S1E10 "Motherhood Meets HIV Advocacy" w/ Lynette Trawick Pt 3

Raw, honest, and necessary: we sit down for part 3 of our conversation with HIV advocate and mom of a blended family, Lynette Trawick, to talk about what it really takes to plan pregnancy, protect your health, and raise self-aware kids while pushing back on stigma. From preeclampsia and medication changes to breastfeeding limits and delivery planning, we walk through the practical steps that help Black mothers feel prepared, respected, and supported by their care teams. The message lands hard and loving—providers should initiate family-planning conversations, and we deserve the time to ask every question on our list.

We explore the “strong Black woman” myth and why retiring the cape is an act of care, not failure. Lynette shares how to hold resources accountable, invite fathers into the work, and teach children consent, testing, and body literacy without shame. We talk social media pushback, why education beats clapbacks, and how sharing links from organizations like The Well Project and Black Ladies in Public Health gives people quiet pathways to learn when they’re not ready to disclose.

You’ll also hear about dandelions—people born with HIV or diagnosed early—whose lives reveal the realities of long-term survival and accelerated aging. That perspective reshapes how we think about risk, prevention, and early screening for heart and brain health. Most of all, we underline the power of mixed spaces where HIV-positive and HIV-negative women grow together, trade stories, and watch stigma shrink in real time. Want to connect with Lynette or bring her to your community? We share direct ways to reach her and her nonprofit so you can turn conversation into care.

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Transcript

Welcome Back And Episode Setup

Jaye Wilson 0:14

Hey girl, hey, it's your girl Jaye. Welcome to another episode of Melinated Mommy Talks the Podcast, where we are talking about and exploring all things within the Melinated Moms spectrum. Our last episode was part two of three with Lynette Trawick, a mom raising and caring for 11 children between her and her husband, a black woman who is living and thriving with HIV, an HIV advocate, and a woman running her own nonprofit. In that conversation, we really dug into the intersectionalities between living with HIV and motherhood. From her own experience with not being able to breastfeed her youngest child to the importance of doulas being able to address the birthing needs of women living with HIV, the conversation was quite intense. Here's part three, the last and final part of that conversation with

Planning Pregnancy While Living With HIV

Jaye Wilson 1:12

Lynette. In this episode, we are covering even more intersections, including aging with HIV and the stigma that still exists in the black community. So go ahead and pull up your metaphorical seat, tap in, and enjoy part three of the conversation with Lynette Trawick. I know, like, for me, like my journey into having my kids was very difficult, even though I was really young. Um, I had preclampsia, preclampsia of four pregnancies. But two of the pregnancies, or three actually, sorry, I got the opportunity to plan. So my husband and I went to the doctor, we talked about my history, we talked about, you know, my clinical issues and stuff, and changed my medication, you know, figured out what our plan looks like, and then we became pregnant. Still had a, a, a hell of a time. Them kids. They definitely tried to take me out. But like I do think like even having those few months to prepare for what could come and what end up coming helped me uh cope just a little bit better with navigating what was going on.

Advocating In The Exam Room

Jaye Wilson 2:41

But when it comes to living with HIV and having that kind of conversation with your provider, how do we encourage more of that type of conversation with more willing medical providers too?

Lynette Trawick 2:52

I, I think it probably I would say it starts with the provider, you know, especially if you know that your patient is of, you know, that age, the, the typical age. I mean, because of course we know it varies, but you know, you know, there of those, those child, what is, what is the male equivalent of child bearing years? I don't, whatever the memory.

Jaye Wilson 3:14

Forever.

Lynette Trawick 3:14

Whatever. Whatever that term is though, like because it's not child, it's not called child bearing. Whatever. You know what I mean.

Jaye Wilson 3:21

Uh yeah, I don't know. We'll look it up.

Lynette Trawick 3:24

Yeah, so whatever that is.

Jaye Wilson 3:25

We'll put it at the bottom of the screen or something. I don't know.

Lynette Trawick 3:28

But yeah, so like, you know, if you know your, your, your patient is of that age, then that, that should be a conversation that's initiated by their provider, you know. Hey, you know, just in case you, you decide that you want to have a child, you know, I, we think it's best for you to have that conversation with us so we can make sure we check off all of these items. You know, we can make sure that you're in the best health possible to be able to carry this child and to, for you, for not just for you, but also for that child to come into this world healthy, for you to stay healthy, for the child to come into the world healthy, different things like that. So yes, it's definitely, it starts with the provider, but we also can take that initiative to make sure we open up and have those conversations with our provider as well.

Jaye Wilson 4:08

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 4:08

You know, one thing that I always say is um you're not gonna rush me out of this doctor's office.

Jaye Wilson 4:11

I know that's right.

Lynette Trawick 4:12

I go into the doctor's office every single time with my, with a list in my phone of different issues that I've had since I've seen you the last time. You know, they ain't, they don't have to be related. But honestly, actually, this I just went to the doctor for a follow-up um a few days ago. I went with my list of it was about four or five different things. Come to find out they were all related to one thing.

Jaye Wilson 4:32

Wow.

Lynette Trawick 4:33

You know, so it was like, take all of that stuff. It was, it was migraine, sciatica, a couple other things that I've been dealing with and pushing it to the back burner because I'm just with my sciatic pain, I'm so used to the sciatic pain. It doesn't bother me. I feel it. Like even now, I feel it, but it doesn't bother me.

Jaye Wilson 4:50

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 4:50

And I brought that to her attention. And like I said, in addition to the other things that I brought to her attention, she said, that's all related to this one thing. It's like, oh. So now we can start talking about that one thing. You know, don't rush me out of my doctor's appointments.

Jaye Wilson 5:05

You're gonna, you getting paid for this whole hour.

Lynette Trawick 5:07

That's right. And don't, I don't care about your little 15-minute slot. So anyway, Miss Ma'am, this is what else I'm doing.

Jaye Wilson 5:13

That's it.

Lynette Trawick 5:15

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 5:15

Oh my gosh, that's awesome. Yeah, I,

Fathers, Help, And Retiring The Cape

Jaye Wilson 5:18

I, I love that. You know, I, I think we're talking a lot about momming in the margins and what it looks like, how to jump over that margin to, you know, really connect the dots, right? How do we encourage more fathers to get into this conversation to help our moms stay out of those margins?

Lynette Trawick 5:39

I think that's probably going backwards to what you said in the beginning with that, that cape that we tend to walk around with. We need to start taking that cape off sometimes and being okay with not being superwoman and asking for help, you know, and saying that we're not okay and saying that we need them to take off, take some of this burden from us, you know. Uh that, that whole strong black woman thing ain't, ain't cute when you're laying in the bed, stressed out and with heart issues and, you know, all kinds of stuff like that.

Jaye Wilson 6:10

You ain't have to read me today, Sis. You ain't have to read me today.

Lynette Trawick 6:13

Listen, listen. You trying to figure out why your anxiety's through the roof and all of these other things. You're like, but the kids are fine. Like, yeah, but you don't realize they're there. Listen, all of it. There's a book called The Body Keeps the Score.

Jaye Wilson 6:26

I got it. The Body Keeps Score, yes.

Lynette Trawick 6:28

The Body Keeps The Score. Your body is gonna keep that score of all of those things that you're dealing with, that you're dealing with, but not dealing with. Right. So I think that's where it comes first. It's us being open to saying that I am not okay, and I do need help. And us looking for those resources, and not just looking for the resources, but holding those resources accountable to helping you as well, because that's a thing too.

Jaye Wilson 6:51

Yup.

Lynette Trawick 6:52

I've had a crazy experience with reaching out for a re, to a resource for some help with something, and they, I, it was so much pushback, and I'm like, no, y'all are going to help me because that's what y'all are supposed to do.

Jaye Wilson 7:02

That's your job.

Lynette Trawick 7:03

Y'all, this is, this is what you signed up for. This is, this is what it says on your paycheck. So you're gonna help me.

Jaye Wilson 7:10

That's it.

Lynette Trawick 7:10

All right, so not just saying, hey, please, can you? No, help me. I need help. So that's where it starts. Us opening our mouths and being okay with accepting help.

Jaye Wilson 7:20

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 7:21

And make, and understand that that don't make us weak.

Jaye Wilson 7:23

Absolutely.

Lynette Trawick 7:24

And you said something earlier, you know, along those lines. Like, I feel like us asking for help is us showing a sign of strength.

Jaye Wilson 7:30

It is, it is, it is.

Lynette Trawick 7:32

Just like I feel like submission is, is, is a sign of strength. It takes, it takes somebody really, really strong to be submissive.

Jaye Wilson 7:39

Yeah, yeah. And I think it's both ways, right? So when it comes to, I, girl, I'll get all down a rabbit hole with submission. But I think with submission, like the natural thought is only a woman can submit. But I think submission is, is a, is a real great equitable partnership.

Lynette Trawick 7:58

Absolutely.

Jaye Wilson 7:59

There's gonna be things that you are amazing at, and your husband's gonna submit to you because he knows that he can trust your your leadership and your judgment in that space, and it doesn't make him any less than a man, and vice versa. Right?

Lynette Trawick 8:10

Absolutely.

Jaye Wilson 8:11

You both in a in a relationship, in a parent ship, co-parenting, whatever, however you want to call it, you both are in that space of leadership and submission.

Teaching Kids Health, Consent, And Testing

Jaye Wilson 8:22

You're learning how do I become a parent to this child versus this child, because I got two kids and you got more than two. All of them people are different. Every one of them.

Lynette Trawick 8:33

Every single one.

Jaye Wilson 8:33

Right.

Lynette Trawick 8:34

And they make you different.

Jaye Wilson 8:35

They sure do. They all get a different mama. Everyone, well, mommy said I can, well I can do it.

Lynette Trawick 8:40

Right, right, right.

Jaye Wilson 8:41

You know? Um, but I think again, like that, that is a, is a, it's a symbol of them being able to trust both of you, knowing who to talk to, how to talk to each of you, but then also how to reflect that on themselves when it's time to make those, those decisions for their own lives, right? I talk to my kids all the time about this. I'm like, you know, it's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff that I do every day. There's a lot of stuff that I'm teaching you every day. There's a lot of things that you're gonna be responsible for. But I, I will know that I've done my job with you if I can see that you are able to navigate all of these things as an independent person because I gave you the space to think.

Lynette Trawick 9:24

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 9:24

And I gave you the leadership skills to see how I navigated it so that you know how to also apply it to your own life, right? So we're our kids' first teachers.

Lynette Trawick 9:33

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 9:34

You know, so if we're not teaching them how to be well, if we're not teaching them how to say yes and how to say no, we're not teaching them how to get tested, how to ask questions to your partner, how to be comfortable with your body, how to be okay with whatever diagnosis you have and know that you can still live and thrive and not let it suck the life out of you.

Lynette Trawick 9:56

That's right.

Jaye Wilson 9:57

Right. Again, changing that language, changing the narrative of what it looks like to talk about these things openly and freely and know that vulnerability again is a strength. Right. That's what we want our kids to be able to go into. Right. So all of these generations of children that are up right now and they're like navigating all this space that we have never done and we'll never probably do. We want to still be able to give them those, I'm gonna call them traditional, those traditional values of still being self-aware enough to make the right informed decision so that they can live.

Lynette Trawick 10:31

Absolutely.

Jaye Wilson 10:32

Is that helpful?

Lynette Trawick 10:33

Yes, very much so.

Jaye Wilson 10:34

So when we're talking about education, finding the right words, finding the resources, that's one thing. But then spreading the message is another, right? So I'll give you an example. I'm a great partner with the Well Project, right? And I'm always reposting anything that they do because I think it's incredibly imperative, especially for black women, to know where do you find this information?

Sharing Resources And Handling Stigma

Jaye Wilson 11:02

Because, you know, we've been talking all about like having the ability to say your diagnosis out loud and knowing how to ask for the help or support that you need. There's gonna still be people who aren't there yet, right? But they're still seeking that information. So you don't know what uh what you don't know. So you don't know how to Google where or who is an organization that's serving childbearing women who are living with HIV, right? So again, anytime I see their stuff, I repost. I share it with all of the world, whoever has ears and eyes and can...

Lynette Trawick 11:34

One of my favorite organizations.

Jaye Wilson 11:36

Yes, yes.

Lynette Trawick 11:37

I'm also a blogger for them as well.

Jaye Wilson 11:39

Oh, nice.

Lynette Trawick 11:42

A girl like me.

Jaye Wilson 11:42

Yes.

Lynette Trawick 11:42

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 11:43

Yes. So my question to you is um, well, the segue to my question, um, one of the times I reposted, just as I always do, and I got a DM that said, Why are you reposting this? Do you have HIV? And it bothered me because one, this is my professional page, so I can't be like, Who the fuck is you talking to? Because that's not right, right? Um, but it really threw me because I'm like, you're upset that I'm actually spreading more information so people have access to the information that they need. One, whether or not it's my diagnosis or your diagnosis, it's nobody's business but the person that's living with it. But we want people to have better understanding of what HIV is, of what it means to live with HIV, and also how it impacts your, your decision making around having children. So, how do we destigmatize sharing the information in the black community?

Lynette Trawick 12:45

The unfortunate reality is there are always going to be people like that. No matter what we do. This is something that I've had conversations with even my best friend about. She's so defensive of me. I love it. You better not come for Lynette because my BFF is gonna come from wherever she is, you know, and because she's, she's just that, she's the one that's gonna attack, you know. And I'm more of the laid back, well, let's educate. You know, because a lot of times I feel like what, what I've realized after having conversations with people, a lot of times that reaction is rooted in fear.

Jaye Wilson 13:28

Of course.

Lynette Trawick 13:29

You know?

Jaye Wilson 13:29

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 13:30

Because they don't know. They haven't done the research, they don't feel the need to do the research because it doesn't impact me or anyone like me. Right. So it's just that they did, they just don't know and they don't know how to say it in the right way. And then, like I said, then you also have those people who are the way that they are, and it doesn't matter what you say to them, it's just, they're just like, whatever, I hear you, but you probably got it, and that's why you shared it, and it is what it is, and doesn't matter what you say.

Jaye Wilson 14:02

Justifying it.

Lynette Trawick 14:03

Yeah, but this, the stigma in the black community, I think it just I, I find that a lot of people or the reaction in the black community a lot of times is they, they laugh stuff off out of nervousness, or they laugh stuff off out of fear, you know, so they make jokes.

Dandelions And Aging With HIV

Jaye Wilson 14:23

And not take it so serious.

Lynette Trawick 14:24

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 14:25

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 14:25

Yeah. So I, I just think it's just, you know, it just, it's just, it, it just is.

Jaye Wilson 14:32

It's like a defense mechanism.

Lynette Trawick 14:34

Yeah, yeah. You know, so I, I don't, I don't, I really don't know how to combat that other than just continuing to educate.

Jaye Wilson 14:41

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 14:42

You know, and, and just understanding that unfortunately you're not going to get through to everyone.

Jaye Wilson 14:48

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 14:49

You know, as positive as I am, you know, no pun intended. Um.

Jaye Wilson 14:53

Seriousness.

Lynette Trawick 14:57

My bad.

Jaye Wilson 14:57

That is a joke.

Lynette Trawick 15:03

But, but as, as positive as I am, you know, and, and how I share things and you know, I, I, I go, I glorify God and everything and all that I do. So with all of that that I do, I still get negativity.

Jaye Wilson 15:19

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 15:19

You know, so people are still gonna be people.

Jaye Wilson 15:22

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 15:23

And, and it's, it's, it's not my response, I've done my job.

Jaye Wilson 15:27

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 15:27

I'm doing my part.

Jaye Wilson 15:29

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 15:29

You know, it's not my responsibility to control your emotions. It's not my responsibil, my responsibility to control how you react to things.

Jaye Wilson 15:38

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 15:39

So as long as I'm doing my job and I'm doing my part, that's all I can do.

Jaye Wilson 15:44

I think it's almost like when people say weird, kind of sinny things like, how dare you be proud of this terrible thing.

Lynette Trawick 15:52

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 15:52

It's like.

Lynette Trawick 15:53

Yeah. I've gotten that.

Jaye Wilson 15:54

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 15:55

I've gotten it. Like, why are you so, you just talk about it like it's just nothing. I'm like, I'm not. It's and it's kind of like, it's a, it's a, I hate the term, but it's a double-edged sword.

Jaye Wilson 16:05

It is.

Lynette Trawick 16:06

Right? Because it's like, I'm out here and I'm saying, yes, I'm living with HIV and I'm fine and I'm healthy and life is great, but that doesn't mean you go out and get it.

Jaye Wilson 16:14

Yeah. Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 16:16

You know, if you're negative, stay that way.

Jaye Wilson 16:18

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 16:18

However, if you're positive, you know, just know that you can still live and live an abundant life and you'll be fine.

Jaye Wilson 16:27

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 16:28

So.

Jaye Wilson 16:28

Yeah. Um, so one of the, another organization I work with incredibly closely is Black Ladies in Public Health. Love them ladies.

Lynette Trawick 16:35

Yep.

Jaye Wilson 16:36

You know, love them down. And one of their big initiatives is Black Women Living with HIV. And we did a campaign called Risk to Reason. And we talked about, you know, how do we talk with women who have lived experience and talk with young women who are in college, which statistically is around those ages where people are, where black women are getting the highest levels of transmission. Right. So they've been doing this project now for about three years, bringing in different black women from all over the United States that go to different HB, HBCUs to educate them on HIV, to also give them the skills that they need to go to their schools and host kickbacks and have the conversation with other students who look like them.

Lynette Trawick 17:24

That's awesome.

Jaye Wilson 17:25

And unfortunately I wasn't able to go this year, but last year we were at Paul Quinn, which is a very small religious HBCU in Dallas.

Lynette Trawick 17:34

Okay.

Jaye Wilson 17:34

And then the first year, the year before, we did it at Tuskegee University.

Lynette Trawick 17:38

I heard about Tuskegee.

Jaye Wilson 17:39

It was amazing.

Lynette Trawick 17:40

Yeah, I saw pictures and things that year.

Jaye Wilson 17:42

Oh, so this year they were at Texas Southern.

Lynette Trawick 17:45

Oh, okay.

Jaye Wilson 17:45

So they had the Beyonce cowboy hats and all that. I was like, oh, I wish I was there so bad. I wish I was there. Um but one of the things that I've learned from being there and also bringing my children is just being able to hear those, those lived experiences of the women who are living with HIV. And I learned a term, and the term was dandelion. Which are young women who were born with HIV,

Building Mixed-Spaces To Reduce Stigma

Jaye Wilson 18:14

but they they made it past a certain age. Can you talk a little bit about dandelions?

Lynette Trawick 18:20

So, so from a, you, you kind of said a little more of what dandelions are. So I don't know, I'm not gonna say that one of us are wrong. It could be that you learned more of it than I did.

Jaye Wilson 18:32

Sure.

Lynette Trawick 18:32

So from my understanding what a dandelion is, is that it's someone born, someone who was born with HIV or diagnosed really, really early in life. And I do, I have several friends who are dandelions as well. But yeah, so you know, long-term survivors, they're considered, you know, thinking about a lot of, you know, when you hear the word, when you hear the term long-term survivors, a lot of times people think of people who are older, you know, aging with HIV, 60s, 70s, your 70s, things like that. But, you know, if you were born with HIV and you're now 30 years old, that's a long-term survivor.

Jaye Wilson 19:09

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 19:09

You know, and actually people who are living with HIV age quicker as well. So I can't remember, I just learned the term maybe about two weeks ago. But you have your biological age and then you have your something other kind of age. I can't remember what it's called.

Jaye Wilson 19:25

Probably like with your circadian river, rhythm or something like that.

Lynette Trawick 19:27

It's it's something, no, it's it's it's going it's along with um HIV. So like you have your biological age, but then you have whatever this age is that you are because of how much HIV has aged you.

Jaye Wilson 19:38

Oh, wow.

Lynette Trawick 19:39

Um, so you know, they're finding that even women my age, I'm, I'm 43. You know, I just, just turned 43. Shout out to me. April 8th was my birthday.

Jaye Wilson 19:46

Happy birthday!

Lynette Trawick 19:49

But, you know, women in their 40s who are living with HIV are I, I don't know, there even women, I know a couple, I know a dandelion who is in her late 20s and maybe her early 30s. She had several strokes already. You know, younger women are dealing with heart attacks and just different things that you would typically hear in the older population.

Jaye Wilson 20:11

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 20:11

But we're dealing with it in a younger age just because HIV has aged us a little more than, you know, the typical um, you know, a typical person would without HIV.

Jaye Wilson 20:22

Wow.

Lynette Trawick 20:22

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 20:23

Wow. Again, I, I feel like we've covered so many things. Uh, and I have to ask you two questions. The first is we gotta have you back. Can you come back?

Lynette Trawick 20:30

Of course.

Jaye Wilson 20:31

I, we definitely have to keep this conversation going. I think it's so important for so many different reasons. But my second question is, how do we make sure that we connect more people to you? Because there's like 10, 12, 15 people in my head. I'm like, as soon as this mic cut off, I'm gonna tell her about this person, this person, this person. Because there's so, there really is so many intersections where living with HIV and being a mom really collide.

Lynette Trawick 20:56

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 20:57

And people do not have this information. And they definitely do not have the information from people that look like us and are willing to share the information.

How To Connect With Lynette

Lynette Trawick 21:06

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 21:06

You know? So how do we do that? How do we connect people to you? How do we make sure that regardless if you're HIV negative or positive, you understand how important it is to work with you.

Lynette Trawick 21:20

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson 21:21

To really be in space with you.

Lynette Trawick 21:22

Absolutely. And I love that you included um, you know, HIV, whether you're diagnosed with HIV or not, I actually just hosted a retreat not too long ago. And it was a women's retreat, and I brought women, just women who have faced different traumas. So some of women were living with HIV and some weren't. And from the women who were not living with HIV, they shared, I mean, everybody, all of them really loved it. But one person who actually was um who came and she is not living with HIV, she shared how much she grew in that weekend from being exposed to some of the stories that she heard from the women living with HIV. She said, I never have been around anybody, at least openly saying that they've been living with HIV, but the way I've grown in this weekend from hearing from you guys and, you know, sharing these experiences and being able to do all of the same stuff, you eliminated all the stigma. So I think even creating spaces like that where people who are HIV, who are knowingly living with HIV and, you know, not living with HIV, bringing them in a space together so you can see that we are very similar. It's not like we do anything any different.

Jaye Wilson 22:26

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 22:27

Um, so yes, creating those spaces. But people can definitely contact me. Um, just with my name, Lynette Trawick. I'm, I'm Lynette Trawick on Instagram, Lynette Trawick on, on uh Facebook as well. And through those pages, you can connect to my social media, my, my uh nonprofit social media page, IMU. So I believe it's IMU Inc. on Facebook, and I think it's IMU dot inc on Instagram.

Jaye Wilson 22:49

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 22:50

But again, if all else fails, just find me Lynette L-Y-N-E-T-T-E, Trawick T-R-A-W-I-C-K.

Jaye Wilson 22:57

All right, girl. I'm so excited. Girl, I'm gonna give you like eight hugs. I might swing you around in a circle. Um.

Lynette Trawick 23:03

Let me take my heels off first.

Jaye Wilson 23:04

Look,

Closing, Community, And Calls To Support

Jaye Wilson 23:05

me too. Because Lord knows. I don't even know, I don't even know about these heels yet. But I appreciate you so much. Thank you for giving me your time.

Lynette Trawick 23:12

Thank you.

Jaye Wilson 23:13

Thank you for everything. Like, we need this. Like...

Lynette Trawick 23:16

Thank you for this platform.

Jaye Wilson 23:17

No, for real.

Lynette Trawick 23:18

This is amazing.

Jaye Wilson 23:19

Yeah.

Lynette Trawick 23:20

Thank you for seeing the importance in the conversation.

Jaye Wilson 23:23

1,000%. I, I always know that there will be, even if it's just one, I know it's not going to be just one, but if there's at least one person that has asked for this kind of information, we create it, right? We create that space. And I know that there are so many moms that can relate to this. And I think that's also why this segment in general is important to really talk about moms in the margins, because we'll see ourselves as if we are the only one. So we marginalize ourselves even more than the marginalization, right? So if we can open up our, our own thought process and have these open conversations so we can see again, what are our similarities more than our differences, we'll find solutions and sisterhood, honestly, within all of those spaces. And those things you can't replicate. You can't just like make it up, right? We have to know like if I'm gonna give you my authentic self, my vulnerable self, my story, my, my everything, my who I am, I want you to know all parts of me, not just the cute stuff with the nice heels. You gotta know the ugly stuff, the stuff that gets on my nerves, the days when I'll be like, fuck them kids. All that stuff. Every part of me, right?

Lynette Trawick 24:40

Yep.

Jaye Wilson 24:40

Because that's a part of who I am too.

Lynette Trawick 24:42

Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you.

Jaye Wilson 24:46

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