CBMK0056 Tommy the Cowboy's on the "Two Worlds Collide" discussion between Sam Bamford, Joanne & her husband

This clip is about Tommy the Cowboy's commentary on the "Two Worlds Collide" discussion between Sam Bamford, Joanne and her husband.

The central question was simple: What is Australian, and what is ethnically Australian?

Joanne argued that having lived in Australia since the age of four, assimilating and building her life here, makes her Australian. Her husband stepped in and pushed Sam Bamford to acknowledge that.

Sam, however, argued that citizenship or being born here does not automatically make someone ethnically Australian. Where the discussion fell apart was that nobody clearly defined the difference between nationality and ethnicity.

In my view, they're all talking past each other.

If citizenship alone determines ethnicity, then every migrant who moves to Britain instantly becomes ethnically British, which most people would reject. Citizenship and ethnicity are not the same thing.

The answer seems straightforward to me. If we're talking about ethnic Australians, then Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are Australia's indigenous ethnic groups.

IMPORTANT:
"People can't have it both ways. If birthplace is all that matters, then it applies equally to everyone regardless of ancestry, religion, or origin. If heritage and historical connection matter, then explain where the line is. What's the timeline? One generation? Three? Ten? At what point does origin stop mattering and national identity begin?"

If we're talking about being Australian as a nationality, then that's a broader category that includes citizens regardless of ancestry.

I think what Sam was trying to argue—but didn't clearly articulate—was that people whose families have been here since before Federation developed a distinct Australian identity separate from Britain. But that's a different argument from ethnicity.

The real question is this: Do you believe Australian identity comes from citizenship and participation in the country, or does it require deeper historical and ancestral ties?

That's where the debate should have started.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

I reckon I've seen it all now. Yesterday I put up a snippet of uh Sam Bamford's Two Worlds Collide podcast on what it means to be ethnically Australian. In the podcast, one of the guests told his wife to shut up, which I thought was pretty ordinary.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

No, shut up. You need to find what an Australian is. No, shut up! I did say I was gonna do a part two on Sam Bamford, Joe, her husband, and Tommy the Cowboy. This is part two. Now, when I had a look at Tommy Cowboy's second upload, mate.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

I reckon I've seen it all now. Yesterday I put up a snippet of uh Sam Bamford's Two Worlds Collide podcast on what it means to be ethnically Australian. In the podcast, one of the guests told his wife to shut up, which I thought was pretty ordinary.

SPEAKER_08 0:44

No, shut up. Let me talk I'm an Australianist. No, shut up. Let me just I'm like an Australianist.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Now somehow that footage there you just watched was heavily edited by me. Let's play the full clip. What led up to him telling her to shut up? Let me talk. No, no, you questioned. You were sitting trying to answer.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

Yeah, well, you were sit over here sitting over me trying to talk to me, weren't you? Okay, guys, I'm trying to answer your questions. You're not editing.

SPEAKER_06 1:08

You can't even define an Australian, bro. What is an Australian? What is an Australian?

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Okay, no, shut up. Anyway, Joe has defended her husband's actions. Fair enough. That's their relationship. But to accuse me of heavily editing the footage. I mean, it's on YouTube. Anyone can go and watch the podcast. Joe claimed she wasn't trying to de-escalate the situation, which I disagree, but if I'm wrong, okay. I'll admit it. It's how you truly feel, Joe. I'll accept that. I'll apologise for that. Anyway, I'll play this, which was a little bit further on in the podcast. Joe, you tell me this is not you de-escalating the situation. What's the train? What's the train?

SPEAKER_04 1:42

There you go. So don't come at me.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Don't come at me for telling me.

SPEAKER_06 1:46

He thinks he knows what Australian is. I just told you what an Australian is, dude. This is getting ridiculous. Don't let me ask him questions. This is getting ridiculous. Can we tease out? Go, test my thesis. Are you gonna shut up and let me actually ask the question? Oh, pot calling the kettle black mate.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Alright, let's go. Let no days ask him questions.

SPEAKER_06 2:00

No, well, no, no, we're no no.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Where Joanna said that it didn't happen. Well it fucking did happen, Joanna. It did happen. I watched it. You sat there, you did not defend yourself against your husband, and you allowed him to speak to you like that. Okay, that's your relationship. But don't deny that it didn't happen, because it did happen. I watched it. Secondly, Joanna the whole time wanted approval from Sam Bamford. She wanted approval of her being Australian.

SPEAKER_06 2:28

He's even having the massive cultural disruption now that um people are for the first time in history, and this is where we spoke about the other night. We're debating between Western Australian. Like this is a cultural division now that um immigration is causing. I wouldn't be having this argument if we followed five years ago and like immigration wasn't so high, right? And saying, um and this is where my argument is like that like we were like, I think Australians, um, let's say you're Anglo, Celtic, Andro-Indigenous Australians, where we're being we're we're being replaced at a rate that is like glaringly obvious now. Um I think, right? I'm walking around, I'm seeing different cultures everywhere. But five years ago we never see that. And what I'm my sort of argument at the moment is is that there is so many people coming in at such a rapid rate, and the government are telling us that all these people are Australian. And I'm sitting back and being like, Well no, they've been here since breakfast. They can't just be Australian if they've been here since just a short time. Someone like yourself, this is where the debate is, right? Like, are you Australian?

SPEAKER_10 3:05

Like when did you uh sort of in 1988? 1988. I was about four years old. And my dad, so this was before we introduced temporary work leases, we only had permanent work leases. You came as a permanent resident, so there was an IT need, my dad was highly skilled, he was able to bring over his wife and his three children, we settled in Sydney, so urban city bought a house, made it our home. Um he actually died six months after. We didn't get booted back because he wasn't no longer able to do that job. We stayed uh because we were all permanent residents by that point. And and we've made Australia our home. You know, we've got five children. Um I guess in our last conversation I asked you, do you think I'm Australian? And recently I've been seeing on X that your position on that has changed somewhat. Yeah. Um what's why why have you changed your position and and what would be your answer now to that question? Am I Australian?

SPEAKER_06 3:46

No, not ethnically. Values, culturally wise, this is where the argument is. Because there's so many people like you that have come in and um you've come in when uh Anglo, Celtic and or Indigenous Australians have been the overwhelming majority. So you've been able to come in and assimilate to our culture pretty easily, and you've sort of left your culture at the door. Now the reason I've changed recently is because I've sort of done a lot of inner thinking, I've done a lot of uh a lot of um reading, reviewing, and I think that if we can't define something, we can't defend it.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

So the problem with the whole citizenship, people like to think that they can go into another person's country, change it up to make them feel better about themselves. And in this case, Joanna wanted approval by Sam Bamford the whole time. Listen to it and watch it. She kept saying, Well, am I Australian? Am I Australian? I did this, I did that, so am I Australian? I only went back to India once, and then he asked her, Well, do you consider yourself Indian? And she goes, Well, no, not really. Because she was raised here in Australia. You know the other thing that came out of that too, in that same sort of area, is she said that she came over with her father. So she was born in Britain, came to Australia when she was four, her father came over for a job, and I think he passed away at uh six months into the job. So, how did they remain on a PR after his death? That's a question I would like to know. One, it's very sad, and two, she was raised in Australia, but that doesn't make you an ethnic part of Australia. Now let's go on to Sam Bamber. He brings up the whole ethnicity. Well, the only ethnicity that belongs to this country is Aboriginal people and Torres Strait Islanders. But what Sam was trying to say is that people that came as economics before World War One are considered Australian because they poured you know blood and tears into the game, I guess. That's where he was going with it. But this whole segment well got heated and it wasn't the best conversation. It made for good viewing, but no one could tell us who and what is Australian. Don't come at me for telling me.

SPEAKER_06 6:13

He thinks he knows what an Australian is. I just don't know what an Australian is, dude. This is getting ridiculous. This is getting ridiculous. You're gonna test your thesis. Go, test my thesis. Are you gonna shut up and let me actually ask a question? Oh, potcorn the kettle black mate.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Let's go, let's go, guys. Ask him questions.

SPEAKER_06 6:27

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you're gonna sit here and sit there and stop me in my own fucking house, mate, this is getting bullshit. Actual bullshit. You can't just sit there and have a crack at me and tell me my thesis is bullshit when you can't even define it yourself, mate. You can't even sit here and define an Australian.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Let's all these things are ridiculous. Let's go.

SPEAKER_06 6:43

Let's come on! You think this is ridiculous? You want to sit there and have a crack at me in the house list?

SPEAKER_05 6:47

You know this is ridiculous, isn't it? What's an Australian?

SPEAKER_09 6:50

Let's ask him what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05 6:50

You are making fun of me for not being able to define what an Australian is. Because you keep telling me the definition for me to even ask you a question. Let's ask a test.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

But I can tell you what it is. It's Aboriginal Tourist Ray Islander people. Just like the Red Indians are that of America. Yeah? Now, put things into context. Everyone's up in arms at the moment about the UK. That's like saying that just because you got a citizenship, you are now British. And that's the problem in the United Kingdom. There's no differentiation at this moment of who is British. We know what the past looked like. They were basically white people. But now people that come to either the UK or come to Australia, they have this little piece of paper to say that they're Australian citizens, that they think they have more rights than you. If you're gonna define ethnicity, it has to go back to the origins of the people that had the land before. And in the case of Britain, it's white people. In the case of Australia, it's Aboriginal Torres Strait Islanders. I don't care about your feelings, these are facts. Just because you have a piece of paper doesn't mean that you are ethnically here. So that whole topic was completely out of control. But what Sam was basically saying is that if you had skin in the game, you built this country since um colonization, then that's where he was going. But just because you have a citizenship in the last, you know, in the Second World War onwards, that's up for debate. It's just citizenship. You are a guest to this country. That's how I see it, and that's how most Aboriginal people see it. It's not a conquer, it's not a divide, it's a fact. But for Joe to say to Tommy the Cowboy that he got it wrong, no, he did not get it wrong. It's there, and it's up for interpretation, and he interpreted like that, and I interpreted like that. But you know what? I have an issue with your husband. But that's gonna be our next segment.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

I reckon I've seen it all now. Yesterday I put up a snippet of uh Sam Bamford's Two Worlds Collide podcast on what it means to be ethnically Australian. In the podcast, uh one of the guests told his wife to shut up, which I thought was pretty ordinary.

SPEAKER_08 9:14

No, shut up, and you define what an Australian is. No, shut up, but let me define what an Australian is.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

Now somehow that footage there you just watched was heavily edited by me. Let's play the full clip. What led up to him telling her to shut up? You're gonna let me talk. No, no, no. You're asking me questions. You were trying to try and answer it.

SPEAKER_03 9:31

Yeah, well, you were sit over here, sitting over me, trying to talk over me, weren't you? Don't say, okay, guys, I'm trying to answer your questions.

SPEAKER_06 9:37

But you're not letting me answer. You can't even define an Australian, bro. What is an Australian? What definition? What is an Australian?

SPEAKER_07 9:42

Okay, no, shut up. You define what an Australian is.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

Anyway, Joe has defended her husband's actions. Fair enough. That's their relationship. But to accuse me of heavily editing the footage. I mean, it's on YouTube. Anyone can go and watch the podcast. Joe claims she wasn't trying to de-escalate the situation, which I disagree, but if I'm wrong, okay, I'll admit it. That's how you truly feel, Joe. And I'll accept that. I'll apologize for that. Anyway, I'll play this, which was a little bit further on in the podcast. And Joe, you tell me this is not you de-escalating the situation. What's your train? What's I told you I don't know?

SPEAKER_04 10:12

There you go. So don't come at me.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Let me answer my question. Don't come at me for telling me.

SPEAKER_06 10:16

He thinks he knows what an Australian is. I just told you what an Australian is, dude. This is getting ridiculous. Let me ask him questions. This is getting ridiculous. Can we tease that? Go, test my thesis. Okay, but you're gonna shut up and let me actually ask the question. Oh, potcorn the kettle black, mate.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

Alright, let's go. No, Jace, ask him questions.

SPEAKER_06 10:29

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, if you're gonna sit here and and and sit there and insult me in my own fucking house, mate, this is getting bullshit. Actual bullshit. You can't just sit there and have a crack at me and tell me my thesis is bullshit when you can't even define it yourself, mate. You can't even sit here and define an Australian.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

Yeah, well this is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_06 10:46

Let's go.

SPEAKER_09 10:46

Let's come on.

SPEAKER_06 10:47

You think this is ridiculous? You want to sit there and have a crack at me in a house?

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Well, this is ridiculous, isn't it? What's an Australian?

SPEAKER_09 10:52

Let's ask him what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05 10:53

You are making fun of me for not being able to define what an Australian is. Because you keep telling me that's definition. For me to even ask you a question.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

But test your assumption. Ask it there. Anyway, the whole thing was pretty funny. I thought it was pretty funny. No, these people are arguing about who's ethnically Australian. My wife's Aboriginal, she's sitting there laughing at the whole podcast. Sam Bamford, he changed his position, his initial position, which was this.

SPEAKER_10 11:13

I just Sam, would you see me as Australian?

SPEAKER_06 11:16

Yes. Are you born here?

SPEAKER_10 11:17

No.

SPEAKER_06 11:17

Do you all your schooling here?

SPEAKER_10 11:18

Yeah. We came when I was four.

SPEAKER_06 11:20

I mean, it boils down to citizenship, right? Yeah. Are you legally allowed to be here as a country? Well, that makes you Australian. A lot of arguments out there saying that, you know, Australians from the Anglo-Celtic background. Right, you know, like they're the only Australians. Yeah. But my my picture of Australia is a 90s Australia.

SPEAKER_10 11:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:35

Where it was like predominantly Anglo Celtic. Yeah. But we did have mixes of but like now it's getting to the point where it's like it's really changed.

SPEAKER_10 11:42

So now this.

SPEAKER_06 11:43

An Australian is an Anglo Celtic, European, and indigenous descent person. They had the land, we took it off, and we built all the shit. Now they use all the shit that we built.

SPEAKER_05 11:50

We build the shit, and she uses the shit that we built, but you don't call her Australian.

SPEAKER_06 11:53

Yeah, but she came here and like. From India, originated from India.