Sanctification: The Process No One Talks About

What does it really mean to be sanctified—and why does it feel so uncomfortable?

In this episode, we unpack a word that kept showing up in our lives: sanctification. What started as a simple question turned into a deeper conversation about growth, obedience, marriage, business, and the refining process God walks us through.

We talk about what it means to be set apart, how God uses seasons (and even discomfort) to shape us, and why growth often requires doing things we don’t want to do. From personal stories to real-life application, this episode is about learning to trust God in the process—even when it’s hard.

Sometimes the shift isn’t loud—it’s a quiet decision to do things a different way than you did yesterday. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:02

S A S T T freak people out.

SPEAKER_03 0:10

T I O N. What is it? Spell? Sanctification. Maybe. Yeah, something like that. Maybe that's what that's spelled. We were sitting in therapy and I was describing to my art therapist about the process that I think I'm learning that I was in in my alone time when my husband was away in prison. And they're really gonna think I was in prison. Just kidding. And she said the word sanctification. I was like, that's it. And so I think we're definitely entering into this season of it seems like sanctification. So I'm just we're trying to learn what that is exactly because it really hit me in my chest, my soul, and my spirit, and this is what it is. And it seems like it is.

SPEAKER_06 0:57

The more we learned, because like I already had my basic understanding of what I think it means, and then the more that like learning about what it actually means, it is kind of like one and the same. So I'm like, all right, I'm glad I was had a basic understanding of what I thought it meant. Which is um just kind of like purifying, making things new, um, kind of like rubbing the dirt off.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Always, though. So I I always thought it was like seasons, and it can be, it can be you can go through intense, but like to stay in constant sanctification. But I was thinking when I pray over my food, we pray like I pray a very religious prayer when I pray over my food. Thank you, Lord, for this food, bless it, sanctify it, make it nutritious to my body in Jesus' name. We pray, amen. And that was a prayer that we would pray growing up. And I was like, sanctify my food. Like, the more I learn about it, I'm like, what am I even doing and what am I saying? Sanctify my food. I feel like it doesn't really apply with you know, like why would I just I'm saying things, I don't even know what that means. But I'm leaning more towards like, can you sanctify your this hamburger in front of you? Is that a real thing? It's such a heavy, deep word that I don't need to apply it towards this these chicken nuggets. But anyways, that's where I'm at right now. So it's putting me in a place, it's just crazy how God's so funny. He's like, actually, we're gonna start with his prayer. You really need to know what you're saying. It's way deeper than that. And he's to apply to you, change your prayer. Then it led me into this like you better learn how to pray a little bit better. And so now I'm, you know, but um, so yeah, but that could be like what you're going through right now, the sanctification.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

So, what does it mean?

SPEAKER_03 2:44

Like we just like gamble.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Is it just to make clean?

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Pretty much become yeah, become more becoming more like Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Becoming like that.

SPEAKER_06 2:58

But in order to in order to do that, you gotta go through this process kind of a thing. Like a rebirthing through sanctification.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

Yeah, but made new, like made new, but constantly.

SPEAKER_06 3:09

And sometimes I don't think it's like an end, like a destination. It's like a journey. Renewal. Yeah, it's like ongoing.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:16

Right.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

That's been one word literally, I feel like it pops up somehow, somewhat, every week this year since January started for me. And my company is called Renewed Home.

SPEAKER_03 3:25

Yes. Like And it's renewing you.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

It is renew it really is renewing you.

SPEAKER_03 3:30

He's using it to renew because that's where he has your attention. In the desert. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 3:38

So right here in our eye. Yeah, never my eye.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Sanctification at its core simply means being made holy, set apart for God, and gradually becoming more like Him. Sanctify equals to set apart. Very special, sacred purpose. That's interesting, because for me, to be clean and to be set apart are two completely different things. Like they can be the same. Like to be set apart can be through the process of being clean and made holy. But like I can set this phone apart over here and doesn't mean I'm cleaning it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 4:18

So it's wait, it said to be clean and set apart?

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Being made holy, set apart for God, and gradually becoming more like Him.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

And you're thinking you're saying that those are two separate, I mean, those are separate things. Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

So because with semantics, with figuring out what a word means that we're using, there is how is it being used in context normally, and then there's how is it what does it literally mean? And then it's okay, if we're using sanctification in a biblical context, well, what's the Greek word, or what's the Hebrew word, and then what's that word mean? Or what's Webster say? Which is the English. So it's like how many degrees separated are we from the original thing that we're actually talking about? But I think set apart for God seems to be what that word means at its core. So how does that change anything as far as your perspective?

SPEAKER_03 5:19

No, it's exactly but what does that mean though, too? And I guess the answer is like you'll never fully know, just go and to honor it and to keep looking into it. But I just feel like in our marriage in particular, we're rumbling and something's about to explode. In what? In our marriage. It's particularly in our marriage. And obviously it starts with us individuals as individuals first. This is not in a a bad thing. It's like a level, we're about to level up. Like a new birth. And we've done it before. So when I think about it, I think we've done it. We did it when I say it, I'm thinking of the sanctification, but so like you do do it daily, you should do it daily, but like there are times where you just like where it's more intentional. Yes. I did and I I did that while you were away. I was like, do have whatever you want. Or before. From August to January 21st. And I feel like that happened. And I know that it happened because when you now that you're home, God's like, we're not finished. Now it's both of you. So like he did it with you separately. He did it with me separately. And then now we're together, and now we can go through the rest of it separately. So go through a sanctification and then walk in the sanctification. So we're like so we're like walk now.

SPEAKER_06 6:51

It's like put it in practice almost.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

But I don't think we're quite there yet.

SPEAKER_06 6:54

Which is why it's difficult.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

I mean it's like when you're like when you're pregnant, right? Like it's like from like month zero to I don't know, seven or eight, it's like you're just kind of still living your life. Like things are changing, but it's really like that couple two weeks uh before you give birth, a week or two, where it just feels like it's more refined, it's more disciplined, it's just different. Even though you've been in the same season for like nine months, it's just like more specific.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Because you're getting ready to birth something in your marriage. Yeah. And in your businesses, too.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

Yeah. I I the business, I hope. Sure. I always want to be careful. Like, I don't want to just say sanctify me for the business, but like it's gonna get the benefit of it for sure.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

Um well like Chris Ballatin says, like, God told him that he's interested in building the man, not the business. But he'll build the man through your business.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

Yeah, he'll because the business has our attention. So yeah.

SPEAKER_06 7:56

I see.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

But um yeah. So we'll see. I'll let you know what happens.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

The Hebrew word is see if I'm saying it right. Kadash. Hold on.

SPEAKER_03 8:10

How do you spell it?

SPEAKER_01 8:12

Um well the pronunciation spelling is this will actually tell you. Strong's age 6942. Here it comes. Kadash. I was right. Kadash. Kadash. Kadash. Kadesh. Or Kadesh.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

That sounds really southern. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Kadesh. Um it means the de the strong's definition, which is like the Hebrew and Greek kind of like gold standard dictionary, is to be to make or pronounce clean ceremonially or morally. To appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify, be holy. So I think it's what we are saying it means. And yeah, it's to I kind of think of it as like if I'm almost I don't know why this is the analogy that comes into my head, but if a doctor is about to perform surgery and they pick one scalpel up, they have to like separate that scalpel, make sure that it is completely clean, and this is the scalpel that I'm going to use for this thing. And this is the tool, or whether whatever the tool is, taking it apart and saying, This is what I'm going to use and making sure it's clean and ready to go. That is like a sanctification of that thing. And we are sanctified through Christ in a way that is that is whole and complete and instant, but also in a way practically where it is seasonal, where I still like I although I'm clothed in robes of righteousness and I am pure and clean and sanctified, and he sees me that way, my sins are totally cast in the sea of sea of forgetfulness. I still have a sinful nature that can be sanctified, that can be made clean to set me apart from this person over here or this group of people over here. I think to be sanctified innately means to be different than everybody else.

SPEAKER_03 10:38

Or from your old self.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

That's yeah, like that. To be different and set apart from what you used to be. I think that's great, actually.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

Renewed. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I'm saying that's why I feel like it's he handle he had to deal with us on our own. Because he didn't know me. I mean you didn't know.

SPEAKER_06 10:59

I'm talking about me?

SPEAKER_03 11:00

Yeah. And I don't really know you pre-marriage, pre-pre marriage. And so those things kind of seep in if we don't if we don't deal with him. And so it's almost like, let's get rid of those things. Let's get rid of the clutter, you know. And it's and it's like such great timing too, because in addition to wherever we have other wherever we have other opportunities, and it's he's like, you need to take care of some things first. You know, like you I you need to clean this up so that I can, you know. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Have you guys had any like patterns in your life? And they're maybe last three, maybe six months, like cycles. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:40

I I hear cycles more than patterns. Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

Like, you know how God people say that God speaks in patterns or cycles.

SPEAKER_03 11:48

Well, yeah, I mean the businesses, you know, it's like with people, I've noticed patterns, certain people coming into my life, coming and going, the pattern of people. And I've learned like you can't deny that type of person. You have to learn how to deal with it because I'm I'm using you and I haven't been able to handle it. So purify me so that I can handle that, and vice versa.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Like God keeps bringing the same level till you pass it. Yes, you know, like a video game.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

Absolutely. It's like it's not gonna stop. Yeah, you know, maybe it's not there, maybe it's you, right? You know, so right, okay, well then fix me, empty me out so that I can, you know, or empty us out. But it's never when you're married, it's never just you. Right, you know, so I'm bit I told him like you we gotta jump on board with this, you gotta see what I see, and I think he's there now. So we have um help, got our therapy. We've meant you know, mentoring and things like that. So I think we're about to enter into a process of sanctification. Did you know that? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

I like the idea of like you said, constantly. Because there is this like I said before, there is an instant sanctification through the blood of Jesus, not by works, but through what he can do so that no man could boast. Um but also every single opportunity, good and bad, everything that happens being an opportunity to be made even more set apart, to be made even more clean than you were before. I think it's important to set the standard as better than you were before, different than you were before. Yeah. Because at first I said different from a lot of other people, but that can be tricky because okay, you can be different from the worst and the worst, but that's still not God's calling for you just to be better than the worst. Right. Or even that's easy. I knew what you meant though. Right?

SPEAKER_06 13:51

Like it's easy, it's easy to be better than like a serial killer. Right. Yeah, okay. At least I'm not that bad. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

Or also like what if you're around like incredible, like your community is amazing, um, then that can get tricky. But I think, yeah, the gold standard being yourself, I guess not the gold standard, but the standard being better than you were always is it like our path to sanctification?

SPEAKER_03 14:18

Yeah, because it's me versus me, always. It's not nobody else's, you know.

SPEAKER_06 14:24

Yeah. That's that's how I would just view like almost anything. Like in competition, it is like I'm always I I'm competing against myself, not other people. So the same thing with like sanctification, yeah. Be m you know, better than you were yesterday, last month, last quarter, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

And that I th I was gonna say that that takes being really honest with yourself too. Cause that can ease I see I hear a lot of people justify being lazy and justify not getting better and not advancing by saying, Well, you know, day by day, better, at least I'm better than I was, you you know. And it's like yeah, is that the best you can be though? You know, sometimes I think people just say it and they're just full of it. Like yeah, well, I'm getting, you know, I'm a work in progress and I'm better to better today than I was yesterday. It's like I think you actually went backwards.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

You just don't want to say you're just not being honest with yourself, but and the importance of just like being in communion, like or commu can communion is not the right word with the Holy Spirit, like constant communic communication, like not being like, Well, I'll be better when I do this, because it's like I I think I was talking to someone about this the other day, but like God can download and change you more than in five minutes than you can in five years. Yeah, like yeah, in a lifetime, and so it's like asking constantly, like, Holy Spirit, like what do you want? Like, how do you want me to behave? How do you want me to take on this task? And I'm not great at it, I'm not perfect at it, but it's like every time I do that and submit, it's like it looks different than I thought I would look like as a better version of myself, you know.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

That's that's why I I love it. Even in business, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's why I love how you sorry.

SPEAKER_06 16:12

Those can be like seeds, you know, that are planted too like you know, God, how should I engage in this, you know, um in this business venture or just like accepting a new client? And like they need help, but they're not in a position to like like this is a business that I'm offering, you know, they're not always in a position to pay for it. It's like, well then be a blessing to them and help them and then you know help them get to a place where they can't afford it, and then they'll pay you later, you know. So and I mean even with that, it's not just about the money, but that relationship that you've developed along the way, um or the yeah, the relationship that you you know develop along the way is uh it's always good too. But that's because of the the communion that you're developing on a um day-to-day basis, whether it's personal or in business.

SPEAKER_02 17:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

I was just gonna say I like how you changed your mind in that one particular situation. Because you know, you've I really thought you were. Situation in business that Chanley was gonna take some route, and then all of a sudden she changed her mind. But the feeling of being on the on the other end and hearing you change your mind, and that it was just like a s what two-minute conversation of you saying that you're actually gonna do the opposite was so much bigger than the whole time if you say, No, I'm gonna do this, and we were all like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you changed your mind. You're like, the peace of hearing you say, Actually, my mind has been changed, and I'm gonna take this route.

SPEAKER_06 17:55

It's like we were just talking about that, yeah. Being okay with your mind being changed.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Yeah, you allowed the Lord to purify your thoughts and sanctifying you took your time, and sometimes it hurts, it's painful, and you don't know. But then that little sh shift, just all you need, just a little speck of him changing you. And then all of a sudden, clarity is wild and the harmony. Exactly. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

I told you he told me that's why. Yeah, harmony for harmony purposes, yeah. Harmonious loving. Yeah, like God wants us to be harmonious with everybody.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

And it's okay to change, it's okay to renew your mind and not think the same thing. Like, don't listen to me last week, okay? Because I may just don't. Okay, the advice that I gave you, Steve, I still stand by that. I don't know, you know, but it's okay for like people to change. And how boring and I think it it's really important in your marriage stay in sanctification because you don't want to get boring. Or complacent. Complacent, yeah. And so it's just like what's next?

SPEAKER_06 18:57

Well, it's like, um yeah, because it it's like you know, when people get married all of a sudden they start gaining weight because they're complacent. Like, I don't have to try no more. Yeah, no, you still gotta try.

SPEAKER_03 19:06

And I I think too, like, uh I don't think our marriage is boring, but I also don't want to depend on accolades and like financial successes and things like that to keep us going.

SPEAKER_06 19:16

Like, I don't want I think our relationship is anything but boring.

SPEAKER_03 19:19

I know, but like I don't want to do only because of like the cool things we do with each other, I don't want it to be that. I want it to be something else, and I think it's you know, allowing the Lord to show me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:33

Well, I think even through like the different adventures that we go on, we still have fun with each other. Otherwise, like I wouldn't be doing it. You're well suffered.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

You're like not just turn his mic up, turn his mic up.

SPEAKER_06 19:48

Not a not a bad business partner, but a like a pain to do business with along the way. Like, I don't that's not fun. I don't want to do that. I don't care how much money you're gonna make along the way, if you're a jerk the whole time, like I don't want to engage in that. So I think for me, like as we approach other, you know, business opportunities, I have fun with you along the way.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Yeah, fun having fun with each other is is so important and it has nothing to do with activities, like has nothing to do with cool trips, yeah, or like you said, like accolades or cool things. I can't tell you how many because we travel a lot just for my work, and what do you do again? I'm just kidding. That's a good question.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

Um Brittany Myers.

SPEAKER_06 20:39

He's a backup, he's a backup for Backstreet Boys.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Um the original. And I can't tell you how many times where we're sitting on an airplane or like we're in like a Delta Sky Club Lounge or something, or those like wherever we are.

SPEAKER_06 21:00

Huh? Is that like a boring setting or no no no?

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Well, it's just it's just a setting, but like we're traveling, we're going to do something, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen or been right next to or overheard a couple that's going on this extravagant vacation and just listening to their conversation. They don't like each other. And it's so clear that they're trying to do a bunch of stuff and even say things that are so surface level, and then the nagging begins. And then it's like you guys don't like each other, it doesn't matter how many beach trips you guys take. Like, you guys aren't gonna fix this with cool little things, little accolades, little like just reveries of your life. It's like it doesn't it doesn't work this this way, and um our pastors have this saying that we usually hijack and and make a lot more bougie. Yeah, but they say You guys specifically? Yeah, we it's not that we make fun of it. It's that we're like, yeah, this is almost true for us, but we would like a couple more things. But the phrase is they say to each other, you, me, and a cup of coffee. That's all I need. You know? And then we just take it a little further. We're like, you, me, a cup of coffee, couple of bangs, good robes, maybe a sauna.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

Friends, friends, this and this and this and this, and we secondary resonance and believes.

SPEAKER_06 22:28

Oh, they call they were saying you guys are take something and make it a little bougie. Is that what the pastor says?

SPEAKER_01 22:33

No, no, no, no, no. The phrase that she says. Our pastors say to each other, this married couple, is as long as it's you, me and a cup of coffee, I'm good. Uh-huh. And then we just take it further away. They're like, we'll take a little bit more than that, but we're like, yeah, same idea, but also like sauna and this and that.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

We can't as being silly.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

But the point is you that has to be your foundation, or the trip's not going to be fun, the accolades aren't going to be fun, success in business isn't going to be fun. Nothing is going to be fun if you can't be fun while you're doing boring things.

SPEAKER_06 23:07

Yeah. Or not if you can't stand the person you're doing it with, then like it's not going to be fun.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

That's yeah, and it sometimes to be honest, it may come off disrespectful or um I don't know another word. You could probably say it better, but when and I'm like, come on, let's let's level up. I'm not saying he's a little boy or anything like that, but I' patronizing. Yeah, patronizing, because you hear this in therapy. It's like, no, I know it's there. And we both need to like let's grow up. Not that where we're coming from or where we were is wrong, but like when you were a child and you walk like it, and that's constant. So like let's go because I know that it's in you, I know that it's there. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:51

We're just calling each other higher, and we're still so you know it's there because you've done it before. With you're just doing it again. Yeah, just on it. You've done it before, just on another level.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

Yeah. We've done it before. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:02

That's how you know, like, I know it's there. So it's like, don't take it as patronizing, even if it comes across as patronizing. I'm just saying, we've done it before, let's do it again.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

Yeah. Yeah. And one way you can tell too is if like you're sitting in the same on the same level, or like you I guess complacent is okay, but like if you're doing something good that's almost too good, that it's like, okay, now we're done with that. And then you kind of spoil it, you know. What do you mean that way? Or like, um you just kind of come, okay. This is I feel like this is not enough to where we're not doing enough for what you want me to do. What more can I do?

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Like good, but not not best. Honorable thing.

SPEAKER_03 24:52

Yes. To where it almost feels like you're doing it for yourself.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Like what's not an excellence.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Oh yeah, you've lost kind of like the um I don't know what's the word.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Uh is it sanctification?

SPEAKER_03 25:09

The beauty of it, I was gonna say the sanctification in it. Honestly. And so, well, okay, if you want to be sanctified again, that means that we're gonna have to clean out house.

SPEAKER_06 25:19

So yeah. I mean, we spring clean every year. Yeah, which is the difference.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

That doesn't mean though, that what it was was bad. It just means like, let's go. You know, so it's important to have gratitude and like and all that and honor where you were and be thankful for it too. And it's almost like you spray, it's almost not even like a level up. Abraham's been my guy lately, just to let you know. Because you know, a the Lord told Abraham, I'm gonna make you horizont move horizontally and not up. So it's like you're not really leveling up, but you're leveling across, you know, your reaches. You're covering, yeah, your reaches further. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

I think a red flag for me that I'm not doing that is when I can't think of the last time I did something that I really didn't want to do.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

The last time I didn't do yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

When I've when I just go through a whole day, especially multiple days, where I didn't anything that I felt like doing is just what I did, and I didn't do anything that I didn't feel like doing.

SPEAKER_06 26:23

Like like I don't want to go to the gym, but you did it anyway, type of thing. Sure, yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

As a self-serving, I really don't feel like working on this thing. I know it needs to be I really want to don't I don't feel like doing it. I do feel like booking this flight. That's I that I need to do that. I do feel like doing this thing and that no, I can justify that. Like that needs to be done at uh probably in a couple weeks. This other thing that I don't want to do needs to be done now, but I mean I could probably do it later. I mean, yeah, it's like justifying that, even if I'm being productive and working and I'm only doing the things that I feel like doing, it's a problem. Almost I mean, I say almost, but for me, every single time I'm not leveling up in that moment. I'm just being complacent, even though I'm doing good things and things that should be done, things that I could show someone my schedule for that day, and they'd be like, Yeah, that looks good. Yeah, it's not my my best. And God's calling on us is to be our best, not just good.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

So that's like how you know you're sanctifying yourself as if you're doing something that you don't want to do.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

Yeah. Sacrificial. Yeah. And then but the sacrifice requires trust and the trust is scary, and sanctification can be scary. So I believe that's what's happening. So it's just a different level. Trust me even more.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

I think yeah, I think trust is the key. Because even when I wanna do this thing and then I feel conviction for it, whatever it is, whether it's like a deal that I'm going through and I have an opportunity to I don't know, be lazy or or get more money from this person, or um or I I I want to dwell on this thought of pride or of jealousy and I want to stay there for a second. Um and it feels good to do it, and then trusting that God's way is the best way, and then not doing it, even though I still want to do it as I'm deciding not to, that is trust. Yeah. That is I trust that God's way is gonna be better than what I think personally is better for me right now, and then doing it. And that really is the key.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

So much more peaceful like that too.

SPEAKER_06 28:42

After.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

After. And then it gets and then you s yeah, and then it gets just more easier. And then when it gets easier, then you're like, okay, what else? What more? And then that's how you know, so trust is the key. Yeah. Because then the trust brings peace, and the peace it becomes easier, and then that makes room for the harder things, and then you just keep going and you keep going.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

And then you're being set apart for better things, right? And you're being used on the point of sanctification. Yeah. You're being set apart to do greater tasks, and that's that's the goal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

And he trusts you with more. You know, like every opportunity that you say yes and obey, the more opportunities he gives you to say yes and obey to try to do that.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

That's right. And he wants to see how you act in the process of the purification and then you know, and how you steward all that and blah, blah.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Dude, I act like a fool. I act like a straight-up fool when God asks me to do something and I start kicking my feet.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

You've seen it like a tangent?

SPEAKER_02 29:40

Just like anxiety attacks. Oh. Or like panic.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

Is that because the Lord's asking you to do things?

SPEAKER_02 29:46

I I think the Lord is asking me to Yeah, I think so. I think he's I think he's trying to sanctify me and I'm terrified.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

Do you think have you is this have you ever been sanctified like this before?

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Um, yeah, I mean there's definitely been moments, you know, like over my life, like maybe they haven't felt as um heavy as they do now or as like monumental. But there's definitely been moments where God's like saying like has been trying to like cleanse me and I've like obeyed and it was beautiful on their side. But it's like a new level, you know.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

There's a new level of thank you, yeah. Of the say so like your next one's probably gonna be like this. So sorry to tell you. Yeah, but then you're gonna be able to look back and be like, I see what you're doing, and it'll be easier because your skin will be thicker. But I also think in addition to trust, gratitude, right? This is where this was all connecting the grant and all that, the gratitude and the thanksgiving. But just being and also living in a remembrance too, of like yeah, you did sanctify me then, and you brought me through then, and you'll do it again.

SPEAKER_06 30:58

Do you guys remember too that you're the thing that you brought up in the first was it is either the first episode or the last episode? Um, right. I'm just looking back at the that episode that we did. And yeah, that's less panic, more trust. Yeah. Stepping into 2026.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Tested me to do it.

SPEAKER_06 31:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 31:20

So don't forget.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

I know. It's so true.

SPEAKER_06 31:22

It's on your to-do list.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Do you guys I was gonna ask, do you guys vlog at all? Like just take videos of yourself. It doesn't have to be like posts on YouTube.

SPEAKER_06 31:29

No, I get uncomfortable in that hand motion of holding a camera too much.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

I don't really do pictures of myself either, but I I started vlogging myself. It I've never posted it anywhere. It's on my phone. There's like hours of me either crying or laughing or pulling a trailer, 20-foot trailer behind me.

SPEAKER_06 31:49

Notes to self-type stuff.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

It's just like notes to self. Yeah. And I've done it when I started renewed home and I do it every just periodically. But maybe if it's something that you guys could do individually or together, like as your because I was watching the videos yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 32:03

You're like Valentina. Of yourself. Hi kids, it's your mom.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

I don't know, it's so cute. She does that. But it I was watching a video of me, it was last March, March 2025, and I had been in storage units for three years. And I was in a truck moving to this new warehouse, and I was saying, oh my gosh, it's 2,000 square feet. How am I gonna fill it? How am I gonna pay the rent? Um, I can't believe I get a bathroom. I have AC. Oh my God, I wonder what God's gonna do in the next uh like in the next five years. Like he's probably gonna give me a bigger warehouse in five years. And I moved out of that warehouse eight months later because I outgrew it. And I and it was crazy. And then I had a new video in November that said, Oh my gosh, I moved into a 5,000 square foot warehouse eight months after I moved into my first warehouse. I'm growing my team, like I cannot believe this is happening. And it's just like, and just seeing myself like be in tears, I mean, like, I wonder what God's gonna do next. I'm so scared. And then like being eight months later, and I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, it's just it's really beautiful to see like notes of subject where you came from. Yeah, it's the real face.

SPEAKER_06 33:18

I like the idea of it, but the the recording of myself, like I wasn't that wasn't a regular thing when I was growing up. And it's really uncomfortable to have the camera face like myself. If you're filming me from like the candid stuff, I don't mind the candid stuff. It's the intentional yeah, I had to do some presentations for school and I had to film myself doing it, and I'm instantly sweating. Yeah, like from the uncomfortable, uncomfortable news.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

I just put it on my phone magnet in my car, and I only do them while I'm driving. I don't have any of them when I'm not driving. Yeah, and so that way I'm not really like talking, I'm just like driving and thinking out loud in the brain, and then it's like recorded.

SPEAKER_06 33:57

Yeah, that would probably be more comfortable for me, something like that. I don't know. But it it reminds me too, like in the beginning of this year. There's this lady I listened to, she's not like a mentor, um, but somebody like I'll listen to your advice here and there. Some things I probably won't, but some like I will. And she says something about like in business, if you're trying to grow like as an individual, try to do something that you would normally not do, like something that you instantly or like no, check yourself and be like, wait, all right, if that's an instant no, try to do that thing anyway. Um, as long as it's not like you know dangerous or illegal or like hurtful to somebody, but like her example was normally I don't know, I don't do TikToks, like I'm not gonna film, I'm not gonna do a dance, I'm not gonna be in a TikTok. But she makes her employees do something, you know, that they normally would not do. So filming a TikTok was one of them, and they did it anyway to help them grow and kind of like challenge themselves. And it's like, I bet you I could I could probably do something like that. Yeah, like on a same same level, you know, something that makes you uncomfortable, but you do it anyway. Like I could probably do that because I'm I'm in a place where I'm comfortable being uncomfortable like that.

SPEAKER_03 35:14

Yeah. That goes but that's sanctification too to circle it back. That's like what Clark was saying in the last episode about let me mourn differently, do something different, you know, do what else is in me. If if if Jesus is in you, there's more to you. Like don't be the same as you were last year. Yeah, mourn differently, do things different in your business. Yeah, and never settle.

SPEAKER_06 35:41

Yeah, because it's gonna be good once you're on the other side of it. It might be uncomfortable or suck in the moment, but you'll you ain't gonna die from it.

SPEAKER_03 35:49

So and you know, yeah, yeah. Did you die? Or did you die? Right. And now you have all this wisdom in your arsenal. Yeah, that's right. And that's how you get set apart, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:58

So I believe it's like and you have the experience that you can tell other people to help them grow, you know, and to kind of pass pass pass it along. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Just makes the world a better place. It does. Makes us better people, world a better place. Thanctify yourselves. That's a outstalt backwards. I C A T I O N. But did you die though?

SPEAKER_03 36:19

Did you die?