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Get Behind Me, Pride
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This week, Ariana + Kimberly wrestle with the questions: What doors has God opened for you that your pride has kept you from walking through?
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SPEAKER_04Honestly, I don't even know what I'm doing. No.
SPEAKER_03Kind of like I think how we feel every time we record. It's like, guys, we don't actually know what we're doing. We're just here somehow. What are we even doing? By the grace of God. Right. We're trusting us with microphones. For real.
SPEAKER_04He just literally gave us microphones and was like, all right, you guys talk. And we're like, okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I had a moment last week where I'm like, weird to say that we have a podcast. It actually doesn't even feel right saying it. Like, I wouldn't ever go around telling people like, yeah, I'm a podcaster. No. Like, as if that's what we do. It just feels like a weekend, like a hobby side project.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03In the way, like when you have a hobby, you don't go around telling people like, oh, I'm a knitter. Everything. Yeah. I'm a knitter.
SPEAKER_04I knit. Yeah. I feel that. It would feel fraudulent. It would feel fraudulent. And I um I just always feel weird about looking for like feel sounding like I'm looking for applause or praise. Yeah. It makes me very uncomfortable. It's that's why, like, I posted on Instagram, like to my feed, an actual picture for the first time in a while. Yeah, a long time. And even the whole time, I'm like, oh, why are you doing this? This is so embarrassing. This is so embarrassing.
SPEAKER_03That's like um, I was listening to uh Priscilla Shire, and her sister was interviewing her, and her sister kept saying, like when she was introducing Priscilla, she was like naming all these things that she does, and she named one of them as being an actress, and she is an actress, she's been in major films at this point, yeah, that a lot of people are familiar with. She's like, I am not an actress, stop calling me that. She was like, Who do you know that's been in a film that's a movie theater? Yeah, but relatable because it's like, yeah, it's kind of a weird thing to say. It is.
SPEAKER_04I don't know. I'm a podcaster.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. In what scenario would you ever even say that, though? I guess is a thing.
SPEAKER_04Um somebody asked me recently, like, what do you do outside of work? And I was like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I have a podcast. Okay, that's actually funny because I will say, maybe for the first time, last week I was training, no, just yesterday I was training someone, and she's like, What are you doing tomorrow? And I was like, Well, it feels weird. Actually, my friend and I, we do a podcast, but even that felt weird.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Yeah. It does feel weird. And I think I I don't think I told this on the podcast. Maybe I told you. I had a conversation with an old friend that I hadn't talked to in a little while. And he was asking me about the podcast and asked, What is it about? And I just said, Jesus, which has been since we started what I've said to people.
SPEAKER_03That's great.
SPEAKER_04And he said, Oh, that'll shut people up. And I was like, What do you mean? Like, I think he thought we were thinking the same thing. And I was like, What do you mean? And he references a joke by I think it was Jim Gaffigan who says, like, he's like, you know, you could um, you could walk up to the the Pope and say, Um, hey, has anybody told you about Jesus? And the Pope would be like, Look at this freak. Like, nobody wants to hear that or talk about it. And he's like, Oh, I'm not calling you a freak. And I was like, Please call me a freak. Yeah. Because I do want to talk about Jesus.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. That's funny that that was his response. And I'm glad that you replied with, What do you mean? It's like Explain your joke, please. Yeah. It's like at Bible study when our friend was saying um that she had a conversation just about her beliefs, and she had a moment of like, I don't know if it was an example that she was saying or if it actually happened, but someone's saying about the Bible, like the book. But it's like, okay, well, what is the Bible to you? Just like clarification, like, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. What's the Bible? Yeah. In just the way, and I think this is what stemmed that that thought from her, and how Jesus usually answers questions with questions. Yeah. And that's so intentional, and I love it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And I think we should all do that because we have to, we like live in this world where we think we can just assume everything. And we're like, I'm gonna pick up on these cues so I know that this person is meaning they said this, their mouth said this, but I know they really mean that. Right. When like, and everybody has collectively, it's this like what do you call it, social construct kind of where we've all decided that's how we're gonna live.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04And instead, why don't you try to be the one to ask the question that nobody asked?
SPEAKER_03But and you're so right, we all assume that we're thinking the same thing, but we're not like I think that is the crux of a lot of arguments.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, totally. It's like, but you said this. It's like, when did I say that?
SPEAKER_03I said that.
SPEAKER_04My mom gets very like upset when I say always. Uh-huh. Because if I'm like, oh, you or always or never, like, you know, you always do this to me or you never do this to me. She'll be like, I can remember one specific time where I did that, so that doesn't make sense. Yeah. You can't say always.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Just being very literal. That's like, what is that called when um is it an oxymoron almost? Um, when it's like I'm I'm almost I'm almost never um late. Almost never. Almost never. Yeah. There's a bunch of them though, where people see it and we don't think about it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. It's just our language, right? Because what else you could say rarely.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04Rarely late. I also have a thing though.
SPEAKER_03If I say something, I'm like, I don't mean that literally. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04All right. We are going to let's open your Bibles. Join me in a reading the Gospel of Matthew.
SPEAKER_03Feel free to stand up where you are.
SPEAKER_04We're gonna um read a little bit from Matthew, talk a little bit about some things, break some things down. You know what we do. You've been here. If you haven't, welcome, welcome, and you'll hear it. This will be the first time. We talk about Jesus. We talk about Jesus in a welcoming way.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Not not to show you up.
SPEAKER_04Honestly, I kind of like that too, because if me saying, I don't know. I should you should have a feeling. My podcast is about Jesus, and if that makes you go, I want to be quiet now or I don't want to talk to this girl, okay.
SPEAKER_03That's actually great.
SPEAKER_04I'll track you down though.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Or Jesus as well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um, so Matthew chapter 16, verse 14 is where I'm gonna start. And we're gonna go through, I think, the whole rest of the chapter. Yeah, through 28, but I'm gonna break it up a little bit. I think I will read it in the ESV, and then maybe we can go into the other translations. So starting, here we are. I'm gonna start in 13. Okay. Now, when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, Who do people say that the Son of Man is? And they said, Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, others Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He said to them, But who do you say that I am? Simon Peter replied, You are the Christ, the Son of the living the Son of the Living God. And Jesus answered him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you lose on earth shall be loosen, in heaven. Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ. Verse 21. From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed. And on the third day be raised. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, Far be it from you, Lord, this shall never happen to you. But he turned and said to Peter, Get behind me, Satan. You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man. All right, I'm gonna pause there for a second. Let that sink in. Sheesh. Yeah. So the uh I want to structure this in a way of, I guess, like what I want to talk about.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_04Is um what doors has God opened for you that your pride has kept you from walking through? So, in the way of the scripture, what we just read, just to summarize, Jesus asks the disciples who he is. Excuse me. Simon is the one who says, the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of the Living God. Jesus read then renames Simon to Peter, the rock. I had this thought when I was reading this earlier this week. Like, Jesus, what would you rename me? I love that. It's kind of selfish, it's kind of prideful.
SPEAKER_03Why am I thinking of myself? It's self-reflecting. It's self-reflecting of Jesus. What do you think about me? Because we should wonder what Jesus thinks about us.
SPEAKER_04I do, yeah. What would you rename me?
SPEAKER_03That's great.
SPEAKER_04And then he says, I'm gonna build the church on you. And he recognizes this is something that my father in heaven has shown you, not flesh and blood. This is something that has been revealed to you in the way that the Father, the Holy Spirit, reveals things to us. And then Jesus goes and says, Hey, everybody, guess what's gonna happen? I'm gonna suffer. I'm gonna be killed. And these are the things I have to do. And Peter goes, uh, no, you don't. Yeah, no, you won't. I will not let this happen. Yeah. And Jesus tells him, Jesus rebukes him and says, Get behind me, Satan.
SPEAKER_03You're a hindrance to me. Literally went from saying the most beautiful thing ever to him and complimenting him almost, if you want to call it a compliment. Really, like you said, makes a declaration over him, renames him, says, Let that the Holy Spirit is revealing you, like speaking to you to the worst thing ever.
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SPEAKER_03You're rebuking him and saying, Get behind me, Satan.
SPEAKER_04Get behind me, Satan. You are a hindrance. I think we've heard this verse often, right? Like it comes up like, oh, um, you know, when Jesus rebuked Peter, Jesus rebuked Peter. But the what had me sitting here and thinking about it was the um the point of Peter puts his own will before the Lord's. He just made this, he just verbalized, I think for the first time, that you were the Messiah, you were the Christ. And then the Messiah and the Christ tells him, This is what's going to happen. And he tries to put his own will before him. And it it almost seems like it almost seems righteous, right? Because he's like, No, I don't want anything to happen to you. But it's still putting your wants and your will before the Lord's will.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And he doesn't, he doesn't have the vantage point of the Lord to know this is was always the plan, and this has to happen. That there are generations and generations and generations of people that are going to be saved because of this, and he wants to stop it. And what are what are we doing? I mean, nothing in our life is going to be that significant, right? As significant as the cross. It's it's the most significant thing in eternity. But what kind of things are we like, what what doors is the Lord opening to us that we're not walking through because we have determined, no, I won't let that happen.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah, I know that's really good. As you're talking, I'm like, I'm so congested, and I'm really trying not to sniff into the mic. So if you guys hear that sniffling, I'm sorry if it bothers you. I'm doing that so I don't have to breathe through my mouth. Oh no, I'm good. Um, but um I just I love this passage, and I just even love like that line of questioning that you're presenting as you just like shared your thoughts on this. But the like, what doors have have we not walked through because of our pride? I'm even thinking about times where it's just hard to do something in general, even when you know it's the right thing to do. And um, because just because something's right doesn't make it easy to do, right? And I feel like in this moment of even Jesus talking to now Peter, uh get behind me, Satan, you are a hindrance to me for you're not setting your thing your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man. It's crazy how he speaks with so much authority because he is the son of God, but at the same time, he is showing such a human side of him at the same time, like simultaneously, because it makes me think not to say that this is what Jesus was feeling in this moment, but it what it reminds me of is when I am doing something that I know is the right thing to do, and even something that I'm feeling a conviction of God from, but it feels uh difficult to walk in that obedience, when someone even minutely shows as a little bit of a resistance, it in my flesh it irritates me. I'm like, this is already hard, and you're just making it harder to do.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And even in the way that Jesus in the garden, when he's like, Father, but if this is your will, and again showing the very human side of him, of just this is like probably one of the many things that's happening in that moment, but like recognizing the the pain and the I have no words really to describe it, but I'll just say pain. But he's still doing it, and so when Peter comes across as being a a hindrance to him, that he's like, get behind me, Satan. It's like this is already a hard thing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like you just said, like I'm already struggling to get through this.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and now you're making it harder. But Jesus being Jesus, he recognizes that it's not because Peter's trying to be a hindrance, he recognizes just the spirit that's at work that's trying to create an obstacle, and he's like, get behind me. I have to do this. This is like already a hard thing, but I have to do this. And he is claiming and speaking that authority, knowing that um this is God's will. But I I don't know to answer your question though, the first thing that came to my mind when you said, like, um, what doors has God opened for you? That like just pride gets in the way, honestly. I think forgiveness. Yeah, tell me more. Just how it's hard to forgive. We as Christians, we are called to forgive. We are commanded to forgive. Actually, it's required that we forgive. But the number of times when we find ourselves in situations where we know we have to forgive, but it's so difficult because your pride is getting in the way.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And how many times where we have held on to things, held on to bitterness and unforgiveness and resentment, where it's being stuck in that um unforgiveness that is actually keeping you from walking fully in God's plan and purpose for your life. So I don't know, there might still honestly be doors that I have yet to walk in because of my own pride, but I'm blind to it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I I I just picture this like long white hallway with just all of these doors on both sides. And I'm walking through this hallway, and as I walk past each door, it's literally Jesus opening the door and being on the other side, like, come on, come on. And I'm just not even turning my head, and I just keep walking. And it's just door after door after door. And I think that was the majority of my life.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_04And it also, I brought this up earlier, but it also makes me think of like the the like another added facet to this of like after the Israelites come out of Egypt, God delivers them out of Egypt and get tells them he's taking them to the promised land, the land of that flows with milk and honey. The whole journey should have taken distance-wise, two weeks. Because their pride kept getting, they kept thinking they knew more than God that they had the same vantage point or a better vantage point.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. The illustration that you painted with walking down that long white hallway, I feel like it just took the the 40-year journey to a whole nother level of really when we apply it to our own lives. Now we're endlessly walking down this long hallway when we've passed by so many entryways that Jesus has invited us into. Yes. But instead we just choose to walk down this long, long, long road.
SPEAKER_04Because we think I've got to do it.
SPEAKER_03Because we're not listening.
SPEAKER_04Because we're not listening. And it's think about your life. Like, think about things that have taken so long. Even when I think about me and like like my me having a personal relationship with Jesus, it took me 35 years to find that. And I know that there were 35 years of doors being opened that I just kept walking by and kept walking by. And that's a huge thing, right? But there are things every day, like small things, when the Holy Spirit nudges you to talk to somebody and that's a door. And maybe there's this, there's this plan that he's got for you. And like the pl it's always gonna come around. The GPS is always gonna reroute, yeah, right, for you. But what has taken, what was supposed to take two weeks that has now taken 40 years, right? Or 35 years, or 20 years, or two years, or even a year.
SPEAKER_03Right. What about you personally? What would you say for you is like something that like a door that you you could have walked through? So you like you mentioned salvation being one of them. Is there anything else that comes to mind? I'm I'm I'm thinking about like my marriage, honestly, even too.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, my marriage. I'm thinking like my like work life, like professionally. Um I I'm I opened, I pushed through doors myself. I'm obviously like I would not have gotten anywhere or done anything without the help of the Lord, without the blessings of the Lord and the favor of the Lord. But there were doors that like I feel like he was just like, oh fine, go through it, but that's not the one I opened for you. And why I find myself in the season that I'm in, which isn't difficult, but I thought I had this like forever career that I was going to be doing for the rest of my life because this was my will. Because I said, Oh, I'm gonna do this for the rest of my life. I'm gonna be a CRO of a tech company one day. This is what's gonna happen in my life.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That I was trying to force when it Wasn't what he had for me. Right. It wasn't the door he opened for me.
SPEAKER_03I as you're talking, I just keep thinking about that hallway, right? And as you were saying that like you forced these doors open and like in God's grace, like he still walked with you. But in thinking about that, so if we're pushing the door open, that means we're in front of him.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And so that's not obviously what we want. We want to be having Jesus lead the way, which means he has to open the door and then we follow and sue. Not like we open the door and now he's gonna follow us. That's not that is not what we want. We want to have him in the front, him being in the lead. Like for my marriage, I'm thinking about more so with how long it took us to get married. Like we dated for five, six years. Five years? Five years. I don't know how many years, too many years, and for us to actually be like, oh Lord, like we want to do it your way.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And in the way that um our pastors, when Jordan and I, just before we got engaged, um, she said, marriage unlocks supernatural blessings. And that has like stuck with me. And it's not so much that marriage itself, but because God has created marriage and doing it his way unlocks supernatural blessings.
SPEAKER_04That was the perfected design, right? The family, a husband and a wife and a family, the way that God had intended it to be.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You don't get to just make it yourself, right? In the same way that like you don't get to just decide who God is. How much pride is in that?
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_04Well, I wouldn't do that. Right. So I can't say that God would do that. So then either one, I can't believe that he's real, or two, I can't follow what the rest of his the rest of what he says because it it changed, it challenges me and it's not what I would do. Instead of understanding, I mean, it's that seems very similar to the pride of of Peter, right? Because he's like, I'll never let this happen to you. This is not something that I would do, so then it's not right.
SPEAKER_01That's perfect, yeah.
SPEAKER_04When the vantage point of the Lord's is different, he sees everything at the same time. He knows, he knows what's going on.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah, because if Peter had the knowing, I like how you said that Peter doesn't have the vantage point of Jesus. If Peter had the knowing that Jesus doing this is actually the very thing that would save his soul and souls to come, um, lives to come, guarantee he wouldn't have stepped in and acted as a hindrance.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. It's still incredibly sad.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That it that I can't imagine that like you have him standing in front of you, you are with him every day, right? And you get to see like he's fully human, he's fully God, he's I can only imagine what you would feel from him, and then for him to tell you, like, I gotta die.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I can imagine that you would be like, no.
SPEAKER_03I know. Every time I read things in the Bible, I'm always like, How would I have responded?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I don't know if I have if I would have responded differently than Peter. I mean, I don't know how many times Jesus would say, get behind me, Satan, to me. If I wasn't walking with him, you know. So it's like, I like we that's the cool thing about reading the Bible. It's like, not that we're being selfish and like thinking about ourselves, but again, it should cause us to reflect that like this is us, us walking in the wilderness for 40 years, us like grumbling, us thinking that we know better, like this is why we need Jesus. Like, this is our flesh that we're in. For us to be like, no, I'll never let that happen. Or the times where we're coming.
SPEAKER_04Even to just say that about anything, I'll never let that happen. Who are you? Right, right. Who are you? You are just a human, yeah, uh a worm, and God can it like you don't know God's plan. Like you can know his voice, you know that he is good, you can trust his plan is good, yeah, even when you don't understand it. And sometimes that's gonna mean that's it's gonna look like losing people, right?
SPEAKER_03Right. And so, like, I even think just like pride, it doesn't stand out right away sometimes, like like in the way that when someone is um dealing with anxiety or fear, it's um it's it's a little bit easier to pinpoint. I think pride is a little bit sneakier, it is, you're right. Um, kind of moves in silence, and it's harder to to just pinpoint all the time and identify.
SPEAKER_04Okay, that leads me to the next couple verses.
SPEAKER_03Okay, great.
SPEAKER_04So verse 24 through 26. So 24. Then Jesus told his disciples, if anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? So the the he says right here, like, you have to deny yourself. Yeah. After he tells Peter, you're you're not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man. You have to deny yourself. Denying yourself what I don't know, being the most popular person, getting um, being the most liked person. Um, deny yourself even like when we are saved and we have these little itches or scratches that like kind of poke at us that we know we gotta get away from, whether we kind of reference secular music a lot because I think it's light. So maybe like secular music. What are you listening to? What are you watching? You know, deny yourself. Oh, that's fun. Oh, it's a good song. Deny yourself and pick up your cross and follow me. If you're gonna come after me, you have to deny yourself and let me lead you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's really good. I like that you use music as an example because it's something that seems seemingly innocent and um not harmful, but how it looks is deceiving, and what you know to be true is another thing. And so it's even hard in the way that we're saying deny yourself. Sometimes you're gonna have to deny yourself of things that it seems like you might like, or it seems like it might be a good thing, it seems like it might be a good thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And so you would send Peter right here, right? The um, this article you sent me on the 50 forms of pride, yeah. And one of them that we were talking about uh being self-pity. And the the way that that self-pity is rooted in pride. It's you thinking of yourself and denying yourself of your self-pity. That's a hard thing to do, right? Oh, nobody likes me. I don't have any friends, nobody cares about me. I wish I was taller, I wish I was thinner, I don't have enough money. My friends all have more money than me. Yeah, like, or I didn't, I wasn't raised in a good family, so I they didn't give me these luxuries.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04What are some other things you that come to mind?
SPEAKER_03It's crazy because all of those things that you're naming and those examples, again, could be seemingly harmless because some of those might actually be true to your circumstance. But the deception of it is that you saying all those things, you're coming into agreement now. You saying all those things, it's not moving you forward in the truth. You saying all those things, really, it's not very helpful. Um, and also the other part of the deception of that is like it almost feels justified, right?
SPEAKER_04But so reading this- Yeah, because I mean I think I don't know if this is just where, like, you know, the times we're living in or whatever we say, but like victimhood is so celebrated right now because victimhood is now used as a way, a form of identity. Everybody's looking for community all the time. And then we have we have oversaturated ourselves with victimhood to create that being our identity. And now we have communities of people who identify with their victimhood and then force it on everybody else.
SPEAKER_03Wow. It's times like this where I wish we did have it video because I'm like, that is so good. Because again, it seems justifiable. And you're right, like that's almost like what trauma bonding is, right? You know, and now you're right. Now you're building yourself in community of these people. And not to say, like, yes, community is good. Like, it's important that we walk hand in hand and are um uplifting and encouraging towards one another. But at one what point are you gonna break that agreement?
SPEAKER_04It's it's about the type of community, right? You should have community. I think that's what gets us into these sicky situations because it's innate in us. It's something that the father breathed into us when he created us to be to want to be in community. So then every go everybody's going out to seek a community, right? And when you don't have your identity in Christ, yeah, you have to find your identity somewhere else.
SPEAKER_03That is really good. It's and that's what the enemy does is he will contort and twist what the father has created and almost like hijack it because you're right, like we are designed to live in community, but if it is twisted and now you're living in community in a way that is not God honoring, now something that is good has now become not good.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's been what is it, perverted?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it. And so I was um knowing that today's topic was gonna be on pride, I was just curious, even like the different kinds of pride, because there's pride in like to take pride in um your country, to take pride in um where you're from, to take pride in something that you've accomplished. I mean, that could be healthy, right? But and so I was thinking like there's just so many different types of pride, and I was trying to like maybe see through definition the different kinds. What I did not expect was there was for me to run into a list that listed 50 different types of pride. And honestly, there could probably be more, which just makes me think that pride is sprinkled and hidden into like every bit of sin.
SPEAKER_04Uh the devil's sin was pride.
SPEAKER_03There you go, right there. And so, like the root of all evil being pride is like I'm sure something that a lot of people have heard, but it's really because pride is what tells you that you don't need God a lot of times. There you go. Yeah, and the way that it is hidden, though, because I mean, Christians, Christians, like we deal with pride. So, in the way that again, it's just hidden, and we have, and this is again why community is even good, because it's like, man, call me out on my stuff, especially because I know I have blind spots. Call me out on that, help me see things that I actually cannot see for myself.
SPEAKER_04How there are so many proverbs that are about the ability to take correction and how foolish it is to not be able to take correction. Yeah. And we have we have to be able to take correction, like you're saying, call me out of it, especially with like these sneaky forms of pride and how they get in there, and like I think pride, pride being that it tells you that you don't need God, yeah. Or even that maybe God has forgotten about you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, right. That even goes back to like the self-pity. I want to read off some of these things, yeah. Um, so that that list of 50 different types, some of these you might just be able to identify right away. And some of them might be like, oh, interesting. I guess there is pride in that. So I'm gonna read through it kind of rapid fire. Want to be well-known or important, pride, self-pity. So an example of that. I feel sorry for myself because I'm not or do not have what I feel like I need or deserve. Others have what they need and want. I'm less than them. So that's a form of self-pity. You want to impress people, that could be pride, drawing attention to yourself. You like to talk about yourself, even being deceitful and pretentious. So, an example of a narrative that might come from this type of pride is I tend to be deceptive about myself and I find myself lying to preserve my reputation. I find myself hiding the truth about myself, especially about sins and weaknesses. I don't want people to know who I am. So that level of deceit is coming from pride.
SPEAKER_04I don't want people to know who I really am.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. You're trying to preserve a certain reputation. That's like fearing man more than you fear God. Um, some other examples, you're um self-sufficient, I think, is like a big pride, maybe one of the go-to things that I think about when I think about pride.
SPEAKER_04That is such a that is such a lie of the enemy, also.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Self-sufficient, you can't even breathe. The the breath you have in your lungs, the the ability you have even to pray is by because God has blessed you. That is his grace.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Let's pause on the self-sufficient one, even like, yeah, because to be self-sufficient in the way that that is so embedded into culture as being a good thing, what a lie of the enemy to almost claim that your independence is a strength. To say that you're self-sufficient in the way, to be like, I'm self-made, like starting from the bottom, now I'm here. You know, like what if I mean, just like even if you want to call it propaganda in the way that like media, music kind of paints that independency to be a good thing, even with women? You know, how many times have we heard that song? You know, I and D P like that's not a good thing. Or the like, you don't need a man that for women to be like, like honestly, there's so many women that take pride and like, I don't need a man to do it, I can do it by myself. Honestly, do you want to do it by yourself? Is that why you're saying it? And what man wants to be with a woman that's like, I have no need for you.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I was that woman. Yeah, so I'm gonna speak from experience. Like I I did it, I did it all myself. Don't you know? I heard growing up, don't ever depend on a man, don't ever depend on a man. And like, Lord Jesus, I just want to depend on a man. Um, it's I wrote here in the notes like working smarter, not harder, is submitting to the Lord's will. Like going by the Lord's design. You you were not designed to do it alone. Right. We were given each other, like, I don't need a man. There think of all the downstream impacts of the in the world that happened just from somebody saying that. One, you're overworked, you're tired, you're trying to prove something. You're, I mean, blatantly outside of God's will, right? Because God's not telling you. I mean, he may in a season be like, Don't worry about dating, I've got you. But he's not like, you don't ever need a man, you're so independent.
SPEAKER_03Like, how sneaky is that enemy to try to slide that in there and mask it to make it seem like it's a good thing. It really is not.
SPEAKER_04To keep you outside of community, outside of covenant, outside of fellowship, to isolate you. Yeah. And then it doesn't, it's the same thing, the way that we talk about the enemy perverting and counterfeiting things, where he takes this narrative and shifts it to take you out of God's design, and it always leaves you feeling empty and tired and unloved. Right.
SPEAKER_03It's the upside down world that we live in. Because the gospel tells us blessed are the poor in spirit, we recognize how spiritually starved we are. We are called to be dependent. Honestly, anytime I hit a low or any just like yeah, like low moments in life, those are the times where I recognize, like, wow, Lord, I thought I had it. But no, thank you for humbling me. I really, really need you. I really need you. And so it's like, that's again the upside down world that we live in. The world tells you to be independent, go and get it on your own, look, look all look at what all you have accomplished on your own, and you did it without any help. As if that is a an accolade or an accomplishment when the Bible's the opposite.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. What a lie.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And and I think that it's perceived that also the self-sufficiency is pride, but then it almost breeds more pride, right? Because you want the the praise or the accolade of having been self-sufficient.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like, look how tough I am.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Look how resilient I am. Right. Instead of recognizing that like you're nothing apart from Christ.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That Christ gave you strength.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04That you you were carried here, you know, like everything was set up for you.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04And that's why when when I'm wrapping it up here, I'm gonna keep going on a tangent. It's gonna take us too far in the other direction. Okay. You talk, I'm gonna fill up my coffee. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Well, I'll openly admit here on the podcast that pride is something that I'm constantly having to work out. And even for me to be like, I'm self-aware in that is like also rooted in pride. It's like, Lord, can I just is there any way out of this? You know? And and so like I'll even say when I accomplish something, or if I hear a um a compliment on even something, it makes me feel good. And then it's like you feel a little bit of your pride rising up. And I think that's why it's so important in John 15 when it calls us just to be connected to the vine, to always be abiding. Like we need to always like in everything, not to like overly uh I don't know, spiritualize and always be glory to God, glory to God, praise the Lord, praise the Lord. But I honestly think there's a there's a need for that.
SPEAKER_04I yeah, I don't think it's a bad thing. Yeah, I'm sorry, I cut you off.
SPEAKER_03No, we're um we really rely on technology sometimes because sometimes Ary and I will just go off and talk. And then we have these moments of like, were we even recording?
SPEAKER_04I there's something happening to with our equipment. It's either in my head, listen, in the name of Jesus, I rebuke any of this. Yeah, okay, back back to where we were.
SPEAKER_03Um, yeah, just the self-sufficiency and even me just being like, I even talking with my husband this week where I'm like saying the thing that's bothering me and being like, I recognize this is probably my pride, and I'm really trying. But yeah, I just have to constantly ask God.
SPEAKER_04I mean speaking of being poor in spirit, like recognizing it. Thank you, Jesus, for the grace to let me know to even think, is this my pride? Thank you that you have removed the scales from my eyes and I can see.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And I'm not at ease in my sin. Right. That that I have the we've we've said this more than once that like repentance is a gift, it's a blessing, it's a beautiful thing. Thank God that we know that we've we've had our eyes opened to it. So we know that like that you have that that capacity, that you've been blessed with that from the Holy Spirit to be like, is this my pride? Or this is definitely my pride. Right. And I have that like the same type of self sufficiency thing that like I just felt like I didn't need anybody. I was gonna figure it all out myself. And it just like, that's not. It's not a happy place.
SPEAKER_03No, it's not. Yeah. I I think I'm like as we're talking too, I just keep thinking about the ways that pride is just so sneaky. Because even when you think about people that are anxious, you don't necessarily think it's like, oh, it's because there's pride in there. That's not like your first thought. But even being anxious, there's a there's an element of pride in there because the narrative with someone that's anxious is like I'm anxious about my life and my future, and I tend to not trust God. And I rarely experience his abiding and just transcendent peace in my soul. Like I have a hard time even sleeping because of fearful thoughts and burdens that I carry. So that that type of narrative of anxiousness is really like you're not fully trusting God. And if you're not trusting God, it's because you think you know better. So again, a sneaky way that pride will slide in without you recognizing it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think that's so important, and more people need to talk about that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04It's these, these, um, like a similar to like um self-pity and victimhood.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Where like that's that's still rooted in self. Anxiety or being like hyper anxious to the point of you can't sleep because you're worried about what's gonna happen. Like, and granted, there are places in the world where this is probably it is probably more difficult to do this, right? To just sleep at night because of the circumstances, the geographical circumstances, the political circumstances. But if you're here and you're talking about you're so stressed out and anxious because of like what's going on in the world, like here is in the US, like, honey for what?
SPEAKER_03Right, right. Yeah. I'm like, what would you say is the opposite of pride?
SPEAKER_04I'm I think the first thing I think about is humility, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And I would agree with that. That's like the first word that comes into my mind. And like the more we unpack it, it's I feel like the opposite of pride is just saying that you don't need God in whatever situation that you're in.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. That you don't need him or he's forgotten about you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, or a lack of trust in him.
SPEAKER_04How are you so special that you're the one person he's forgotten about? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It's like, do you not think that he notices? It kind of goes back to though our past episode of um, I think it was our forgiveness episode. But um, I don't know, just to think that you're justified in this. And even with your sorrows and your pity and your anxiousness, a lot of times it's because you feel justified in feeling that. And so again, just that that layer of self-righteousness, really, exactly, which is synonymous with pride.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Even just the thinking about feeling justified in any of this, like I just I think this is why I just am so uh an advocate for people really, really, really reading the Bible. Like get in the word, get in the word and understand. Like, you can't you can't decide, you can't paint a picture of God that you've created on your own and just decide that's who he is, and that's what it's like. If you don't know what he has done and said, if you don't know anything truly about him, I'm sure he he can still reveal himself to you. But the um, how do you know what to be justified with if you don't know your father's voice? That's great. What are you measuring the justice with? Yeah, yeah, and you know, it Moses says it in Exodus, right? Like, all you have to do is be still and the Lord will fight for you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. I'm even thinking about like um how you're saying just the importance of getting into your word, because you'll the more you read and the more you get to see the characteristics of God, and all of us saying, like, okay, let's not be prideful and let's uproot that, but you'll also learn, and even if you already know, you'll learn and you'll learn and you'll learn, just like actually how kind and patient and gentle God is, even in those moments that he is still caring of how we feel about things, because he is our father in heaven and he cares like he collects every tear in a jar, right? But I'm even thinking about so we said the opposite of pride is humility, and I think this was on one of the podcasts that both you and I had both listened to. Um, it's this podcast called God's Voice Today. And this guy was sharing his testimony and was even talking about he had a vision, or maybe it was a dream, where Jesus is hanging on the cross and he has this moment of realizing that he's actually naked hanging there. And just imagine like how humiliating that would be for anyone. And then it made me think like, in what part of the Bible do you ever see Jesus being prideful? Ever. And then it's like, think about how many times he has shown so much humility to the point of humiliation, to yeah, full acceptance of the humiliation, even like washing the disciples' feet, that type of humility that he has shown. Like, where in the Bible is he ever prideful? The king of kings, the son of God.
SPEAKER_04The the only person, feel it feels like a not a big enough word for him, that deserves all of the that has the right to have all of that pride. Yeah. And still.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, we're like preaching to ourselves because it's really it's it's checking me, it's checking my spirit. It really, really is. Even in the times of like that, I complain about things. I'm like, you have no right. You have no right, and it's not to be like, oh, you're not worth it. So you no, that's not it. Continue to just lean on God and ask him to just reveal things. Like, I want to be right with God. Um just makes you grateful automatically when you think about this.
SPEAKER_04Truly, it it does, and it we um you know, there's even some like performative humility that's just rooted in pride, also. And in thinking about like, we talked about this, I think, on Thursday, you and I, like the how I'm I I don't know how I feel about the word intention and what your intentions are and what your intentions mean, but in knowing where your heart is postured, I think coming from people like Kim and I, who are can be um what we would say as self-aware and um I don't want to say self-critical, but like very open to feedback. I guess can be hard on ourselves. We have high expectations of ourselves. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That um like the recognition of it.
SPEAKER_04I think I need to go to the doctor. You don't. It happens every episode. I don't do this in conversation with you.
SPEAKER_03No, you don't.
SPEAKER_04Why don't why do my thoughts just leave?
SPEAKER_03You know what? I think it's because like when we're recording, we're unpacking it live. And some of the thoughts, even if we talk about it beforehand, some of the thoughts they're coming out live on the podcast.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. I remember now. Okay, I think I should go to the doctor or start writing notes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Lord. Um, the the heart posture of like where where's your heart postured in in these in these actions? Like, because I I know how I am and my problems. And when I do something that could be seen as being humbled, I then start to really try to question myself of like, where are you doing that for yourself? Who who are you wanting to give glory to for that? Was that Holy Spirit led or was that flesh-led? But the are you looking for, are you is your heart postured in a way to give the glory to God? Or is your heart postured in a way to give the glory to yourself? Right. And I think when we think any any of these forms of pride, thinking about how that how that works with your heart posture when when you're anxious, when you're trying to be a perfectionist, when you're looking for to be the center of attention, is your heart are you are you looking for those things? Do you feel those feelings because your heart is postured in a way to give glory to God, or because you're just consumed with yourself?
SPEAKER_03That's really good. Because it's making me think about like, okay, what about when we do something? Like God has He He blesses whatever our hands touch so that we would do it well. And so it makes me think about when we go out and do things, when we have a job, when we have an assignment, when we're trying to complete something and accomplish something, like when we're done, of course it feels good. Of course, we were like, wow, that was hard and I did it. And there's a sense of like self-accomplishment, right? But I think maybe the distinction too, it's like knowing that you couldn't have done it without the help of God and him gracing you with that ability. But and I think, I mean, like, I don't think God doesn't ever want us to feel that sense of accomplishment. Cause I think that's like it's um, it's it's encouraging to our spirits. But I I really again, it just comes down to recognizing that it wasn't you alone that did it, that God equipped you and gave you the capacity to do it. And then even that feels good. So I think it's it's good to feel good, right? But I also think that this is why it's so important to have our identities rooted in Christ. It all goes back to that, I feel like, when it even comes to like feeling proud of what you did, and it's like I'm proud of it because it's like I don't know, to even know that you are called his daughter and that we came from him, that he created us, that we are his creation, that we belong to him, to even be in that same grouping of being like, I belong to you, God. That in itself should be like the source of what makes us feel good.
SPEAKER_04More than anything.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I I will say, like, even during my times of like competing, I always wrestled with like, Lord, is this worldly ambition or is this ambition that you have placed up within me? And it always like teetering of like, okay, am I getting pulled in the drawn in the wrong direction? Like, is this worldly ambition for Kim, or is this like ambition, Lord, I want to give you glory? That is a difficult place to be in. And again, like we have to just always be discerning. And I think if we're constantly in our in our um devotion and just being in our secret place can consistently, God helps reveal those things to us. But we have to be rooted.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we have to be in the vine.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm. Or it gets it gets lost so easy. It's so easy to drift, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_04It it's really rooted in having your identity because I think if you were to ask me two or three years ago, like, who are you? Tell me about yourself, it'd be it'd be wildly different today. And there were so many tiny facets of things of the world that I identified so closely to that I felt like were the genetic makeup of me and my personality and who I am. Whereas now I feel like I don't, none of those things matter.
SPEAKER_03You know what's a very humbling question to ask ourselves is what if you never got a good job, Kimberly, or good job, Ari. What if um you never got recognition for anything that you did? How would that make you feel? Honestly, yeah. My flesh is like, man, that would be disheartening. But then it's like, okay, what if you constantly got it from the Lord and He was constantly like, job well done, job well done, but we never got it from people. You know, I don't know, because that's not the world we live in right now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, but it is a very like humbling question to ask ourselves and even to be like, um that's such good perspective, Kim. What if we're always in the backseat? Always.
SPEAKER_04Well, it's kind of like that that episode we had the other like a while back with like not the main character. Right. You're not the main character, yes. You are always in the backseat. Yes, but there should be some sort of relief in that also, yeah.
SPEAKER_03A relief from it, definitely a relief from it.
SPEAKER_04Because guess what? If you were in the if you were the main character and you were in the driver's seat, then you're gonna have to pay for all of your sins yourself. Yeah, then it is gonna be on you. Yeah, how are you gonna do that?
SPEAKER_03That's great, yeah. You can't that that's what it comes down to, yeah. It's like, oh, you want it to be all on you? Okay, let's see how that goes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Man, that is so good. And what a great way to really bring it around. Because if pride is basically saying that you know better than God and you don't need him. And I mean, those are like people that today that reject Christianity and reject the gospel to be like, I don't need you. At the end of your life, when you're facing eternity and you're knocking on the gates of heaven, and then to be like, Hey, I never knew you. Actually, you said you never needed my help, sir.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, ma'am. You did it all yourself, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So go pay for it yourself. So go be where God is not.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Oh you you didn't want me around, so I'm gonna let you not have me around.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_04Right. How's that?
SPEAKER_03How's that gonna, yeah? Ooh, that is heavy.
SPEAKER_04Look, yeah, it's the denying of Christ is pride. The only reason anybody wants to deny him and doesn't want to get to know him, and this is just my opinion. You can tell me whatever you think about it. People can tell me I'm wrong, but it's just pride. It's because you can't let something be bigger than you, bigger and better than you. You can't see perfection outside of yourself.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I don't want to carry all of the weight. You know, even so talking about marriages, like, I don't want to be the one that's like that's not my our design. I I want my husband to lead. You know, I want God to be leading me and showing me. Because half the time, more than half the time, all the time, I I don't know. When are you ever like 1000% sure about something?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Constantly needing the Holy Spirit to guide me. Constantly.
SPEAKER_04Even the the point of like people who say they have like really good intuition. I'm just like super intuitive. I'm so intuitive. Feels very prideful for me, too. Like, yeah, I think you've gotten a blessing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I had, I think I've said this on the podcast before. I had a moment where God told me that he spoke to me and said to me, it was never your intuition. And boy, did that wake me up. Wow. Like it was, I remember exactly I was sitting in my car and I was in the driveway, and I was, I was thinking about leaving my job.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And I was saying, I know this is the right thing to do. And I was trying to tell myself, like, you've been you your intuition has always led you to the right place. And I heard him like clear as day. It was never your intuition. Wow. And that was, I was like, I could get on my face right now. You're right. I didn't do any of this. Wow. It was never, it was, it was the grace of God. It was the Holy Spirit literally leading me through everything.
SPEAKER_03Wow, that is so good. Um, as you're talking, I'm literally just recalling things in my mind of the times that like feeling accomplished of something that I did. But I'm like, it was never me. Yeah. If anything, that accomplishment led me from one thing to the next. And that is all God's plan. Like none of it was ever me. Even in the things that we know, even the things that have been placed on our hearts, even the things that come to our thought, even just in the way that we think.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's it's never been us.
SPEAKER_04It's so I don't know why I'm thinking about it in this way. So if you're a child, you or you have a child, so think about it maybe from Kendrick's perspective, uh-huh. And you're gonna take him to Disneyland. And he doesn't know he's going to Disneyland.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You're gonna surprise him. And he's just going on this long trip. And so he keeps asking to stop. Like, mom, I want to go to McDonald's to play in the playplace. I don't know if that even exists anymore. Like, I want to go play in the playplace at McDonald's, and you're like, okay, and then it adds a day to the trip. And every day you add to the trip, it takes you longer to get there. But then does it also take away the long the amount of time you spend there, also? And so God is like, you're you're, you know, like with this 40 years in the wilderness, like you have this pride of like, actually, God, I want to do this, and He's gonna be like, Well, okay, but it's you know, it was gonna take you two weeks. Now we got to add some time to it. And then, okay, actually, next I want to do this.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And it's we just don't have the same vantage point because we don't know we're gonna we're ending up at this destination that we love. That is so good, and honestly, that's so good.
SPEAKER_03Because in the example, that's what happened. Most of the people that were in the wilderness ended up never getting to see the promised land because they spent all their time wasted in the wilderness.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, because they wanted to do dumb things like worship their earrings and yeah. It's easy for me to say that. I think about this all the time. Like, I get real harsh on the the Israelites in in the old testament, and then I'm like, you're just as dumb, Ariana. Right, you're it you just have technology now. Yeah, it might be worse. I know.
SPEAKER_03I'm constantly again thinking, like, well, how would I have responded? My pride is like, nah, you wouldn't have done that. Yeah, but then like the reality is like you probably would have been just like them, just as wicked, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Pride will really slide in. I'm thinking, so in Psalms 10:4, it says, the wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God. God is in none of his thoughts. When God is never in your when God is not in your thoughts in the way that it says here, it's because you're you're in the driver's seat and you think you know better and you think you know what your next move and what you need to do.
SPEAKER_04Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. Right. I'm all I think about. I'm all everybody else thinks about, too. Yeah. Even being self-conscious. Yeah. You think everyone's paying attention to you. That was in that list. Yeah. Being self conscious.
SPEAKER_03Not everyone is actually watching you.
SPEAKER_04Just me. I'm watching you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It's it's funny because when you when we say that even being self conscious is a thing of pride, it seems like it would be opposite. Because you think someone that is prideful is someone that is overly confident and maybe even arrogant. It's not true. It's just having a self centered. perspective over everything through the lens of life. Yeah. That everything is about you.
SPEAKER_04Being self-censored, self-centered. Also being self-preoccupied. Yes. That is, I think that one goes, that's a lot. People are so self-preoccupied where it might not look like the nat, the the what we think about is self-centeredness, but anything, anything happens in any circumstance. And their first thought is them. Yeah. Whether it be bad or good. Me.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04How am I feeling? What am I going through? How am I going to handle this?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like Lord, wring our hearts out of pride. Take strip us from the lie of the enemy telling us that we have to keep ourselves safe.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And and then I think about going to the feet of Jesus. Like being in that lowly place is the best place that you could be. Just like picturing someone like I don't know almost like crawling back to the Lord and just being stripped of all the pride.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That that is where you actually want to be a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_04Have you seen I didn't listen or watch the whole thing, but that weird interview that Shia LaBeouf has done recently. I haven't. It's actually this part is so tender. And the man swears a lot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But I think he I I like him. He's tenderhearted. I like him.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And um Frankie actually had a dream last week that he lived I I lived in an apartment with him. Uh-huh. With Shiloh. But anyways officially doesn't like Shiloh Love anymore. He he um this man is interviewing him and asks him and I don't think this man has um a belief system similar. Shiloh love is a a self um he identifies as Catholic. And he says if you could ask Jesus one thing what would you ask him? And he starts crying and he's like I wouldn't ask him anything. I'd I'd kiss him I'd kiss his feet. Wow. I wouldn't say anything I'm I don't deserve to ask him anything. I would just kiss him.
SPEAKER_03Wow. That is a great response.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And I think actually true I think when we get to heaven in in the way that we're like what would you ask God when you like I think we'll be so consumed by his love that we won't be thinking about the questions. We'll just be like consumed by his presence.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Like that that's Frankie and I kind of talked about that last night too about like how he was saying how he wants to still be with I don't know what there was conversation about still wanting to be around the people that we love. I think he said like the people we're connected to on earth still being connected to them there and um it's like I just maybe we just don't even have a concern about it because we're just in God's presence worshiping all the time. Yeah. And that that feels better than anything.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. No, I really think that's what it's gonna be like because it's like when we are I don't know when we're with someone that we love like let's talk about our husbands for example are we thinking about everyone else that we could be spending time with not really yeah that's a good perspective.
SPEAKER_04Just to be like in the moment and to be present or like if you're eating a really bomb meal like are you thinking about all the other foods you could be eating no no you're just like consumed by the right now most of the time and I just have to think that like I think that guy in that podcast said this too like the the best thing you could ever think of experiencing here on earth doesn't even isn't even remotely like an iota of how good good is in the presence of God. Right right yeah well leave us with this do you have any final thoughts before I wrap this up no um this Proverbs 1618 which I think is pretty popular most people know this pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall the just if if pride goes before destruction it's never gonna lead anywhere good no it's the opposite of life basically pride goes before destruction so I'm gonna keep asking myself this question that's why I wanted to talk about it today because it was a question I started asking myself what doors has the Lord opened for you that pride has kept you from walking through and I just I hope that you all think the same thing. Ask yourself that question you can't it is what it is now. Like don't you can't like oh coulda woulda shoulda thank you Jesus that you're here today yeah uh breathing and praising and worshiping and maybe it's opened your eyes so that the next time the next door opens up you can run through it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah I and even just to sit on that verse that Proverbs 1618 pride goes before destruction. Don't want to walk into destruction which means we need to stay away from pride completely. Yeah and again to even be aware of like how silent pride could slip in so to pray for that discernment Lord if there's anything I am prideful of that I am blind to please reveal it to me.
SPEAKER_04Please give me the eyes to see and to not be offended if you're asking for that here comes a messenger yeah don't be mad at the messenger welcome correction yeah test the spirit yes but welcome correction yes that's great consider the fruit that's great I think that's a great note to wrap it on to even cool spirit that was a good one I had fun there. I liked this all right should I say us a little prayer please Lord Jesus thank you thank you for waking us up thank you for giving us the breath in our lungs and this just the tongues and the bodies to be able to praise you and worship you and pray to you today Lord thank you thank you that you've given Kim and I the space I pray that you bless the space you bless our words and you keep us in a place of only speaking about you and your glory with our hearts positioned only to glorify you and to say the right words the sound doctrine that you've want communicated to your sons and daughters Father Father I pray that you reveal to us who we are without our fleshly pride. Reveal to us the way that you designed us without pride without insecurity without fear without the lie of self-sufficientness Father I pray that you remind us you you remind us that we are poor in spirit remind our spirits how much we need you and how we need to follow you. I pray that we can avoid pride in every direction with the discernment of your Holy Spirit with your good guidance and grace, Lord Jesus, that pride goes before destruction, but we know that you go before us that you go before us and set our path for us. I pray that we keep our eyes on you as we walk step by step as you're a lantern to our feet Lord and I pray that you bless those steps and bless all that's listening with favor and supernatural blessings Father in Jesus' name amen