most times I was a teacher I think and sometimes a waiter I don't know I was all sorts of characters in this red jacket and she aspired to wear the red jacket and so I gave her the red jacket but um so it in the third grade we had a I had a great third grade teacher and I think teachers are so important and so powerful at that young age I will say so they empowered me to be confident at a very young age and I I'm so blessed to have gone to school where I went to school um but they we had three options of things we wanted to do and I picked that I wanted to be an FBI agent a banker um and a and a work in radio like a radio DJ right so those things have kind of come I went through the FBI Citizens Academy once and I worked in banking for four days and you'll have to read my upcoming book to find out why it was only for four days there's a story there as well Maya and then a DJ is sort of related to I did work in in radio for a while and um of course the the music now but I I think those early days are so important and to to visualize what you what you want to be and who you want to be.

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I don't think running a company was in my head at that point but certainly those layers of dreams um sort of have come true so in different ways be careful what you wish for yeah lovely and with this i i thank you very much janet for being you know for coming to this high and vibe in with dr bb and i am ever grateful to you for you know for for being patiently waiting for me and I'm putting it on record on on record that you were waiting for me and thank you very much for your patience and uh for sharing your insights and your experiences I think there's a whole lot of a whole depth of knowledge and wisdom there which I'm sure will empower my audience and my listeners thank you again for your wisdom thank you I'm grateful for knowing you so yeah thank you yeah thank you very much