020 - To Be Sure!

MJ & Nath are feeling lucky as they celebrate St Patrick’s Day with a pint of pop culture chaos. First up, they boldly go and attempt to lend a hand to Star Trek: Starfleet Academy.

Then it’s off to the Weird Files, where they get to the bottom of why 1980s' Garfield phones keep mysteriously washing up on the shores of France.

And to wrap things up, the boys dive into a St Paddy’s celebration of Irish pop culture, doing their absolute best not to get cancelled… emphasis very much on trying.

Shamrocks, Strange Stories and Lucky Charms, it’s the Pulp Culture Podcast.

All content © 2026 Pulp Culture Productions

Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

And Knight's wearing a distress sprint t-shirt as well. And it's got two of his key descriptors on it. One says uh vintage and the other one says limited edition.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

Let's get this podcast started. Here's your host, MJ and Nate.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Hey, and welcome to the Pulp Culture Podcast, your weekly dose of all things pop culture, freshly squeezed for you and me. I'm Nate. I'm MJ coming in the hot. Coming in hot. Like like a t-shirt. Yeah. I guess so. For for those of you that can't see, which is all of you, um, MJ's sporting a new uh George Perez Superman holding a supergirl. Crisis. Is it Crisis Infinite? Crisis on Infinite Earth. On Infinite Earth, yeah. T-shirt. And it's so rad.

SPEAKER_06 1:12

Distress print. And Nate's wearing a distress print t-shirt as well. And it's got two of his key descriptors on it. One says vintage.

SPEAKER_03 1:23

And the other one says limited edition. And then my and then my birthday, but we don't need to talk about that. So we'll just go with the birth date, like as in my when I the year that I was born. Alright.

SPEAKER_06 1:37

I thought you turned 10 then.

SPEAKER_03 1:40

We'll just go with the vintage, alright? And vintage is in, right? Limited edition.

SPEAKER_06 1:45

Limited editions, alright.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

Limited editions sounds fantastic. I love that. Yeah, one of a kind. Yeah, as as Arnold would say, it's fantastic. So um, but thanks for your company. Off the rails already. Already. Yep, absolutely. Well, you started me last week with the Arnie impersonation, so you know, I'm just keeping it going. Yep. Keeping it fresh.

SPEAKER_06 2:04

Can't stop, won't stop.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

Yeah, absolutely. But uh can't stop won't stop. Um, but uh oh when we're recording this uh this episode, it is St. Patrick's Day. So top of the morning to you. Nope, I'm not doing that. Well, hopefully we don't uh offend any of our um our Irish listeners. No, um I'm not getting cancelled by them. We we we do have a few listeners um over in Ireland, so thank you for listening um all that way over there.

SPEAKER_06 2:37

G'day.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

Uh and uh because it's uh because it's St. Patrick's Day, um we're gonna do a little bit of a uh a feature segment.

SPEAKER_06 2:46

Oh, I thought you were said we were gonna we're gonna get on the pints.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

No uh it'll be all over for everyone, right? So uh so yeah, no, that's not happening.

SPEAKER_06 2:56

Um those that ship has sailed.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

But we will be talking about uh Irish pop culture and its influence on uh on various uh different genres like music and uh comics, TV, movies, etc. So we'll get into that a little bit uh later on. Um but I wanted to start it off with the bag. We got a really awesome uh email. Like all our all our emails are awesome, but um this this one uh that's come through this time round is also awesome. Yeah, it was super awesome. Yeah, it was great. Um, and we got it from uh a new listener, um, which is Evan. Yep. And uh Evan uh just started, and I'll just read read read the uh bit of the email. Um he's got a couple of things that he wants to talk about, and we'll definitely get to those in uh in future segments.

SPEAKER_06 3:54

Yeah, some really good suggestions.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

Um but uh yeah, I'll just I'll just go through it. He just said thanks for the cool uh podcast. This is exactly what I need in my ears each week. Uh he said I've listened to the latest episode and now working through the back catalogue. Although muddled numbering had me in the fetal position, breathing into a brown paper bag.

SPEAKER_05 4:15

Oh dear.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Oh, so it's 1716. It's got everyone in the tears. Yeah, the trauma you have wreaked. Everyone's talking about it on TikTok. Manor. Are they? No.

SPEAKER_06 4:25

Okay. I thought they were talking about how um Vanette uh uh uh what's her name? Makeda Grace. Oh yes, with the Pokemon cards. Yeah, Pokemon cards and address of the Oscars. I thought that was all over TikTok.

SPEAKER_03 4:38

No, oh yeah, that that nuts a shiny one. Good honour. Yeah. I I saw that. I saw that as well. That was that was exciting.

SPEAKER_06 4:45

Anyway, anyway, we digress.

SPEAKER_03 4:46

Sorry, Evan. Back to the email. Sorry, Evan. So um uh he said he said I do listen in production order or chronological order. You can listen to any any which way you like.

SPEAKER_06 4:57

Put us on shuffle.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

Absolutely. Um that'd that'd mix it up. That'd that ruin someone with OCD, but you know, that's fine.

SPEAKER_06 5:05

No, don't do that. That'd be very confusing. That was a bad idea. Who knows what's going on? All of a sudden, we'll be talking about the Mandalorian, and then the previous episode we'll be saying, how about this new Star Wars movie that's coming out? Gonna be premiering at the Chinese theatre. Don't you know? Here's Carrie Grant. Here's Carrie Grant. And now crossing live to Carrie Grant.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

Silling war bonds. Anyway, sorry, everybody digressing again. Uh he said, I do listen in production order. Um, he said he may uh need legacy numbering. Oh, definitely not. That's that's above my pay growth.

SPEAKER_06 5:40

We're entering a triangle era.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

Yeah, yeah. He didn't say he was kidding, he's not giving it an ounce of thought. Um he he went on to say that um he just he just went on to say thanks for the great uh for the great pod. He goes, he loves the local signal boosting, he loves the shout-outs and the general uh community vibe, and he loves um him some vandals at the end, um, which which I thought was really, really, really kind of him to say. Um he said um he also said that uh he's he's glad that uh somebody's uh flying the uh the comic flag. Um and uh it reminds him of the uh the red lounge, uh, which was a production from um from Larry and uh Mitch and uh Lucas. That's a high compliment. And and uh yeah, that I I I think that's uh as uh Nick Cage would say that's that's high praise. So um, you know, I'll go with that. And um, yeah, it's all it's all uh impressions tonight, isn't it?

SPEAKER_06 6:42

Who will it be next week?

SPEAKER_03 6:43

Yeah, I don't know. Forget it. It's it's uh I I've got a very limited range.

SPEAKER_06 6:47

I have to hit up the estate of Unus of Orbanine or Curry Grant.

SPEAKER_03 6:51

Okay, correct. Um but uh one thing that uh that Evan did did did raise, he asked a question, and and it's a really, really good question. He said uh he said the eternal riddle, and this this is a good one. So uh listeners, uh when you when we uh pose this question, we'd love to hear your thoughts. Um uh you can hit us up on all the socials under Pulp Culture Pod. Um he said you introduce your kids to Star Wars for the first time. Yeah, do you start with the original or the prequels? Not the sequels.

SPEAKER_06 7:27

No, I've I I don't know whether I've ever nailed down a solid answer to this question. How about you?

SPEAKER_03 7:33

Yeah, I uh well, I mean, I I I actually introduced my kids to the uh originals first, yeah, and then went back to the prequels. Right. Only because it's there's a there's a like a bit of a juxtaposition when it comes to effects and quality and all that sort of stuff. So there was um and I think it was a good starting ground for them to understand who they uh who those characters in the prequels were going to become. Yeah. Um so for me with my kids, I started with the originals and then went back to the prequels. Yeah. Um but everybody looks at it differently, right?

SPEAKER_06 8:10

So I think uh there's perks to both both. Both. But there's other ways to do it now as well. I mean, um, yeah, do you sit down to your six-year-old and say, right, watch the thing? We're watching and or maybe not. Get all the political intrigues and and um the the parallels between what's happening in the real world. This will um really set you up for going into grade one.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Yeah, and um and they just turned around and said, I really loved watching my moth and dance, and that was about it.

SPEAKER_06 8:43

Yeah, they probably just want to watch Bluey.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 8:46

And that's totally fair.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

Yeah. Um but uh what about you?

SPEAKER_06 8:50

No, I don't really yeah, I I'm I'm not sure. Like I can't really remember what I did with my kids. Because my kids, I'm pretty sure they might have seen Clone Wars and stuff first before and even Rebels. It's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah, when my boys were of the right age, that Rebels was their jam. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

Um because our kids are around about the same state, probably, yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_06 9:11

And so I I reckon they probably had seen some of that before they'd even seen the movies. Um so yeah, I'm I'm I'm not really sure. But uh my inclination would be to show them, I think, um, in release order. Oh, okay. So probably start with New Hope and Yeah, because I mean it that that's the way that we that's that's the way that we saw them, and and it works just as well that way. It preserves the whole um I'm being careful about not spoiling the whole Dart Vader thing. But um it preserves his he's his brother. Yeah, well, it preserves it preserves the drama of that moment in Empire Strikes Strikes Back, which I think is um it's it's like the crux of what we love about Star Wars, I think. Yeah. Um so that would probably be my inclination, but I'm interested to hear what listeners have to say as well. Um I hope people let us know so that we can uh do a bit of a survey and and discuss it again on a future episode.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I was uh I remember seeing um I think it was Mark Hamill was on um Graeme Norton, and and they were talking about how Mark Hamill only knew about the reveal in Empire Strikes Back.

SPEAKER_05 10:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

And he only found out the day of shooting. And it was one of the one of the last shots, I think, for the for the actual film. Yeah. You know, uh because most films don't shoot in sequence. No. Um and so this this this part of the movie, which was probably three quarters of the way through, I'd say.

SPEAKER_06 10:39

But they have to have reattached his hand for the earlier parts of the it was robotics, so it didn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 10:44

You could just clip it on and clip it off. Right, gotcha. Yeah, just spoilers for anybody who hasn't watched the film. Spoiler alert.

SPEAKER_06 10:53

Oh yeah, yeah, but spoilers. Sorry about that, sorry. Hashtag spoilers.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

Yeah, uh, and uh and and uh he said that there's no way known that a film with such a massive reveal, because let's face it, that's probably one of the biggest reveals in movie history. Totally um uh would be able to get away with that now, yeah. In you know, with the with the internet.

SPEAKER_06 11:16

So name a bigger one. And I'm saying that in all honesty. I'd love people to hit us up with other bigger reveals than that. Yeah, because because um I think that'd be a really it's a really fun discussion.

SPEAKER_03 11:29

Yeah, absolutely. So um, yeah, but hit us up on the on our socials, pop culture pod. Um anyway, getting back to um Evan's email. Thanks, Evan. We appreciate that. Yes, that's really kind of you to uh take the time and and and write that to us. And um we we love hearing um how we're making a positive difference in uh the lives of our listeners, and um it uh that just gives us a little bit more boost to keep this keep this uh train uh rolling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 12:00

Um no, it was a uh it was, it was a really nice email, real uh nice boost. Um we're gonna keep on going for as long as we can.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

Yep, absolutely. Uh but um yeah, if you've if you've got uh got a burning question, you want to uh want to uh just uh tell us how how good or bad or sad or happy we're going, um we'd love to love to hear from you. Any suggestions on uh segments that maybe we should have?

SPEAKER_06 12:25

Yeah, tell us how vintage Nathan sounds.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

Oh no, it's like Cray Grant. Tell us how in crisis I sound. But uh yeah, hit us up. Uh uh you can DM us on our socials at Pop Culture Pod. Uh let's get into the zest. Miss the trailers? Yes. What have you got? Uh no trailers. Oh, you're kidding me. You so do have a trailer. Yeah. Mole.

SPEAKER_06 12:57

Oh, but was that a trailer? Was it? That was a trailer. Oh, because I only saw a clip on um Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

Oh, you better get on that. Okay. Better get on that wagon.

SPEAKER_06 13:06

I've I've let everybody down.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

Yeah, absolutely. You're you're gonna lose your doctorate soon if you're not careful.

SPEAKER_06 13:11

Well, have you watched it?

SPEAKER_03 13:12

I have watched it, it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 13:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

Yeah, it's really good.

SPEAKER_06 13:15

Um I didn't realise that it was a like to just to be clear, I didn't realise that it was a full gone trailer.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

Yeah, full gone trailer.

SPEAKER_06 13:21

I think part of the reason I didn't realise is because like I'm I'm locked. Like I'm I'm set.

SPEAKER_03 13:26

Oh, so so am I. It's uh sixth of April, isn't it? Yeah, it's coming out. Yeah, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_06 13:31

It's it's almost here, so yeah, and I don't need any more convincing.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

So yeah, and I'm and I'm just at the tail end of uh Clone Wars. Oh nice. So I've gone through the uh the the the Darth Maul section. Yeah. Um I mean into is it season six? Was it season six? Was it six seasons or five seasons? Maybe it's five seasons, but my memory doesn't. I'm I'm on the last episode tonight and then I'm done. Awesome. Um so that's good timing. That's great timing for for for Maul, which is coming out. For those of you who don't know, this is uh this is a follow-on series. Um much uh it's quite a bit of time after, I think, from Clone Wars. I think so. Um but it's before Kenobi. Yeah, and it's before before Rebels? Before Rebels. Yeah, yeah, it's before Rebels. And so this is following Darth Maul's life.

SPEAKER_06 14:22

Yeah, um, I think it's sort of uh filling in gaps that in a space of time that we haven't seen before.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

Yeah, yeah, and um his um resentment to all factions really, including the Imperials, um, and uh and how he's on a bit of a revenge kick, which is nothing unusual for Maul. It's all about revenge. Um and how he uh gets a what is it? What is a Sith's um is it an apprentice? Is that what they yeah, yeah, that's what they're called, aren't they? An apprentice. My young apprentice. That's right, yes. Well, see, it's all impersonations, right? But remember, that's what in the case. But we're not gonna do any Irish ones because it's because it's racist. Culturally inappropriate. That's right. Um but uh the longer we go, the more likely it is that I'll do it. If Conan and O'Brien was here, yeah. Conan and O'Brien. There we go. There it is. Um, but yeah, Maul Trailer is uh has been dropped. Um, and uh looking forward to to that in uh couple of weeks when we'll uh review it review it on the review.

SPEAKER_06 15:27

Yeah, no, I'm pumped. Um more Shadow Lord coming soon to Disney Plus. Yeah, I've um read one of the prequel comics. Oh yes. Marvel's doing a series.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

They're sort of dropping five different ones that all sort of sit in the same. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_06 15:40

I've only read the first one and there's not a lot of Maul in it. I think it might be No, well I think it I think what it it's called I think it's called the Shadow of Maul. Right. Sort of shuffled the words around just to confuse old buggers like me.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

Is it like is it like where's Wally and you've got like like like shall shadow in the background? No, no, no, no. No, okay.

SPEAKER_06 15:59

No, I think I suspect uh it makes me think that in the show there's gonna be a bunch of other characters in opposition to Maul. Yes, law enforcement and stuff. Yes, and I think that the comic series is kind of introducing them. Yeah, really. That's what I suspect. Like the the characters that are in the comic series seem like they're going to be showing up in the show, perhaps. Um so yeah, I think it's sort of fleshing out uh stuff exterior to Maul.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

Right, gotcha. Yeah, good good to know. Um, other travel that dropped this week was the Lego Batman Legacy of the Dark Knight game.

SPEAKER_06 16:35

And they announced the release date.

SPEAKER_03 16:37

And that and that's uh it's late at 2026, isn't it?

SPEAKER_06 16:39

What's it or is it no, it's it's in it's in two months. Oh, okay, right. How do I know this? Because I pre-ordered it on PlayStation today.

SPEAKER_03 16:47

Oh, there you go. So it's uh it's available on all uh current platforms. Yep. Uh and um this this game looks fantastic. It's it's uh open world, uh, which is a little bit different from the other Lego um Batman.

SPEAKER_06 17:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

Um where this is incorporating pretty much all Batman lore, I believe.

SPEAKER_06 17:09

Yeah, well it it's um I I'm just sort of doing a bit of a search now, but um I as I said, I pre-ordered it earlier today because I saw that they finally announced the release date, which is May 22nd. Um and I'm really excited for it. Um largely because uh yeah, it's called Legacy of the Dark Knight, and it seems to have a lot of um no, it doesn't seem to, it does have a lot of references to older versions of Batman from um from media uh movies, TV, um uh animation, all sorts of stuff. Yeah. Um the I got the what do they call it? D deluxe or special edition or whatever it was. And and on that one they've got uh like a Batman Beyond expansion pack and um yeah, the Nolan films and all sorts of stuff. So yeah, I'm really pumped about it.

SPEAKER_03 18:03

Yeah, no, it's um I'm I I think it's gonna be a fantastic game, a lot of fun. And um yeah, we'll we'll definitely be reviewing it on the show when it when it drops.

SPEAKER_06 18:12

I uh my boys used to play them back in the day because it's because it's a co-op type game. Yeah. I was never very good at them. I couldn't um play them without having one of the kids to guide me. And I'm sure it'll still be the same. So um yeah, 17 and I are gonna play it um together is the plan.

SPEAKER_03 18:31

Do you do you think we'll get an absolute Batman Lego? Or maybe. That'd be cool. That would be great. Or an expansion pack later, like an absolute expansion pack that gets added.

SPEAKER_06 18:42

Maybe it wouldn't welln't surprise me. I mean that'd be fun. Absolute Batman's become pretty big. It's massive. He's absolute. I mean he's he's massive and it's massive. Yeah, yeah. Um yeah, no, that'd be really cool.

SPEAKER_03 18:53

Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_06 19:01

Lego Batman?

SPEAKER_03 19:02

Yeah, absolutely. I think it'll be um I think it'll be a a wild ride and uh it'll take oh it's it's got a huge count of hours to complete the game. It's over 300 hours, I think, to to complete the game.

SPEAKER_06 19:16

Oh wow, jeez.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

Um but obviously you're not actually completing the game, it's only the tasks that they give you to complete.

SPEAKER_06 19:23

But that's if you want to like see everything in the open world experience.

SPEAKER_03 19:26

Yeah, that's exactly right. Okay. So um That's all right.

SPEAKER_06 19:29

I can spend all day in Gotham.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Yeah, exactly. So um it'll be it'll be great fun.

SPEAKER_06 19:35

Um there's one other trailer that um I thought you said you didn't No. Well I haven't seen no let me finish. I haven't seen it. Like No, I saw some that that there's another trailer that's been announced. Apparently it's coming out tomorrow. Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

No. Oh, that's on the 20th. That's coming out. Right. Spider-Man? Okay. Yep. Can I my my can I finish my anecdote? No, go.

SPEAKER_06 20:03

June 3. Oh yes. June 3. Yeah. The um trailer for June 3's due out there.

SPEAKER_03 20:09

Oh, June 3. As in not June 3, but Dune 3. Dune, uh, sorry.

SPEAKER_06 20:14

Yes, right. Forgive my pronunciation.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

I thought I thought you were saying like there was a trailer coming out in June June 3. Oh, June 3. And I was like, that's a long way. Oh, they might wait for it. Get excited for one. It might be. You'd be sitting around a long time just waiting for the trailer to drop.

SPEAKER_06 20:27

I don't know. This year is whipping by very fast.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

It has, yes.

SPEAKER_06 20:31

Um, yeah, uh, but the Danny V Villeneuve's um Dune 3 trailer's apparently out tomorrow. I've still got to catch up because I haven't seen part two. But uh, and I want to re-watch part one before I watch.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

Yeah, it's a good, it's a it's probably a good idea. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:46

I need to refresh that. Yeah. It's been a while. But um, yeah, I know lots of people are very excited about uh Dune 3. Yes. Um and the trailer that comes out tomorrow, and they've released some posters today. I saw.

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Yeah, I saw those. They look they they they're they're interesting.

SPEAKER_06 20:59

I've only seen the Florence Pugh one. Yep. She's um having a bit of a like a mud mask type thing going on.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

I was gonna say that she she's her beauty regime's not working for her. Needs a bit of a moisturizer. Needs a bit of a moisturizer. You could probably advise her on that, couldn't you? Absolutely. Yep. Yeah, oil of Olay.

SPEAKER_06 21:19

So um but it's um and the other one was uh sort of an obscured version of uh uh a vision of Timothy Chalamet's face.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

Yeah, he's he's wearing um ballet shoes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:35

That went well for him, didn't it? Um at the Oscars. Yes. Yeah, but he was glad he was sitting in the front row there.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Absolutely he was.

SPEAKER_06 21:44

Um yes, so that that's another trailer that is coming out. Yes, but I have not yet seen it.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Yeah. June June three. Look out for June three on June three.

SPEAKER_06 21:52

My week long streak of not seeing any trailers continues.

SPEAKER_03 21:55

Which I still think one of those is gonna move at the end towards the end of the year.

SPEAKER_06 21:59

Which Dune and Avengers. Dune and Avengers and then Avengers. Avengers won't move.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

No. I don't think Avengers will move. I think June will move. It'll move by a week or two.

SPEAKER_06 22:08

Yeah. Well they've got an excuse now. Because they'll they'll say something like it's you know, repositioning because of the merger or yeah, that's a good point. But no, but I bet that's you know, that's if they do move it, that's what they'll that's what they'll say.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

I just can't see them sitting sitting by side by side. But you know, we could we'll we'll keep talking about this until it happens and we'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_06 22:26

They'll they'll say that they're moving it away from something else that is owned by Paramount or but really they're running scared from Avengers.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

Yeah, I I and I would be too. I would I would want to give it its stay in the sun properly rather than having to compete. And I think that you know they're both very very similar um audiences. So you you you want to make sure that you and people aren't doing double double films now like they used to back in the day.

SPEAKER_06 22:59

I don't think it's gonna move. I I think well, I mean both those movies are gonna be out for weeks and weeks, if not months. But there's plenty of time for people to see them.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

Well, I hope they I hope they both do well. I um I just yeah, from a scheduling point of view, I think it's a I think it's suicide belief.

SPEAKER_06 23:14

I think I think the more interesting conversation to have with people about is about which order they're gonna watch them in. Oh. Like what's your priority, you know? Oh, it's Doomsday for me. Well, for yeah, for me it is as well, but uh there'll be people who will be dying to see like I can just tell from some of the online bars today that like there's there's people that are really pumped about um this uh addition to the Dune um trilogy.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

Well the the the original um was it Kyle Kyle McLaughlin? Kyle McLaughlin's was was Sting let David Lynch. Um, you know, people were disappointed that there wasn't the follow-on um film just from that.

SPEAKER_06 23:53

It's still got its fans.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

It's a it's a you know it's a it's a cult classic now. Yeah. Um probably was probably before its time when it was released. Definitely. Um and uh so uh I think I think it's it's like Lord of the Rings. It's a bit like I I would sort of put June in the same category as Lord of the Rings or Star Wars or any of those sort of trilogy films which you you've grown up with, you know, so you've either read the books or you've been part of you know that franchise and you're now getting the opportunity to see it in all its glory. And um and and you you want to see it, you know, you want to see, well, you know, is it my imagination exactly what it's gonna be translated on the screen or is it different?

SPEAKER_06 24:37

Or yeah, it's a like the hardcore fans, it's sort of like a the like the it's a niche fandom, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 24:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:43

Because I think even avatar's a bit like that. Oh, I I would say avatar's definitely sitting in the same pocket. It's avatar avatar is a bit like it everybody goes and sees it almost. Yeah. I know there's gonna be people saying, Oh, I haven't seen it. Yeah. But there's you know, everybody goes and sees it, but then there's that like a hardcore core of real fans that that that just you know Navi and they live it.

SPEAKER_03 25:07

They they paint themselves blue and you know, roam the streets. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:11

Just yeah blue blue, yep.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

Blue and up. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 25:16

Keeping it, keeping it G.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Keeping it, keeping it G. I love it, I love it. Um the um we got uh there's some really interesting news that um pretty much melted the internet. Um are you a Firefly Firefly fan?

SPEAKER_06 25:34

I am not a Firefly fan in that I haven't seen it. I've only seen I think I've seen the film. Right. Because people encourage me to see Serenity, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Which is the end. And that just ruins the TV series.

SPEAKER_06 25:48

Well, I wasn't gonna watch the TV series. Oh, okay, right. You might need to now. Yeah, I can't remember who encouraged me to watch it, but anyway, yeah. I've I've seen that one. But yeah, they're making an animated series.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

Yeah, they are making an animated series. Are they making one or are they talking about it? Well, they've already uh so they've already done the pilot. Yeah. Uh Disney uh is on board.

SPEAKER_06 26:07

So it's a it's a Disney, like it was on originally on what, ABC?

SPEAKER_03 26:11

So uh yeah, I think it was ABC, Disney have the rights, so it's on Disney Plus around the world.

SPEAKER_06 26:17

Or maybe it was on Fox, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

And uh the um Nathan Filion, um, if you listen to the We Are Spacemen podcast, uh, which Nathan Fillian and um Alan Teddock, uh, they've been sort of interviewing um fellow cast members over time, yeah. Um talking about the the the heydays of of Firefly.

SPEAKER_06 26:40

We've got to get around to listening to that podcast.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

Which is a great podcast. I'd highly recommend it to anybody who wants to have a you know a great listen to um a bunch of friends um and have a good laugh. Oh, that's our podcast. Well, it's just too much. But uh but yes, no, it's um both great guys, yeah. Both both both really just decent, decent human beings. Humble, yeah. Um and Nathan Fillion's been posting on a weekly basis him knocking on cast members on previous cast member doors of of Firefly. What literally um and saying um we're doing it, it's happening.

SPEAKER_06 27:17

Is he rocking up to their houses?

SPEAKER_03 27:19

Well, it's it it I I I think it's all sort of you know smoke of mirrors, but right um but the cast members uh uh Alan Turdock was in one and um yeah, Jules State's in another, and Summer Glue uh Glaw. Glaw?

SPEAKER_05 27:32

Glau.

SPEAKER_03 27:33

Glau. Summer Glow, sorry, summer. Um the uh and so each and so that's been happening for a number of weeks now. And so building this really massive um hype, and uh they were at a uh I think it was AwesomeCon over the the weekend just gone in our time. Because I only saw the I only saw the video that he and his announcement, which we posted on our um on one of our stories on on Instagram. Um but for those that don't know, um this was a production sort of back in the early 2000s. Um it was um done by uh Josh Whedon. Um so if you're a Josh Whedon fan, then you'll enjoy um definitely the writing of this. Um it's it's essentially about um uh a band of misfits that sort of gather together and it's it's like a it's it's like a Western in space, really. It's the best way to describe it. Yeah. Um and it has Nathan Fillion, Alan Turdock, um Summer Glau Glau. I nearly said glue.

SPEAKER_06 28:34

No, I watched Summer Glau in um uh Sarah Connor Chronicles.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Oh, she was a fantastic in that. I loved that. Yeah, uh it's got um Adam Baldwin in it, um Marina is it is it? Bacharin Baccharin, thank you.

SPEAKER_06 28:50

Marina Baccharin, uh and um and uh and and a large number of other other character other um, yeah, it's it's got a really iconic cast that's um you know uh a lot of them have gone on to do other genre stuff like Summer Glau was in, as I mentioned, Zara Connor Chronicles, but she she also played a small rule role in at some point in the DC CW. Um Marina Bacharin was in Gotham.

SPEAKER_03 29:15

She was in Deadpool. She was V, she was in the V Ruby.

SPEAKER_06 29:19

Yeah, that's right, she was in the V Ruby. Alan Schudik's been in everything.

SPEAKER_03 29:22

Yeah, um he's got over a hundred and fifty films, I think, to his credit. Yeah, and majority of those are voice acting.

SPEAKER_06 29:29

Yeah, he's amazing. Yeah, he is. Um Nathan Fillion, you know, has been in all sorts of stuff from the rookie now, yeah. Um but but also anything that James Gunn's ever made. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, unless he gets left on the cutting room floor.

SPEAKER_03 29:42

And he was my guy guy, so guy Gardner. Exactly. So um so yeah, he's um but this is this is great. This is really good news. It's good it this is a great way to continue the series. Um it's gonna be interesting because Serenity kind of really closes off a lot of those characters. Yeah. Um so it'll be interesting to see how they're going to whether this is like a bit of a Rogue One, it's sort of the in-between, fills the gaps. I'd say that's what's what it's gonna be by the sounds of it. Yeah, the the adventures before Serenity. Yeah. Um but I think it's a great idea. Yeah, I think it's a fantastic idea.

SPEAKER_06 30:15

Yeah, I really I I hope it happens. And and I mean that genre lends itself to it. You know, Star Wars has has been um uh fleshing its galaxy out with animation for 20 plus years now. There's Star Trek's done it in the past um and continues to do it in the into the modern day. Um I think it's it's a wonderful, a wonderful initiative.

SPEAKER_03 30:36

Yeah, I I I don't think that I look honestly that the the hype is pretty big. And I I think that the only thing that Nathan Fillion was asking on on his um announcement was that people you know like and share and and and comment that they want this to happen.

SPEAKER_06 30:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

Um I I think that something like Invincible has really sort of opened a bit of a doorway to um more sort of adult-oriented comic book sort of you know, pop culture um animation when it comes to that that that version. I mean we've had we've had other adult-oriented uh animation, but not at the level that I'm sort of talking about, sort of straight laced.

SPEAKER_06 31:20

This is I'm drawing a long bow, yeah. I think that's the expression. Yeah, but um this this is on it's gonna be on like I guess Hulu.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

I I would be guessing it would be Hulu, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:31

So um, and you were saying that Nathan Filion's trying to drum up support from the fan base for it. Yeah. Um, do you think maybe it's had something to do with some of the other Hulu news we've had this week?

SPEAKER_03 31:41

Well, yeah, do you want to talk about that? Well notion.

SPEAKER_06 31:44

I don't want to talk about it at all because it's awful.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

And we're talking about Buffy the vampire slayer?

SPEAKER_06 31:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

So so apparently from from from everything that I've I've seen so far, and we did post Sarah Michelle Geller's um announcement uh on on the story, and it was a little bit heartbreaking. It was really heartbreaking. So Chloe Zhao uh wrote and directed the pilot. Um it was shot, it was and and it was the only reason that Sarah Michelle Geller came back to um the Buffy franchise. She's been because of Chloe Zhao's because of Chloe Zhao's involvement um and her vision for what she wanted it to be.

SPEAKER_06 32:21

Just as an aside to be clear, Chloe Zhao is the um director, uh director of uh uh and right a co-writer of Hamlet. Yep. Um but one at least a Eternals? She did the Eternals for the MCU um and won an Oscar for uh that other film Ebbing, Missouri, was it? Yeah with uh McDormand and she did an Oscar now.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:49

Um and a great creative mind. Like um, you know, I'm big, big fan of Hamnet, as I've spoken in previous episodes. So yeah, um yeah, I thought I was really taken aback by this cancellation. I've not I'm not a Buffy fan. I think I've talked about it on here before. Again, I'm a bit like Firefly. I'm not not a fan, yeah, but I just haven't watched it. It just hasn't been part of part of your video. It hasn't been part of what I've consumed so far, but I I have great affection for Buffy as a fandom, yeah, um, and Angel and all of the extended stuff from that. Um, you know, I love how people love Buffy, and I was just gutted to see this video from Sarah Michelle Geller. Um it it's it was really really heart-wrenching.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

I I it'll be interesting to see how that's because there's been a lot of up uptake on that. Um it's making the rounds on on news as well around the world. I'll bet it is. And so um it'll be yeah, it'll be interesting to see what the what the response is from the studio. From from my understanding, from what Cloy Zhao said um was that the uh that it's not it's hasn't been cancelled, it's just that they're not moving forward with that pilot.

SPEAKER_06 34:07

Yeah, it was some interesting language around it, wasn't there? Because like that they they sort of intimated that the tone wasn't right.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Yeah, and so so maybe, maybe, you know, and again, studios, they've got an idea of what they want. Um, they hand it over to a director or a creator, you know, a creative uh team, um, and then and then they go, Oh, but that's not what we were thinking. Well then why didn't you give us that in the first place? Yeah. Um so I I think that kind of gave it some creative control to do the pilot.

SPEAKER_05 34:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

Um, and it wasn't in the direction that they wanted it to be. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's dead. What it does do is it puts in jeopardy of having the star um of the show, um, which is Sarah Michelle Galloway attached.

SPEAKER_06 34:54

Yeah, well, she it sounds like she's she's done, right? If if if Chloe's out of the way.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

So, how do they do it without it? That's right. That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_06 35:02

Like, is it does that mean like a complete reboot?

SPEAKER_03 35:04

Well, that's that's the that's the interesting question um that that everybody's asking right now. What does that look like if they move forward? So we'll just have to wait and watch this space and we can talk about it more when we have you know further further news.

SPEAKER_06 35:19

Um I'd be interested to know, as I said, I I don't know the the franchise's ins and outs. Um you know, I've only seen very little of Buffy, but I'd be interested to know from Buffy fans what they think. Well, I mean, if if they were to reboot it and and say, you know, in theory, I'm just speculating, recast Buffy. Buffy, is it Buffy Summers? Buffy Summers. Yeah, so if they were re recast the character of Buffy with a completely different actress, having had this opportunity to bring back the original who is so beloved as a character but also as an actress, and a person, um would that have any ch you know chance of of sticking whatsoever, or or are they just is this you know just just talk to try and pacify fans and it's really dead?

SPEAKER_03 36:07

Yeah, I yeah, and again, I mean we've we've seen this time and time again where sometimes it's it's it's all smoke and mirrors and it's all a little bit of a hype to get to get you know people excited a little bit more about it.

SPEAKER_06 36:19

It's like we've been saying recently, yeah. Watch watch what's the watch what they do.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

Watch what the what watch what the subtle hand's not doing, not the uh not the one that's waving around.

SPEAKER_06 36:28

Words are wind.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

Yeah. But I mean if you if you remember, they released a Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie, that's hat what started the TV series, yeah, which was also by Josh Whedon.

SPEAKER_06 36:38

Um and very popular in its own right, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

Um, which had Christy Swanson and Luke Perry, yes, um, in it, and uh Donald Glover, I think it was Donald Glover, he was uh Giles. About right. So um uh David Arquette was in it as well. Oh, that's right, and Paul Rubin.

SPEAKER_06 36:58

I remember I remember that movie coming out. Well, I think it was in high school. Yeah, but what year did that come out?

SPEAKER_03 37:02

Hillary Swank was in it as well. Oh my goodness, I I'd forgotten how old 1992 it was. Yeah, so he's back in school now.

SPEAKER_06 37:10

I was still in high school, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

So um, and and then then then quite a number of years later, um Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV series came out. Um so we have had two iterations of the character. Um but the movie and the TV series are very different from each other, yeah. Um, and and I would expect that from Joss Whedon. He would have, you know, sort of taken a really strong creative license and might have involved it to something else.

SPEAKER_06 37:34

But he's not involved in this current No, no, no, he's not. No, and he's not completely I guess he's not going to be involved in Firefly, no, he's not involved.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

He's given the approval for Firefly.

SPEAKER_06 37:43

I heard Nathan Fillion's um wording around that.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

Yeah, so so he's given approval, um, but he's not involved with it either. Um, so that's fine. Um so um I'll say no, I'll say no more. So watch this space, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Let's see what happens. Um hopefully it does. I mean, I look, I'm a fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I've seen every single episode, I've watched every episode of Angel back in the day. Um, I haven't revisited it at all. Um, but at the time that it was on, it was part of my you know watch list.

SPEAKER_06 38:17

Yeah, I remember it was uh you know, my friend circle had yeah, um some massive, massive Buffy fans. Yes, correct. And um and they adored it. And I was and uh it was for them that I was gutted about this news. I just think it's really, really sad.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

Yeah, so um, yeah, just unfortunately, you know, that's the that's the way the world's turning when it comes to franchise at the moment. They're picking and choosing what they want. While we're while we're talking about gutted, um the interesting news that came, and I don't know if you've you've seen this, is uh about G.I. Joe. Um so uh Paramount have passed on Max Landis, uh Landis's G.I. Joe script. So if you remember a couple of weeks ago, um pulsters, we were talking about how we were having Danny McBride and uh Max Landis um doing two separate scripts and they're gonna match them together.

SPEAKER_06 39:08

Dueling scripts.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

Well, apparently that's not correct. So the correct never it never sounded like it. Yeah, I know, right? But that's what everyone was led to believe, right? Um what it was actually was a competition between Max Landis and Danny McBride to write a script, and whoever wrote the better script was going to get the film.

SPEAKER_06 39:29

And so now it makes more sense, although doing doing that and announcing it in a public forum seems a bit gross.

SPEAKER_03 39:35

Yeah, look, it it's it I I actually kind of like the idea of um having competing scripts um for a for a film.

SPEAKER_06 39:47

I'm sure that's common practice and I'm sure it's been common practice forever, but they don't make it public though.

SPEAKER_03 39:51

No. Um but this has definitely been very public. And um so I feel I feel for Max, you know, that that these that it that this is kind of what's happened. Um but it's it's interesting because that he the way that from my understanding of the script um is is that Cobra has um is already in control of the world. And G.I. Joe is now a faction, an underground faction, trying to restore order um to the the world and remove Cobra from from running it. So that's can't say that's the script.

SPEAKER_06 40:29

A familiar sounding formula.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

Maybe that's why I got cancelled, right?

SPEAKER_06 40:32

So So that was what Max Landerson's idea was.

SPEAKER_03 40:35

Yeah, that's what Max Landers' script that turned in.

SPEAKER_06 40:38

Somebody in the meeting sat up and said, Um, have you seen Star Wars?

SPEAKER_03 40:42

So so yeah, so he's so so he's out. Danny McBride hasn't turned in a script yet, from my understanding. Um and um yeah, well, that uh we don't like it, out the window. What's the other guy got? Nothing. Yeah, that's why the studio only has one window that's open, it's just they can cut the scripts out of it, right? Right, okay. So um very toxic. Yeah, so um so he's out. Um Danny McBride is gonna write his. I I imagine that his is gonna be be very comedic um from you know other other works that he's written before.

SPEAKER_06 41:17

Yeah, we don't know. I mean it's like m Seth Rogan. Um that's true, very good point. Seth Rogan, who um I they I guess they're mates. I mean they're collaborators, aren't they? Yes, they are. Um, you know, he it not all of his stuff is purely comedic. Yeah. Like I haven't seen Preacher, but Preacher wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_06 41:37

No, and that was one of his shows. And and and even the boys, like the because the Seth Rogan's involved with the boys, isn't he? Yes, he is, yeah. And it's um I mean that's funny. Yes, but it's not, you know, um uh sort of strictly a comedy.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

Yes, no, that's that's a that's a that's a really good point. I I hadn't thought of it in that.

SPEAKER_06 41:56

Um I mean I'd imagine that you know Danny McBride would probably bring a similar similar sort of sensibility to it. Um particularly if he's a big fan. Like if he's a big fan of G.I. Joe, he's gonna take he's gonna take it seriously. He's gonna want to be he's gonna want to to be treated seriously.

SPEAKER_03 42:12

Yeah, I I would definitely be treating it seriously being a fan. So I'm sure he will. Yeah, let's let's happen.

SPEAKER_06 42:18

Yeah, I mean, um I'd have to have a look at his writing credits, but yeah, presumably Danny McBride's been involved in writing on Righteous Gemstones and he was so good in trying that was such a good series.

SPEAKER_03 42:30

Yeah, but all of that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_06 42:32

Like he's a he's a clever dude, so um no, I I don't think it's necessarily negative. It's obviously negative for Max Landis, but Max Landis will he'll find something else. He's a talented dude.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

He'll go on to to another another franchise, no doubt. Yeah. Um uh good news talking about franchises, uh Severance season three. Okay. It's about start shooting. So so so um long time coming. Um we probably won't get it until most likely next year. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I'm looking forward to season three. I'm gonna have to do a rewatch now because um yeah, I'll forget some of those things that are in it.

SPEAKER_06 43:10

We're um enjoying, but we've been dragging our feet on season two, so we haven't finished yet.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Yeah, enjoying it though? Yeah, loving it.

SPEAKER_06 43:17

It's so good. We're just uh taking our time. Yeah, absolutely. Um no, but it is, it's it's really, really good. Yeah, um no, that's good news. Um more um uh TV production news. Yes. Um I I don't think you've watched it, but um uh producer Kim and I really enjoyed it. But Percy Jackson and uh uh Olympians.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

Oh, that's been picked up, hasn't it? For seasons?

SPEAKER_06 43:41

Season two finished a short time ago. Yeah and they um uh sort of teased it not teased, they announced that season three was gonna premiere before the end of the year. And they recently finished um uh uh filming that season, so they rapped, and they announced that that season Is going to be uh called Demigods.

SPEAKER_05 44:02

Oh.

SPEAKER_06 44:03

Um. So the previous one was uh Sea of Monsters or something. Right. And this this one's gonna be called Demigods. Um so yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, to know that they're going into post-production and stuff on that, because um that's been one of our more uh uh favorite shows from Disney Plus.

SPEAKER_03 44:21

Yeah, it's it's on my list, it's on my list, I just haven't got to it yet.

SPEAKER_06 44:24

Yeah, no, it's it's it's really worth getting to at some stage, but um it's yeah, uh whenever you're ready. Yeah. Um and the other bit of news that I had written down, which is probably one of the things that I'm most excited about as a DC fan, is that they announced that um Aaron Pierre, who's uh playing Jon Stewart in uh the HBO Lantern show, is gonna be reprising that role in Man of Tomorrow, the next Superman movie from James Gunn. Yep. That's due out next year. Yeah. Um so I think that's really exciting. It um hopefully shows an evolution in the um roster of the Justice League. Yeah. Well, the Justice Gang that we saw in the first Superman movie. Um and yeah, it'd be interesting to see how um that character interacts with um uh Hawk Girl.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

Yes, because they've I mean, obviously in the comics and also in the um animated series, they had a relationship. That's right. Um I think uh in an alternate universe, didn't they have a child or they did.

SPEAKER_06 45:28

Uh yeah, um put me on the spot. No, I'm trying to remember which one it was, but um yeah, they did, yeah, uh at some point. So um there's a uh a long-standing link between those two characters. I just think it'd be interesting to um see, particularly with uh James Gunn on script writing juice just to see um if there's any you know scenes between that, not necessarily whether there's a relationship, but um just to see how those two characters interact, but I think it would be really fun.

SPEAKER_03 45:59

And I think you know, we were talking about lanterns in the last episode, and what we uh what we were talking about was that um what's the timeline in here for lanterns versus the rest of the DC universe that James Gunn is sort of in at the moment, right? Yeah, and so what does that look like? And so I think we're going to see a very big difference in timeline with the next Superman film when it comes to because John will be very established um in his role to be part of Superman, I would be guessing. He won't be just the novice, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:38

So you're making that you're making the same assumption that I am that lanterns is going to take place well before Man of Tomorrow. Yeah, yeah um yeah, I suspect that you're probably right. Whether we uh get a whole lot of Aaron Pierre as John Stewart in Man of Tomorrow, I don't know. Yeah, I kind of feel like we will.

SPEAKER_03 46:56

Yeah, I think I think we will. We got enough we've got Gardner, so well and Mr.

SPEAKER_06 47:00

Terrific and Mr. Terrific, but I just I I I don't know why. I feel like um perhaps, especially if this has got a cosmic scale, as we know that it's going to, yeah, because we've got Brainiac cast in this film.

SPEAKER_03 47:14

We'll need someone who well you know makes his way around other spacefaring heroes, the cosmos.

SPEAKER_06 47:20

Yeah, so yeah. Um so I wouldn't be surprised if um that we get quite a bit of Jon Stewart in this film. Maybe this'll be where he really comes into his own.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 47:29

You know, the the people that have been criticizing the look of the lanterns teaser, yes, perhaps this will give them something to um hold on to in terms of the the spacefaring side of lanterns. Yeah, um, you know, maybe it'll uh uh sort of build beyond um the level of uh scale that we see in lanterns. Yeah, totally speculating, we don't know. Lanterns could be, you know, massive, huge, expansive galaxy hopping type stuff. But um yeah, and I think it's it's really exciting. Um I love the connective tissue that's being sewn between all these properties.

SPEAKER_03 48:09

I I I 100% agree. Um it's interesting that we're we're talking about Justice League and the lead up to Superman because it was announced that um in comic news that um Lex Luther is joining the Justice League. Have you seen that? Again. Yeah. So he's wearing his war, is he they call it his war suit? Is that what they call it? Or is something along that? I think it's which is his purple and green sort of you know, Iron Man-esque sort of suit that he wears.

SPEAKER_06 48:42

Weirdly with no helmet.

SPEAKER_03 48:43

We we weirdly with no helmet. Don't you think your head's like something that you want to protect?

SPEAKER_06 48:49

Especially with his head, it's like a massive target. Massive chrome. Um I don't know whether I've ever said it out loud, but in my head I always think of that um armour as Lex Luthor's uh egg cup armor.

SPEAKER_03 49:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:07

Just waiting for someone to crack it open with a giant spoon.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

Yeah, so again, he's joining the Justice League, it'll be interesting, and then that's obviously leading up to the Superman film. So that'll be interesting to see how that whether they're starting to, you know, sort of merge those universes a little bit closer together when it comes to comics and and the and the actual, you know, movie TV universe.

SPEAKER_06 49:32

Yeah, well, I mean they do usually tend to try and sort of um I mean we didn't have Peacemaker in Suicide Squad comics until Recently.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Well, not when I say recently over the last couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_06 49:44

But I don't I'm not sure that we had I I could be wrong, but I don't think we had him in Suicide Squad comics before we had him in the the Suicide Squad film. Yeah, correct. Um but I think that's okay. Yeah. I mean, you know, people a lot of people go to comics in the wake of having seen a comic book movie or television series because they want more.

SPEAKER_03 50:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 50:03

Um, and I don't think there's any harm in in giving them similar flavours, um, if not the same.

SPEAKER_03 50:09

So yeah, definitely. Um uh we've talked in great lengths about Star Trek Starfleet Academy. Um so I've got some news for you, and it's if you've been listening to this podcast, you'll know that we've been sort of you know making some large speculation about it. We've we've had some some you know notes on on how we feel about the about the show. Um and um, you know, fans are obviously giving a very similar, you know, flavor as to what what what we've been tasting. Yeah. And uh so um we I I think I made a pretty bold statement quite a number of episodes ago about how um uh season two's just finished rap, but it's just wrapped filming, yeah. Um and how we would see some some dramatic changes and some changes of of executive producers, etc. Something happened. Um well Paul Giamatti is not returning for season two. Oh, really? He is out, completely out. He's left the series, he's not going back. Um, they're hoping that he'll come back for season three, but there is no discussion at all about any future Star Trek projects, even after disc even after um Strange New Worlds. Right. So there's no uh so there's no no discussion at all coming out of Paramount at this stage about what's happening with the Star Trek franchise again.

SPEAKER_06 51:33

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

Yep. Um and uh they are split.

SPEAKER_06 51:37

Also terrifying.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

And they and they're saying that um the idea of season one was to ground the characters and get you used to them so that that way they could have more space adventures into season two, and so they are taking them off world into season two, which is what you and I were saying that they needed to do. Can we go back a step? Yep, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 52:02

I'm not I'm not keeping up. No, so is the news that Paul Giamatti's not coming back for season two, but season two is happening. Season two is happening because they're are they filming now?

SPEAKER_03 52:12

They're finished, it's completed, it's in the can.

SPEAKER_06 52:15

Oh, but and so they're announcing that he wasn't in it.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

No, not at all. He has announced that he's not not in it. Wow. So he's made the announcement he's not coming back. Um he's out. So it was uh Nos Bracker, it was the uh was the character that he played, and he was imperative to this whole storyline of the first season, really.

SPEAKER_06 52:35

Well, it's possible that it might have just been a season one thing, but I mean you can imagine though if they could have gotten Paul Giamatti back, they would have done it.

SPEAKER_03 52:42

Well, um I haven't seen it, but from my understanding, the season uh first season uh finale is a cliffhanger, which involves him in it.

SPEAKER_06 52:51

I have to admit, I've dropped off in the last.

SPEAKER_03 52:54

I've completely dropped I've completely dropped it, so I'm not going back to that.

SPEAKER_06 52:57

No, we we haven't dropped it, we just haven't watched an episode for a few weeks because we've had limited time and we've been watching other stuff.

SPEAKER_03 53:03

Yeah, well that's that's that's exactly I've I've got to that and I said three episodes.

SPEAKER_06 53:08

It is possibly telling that we haven't prioritised it.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Yeah, yeah, and and and and it seems to be the case.

SPEAKER_06 53:13

Um my other question is is so you said that nothing has been announced beyond season two of the Starfleet. Starfleet. Because Strange New Worlds is done.

SPEAKER_03 53:25

Strange New Worlds finishes in season five.

SPEAKER_06 53:28

Season five. Which will be out next year. So that they've not announced, we don't know, we haven't got anything scheduled.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

Nothing is scheduled. And that's and that's a that's a worry in itself because with with with shows like this, there's always talk of what the next season's going to be, whether it be a guest, whether it be writers, whether it be EPs, whatever it's gonna be. Yeah, um, we're not getting any and and the chatter is just pretty much it's dead, dead silence coming out from Paramount regarding the the Star Trek franchise. And that has a lot to do with Starfleet Academy. Now I know some people are enjoying it, and and I'm not you know, you you just said before off air, you know, it wouldn't be boring if we were all liking the same thing. Um, and and I 100% agree with you. Um everybody you know gravitates towards you know that that that particular sort of franchise differently, right? Um some people really love Klingon episodes, some people really love um you know Ferengi episodes or whatever, you know, when it when it comes to the aliens. Some people just want to see them traveling into space and coming against a big bad one every week.

SPEAKER_05 54:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:36

Um the point is though, is that there is no real excitement and support for the Star Trek franchise right at this very moment.

SPEAKER_06 54:45

I don't know about that. Because I mean I I I listen to I listen to like one Star Trek podcast sort of casually. Like I just sort of check in when I want to hear what you know people 'cause you can. Well, yeah. Well I I I check in when I want to hear what Star Trek fans think about, you know, this TV show or this episode or this book or whatever. And when I tuned in um after Starfleet Starfleet Academy premiered, I was expecting them to rip through it because the the people that are on this podcast tend to be fairly staunch fans.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

Critical. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 55:22

I mean I think one of them's at least one of them's a writer and like they they they they tend to be fairly hard to please. They they're loving it.

SPEAKER_04 55:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 55:31

Like they're loving Starfleet Academy. Um and and to an extent that I was kind of surprised by. I mean, it's fine, you know, if they're if they're if they're loving it, that's great, obviously. But um, yeah, no, there's there's definitely I I I don't think there's necessarily you know, just because we feel a bit sort of negative about it doesn't mean that that's necessarily how the entire well not the entire fan base, but how a large segment of the fan base is feeling. I think more it's got to do with the uh the the off-screen Paramount stuff. Like and and and that's where I worry. Like I've I've spoken briefly about what what I you know think of the current ownership of of the regime of Paramount. Yeah. And that's where my worry is. Yeah. Like I I just want to know yeah, uh, I guess I just want to know how they're going to use this um franchise and this power that they've got. Maybe they're not going to use it at all. Yeah. You know, maybe they've decided that it's too woke. Yeah. And you know, uh it's it's heaven knows, it's it's very woke, and that's why we love it. It's a vision of the future of um, you know, people um from all backgrounds, all races, all planets getting along and working towards a better tomorrow. Yeah. Um it's it it's the pure definition of woke, and you know, maybe that's but I can't, I mean, they're not gonna shelve Star Trek, surely.

SPEAKER_03 56:58

Well, uh look, they've done it before. They have done it before. I mean, at the end of the next Deep Space Nine, we had that long hiatus before we had discovery.

SPEAKER_06 57:07

Yeah, but that's I mean, that's not the same sort of thing. Like, we've never I don't think we're gonna sh I don't think they're gonna shelve it.

SPEAKER_03 57:12

No, I just think they've got to they've gonna go back and re and the reason.

SPEAKER_06 57:16

Well well right what I mean is like we'll just explain, like we we haven't been here before. Like we haven't but we haven't been in a place where the ownership of the company is politically aligned to a divisive regime, shall we say. Like to put it in a very simple terms, you know, um it's it you we haven't been in this situation before, so it's difficult to know what they're going to do.

SPEAKER_03 57:41

I'm I'm draw I'm I'm drawing on the ratings, right? If you want to if you want to look at how it's rating, which I I mean I usually don't. It's not that's that's the thing. It's not rating, it's it's under, it's well and truly under any of the it's it's underperforming all the other Star Trek shows before it.

SPEAKER_06 57:59

Yeah, and whether I like it or not, that is a key demographic.

SPEAKER_03 58:01

And that's a and that's and that's a real a key measure, sorry. That's right. It's a huge, it's a huge measure to say, well, it's it's not giving us our bang for our buck, right?

SPEAKER_05 58:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:11

And and so as a as a franchise, they they want to get their bang for their buck. I mean, Discovery in its first season was struggling big time.

SPEAKER_05 58:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

But even though those ratings are above the average of what Starflight Academy is.

SPEAKER_05 58:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:27

And so saying that, um, it they they're really, really struggling. And I think like like we spoke about in length quite a number of episodes ago, and I said that they're gonna retool and we'll see a very different season two. Yeah, I believe that that's what's gonna happen as a really good go to see if they can mend their mistakes. Or they've they've already done it, right? It's in the can. They've probably been watching what's been happening on the sidelines of season one, yeah, and going, okay, that doesn't work, that doesn't work, most of this doesn't work. We're now gonna have to shift gears and we're gonna have to change it into that. And so that announcement about Paul Giamatti being out, and then um Paramount coming out not long later, um, with the uh showrunners saying, Oh, you know, we're we're we're really excited about the direction of season two, right? They're pumping up season two, and it's not even due until next year. And so they're already pumping it up, which says to me a big deal about about the promotional engineering.

SPEAKER_06 59:27

If they're I mean, if they've already made it, there's only so much if they've already filmed it, there's only so much they can do in post-production and editing.

SPEAKER_03 59:34

That's right.

SPEAKER_06 59:35

Like they have to pump it up.

SPEAKER_03 59:36

That's right, but they're pumping up now before next year, and they're saying, you know, we're changing it, we're gonna we're gonna put them in space, you know, they're they're deep rooted now in the in in being, you know, staff with academy students.

SPEAKER_06 59:50

San Francisco.

SPEAKER_03 59:51

Um and now they're going now we're gonna you know spread their winds, get get get them into space. Okay. And so these are the things that you start to see happening when they're gonna change the show. Um and and and it's you know, it's it's a it's a proven formula in in Hollywood, um, where you start hearing about executive producers being new and um chain, you know, retooling and um new new actors you know coming on board and um you know uh a stay you know, a stable character is now being now gone. You know, so someone like Paul Joe Marty, um who was in the who was in the um the finale, yeah, which was uh cliffhanger apparently, is not gonna turn up in the start of season two. Okay. So they need to fix that very, very quickly. And they said that they will do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:40

Well, I'm definitely gonna keep watching because it's Star Trek and I tend to be fairly patient with these things. Yeah. Um but I just if they if they need to do any retooling, from my opinion, it's that they just need to take the franchise a little bit more seriously. Um they need to treat the subject matter a little bit more intelligently. Yeah um and get the balance right. Yeah, like I don't mind them having the whole the like the they're in school. Yeah, it's start it's called Staff Lead Academy. Like they are college kids, effectively. They're gonna get up to the CW production, right? Well, you know, sort of, but it doesn't I mean it doesn't have to be. No, like it doesn't have to be strictly that. No, it doesn't have to be only that.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:26

But it can have elements of it, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:28

In the episodes that I've seen so far, there's a bit too much of that sort of campus silliness and not enough not enough learning, not enough science, not enough, not enough space um philosophical discussion and yeah, and there's just a couple of you know challenges that the the the story group has that that I don't think they've addressed particularly well. Like I know it's a difficult thing to manage, but if every time that they do go into space they get into some sort of disaster that costs lives, yeah. Like if that was happening in a school, like I understand it's fiction, but if if that was happening in a school, something to be done about it. Yeah. And I just feel like if they tackled that as a story trope or as a story problem, they could come up with some interesting storylines around it. It's a bit like um the red shirt problem from back in the day. Like if you kept if you were losing red shirts like they were you're losing red shirts during the original Star Trek and in even into next generation, there'd be an inquiry. Yeah like at least and you'd do something about it. But but like you you you to ignore that you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:37

No one would want to be no one would want to be a redshirt, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:39

No, but that but that's the thing, it like it literally sort of becomes a joke. Yeah, yeah. And and and I don't want it to become a joke that every time they go on you know away mission. Uh well I was gonna say space excursion, yeah, yeah, that you know, something catastrophic happens and people die. Like I I prefer that they kind of tackled that as a story problem. And I don't know how to do that. I'm not but I'm not a professional writer in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

If if if I had a choice, if it was me, I would go back to the old tested formula that worked back when we were doing X-Files and Next Generation and all that error. Let's just go with a monster of the week or a or an anomaly of the week, right? Start with an anomaly of week. What that does is it allows us to be able to build character base, it'd be able, it's able to have deep thought, philosophical discussions, um, and a good resolution where the show becomes very grounded, and then you can have a nice long arching story over the next season with little bits of elements from the first season. What what we're feel what we're seeing is that we're trying to do these sort of big grandscape storylines that carry over the entire season, and we're seeing that in most productions now where it's at one story which is carrying through. X-Files, for instance, the new X-Files reboot is going to be one story, it's not creature of the week like we did in Buffy or X-Files.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:03

Some more of like a true detective.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:05

It's more like a true detective, which is gonna yeah, where it's one story over the entire season.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:10

I think but there there must be a way to do it where there's a balance of both.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:15

I think you can. But but that's what I'm saying. That's that's what I'm saying. I I think I think if you you you rather than rather than trying to do something big and grand, yeah, try and do, try and be compact. I mean, you know, you look at the comics at the moment, the compact comics are really popular, right? Because it's taking that big and grand storyline and putting them into something that's a little bit more digestible. And I think that that's the same with with with something like Star Trek because it's so rich in history, and and for such a long time, and fans of multi-generations, where we don't need to be big and grand, the the the stories themselves can be big and grand in a compact version.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:53

I was just talking about this uh earlier today at home, and it's because of um some comics that I've been reading this week that I'll talk about later in the aisle. And what I was saying is that um in the short time that I've been working at the comic shop, I've become aware that there's obviously different types of fans that like different types of uh comic and graphic novel reading experiences. And one of the ones that um is very distinct to me, and it's not surprising, but it's very distinct to me that there's a certain type of comic reader that really likes uh a start, a middle, and an end. Yeah. Um and that's not what you get from say traditional uh say uh, as an example, Superman comics or X-Men comics or the like. Um again, someone described them during the week as um soap operas for boys. Yep, which yeah, is it's one way of it. It's an older sort of reference um because you know my belief is that your comics are for every are for everybody. Yeah, that's right. Boys, girls, are they whatever. Um they're they're for everybody. But the point. The point still sort of stands, you know. That those the soap opera tag is referring to the fact that if you get the same sort of thing in every issue or or uh version of it, it's comforting. That's like that's why people watch soap operas, that's why people watch neighbours or general hospital or whatever it is, you know. But uh it's because you know what you're gonna get from start to finish, and that's and there's comfort in that, and there's nothing wrong with that. But then there's the the the um the the people that wouldn't like knowing that in 12 issues they're gonna get a story that's gonna get wrapped up. It's the same in television. Um and in in modern television, I think you know I think the best thing to do with a show like Star Trek is try and find a balance between both. You can tell a long story that goes over a whole season, but you can have little pit stops along the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:53

But don't but don't have that as the feature, right? That that that that sort of carries you into the season, yeah, for the season. Yeah, but you need to have those pit stops as you refer to them as. That's your episode for that week.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:09

And it's not unrealistic, it's like it's like it's like life. Yeah, you know, life, you you you you're sort of um pursuing long-term things, but other stuff happens along the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:18

I I feel that's just the way stories are, yeah, and I feel we've moved away from that when it comes to TV. Yeah, it's very serialized now. You know, it's one story, carries all the way through, and that's what we're getting.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:29

Yeah, I I think that that's um that just because they're trying to hook people and make sure that they watch all 10 or 12 episodes. They keep them in. But um, I don't think it's always necessary. But yeah, my my main thing with Star Trek is I just want them to take the property more seriously. I want them to take the fans a bit more seriously, yep, and treat them a bit more intelligently. Um, and going forward, keep Star Trek woke. Like woke, but Star Trek is woke. You know, Star Trek, but wok woke woke is just a a a kind of gross word for progressive and compassionate. Yeah, like you know, Star Trek is about compassionate, it's about understanding, it's about meeting people midway, it's about different things. It's about different culture, it's about giving people opportunity, and it's about giving people the time of day to to be able to be their best and tell their own stories. Yeah, and that's what they need to do. How they're gonna do that under the under the current regime, I have no idea, but that's what they're going to have to do, otherwise people aren't gonna watch.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:29

Yeah, no, I I 100% agree with you. It's um let's let's watch this space, let's see what happens. Um, but let's talk about something that's a little bit more positive. Yes. Darkwing Duck. Have you seen this? We posted this on the socials. Um this this brings this brings joy to my heart.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:44

I did see it, but I I didn't didn't quite get the detail.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:48

So um what's going on? So Darkwing Duck, the reboot of uh Darkwing Duck is is is coming to Disney Plus.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:55

Live action.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:56

Yep, uh no no, it's it's still still animated. Uh we were talking about Seth Rogan before. Seth Rogan is actually producing this.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:02

Seth Rogan, live action, darkwing duck. You heard it here first.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:07

Um yeah, so he's um so he's uh executive producer on it. Um and the original voice uh actor Jim Cummings uh recently shared that the project is still moving forward behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:21

It's a legend.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:22

And some early work has already been recorded, so it's well and truly on its way to to happening.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:28

Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:29

I would say probably next year we'll see something that's a little bit more um, you know, sort of um cemented. Okay. Um the interesting part about it was is that Gosling uh Gosling? Goslin? Goslin. Goslin, his daughter, yeah, Darkwing Duck's daughter, yeah, um, is now an adult. Okay. So uh so they're they're they're really sort of um uh leaning into the time difference between when the first series was on to when it's gonna be um released. Nice. So that'll be that'll be great. I'm looking forward to that. So if you're a fan of Duckwing Duck, get excited.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:06

King of the Hill reboot style.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:08

Yeah, that was good.

unknown 1:10:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:10

I enjoyed that. Again, still watching it, but it's good.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

Yeah, I I really enjoyed that. Um uh moving on to some other news. Um, you're you're not watching One Piece um on Netflix yet, are you? I am.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:21

Oh, you are you enjoying it? Yeah, I'm still in season one, but um I am. I'm really enjoying it. I'm really looking forward to season two.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:28

Yeah, so season two's now dropped. Yeah. Um and I'm I'm about halfway through season two, and it's just it's really fun. It's delightful to watch. Yeah, it's great. Um, it really leans into that that anime um that it that it comes from. Yeah. Um, and um, you know, the character uh the actors who are playing those characters are just off the wall. They're really great to to watch. It's a really delightful um fun. And I mean we're getting into the rewatch here, but um it's it's so good. Um, and the reason I bring that up is because um we're getting a um a new series, uh a live action uh version of a uh of a of an animated uh series called uh Samurai Champloo. Now Samurai Champloo is is um from the producers of Cowboy Bebop. Okay. Um and we saw a live action Cowboy Bebop from Netflix, which wasn't so successful. Okay. Um, and you know, even though we had great actors that were part of that, yeah, um, it just sort of didn't translate very well. I think they leaned too heavily on the cartoon character, uh sorry, the animated character.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:37

But isn't I mean it is a really difficult thing to get right.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:40

It it is a difficult thing to get right, and I think that they probably with something like you know, and I'm a big cowboy bebop fan, like massive cowboy bebop fan. So um, you know, even for me, it was really hard to watch. Yeah, they didn't incorporate some of the characters that should have been in there.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:56

Um, and so they missed that that ensemble, you know, sort of cast that sort of helped to make it a glue of misfits. Yeah. Um and uh but I I think with One Piece what they've done is they've they've got the right formula now. They they've they've learned from that that I hate to say it, that mistake for for um Cowboy Bebop and said, okay, we need to do it in a better way.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:22

I think it I mean it'd be unrealistic to think that all of those adaptations of those, particularly the beloved um anime shows and movies are gonna translate to live action. Like but there's aspects about One Piece that I don't know how they work in live action, but I'd just love it. Yeah, um I've never I've never seen the animation, yeah. Um, but I'm determined once I've finished watching the live action stuff, or once I've caught up with it, to watch some of the animated stuff because I've fallen really hard for One Piece. I think it's great. It's so much fun. It's got me reading the manga. Oh, okay, yeah. I've I'm reading of uh there's a lot of them. Good luck. Yeah, there's heaps, but I love that. Uh I I love having so much to look forward to.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:04

Over a thousand episodes or something like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:06

Yeah, something ridiculous. Yeah, something like that. My my boys know more about it than I do. But um I I but I've started reading the the manga and and like I say, I I love knowing that there's so much of it ahead of me. Yeah, um, it's just great, wacky fun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:19

So samurai samurai champ loo, it's um it's it's set in um feudal Japan. Okay, nice. Um, and it's uh it's a a a group of three who are sort of on the run for various reasons. Um, and it leans right into like with cowboy bebop, we sort of had the western meets meets the space adventure. Yeah. This time we've got the samurai meets hip-hop. Um, so we've got a lot of hip-hop tracks. Um, one of the one of the um samurai in particular, his martial arts is pretty much just breakdancing with a blade. Okay. Um and it and it just works, right? It's just it's just one of those really creative ways of of sort of telling stories.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:03

That sounds fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:04

Um, and and it will be. If they if they do it along the same lines as One Piece, um and I think that they've got the formula right, I'm I'm really looking forward to um them doing this live action. No, that's great.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:17

Well, I'm I'm a hip hop fan and and um you know I've certainly been getting into my anime and my manga over the last three years. So um, yeah, bring it on.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:26

Yeah, absolutely. Um in in in the uh last part of um the news before we get into some other stuff. Um I I wanted to uh just ask you um whether you as a as a kid growing up, whether you ever had a Garfield phone.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:46

No. I remember the Garfield phones, but I never had one.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:49

Do you remember the Garfield phones?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:51

No, my parents wouldn't. They wouldn't have gone for that. Do you know I always wanted a Mickey Mouse phone?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:58

So so apparently Garfield phones have been washing up on beaches in France since 1983. Pardon? Yeah, so last week we brought you um uh you know maybe we'll we'll we'll call this like the the the the the wacky files. Um but uh we we won't call it that. We'll we'll come up with something, right? We'll we'll we'll we'll work on it. We'll we'll we'll get our executive producers on Star Trek to retool that.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:29

How about like instead of the X files we could call it the P files? I can't see anything wrong with calling it the P files.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:37

Oh, okay. Okay Thanks.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:40

Um you can see anything wrong with no don't don't let us know. We won't be calling it. No, no, we won't be definitely um washing up on beaches.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:48

Yeah, so so the Garfield phones have been washing up on beaches uh since uh 1983. Um and people have been wondering where these Garfield phones have been coming from. And fair enough. Um and so uh eventually um what they did is they sort of did a bit of a uh a look around, you know, and and they had search parties sort of trying to work out where these were all coming from, whether it was a practical joke or and what they found is is that there was uh it was um a local farmer found a hidden uh a cave with a shipping container wedged between two rocks, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:16:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:28

And when the volunteers finally reached it, they discovered a rusted, now I'm just reading this, a rusted container and Garfield phones scattered all around the rocks. And it had likely fallen from cargo ship during a storm decades earlier, and then over time the ocean had been releasing them back onto the shore ever since. So there you go, Garfield phones. If you want a Garfield phone, go to France, you can go get one, pick it up. A wet Garfield phone, yeah. And some of them don't look like Garfield looks like he's had way too many drugs. Oh wow, but um, yeah, fascinating. Again, you know, uh the wacky files um is is is is in full effect from last week's paracetamole ice cream. So um life the life finds a way. Yeah, well, life finds a Garfield phone. So um so that's that's that's it for the zest. Maybe let's get into the tomb. So uh we can't have more news. We we we do have more news, and it's um and it's really good news, actually. Okay. Um so um we've had the directors of uh who will be doing um the um uh doing doing the mummy four, they're they're on a bit of a press junket at the moment for um ready or not to uh and um which has Sarah Michelle Gabor in it. Yes. Um and uh and that's Tyler Gillett and um Matt uh Alpin. And um they have said that uh they are going they've confirmed that their plan is to emphasize on practical effects over CG. Right. Now I'm excited about that. I like the fact that they're gonna lean back into practical effects. Yeah. Um I mean it'll be interesting to see how they're going to be doing. I I they're still gonna have to lean into CG. I mean, definitely, but it's not uh it's not the base of the film.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:37

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:38

So we might not see the rock in his um Scorpion glory, then if that's the case.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:46

It's so good. Like if they if if they don't use some some of the modern technology to make it look like it's old tech technology, yeah, it'll be interesting, right? So it's I'm dying to see that. Like I'm I'm dying for them to use all of the the modern tricks to make it look sort of like it's cheesy and 20 something years old.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:04

Yeah, so let's let's let's see what happened. But um probably just me. You know, that's that's that's really exciting. Um and um so I'm I'm excited that um that that's happening. I'm excited that we are able to bring you more mummy news. Yes. Um and that's it for the tomb.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:28

67 weeks running. Or something like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:33

I think it's been uh I think I think it's like 17 episodes out of 20. So no, it's easily 47 out of 20. Oh okay. Do what we double up every every every every episode.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:45

I don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:46

Uh okay, let's um let's let's move into the aisle. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:19

So what have you been reading? Um yeah, I've been reading a few bits and pieces. Um I've been reading a really interesting graphic novel from Mad Cave called Hound. Oh, okay. Um it's uh from uh writer Sam Romersberg, um, and I think artist Sam Freeman Um and Rodrigo Vasquez. Um I'm not sure who does what in all of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:40

Are they are they uh it's so you've got like a tag team artists do you in that? I'm not I'm not sure. Right, okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:46

Uh that's just the names credited on the the the cover. Sure. Um but it's a um sort of supernatural-ish story set in World War One. Um and yeah, it's about this um uh soldier, young soldier that's fighting for the British forces in um uh World War One in the trenches. Um and it's it's basically a sort of uh uh fantastical meditation on the effect of war on um uh the human experience. Yep. Um it's it's um sort of a it's I mean it's a horror comic, but but the basic theme that runs through the whole thing for me is um you know just about uh the the the devastating effects of war on society but also on the individual and the and the toll that it uh violence of that level takes on um individuals, but it's it's told in a really um you know sort of horror type setting uh with you know uh undead people who are sort of um representative of people giving in to the violence of war. Oh, okay. Um and yeah, it was really good. I I really like the art and why is it called Hound? Uh it's called Hound because there's um uh a concurrent um uh pack of wolves. Oh, okay. Um that are moving amongst the the war zone and and amongst the the living and the dead. Right. Um and yeah, it's it it it's sort of um they're they're kind of the link for these. Yeah, they they sort of symbolize, I think, the animalistic nature of of of what um you know war of that nature uh m makes us descend to.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:35

Sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:36

Um but yeah, no, it was it was a really interesting um yeah, graphic novel that I that I found. Yeah. Um I've also been catching up on um some of Tom Taylor's detective comics, yeah. Um, which I've really been enjoying. Um it's been a little while since I've read any um Tom Taylor stuff. Um, but uh I've been saving up these detective comic issues for a while, and it's been really nice reconnecting with those. Nice being reminded what a um intelligent, um, creative and also funny writer um Tom is. Um yeah, he's the stuff that he brings to Batman and the Batman family um is uh yeah, not surprisingly, but but um but uh uh pleasingly fresh. Um and so it's been really nice to get back into detective comics. I've still got a bunch of issues um to read ahead of me.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:30

Um and it's no surprise to listeners that we're Tom Taylor fans and um you know we we love his work and support him um not only because he's a great writer but because he's uh he's a good Aussie bloke too. So um he's local. Yeah, he's he's he's local and your posts with um Nightwing um went off. That was that was crazy. Yeah, it did a bit.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:56

Um Tom Tom thanked you for the for the post. He did. Yeah, that was nice of him to to do that. Umbrush with fame. Yeah, no, it was nice. Um Tom's very good to people that are good to him online, so but it wasn't um too surprising. But no, but no, but he's he's he's very interactive with his fans who who are being positive, is what I mean. Yeah, I get it. Um and uh I mean that that was all I was really doing. Yeah. Um, but yeah, what it was it was nice to uh hear from Tom. Yeah. Um and it was a pleasure to sprook um Nightwing. Yeah. Um because it's one of my favourite uh things that he's done and that DC Comics in general have produced over the last few years. Definitely. Um but yeah, the spirit of that uh certainly lives on in this um detective comics run. It's really, really fun. Really uh it's got great gravity, the story. Yep. Um, but as I said, the the the dialogue is um you know at times really fun as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:54

Other than what he's written already, yeah. What other comic would you love to see him write? Um what uh what other or property or character or that you haven't that he hasn't done already?

SPEAKER_06 1:25:07

Yeah, look, I I do love these questions without notice. Yeah, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:11

Well that's that's the that's the show.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:12

So they never make me panic.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:14

People are sitting on the on the edge of the. You know what I would love to see?

SPEAKER_06 1:25:16

Well, it's difficult, it's difficult for me though, because like he he's written a lot of uh my favourites I have got an answer, I just thought of one. Yeah, but he's written a lot of my favourite DC characters because he's he's done the Titans, he's done Nightwing, now he's done Batman, he's written some Superman, um, did some great stuff with Jonathan Kent, um which I really loved and has changed that character in wonderful ways forever.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:41

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:42

Um I'd like to see him do Green Arrow.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:45

Oh, that's a good call. That's a good call. You know what I like to see him write?

SPEAKER_06 1:25:50

What?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:51

Firestorm. I think that would be fun. Yeah, it would be fun. Who's writing the new Firestorm? Yeah, I I don't have it in front of me at the moment. We'll insert here. It's the Fury of Firestorm, which is written by Jeff Lemire, and uh art is done by uh Rafael D. Letoro.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:10

Thank you, editing gods. Um yeah, no, I'd like to see him do um Green Arrow, although even as as I say that, I'd love to say uh I'm just thinking I'd love to see him write Hal Jordan.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:20

Uh I was gonna say Green Lantern as well. So I'd love I I think that would be a really interesting take.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:26

Because he does uh really write really uh great connective relationships between characters, yeah. Um like the stuff between um Barbara and Dick in Nightwing, I thought was great. The stuff between Dick and his uh brothers in Nightwing, um and and the stuff between the Titans in general in um his brief run on Titans as well were um was really really good. Yep. So yeah, uh but I but but if I had to pick one, like the next the next one for him to go to, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:00

Green Arrow. Yeah, Green Arrow. I I I would I'd probably lean more now towards Green Lantern seeing both we we're both thinking that as well. So I would I would love to say that.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:11

I wouldn't say no. Yeah, so Tom, if you're listening, yeah here's our suggestions walk into the DC office and just say slam your hands on the table and say I'm doing it. Yeah, right, you blokes. This is what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:25

Say I'm doing it. Yeah. And they'll say yes, sir. Three bags full, sir.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:29

Pretty sure that's how it works.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:30

Yeah, absolutely. Why not? Um anything else?

SPEAKER_06 1:27:34

Well, no, how about you? Yeah, well let's let's deviate towards your reading.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:38

Yeah, so um again, very limited this week for me. Um it's been a pretty big work week. I have let the team down and I apologise and I'm off the team pending drug charges, but you know, that's okay. I'll be back hopefully next week when I've tested posit uh negative. Jeez. Um but uh turn. Sorry, well uh anyway. uh I'm uh so I've been reading uh so I managed to get around to reading G.I. Joe uh issue 323 um this is uh issue 23 for Skybound yep um but it's uh carrying on the uh issue numbering for the entire series um which is 323 uh this is so hang on go backwards yep it's issue which for Skybound so for Skybound that's 25 right um and for uh for the overall series it's 325. Right okay cool so uh so it's um continuing with um you know fabulous writer Larry Hammer um who is just a I don't know what they're gonna do with this series when he retires from from writing this nailing it is he um yeah he he he well he just knows these characters right he's he's essentially created these characters after the after the TV series okay um uh well after the after the animated series and um uh and during and um and has just continued to to breathe life into them okay uh there did the and and this is done by um Chris uh Mooneyham who's done uh work on this on these books before uh and uh this this this one's really interesting because they've introduced two new characters two new Joes um who is RC which is a uh he's a drone um drone operator he's a transformer isn't he yeah RC yeah there is a there is an RC in um but that that's um that that's a uh female transformer right who was in the movie and then um is now in the skybound books yes yes um uh and uh and so we've got RC and we've got who's a drone operator and we've got uh long range who is a uh female sniper okay um and so they've been introduced into uh a the that they're on a mission uh and their their whole aim is to to observe and report um a um a small faction of um uh uh fundamentalists uh trying to take over uh a a government body and you know nothing that's happening in the world right now um and uh they uh and so they're they're using their their skills to be able to spy and report back but in typical Joe fashion things go terribly wrong and they have to use their skills to get out of um out of that uh particular territory okay um and it's great really good writing um you know wonderful um wonderful artwork and um just continuing to really enjoy the direction that they're moving in um over the next uh couple of issues I think we're getting six issues they're going back to that silent issue um sort of uh storylines again where we're going to have various covers with no dialogue yeah and it's just panels of of artwork silent missions yeah those silent missions so we're getting more of those but they were very popular the last time weren't they yeah they were they so the silent missions were actually done in the skybound version yeah um this is going to be in the um the the standard uh nice image good good um so we're gonna be seeing you know some of those characters again in in silent missions yeah um there is a very popular um issue um very early on which was snake eye was which was the snake eyes silent mission yeah which sort of started it all for for being able to tell stories without having any dialogue I love I I I do love that limitation when they put it on um the when the artists put it on the put it on themselves yeah and and and look you know there is a there's a level of pressure there for the writer to be able to write those panels totally that that the artist is able to translate and you know use their creative flair to tell that story as well. Yeah yeah so um you know um I I I you know hide hide my hat up high for for anybody who's doing that. Yeah. So yeah so that's that's what I mean reading I I promise next week I'll have a lot more to um to to to talk about but for this week it's just uh I'm back with my Joes.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:22

Alright no that's uh better than nothing. Yeah it's um good to at least it's a habit that you should at least keep chipping away at so that sounds like you've done that.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:33

Absolutely I'm I'm I'm still keeping keep keeping the flag flying even if it's only at at half mast. No good job.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:40

Now well I've um read a few other bits and pieces this week so I I can briefly talk about those um one of them that I've had in my reading pile for a while but I've finally started reading it is um uh Jeff Loeb and Tim Sayles um Hulk Grey story from years ago. Yep um I've had the trade paperback sitting in my uh reading pile and I've I've started reading that. Um this is where the Hulk is more savage isn't it is this or is it in the early days like it it it he's still in his grey form as the title suggests. But yeah it's it's it's really about um the the the the immediate aftermath of the gamma accident yep that gives him his powers but um I mean the real joy of this book uh like the other Jeff Loeb Tim Sayle uh Marvel sort of uh I think they call them the colour series right um is that the art's uh beautiful and stylized and spectacular um the writing's also really good which is no surprise from Jeff Loeb yeah um but uh yeah no I've I've just started reading those I'm in no rush to read them yeah because they're a joy to just take your time and digest yeah absolutely but um I'm really glad to have have started those I've still got a few others in my reading file to get to including Spider-Man um Dead Evil um but and and yeah I'm really looking forward to those especially uh now that Tim Sailor's no longer with us yeah um it's melancholy to read them but um it's nice to be able to have a legacy where we can still reread and enjoy exactly his work it's it it it it's um yeah nice to be able to have a look back on his art and remember the the the great man um who gave us so much so um yeah I've been reading those I've also started um reading the second chapter of uh the the Batman um set uh it's the second chapter it's called Second Night uh the first chapter was called First Night um yeah it's uh written by Dan Jurgens and um drawn by Mike Perkins who is I guess most famous for his art on Swamp Thing and it's um the second uh volume of uh DC black label series uh with Batman set in the 1940s. Okay. So it's effectively the um original version of Batman that we saw when he first appeared in the um in the movie in Detective 27 by Bob Kane. Oh right and Bill and Bill Finger. Yep. Yeah he's wearing that suit with the belt and um you know he's got very basic um equipment and in one of the scenes in um this issue that I just read that made me smile was um he pulled out a batarang and a piece of string and he tied the battering to the pieces pieces of string and then he threw it to a building so he could swing across like you can't get more basic than that. There's no like compressed air you know firing all that sort of stuff. Yeah. So yeah no I'm really enjoying those because I like stuff that's set in um uh previous eras like Gotham by Gaslight um and this one being set in the 1940s is is really really fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:52

So is that part of the Else Worlds or is that part of the black label?

SPEAKER_06 1:35:55

It's just part of black label it's not it's not officially part of Else Worlds but I guess it kind of is yeah um but it's basically yeah Dan Jurgens um I think taking that original incarnation of of Batman and trying to bring it into a more modern context. Being a black label book it's got some um I guess adult language for want of another expression um and the the violence is quite um yeah graphic at times as you would expect from uh an artist that's worked you know on Swamp Thing um but it's really fun because in this uh issue it's introduced Lois Lane so it's sort of alluding to a broader DC universe. Um it also includes the character of Julie um of her her surnames escape me but Julie was featured in very early issues of um Detective and Batman she was uh Bruce Wayne's fiance in the early days and so it's reintroduced her into a modern context gotcha um so that's been really fun um probably the highlight of my reading this week though um was a recommendation I got from Sean at um All-Star Comics um he just happened to mention this series called uh Friday which I was vaguely vaguely aware of it's um uh sort of a crime supernatural um uh thriller type series from um Ed Brubaker and I think um it's Marcos Martin okay um and it's a three volume series from Image um and um yeah Sean just mentioned it to me because he thought that I would like it um and he was correct um I've ripped through all three volumes which is um uh origin originally was nine issues um and yeah I can't recommend that one highly enough yeah wow the premise of it is sort of um it's like a sequel it's a it's as if there was a sequel to a um uh say a like a uh famous five or Hardy Boys right type situation. There's these two um uh kids uh that uh during their childhood uh in their New England um hometown solved crimes together um and uh this story takes place in the wake of that when one of them's gone away to college the other one's stayed at home um they basically reconnect and it's about them uh sort of becoming adults um but also some you know more serious stuff is happening around their town um the art's beautiful um it's sort of got a period type feel in it to it that's sort of reminiscent of like the um you know wintertime in the 1970s or 80s um and yeah it takes all sorts of you know wild uh turns there's a whole lot of cliffhangers in it um and I remember cold again it's called Friday it's named after the the main character whose name is Friday Fitzhugh I thought that was when you're supposed to read it was on Friday. You can okay um probably Friday the 13th I'd suggest yeah just that's been gone thematically it'd work well there'd be a there'll be another one there'll be another one I think there's three this year actually so there you go there's plenty of opportunities but um no I really enjoyed Friday too so it was that's that that interests me uh I I like those sort of stories I can I can hook you up because um I swiftly brought all bought all three volumes um like the sucker I am but um I regret nothing good uh yeah so that's that's me for this week all right no worries well why don't we uh why don't we get into our feature which is uh obviously we're celebrating um all things uh St.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:39

Patrick's Day yes um and uh we want to be culturally culturally appropriate when without using any uh any sort of terms let's see how that let's see how that goes. Yeah anyway well good luck to us and uh thanks for thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:58

It was fun while it lasted.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:00

So what are we going to do to celebrate this uh uh let's do a holiest of days I'm gonna I'm gonna call it pop culture potter of gold that didn't last long there you go uh so yeah and uh this is just to um just to just to highlight the uh the influence that the uh that the Irish have had on uh comics and TV and film and move and you know um music even right okay so I thought I'd just sort of give you a couple of um oh well a couple I've got got quite a bit a few notes here um of uh of of that Irish influence all right hit me um so so let's go with comics so uh I I was sort of looking around and trying to work out you know uh what Irish um nationality uh characters there was yes um obviously uh a very large contingent is sitting inside the X-Men universe yes uh where we have Banshee yes uh so for those of you who who don't know Sean Cassidy is the character who plays uh the code name is Banshee yes uh and he essentially has a like a sonic scream power which allows him to fly is that the best way to describe him I think that's that's that's uh one of the perks yes yeah yeah so he first appeared in X-Men 28 yeah um and uh he had a daughter whose name was Siren yes uh who is obviously also got very similar abilities um and is a member of X-Force and uh X Factor. Yep. Uh uh after that we've got black Tom Cassidy which is uh Banshee's cousin um also from Marvel Comics um Hitman um was uh so Tom uh Tommy Monahan um who's an Irish American assassin okay was introduced in Demon 42 um and later had a hit cult series Hitman by the same name um which was done by um Garth Ennis yeah that was a DC vertigo yeah it was a vertigo book I think it was yeah okay yeah um uh we've got uh Finn Cooley who uh is in the DC universe yeah uh he was a villain in Daredevil uh so um and and he was inspired by uh I'm mythology the Irish mob in um uh the original Daredevil Netflix show wasn't it yeah that's right um Matt Murdoch himself Matt Murdoch oh I haven't got to that but Matt Murdoch is uh that was the next um and um look into that um immensely you know he's Irish Catholic so it goes in hand handed off his mocks really isn't it so um and then the last one we've got is um Silverbanshee which was uh also part of the DC uh under the swing um and um battles by man's um originally created by John Byrne right okay um in the 1980s um in like actually no she appeared in the Man of Steel mini series that launched those but I think I'm getting her confused um but she definitely appeared in um I think it's was uh the Superman run that followed yeah um and yeah really good character um continues into this day um even features I think it's safe to say in um my adventures with superman the animated series that's correct yes um and in current comics is actually um not so much a hero but um not not as much of a villain anti-hero uh yeah but is um a love interest of Jimmy Olsen oh okay yeah interesting yeah Jimmy gets around doesn't he yeah he does yeah but when you turn into a turtle and a giant turtle man yeah um you're gonna meet some interesting people presumably I don't know good to know yeah I don't have any experience good to know uh moving on to probably one of the sugaryest serials of all time I knew this was coming yeah uh Lucky the Leprechaun from Lucky Charms uh he also appeared uh in comics and animated ads for decades representing the Irish folklore uh leprechaun who uh brought goodness in the form of cereal.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:34

Lucky charms were something that was on my radar from a very young age because of comics. Because of comics. Agreed because the ads would always appear in comic books and I knew that we didn't have Lucky Charms here in Australia and so from a certain point of view it was something that I covered from afar was to try Lucky Charms one day. And I finally did it in 2024 when um I and producer Kim and the rest of our family went to Los Angeles and visited Disneyland and Universal Studios and all that sort of stuff. One of the first things I did was I had a bowl of Lucky Charms by the pool in um in Hollywood. How'd you feel about it?

SPEAKER_03 1:45:15

They were great yeah they're good yeah I I've had them recently too um we we we got some from uh USA Foods here in Maradon and um yeah I cleaned those up quick smart yeah it it's it's it it it does bring back good memories I mean look there's nothing really healthy about the cereal um uh what do you mean but uh yeah it brings back memories of when uh as a kid when I lived in the US and I think my one of my first memories of going to the supermarket was uh going down the cereal aisle and just remembering how large it was uh and uh that was the first uh item that I purchased uh was uh was a box of lucky chums because I'd seen it in the comic books so I can't get past the fact that you called them unhealthy like they're they're they've they feature like the long lost food group rainbows well that's that's that's that's sort of part of the Irish charm isn't it yeah that's right yeah it's uh the the the the the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow right or this is this is this is the uh this is the serial at the end of the rainbow no more like no more lucky charm smack talk on this podcast no definitely not uh we've got uh some tv series that are heavily influenced by um by the Irish which was Father Ted the comedy yes uh we have dairy girls yes one of your favourites yes uh and Mrs. Brown's boys I knew that was coming here so um I couldn't think of any others um when I was going through these but um we're gonna get absolutely slaughtered yeah well you know like hit us up on the socials um if there's something that's uh be nice something that we've missed let us know um if there's something that we've missed yeah if there's something that we've missed uh moving on to Irish actors uh we've got Liam Neeson we do uh we've got uh Pierce Brosden yes uh we have um uh Brendan Gleason yes uh so for those of you who might not know Brendan Gleason he played Alistair Moody in the uh Harry Potter films he did um and Donald Gleason uh father of Donald Gleason who's um general hucks from Star Wars and um the star of the recent Taylor Swift music video. And it's funny you should say that because I have Donald Gleason on here as well. So um what about um for a little bit of representation how about Jesse Buckley who won an Oscar yesterday yeah well no but that's great that you have him on there my apologies I've really done a bit of a Jesse Buckley of course won an Oscar for um her role in in Hamlet uh yesterday yes um congratulations Jesse on ears in the show and apologies that I called you him instead of a herds the pronouns wrong leads me to to um uh talking about Paul Mescal who was her co-star in that movie yes um yeah yes it it it it yeah thank you please I'll let you have the uh I'll cross those off the list yeah have the have the steering wheel back yeah okay Gabriel Byrne from the usual suspects uh we have uh Killian Murphy uh Gabriel Byrne was in um uh one of my favourite lesser known HBO TV series uh the treatment in treatment in treatment in treatment so good yeah yeah interesting I never watched the sequel follow up oh is there yeah I never watched it it didn't have him in it it had oh what's our do bar I think that's yeah um uh it was also meant to be really good yeah but um I really enjoyed the original version of that with Gabriel Bernan yeah I th that that might be worth a rewrite yeah um okay we've got uh Colin Farrell who uh from the Batman to be sure uh Penguin TV series in Burgess um in Bruges in Bruges um we also have um is it is sorcy uh Sir Sersha yeah Sersha Ronan Sersha Ronan is that who you that's who I was that's who you're going for yeah yep yep and I'll always butcher people's names uh Andrew Scott who played Moriarty in Sherlock um and he's been in some other things uh of late he was actually in the last uh knives out um film he was he as well he's been quite prolific over the last ten years and he was great in that uh Michael Fassbender he was in um Andrew Scott just quietly he was in Blue Moon okay with Ethan Hawke um Ethan Hawke was nominated for an Oscar yesterday as well um but yeah Andrew Scott was very good in that yeah uh Michael Fassbender uh we have uh Jamie Doran uh and um uh Kenneth Brenner uh who uh did who of late Has been doing the Agatha Christie uh films.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:02

He directed the one movie that I watched this week.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:05

Uh which one was that one?

SPEAKER_06 1:50:06

Uh the 2015 version of Cinderella. Oh, okay. Yeah, I finally got around to watching it this week. Right. It was really good by the way. Yeah. I didn't know he actually directed that one. No, I did, but I'd forgotten. He also brought us thaw as well. You did? Um yeah, no, he's a very talented actor and director. But I don't know. Yeah, just briefly, I hadn't watched that version of Cinderella. It'd have been a long time coming. And um I really enjoyed it. I thought it was really good.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:36

Uh keeping on with movies, uh the uh probably one of the classics, uh The Quiet Man, which was from 1952. Yes. Uh it starred uh John Wayne um and celebrated Irish rural life and Coltchok um when coming to America. No doubt the accents were on point. Um I'm sure they weren't, um, but at the time um they probably thought that they were doing the right thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:59

To be sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:01

We have uh the cult classic uh Boondock Saints, which is the Irish American brothers who became vigilantes in Boston, um, which was uh what was it, Sean Patrick Flannery and uh Norman Reedus. I think that was Norman Reedus's like first sort of where where he was sort of seen to you know be a a a good actor and move into his one of his starring roles. Um that sounds right. Yeah, and um so and then they followed up with a sequel, I think, of uh quite a number of years later, after he moved on to um uh The Walking Dead. Okay. So there is a there is a sequel to that. Nice. Uh we also had the romantic comedy um which was set in an island called Lipia, um, which has one of your uh favourite actresses, Amy Adams. Yes. Uh that was back in 2010. Mark and Mark. Uh and uh we also had um the uh the English version of uh Infernal Affairs, which is the departed. Oh yes, you know, which uh which is directed by Martin Scorsese and you know, Boston crime film that heavily explores the um Irish American mob. Yep. Um so um again, very different from Infernal. Same theme, different different uh type of style movie. Um so uh we've got some animation as well. So uh there was the and I haven't seen any of these, but I'm actually really interested now about some of these. Uh there was the Oscar-nominated uh The Secret of Callus, uh, which was in uh 2009, um, which is based on Irish mythology and medieval history. Okay. Uh we've got the Song of the Sea, which was 2014. I know about this one, um, uh, which explores Irish folklore. Um and then we've got uh Darby O'Gill and the Little People. That just I don't know, it's done in 1959, so it says a lot.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:06

Um who was in that? Was it it's a Disney, it was actually a Disney classic. Is it Danny Kay or uh it was Sean Connery, it was one of his early it was one of his very, very early films. It was before Bond. Way before Bond. It was done in 59. So I think he was 62, 63, I think was his first Bond.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:28

It was only a few years.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:29

Well, I mean, still a number of years before.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:32

Um so we might say that Darby O'Gill and the little people were were responsible for for the original James Bond.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:38

For James Bond, right? Yeah, okay. I I I I wonder how that holds up now. Anyway, uh music influences. Uh we have Bono, who's the front man of uh U2. Correct. Um probably one of the most successful rock bands in history. Uh we have probably well, one off. There's there's quite a number of different bands. They're definitely one of the most successful rock bands. They'd be in the top five.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:03

Yeah. No, yeah. I'm not ranking them, but I'm just saying they they're definitely a very successful band of uh the last century.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:11

Is it Hose or Hosier?

SPEAKER_06 1:54:12

Hosher.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:13

Hosher.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:14

Uh so Hosier, um uh they're they're in there with um their their their hit Take Me to Church. That's probably what you remember the most. I do. Um, which you know blends that blues and soul and indie pop. Yep. Um we have uh uh Niall Horan uh from uh One Direction.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:32

Yes. Um your favorite one D.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:35

Absolutely is my favorite one D.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:37

Well, you're only human.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:41

Uh we have um the uh the irrepressible Shenada Connor, um who uh who has that emotional cover of nothing compares to you.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:52

Um and uh very haunting voice.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:56

Irish icon.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:56

Irish icon. Uh talking about Irish icons, the cranberries, um, with uh with songs like The Zombie and Linger.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:05

Uh The Cause, very, very Irish um uh brother and sister uh group. Brother and sisters. Brother and Sisters group. There's three of them. Yeah, there is. Um Love the Cause. Yeah, love the cause too. Um and uh West Life, I know it's your favourite band.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:24

Oh a thousand percent.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:25

Yeah, who's your favourite Westlifer?

SPEAKER_06 1:55:28

Um Ronan. Oscar the Grouch.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:35

Uh so yeah, Westlife and and I'm pretty sure he was in there. And and and talking about Ronan Keening, we've got Boysli uh Boy Zone. Um so so they're in that. Um going going back a little bit, we've got Thin Lizzie, um, you know, with their their famous The Boys Are Back in Town, which I think's been used on so many, so many films and TV shows and all the rest of it. Um and uh and and somebody that brought Nate. Someone that brought the the uh the ethereal hit uh Orinoco Flow is Enya. Oh Enya? Yes, yes sail away, sail away, sail away.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:12

Uh do you know what I from a pop culture perspective? Yeah of course what I think of with Enya is uh from Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:20

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I yeah, I hadn't thought of that, but yeah, now you say that, yeah. Absolutely, it's spot on. Um so that is uh that we we we we hope that we uh we uh we brought some some Irish culture to you. Yep from two white guys um uh cancel us now. What a train move. But it's interesting the influence that that that um that the Irish have had on pop culture. Um and I think it's fantastic because a lot of those um as soon as I started to do the research, I I could see I was like, yeah, I remember that, and yeah, I remember them. And I you know, so um it it didn't even sort of, you know, that that that that cultural boundary just was was just so fluid it did I didn't even think about where they were from or um until I started researching and went, oh yeah, that's right, I remember that.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:16

So Guy Gardner's gotta have an Irish background, surely.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:19

With that haircut.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:20

Well his name's uh go Goy Gardner. Yeah?

SPEAKER_03 1:57:25

Yeah, green. Yeah, but it's with that hair. With that hair, yeah, yeah, it's kind of got the lucky charms in your face attitude. He's kind of got that lucky charms sort of you know, leprechaun look, doesn't he? Yeah. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we'll we'll find out. We'll we'll do some research, we'll get back to you on that one.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:41

We'll ask him.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:41

Yeah. We'll ask Nathan Fillion. He's probably got a backst backstory on that one. Yeah, no, he knows Guy Gartner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, okay, well that's it. That's it for that. We uh we hope you enjoyed that. If there's something else that you want us to feature on the show, please let us know on socials under Bulb CulturePod. Yeah. Otherwise, feel free to cancel us now.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:02

Um, but we'll be back next week anyway. Um let's get into the shout.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:13

All right.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:14

You got anything for the shout this week?

SPEAKER_06 1:58:16

Uh no, I haven't got anything for the shout this week.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:18

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:18

Um one thing I did want to mention was uh other other than to say that I hope that the Geelong Comic and Toy Fair went uh very well last week. Yep, yep. Uh it's for us in I I've done it again, I've got myself caught in the time loop. Yeah. Well, as as we're recording, it's still a few days away, but um That's correct. Uh yeah, I'm just hoping that it all went really well and everybody had a great time. Um and yeah, look forward to to hearing uh how things went.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:45

Yeah, so that was on the 22nd of March for our listeners, um, which will be a couple of days after um that event has taken place. Yeah. But um we look forward to um to to to seeing and and hearing what that uh how successful that actually was for them.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:02

Yeah. So um look forward to uh hearing from Evan, who we talked about earlier in the um the the pod, because Evan is um the organ organiser, I believe. Right of the Geelong uh comic and toy fair sort of thing. Right. So there's uh uh hopefully we get more feedback from him. Yeah. Hopefully he's uh not stopped listening because of all of the um the Irish kerfuffle.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:24

Yeah. Kafuffle?

SPEAKER_06 1:59:26

What are you talking about? That sounds like an Irish word, doesn't it? Yeah, that sounds like an Irish word. Oh just making it worse.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:31

Yeah, it's 100%.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:34

100%.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:35

Anyway, but um, yeah, no, I hope that all went really went really well. How about you? Do you have anything for the shout?

SPEAKER_03 1:59:39

Yeah, absolutely I do. Um so coming up, um uh we'll be in in coming weeks we'll we'll definitely be doing a uh an interview with Angie Spicer. Um and Spice. And um so Angie is um is the creator of the uh very successful series called Kourier. Um and um Angie's um bringing together um that whole uh series now as a definitive collection. Nice. Um it's gonna be launched on Kickstarter um in coming weeks. Um and uh essentially it's a it's an epic 1940s uh Tasmanian Noir adventure.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:22

Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:23

Um about uh and uh uh yeah, a courier's search for the Tasmanian tiger. Yeah, for the for the Thyla scene, uh which is uh the Tasmanian tiger. Yep. Um and uh collides with locals, um uh spies and um and a run-in from her from her past. Um Angie's work is is really beautiful. It's really it's it's really um her artwork is a story in itself. Yeah um and uh and and I've read the courier books and I really thoroughly enjoyed them. And um I love where where that she's now gonna put this in the collective.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:04

Um so uh really looking forward to this because I haven't read any of them, but um it really looks like my jam.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:11

Yeah, there might be some still on the on the shelf at at All Star. So have a look there. Yeah, definitely. See if there's any there. Um but you can check her uh check out her um on um on Instagram under Angie SpicerArt. Uh Angie Spicerart, sorry. Uh and um uh or you can jump onto Kickstarter and get notified now. If you just look under Kourier, the definitive collection, you'll find Angie on there and you can get notified as to when it will um be uh be launching.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:44

Yeah, can't wait. I'm really looking forward to that and really looking forward to to chatting in to Angie in um coming weeks. That'd be great.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:50

Yeah, yeah, and um yeah, we'll definitely be um bringing you more interviews. We we did have some feedback that um uh that they really enjoyed uh when we chatted to uh the guys from the Vermillion Yep Vermillion Edge. Vermillion Edge. Yep. Uh and um so um so yeah, we'll definitely be uh moving forward with more interviews in the future. Yep. Um bigger and better. Yeah, absolutely. Uh so uh that's pretty much it for the show. Another bumper episode. Happy St. Patrick's Day um post. Um we didn't butcher that at all. I I I think we did pretty well.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:29

I think there must be a gas leak in this room.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:35

Well, you tell us what what you what you think. We we'd love to hear your thoughts on uh on not only this episode but how the show's going.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:42

Yeah, no, for but for uh what it's worth, I apologize.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:47

I knew what I was getting into.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:49

It was a disaster to be sure.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:50

Yeah. But uh thanks for your company. We look forward to uh chatting with you next week. Uh we look forward to uh your company once again. Uh and uh stay tuned for when you'll hear MJ say.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:08

Run you fools.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:10

Hey, thanks very much. Have a great week. See you all. Stay fresh.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:14

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