The Sin Of Cowardice | Ep 31

This week we go after cover-up culture in the charismatic church world, where fake prophecy and hidden misconduct get protected because leaders fear backlash more than they love truth. We connect that fear to moral cowardice, lying, and the damage done when people choose comfort and reputation over accountability. 
• Mike Winger’s work exposing fraudulent prophecy and spiritual manipulation 
• How “prophetic words” get faked using personal info 
• The human cost of platforming frauds and hiding misconduct 
• Why covering sin makes leaders complicit 
• Revelation 21 and the meaning of moral cowardice 
• How fear drives dishonesty, people pleasing, and “silence as a lie” 
• The Milgram question and social penalties for truth 
• Ahab and Micaiah as a warning about flattering voices 
• Why Dante places Betrayers and Cowards in Hell in his book Inferno
• Loyalty vs betrayal when exposing wrongdoing 
• Why truth must outrank image, platforms, and movements 

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Transcript

Why This Topic Grinds My Gears

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Guys, welcome back for the 31st time to the Ministry of Man pod. This week we've got some we've got some some real nitty-gritty stuff we're gonna get into. I'm gonna sink my teeth into this one. Because you know what? This grinds my gears. It grinds my gears more than probably the average person. And so I want to really talk about this. But the reason I want to talk about this, and there is a reason, is this week, it's been a big week in the Christian world, especially in in my circle of Christian world. So some of you might may or may not have heard of a man named Mike Winger. Now, Mike is uh I don't know what you would call him. I guess he's a pastor, but he he has a very big YouTube channel where he normally would just go very, very deep into theology and learning, you know, teeth teaching. He's a teacher of the word. And he doesn't really hold back when he when he dives into a topic. So for example, he has about 40 hours worth of videos on women in ministry in the Bible. Because obviously, there's some some controversial verses in the Bible about women being in ministry, saying women should remain silent in church and that a woman should never exercise authority over a man, like these sorts of things. So they aren't they aren't topics that you would want to kind of skim over if you like there's obviously like some of the more at least now very controversial. Uh, you know, for many years it they weren't wasn't really controversial, but but yeah, so he's got like 40 hours on on it on that topic alone. He has recently though been exposing some frauds in the the Christian charismatic movement specifically. So the charismatic movement are people that maybe a little bit more liberal with their expression of worship and the way that they conduct themselves in a church

Fake Prophecy And Facebook “Words”

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service. It's not so liturgical like that you might see in Catholicism or even like high church tradition traditions like Anglicanism and Lutheranism in some of those more high church, which is like highly traditional kind of ways of performing a Sunday service. Charismatics are a little bit more free, and we we that will follow you know the Holy Spirit or the the impression of the Holy Spirit. And what that has led to is a lot of people taking advantage of maybe naive people and vulnerable people, and because they they can move people very emotionally with things, and basically what was happening is in Christianity there's there's a thing called prophecy where you can speak into people's lives, uh into so there's maybe maybe three different kinds of prophecy. So there's things like people knowing things that you've gone through in your past, so they might say, I can see this has happened to you in your life. And when that when people can do that, it's crazy. It's just like, well, how how could you know that? Uh, and then there's like current things of like, okay, this is something that you're currently dealing with or thinking about or you're currently going through, you're currently thinking about these types of things, and this is happening at the moment at your workplace, or blah, blah, blah. And then there's like future things, or this is going to happen, this is in your future. Here's the thing: in regards to prophecy, it's really, really easy for people to fake it if they're talking about future prophecy, because they can say, Yeah, I can see this in your future. I can see, you know, marriage, and I can and someone that's lonely is like, oh my gosh. And uh, or someone might go, I can see just like huge financial blessing over your life. And then they go, Oh my gosh, I knew it. I knew it, like, God loves me. And you so it's very, very easy for people to misuse prophecy. And what Mike Winger has been doing is calling out people that have been faking it. So, what has happened is that there was people that were getting information off of Facebook, and this is like quite a number of years ago. It's no one's been caught relatively recently doing this in in the last well, maybe actually, maybe Sean Bowles was doing this. He's been exposed. Anyway, this is what that these guys were doing is that they were getting things off Facebook and then they're prophesying it, and then telling people, like, okay, well, now that you know, so they'll go, okay, who's this person? Who's Alice? And then Alice, does does what does the February 9th mean to you? And they go, Oh, it's my birthday, and go, Oh, well, okay, this this I just saw that. This is what God is, I feel like God is saying, You're going to have this, and it and uh he might be like, I don't know, I just really see like something to do with you know, a woollen coat. What does woolen coats mean to you? It's like, oh, well, my family owns a sheep farm and we shear sheep or something. Oh, okay, well, you know, and then lo and behold, it finds out that like it says worked at this sheep farm or something, you know. So there's all these like fakes and frauds, whatever. So Mike Winger has been basically just on a on a roll, on like a one man, I'm gonna expose these things because the people that are around them aren't doing it. There are people that know that this was happening. So Bethel Church, one of the biggest churches in the world,

Cover-Up Culture And Real Harm

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uh, definitely probably the biggest church in the charismatic movement, at least, uh knew. They knew about this stuff, and then they just hit it. They covered the sin, didn't let anyone know. They platformed this person and multiple people, and to uh rather than just exposing them for what they are or warning people that hey, these guys are frauds, not only that, by the way, not only were they faking a lot of these people faking what they were doing, they're also doing really disgusting and perverted things as well. And they were basically abusing people, they're abusing people that uh with because they are prophets or you know, people that were teachers and prophets in high standing in that world, and then they were they were misusing that power that they had of status and uh trying to abuse people and and manipulate people and sleep with people and just doing really gross things. Some things like I won't say on this particular platform because I'm trying to keep it relatively clean, but that's you should you should think like if I if I don't even feel comfortable saying it, how bad some of this stuff is, and these pastors and these leaders aren't warning people, and they know that these bad things are happening, they know that uh they're faking their prophecies, they know that they're they've been sexually immoral and they've been manipulative and they've been lying, lying to people, and then they're still promoting them, still saying, Yeah, you should buy their book, yeah, they're gonna come preach at our church in front of thousands of people, and yeah, like all this sort of stuff is like rather than just addressing it, and then they try and cover it and go, Oh, well, you know, we want to restore them. Like, why would we want to destroy them? If this goes public, they'll be completely destroyed when behind the scenes, you know, oh, they've repented and they said they were sorry behind the scenes, and now we're just restoring them, and so go about your day. It's like that is actually not good enough. First of all, because they're not repentant and they hadn't been repentant. You would people just sort of taking your word for it, but everyone deserves to know still, especially the people that were prophesied to. There was people that moved house, that bought businesses. There was someone that that didn't get treatment for cancer because they were given a prophetic word that they were going to be healed by God, and so they didn't get go and seek any medical attention, they end up dying. So these people, what they're doing is is incredibly evil, and then these other leaders are covering up that evil, that is in itself incredibly evil. If you are covering up someone else's sin, hiding it, and then testifying on behalf of their good character, platforming them, you are evil too. That is evil. Whether your intention is good or oh, you know, well, we just didn't want to, you know, bring it to the light, or you know, we didn't want like some of the things that they were saying, right, was oh, this is gonna be damaging to the movement. They were worried that Christianity was gonna take a hit because there was a bad guy within the church. Like, how conceited and naive and just downright stupid do you have to be to think that you need to be the defender of Christianity when it's God, like the God of everything. Can't he can't he can't help out in any way? God can't restore someone. Like, oh no, the entire Christian faith is gonna crumble if we let people know that this guy was faking it. It's like, no, what's gonna happen is you're gonna cut the bad fruit off from the tree so it doesn't infect and poison everything else. That's actually in the Bible, by the way. So it's like like what is happening? What is happening here? I'll tell you what is happening. It is the sin of cowardice. They're cowards, they are afraid of what people are gonna say, they're afraid to ruffle feathers, they're afraid of man, they're afraid of breaking relationships. It's all coming from a place of fear and self-preservation. And it is it is cowardly and it is sickening because of the the degree to which the these sins that they're covering are, and um, and it's not good enough. And so I applaud Mike Winger for some for the work that he's done and what he's doing. And um, and what's happened from that is it's it's been an on-flow effect, and so that like other people have started to come forward with other things, and then and all of it, like there hasn't been a single situation where the right people haven't been contacted first privately and and done the right thing. All the people that have been contacted initially, that the like the people that are above these people, the people that should have exposed these people, uh, were covering it. And so they're calling it cover-up culture. Now, I want to read this verse.

Revelation’s Warning About Cowardice

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This is from Revelation 21, verses 5 through the 8. So I'm just gonna read this. It's very, very important. So this is talking about God. It says, And he who is seated on the throne said, Behold, I am making all things new. And he said, Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true. And he said to me, so he's talking to John, and John's writing this, it is done, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment, to the one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God, and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for the murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death. The first thing in that list is the cowardly. The cowardly. That's the what the cowardly should expect is to be the portion, the portion that they're dealt is to be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death. Now, obviously, I'll define what it means by cowardly, because it's not just being like it's not just like a general fear, like being afraid of of something, it's obviously it's talking about a moral, a moral cowardice. So being fearful of man rather than of God, not not like having a fear of heights or something, or like I'm I was afraid to like walk over the the edge or something, you know, it's not that, it's a moral issue. So it's it's a fear to live your professed beliefs, for example, or to your wanting to avoid any potential backlash that might come from your your spiritual life, from your godly living, from your Christian living. That's the kind of cowardice that it's talking about. It's not just, you know, I'm afraid of a bug, you know. It's deeper than that. Now, here's why that's that's so important is because cowardice and liars go go often will go hand in hand. If someone is a coward, oftentimes they're also a liar. Not every time. And oftentimes liars are also cowards too. That there's a I'll show how there's kind of like a link between the two that they kind of run parallel with with each other. So recently I I met with someone and I was I was sharing some of my views. They asked me a question, I gave my views, and immediately I I have a lot of maybe not so mainstream views, especially in Christianity. And so I can kind of tell when someone shares those beliefs based on what they say and how they reply. And I uh what I said, I know that they based on their body language and the way that they responded, and they were kind of somewhat taken back. Uh, but they proceeded to kind of like agree with me though, and I was like, oh, this is weird because all the other signals with body language and facial expression and just initial reaction led me to believe, oh, this person definitely doesn't agree, but then they timidly kind of agreed, and it was like, oh okay, like I kind of but I I it was almost clear that they didn't agree. Like obviously, the words that you use is only 7% of communication, so we know that like it's the the tone, body language, that there are other other ways to convey and to communicate something, and the words they were using were not matching up even remotely with all the other ways to signal something, and so I have good reason to believe that this person did not, in fact, agree and that they lied to me because I also do know this person quite well. I believe that they're they're afraid of confrontation and they're also afraid of not being uh liked. Like if if there was a disagreement there, there's the potential that oh, you might not like me as a person now because you don't because I disagree with you or something like that. Um and so that's that's kind of how the thing was fear was the driver that led to a dishonest answer. Jordan Peterson says, if you have something to say, silence is a lie. Now, obviously, I'm not I'm not talking about, you know, there's times where you need to use prudence and discernment and wisdom. You don't just blurt everything out. Like obviously, oversharing and things is not what I'm talking about. It's not it's not necessarily uh a momentary thing. Like you could you could disagree with someone or just simply not agree with them and just go, okay, that's an interesting thing. Like you don't have to affirm someone's belief or say, like, yeah, that's I agree. You can just say that's interesting, or oh, that's I've never thought of it like that, if that's true. Um, but yeah, like not not saying, not speaking something out in terms of like your in your life, like not just in a single singular moment. If there's something that you're not saying, then that silence is a lie, not just in one conversation, just something that is intrinsically true to you and you believe it, and you never share it in any circumstances to anyone, you're in in one sense lying. I I believe that's true. Uh like in in the specific sense of cowardice, that is. So obviously, this whole podcast, I'm trying to enforce the sin of cowardice. And so everything I'm I'm saying, I'm drawing back to the reason that you're not saying something being out of fear and out of cowardice. That's why the the when you do have something to say, science is a lie if the reason that you're not saying it is due to fear and due to rocking the boat and rough ruffling feathers. Or that your your opinion might not be received well, it might not be the popular opinion. And so you just keep it to yourself. And it's like that's a fear thing, that's

When Fear Turns You Into A Liar

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cowardice. There's a thing called a Milgram question. This was popularized by Chris Williamson. It's basically where the the social penalty for an unflattering answer is much higher than the reward for telling the truth is. So there's almost an incentive to lie, because if you were to tell the truth, well, the the backlash for that, giving that the if the truth is an unflattering answer, there's a social penalty for that that you don't want to incur. And so you do you would rather either lie than tell the truth, because like that that's kind of what's being of so a lot of you know people would say, I mean, who knows what the a lot of people really like Trump and a lot of people really hate him, but depending on who you're talking to and what group and environment you're in, saying one of those answers, I really like Trump or I really don't like Trump, that that will be a polarizing answer, no matter, I mean, depending on who you're with. Maybe an easy one would be for men if they're asked, like, uh, you know, do you find what whatever the question is, if a man, if the answer to the question, if the truthful answer to the question was, I don't find overweight women attractive, then that man isn't going to want to say that because the social penalty for saying that is going to make him look really bad, even if it's a true statement. Being put in that position, you're just like, Well, I don't want to answer these questions. So I would either you you would either lie, or you just ideally, if you didn't want to answer it, you just don't answer it. But but there is um, there's almost a social reward though, as well, if you give a flattering answer and go, absolutely, even if it's not true, and you you were to say, Absolutely, I do. Like, of course. I don't see any difference between I don't even think beauty even exists. I think everything is beautiful, and I think that uh everything is true, and everyone's got their own truth, and everything is good, and nothing's different, and all, and like it's funny because like things are only like changing slightly digressing and changing the subject a little bit. Any kind of descriptive word, it's oh it's it's only ever a description in comparison to something else. So if you say like that that thing is tall, it's only tall in comparison to everything else, like other things that it's being compared to. So you you can't just say like everything is tall kind of thing. So when you say like this thing is beautiful, it's beautiful in comparison. It has to be compared to something, in comparison to what? Because if it's not being compared, like if everything's beautiful, then like nothing is. If everything's tall, nothing's tall. It doesn't even make sense. Like you have to, yeah, it's uh it's an interesting thought that like people don't want to do that. They don't want to be compared to anything. They want to say something is like if something's true, that means something else is false. If something's good, that means something else is bad. And people people just don't want to know, nothing's false, nothing's bad, nothing's ugly, it's all like it's all good, it's all true, it's all beautiful, it's and that is just the furthest thing from reality and the truth. They're like the only three things that we can really measure properly. And this is I'm gonna have to do a full podcast on the the good, the true, and the beautiful, but um, but for to just stay on track, stay on track. We've got a lot to get through and got a little bit out of time left. So let's keep it on pushing, let's keep it pushing, brother. All right, now where was I? Yes. Well, yes, if you answer one of these Milgram quest Milgram questions and you do lie, not only are you a liar, but you're also a coward, too. So that's like it's possibly the worst thing to be able to like know your own character. This is why like character is just so much better than reputation. Like, like, because it's just not your reputation doesn't necessarily reflect who you truly are, and you know who you truly are. You're one of the only people that probably does know. You can't hide from yourself. You're you you've you have all the facts and the all the information. I mean, people lie to themselves all the time, and they're probably the the most cowardice, but anyway, yeah, a coward will that that'll just lie straight to your face. To avoid any type of disagreement or the possibility of you just not liking them. It's actually a very self-obsessed kind of attitude, these types of cowards. It's a self-preservation thing. And this is actually the biggest difference between being a people pleaser and having genuine care for someone, because a people pleaser is only worried about themselves. They're pleasing people in order to maintain a safe and comfortable environment for themselves. It doesn't really matter about the other person, but for someone that has genuine care for someone else, they're willing to disrupt that environment because they have genuine care for the other person. Even at the cost of how they feel, even at their own detriment, they would be willing to sacrifice their own comfort and possibly even threaten the relationship itself because of how much they genuinely care about the person. They're willing to put themselves and the relationship on the line because of how much they actually care. Man, a friend that lies to your face is not a friend. They're not a friend. You want the people that are willing to give you hard truths. You you should notice that. You should really, really take notice of people when they say things and you don't like it to just to think about that and be like, and if it's something that they that you know that they would know is not going to be an easy thing to say, like put yourself in their shoes and then realize that person is probably a good friend, it's probably someone you can trust. It's um it's crazy.

Ahab And The Prophet Who Tells Truth

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Speaking of, I mean, all of this linking back to prophecy, there's a story in the Bible uh of a king named Ahab, one of the most evil kings that the Bible speaks about. He'd done more evil than all of the pre uh his predecessors. And one of the things he says is he's about to go to war. Another king comes to him and says, What are your prophets saying? Are we going to win this war or what? Now, Ahab, he says, I have 400 prophets that say we're going to win. 400. So 400 people saying, Yep, if you go to war, you're going to win, you're going to win. This other king says, Is that all your prophets? Is there is there anyone else? He goes, Well, there's one other prophet, but I hate him. I hate him because he always gives me bad prophecies. He always he hates me too. And he goes, Well, we'll ask him. Like, let's just see what he says. And he they go and they get him. His name's Micaiah. They go and get Micaiah, and then Micaiah says, Yeah, yeah, you'll win. You'll win. And he goes, And Ahab goes, I know you're lying. Tell the truth. He goes, Look, I'll ask the Lord, I'll ask God, and I will just tell you what God tells me. He goes, if you go to this war, you'll die. And he goes, see, he hates me. He says I'm gonna lose. It's all bad stuff, it's bad stuff. He goes, okay, and they throw him in jail. And um, spoiler alert, he goes to war and he dies. Uh, but no one wants to give the king the bad word. Everyone's like, no, it's all good, it's all good. It's like you're all liars, man. It's liars. And cowards, bro, like they don't want to upset people. It's just, it's, it's cowardice. I've got no time for it. The older I get, the less time I have for cowards. When I see it, I just do not respect it. And I do not want cowards in my circle. I can't afford to have cowards around me because of these things, because I know that they're liars. You can't trust them. You can never you cannot trust a coward that will stab you in the back or just lie to your face. And this is the thing, this is the thing. Some of these some of these people are being accused. So, so people that are that I know that are very close to me, that have helped Mike Winger to expose people. I'm just saying that to keep, I don't know, anonymity, whatever. I don't they probably don't care if I say who it who it is, but people that are close to me have they been accused of betr betraying people. Uh and betraying because they they were around at the time. They were they're a big part as to why some of these people are being exposed. They were some of the only people that were willing to put their name and face on the line to call out some of these people. And if they hadn't done that, then these people would have would still be out there lying to people, manipulating people, abusing people, blaspheming the Holy Spirit and blaspheming God because they're using God's name in vain, saying God said this and he didn't say it. They know that he didn't say it because they they lied and they've been exposed and they've been caught red-handed. And so because these people are now being exposed, they're trying to find ways to like to bite back a little bit and go, Well, you're a betrayer and you broke my trust, and that's disloyal, and all this sort of stuff. Here's the thing loyalty is a is a virtue, but it's not virtuous to allow your friend to do unvirtuous things and enable them to do it and not or not confront them about it. That isn't a virtue to begin with. So you can't betray someone if the loyal thing to do wasn't a virtuous thing to do at all. That isn't what betrayal is. That isn't that isn't betrayal at all. You you can't be doing a virtuous thing and it and simultaneously it be an unvirtuous thing. That makes no sense whatsoever. And the people that were calling these people out, they're doing the right thing. They're exposing evil, they're shining light. Biblically, this is the biblical process. You go to the person, is what the Bible says. You go to the person. If they don't repent, you take someone else with them, then you go to them. If they still don't repent, you take it public. That's what the Bible says. That's exactly what has happened with all of these people, by the way. All of these people have been reached out to for comment privately, that refused or just completely dismissed and uh and did not care uh uh and did not repent and did not admit any fault at all, that they've done no wrongdoing. Well, they have done wrong wrongdoing, and now there's hundreds of thousands of people that are seeing it on Mike Wing's V video, which is what you get. So that is uh and and ideally they would now see this and repent. So that's that's the hope. The hope is not just to destroy them, the hope is that they would receive this, that it gets exposed publicly in the hopes that they change now, because nothing was getting through. Hopefully, now it gets through and they understand the error of their ways and they become a purer Christian because of it. So there's there's supposed to be good fruit come out of this. And we'll see. We'll we'll wait and see if that happens. So here's the thing. This is what, and this is what okay, this is what bothers me about when people throw a word the word throw around the word betrayal in these situations, right?

Betrayal, Loyalty, And Hard Standards

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Betrayal is actually one of the most wicked things that you can you can actually do. According to Dante, and at least. Dante, who wrote uh Inferno. In inferno, that there's nine circles of hell. It gets, you know, as you as you go deeper to each circle, it's like worse and worse people. The ninth circle, the deepest circle, is is where uh treacherous people go for betrayers. That is what that is where Dante puts them, people that betray trust.

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Uh or as Captain Jack Sparrow might put it, the deepest circle of hell is deserved for betrayers and mutiny.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

So but that's like that's where you where you're you're putting someone, like just throwing around betrayal, betrayer. You have to understand what you're saying there. Like it's it's one of the most despicable things that you can do. So people that just throw that around because just because you you just you felt betrayed doesn't mean the person betrayed you, by the way. We all know how fickle feelings are. Like just because someone feels a certain particular way doesn't mean that like so what? Like someone can do a loving thing and someone feels offended by it. And it's like, okay, well, like deal with that though, because like there are objective standards of good, especially if you're a Christian. Like you you can wave to someone and someone feels awkward. I remember like let's say um there was a girl that asked for my mobile number, and sorry, there was a girl that asked me out, asked me for to hang out, you know, as a as a date, basically. And I felt super uncomfortable because I was I wasn't interested, but it made me feel bad. Like I was like, because I didn't want to do it, and they were like kind of a friend, and the whole thing was awkward, and it made me feel not it made me feel very unpleasant. Now, just because I felt uncomfortable, does that mean that she did the wrong thing? No, obviously not. Like it's like of course not. It's in reality, it was actually a very courageous thing to do. And even after that, that initial feeling of discomfort wore off, I had I actually had a lot of respect for it. I was like, Yeah, shoot your shot, girl. Like that's go you. Like, um, because that would not have been easy. So just because someone might feel betrayed doesn't mean you you've betrayed them. Like you can feel all types of ways. You can convince yourself of anything. I mean, we the world we live in, people you know, will be like, oh, that person abused me. Like, oh, what do they do? They misgendered me. Okay, well, that's that's not what abuse is. Okay. So how about stop saying that? And it's like, yeah, okay, you might have felt, I don't care how you felt. Like, that's not, you can't just say everything is abuse. You can't just say, oh, someone looked me in the eye. Like there were there was literally videos of like girls feeling violated because a guy on the bus like looked at them and they made eye contact and they felt violated. Okay, then like that's you stay inside, then you don't you don't go outside if someone looks you in the eye and you feel violated, you don't go outside. Like you don't blame a person for just like being a human being. Oh, I heard a person breathe and I and it made me feel gross, and I just think that they that they shouldn't have done that to me. No, you're a psycho. What are you talking about? You like a man. Here's the other thing that Dante, going back to Dante, he speaks also about so obviously betrayers is is bad. One of the worst, according to Dante.

Cowardice In Church And Public Life

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He also puts cowards in there too. So cowards are that they're not in the this the circle realm of Dante's Inferno, but they're still in hell, and this is what he says. Well, he he he says people that are that are politically neutral due to not wanting to be disruptive or like take a stance on something, they're also in hell. Specifically because they're cowards. He's not talking about people that are unaware of something, and he's also not talking about political parties. Not he's not saying people that don't identify with the Democrats or the Republicans or the Republicans or the Libertarians or whatever, labor or liberal, whatever. He's not talking about that. He's talking about people that have a belief of how power structure should work, how a society should work. If you have any kind of belief, that is, in some sense, a political belief. Like whether you're you are pro, like if you think that stealing is wrong, um, you that's a in in some sense, a lot of senses, that's a political belief because you want to live in a society where that is against the law. So the the laws that you like and the laws that you don't like, everyone kind of has that. I mean, you can be informed or or uninformed. He's talking about those that are informed, that have a sense that, you know, I know that this is wrong, but I'm going to remain ambivalent towards it because I don't want to come across, you know, as ruffling feathers. I don't want to get my hands dirty with that. That is why Dante says that they will also be in hell, because they are they know when evil is taking place and they do nothing about it, even though they could, even though they could say something, even though they could show support in some way, they don't. They want to keep their hands out of it. Oh, that's just not for me. That is that is the sin of cowardice right there. Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is the righteous man that gives way before the wicked. That's Proverbs 25, 26. It's like you you are pointless. You you aren't you're a polluted fountain. You're a muddied spring, the righteous man that that just allows wicked to take place right in front of your face and just say nothing and do nothing. You're just allowing that to happen. It's it's um it's not good, man. It's not good. Because the reason that they're not saying something is is again, it goes back to self-preservation. It's selfish, man. Knowing that it's wrong and staying back to preserve yourself and to you know, there were people that that wouldn't call out certain pastors and they they wouldn't put their name and their face attached to it because they didn't want to be involved in the messiness. They're like, I don't want to have my name and I don't, you know, I don't want to be known as like that guy that's like you know exposing people and oh yeah, I just don't want to be. It's like you're you're self-pro preserving now. Like you you care more about your own image than about giving credibility to some of these people. Like this is what I was privy to be able to get clued in on a bit of this stuff because of the relationship I had with the the people that were making these videos. What's been exposed is like barely anything. Like the tip of the iceberg, literally, it's it's it's the tip of the iceberg. Like the amount that goes on and the amount of people that know what goes on and just don't say anything. People in powerful places and worse things going on. Every around every corner, the pastor's like, oh yeah, we we knew about that. Oh but oh yeah, that's been going on for a while. Like pastors, local church pastors in Australia calling up people in America, large, you know, huge hundreds of thousands of followers and you know, well respected and known people going, hey, what do I do? This this famous person, this other famous person is has done this thing at my church. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He does that. Yeah, he does that. What? What do you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We we've known about this. It's like this is that's it's despicable, bro. It's despicable. It's it's it's I've lost a lot of faith in the the charismatic movement. Like I think, I think it's full of cowards, bro. I think that I honestly think that that's what it is. I think it's full to the brim of cowards and ladder climbers. That's what I believe. I believe that. I don't try I don't I don't have respect for many people in in Christian as far as Christian leaders, there are the the people that I respect are far and few between. Like there's it is there are people in positions that shouldn't be there. There are cowards, there are people that just wanted to grow their own following. Um, they're jealous, they're jealous of people with platforms, they want people to look at them. It makes me sick, man. It makes me sick because oh here's the thing. I've spoken a lot about courage in in previous episodes. I've spoken about you know Aristotle's version of courage being in the meme in between uh you know cowardice and and recklessness. I've spoken about courage being one of the four cardinal virtues alongside prudence, temperance, and and justice, which are by far like I mean it's the if you haven't listened to that, go back and listen to the the episode I did on the four cardinal virtues, because like, man, they're just so good. They're so good. Everyone should know about those virtues at least. I mean, like, yeah, like those virtues, the virtues that have been spoken about for literally thousands of years. I mean, anyway, I've spoken about how the Bible in in Paul who who writes in Corinthians says to act like men. And in the translation of that is it translates to to be courageous. Simply put, it's it's it's one of the most powerful and dominant virtues that any person can have. And we live in a time where we need people to have it now more than ever, and we need we need to have it in abundance. It's um it's a lack of courage that led to our our country being locked down by the government, people losing their their jobs, people uh unaliving themselves due to the the fallout from losing their job and their work and not being able to provide for their family, mental health crises. That was that was a lack of courage. We didn't have enough people speaking up. We had we had too many people that were just sheep, just uh it was a lack of courage that allowed children to be at pride parades where grown men were able to expose themselves to children. Like the the fact that that that that wasn't invaded and just completely torn down, like that men weren't courageous and and didn't go in and just like I mean obviously there's like law enforcement protecting it, but like it shouldn't have even got to that point. Like there should have been so much outrage at that that that it was was net could never happen again. It's a lack of courage that allowed children to be put on puberty blockers to completely destroy a healthy functioning body, growing body to be permanently destroyed beyond repair. And um and here's the thing, it's gonna take a lot of courage to not buy into propaganda, and it will take a lot of courage to consider your nice little bubble of a happy and pretty world that that we live in to be destroyed and to realize that there are very, very powerful people in very powerful places that hate you and want to control every part of your life. It's just so glaringly obvious that it's it's obvious it's also it's just as obvious that the people that don't believe that are afraid to believe it because it'll shadow their worldview. Like that's the thing. It's like like we just had like the Epstein files, so much of it be released, and what and like what happened? What happened? Just like nothing, just nothing happened, no arrests made, just a full island, Epstein's Island, is you know, bunch of celebrities, everyone's favorite celebrities out there, they're still working, they're still cool, still got millions and millions of followers, and nothing really happened. Like everyone's that's it. Like the only thing people are talking about is yeah, we need to vote out Trump. They're literally eating babies. You want you like you know, worshiping Moloch and Baal, like ancient deities from thousands of years ago sacrificing children to and you're you're talking about wanting to vote them out. Like, what what are we doing? Like what are we doing? Like how like we're we're pacified, like you look at like you know, all the research of like, oh yeah, all this all this food reduces testosterone, all this food, it like increases estrogen in men. You know, beer increases estrogen and lowers testosterone in men, and somehow it's marketed as being like this manly drink. It's like that's the most feminine thing ever. Like, like man boobs is a real thing, by the way. Like guys actually grow man boobs if they drink a lot of beer, low T, high estrogen, femme boys, but uh like dude, it's crazy, man. Like you that that whole thing of like hard times create I don't know, tough men, tough men create good times, good you know that you know the cycle thing. I think we've been in some really good times, and I think it's created some really soft men. I think we've got We live in one of the softest generations. And especially, I think Australia specifically is full of cowards because I think that they are afraid to like actually take action and to recognize the fact that thing bad things are happening in the world and they would rather live in their safe little secure bubble. And and so they go, Oh, you're you're you know, some conspiracy theorist or you're crackhead or whatever. They'll just like throw insults at people that are saying, Hey, did you see you know this bit of crazy propaganda? They go, Oh, it's wouldn't be propaganda. And you're like, No, it quite clearly is, and the fact that you don't see that just tells me that you just can't be bothered. Because if bel like believing it, like I heard this, right? Someone goes, If I can't believe doctors, then I can't believe anything. And so I have to believe doctors, right? And so that statement alone is one of the biggest cowardice statements ever, because it's like, well, okay, so you would be willing to blindly believe them then, because like you haven't given your brain the possibility of doctors being wrong, yeah. Because if I if I can't believe them, then everything shatters, my whole worldview shatters. Okay, well, then truth isn't your priority. This is the biggest thing. The biggest thing about all these people being exposed, the people that weren't willing to say anything, it's because truth wasn't their priority. They didn't care about the truth, they cared about their reputation and their platform. And they'll go, oh, it'd be so damaging to people. I mean, even Bill Johnson was like, you know what? You know what I think? Like the the I think it was all worth it, you know, allowing this stuff to happen because of all the fruit that's come from it. It's like, you don't know that that's good fruit. Just because people moved across the country and moved to your church and you saw, oh yeah, their lives are great, you don't know that that was God's plan for their life. You lied to them, or you allowed people to lie to them and you didn't correct even when you knew that they should be corrected. It's just despicable, man. I'm just so sick of it, bro. And um the only reason, like I don't like there's there's certain things that I have found out that I can't say because it's so defamatory. I mean, not that this is, you know, even though it's top five podcasts in the world, subjectively, you just you can't just go throwing around things without I don't have the evidence with like I can't just show evidence and show proof, and you know, these people that no one's gonna come forward, so I can start naming names, but like I would be legally like screwed. Um, but there's people that do have proof, and there's people that do have evidence, and there's people that do have testimonies from people that would step forward if a big name person was behind them, but they won't do it, and for that, I believe that they're cowards, bro. And and I pray, I pray that not only do the liars be get exposed, I pray that the cowards get exposed too, that all this whole cover-up culture thing that Mike Wing is exposing. I I I pray that all of the people that are helping to cover up the this stuff, that that all gets exposed and and and uh or that they repent and that they don't do it ever again. That's that's what I think. So so again, for just because I know how much you enjoyed it, I'll do my Jack Sparrow impression one one more time, just for the just for the the fun and just for the for the fans. Okay, you ready? The deepest No, hang on, hang on, I can do this.

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Alright, here we go. The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and mutiny.

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Kind of losing my voice a little bit, so that might not have been the best. But here's the thing,

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