Let The Word Of God Nourish You

Welcome back! After a week off Ariana + Kimberly are back and discussing Psalm 1:2-3. What is it to delight in the law of The Lord, meditating on his word day and night. 

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I actually like how we're holding it so loosely.

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Yeah.

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Like this is not controlling our lives.

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No. It's purely because we love to talk about the things of God.

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Right. That's it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. This is not a job.

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No.

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Are we recording? We are recording.

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Okay.

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Well, welcome to Through It, everyone.

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Welcome to Through It.

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Uh, we were just talking about how strange it feels that we skipped a week, but I feel like I feel refreshed.

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Yeah.

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Little pause.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

I was dying for this. I was so excited. But I went to California last week. Um I got to see my brother and his family, my new baby niece. Oh. And I got to be there for one of my closest friends over the last more than 12 years, which is so crazy. But um she got engaged. Her boyfriend proposed. So that was congrats. Pretty much why I went down there. So shout out to Rachel Sanchez, the soon-to-be Rachel Lloyd. I don't think she listens to this. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Well, that's really cool. Was it like a public engagement?

SPEAKER_02 1:27

So it was so cute. So um Rachel and I, we there's three of us. Okay. Rachel Morgan and I. And we were we've been just really close friends for many years. We grew up in the same hometown.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Okay.

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And then after I moved here to Seattle, maybe six months later, Rachel ended up moving here. So she lived here. We both lived here up until I moved to New York. She moved back to California. How fun. Um, so what her boyfriend did was he planned this proposal and invited myself, Morgan, our other friend, um, her brother who lives in Indiana, wow, her aunt, who she's very close to, and her two cousins um to to join. And sh obviously she didn't know. So they her friends that she's close to in LA um told her they were all gonna be celebrating one of their birthdays. She thought they were going out to celebrate her girlfriend's birthday. And they're like, let's go hang out on on your roof, like the rooftop of the apartment. Okay. And they um they went up there, her boyfriend was there, Jaron was there, he proposed, and then he tells her, Let's all go have dinner. I'm taking everybody to dinner. And the family and and Morgan and I were at the restaurant. Oh so she walked in thinking she was just with like I mean her close friends, but like her friends that she's with right now.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Oh my goodness, she was probably shocked. Yeah, it's really hard to pull off a genuine surprise like that, especially with somebody like Rachel, who is like needs to know everything. Oh wow, that is so cool. He did good.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

Yeah, he did.

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Amazing.

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He he said he changed all our names to his coworkers' names in his phone. Yeah. And he would even the day of he was texting me and he's like, I'm just making sure everything's good. Do not text me back on like again today. Like that's he was deleting everything. I don't know, he did really good. I'm really, really happy for them.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

That's really cool. Yeah, how exciting! I love I love hearing stories about stuff like that, whether it's engagements, weddings, like baby deliveries, all those things that come with life. New dogs, you know. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Tell us about your new child.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

So funny. Ari just got a dog. How long has it been?

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Like three weeks. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Yeah, that's it. Not even a month? It feels like so long, maybe a month. So roughly give or take.

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May 21st. I brought her home.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

So crazy. Almost a month in. Um, Ari got a dog. And I got a dog two days ago. Like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_02 4:26

I know, which is so funny because there's a recording on this podcast of both of us talking about how we don't ever want dogs.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

That's crazy. And I'll say it, it's not that I never wanted one. Um, I'll just say because I know that with it comes such like great responsibility. I've never wanted to willingly take on more of a responsibility, you know. But I'm glad that my husband pulled the trigger on that because who knows when I would have been ready. And now I'm just like reaping the benefits of having a really, really, really, really beautiful samoid puppy. So if you don't know what a samoid is, they basically look like a big poof ball, they're just like super fluffy and white. He almost looks like he has a mane.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Yeah, his name's Bear, and Kendrick was like, we should name him Lion, but his name's Bear.

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His name could be Bear Lion.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Yeah, that's cute. Bear lion.

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My dog has a middle name.

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My dog has a middle name. I know. And mine's just naming an animal after another animal. I take names so seriously.

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Very, very seriously.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

I actually love that because I think everyone should.

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I like want everything to be have a meaning. Well, not even that, but I just want it to be so unique, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

Yeah, I'm big on meanings. Not that like bear has a deep meaning, but it's cool because out of the pets we've had, we have always renamed them. But um, with Bear, the breeder named him Bear. And then our old husky, we used to call him Beau Bear. And with the breeder naming this dog Bear, I'm like, how sweet. That feels perfect. We're just gonna keep that. And then he was the last pup in the litter, too. They yeah, they drove him from Pennsylvania. So this is funny. They delivered him from Pennsylvania. He was driven across country. And although I don't know this, but I know this they the breeders do not have phones, apparently don't believe in flying, and they're from Pennsylvania. I'm like, they're they Amish, they yeah, full on. So Bear already knows Jesus, probably, but we're changing his life. Zippers, electricity, yeah, buttons, all of the things that he didn't have before, and so yeah, we are sleepless, but feeling fulfilled.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

Yeah, I'm so happy that you guys got a dog. Yeah, I feel like there's so much in this, like it's it's not just like, oh, you got a dog.

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I feel like there is like God's hand in this, yeah.

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Because yeah, there's just I think gonna be a lot of ripple effects outside of you've had dogs, you have a child, like you understand the responsibility. It's not that part, but there is something else there.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

I feel like too, it just genuinely feels like a start of like a whole new adventure. Just thinking about like Kendrick growing up with a dog is like a really big deal, especially at this age. At this age, like it's perfect in 10 years. Kendrick's gonna be 15. Like he's and he's six right now. A six-year-old versus a 15-year-old, like he's gonna have him around for that long. I think it's precious. And hopefully Barry lives to be much longer than that 15, 20, 30 years.

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Yeah, there is a dog alive right now that's 30 years old.

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That is crazy.

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The oldest living dog. So that's why I pray that Delta will be the second oldest living dog.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Yes. The this oldest living dog, is it a small dog?

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It's bigger than Delta. Yeah, it's not a big, big dog. Okay, because I know small dogs live longer than big dogs.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

That's why I was curious. I think Delta's gonna live a long life. Also, on another note, if I sound like I'm just speaking in like a very low tone, it's because if I exert my voice too much, I'll just start coughing. I'm like fighting this cough. I don't know. I feel fine, but it's like very much a nuisance. Like, I think the the biggest annoyance is that I cough nonstop throughout the night. And so I'm not sleeping. That's terrible.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

We gotta pray against that.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Shout out to Ari for bringing me a coffee. I didn't even ask, and I was really, I almost texted you of like, do you mind making a pit stop and getting coffee? It was because I am like, this is my lifeline right now.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

I was on the phone with you last weekend as you were getting a coffee and remembered your order.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

You see, some people just pay attention. That's pretty slick, actually, that you remembered that. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

It's um an old coffee order of mine.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Yeah, so that's actually remembered.

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It's still it's not anything too super complicated.

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I know. I'm like, as long as it's I'm like not hard to please though when it comes to I'm not a coffee snob.

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Like if there's caffeine in it, yeah, we're good. We're good.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Call it good.

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A P.M. black coffee all day.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

I'll drink it. Yeah, yeah. Our pastor and his Dunkin' Donuts coffee.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

I do love Dunkin' Donuts.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

I wonder, like, if you placed it next to another just like drip black coffee, if you could tell the difference.

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Um, I bet I could.

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Yeah.

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It does taste different way better. I just need to pay attention more when it comes to like well, there's like standard coffee that that isn't just black. Like however, they make it like a regular coffee at Dunkin' Donuts, that is the the creme de la creme. However much cream and sugar they put in there, yeah, it's perfect.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Is that interesting? I don't even know if I've if I've had Dunkin' Donuts coffee, if I did, it must be over 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

I will go out of my way for Dunkin' Donuts. That's funny. When I moved to New York, I got off the plane. I was in New York, Newark airport. Was I? No, I was in the Boston Airport, and the first thing I did was go to Dunkin' Donuts.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Wow.

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I was so excited.

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Just a coffee?

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Yeah. I'm not eating donuts, especially not from like you know what's funny that like donuts is like a like obviously it's a treat, you know?

SPEAKER_00 10:54

But that people would eat it for breakfast blows my mind. Yeah. Not judging, but it's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Or judging a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Yeah. I just imagine that I I would not feel good.

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No, at any time of the day. I know.

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I do love a good donut though.

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A good donut.

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I love donuts.

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Have you had legendary donuts?

SPEAKER_00 11:18

I have. I don't remember which one I had. I just know of like, you know, like when you when you've competed before and like you just all the treats, the cookies, the donuts. You've basically tried everything.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Uh Frankie found what are those grumpy something cookies? They're like a local cookie company.

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Okay.

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He found two of them in the fridge from no way that he froze. Yeah. I had half of one. It made me feel terrible.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

That's so fun. He just had it stashed.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

The things that you do. Did he eat it?

SPEAKER_02 11:53

No, he can't right now because he's um what flavor was it? One was the Sasquatch flavor. So that's how old they were. Almost a year old.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

They're still good.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

And the other one was, yeah, they were definitely excellent. But I had half of one and it was a like a gut bomb.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, I'd pick a cookie over a donut, but if I get a donut, I'm just a glazed girl. Like I just love a good, like twisted glazed donut.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Man.

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And I'm good with that.

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I'm gonna make everybody hungry.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

I know. So on another note, a different kind of food. Let's go to the Bible. Um, I um I feel like Psalm 1 is one of those psalms that you do hear pretty often. Like, at least just for me, I'm like, okay, Psalm 51, Psalm 137, Psalm 139, Psalm 91. Like those are kind of this Psalm 23, 24, like, but for some reason, when I uh read Psalm 1 again recently, it just I don't know, some just in the way that we say the word comes alive, it really came alive to me and just I feel like I experienced a new layer of it. And to be honest, I don't even know if I read the psalm and then I had this thought, or if I had the thought and then I went back to the psalm. But I want to read, I'm just gonna read verses two and three. And I'm gonna try not to cough here. All right, so Psalm 1, 2, but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night. Verse 3 He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. And all that he does, he prospers. Honestly, this is just one of those days I could just cry reading that. Yeah, like God is so good.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

God is so good.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

And so the thought that I was sharing with Ari earlier before we hit record, I was in the car either yesterday or the day before. And I was just thinking, like, how it says here, his delight is in the law. And I was thinking, like, wow, I really delight in your law, Lord. Like, wow, I really love your commandments. And I don't know if I would have been able to say that and to feel it and really experience it a couple years ago, or maybe even last year, I would have said, like, I love the Bible, but to say it in a way of like, I really delight in your law. I there was just like a new layer that I feel like the Holy Spirit graced me to be able to experience and feel. And so I guess to elaborate on that, to delight, but his delight is in the law. I I delight, like I have a the way that delight could be um broken down as like a deep pleasure, a deep-seated joy, satisfaction, it's not an obligation. And I think highlighting it's not an obligation because how many of us think that the commandments are just like it's a rule. But when you think of like, oh, I love rules, that's I mean, like that doesn't sound pleasurable. It doesn't feel like it incites any joy. But when you think about like you delight in the law, it makes me think that, like of Psalm 91, like those who, you know, dwell in the shadow of the most high will abide in the shelter of the Almighty. Like it makes me feel like I'm under his protective shade. It makes me feel like I'm under his covering, it makes me feel like when I don't know what to do. Thank God that you have your word and your law, and I'll just do that. And I know by doing that, I'm gonna be fully covered and protected. I'm like, wow, I love having your law, Lord. I love having that.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

I think there's something to be said too that this is the first psalm, that this is like setting the tone for what's to come in Psalms, and it it immediately points out that you delight in the law of the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

And on his law, he meditates day and night. Yes. Like for that to be the first thing that like the it's hard for me with uh like the rule thing because I genuinely feel I I don't want to say like enjoy rules, but I really, really enjoy structure and really mind. Yeah, and so I feel super thankful to the Lord that that he has given us these parameters of life to stay in his will and by his side and under the shadow of the Almighty so that we're not unknowingly going out and doing terrible things, right? Yeah, because I'm I mean, maybe there were people like that in history, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Yeah, I mean, because how many times have people said, like in frustration of not knowing how to do something, that they're like, Can you just tell me what to do? Yeah, just tell me what to do. Yeah, like there's such a relief that comes with that, and that's why people say that is like I don't know what to do. Can you please just tell me what to do so I don't have to think and I could just do? And not to say that we don't have to think about it, like they like we very much should um I don't know, like invest in and be engaged in and all those things when it comes to like his word and being in his presence, but there is such a relief still and such an ease that comes with like, especially when you're in hard times and you're struggling to just to be able to like lean on that. There is truly like such a I don't know, a comfort. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

It is a comfort. I don't know why it's reminding me of like the the beginning of wisdom is or fear of the Lord is beginning of wisdom, yeah. Because even that is like I think sometimes so misunderstood. It is and like the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, yeah. But you have to understand what how you're fearing the Lord, right? Not like in this scared animal way that's cowered down and like running away from. That's that's not the fear of the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

I actually really like that you took it there. Um the other night before Kendrick was going to sleep, we were talking about like what does it mean to fear the Lord? And I was trying to teach him that. And so one of the things that I said was like, because we know how powerful and holy and um like he's the king of kings, he has all authority, that we don't want to be away from that. And so to fear him is to be scared of being away from him. And so there's something about what you said with like that this psalm made you think of that, that proverb, because to be away from him, you'll know that like it's it's like you won't know what to do.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

That's perfect. The way you just related that was perfect.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Well, it makes sense that that's what came to your mind. And so when we're with him, because we have the fear of the Lord, so we know that we have to stay under his covering, and as you're under his covering, will come wisdom, and not wisdom that is self-generated, but wisdom that comes from being in his presence, and now you're connected to the vine, and he is like downloading that into you and through you, even the wisdom to want to be near him, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Just that part to like to not want to be separate from him. Yeah, not that like I'll come near you and then you give me wisdom, but like the wisdom of like I need to come near you, yeah. And it's twofold, it's tenfold, it's a hundredfold. Like he's he he he multiplies, he exceeds and abounds in in his blessings, but it's like what has to happen to someone for them to realize that they need to be with God, you know?

SPEAKER_00 20:36

That I think it has to be supernatural, it does, and what's sad is sometimes a lot of us have to go through something really difficult before we have the like appetite to really want to cling on to him, and not just to like honestly sitting at his feet is great, holding his hand is great, but to like really just fall at his feet and to cling on to him. Like, granted, God is the one that is holding on to us. We would be fooled if we thought that we were the ones holding on to him, but to have like that kind of like a hunger and that kind of a thirst, I think that is born in hardships, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

But it's like typically, and I think it happens, I don't know, I say I think it happens so often, but it's there whatever way you come to him, he chose you and drew you to him first. Yeah, yeah, and sometimes unfortunately for a lot of people, and I think this has to do with our own stubbornness, truthfully, because I think he's he's given us opportunities from the point of consciousness, yeah, or capacity, but it's most of the time we are because we are human, yeah, so stubborn and so in our own way that we reject it. So then we have to get yeah to that shook. Yeah, we have to get to that like quote unquote rock bottom to be able to be like, well, I actually can't do it, God. Like, I do need you.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

And he got us such a gentleman. There's a song by Tasha Cobbs called Gracefully Broken. And I always just think of that like phrase, gracefully broken. Like God breaks us so gracefully, but it's so that it's not really breaking as much as it is just um peeling back the layers of the things that are not serving us anymore. You know, that's like the pruning out of it.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Which is such a blessing.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

It is like, thank you, Lord, that you don't leave us where we are. Yes. I think is huge. Um, and then to your point, too, of even having like the awareness of that is like such God's grace. Cause how many times does someone go through something and they just have maybe the wrong perspective of it? And you can't just tell someone like, change your perspective. Like that's not gonna make them change, you know? But it really has to come from the Lord, like, which is why don't wait to go through hard times to reap and sow. Like you have to have these deposits within you, like meditate on his word day and night so that you have these seeds in the storehouse, you know. Like I never want in the way in the natural that we need to like be prepared for things when we go on a trip, when if there's a storm that comes or whatever, like we do all these things to prepare for when the storm comes, right? So, same thing, like spiritually speaking, like pour into your spirit, meditate on his word day and night, um, so that when the storm comes, you have something to sustain you, you know.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

It's I mean, verse three. He is like a tree planted by a by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season and its leaf does not wither, like a tree, which is like solid, rooted. Yeah, also trees are dependent on each other, yeah, on their community, yeah. Planted by streams of water, like right with the source, where they can get all their nutrients. It's not a tree that's far away from water and has to grow and you know, like wait for rain. It's right there by the water.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

Yeah. I just love that visual so much. Just like imagery in in general, like in the Bible, like I think in um Psalms 58, there's uh no, not Psalm 58, um, Isaiah 58, where it says that we'll be watered like a garden. I just think that's like such a beautiful visual and just imagery. And same thing with this, like he's like a tree planted by streams of water, just even like seeing the streams of water and like how beautiful that is, as that being like a source, and that's that's the word, that's you know, being in the presence of the Lord, and that you're nourished. So, in the way that a tree is being nourished by the streams of water, like wow, let the word of God nourish you and it enrich your soul. Like, sometimes you won't feel things in the natural, like sometimes you won't physically feel it, you won't actually in our carnal nature like sense it or know it. You just have to trust that when you're in the word, that truly like this is the stream of water. You just have to know, even if you don't feel it, this is the fact that if you do this, you are being nourished. Yeah, it's not like when I'm thirsty and it's hot out and I'm dehydrated and I drink like a cold glass of water. I'm like, ah, that feels so nourishing. That's us like feeling it in our flesh. When we sit in the word, there will be times when the Holy Spirit encounters us and hits us, but there will be times when you are drinking that cold glass of water being in the word, you won't necessarily feel it. But the fact is it says here that he, the one that meditates day and night, he is like a tree planted by streams of water. Like you will be nourished, and you have to like the word is either true or it's not. And I'm choosing to believe that it is true. So if I do this, he is nourishing me, and we will yield fruit in our appointed time, in its season.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Yeah, the the point of he delights in the law and on his law he meditates day and night. Then he becomes a tree, yeah. That bears fruit in its season. Yeah. But you first have to seek God.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

And like the we don't drink water just when we're thirsty.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Some of you guys do, and you shouldn't do that. Some of you need to just walk around with a bottle of water.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

I drank too much water for too many years and now I'm over it. But but that you know, when they say like, how many times have we heard doctors or or health influencers or whatever say, if you're thirsty, you're already dehydrated.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

That's perfect.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

If you're crying to God, you've you've already, I mean, I don't know that that's the right analogy, but I want I'm do you see where I'm going with that?

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Yeah, like don't wait until you're absolutely dehydrated.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

Don't wait until you're at the rock bottom.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

Yeah. Yes. It's like what we were saying earlier, just like make sure that you're depositing into your spirit. So when you do get to that point, you know, that you have a source to pull from. And granted, like the Holy Spirit is within us, but there is something about having the word of God written on your heart that during times, what is flowing out of you? Are you remembering God's goodness? Are you remembering that he is with you? Are you remembering that um he that he hears you, that he is your strong tower, that um he'll make you like a watered garden? Like what is coming out of you when you're being squeezed in hard times?

SPEAKER_02 28:36

And so the fruit and the juice, yeah, really though.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Yeah, and I even want to talk about so the fruit that yields fruit in its season. So, in its season, it doesn't say that yields fruit all year round, it says in its season, which means only part of the time and only at the right time, and only at the appointed time. So just because you don't see fruit coming out does not mean that God is not responding. It does not mean that your prayer is not being answered. Like, stop waiting to feel it, just know it. That know what God's word says, that you will yield fruit in the right time, at the right time. Like, how many of us get discouraged when we don't feel it yet? Yeah, and we just can't wait for that, you know. Like this is the I'll use like a sports analogy, just like the the forced habits and like the forced adaptation. You have to push yourself through it, even if you don't want to, just knowing what it's gonna produce in terms of like your physique, whether it's a skill, athletic ability. Um, the like that is like a necessary thing when I think when you're an athlete is you have to do the hard thing or you'll never ever get better.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

And you don't go to the gym and then feel your muscle growing right then and there. Yeah. And then okay, next time I go, I didn't feel my muscle grow. So I'm not gonna go because my muscles aren't growing.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Yeah, you just you trust the process, you know. If I eat right, if I train hard, you're gonna grow.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Uh, Bamana told me this really cool story. I don't know if it's just like a story or if it was true, but um, in in talking about like, you know, being in the word and reading the word, and sometimes you're in there and it's like every word and every verse that you read is like alive and breathing it in your face, and you're feeling God, and then sometimes you read through things and you're like, huh? Yeah, like even if you're just reading, not it's not even just the genealogies, like or what I just feel dry in like chronicles, and it's just like talking about everybody's like um job in the tabernacle or building the the temple, and and it's just like what, who, why? But even you can read something like Ezekiel and still be like, I'm not feeling it, I'm not feeling it.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

I was just talking about that to Jordan yesterday in Matthew 7 when it talks about throwing pearls to the swine.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

And I'm like, it I no one could read that verse alone and know exactly what it means. Yeah. Oh, it would be very, very, very difficult.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Or to just like sit there by yourself and be like, pearls and swine.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

Not knowing the like like what is it called, like exegesis of it.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

And even just the recurring symbols in the Bible. Like, once you read, you know pearls, what that could represent, and what like pigs, what that could represent.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Yeah, yeah. So she told me that there was, um, she's like, okay, so there's this story about this young man and he's reading the Bible and he's not feeling it anything, and he's reading it every day, but he doesn't feel any closer to God. So he goes to his grandpa and he says, Grandpa, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'm reading, but nothing, I don't feel changed. I don't feel like anything is changing. And his grandpa goes, Okay, just do this activity with me. Take that bucket, take it down to the stream, fill it up and bring it back. And so he thinks there's like, you know, gonna be some lesson in this, like how he's carrying water or whatever. Takes a bucket, goes down to the stream, fills it up, brings it back. By the time he gets back to his grandpa, there's hardly any water in it. And so he's he's like, Well, there's there must be a hole in it or something. So he tells him, Go, okay, keep going back and keep going back. So he this this kid is going back and forth from the stream, filling up this bucket and dumping it out. And after like 10 or 11 times, however many, he tells his grandpa, like, what am I even doing this for? There's some the the bucket is broken, clearly. There's not enough water in it. It's never gonna be full when I bring it to you because something's wrong with the bucket. And grandpa goes, but look inside the bucket. Look how different the inside of the bucket looks from the first time you took it to the stream. And the bucket had been completely cleaned out because it he just kept going back to the stream to fill it up, kept going back to fill it up, and it was never full, but it was clean, it had been washed over, and every time it's powerful we read the word, it is a supernatural washing of our spirit, whether we feel it or not. That is so powerful, and it just the same way that like I don't know if everybody feels this way, but there are some mornings I get up and I'm like, the last thing I want to do is get up and get straight in the shower right now. I don't want to do it, or even sometimes right before bed. And then as soon as you get in the shower and you're like, I'm never getting out of here. I'm moving in, I live here now. That's what it ends up happening. I think at some point there's gonna be those days where you you're reading and you're like, I'll be honest, a lot of the psalms are like that for me. Yeah, it's it's too poetic sometimes, and I'm like, Where's God? Who is writing this? Who are they writing this to? And things get a little murky for me. I want to hear like the major prophets, that's where I get excited or the gospel. Yeah, but every single word is intentional, every single word is from God, and that wanting to be cleansed and washed, and that closeness and the meditating, it's not all for right now. It's just like you send Kim, it's those deposits.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

The deposits into your spirit that you can pull out when you need them.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Yeah, that is like such a powerful story. I've heard that and I forgot it. And just comes to show that even if you've heard something or you've read something before, it'll still hit you. Cause hearing that right now, it'll hit me different than when I've heard it before. Yeah. And like, what a great reminder. And just like the washing over. I'm like, I need that every single day. I mean, like, there's a lot of prayers that I pray every day too. Not so much of because I don't know, to remind God. He doesn't need reminding, but even to just wash me over and to be encouraged as I pray and remind myself of that. And there's even something about the persistence of doing something in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, in Luke, there's a parable about the persistent widow, actually, that I'm thinking about. Um in Luke 18, I'm gonna kind of skim through it. Man, actually, no, I'm just gonna read it. So Luke 18, and he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. He said, In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man. There was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, Give me justice against my adversary. For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, Though I neither fear God nor respect man, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming. Verse 6. And the Lord said, Hear what the unrighteous judge says, and will not God give justice to his elect who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth? And so I just think this is such a beautiful picture of like, yes, how you're saying, like, be washed over daily, but even something to the persistence of doing something again and again. And in this case, this is a a judge that doesn't care about really anyone. But when it comes to God, who we know to be true, who we know to be faithful, who we know to love us, he's our father in heaven.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Just all of the superlatives, all of that.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

So will he not give us the elect, the ones who are adopted into his kingdom and called daughters? How much more will he do for us? Like it says that he will um will he delay long over them? No, he'll give it to them speedily, and so just even the persistence of prayer, like how beautiful that is, the persistence of being washed over, even if nothing is happening yet, nothing you feel, you feel, because that's a lie to say nothing's happening that you feel like nothing is, but to do it so persistently and then to ask in faith with no doubt. I think it says that in James 1, to have no doubt, and I have I have zero doubts. Like God is so good, I have zero doubts about his goodness. I have Kendrick Carey, yes, buddy. Um, can you tell me the joke when we're done recording? You wanna say it on the mic? Okay, then you just have to wait, okay? We're almost done. Maybe it's quite okay. What's your joke? I'm gonna repeat it on the mic. What kind of cat?

SPEAKER_01 38:17

Lies every day.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

What kind of cat lies every day? What?

SPEAKER_01 38:21

A lion. A lion. Did you just make that up?

SPEAKER_02 38:27

You made that up? That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

That's pretty great. What kind of a cat?

SPEAKER_02 38:33

That reminds me of Burb when he was, I think, probably Kendr younger than Kendrick's age. Uh-huh. He used to like to make up jokes. And the famous one that we all remember is knock knock.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Who's there?

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Orange.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

What do you say?

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Orange, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

Orange juice squeezed in your eye. What? He thought it was so funny. It's not even a joke. I know. That's why it's funny because it's not funny at all. So your jokes are much more clever, Kendrick.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

It's it's the things that have an unexpected delivery that are like funny sometimes. Was not expecting her to say that. Okay, buddy. We're gonna finish here, okay? You can sit here or you can just I was gonna say you can sit here quiet or you can go over there, okay? Thanks. Hey.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

You look older every time I see you. Why don't you stop that?

SPEAKER_00 39:30

All right, so kind of went off on a tangent there, which is like the beautiful thing about reading the Bible is that like there's so many cross-references. Like, it's not a coincidence that when you read something, you recall another verse. Yeah, and then when you read that verse, it kind of takes you somewhere else. And I just think that it's like, I don't know, it's a a beautiful part of reading scripture. That scripture reads scripture, yes, yes, yes, and you have to.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

I think that's you know, another thing. And I I feel like I'm always on here saying, like, oh, you should, or you have to, or you blah blah blah, or you blah blah blah, or you do this or do that, but don't listen to me, don't follow me, follow Jesus, listen to your heavenly father, yeah. And the way you do that is by reading the Bible. Like, don't don't come at me. I just even recently have had somebody be like, Well, I talked to God and blah blah blah. And I'm like, You don't even read the Bible.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

Sorry, not sorry.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

How do you know? How do you know God's voice? Right, yeah. So, like on that note, don't listen to me and also don't listen to yourself. No, the heart is deceitful, you know? It's like if it is not in alignment with the word, how many times have we heard this? If what you're thinking and feeling is not in alignment with the word, it's not true. Yeah, there's one thing that's true, and that's God. Like Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. And so no matter how convicted you think you're feeling, your feelings do not validate anything. And not to dismiss feelings, right? Because emotions are real. We are human, we're living in the flesh. We still need to like nurture and care for ourselves. But in how even redefine caring for yourself, what does that what does that even mean? Like people say like self-care, like what does self-care even mean? Like go sit on the couch and watch TV and do nothing. Is that self-care? I don't know. That doesn't sound uh conducive and constructive for your spirit.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

I think self-care is alighting in the love of the Lord and on his law, meditating day and night.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

Yeah. There's nothing that cares for you more. You know, like I'm I'm laughing because it's like it almost sounds like um, wow, like you guys are just almost like someone could even say hyper-religious or whatever. But here's the thing we started in the psalm talking about delighting in the law. And I pray this, I pray this, I pray this for anyone that's listening. I pray that when you are heartbroken, that you run to the Father. I pray that, like, when you need counsel, that you find comfort in his word. Like, I genuinely pray that everyone that is listening, and even people that aren't listening, that they could get to a place in life where they genuinely delight in the law. And I am getting choked up here talking about that because like there is nothing greater. Yeah, there is nothing greater, and how beautiful is it that God went ahead of us and He gave us this these 66 books because He knew that we would need counsel and He knew that we would need to be able to go to our secret place to be able to meditate on something day and night. Like we we're like joking, but not joking, you know, like Yeah, it's fully sincere.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Yeah, yeah. We can we can laugh about the sincerity of it, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Because it's like you might think it's silly, but we're not playing, guys. Laugh a few ones.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

We're being dead serious as a heart attack, yeah. Yeah, you know, I I told this um at the beginning how I was with my friends over the weekend who I've been friends with for years, and I don't get to see all that often because we live in different states and just like life happens, but I was with um my friend and her husband prior to the proposal. Yeah, and we like we're driving around, we got dinner, we were Trying to stay a we since we were going to be surprising Rachel, we were like something like a mile away from where she was, and weren't I'm not even supposed to be in the state. Yeah, Morgan's not supposed to be anywhere near there either. Yeah, so we were trying to, I'm like watching her location, trying to find somewhere to go that was far from her. And so we're driving around looking for things. I have no idea what I said. I didn't say anything intentional. I didn't say anything um with an agenda. I'm just talking. And this is to this in no way is about giving myself any sort of glory or puff up at all, at all. But we're like driving around, and my friend's husband, who I've known equally as long, yeah, says, Wow, you really love Jesus. And I was like, Yeah, I do. And then I laughed because he hadn't seen my cell phone, and my cell phone case literally says I love Jesus. And I laughed and I was like, it even says so on my cell phone case. But I don't even know what I said or what I did. And then he and he said that. And I don't think he even meant it as like, I mean, it wasn't a dig. I don't think he meant it as a compliment, but I felt like the biggest compliment. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

I was like, I was just gonna say, like, what a compliment that is, truly.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Yes, like not because I'm doing anything manufactured, but just like you're just being new, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

Just living. And I hope my pores ooze Jesus for someone to be like, wow, you really love Jesus, you know, without again even saying anything. I think that is I don't know, just like a that should be a goal. Like we should live in a way without you even saying anything that people would know that you love Jesus. It's honestly sometimes I meet someone, I'm like, they're probably Christian.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

Yeah, you can almost feel the Holy Spirit on somebody, or you a hundred percent can.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

Yeah, I think that's discernment, you know?

SPEAKER_02 46:19

Yeah, excuse me. I will sometimes there there was um, I think a season of Top Chef that Frankie and I were watching, and I'm we're like, we like this lady, we like her. We're not really sure what we like about her. And then I I one of us, I'm not gonna take the credit, one of us said, like, that woman's got the spirit, like that woman has the Holy Spirit in her.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

And then later on, she started talking about Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

Like you could tell on TV before she even said anything. That's amazing. You know, you saying that, I'm being reminded of just a not a revelation, but God revealing to me that although everyone that I know knows I love Jesus, everyone that I know knows that it's like not a secret. But I will admit there are times either when I'm in like a very comfortable space or maybe even just being out and about. I don't know if that's consistently apparent. And I really got convicted in the last couple weeks of like where where is your joy? Where is that fruit of the spirit? You know, like, and not to your point to have to manufacture it, but like, where is that? Yeah, like why are you uh walking around like there's so much weight on you? Yeah, and I really got convicted, and I think this is only a God thing because a lot of times you really do have to like manufacture or force things, like they say, fake it till you make it. But I feel like in God's insane, immeasurable amount of mercy and grace that He gives us generously, that He took it away by just letting me by revealing that to me, and by even revealing it, that it just like honestly, I felt like it lifted. And and this is why, too, we have to read, because what does Galatians say that the fruit of the spirit is? And so you have to be able to like, I think that was part of the the realization, you know, is like what are the fruits of the spirit? And even like, um, what does the Bible say that love is? And and being able with the help of the Holy Spirit to catch that and not to correct it by forcing it, but allowing the Holy Spirit to walk you in the other way and choosing to walk in sync and step with the spirit as he leads. And so I feel like one of my, I was telling Jordan this last night, one of my favorite, I think, attributes, if you want to call it that, or even name of God is advocate. Yeah, like oh I just love that he's our advocate. I just love that he speaks for us, I love that he defends us, I love that he intercedes for us, and I love that he helps us.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

How cool is it that the creator of the universe go outside and look at the sky right now. If you're driving, you can already see it. The sky, yeah, he put it there, yeah, and then he put you here.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

Yeah, yeah. The God that holds all of creation in the palm of his hands, he advocates for you. So nothing could stand in the way of his purpose and will, nothing, nothing, no nothing, no feeling, no lie, no manipulation, no deceit, no whisper from the enemy could get in the way and separate you from what God's will and his power and authority holds. It's just not possible. So, with that being said, the end of verse three, it says, and its leaf does not wither. And all that he does, he prospers. So long as you are connected to him, your leaf will not wither. No matter how tired you are, no matter how parched and fruitless you feel, it doesn't matter. Your leaf will not wither. Like the life that is pouring into the core of your being will sustain and nourish you.

SPEAKER_02 50:48

You're never a dead tree.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Yeah. How cool.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

You a second ago talking about like where's your joy?

SPEAKER_00 50:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

Made me think of um Psalm 51, yeah. Restore to me the joy of your salvation and uphold me with a willing spirit. Yeah. Like what I find that as a prayer point to myself all the time. Like, restore to me the joy of your salvation, the joy of your salvation. I saw just like offhand, saw I think like an Instagram reel of a woman yesterday saying, Every day I wake up like I was born again, like I had just found new salvation. And I was like, man, the faith of that woman. Like, thank you, Jesus. Like, I I don't I don't wake up like that every morning, just excited that like, hello, Jesus has saved you, that type of like joy from that you get once you receive salvation.

SPEAKER_00 51:49

It's it's just the way that we take like everything for granted, and not that you took anything for granted, but it was I and I would say that you were full of joy, but just the way that that was highlighted to you and something you wanted to think about, and it just and like internally, yeah, like internally feeling that and like believing that and like and yeah, actually even feeling it, you know. But like I think that's why too, meditating day and night, meditating day on and and night on even God's attributes and like what you carry within you, that's what helps keep. I don't even know, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

Like, I think we should do a whole episode on this.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

Yeah, I'll be down. Cause I really I have no explanation. I didn't do, I didn't do, I didn't go and do a bunch of things.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

We never do, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:42

Even though nothing to do with it. Like, I and this in particular, I'm like, I didn't do anything, but I'm like, his his joy, like his salvation, like his joy is actually sustaining me. Yeah. And I don't know. I'm just I'm in a season of like be still and surrender, just has like a like literally, we know what surrender means by definition. But I think experiencing it spiritually, God has to walk you through that. Because it is very hard when you are a doer to say that you know what it means to surrender. That means even like doing things in secret, not to be secretive, but doing things where no one knows and just knowing God is doing it, and there's no other outside influence that's gonna do it. I just know it's the Lord. Yes, and that's it.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Yes. And there this is, I think, like why most things with with God are both and or yes and because there's the like we were saying, I don't even think this was for being recorded, this like be this hands-off mentality, yeah. Which for people who are doers are natural, like um results driven or outcomes driven. You want to do things for a result or for an outcome, and not necessarily to manipulate, but because you don't want to be lazy, right? So this being hands-off could be perceived as like self-perceived as as laziness, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Right.

SPEAKER_02 54:21

But there and there is like there is a time when people are lazy, you're not prone to laziness, so that's an easy catch, but like sometimes people do just like don't get up off the couch, don't meditate on the word every day. I lost my train at that.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Well, I like where you're going with that. Cause I think this is as you were talking, I'm like, this is the first time where I've connected surrender with meekness.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Because if meekness is strength under control, by choosing to be meek and really not doing, you have to have such a deep level of surrender with that to surrender and just to be meek and to let God move. And not it being laziness, it's actually strength under control. Yeah. When you don't do on your own volition, but just trusting God to do it.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Yeah, that's so good. That um I think there's I do this all the time too. I'm always trying to like impact the outcome. Where's like, who am I?

SPEAKER_00 55:31

I know.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Who am I? Just pray.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

And there's a time and a place where God will tell us to go do, God will tell us to go walk, God will tell us to go get your hands dirty, you know?

SPEAKER_02 55:43

Packed on, yeah. But again, but then back to staying rooted because you have to know his voice. Yeah. Because or you're being manipulated.

SPEAKER_00 55:52

Right, right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

And then you're like, thus say it the Lord. Right. When the Lord never say it had not he not say it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:05

Um, gosh.

SPEAKER_02 56:08

I missed this. This was so good. This was great. We needed that little bit of break.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

I think so too.

SPEAKER_02 56:13

And on the Sabbath, he rested.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

Yeah. And we will never, I mean, I think we'll keep each other accountable for this. But this podcast, again, is this is very much a bonus thing. Like, this is not anchoring us in any way. We very much enjoy it, but like it is nothing for us to be like, okay, we're not doing it for one week. Like, that is not gonna affect us in any way because it doesn't control us, you know.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

Well, it doesn't um I mean, like, we really do this because we like to talk about all the things of God.

SPEAKER_00 56:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:49

And we like to share those things. Right. Right. And I think, I mean, that is the priceless.

SPEAKER_00 56:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

Truly priceless to me.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

But it is, like you said, it's not it's not our livelihood. Yeah. We don't do this to be able to do it. We don't rely on it to make money. We don't do this to feed our families. Right. We do this to feed our souls and hopefully.

SPEAKER_00 57:17

Yeah, spread some seeds, which is like our heart's desire. Um, any last thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 57:25

This was just great.

SPEAKER_00 57:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:27

There was a lot, a lot here. Um I think I don't have anything like articulate to say. I think that just your the way you're thinking, the way you thought through this has um blessed me. It ministered to me a lot.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

I'm happy to hear that and like not just to be like, oh, glory to God, but I mean, like, truly, I feel like this is just like the Holy Spirit giving me breadcumbs of just revealing different things to me and just for myself learning to like slow down and just to like ease up a little bit. Like, I feel like I'm hearing them in different ways, and I'm super grateful because there's so much more.

SPEAKER_02 58:15

There always is. We're never so much more. We're never done. I said never dumb. We're always dumb. We're never done.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

Yeah. And just like um so grateful that God again doesn't leave us where we are, that God is always speaking, we're always learning, he's always wanting to like reveal more to us. He's always wanting to, he's always wanting to bless us.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

I I think that's it. Like all he wants is us.

SPEAKER_00 58:46

Yeah. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

And our proximity to him is wholly based on us. He's always there, ready and willing. Like delights in blessing us. We're the apple of his eye. He created us that part for so many specific specific reasons.

SPEAKER_00 59:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

And if that doesn't just like kick you in the butt, I don't know what does.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Uh something I've been thinking too is there is this like a worship set that I've been listening to just on repeat. But one of the things that he says is like, I'm not here for blessings. Jesus, you don't owe me anything.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

Yeah. Are you kidding me? Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

Like, we don't do this. We I don't pray for blessing. I mean, I thank you, Lord Jesus, you bless me because that is who you are. But to be in your presence, I just want to be in your presence. Like, that is everything. Like that is the ultimate blessing.

SPEAKER_02 59:44

You know, yeah, that is it.

SPEAKER_00 59:45

So it's like I'm not here just seeking you to like give me things. Like, I'm not here for blessings for you to just give me. We just don't owe me anything. We just want you.

SPEAKER_02 59:55

So that's great for Touch of Heaven, like the song says.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's that's a great song. All right, I'll close this out in prayer and we'll wrap it up. Thank you, Heavenly Father. Thank you, Jesus. Lord Jesus, we just thank you for your presence, Father. We thank you for the grace that you so freely give us, Lord. I thank you for your presence and everything that just comes from sitting in your presence, Lord. I thank you for the truth that you revealed to us. I thank you that you don't leave us where we are, Lord, that you are so faithful. Who are we that we are on your mind, Father God? Who are we, Lord, that you owe us nothing, yet you give us everything. And so we just thank you, Father. We thank you for um your word. I thank you for the body of Christ. I even thank you for um your promises and your word, Lord, that you are you are one to be righteous and true and consistent, Lord. We cling to those promises. We cling to your law and your commandments. I thank you, Father God, that your word that it covers us, that you are a strong tower, Lord, that we are safe with you. And not just safe, Lord, but that when we are planted, Lord, that you nourish us as we are planted by you, Father God, that we are nourished, that you um that there's just an abundance and an overflow. Thank you, Lord. We are nothing without you. And so we praise you. And I just pray for each person that's listening that you would draw them near you, that their hearts would grow on fire for you, that a hunger would grow that is insatiable. And I just even pray, Lord, that you will continue to give increase with those deposits that have been already made. And we thank you for those that have had such supernatural encounters, Father God. And we are believing in more. We are believing in the advancement of your kingdom, Lord, because your purpose will always prevail. And so we thank you. We thank you that your mercies are new every single day, Lord. Thank you for loving us and all these things we pray in Jesus' name. Jesus' name. Amen.

unknown 1:01:54

Amen.