Episode 29: It Was Meant To Break You But It Made You

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey y'all, welcome to Jess Guys Podcast. I'm Jay. And this is Katina. How y'all doing? We missed y'all. Look, we almost out of May, y'all. Oh my gosh. It's over. It is over. So whatever you didn't do about the make flowers and all that stuff, you better go and figure it out. Because baby, it is over. Yes, Jim was right around the corner. Alright, y'all. So we're gonna get into it today. The topic, it was meant to break you, but it made you. Oh my. That's gonna be deep. Marinate on that. Yeah. It was meant to break you, but it made you. And if you want to you want that thing to be personal, it was meant to break me, but it made me. That's right, that's good. I like it. I like it. All right, Tina. So let's get into it. Let's go. If you had a birthday, if you had a birthday, if you had a birthday, happy birthday. Happy, happy, happy birthday. Happy birthday to you. God bless you. Give you many, many more.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Yes, indeed. Happy birthday.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Okay, Tina. What's your mood today? Because you got to check in with your people. You gotta check in. You gotta see how they're feeling, how they're living, what they got going on.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, Jay, I'm gonna say that my mood today is um I am I'm open to I'm open to hearing whatever it is that the Lord is speaking right now. I don't know how to place that as a mood. I like I don't know how to just to describe that as a mood, besides to say that right now my ears um are wide open, you know, to the Holy Spirit, like to hear what God is trying to say, especially with so much going on. And my eyes are open to see things beyond what's actually in front of our face, especially with um so much controversy. And we talk about this stuff, you know, that's going on within the world or whatever. But beyond that, to me, it's not even it's even deeper than that. It's the controversy that goes on just between believers. That, you know, so my mood right now is I'm on alert. I am on alert.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

So you so you stand ready so you ain't got to get it. That's it. That's it all day. All day. You should have just said that. Well, y'all, my mood, I feel I feel good. I I feel very excited. I feel accomplished. Um we had have had some major things taking place and happening, and so I feel very accomplished and I feel optimistic for um for everything that's to come. Amen. And I am looking in every area of my life and expecting great things and expecting um those things that you know God has said to come forth. Come on. And so, and I'm looking forward in every area of my life. So, um, yeah. That's that's uh that's how I feel, that's where I am. So I think you put it all together, baby. We about to just blow up. Say that. Yes, y'all. Okay. So it's your favorite, it's my favorite, it's your favorite, it's my favorite, it's my dog's favorite, it's my nephew's favorite, it's everybody's favorite. W W Y D, what would you do? This is the opportunity where you get to jump in on this podcast. You get to write in, you get to say, hey, talk about this. Right. Or hey, I need some advice about this. Yes. All you gotta do is send an email justcaz8s at gmail.com. Wait, just cause 80s at gmail.com. We got a little tongue twist.

SPEAKER_03 3:51

You had it right, you had it right.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Or either you can on all these socials where we are. Y'all know we live on the socials, um, you can send us a message and we will talk about it. We will give you our advice. We pray that it's edifying. Yes, because baby never knows coming out of my mouth. All right. So we appreciate the engagement too, you know. Yes, engage. It is picking up getting those comments, get in those comments. All right, guys. This is from Selena. Hey, Selena. Oh, I want to call you Selena. Okay. Selena says, Hey ladies, I absolutely love your podcast. I am a mother and a teacher in the public school system. Okay. I understand as a parent advocating for your child if there's a problem or issue that your child is innocent in. However, many parents believe their child can do no wrong. And no matter the facts or evidence, they believe their child is always right. Can we talk about this taboo? That's facts. That's facts. Selena, because you just brace yourself, because I used to teach in the public school system. So, girl, I was in the start for a little bit. And I'm not a parent, but let's go.

SPEAKER_02 5:15

Um Girl, I'm a parent, and I still know what it's like in that school system.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

I'm not a parent, but I have worked in that school system and I and I have experienced parents that felt like no matter what, my child is innocent, no matter what, you're not gonna accuse my child of doing something that I know that they didn't do because they don't do it at home. Well, baby, guess what? They turn into a whole nother Tasmanian when they were outside of your sight. Right. And so um for me, and when I think about this, Selena, parents have to be cognitive and take every piece of evidence, um, like you said, um every piece of fact that is placed out there and say, okay, let me process this. And process it based on what you know about your child already. Because you know the good and the bad, you know the indifferent, you know the sneakiness, you know that your child is not always innocent. And when and when facts and stuff are stacked against them, let's think about it from a um from a situation of law. If facts and stuff are stacked against them and it's evidence, do you think you're gonna tell the policeman, I know my child? No.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

You gonna go down, you're gonna go downtown and try to get your child up. It's already too late. It's too late. And that's and that's another thing is that children have to respect authority. That point. If you are in school, I don't care if you're in elementary school, all the way to high school, all the way to college. Yes, you're an adult, but you there are still people that have authority over you. And so the thing about it is you have to respect authority and respect those that have the rule over you. That's right. And when you and when you lead with that respect, then you gain respect. That's right. No one is going, no one that has authority over you is going to um is going to lead with um, I don't want to say this the wrong way, but no one that has authority over you is going to lead with you as an looking at you as an authoritative over them. They're not gonna lead that way because they are the ones that's in that position. You are subordinate to them, and so you have to conform. You have to, you have to um make sure you're following rules, you have to make sure you're following regulations. You have, even though you might not want to, oh well, welcome to the real world. There's a lot of things that we do as adults that we don't want to do, but we have to do it because we have to follow rules, law, and regulations.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Come on, and that is exactly why we have so much that's going on out here because oh, it's okay. You know, little Jimmy, he didn't mean that, and it was cute. It was cute when he was small. But let me tell you something about that stuff that they do when they small. They grow up and they keep doing that stuff, and then it's not cute anymore. Well, everything that Jay says, I she said, I agree with totally. And the reason I can agree with it is because I'm like her. Okay, so I've been in the um, you know, in the schooling system on the head start side. And this is when the babies are small, and this is when they're learning. We, as parents, are supposed to teach the children. It's our responsibility. The teachers also they teach the children. And it's hard for a teacher to teach the child to teach the child right from wrong when there's opposite that's being told to them in the household. Yeah. That it's okay. We, like Jay said, we have rules and consequences. When you get in school, that's the first thing you learn. You for you learn on the first day of school, you learn the rules and you learn the consequences. That's something, by the grace of God, that's never changed. That's something that's never changed. That's what you learn on the first day of school when you, you know, when you first enter into school, whatnot. You gotta know how the classroom runs. You gotta know how um how everything is structured throughout the school. So we learn how to follow orders. Okay, so if we just because, and I'm a parent too, so I get it. But this this is the other part. It's because I'm a parent, I know my kid. I know my kid. Okay, I know that you know, my kid, when they're tired, they start doing X, Y, and Z, and I'm like, oh no, you need to take a nap. Yeah, you need to take a nap, like you tripping. I know my kid. So for us to sit and to pretend as parents as if and to brush things off, we want to brush it off because, well, that kid shouldn't have done this to that. Yeah, and this is true, but that is how kids learn to respect authority and they respect the structure of things, and they know, okay, I'm supposed to go to the teacher. Yeah, and allow the teacher to try to help them to figure out things, and this is how they begin to learn, and they learn how to make good decisions. Yes, okay, if another child has done something to your kid, I know the first thing you want to do is if somebody hits you, you hit them back. Okay, that's the first thing that we want to say as parents. Well, don't we need to find, don't we need to um at least utilize the first step where we alert somebody that's an adult to let them know so that your child doesn't get in trouble because they actually defended themselves. They defended themselves because they were hit, but they didn't say anything. So now you are, now you are um a like you ate to the um, what do you call it, abated to the um to the crime. Aiding in abiding. And you're aiding abiding to the crime because you didn't say anything. You should have said something. Had you said something first and then you defended yourself, okay, now we have a little bit of order and a little bit of structure.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

And the thing about it too, Tina, is why do we always say give the same give the same violence back or do the same thing back? And we and we don't live like that with the right. And we don't, and we don't push conflict resolution. Right. That's right. Because then you get adults that are like, no, I'm gonna put my hands on you before I work through this problem or this situation. And then even in the court system, they have mediation. That's right. And so, so if you're teaching children and it starts, like you said, in in Head Start, it starts very young where you're teaching them how to process and work through their issues and their problems and deal with their emotions in an amicable way, right? So that they're making good decisions. That's good. Because if we are teaching them how to make good decisions that early, and maybe they don't get it to middle school or high school or whatever, but the fact that it's being taught to them, they eventually get it, they eventually get it, and then you produce better adults than what we have right now, than maybe their parents, that's good, better than their parents. Yeah, because we have a lot of parents that are that are putting themselves in bad situations because you're defending the wrong that your child is doing. Right, right. Like, how are you gonna do that?

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Right, and how is it, and not only that, but I mean you make a point with that because some of the kids are more mature because they hear the rules and they follow them and they learn that this is what you're supposed to do. They go to school, they get structured, they follow the rules, but because that's not what's taught at home, they watch as their parents make bad decisions. They see this stuff in their household, and then the kids, but the kids, because they have they've been blessed and graced by God, and they make better decisions than the parents.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Yeah, and the other part too, Tina, because like this is real touchy for me. But the other part about that too is that you have these teachers and teachers, we love y'all. We you you are you don't get the respect that you need, we do, you don't get the pay that you deserve. That's right. You are not kidding, you are not celebrated the way that you should be. Right. Because these children stay with you 10 months out of the year, and if they go year-round, that's a whole nother situation. So you are working all this time to help these children become stellar adults, okay? Right, better people for humanity, right? Right? But you gotta undo everything that's done when they go home every day. What a shame. What a shame.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

You gotta undo it when they get back to you. Right. So every day it's the same thing. And we we try to figure out why these kids keep having the same patterns. Every day little Johnny comes home and he got red. Every day little Johnny comes home and you know, and he's got a two. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Every day is something. Well, every day is something because he has to be retaught every single day because there's not structure that's conforming from the schoolhouse into your house. So it it requires that we do these things. And listen, this is not, this is not advice or um information that's being spoken um against parents in general or to say that every teacher is perfect. We're not saying we're talking about we're talking about this in general, where you know that the teacher is good, you know that you can trust this teacher.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

Instead of going in with mean mug every single day, like ready, like I want her to say something. I want sometimes we need to, we need to learn to control our own emotions and put our own selves in check instead of always having a scenario already set up in mind. You already, you know, you already on eight, just waiting for somebody to press the button so you can hit 10, so you can say to this teacher, because you ain't gonna tell me, you ain't gonna tell me about my kid. Well, listen, have an ear to listen to hear what it is that the teacher is trying to tell you because this might be something that will help you down the line. And if one teacher is telling you, and if we are beyond preschool age, head start age, and you've heard it in preschool, head start, and then also now they're going into first grade or kindergarten, first grade, and you still keep hearing the same thing and it's repetitive, yeah, that's something for you to take into um to context. That's something for you to think about.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

You know, so sometimes and something for you to address at dress like it's we have to help the teachers out. Yeah. Um, because they are with your child for the amount of time that they're with your child during the daytime, and then they send them home to you. That's right. And you will probably let them do whatever it is that they want to. Right. They probably stay on the game for all their life. Right. Or whatever else the case is. What else are they doing? Yes, and so there is no structure. There is there's structure at school, but when there's home, there is no structure. Right. And so then the next day they go back to school and they gotta, like you said, reconform and try to get back into the mindset of having structure. If the structure continued outside of school, then you would have a better student. Exactly. And and they would make better choices. That's right. Right? That's right. And so, um, so Selena, I feel you, I understand it. And like Katina said, there is not there we are not saying all teachers are perfect because people are people and they and they spill their ideologies and everything else over into their work. And that's not okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

But you know something? But you can gauge that, you can gauge that once you take the time to get to know the teacher. If you are an involved parent and you get to know that teacher, you will know if that that person, if they are fit for the job, if they are a good person and they actually have concern and care for your child. If you take that time and you get to know that teacher, they're gonna pour that back into, they will pour that back into your child. And that's only good for you, that's only an advantage for you because because now, okay, little Johnny is struggling, but mom is good. Mom is good, so I'm gonna try to help mom out as much as I can. And I'm gonna take up the time that it is needed and that's necessary for me to help little Johnny. And this can help them all throughout their course of life, throughout school, and when they graduate, because they start to learn how to, they start to learn how to um um trust. Yeah, they the kids will start to learn how to trust because they learn how to build relationships, because they learn that from the parents.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

All this stuff, yeah, it all starts together. It's yeah, and it starts at home and it works together with you know when they're at school, because when they're at school, that's their job, right? And so um the big thing about it is if you have gotten to this point, because we almost in June, guys, if you gotten to this point and you don't know who your child's teacher is, come on.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

What are you doing? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Yes, you can't tell us. You cannot tell us what the teacher's name is. You can't tell us what the teacher looked like. You can't tell me. But one or two meetings.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

If you went to one or two, come on, get you gotta get involved. The more involved you are as a parent, the less you have to worry about these type of issues. Get engaged. Because those the the teachers, if they know you're an involved parent, they ain't gonna try you. Yeah, they're not gonna try you. They're gonna come to you with the truth. So that's that's it right there. That's it, Selena.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Look, we we hope we helped you. We hope we said something that was edifying, and more than anything, we hope your parents that's to them kids in your classroom was listening. Yes. All righty, y'all. Let's move right along, honey. So we're going to this meet, we went to this meat and potatoes. It was made to break you. It was meant, excuse me. It was meant to break you, but it made you. Wow. When I think about that, Tina, because y'all know Tina always tells me to go first. Um when I think about that, Tina, I think about so many different situations, um, instances, um, so many different events in my life that the enemy tried to use them to break me. Or use it to break me. And if it was not for the help of the Lord, if it not, if it was not for praying, if it was not for, and I'm not, I'm not talking about putting your hands together and saying, Lord, help me Jesus. No, I'm talking about laying on the floor, laying on your face. Right. Like, God, what is this? Help me through this. I don't understand this. I am pouring out. I am doing all that I can. I am leading in love. I am I am coming and arriving the way that I'm supposed to arrive in this situation. But my God, why is this attacking and and hurting and trying to destroy me? Like, how many of us have been at a point to where we're like, God, why is this trying to destroy me? Why is this trying to take me out? Why is this man or this woman trying to destroy me? Right? Why is this child? Why it can be anything, anything. Anyone trying to destroy me, and you have to go before your father, and you have to talk to your father, and you have to say, help me to process this, help me to understand this so that I so that I see the exit, so that I see the way out. And then God turns around and does what? Makes you over.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

Oh, ain't that beautiful? Ain't that beautiful?

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Makes you over again so that what the enemy thought that he meant for your bad, God will turn around for your good. And then he will also get the glory out of your life and out of the whole situation. Because if you obey him, if you listen to him, if you are obedient, because how many times have Tina said, as she said all the time, obedience is better than sacrifice. So if you obey him, then he helps God and lead you out of this brokenness. When you look up, you realize you're not even broken anymore. You realize God has put the pieces back together again and has made you new. Oh God, sometimes you don't even see the cracks of it. You don't see the scars of it. You don't see anything that even is a reminder of what you went through. That's good. How beautiful is that? Talk about beauty for ashes. How beautiful is that that the Lord will turn your broken situation around and make you whole again so that you can in turn help somebody else pick up the pieces.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

That's exactly what I was gonna say. Beauty for ashes. Beauty for ashes. You never know. We see people like before us, and we look at them and they're they're they're smiling, they're full of joy, they have an accountenance that will just light up the earth, and yet we do not know the hell and the chaos that is going on in their life or that they have even been through. Yes. And maybe they're finally reaching their season of blessing, and they're finally reaching their season of glory. And sometimes people are still even going through and they still look good. They still look new because the Lord has this way of allowing us to see what He would have us to see. Beauty for Ashes. Oh my gosh, you you're looking like everything in the inside is just all tore up. Everything is going wrong. Like what would be right won't go right. Right. One plus one doesn't equal two. You know, everything that would be opposite. Everything that you would think to be would be absolutely opposite. Beautiful ashes. But look, this you said something that was important. You talked about the the spirit, the the attacker that has uh a spirit to break others.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

That right there, it's that part right there. That part right there. People come after people, and and this is the thing. Misery loves company. If they're miserable, they want to try to bring down somebody else that's miserable. Right. And if they live in a, and some people will try to bring others down because they live a certain kind of way. They're angry because they see other people progressing or they see, you know, that they have changed. They're not the person that they used to be. And they're angry because they're still that same sour, wicked spirited person that they always have been, but they see this change on this other person. So what did they do? Or they see an innocent spirit. Yeah. So what do they do? They try to break your spirit.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

That's that's number one, it's dangerous. It's dangerous. We have to be on the lookout for people that are like that, and and we can't always be um open to taking advice from just anybody because some people are some people are um they are planted devices of destruction. Yes. They come silently. Oh, planted destruction. They come devices of destruction silently. As if it's all, you know, it's all um cookies and giggles and you know, ice cream and cake. They come silently and they come with a smile on their face, but all the while, what they're trying to do is get like just to fit into a place to where they can plant this device of destruction. And eventually you start to see the change. Yeah. Like you start to see that thing turn into what it really is because Satan can't hide his face for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

He can't do it for long.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

He can't do it for long. He's gonna reveal it. Who he is, yeah. Who he is? He's gotta show it. He can't, he can't even keep hold his own secret. So if he can't hold his own secret, so so you start to see the change because of the patterns. And see, that's one thing being spiritual that you must pay attention to is patterns. If you know people that speak, you know, that speak to you prophetically, um, that have giftings of that sort. One thing that you will know about those people is that they recognize patterns, they recognize patterns and they pick up on things. And that is truly important when you're trying to lead a life that's fully pleasing to Christ. But nevertheless, they have these patterns, and these patterns start to grow from good to bad to wicked. Yeah. Start paying attention to the intent in which things that people are saying. Listen to the intent because hear what it is that they're saying behind the words of what it is that they've spoken. They might be saying to you, Oh, look, don't you look like look nice, but with a look on their face, or with a uh, you know, they kind of um scowl or or you know, or whatever, or they kind of get a little um um snicker in what they say. We have to pay attention to those mannerisms and those type of things because eventually they're coming in for the keel. And when they come in for the keel, it is meant to completely destroy you because they built up a trust factor in which they thought that was a trust factor. They thought it was something that was a trust factor. And if we're not if we're not um mindful of that and we are so open, then when they do come in, it breaks us.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Yeah, and it's so damaging because we're talking about people that are in leadership. Yes, yes, yes. How do how do you combat that? How do you handle that? How how do you especially if if it's in your church or if it's if it's where you worship or whatever the case is, and there there is a um a trust that you have for these these chosen individuals. That's why we have to have a relationship with Christ. Yeah, and that that's what I was gonna say. Yes. Because I was gonna say you gotta trust for these people, um, they're your confidant at times, you go for counsel, and you know, there's this thing called manipulation.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

That's right. Say that.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Because if you in that place and you misuse what what God has placed you in to do for the people, and then you use that as advantage for you or for manipulation, for you to manipulate and achieve what it is that you want to achieve or get the person to do, whatever it is that you want them to do, that is not of God. And that and you said something. That's why it's important that you have a relationship with God because we are not to trust any man. That's right. It's different if you say I trust the God in you.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

That's good. That's different.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

It's different if you say I trust the God in you. But I love you, Tina. But I can't say, Tina, I trust you. That's right. I trust God.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Trust what God says. That's right. Trust the truth. Yes. We have to trust the truth. It we get so caught up in emotions and feelings, and because it's family and because it's friends, and because I like you, and because it's the pastor, and because, like all these becausees. We have all these because's, and these because are a lot of excuses to keep us from having the true relationship that we should have with Christ, so that we build on a good foundation, so that we we can negate anything when it comes to this being broken, you know, being broken or being destroyed by an attack from the outside, an attack from the enemy. But like we were saying before, but God has a way that if we do this thing the right way and we have the relationship and we put our trust in God, that we put our trust in God, not in man. But if we have that relationship, God will give us beauty for ashes. He will, he has a way. And and sometimes, okay, so let's turn the tables a little bit. So suppose that, suppose that the um the objective is not to break someone, but to correct someone. And sometimes people take that the wrong way. Correction and being um and some someone trying to correct you and someone breaking your spirit, that's two totally different things. Two different things. That's two totally different things. Yeah. You went in with an objective of abuse when you went to break the spirit. But when you went in with correction, you went with love, like saying, Hey, listen. Come on, team. Listen, this, this right here, this is all the only thing I can tell you is this is what the word says, and what and what I see here, this does not align. And I'm just telling you because you know, the Lord, if the Lord told you this to say it, or if the Lord told you to pray, or whatever the case might be, but it comes through love and it comes through compassion. It does not come through bullying, it does not come through manipulation, it does not come because, oh, I got so many, so many years in ministry that I can tell you because I see you as a younger person, or because I think I know you because I knew you from back in the day. It doesn't come through those type things, it comes through the spirit of Christ and it comes through his compassion and it comes through his love. And that is how that is how we get the beauty for the ashes.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

And God gets the glory. Yes, and we're trying this, and that's the essence of trying the spirit by the spirit. That's it. If you try the spirit by the spirit, your spirit, let me tell you something. When the Holy Ghost lives in you, it will raise up a standard every time. Yes, it will. There have been times, and I we have talked about this before, that people have gone to pray for me, and my spirit has acted a fool. Like, no, halt, get away, move back, don't do it. And I have said, mm-mm, I'm good. Because at the end of the day, I'm gonna listen to God to um Jesus that lives in me. And for whatever reason, you don't need to pray for me. Or for whatever reason, I don't need to be here at this point in time because there have been times that that was the spirit has told me to leave.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

And I have left. The Holy Spirit will guide you. That is our teacher. The Holy Spirit is our teacher, he is our guide, he is our conviction. When he brings about the conviction, it's real. It's real. And that's where the change comes from. But see, men get so caught up in their emotion and in their um their thoughts and their agendas and what they think is right. Because for whatever reason, they think it's right, you know, yeah, but the Holy Spirit works differently. All we're supposed to do is speak the word and then let the Holy Spirit do the rest. That's that's all we're supposed to do when it comes to correction.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Speak the word and let um and let the Lord do the teaching. And that's it.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Let's yeah. Because if the Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is the teacher, then what can man do beyond opening their mouth to speak? We can't give understanding to a person.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

No, we sure cannot.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

Understanding has to come from Christ, and it has to come through the Holy Spirit. It's the same thing as interpretation. We cannot give interpretation, we cannot give the proper interpretation. The interpretation, okay, let me make sure that I I word this correctly. Interpretation comes from the Holy Spirit. That is where interpretation comes from. It does not come from. Well, I say it's like this because I believe this, and I believe that, and I did this research because, see, we be throwing some stuff on top of what the Bible says, and the Bible says that we shouldn't add anything else to it. We shouldn't take from it and we shouldn't add anything to it. And a lot of times we go into doing our quote unquote little research and we start adding things on top of what the what the Bible says, and that is not the problem, and and that's how we get misled and we get misguided. The Holy Spirit says that he is our teacher and he is our interpreter, he is the one that will give us revelation. Okay. Example, if you don't know how to do something, or if you don't understand something, all you got to do is go to God and pray. If you go to God and you pray, you ask him for revelation because his word says, Seek me and you will find me, knocking the door shall be open. And if we ask him for wisdom, that he would give us wisdom. So if we don't have understanding of something, and all we have to do is ask the Lord to give us understanding. He gives us that understanding. And once he gives us that understanding, it's true and it's meaningful. It's truth. It's truth, it's not a myth, it's not mixed up, it's not fiction, it's not a lie, it's complete and total truth, which is what we are supposed to seek out. So this is why I say the interpretation has to come from the Holy Spirit. It can't be because, oh, I'm gonna take the definition of this and place it upon this. Because the things of the Spirit are deep, they are not surface. So what we might see, or we might see this just written across the pages of a book, may mean something way different because if it were not like that, Jesus would not, he spoke in parables.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Yeah, we have to have revelation. Revelation. Like we have to get revelation and get understanding. And the thing about it is we formulate our own thoughts, we do, and our own perspective about things, and we never see far enough to get the truth and the essence of things. And if we look, if we research, if we dig, that's it, we're gonna get the truth. That's it. That's it. And all you're getting, get understanding. That's it, that part. Get understanding. That part. So if if I am, I don't even know if I need to say this. If I am sitting under someone, and I am at Bible study after Bible study after Bible study, but I don't get any understanding, there's a problem. Something is missing, something is wrong.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

There's a problem. And I'm not saying that the problem is with the teacher. Like, let me be clear. But there's a problem if if there's a disconnect. There's a disconnect. There's a disconnect.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

And and that's important that we be honest with ourselves and we say, okay, no, like I'm not getting it, Lord. I need you to reveal this to me. I need you to show this to me. I need you to help me. I need you to, um, I can't, I can't understand it in these terms. I might not can't even understand it when I read it. Thou art is like I don't I may not get it.

unknown 36:37

Right?

SPEAKER_01 36:39

Y'all, I might need a Tina to be like at Homeboy was like, and then Homeboy said, like, you know, I might need that. Oh, well, I'm gonna break it down the way I can understand. Baby, Tina comes through there at Homeboy, and then they say, and like every time, y'all. And so my thing is however you get it, get it. That's it. Right? That's it. Because this is this is your lifeline, okay? Because we have talked about this before. There, God is not the creator of religion. God is the God is truth, right? Jesus is truth, right? So if God is truth, God wants us to be one. He wants us to be one church, one body. So you gotta get understanding. Because what if you are over here and something else, or you grew up here in this and you grew up here in that, but the Lord taps you on your shoulder and says, uh-uh, baby, look at this.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

The truth. Let me show you this. Let me lead you and guide you here. Because maybe you said, I need to know what the truth is. I don't understand this. I feel like it's more. How many of us have felt like, oh my God, I know that there is more? There is more than what I have learned as a child. There is more than what I have sat and just listened to because this person said this and this person said that. Yeah, you may have heard the word all your life, but you did you did you understand it? Right? Did you seek? Did you did you apply it? That's right. Like you have to have application. That's right. Application. You can't believe everything that's talking to you. You cannot. And you and you have and God wants you to fact-check. He does. God wants you to give a relationship. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

You don't have a if you don't fact-check, you don't have a relationship, you don't have a relationship with Christ. It requires that you seek him. To seek him is to have a relationship with him, to talk with him, to commune with him, like that he would know who you are. When you have a conversation with someone, you open up and you spill out to that person. When there is a relationship, you don't do that if there's not a relationship. There's not a relationship. They have misinterpretation because there's not a relationship. When do you take the time to talk to Christ? That's what we're going to say. Do you take the time to talk to Christ?

SPEAKER_01 39:07

That's what I was getting ready to say. I was going to say, if you that person that's been sitting all these years in that Bible study, and that's how you get is Bible study, and when you go to church on Sunday, come home and you don't do anything else to do. Come on, we gotta be homework.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

We gotta be responsible and accountable. We have to be accountable.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

You gotta build that relationship. Oh God, Tina, you gotta commune with him.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

You have to commune. You have to commune. That's how he knows you. What you don't want the Lord to say to you is depart from me, I know you not. The only way that he can know you is if he has a relationship with you. And that is like I don't un like a lot of people don't even realize how simple some things really are. For the Lord to say, Depart from me, I know you not, you worker of iniquity. It means he has not, he has no knowledge of who you are, which means you did not have a relationship. That is something that's so simple. Oh, God. Relationship is to talk with the Lord, to have a conversation, but not only to talk, but to listen. So then when the correction does come, that you hear God and you hear him correct. Because he's giving it to you in love. I know that this thing has kind of driven all the way from that to the other.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

But Tina, it goes together. It goes together because we are talking, we are talking about when people try to break your spirit. And they won't if they do these things. Yes, trying to break it, trying to break your life. That's right. Like your heartbeat.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

Like when someone is trying to break you, or when something is trying to break you, or take something away from you, or to destroy you, like that's heavy. All of this goes into that. And we could talk about this for weeks because it's deeper than just one or two things. It's more than just one type of relationship and the other type of relationship. That's right. It's all the way across the board because it's everybody that you come in contact with. What spirit are they meeting you with? What are they coming at you with? Even those that dwell in the home with you. What spirit do you encounter from them on the daily?

SPEAKER_02 41:13

On the daily.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Like, what is it?

SPEAKER_02 41:16

You recognize the spirit, discern the spirit. Yes. And that's another thing that God gives us with all of this, is He gives us discernment so that we would be able to know and to detect what that intention is. To protect ourselves and to protect our spirits, to protect ourselves from being broken, broken, beaten, battered, abused. We should not be that as believers of Christ because we should be keen when it comes to our discernment. We should be keen on that. And if we're not, we should be asking God to sharpen it.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

Tina, I went through a season. It was years. I say a season, but sometimes your season can carry on for years. It can be years. And I went through and I said, God, I need you to sharpen my discernment. I don't want to be fooled. I don't want to be manipulated. I don't want to be sniffed out. Like I need you to sharpen my discernment so that I see it before it gets to me, so that you remove me. That's right. Before it shows up. That's right. That's a different level. That's a different level of relationship.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

Because you're saying, God, I'm like you said, Tina said, I am in the mood where I am listening, I am seeing, I am paying attention, right? So we want to constantly do this. So yes, you talk to God every day. I get on God's nerves. I'm gonna tell you. I get on his nerves. Time my eyes open. I probably do it when I'm when I'm dreaming asleep. All day long. But I'll be like, oh my God, here I go. Yes. And I'm just like, oh my God, why did I do that? Or sometimes I wake up from a dream, oh my God, why dream that? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's continuous. It never stops. And that when you look up one day and you realize, oh my God, I talked to Jesus like he here walking on the earth. That's right. Do you got that relationship? Do ding ding ding ding ding you got a relationship.

SPEAKER_02 43:24

You know, it's funny you say that because people can look at you and look at your life, and we're talking about how being how we can be um go through these things, but it makes who we are. And we're going through so much chaos, and and people can look at us and they think that everything is good, and they wonder, you know, they wonder why um it seems like everything is going good for you. And it all goes back to that relationship that you have. But in order to have that relationship, you must be obedient. You have got to hear what it is that the Lord says. Obedience gives revelation because if you're obedient, God Will speak to you and he will reveal. He will reveal and he will give you interpretation and he will give you understanding. That leads to truth. That understanding is truth. And the truth, let's not get it twisted, is Jesus Christ. That is the truth. We're not saying when we're talking about, you know, everything coming um under the order of God, we're not saying that this religion and this religion and this religion, that's not what we're saying. What we are saying is that you have to find out what the truth is, and the truth is Christ, and that's what's spoken in the Bible. So what we're trying to say to you is that there are some that are misled. There's some that's misled because they believe in one thing or they believe in another thing. But what we're saying is that only until you believe about the truth, and the truth being Jesus Christ, Jesus is what brings us to glory. You cannot get to glory without Jesus. That's the Bible, that's the word. The word says that we can only come before the Father that we know Christ and that we that we know and understand that Christ is the Messiah. So now that we accept and know that Christ is the Messiah, that is our only way to the Father. So we have to go through all these different, we have to go through it's not stages. We are required to do these things as believers in order that we be of Christ, that we really call ourselves of God, and that we really say that we walk in righteousness. We have to do all these things. But people look at us because you do these things, and they say, it looks like you've been through nothing. Because God's got a way of doing things and he does it gracefully. You can't even see the chaos and you can't even see the hell because God does it in a graceful manner. But when he does that stuff in a graceful manner, it doesn't feel good when you're on the other side, when you're the one that's being broken. It doesn't feel good. It feels it is it's just like it's just like being hurt. If you break a glass, if a glass had emotion, it would cry. We have emotion. When you break us, we cry. We cry. We cry, but we cry out to Christ. See, that's the difference. We cry out to Christ so that Christ would say, okay, because He is our Father. And what does He do? Because He is our Father, He comes to us and He consoles us and He says to us, That's my baby. And because that's my baby, I'm going to like I'm I'm going to fix all things for you. I'm going to make it better. I'm going to make you don't worry about, don't worry about this situation. I'll fix it. That's what our father says. The first thing that our father wants to do for us is to fix everything. Our fathers always want to fix everything. Our natural fathers in life, they always want to fix things. If you tell them a problem or an issue, they're going to want to come to you and they want to try to fix it. They have a solution for it. They want to fix it. If you're married, the your spouse, they're going to want to try to fix it because that comes out of love and compassion. That they have the desire that they want it to be fixed. But the only way, but God has a way of doing those things. He has a way of doing those things to where when He fixes us, He doesn't fix us with broken pieces, like with missing pieces. And you know, if a glass is shattered, it's very hard to pick up all the pieces. But God is able to pick up every single piece. He's able to glue back every single piece. He's able to form us back without glue. Without glue to make us look exactly as if we were intended to be made. He has that way of doing that. But we get broken and we go through these things, and it's done in a graceful manner, and we still go through the things we go through and we go through them without having a bitter heart when God does it. But when man does it, you come out a whole different way. That's how you know the difference. That's how you know the difference. When God does it, you come out a completely different person than you would if man does it. When God does it, you come out and your heart is still right and you're still able to serve, you're still able to sacrifice, you're still able to love, you're still able to minister in compassion, minister in compassion to love people, to reach out to people instead of pointing a finger of judgment to people. Sometimes we go through the things that we go through because God is just trying to get us to see. Okay, I tell you like this the person that's actually trying to break another person, maybe God has gotten your eye on that person for a reason. You're steady trying to break a person, but God has put them in your vision because what He's trying to do is get you to recognize what's in them so that you can change who you are to be a better person. So sometimes it's not necessarily that you should like that that the that it should be about vengeance, what or that it should be about judgment. Oh, I see that you do this and I see that you do that, or you hang out with this person, or you hang out with that person, and I don't agree. You don't agree. You don't agree. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's not what God said to do or that it doesn't align with the word. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's not the assignment of that particular person. Nevertheless, nevertheless, it could be that God is bringing that to your attention as the breaker, as the person that is trying to create the harm or that is placing the judgment. It could be that he has put that your focus on that person because there's something good in that person that you should be watching and that you should be trying to strive for. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

Yeah. Period. So don't be the breaker. Don't be the builder. Oh, that's good. Be the builder. Don't be the breaker. Be the builder. And you know, if you if you join me, you won't try to break me. That's right. If you celebrate with me, if you if you are standing in a place where you're worshiping with me, you're not trying to break me. That's right. And so link with me. Yes. Don't don't be destroyed in it. Link with me. If you link with me, then we then we both are gonna be the be salt in the salt box. Say that's gonna season and do everything that we can do together. You better tell them about last episode. Yeah. So don't so don't be an opposition.

SPEAKER_02 50:26

Yes, is what we're saying. Yes. And you will then receive God's glory. You will then be received as what's good and what's of God. It's a way that things should be done and that things can take place and that things can happen. Beauty for ashes is a real thing. You can go through a chaotic situation or scenario and still come out with love and compassion instead of coming out on the opposite side of judgment. Period.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

Tina, you said that ain't nothing else to say. It was meant to break you, but it made you. Period. Alright, so Tina, get this food for thought. I got one, it's real short, it's real sweet, and it's to the point.

unknown 51:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

You got it. So the food for thought. Know who you are. Understand who you are. Even if you have to get a piece of paper and a pen and start to write down those things about yourself for you to even read rediscover yourself and rediscover who you are. Know who you are. And you can't tell them anything. Because guess what? Maybe, maybe you haven't been introduced to your to yourself in 20 years.

SPEAKER_04 51:58

Gosh, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

Or or in 30 years or 10 years or whatever. Maybe you've had some things that happen that has kind of shifted who you are and you haven't rediscovered who you are yet. Rediscover and discover who you are. Know yourself beyond a shadow of a doubt. And I and preferably do this before you even link with anybody else. That's good. That's my food for thought.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

That's good. That's all and that's all we need right there. That's it. That's it right there.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

Alright, y'all. Well, look, we had a good time, an amazing time, a great time. The Lord showed up like he always does. We asked y'all to engage, engage, engage. And Tina, we said we was gonna keep up with everything with Tanisha Michelle Best. Yes, yes, yes. So her talk show, um, it premiered on May 27th. So it will be every Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on the H H N T television network. Tell them girls. Okay. Tell you can look on our socials to find it. You can go to her website www.tanisha. Um excuse me, www.tanisha Michelle1L dot com. And guys, yours truly is producer a producer and the director of the top. Same show. Y'all better watch it. So come support, guys. You will not regret it. It is about domestic violence, um, rape, sexual assault. Um, it's about the awareness, the education, the prevention of it. She speaks to so many different people. And guys, y'all know. Because we interviewed her. Yes, and it was dope.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

So if you listen to her episode, if you didn't, if you didn't see the interview, go back and see the interview. And if you have not downloaded the app, go ahead and download the app and tune in to the show. Don't miss an episode. Don't miss this season.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

Do not. You will you will be upset with yourself if you miss this season, baby. Season one, episode one is waiting right for you to come. So if you so if you don't think you missed it, just go look at it.

SPEAKER_02 54:10

Say that. But look, Jay, before you go out, I want to say this. Tell my girl. Jay, this is what I want to say. I want to say, Jay, uh-huh, I really enjoy doing this podcast with you.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

Oh, girl, I enjoy doing it with you, honey. We we like are like ice cream. Like we melt together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how like if you get like the starbreak and chocolate and the vanilla and it comes together. Like even earlier, we were saying something in sync with each other. We didn't practice that. We don't, we just talk. Talk.

SPEAKER_02 54:47

I really enjoy just having these conversations with you too. And just talking and allowing the Holy Spirit to speak and to say what he says. But not only that, but a lot of times in this stuff that we're talking about, the Lord is free in me. And he is free. Me too, girl. How about that? Oh. So I really wanted you to know that, and I wanted to say that, you know, for everybody to hear, for all the viewers to hear, and so that they know and they understand how much I respect this woman right here and how much I appreciate her and the conversation that we carry. Because sometimes you can't you can't carry these type of conversations with everybody. Touche.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

Touche. You thought it wasn't? You are my sister cousin. There are conversations and moments and stuff that I have with you that I don't have with anybody. Yes. And I and I look forward to it. And y'all, let me tell y'all, she's been in my a um for a little bit this week. She's been real busy because you know, Tina, Tina does real estate. And so she's been very busy. See, y'all need to look her up, CB Real Estate. Don't sleep on it. You better, you better get Key to New Living.

SPEAKER_04 55:55

I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 55:56

Period. So she's been busy, and and that's what I also appreciate and love is that we are doing our independent things. We're doing our things that are together, and then we're also each other's cheerleader in the background.

SPEAKER_03 56:11

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

I think that it's beautiful because I don't believe that women celebrate and support each other the way that they should. That's right. It's always like I'm in competition. Right, and why? You know, it ain't enough room for both of us. Oh, baby, honey, the glass ceiling done broke. Okay. We didn't already bust through the glass ceiling, so we might as well join hands and walk on through it. And let's do it together. Do it together. You do what you do, I do what I do.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

They do what they do. Let's put it all together. Period. It's enough out here for us all to eat, for us all to win. And I do, just like what you said, I do. I really, really wish that women would come together and support one another more instead of it being comparative and competitive. I really, really, truly do wish um that that were the scenario. And maybe, I don't know, in a perfect life it'll happen or whatever. But but you know, I just wanted to make sure that I said that to you on today because you are my girl. You my sister. You're my sister, and you know what? We have to give flowers where flowers are due. And like Jay said, she's got a lot going on too. So don't let her downplay it. She got a whole lot going on, baby.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

To God be the glory. And y'all get look, let me tell you something. If y'all get in this on these socials, you all know what's going on. You would know. You would know. You would know because baby.

SPEAKER_02 57:40

Azelia eat great, you need to look it up.

SPEAKER_01 57:42

Okay, and period. We post each other stuff. We do. So you cannot say that you do not know because we're gonna let y'all know. That's exactly right. And and look, just what she did for me today, to bless us, do that for somebody else. That's right. Let them know what they mean to you.

SPEAKER_04 58:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

And how, and how your life is better because they're in it. That's right. Amen to that. Amen. Look at how food for thought.

SPEAKER_02 58:11

Look, and it wasn't even supposed to be a food for thought. I just had to give you, I had to perial flowers, girl. But look, we also need to let these people, we said that uh to know, we said that we were gonna get with them and let them know about the um the podcasting award results. Yeah, yeah. So let's go ahead and talk about that. Um look, so look, we did not receive the um the award. That's okay. That is okay. It was very close, though. Right. I mean, but look at look at this. This is what I want, this is what I want to bring out out of this. We gathered so much support in that 30 days that it was incredible. The output of love and support was reward and awarding enough for us ourselves. So I want to make sure that I say that. And I want to say thank you so much to each and every person that um that showed their support, that showed their love, that downloads, that that um that shares, that thank you so much for doing that. And I also want to say this part too. Um, we were nominated, period. Out of, do you understand that there is there is probably more than 4.5 million podcasts out here today that are going on. And we were 4.5 million podcasts. We received a nomination. A nomination. I would hate that. Period. Thank you, Jesus. And thank you, God, for the added support that you put on top because that is a cherry. To God be all the glory. To God be the glory.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

So, Tina, we gon' live laugh and love. Until next week, guys. Bye bye.