"5 Minutes Too Long"| EP.21

This week on 808’s & Convo, Emo G & Temp steps into the fire where street codes, public perception, and hip-hop politics collide.

We kick things off with the tension between Papoose and 50 Cent. Is this just rap banter, or something deeper rooted in hate?

Next, Boosie Badazz stirs the pot by calling out rappers who choose ‘protective custody’ while incarcerated, specifically taking aim at Kodak Black. This opens up a real conversation: do “street codes” still apply when a multimillionaire is on the line? And who really gets to enforce those rules in 2026?

We also discuss the long-awaited trial of Lil Durk, officially set to begin April 21st, 2026. With the spotlight on one of Chicago’s biggest rap figures, what does this moment mean for his career, his legacy, and the intersection of rap culture and the legal system?

Album Reviews:

Emo dives into Jack Harlow’s latest project Monica — is this growth, comfort or a creative plateau?

Plus, a breakdown of A Boogie wit da Hoodie’s Before Artistry — a reflective project that peels back layers of his journey before the fame. Does it hit the mark or miss the moment?

Tap in. Let’s talk about it.

Opening Set List:

24 Hours- TeeFLii feat. 2 Chainz

Show Me- Kid Ink feat. Chris Brown

Post To Be- Omarion feat. Chris Brown & Jhene Aiko

Up Down (Do This All Day)- T-Pain feat. B.o.B.

Transcript

SPEAKER_12 0:13

No, you're good.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

We just talking shit right now. We just pre-show before the show. Exactly. What's up?

SPEAKER_13 0:26

Fire.

SPEAKER_04 0:31

Oh, nice. I mean, hey.

SPEAKER_06 0:36

That's a red side. Everybody yelling at the shit.

SPEAKER_11 0:41

Fuck it, that thank you.

SPEAKER_04 0:50

She came in like a ghost.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

I said, what the fuck? Oh, I didn't even hear the door open. Came in like a fucking ghost. She just slid in here. Like a ninja. The fuck? What the fuck going on?

SPEAKER_04 1:06

Alright, man, let's get into the first one. Yo. How's Anna by the way? She sure. She good? Yeah. She's hurt. I should have bought a third bottle.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Nah, then you must not want me to drive tonight. That's something that's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:27

You're not driving.

SPEAKER_12 1:29

What? Self-incrimination. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_13 1:42

Tell me about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:58

Used to be the type to provide that pussy. And let it thug hit it. You ain't gotta get dressed to do your hair girl. I got 24 hours. 24 hours. It's just me and you. I got 24 hours. 24 hours. 24 hours. 24 hours. Yeah, you look going on makeup on Sex. Sex in the moan. You ain't no good girl. Good girl, you a bad girl. You ain't no side chick. You know you fine. You would think he would give out. I know. Everywhere. We fucking get some sleep. Wake up and do it. Girl, don't hide that pussy. You should be the type to provide that pussy. And let it look. You ain't gotta get dressed to do that. You're gonna like a 24-house. 24 hours.

SPEAKER_08 3:32

Just my friend, everything's just right.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

I ain't got no swimming. I don't know what it's not like it ain't gonna make a stuff to do this for me and my nigga. And the free like girls gotta stack them like a kiss. I didn't even know what the nigga hold up.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Shut up, shut the shutter. That shit is lovely. Subit of people, welcome back to 80 waits and combo, the music podcast for music fans, by music fans. I'm your man emoji.

SPEAKER_11 7:08

What's poppin'? What you got said?

SPEAKER_04 7:10

And this is episode 21. Do a little espagnol in that motherfucker, man. I like that.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

Yeah, yeah. You guys spinny on these.

SPEAKER_04 7:21

Hey, sis, how you doing, man?

SPEAKER_02 7:23

What's going on? What's going on?

SPEAKER_04 7:24

I've been missing your presence. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 7:28

He's so mushy, guys. Come on.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

I really have been missing you.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

I'm pretty sure the people are like, everybody else. Phone them. Missing me like the people.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Even the people that don't like me, they still miss my presents.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

What you been up to, man?

SPEAKER_02 7:45

They love it here.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

They do. What's new? What's going on?

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Working like a dog. Working like a dog. Damn, then you know.

SPEAKER_04 7:54

How's that been going so far? Um, you know. Same old, same old. Just paying the bells. Yeah. Yeah. Ah. And things.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

And things.

SPEAKER_04 8:04

Sorry, I'm trying to get you these uh.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um I already know.

SPEAKER_04 8:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

But yeah. Yeah. Just the same old regular schmeggala daggala stuff and whatnot. Okay. How's everything going on with you?

SPEAKER_04 8:20

On the flip side. Not new. I know you you came in. It's a bunch of new shit around. As far as furniture.

SPEAKER_13 8:29

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_04 8:29

You know, all the goods and stuff like that. So uh, man. I've been uh updating the crib a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's about it. That's what I've been focused on. Yeah, that's it so far. That's it. Works the same. Maddie's good. Getting bigger, talking more, you know.

SPEAKER_12 8:48

Giving them a run for my money, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:52

Yes. Yep. Yep. Give me a fucking run for my money. Isn't that right? But you know, I I I couldn't ask for anything. Listen. Love that boy.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

I think we we're we're beyond blessed. You know what I'm saying? Of course we are.

SPEAKER_04 9:11

Of course we are. No, but I actually do miss you though. I do miss you. I miss you too. I miss every presence here, man. I miss my uh my bestie, my drinking buddy.

SPEAKER_13 9:19

Like, look, look, look, look. You my treacherous little twin.

SPEAKER_04 9:27

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

And you know it means.

SPEAKER_04 9:32

Sorry, so we're gonna go.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

He needs to stop playing with me. He needs to drop that Iceman shit, man. I don't want to talk about him. I'm not even gonna do it because I'm only gonna, you know, upset myself. Anyway, speaking of Drake. Nah, I ain't got beef with Drake, but I'll tell you who do has beef.

SPEAKER_04 9:51

Who?

SPEAKER_02 9:52

I tell you who does have beef.

SPEAKER_04 9:53

Who that is?

SPEAKER_02 9:56

That nigga Pat man. He out here. Oh man. Yeah, man. He out here, he out here trying to go for the juggle. Oh man. Yeah. Mr. Curtis 50 Cent Jackson.

SPEAKER_04 10:08

Add another one to the fucking list. Add another one to the list. 50 been on fire with the fucking.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

That nigga got shot five times.

SPEAKER_04 10:19

Oh man. And the man had uh you want to that?

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Y'all gotta stop, man. Y'all gotta stop. This shit is becoming redundant at this point. This is um at this point, I don't believe it's all a public uh publicity stunt. You think so? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 10:34

Oh, you don't think so?

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Nah. I think at this point, motherfuckers is just they coming from all angles because motherfuckers is mad at 50.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Why?

SPEAKER_02 10:47

Because of the because of the shit that we talked about last time. Yeah, absolutely. I think I think it has a lot to do with him being the underdog and getting to where he's at, and nobody thought that that was gonna happen, you know. I didn't I he's definitely laughing his way straight to the bank, like he said. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_04 11:08

And then and then and the 50 doing it without even rapping. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

And that and that's why they mad even more, bro. Yeah, no shade, no. Well, this is it's uh it's no shade, but it's a lot of tea. There's a lot of tea, clearly. Damn, yeah, man. The people got me saying that.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

No shame, no tea.

SPEAKER_04 11:29

I I was trying to find out for the likes of me, like, where the hell did this did this stem from? And you know, I forgot 50 had a had a problem with Pap back when Pap was with Remy. With Remy? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Yeah, but I also feel like it didn't pick up from that, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:47

I forgot they had a problem. I I forgot they had an issue with my own.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

I forget what the issue was. What could you refresh my memory?

SPEAKER_04 11:53

The nigga.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

I know that there was an issue after. So wow.

SPEAKER_04 11:57

So once once uh when Pap got married to Remy in jail, or whatever, I think that was like back in 08 or some shit like that. Once she got released, she lost all that weight. Whatever, 50 and in regular 50 cent fashion. Ultimate shit. Shorty had posted something on the gram, I believe, and he had like commented under the picture saying some shit like, damn, like you know, like who that yeah, just pretty much just complimenting her, but like and and and the way 50 would do it or whatever, like you know, he don't he don't really give a shit, but like I think it I honestly think when he said that it was innocent though. And you know, Pat being a Brooklyn nigga he is and being the husband or whatever, like he he he he took heed to that and he didn't he didn't like that at all. So throwing shots at him, yeah, that's what I remember.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

Well, now it appears that it's coming it all derived with the bullshit with Clarissa.

SPEAKER_04 12:53

Then it died down, and now I pick back up with this nigga. Go ahead, yeah. Trolling Clarissa's shields on his own.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

I'm like, I just I just can't I can't make sense of it because it's just like didn't you say Clarissa or knockout pap or some shit like that?

SPEAKER_11 13:11

I mean Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, he ain't he ain't gonna it sound crazy.

SPEAKER_04 13:16

I would argue with 52 if you say my girl can knock me out. But is he lying though? He's not lying.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

That's like that's that's what makes it more funnier because he's lying though, like I ain't gonna lie, Pap, like I mean, like Pap likes dangerous women.

SPEAKER_04 13:34

He likes women that can knock him the fuck out, man.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Yeah, but that that just goes to show how toxic a nigga could be. Like, I just feel like honestly.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

He literally wants a strong woman. Literal strong woman, not figuratively, like what is what's that movie?

SPEAKER_11 13:58

Oh shit. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. Nah.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

Oh man. No, I I don't know. I see I don't want to say no crazy shit, because uh I fuck with Pat, but at the same time, it's just like yo, bro, what is it really giving? Like, what's T, bro? Like, is that really somebody you want to be with, or like, are you benefiting out of this situation?

SPEAKER_04 14:22

Yo, there's so much.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

I'm not saying fine uh, you know, I don't want to say it's financial gain, you know what I'm saying? But but it's just like at the same token, it's just like, what are we really doing out here? Cause it's like, other than like all of this that's going on, I don't really hear Pat making noise, you know? So unless it's shit happening behind the scenes or like I'm just probably looking in the wrong direction. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

You think he's in this relationship just because he he needs like a uh I don't know, but my analogy is just more or less like from the outside looking in, it's like brother man, it don't look good, you know?

SPEAKER_02 15:04

It's not too much motion coming on from inside, so and then not only that, but it's like I don't know what also happened with him and with Remy, but it's just like at the same time, it's like that over Remy. Ha!

SPEAKER_04 15:20

I ain't gonna hold you like Yeah, I'm I'm not gonna say too much about Pat because he literally be at my job all the time.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

But I'm not saying nothing wrong.

SPEAKER_04 15:32

No, you you're not. This is your opinion.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

It's this is just my opinion, and and like I said, I meant what I said, and I'm saying on it. I fuck with Pat, but it's just like bro, like, what are we really doing? Like But Like Do you really love her? Cause like for real, like if you really love her, I bet. Like, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

In all fairness, in all fairness, did you really enjoy that food? In all fairness, in all fairness, I don't think he would have left Remy if Remy didn't fucking cheat. She went easy to block, Captain. Remember that?

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Maybe not. Yeah, I know. I know.

SPEAKER_04 16:10

But then again, we also on our side we we on the outside looking in, so like. We on the outside looking in.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

We don't know what's happening behind the scenes, or we don't know what happened during the time that she sat out for that bitch.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

You feel me?

SPEAKER_02 16:19

Yeah, because he could have cheated, she could've just went been like, alright, nigga, like I know at the end of the day, you a man and she's a real bitch, right? Like, so it's just more or less like no disrespect. But like, a man got needs. Everybody got needs. Yeah. Man or or woman, like it don't matter. You know what I'm saying? Like, she probably getting, you know what I'm saying? She probably getting the top and you know, behind the wall. Like, oh, we know. We don't know. But at the end of the day, it's just more or less like, is that really a happy and safe place?

SPEAKER_11 16:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

And if it is, then what did you want to like move away? Like, and there's not even on no sucker shit, right? Okay. Like, I get it, you're gonna stand 10 toes for your your girl, your wife, whoever. But at the same token, it's just more or less like, is it really that deep for you to have to sit here and go back and forth with a nigga who's not even worried about truth?

SPEAKER_04 17:12

Yeah. Yo, yeah, nigga is definitely not worried about you.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Because you were already so talking about shit that a lot of people already know about. You know what I'm saying? Whether it's facts or it's just a rumor, but until then, yeah. How does that serve you any purpose? Yeah, it doesn't. You know what I'm saying? Like niggas know you can rap, nigga. Like, we know we know that.

SPEAKER_04 17:38

So he he he he dropped that. Wait, how did you feel about that distract?

SPEAKER_02 17:42

The shit over the minimen, and I didn't hear that one. I didn't hear that one.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

I heard the agent provocateur shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Five minutes.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

I feel like it was five minutes too long.

SPEAKER_04 17:55

Oh, you gonna fight.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

It was five minutes too long. And I'm not saying that because I'll fuck with 50 either, but it's like at the same token, it's just like nigga, you could have done like a minute and a half, you know what I'm saying? Nothing too crazy, but he was he was getting sturdy on it. Like he had to he had to keep the shit going. Like he just I I think if if niggas attention spin was not that limited, he probably would have won like maybe like a touch it you know, remix type of lengthy.

SPEAKER_04 18:32

Yeah, oh he's a fucking Yeah, like he needed he needed he needed like a little feature verse, but who who who's gonna give the pap on a song nowadays, honestly speaking.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

That'd be crazy though, I ain't gonna lie. And I feel like that should happen. Like, I don't somebody give this nigga a feature, please, so he could get away from this. My my point is, my point is he just my thing is is just like just take your girl away from the bullshit. Versus Yeah. You know what I'm saying? 50 50 on the troll the next motherfucker right now.

SPEAKER_04 19:07

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:09

He's he's that nigga's on a mission.

SPEAKER_04 19:11

So let me give y'all some context real quick. The beef between the two, or it predates back to when when 50 has supported Terror Squad alumni uh Remy Ma during her 2007 to 2014 prison stint. Pap dated Remy since 04 and married her over the phone in 08. When she was released in 2018, they renewed their vows and they had a child. And then 50 he had comedy, like I said, on a picture of fucking Remy with her newly toned up figure and all that. He was being playful with it, and that c and that's what caused friction between Fifth and Pat for real for the first time. And then Pat responded to 50's baby mother Daphne Joy. And then I think it fell off after that. And now years later, this nigga 50 troll Clarissa Shield on Instagram, and now here we are. So I don't know. I'm wondering why all this beef is just like surfacing now all of a sudden between the Let's Rap About it podcast and then the Harris family. The Addams family. They try to kill that nigga, man. I ain't gonna lie. I and they poking at a bear that's not really trying to like bite right now. Like he he he's he's letting his fucking his motion do the talking for him. He ain't really gotta sit here and rap or do none of that shit. Like, he really don't.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

His presence, his, his, his voice, everything just bothers niggas. Like that nigga breathing is bothering him.

SPEAKER_04 20:50

It's been 20 years and he still gets under people's skin. By doing now he gets on people's skin by doing bare minimum. He's just doing stupid shit. You know what I mean? This ain't like 50 from 20 years ago where he actually would run down on you with G unit. That's when he was scary. Like he was like really, really fucking scary. Now he just trolls, he just throw your fucking life away. And I can appreciate that. Like not now to come to violence, you know what I mean? So I do wonder if that is true that he lied about getting shot nine times. Just to boost his uh I think he said he wanted to be better than Pac or something like that. Like he wanted to get shot more than Pac or some shit like that. That's weird.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

To to be to be remembered.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

That's weird as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

I don't know. You know, a lot of shit is public record, so I guess we could look into that.

SPEAKER_04 21:51

Yeah, public close.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

It should be public record.

SPEAKER_04 21:55

You know what I'm saying? So before you finish that, let me me Play this uh agent provocateur shit. I'ma just play 30 seconds of it.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

Well, maybe not. I'm talking shit because I the hippolos. So maybe not. But who fucking knows?

SPEAKER_04 22:12

Papu's Agent Provocateur.

SPEAKER_05 22:17

Hey, yo, 50, you a bitch, man. He was a crab in the bever with the MM victim. Made him still famous by claiming he was a victim. I got shot nine times. But the two fit he only got shot five times. He lied because he wanted to get shot. Wanted two fat. Blame points. Put you in your face. Put you in your face. Never put in the face.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. First of all, first of all, first of all.

SPEAKER_04 23:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

I had a conversation with one of my co-workers today, actually. Okay. And niggas is talking about talk to me. Like the fact that he was name dropping.

SPEAKER_04 23:47

Yeah, that was bold.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Because I was like, yo, you you think he you think he gonna try to take M out of retirement? Cause you know M got a whole grandson. Haley had a kid, you know, she's married and all that jazz. I know that. You know what I'm saying? Um she kids. Yeah. Yo, no, but seriously, she, you know, like he he in pop-up mode. Like, you know, but for you to even go there, imagine Marshall decides that he's gonna come and play.

SPEAKER_04 24:20

Oh, yeah, don't don't don't wait to sleep in dragon type shit.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

Yeah, like on the strength of his man's, because 50 his men's, you know what I'm saying? So I wouldn't be surprised he come out and you know, responds to it, but on some humble shit, like not even Yeah, M and M do that shit for fun.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

Yeah, like that shit is just target practice then.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

Yeah, but that shit, it could be minor, and I told him, I was like, Oh, you think that you think you're gonna bring MM? He was like, nah. He was like, I'm not gonna respond to that. He was like, for what? Stupidity. And I was like, yeah, and I and I feel like that too. Like, I think that's the only reason why, even though he name dropped, M is not gonna respond to it because it's just stupidity.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

And in my opinion, I don't think M will name I don't think M would respond to uh Pap Poo's for the same fact, for the simple fact that I feel like M and M is he's he's a student of hip-hop, and I feel like he's respected enough to like to like to like recognize another lyricist and to like not even like cross that threshold or whatever. Pap, Pap, I'm not undeniable, like the nigga's nice. No, yeah, absolutely. And I say that shit all the time. He's not like that sleep on him. He's not liking everybody's tape decks and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? The nigga's dead nice though. I'm not gonna lie. And I and I feel like he probably would give him a run. He he give him a run. Like he because Pap ain't gonna let up. Nah. He ain't gonna let up and he ain't gonna back down from no yeah. Eminem, he he's a fucking he he he ain't the one. Like the but Pap ain't gonna back down from that. But I don't think Eminem would jump into that even. Like, I think 50 know what he's doing. You know, but shout out to all parties involved. Like moving along. Yeah, definitely moving along. Swiftly because yeah, very swiftly into the an even nastiest subject, Jesus Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Jesus Christmas.

SPEAKER_04 26:10

Nah, that's not really too nasty, but I just I just couldn't fuck with this nigga with this one. This nigga Boosie. He provided Boosie Badass is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, he provided a list of rappers who who who opt out of protective custody when they were in prison.

SPEAKER_07 26:29

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 26:31

And alright, cool. Like, like, why like why do we even think the comparing thing about prison shit is like cool, like cool. Like, I think the the cool thing is to stay out of fucking prison, right? Right. Like out here bragging, like, oh yeah. So last Thursday, the rapper Boosie, he made a list of about 41 rappers, or 41 people, I should say, because I don't think anybody on the list was rappers.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

Everybody made the take on the show.

SPEAKER_04 26:54

I see Martha Stewart was on that list, too.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

She's a gangster, I ain't gonna hold you.

SPEAKER_04 26:58

So it's about 41 people who didn't take protective custody when they were in prison. And rappers like Meek Mill, he responded, and young Thug responded. Meek responded, his response was geared towards like, oh, why was I left off the list? And then, you know, Boosie corrected it, and then Thug responded. His stance is more like protective custody usually helps when you want to stay out of trouble and avoid more charges. And I can understand why he would say that, you know, dealing with that whole Rico shit or whatever.

SPEAKER_12 27:27

Rico shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:28

If I get fucking caught up in jail smacking a nigga because he says some shit to me or whatever, you they gonna do everything in their power to add that on to my to keep my ass in there for anything that's gonna be. I understood his stance. I understood his stance on that. And and and Boosie kind of flamed him for that. Like, yo, nah, like if you gonna do gangster shit, you gotta just do you gotta stand on it, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 27:49

Cause what's that too that niggas be on some sucker shit.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Regardless.

SPEAKER_04 27:53

And I get that too.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

I understand that too. Cause like he said, it only hurts your credibility as a rapper or a gangster.

SPEAKER_12 28:06

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 28:07

So especially in this industry, and you you talk about all this sh shit, you being in the field, niggas, you know what I'm saying, hustling and doing XYZ, whatever. You know, so I just feel like Ain't nothing wrong with it though. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like with wanting to be in protective custody? Ain't nothing wrong with motherfuckers being in gym pop. Ain't nothing wrong with niggas being in PC. Like I agree with Thugger. I I agree with Slat. Like, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 28:40

Like, yo, listen. You do what you can, man. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

I'm not in there if you're like, it's not even about being scared. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:47

Never scared. Nigga, listen, I fucked up. I'm not going in jail to impress the niggas that's outside. Like, I don't give a listen. I'm a million dollar nigga.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

It's about survival. Yeah. So I've been told. You know what I'm saying? And survival in any way, shape or form.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

Everything you do is fucking survive to see the next one.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

It's just about getting poked up. It's about being this alleged homie case. Like, you know what I'm saying? So much shit going on. Like, I get it. You just try to make you know, touch back down in the town. Like, you're not trying to set up. Like.

SPEAKER_04 29:18

And I I understand that me being a civilian, so obviously my stance is always gonna be on some like, I want to make it home to see my fucking family. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I'm gonna do whatever I do to protect myself and and stay out of harm's way when I'm in prison, whatever. I get that. But but but but and and that's just me being a civilian. But even if I wasn't a civilian, logically, my nigga, I think that makes a lot of fucking sense. Like, like if I'm making millions and millions and millions of dollars or whatever, being an artist or whatever the whatever the case is, and I'm in prison, and I know what can be, I know what niggas is capable of doing to you and then you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I'm gonna fucking go on PC. Yeah, I'm not built like that to be in gym pop, my nigga. And if I was, then I'll just be in gym pop and I can blend in with the homies or whatever. But if I'm not, bro, why why in the fuck would I be in gym pop just to prove something? Like that shit is stupid as hell. Well, I I get I get all parties. I understand it. I understand it. I just I just don't understand. The one thing I don't understand is like why we even like having this conversation. You being you being the OG, why you even having this conversation?

SPEAKER_02 30:33

Well, he was having this conversation really because of Kodak. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you talk about the yak nigga, you know what I'm saying? Like with the whole son right there. Him being PC and Yak. You know what I'm saying? Like him being a stalker. Like sometimes I just feel like Boozy just be crashing out respectfully. Like he be on a tangent, like he be on some other shit. Like he talking about Kodak, Obsestortu, and a whole bunch of shit. Like, and I think that's where that all came from.

SPEAKER_12 31:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

Cause he was like honing in on the fact that which he's Boozy's another troll. This nigga be trolling motherfuckers. Of course. Hell yeah. He be like Charleston White. Like, he be motherfuckers be trolling the old ass motherfuckers ain't got nothing but tongue on their hands. And just sit there and troll people. Like, just because you, you know what I'm saying, this young man had this experience, that don't mean you gotta make it about your experiences and what that translates into and you know who did what and why they did it and why does that matter? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 31:41

Like And let's not forget everybody everybody's story different. Everybody's story different. Everybody's story a little different. So how you how you wrote your story and went about that shit is one thing like with hit Just because you a gangster, that don't mean somebody else gotta be a gangster.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Not every niggas is gonna portray that image because it's gonna be the it's gonna be the scariest motherfucker that's gonna portray that image so that way motherfuckers don't fuck with that person. You know what I'm saying? That's a fact. Excuse my language. I I get passionate. I get passionate, folks, because it's just that's the sucker shit. The sucker shit is just sitting there calling other niggas out on their bluff or calling them out on what they doing versus sitting there being concerned about your own shit and and why your daughter can't stand your ass and why she don't fuck with you and you know what I'm saying, shit like that. And I don't I don't want to be calling out people kids, because that's not what I'm doing, but it's just like worry about family matters versus what the hell's going on outside of the circumference, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 32:45

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

I don't know. I just think that's like boozy, come on, you're too old for this shit.

SPEAKER_04 32:50

So my my thing is okay, Kodak is in jail. So his beef was with Kodak for going in PC or whatever. Cool. Alright. Kodak is a fucking multimillionaire. You know what I mean? I felt like if if if I wanted to stay out of harm's way, and I I don't know, I I feel like I'm repeating myself or whatever. If I wanted to stay out of harm's way, like, so be it. I don't give a fuck. I got the money or whatever, I'm gonna put myself in PC.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

But yeah, yeah, probably really doing that because what Boozy was saying also is just like you was talking about all this shit that you was doing in these songs. You are staying on that, right? So why you going into PC? But like you said, I got I got shit to live for. I got things that I'm trying to do, and I got money.

SPEAKER_04 33:36

I wanna be able to get back out here and get to the bag.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Right?

SPEAKER_04 33:40

So it's strategic. That's how I feel you gotta be yo, you gotta move smart, not you gotta move smart. Yeah, yeah. You gotta move smart. I just I just feel like I know if I'm the type of nigga that like I'll say some stupid shit in in prison and get my shit whacked, paused, or whatever. Like nah, like I I'd rather just put myself in PC or whatever. Look, just look Dave Room, call it a day. Yeah. Or or that, or that, or that, or that. But but I don't know. I don't know. Yak look like he heak look like he would be in gin pop or whatever, but I feel like he's doing this whole PC thing for a fucking reason. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

I feel like there's a reason behind that or whatever. He'd be like uh Crazy Eyes or whatever her name was at Orange New Black.

SPEAKER_04 34:24

What exactly did he go back to prison for? Because I know I know he got that part from Donald Trump, though.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

I can't I can't keep up with him.

SPEAKER_04 34:31

I'm about to look that up, whatever. That's why he got that part.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

The other day they was just talking shit at one of his shows. The crowd was not jacking it. They was asking for a refund. People were asking for refunds because he was late to his the last performance.

SPEAKER_04 34:48

I seen that shit. I seen that shit.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Yeah, your man is just sitting there staggering on the stage.

SPEAKER_04 34:52

Staggering, like a towel over his head. He was hot. Hey, what is like the man need to be in rehab, though?

SPEAKER_02 35:00

I'll be mad too. I ain't gonna hold you. Yeah, he needs help. That boy needs help.

SPEAKER_04 35:04

Yeah, but Boosie's stance on this is if you claim to be a gangster, be a gangster and accept what you signed up for, like, like, like, like general population. But, you know, in my opinion, like I said a million times. Well, first of all, before I even state my opinion, the music industry is a fucking job. And it doesn't and has never gone by the same rules as the streets. So that that I that's that's why I'm standing on what I'm saying right now. Because if I'm a rap artist, my job, my I'm being employed through a record label. So my my job is to like make sure to stay out of jail. Yeah, or if I'm in jail, make sure I don't fucking make sure I'm like buried in there. Like I don't like so I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I need to do to you know protect that and whatever. So like I don't know. But I I understand where Boosie is coming from. Because if you're gonna if you're gonna say the gangster shit and do the gangster shit, you really gotta stay on the shit. You gotta live up to that shit. But I understand why. Okay, yeah. I don't want to stand on that and and and then like fervor, like I I I I could do myself dirty by just standing on that, and then you know they'll never let my ass out. And then, you know, I gotta I got a family and friends that fucking need me. That depend on you, man. That depend on me and you know what I'm saying? So I don't know, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

You sound that damn, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 36:27

Yeah, I just I just feel like Boosie sounds ridiculously simple-minded doing that shit with that coming up with that list. That's stupid. That shit was stupid as hell. You can you can you can kill that. That's fine. Yeah, but um, yeah, I don't think Kodak being scared, I think he's being smart. But that's just my opinion. I don't know what the fuck.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

Who knows? Who knows? I remember what? When he first came home, everybody's like, he's cloned. That nigga was just tweaking.

SPEAKER_04 36:55

They said the same shit about Gucci. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dirt. I'm like, no, that nigga ain't clone, he's sober. Nigga ain't hit the yak in a minute, man. Gucci. Bird.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

Speaking of jail, yo, but shout out, shut out.

SPEAKER_11 37:18

Oh shit. Damn, I don't even want to say it.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

Shout out to Boosie, man.

SPEAKER_11 37:23

Yeah, shut up, shout out, Boosie.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Shout out, we still fuck with you, bro. But it's just like, please, just go worry about the family. And whatever, whatever business pays you. You're we you Louisa, you ain't a legend.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

I don't listen to Boosie, but I haven't listened to Boosie since he first came out. Yeah, like who's youngin'? Okay, I don't I don't know what the fuck he got going on.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

That's what I'm saying. Like, bro, just go over there.

SPEAKER_04 37:49

And I don't listen to Yak either, but I listen to more Yak than listen to Boosie.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

Like, man. I was listening to that nigga, cause I ain't have no choice when I was in North Carolina. Yeah, yeah. That's that shit that was, you know. Oh yeah. You know, little Lil Huey. Hey, baby. Yeah, I remember that shit.

SPEAKER_13 38:12

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Like cry mild and shit, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

Oh, those are the days, man.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

Those were the days. But anyway, speaking of motherfuckers being in the gym.

SPEAKER_04 38:31

Uh-huh. Sorry about that.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

Nah, nah, you good. I ain't gonna lie. You were saying that just brought me back. That just brought me back. It made me think about fucking. Well, what else? What else? 36 Mafia. Listen, all them niggas, like Chameleonaire, Luda.

SPEAKER_04 38:55

Christ almighty, that was a time, man.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

That was a time. Two pistols.

SPEAKER_04 39:01

Two pistols, rich boy.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

Rich boy, young bird, aka hitmaker. Hit maker now, yeah. Now he's hit maker now.

SPEAKER_04 39:09

Yeah. Nah, Youngbird was that nigga, man.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

Nah, he's still that nigga. Hey, sexy ladies.

SPEAKER_13 39:16

It was nice to know, but I gotta move.

SPEAKER_04 39:23

That was a lot of shit, man. Mm-hmm. Hey.

SPEAKER_02 39:32

Yeah, yeah. Nah. But speaking of which. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

Yes, yep, yep. Let's get it.

SPEAKER_02 39:38

Motherfucker setting up. I'm gonna shout out to my man Durkyo, aka Schmerkyo.

SPEAKER_04 39:43

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Man, listen, they out here trying to really, they trying to fry that man.

SPEAKER_04 39:48

They trying to do that nigga in, man.

SPEAKER_02 39:50

They they doing my man dirty. They doing them dirty. What's going on? Bro, so recently, um, I came across. Alright, where do I even begin? Because this shit is crazy. Like, I I just can't make sense of it. So trial begins on April 21st. He's been setting up for 721 days, fam. God damn. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:17

Well over a year.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

He's been setting up. He's been setting up, bro. With no bond, right? Well no bond, bro. That's fucking. No bond. No bond. Because excuse me, prosecutors is trying to use thus far from what's been cleared. Two tracks. I know that there was a list I saw circulating on the web, but two tracks supposedly that's that's that's been cleared is Who Wants Smoke and Aha. Okay. And and what they're doing is that they're using this as an intent.

SPEAKER_04 40:51

Both of them shit's a heat.

SPEAKER_13 40:53

Aha!

SPEAKER_04 40:56

Wait, who wants smoke? That was a Dirk song? Yeah. I thought that was Nardo Wick. You didn't hear that shit? Yo, put that shit on. No, no, but I know I know the song, but I thought that was a Naruto Wick's song.

SPEAKER_02 41:06

If I'm not mistaken, I think that's featuring. I think he's a feature or some shit.

SPEAKER_04 41:09

Yeah, he is on a song, but that's not his song. That's what I'm saying. That's Naruto Wick's song. Yeah, but he's a feature. That's what I'm saying. They they nah they dragging it, bro.

SPEAKER_11 41:19

Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 41:19

They dragging it. Gangster. They dead dragging it. Cause now I'm about to do the reason. Nah.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

So they're using this shit as an intent for motive for an alleged connection to a murder for higher plot.

SPEAKER_07 41:31

Who won't smoke me? Nigga, who won't smoke me?

SPEAKER_04 41:37

We gotta go to Dirk Verse.

SPEAKER_10 42:05

Don't forget I've got the metal with the full.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

I don't see how this is a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Niggas die for puppet gas. Cause we don't know what we don't know what they're making that correlation to. There could be evidence. You know what I'm saying? There could be motherfuckers that we don't that's probably nobody's to us, right? And when I say us, like the regulars, the the fucking the civilians, the fans, the listeners, we don't know shit about what's really going on over there from unless you from OBLAC, you from you from 63rd, you from wherever the fuck. You know what I'm saying? Like shout out to Sha Town, you know what I'm saying? Like we don't know. We don't know. They could probably be making connections with certain lyrics that are being used in this in these songs to crimes that probably already occurred. You know what I'm saying? And that that could be a correlation, and that's probably why. I mean, put put aha on. And and I mean and I don't want to say like I'm I'm I'm just trying to hear like on some federal shit, respectfully. How does that even be?

SPEAKER_04 43:39

Okay, because the they saying these songs, right? They they they saying these songs are supposed to be like all right. First of all, he's being hell for bond for the f for a federal charge for murder for hire. Murder for five. What's this nigga name? Quando Rondo. I'm trying to listen to these songs and hear. Weird that he's saying he's gonna get somebody lined up or something like that. I didn't hear that and that's I don't let me listen to aha first. I didn't hear that in his verse in that fucking song at all. I didn't hear anything like that, that he's gonna body anybody, anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 44:13

I don't know. I just hope that he beat the shit, bro. I ain't gonna hold you. Cause like you're gonna just be a replica of your pops, bro. Like, like, and I don't want to say it like that. Like, is your story gonna be play out the same way? I mean, he did say it in the song.

SPEAKER_04 44:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

A couple of times, you know? Yeah. And and I hate that for you, because it's like, bro, like, the tongue is a powerful thing. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like, you speak resistance. Whoa, that shit is lethal. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_04 44:46

I just hope that that's not the case for bro. For sure, man. I don't know why the song is not playing, but shit. Fezz is listening.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

They tuned in right now. You ain't gonna hold you. Uh shit. He's like, what you know about this? Shit not playing. I don't know why. Maybe there's a reason. Maybe there's a reason.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

Yeah, I don't know. We'll figure it out. But um if he get found guilty, he faces life in prison.

SPEAKER_02 45:21

Yeah, like that's wild.

SPEAKER_04 45:25

He get life in prison.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

That's just too much.

SPEAKER_04 45:27

Like, hey Tory, like oh man. Like they trying to do Dirk dirty, man. They've been pushing that trial back mad. They push that shit back mad times.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

Mad times, mad times.

SPEAKER_04 45:39

Damn, and the nigga Quando Ronald ain't even get even get bodies.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

Nah, but you know who just joined um Dirk's uh legal team? Who? Brian Steele.

SPEAKER_04 45:54

Dirk and six. This shit is over. It's over.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

So you know, let's make this miracle happen, B, because this this shit is getting a little out of control at this point. I just hope that, you know, because April is right around the corner. Nah, Dirk and Six, bro. I'm saying these ain't gonna violate and adjourn this shit again, like push it back. Like, no more delays. Let's just cut this shit on the line.

SPEAKER_04 46:22

Nah, it's over. Dirk and six. Trying to tell you something, man. I'm trying to tell you something without telling you nothing. I don't know, bro. Nah, this is weird. Nah, I ain't gonna lie. Like, why why this shit not playing? I'm really trying to play the song.

SPEAKER_12 46:40

I don't know. I don't know. You why you ain't trying to tube? Try on tube.

SPEAKER_04 46:46

No, it's just not uh it's not even the app itself, it's the fucking uh device. Oh shit. Oh shit. Always always, but anyway, Dirk man, like free you. Definitely free that man. Mr. Banks Mr. Oh yeah, his last name is Banks. That's a fact. That's a fact, that's a fact, that's a fact. I feel like I have more to say about that, but I guess I don't. Damn. I guess I don't. But yeah, that that that'd have been crazy though, man. Free that man. Free that man. And and and and rest in peace to King Vaughn, man. He got unaloved back in 2020. Don't push it. All this shit is senseless, you know what I'm saying, man.

SPEAKER_09 47:35

Like, fuck it.

SPEAKER_04 47:36

Vaughn was scary. I feel like I can say that now. Six years later. Vaughn was a scary guy, man. I'm not gonna lie. He wasn't like physically intimidating, but for some reason, I just felt like that man meant business, bro. It's something about Chicago niggas, man. Niggas are very niggas with a shadow. Very, very good. It's something different. I don't know what water, what kind of water they're drinking out there. I don't know, bro. It's something about them, it's something. Okay, Gurny. I don't know. I seen I was looking at a uh a clip. Forest Park. Oh man. I was looking at a clip of these these white boys. They went to O Block and they went to go play like cherry knock on people's doors and shit. Nah. Now usually I'm I'm pretty sure if you do that in New York, you you you get a reaction, but nobody's gonna really OD, like, you know what I'm saying? They nah. These boys knocked on these niggas' doors. These guys ran down on them, like, yo, you can't be doing that shit out here. Like just and then robbing them in the process, too. I was like, yo, yo. Yeah, man. Like, nah. Oh, it's a prank. Nah, let me get this hat. Let me get these sneakers. That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 49:07

You ain't gonna come over here to sweep shit, nigga. Ain't shit sweet.

SPEAKER_04 49:12

And as far as your content creators, y'all gotta stop doing weird shit like that, bro.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Nah, yeah, going into places and spaces is just I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_04 49:19

That shit is detrimental. Like, I don't y'all take shit like that too lightly. Yeah. Until you get clipped, bro. I'm telling you. Yeah. I don't know. They think O Block is some type of fucking like some fantasy land or something like that, bro. Like, that shit is crazy, man.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

So I just made it to O Block. Yeah, alright. You gonna make it out?

SPEAKER_04 49:38

Nigga, yeah. You act like you just seen a Statue of Liberty, my nigga. These niggas tell you how dangerous this block is all the fucking time.

SPEAKER_02 49:47

That's the problem. Nothing like nothing, nothing like educational or material like is intriguing anymore. Nothing, nothing about it is enticing or exciting. Motherfuckers is getting more of an arousal and and excitement and I hate people and fucking adrenaline rush off of doing things that they know they have no business doing.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

That's that's so that's social media got these motherfuckers gasped up on a whole nother level. Everybody wanna be fucking famous when they want to do it in all the wrong ways. They look at the most they if they think those ideas are original, it's egregious for sure. Like you want to get fucking bodied. Don't go to Old Block, do not go to the swap meet in Cali. Don't do none of that dumb shit. Don't go to the fucking, don't go to Rucker Park in New York. Don't don't don't I don't know. Don't go to no don't go to Highbridge, don't do none of that weird shit, and then start acting weird, bro. Like it's stupid. Think it's shit sweet, bro. Because you're gonna find the one person that's gonna not give a fuck at all and gonna want to go back to jail.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

And unfortunately, because we don't want to say it like that. We don't want to encourage violence, none of that.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

Like maybe them transplants, bro. I niggas is too weird, man. Yeah, I don't know, man. And I'm not gonna blame transplants either. Because it'd be these dumb ass kids in this generation, too. I just think y'all bulletproof of some shit, man. I don't know what the fuck. People are on hinge, bro.

SPEAKER_02 51:15

No, it's just something in the water.

SPEAKER_04 51:17

It definitely is.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

I think it's everything that's going on in this world. I think, like I said, I feel like COVID has brought the crazy out of everybody. All that shit that niggas was trying to contain for so long, it finally has come to the surface and everybody is on some other shit. Like if that ain't the goddamn god on the show. Yeah, motherfuckers is out here tripping. Tree. Speaking of speaking of people tripping, let's really talk about it because you know, a lot of people, there's there's some people saying he's tripping, and there's some people saying nah, he's pretty nice. Okay. But Jack Harlow, this is we're gonna we're gonna have to have a conversation. Because I'm sorry, baby boy. You ain't John B, baby. You ain't vanilla ice, baby. I thought you had another subject. Nah, nah, I had to I had to proceed and walk on this because it's just like so ladies and gentlemen, joining album reviews now. Yeah, sorry about that, folks. I just I just had to delve right into this because it's just I got a lengthy No, I don't have I don't have bad things to say and nor negative. Same.

SPEAKER_04 52:34

But I got constructive criticism.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

Yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. I think that you we're gonna start off with the interviews. The interviews.

SPEAKER_04 52:43

Yeah, you do that.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Oh, like, you know, like don't quote me verbatim. Like, I'm not gonna say whatever he said, verbatim. However, the whole like like this the black, the blackest, like that he's ever been. Like that's what he said. Or some shit like is that how he said it?

SPEAKER_04 53:04

He's yeah, something to that effect.

SPEAKER_02 53:07

Or sound, and it's just like, who are you? Like Yeah, yeah. It's it's talk to him. You know, like I I just feel like sometimes we just gotta read the room. And we gotta sit back and think about the things that we're gonna say before we start. I don't think Jack knows how to read.

unknown 53:26

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 53:28

I don't think nobody asked for this fucking album, bro. Like, nobody asked for this pivot. I think that he had no choice but to do it. You think he's doing it because he's trying to get out of his deal with uh DJ Drama?

SPEAKER_02 53:39

That could be a thing, but I also feel like sabotage his career. Um maybe. Motherfuckers ain't take notes from Frank Ocean, but that's neither here there. Frank Frankie did it the right way. However, I just feel like if you did it because you were either doing that or trying to appease the crowd, because this is what I think. This is this is my theory. He said himself, it was like Drake school. Like, alright, I learned all this shit from Drake and I picked up on it. Uh, you know, I was inspired, all of that, right? Okay, cool. But be your own person, you know what I'm saying? I feel like what you were gunning for, it didn't happen, and then you're trying to translate it and you're trying to tailor something that you're not. Like you you try to make wave and space for yourself in that lane, and this it just doesn't suit you. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 54:42

There's no room for you in that lane.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Nah, like stick to what you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 54:46

That lane even exists anymore.

SPEAKER_02 54:47

No, but no, it's coming back. But my thing is just like it's not for you. It's not for you. I think that he needs to stick to what he was doing before. I feel like he said that this was more authentic. This was the real, like, this was just a different side of him, more of like on the creative side. He said that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

Man, let's cut this shit, bro. Let's cut this shit.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

I I feel like he said that the part of it was like this being like him being himself versus like the fuck out of here. What that's himself, like in the sense of I'm not gonna say like I'm not gonna say this the sound. I think the shit that he was talking in in the songs, and that may be true. Okay, that may be true. Those experiences in each track, okay. That could be true. It's about the actual lyrics, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, all right. That could be true.

SPEAKER_04 55:45

All right, you know, I'll give you that. Maybe I misinterpreted what he was saying. I'll give you that, but why do you feel the need to translate it that way?

SPEAKER_02 55:52

Because I feel like that's probably part of the the deal. Like he had no choice but because maybe it wasn't working out to begin with when he first as I was stating previously, I kind of drifted away from it. I think that what it is is that he came in presenting one thing, right? It didn't work, yeah, it flopped, yeah, and it's just like, all right, let me just rebrand myself, right?

SPEAKER_04 56:20

Not a rebrand, god damn. Let it be experimental, not a rebrand.

SPEAKER_02 56:24

I don't know. I feel like he's running with this. I don't think it's about promo or none of that shot.

SPEAKER_04 56:36

I'm sorry to cut you off, but at some point I feel like Drake, because I feel like he's trying to get away from Universal, that he stopped really putting too much into his music, then he just started doing whatever.

SPEAKER_02 56:47

Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 56:47

And when you sent me those notes saying that he took inspiration from Drake and his artist development and all that shit like that, that's the first thing I thought about. Like, okay, Drake is trying to somewhat not sabotage his career, but he's just trying to put out bullshit so he can get out of his fucking deal or whatever, whatever. Jack, on the other hand, and it's like, no, like you just complete 180. Like, yeah, he don't have the means to you didn't like kind of like like feed us a little bit of that. Like you just gave us a whole project of like like what the fuck? Like, no, like, like, like, we even know you were going that direction.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

Like, to like to lead up to that.

SPEAKER_04 57:24

Yes, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, you gave us nothing like lead up to that. Like, yeah, nobody knew you were going that direction.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

And that's why I feel like everybody strolled off.

SPEAKER_04 57:32

Like all the way.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

I'm saying, like, all the way.

SPEAKER_04 57:36

It was not gonna lie, that's the most confusing pivot of his career.

SPEAKER_02 57:41

I just think it was odd. It was odd because, like, yes, I saw him on some, like, you know, the cool white boy, you know.

SPEAKER_04 57:49

I like Harlow.

SPEAKER_02 57:50

I like him too. That's why it threw me for a loop.

SPEAKER_04 57:54

I was just do your Harlow shit confused. Not this brown sugar shit you're trying to do. Not that. Not that, puppy. Not that. Not that. I'm gonna get my assessment. I'm I'm gonna be fair, like, to be fair, the production is fire. Fire. I like the production, it's fire, it's nostalgic, and it and it feels like it could be authentic. The samples are warm, instrumentals, the instruments are live. Yeah, it's giving real like grown man vibes, man. So sonically, he's in a he's in a good pocket. Like I said, the problem start with me here, is like who the fuck told Jack Harlow he could sing. That's for one, for a whole album. And uh, I'm not saying he sound bad, but that that's a lane where you gotta really compete with people who really live there. You know what I mean? Like, you're not like you're not an RB artist, bro. You're you're a rapper or whatever. Like, and I I really feel like you should take that craft with a little more finesse. You gotta treat it with a little bit more finesse, a little bit more seriousness. Like, don't do that on your first project. Even Drake himself, who is not an RB artist, he has even taken lessons and like home, like, like perfecting his voice and and his his tone and all that shit like that. Like, so he he has a respect for that craft or whatever. Jack, you're not really singing, like you just use I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

Now you're not there yet, but yeah, you're not there yet. You're not there yet.

SPEAKER_04 59:17

I I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 59:18

And at this point, I don't know if you're gonna even be able to make it there because now the question, the real question is, is that audience even gonna like are you attracting that audience or are they saying like nah, what is he doing? Like, nah man. I don't know, but they was roasting this man. I just want you to know. They was roasting him all on X, baby. Man, they was going on a that was going on a rant, you hear me? They was going on a rant. They're out here flaming this man.

SPEAKER_04 59:54

Damn, my bad. Yeah, I seen that all the fucking the nicknames you got nicknames and shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:00

You got you got Music Stow Chow.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:02

Music Snow Chow, you said that's funny as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:05

No, Stow Chow. Music Stow Chow.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:07

I'm dead.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:08

Another one is disingenuine. Most definitely not.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:14

Most definitely not.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:16

Brian McWay.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:17

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:19

IRS one please breathe. Survive. IRS one nigga said dress like LL Cool Whip.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:33

L Cool Whip.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:35

Jamie Fawkes. That's oh, that's fucked up. Tone deaf. Proud boys the men.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:45

Most meth.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:47

Proud boys the men.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

Cream Latifa. No way. Knife Wonder Bread. That's fucked up. Luca Vandros. Ghost Face Vanilla. Ghostface Vanilla is my favorite now. Anthony Scaminton. I can't.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:04

I just can't. I can't. Oh. You just can't make this shit up.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

You can't make this shit up.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:10

I got questions though.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:12

What? Talk to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:13

Like pulling over stunt like this, like you heard the album, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:18

Yeah, I heard the album.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

I just want to know, like, what are the big moments in the music? Who told you you should do this? And why? And then those are my only questions. I just want to know why you I really know why you want to do this. I don't there's not one track on here that I got I felt the need to like run back immediately.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:42

Yeah, me neither.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:44

Not one track. Me neither. There's no quotables. No. There's this this one.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:50

I think the only song that I if I'm being honest, and to be fair, damn. The album just float. Hold on, yeah, it does what I even downloaded.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:00

Hold on. Oh, damn. That's how I know it's real.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:03

Oh no, hold on, hold on. But but I love I love the the album name, Monica.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:11

I've I've I got I got I got a problem with that album title.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

Why, because of Monica?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:17

I know how Jack Harlow plays around so much. He play around too fucking much. He hangs around Drewski's ass too fucking much. So I think somewhere down the line, my nigga. I just said the album title. My nigga. Monica. Yeah, alright.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:39

I feel like you put too much thought into it now.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:41

Nah, nah, nah, nah.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:42

Come on.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:43

Nah, nah, nah. I feel like somewhere in that somewhere in there is a try to take it there. It's a fucking secret joke. I wasn't trying to take it there. It's a secret joke with that. I'm telling you. I'm trying to tell you. Alright, alright. My real issue with the Monica album is it's not bad. It's not trash. It's just it's too safe to be great. And it's too different to be comfortable.

SPEAKER_12 1:03:09

Okay. Alright.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:11

Like that's fair. That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:14

You gotta.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:16

I feel like he should have just done continue doing what he did, but like just like got better at what he was doing already. Not like go a whole complete 180. But I think that's what it means. She just got through saying that he was inspired by Drake's career and the artist development, and that's what made him go the direction yet. But I don't hear Drake on the Browns. Don't this this this whack shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

So there's no outstanding track?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:44

I have a track that I like.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:46

Okay, which one? Which one? Which one? I want to see if you like the one. He trying to make me look bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:56

I mean, you seem like the bad guy. All of my friends. All of your friends? All of my friends. Okay. Not all of my friends. All of all of his friends. Alright. Alright.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:08

I like that one too. That's the one you like? That was the one, but I like that one too. It's alright. It's alright. God damn. I'm against the green. Against the green? Mm-hmm. I felt like I low-key kind of like, I felt him on that. Like I was, okay. Kind of made a little connection to it. I ain't gonna fake the funk. You know what I'm saying? Make it sound good. Be honest. But yeah, yeah, that's that's that's as far as we're going.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:40

Okay. Hey man. Listen. Hey man, say man. I I'm yeah, what the fuck is going on? This shit crazy. Here we go. Alright. I'm really this shit's bugging out, man. I don't know what's going on with this fucking phone right now. They don't want to let us be great. Yeah, they definitely don't. There's always some bullshit happening with with with technical difficulties.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

Especially when we we we we touched.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:09

Right in the middle of a fucking episode, like for real. But how do you do you feel like if he tightened his sound up and if he got like like like like more confident vocally, like it's it'll work?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:24

He still got some work to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:26

He got a lot of work to do. Like I said, you ain't no John B. And John B only had two popping ass songs that nigga still sing.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:35

Yeah. And I only know one. That's that one. Don't listen to what even that is like. And are you still down? That's not like Neo Soul. And like, are you still down? Like Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With two pops. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:52

Only once in a lifetime, touch mm hmm. Go slow, baby boo, don't rush the flow.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:57

Hey. Hey. I like I like Jack Harlow's Jack Man better than this album. That Jack Man album was fire.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

Yes, because that was more him. That was more him.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:08

That was definitely more him.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:10

I feel like that, that, that's you know what I'm saying? Like, just stay stay true to that. Stick to what you know and what the people are are used to. Right. But I think that's the that and I think that's I I kind of feel like I sound hypocritical saying it like that. Cause it's like everybody wants to like grow, right? Like nobody wants to stay stagnant. So I take that back. But at the same token, it's just like, bro, like that don't mean you have to like float away, like, and do go into like a whole nother, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:46

I get you.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:47

In a whole different mind feel, my nigga. Like, that's just not what it is. It's not I don't know. I don't know, bro. I've been trying to do that. If you see, if you see the potential, cool. Love that. For everybody that fully 100 and 10% supports him, the way I support Drake.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

You know what I'm saying? Like support Drake. I get it. But bro, this is not the time. You gotta leave shit like that to like black or burn fires. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:28

Some real heavy weights, nigga. Yeah, some real, some real ones, some real rights, nigga.

SPEAKER_12 1:07:33

I ain't even trying to be funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:34

Like respectfully. I don't know. Right now I feel like Monica's like a transition album to me. Like he's halfway in the RM pool, but he's still got one foot on the rap side, but not fully committed. He needs to not piss me off. My final verdict. I respect the risk and the fake growth. Cause I don't think this is him growing into something. I don't think this is.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:00

Well, this is him playing patty cake, nigga.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:04

That's what this was. I'm not spinning this heavy. I know I'm pretty sure nobody else really is because it doesn't come, it doesn't come off as genuine. It's a good attempt. I'm gonna give it a five point five out of ten. Solid, but it's not sticking. Like, you know. I'm gonna get I'll give it a five and a half.

SPEAKER_12 1:08:31

Are you waiting for my rating or something? That's just in there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:34

What you got? I don't think y'all want to know. Oh man. Yeah, cuz if if it's it's not that it's that bad. I just I can't. Man, I don't know. I don't know. I uh maybe for the next episode or two. Give me some time, y'all. We can revisit this conversation. Cause I I gotta keep listening to the album. I'm gonna download it this time though. I'm gonna make some I'm gonna make waves. Don't download it, just stream it. No, I'm gonna I'm gonna make space for my man. I'm gonna make space because like I said, I I appreciate his work prior. And I and I appreciate this too, because it's like you you took a chance on yourself. So I applaud I commend you for that, you know. Not everybody has the cojones to do step out of their fucking comfort zone. You know what I'm saying? Like, so you know, big up to you. I wish you all the best. And if it doesn't work out, just go back to who you used to be.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:30

Or just go back to who you used to be. Just just just take a shortcut, just go straight there. Bust the Yui. Just just go straight there. You know, go past, just go right past go. Just go just go straight back to who you used to be.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:47

And speaking of busting Uis.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:55

EP, I don't know. Yeah. I appreciate it also, but at the same token, it's just like next. Now I'm I'm gonna like shout out to my niggas from High Bridge.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:07

I love A Boogie, man. We've been listening to A Boogie for like 10 years now. So I'm gonna I'm this this ain't even an album, this is an EP. So and EPs are more like temperature checks.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:17

Six tracks, 18 minutes, it's a quick in and out, right? So I've been listening to Boogie since hoodie season. And if you know anything about A Boogie, right? If you know anything about A Boogie, it's like melodic pain, smooth trap beats, toxic love vibes all over the fucking music or whatever. But that's also my problem with this fucking EP. He's still in the same fucking pocket. The production is clean, it's emotional, it's easy to ride to, but I'm gonna be honest, there's like zero reinvention here. It's just classic A-Boogie, and that's my that's my only issue with that. But like we heard this version of him for almost 10 years now. We want more. We want more. Say the very least. Cause right now, right now, you're not like A-Boogie from 10 years ago. You're like the vet in the Bronx now, you know what I'm saying? So we could we kind of want to hear way more what you have to offer, and not just you crying over some ex-girlfriend that you used to fucking like you've been using this girl as a subject for 10 fucking years. No, it's not even the same bitch.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

It's now we're talking about Ella.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:23

He's not talking about Ella no more because it sounds like he's still talking about Ella to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:26

No, he's talking about Ella, yes, but I'm saying, like in the past, he was talking about some other chick. Oh. You know? Oh. With the bitch assness, like he gotta he gotta elevate somehow.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:40

I just don't know how he was able to do that though.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

I feel like he he will, like, and he has, you know, with doing features and shit like that. He he steps out of that because, like, alright, if I'm asking you to be on a feature, I need you to stop with the like, I don't want you to stop being you per se, but I want you to like kind of stray away from you know crying about a bitch. Because right now we need to focus on this bag, and we need to focus on this work and what we're trying to like how we're trying to paint this picture, you know what I'm saying? My nigga, like it's 10 years later.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:15

You are rich as shit. Why are you still crying over these women right now? For real. Like, like, like switch it up, bro. There's way too much talent in Hodridge, bro. See, and this is why with the before artist, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go crazy on the before artistry because it's an EP. It's more like a mixtape in my sense. Yeah, but I'm giving it grace because I'm gonna take it for one of two things. It's either a playlist of leftover boogie songs, or it's just a warm-up for something bigger.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:41

Yeah, that could be, because that's usually what he does. He'll come out. This is his formula all the time. He'll drop singles, he'll drop little, you know what I'm saying? Yes, but please, something switching up. Switch it up, switch it up. That's all fascinating.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:56

But that's why I'm not I'm not all the way mad at it because I he always does like a before project before he actually put out the actual project. Like he's been doubling down on that. That's what made him successful for the whole time. Like, he's been doing this formula forever now. Like, he's always up a formula on a project and then it's the actual project.

unknown 1:13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:15

I ain't got really much to say to it. I you had a favorite song from that?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:20

I wouldn't say favorite song, but I do like um uh so odd to say the very least. I like red light with trippy red. Yeah, but trippy, yeah. And then show me something real. Show me something real. I was fucking with He actually sampled one of these tracks.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:47

I think it's something like he sampled them.

SPEAKER_12 1:13:49

Which one was it? Was it Glitching? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:54

I fucked with PGD, party and get drunk with Zeddy Will and Kyle Rich.

SPEAKER_12 1:13:58

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. You wanna you wanna plug that up? If you want me to.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:07

Yeah, we've been we've been trying to play the music a lot. Uh you know what? I'm gonna just add it into the fucking episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:11

We're having technical difficulties, but anyway, that's besides the point. I think y'all yeah y'all understand. Y'all get the picture.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:18

I'll I'll insert the songs, you know, in in the middle of this shit. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:24

And all that, all that. All that all that um yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:31

Uh I think the project is is smooth, it's easy to listen to, but my only down side about it is just it's familiarity. It's too familiar. It's it's just sound like the same old A-Boogie over and over again. And ironically, that's what Jack lacked. Because we feel like we wanted to hear Jack in his original format and not do nothing new. And yet, A Boogie, we need him to do something new and not sound like the original A-Boogie. It's not trash, but it's also not growth. And that's just my problem with it. Like, you can't be a 10-year vet and still sound the same as your rookie year. Like, that's just I don't think anybody should be doing that. Like, you should definitely be focused on trying to like a uh uh transition to something bigger or better. I lean into it now.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:26

I'm gonna give it a six. You're gonna give it a six?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:29

I'm gonna give it a six.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:29

I give it a six.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:30

I'm gonna give it a six.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:32

I give it a six. That means you got twelve.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:38

You got a dozen, nigga. Fucking man. Yeah. Good for the fans, but if you were looking for evolution, you were not getting that shit here. And that's for goddamn show. You're definitely not getting that here. Now, this is weird because I usually do outro music. And doesn't look like I can do that right now because we got technical difficulties, man. And Astro is hella noise in the fucking background.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:12

Making his presence be known.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:14

Making it really be known, man. Nah, seriously. We might not have to play no fucking outro music this yep, so I see that. It's weird. I don't like it. I don't like that either. Like, I guess this is like it feels weird as hell. Like, that was like a pre maybe not even want to do the outro at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:33

It makes you I feel like this is like preparing us for like whenever we start filming.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:39

Film will be way different though. It's this shit. I'm just like this Zoom hot track shit, man. Is always something with this shit right here. Is that that's all it is, man? Everything else with the video, the video, uh video. I do that. That's that's easy.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:56

No take backs.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:57

No take backs, I'm dead. And grab and go, grab and go. When we do video anyway, music can't really go on there anyway. So unfortunately, unless we like yeah, the visuals will be set, it'll be set list less. I don't know what the fuck you saying. Well, yeah. Anyway, folks, you you I don't know, you want to play a song off your fucking phone?

SPEAKER_11 1:17:28

This yo, this man is salty right now. How about your next episode? This shit gonna work too. So bad right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:38

No, you just yeah, he's temp is gonna Timpa's gonna play an out uh an outro song through her phone, through the mic. Right now. Just get all her shit, man. All right, fam. That's a rap on this line. It's like shit, though. Yo, three pieces of fight. Always show up and show out. Don't let down close your judgment and never let emotions drive your decisions. Right. This is a way to compliment. I'm emoji. Evil Girls up, yo. Sounding off. Skirt, skirt, that's the one. Catch out the next frequency. You put the play up last year, but that's it up. That's it.

SPEAKER_13 1:19:06

That's the meaning.