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SPEAKER_00 2:01

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SPEAKER_04 2:24

Yes, how are you doing? Yes, how you doing? Yo, what's going on with you, brother? Not much, man. I see you in character now, huh? You like the CEO.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

He told me that you gotta clean up, but he told me to stuff. I feel you. I ain't got a chance to um get my laptop. It's over my homeboy KB uh spot. You know, we got a couple new songs out, uh Hip Hop Ain't Dead, another one called Trap A Live, me and my boy KB.

unknown 3:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

So I'm in the studio right now, ND Records right here. So I didn't get a chance to put my backgrounds up and everything. Oh, that's cool, man. And my laptop is over there, so you know.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

I know you're in the layout working, so it ain't no big deal with me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:32

So I'm about I'm gonna introduce you real quick and then we're gonna get into this. Hey y'all, what's up?

SPEAKER_02 3:47

This is your boy AD, and you already know what time it is. You know, we bring the dope host. Uh well, I'm the dope host, and we bring the dope music, we bring dope interviews. Today we're not just talking to an artist, we're talking to a man who represents transformation, discipline, and strategic elevation from the streets to structure, to the structure in a in a in a in entrepreneurship, from the music to film, from survival to all to self-mastery. This is someone you don't, you didn't just change his life, you rebuilt it. So I want to give it up for my man Deuce Doubles in the Building, artist, actor, author, and founder of DU Records.

SPEAKER_04 4:31

So let's tap into your boy. Man, that was a hell of an intro.

SPEAKER_03 4:34

Thank you, thank you for it. I don't think I've ever got an intro like that. I feel like I'm gonna drink champs at breakfast. Oh I was trying to make you cry, man. Y'all may not realize. I know uh my man AD from high school, though. Yeah. So he knows he definitely know what he's talking about. He's not just just sticking paper.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

I appreciate it, man.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

My nephew in here too.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

All right. You know, D Records is family, so you already know you know my cousin and everybody. All right. So uh so we just gonna just let you let you talk about you know what you got going on. You know what makes you you. We just gonna just gonna kick it like that.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Um, I'm gonna start off of off piggybacking up what you said. Um, I didn't necessarily found DU Records. A lot of people may have probably think that available on the internet now, but my father, I just wrapped it up. He's the CEO of D Records, him, Ivan Maurice, a lot of other cats that were you know intricate starting that up. But I've been holding the torch on my back ever since, you know, E1 and we all have talk on solo. We started out with DU Records in 1999, 2000. And our most prevalent thing is we have a city called Margan Cation Hip Hop. Still on the back of the wall right there. It was the National Public Radio. Okay. Washington Post several times, Black Enterprise magazine, BT Newtons, et cetera. And I was the principal voice behind it saying one times one equals one. I did a lot of production on the thing that day.

SPEAKER_04 5:46

I'm on demo stuff. That's why I came in here so he could be quiet.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

But that's good. He's playing the drums, though. My friend plays the drums too. Hey Chap didn't do bad. Oh, y'all got y'all got good. He said you didn't do bad neither. What's up, Dave? What's going on, bro?

SPEAKER_04 6:06

All right.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Hey, somebody actually got the feed, because you're you're you're you're you're doubling up, you're tripling up. I'm actually hearing a little bit of turbulence because somebody got they stuff open. So you got a lot of mic modulated going on right now, so somebody got to mute up.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

Oh, is it still going like that? Still doing it? Yes, sir. Let me see like what happens if I get these headphones going. No, I don't hear now. It's you.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Right. You gonna you need to turn that speaker down, turn it away from you from your mic. Because it's it's it's hearing everything you're doing and it's doubling up.

SPEAKER_04 9:11

If you guys wanna get me dumb I can still talk like this, I'm hearing myself.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

I'm ready to go though. Alright. So, yeah, so we're gonna talk about, you know, what makes you you, you know. I mean, let's take it take you back to, you know, where you first started, you know, doing your thing. So we just gonna let you uh have the floor, then you know, we just gonna vibe with you.

SPEAKER_03 9:35

Oh yeah, but like I was saying, um I'll take it back a little further before the a lot of people say music is in my butt. You may not even know this about me, AD. On my mother's side, you know if we put this on my aunt Robin and uh my cousin Edge. Right. And my you know, lived up to it. But uh on my mother's side, my grandma was actually in the gospel all the time. Uh shortly able, shortly able to do something. So I started out in the music, you know, in the choirs, playing pig with church, playing dream church. That's how I knew I'm a hard homegirl random, but you know, I grew up with her stuff like that. She was one of the teachers, my grandma's music ministry. Um after that, you know, down the line, like 1999, 2000 was when we first came out with the music, Hip Off C D. Around the time, you know, we were getting out of school to stuff around that time. And that's when I started, we started formulating these records in our group of fam, which consisted of me and my cousin, uh, Ev, the eight the AD nose, E1, my cousin MLG. My cousin Zoe, he's also one of the main producers from um, yeah, he's he's a popular uh keyboardist for epitome bands, certified funk, etc. DJ Zoe, you probably probably see me post them up on uh stuff. Matter of fact, I seen him, I went to see him the other Sunday and I seen your homegirl Takora in the club at B and G Tavern.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Yeah, she had told me.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Hey, shout out to Cora, shout out to Cora. All right, shout out, shout out now. I was proud of how my homeboys I had with me because I was like, man, if y'all came to the table, y'all might have embarrassed me because y'all would have gone smack or something. Yeah, these beautiful women with us. I appreciate her coming out though. Yeah. But but uh like from that point in high school, I was when we was doing the fam. I'm sure you remember that. We had our group thing, and we had made on the radio somewhat. We uh we started with educational CDs, and over time, as CDs started to dwindle, we would got always selling real well. We sold over 500,000 units like early looking at over 500 papers around the country, around the globe. We've been in um Business Weekly, looking at stuff on the wall right now, uh, Washington Coast Street Times, Washington Informer. It's just several things. So my point is as that CD starts to transition out, basically I started to get into the movies and such like stuff that he's that uh AD was speaking of. I linked up with my guy, Ujile, who's um, we've been with him for a while. We know him through uh friendly as well, Torrance Hall. And he he was close friends with Trey Cheney since like uh seventh eighth grade, like I was with my man K B I mentioned earlier. So after like you know, when CD started to dwindle, we would kind of try to find something to do other than we also we have a lot of costume cartoon characters off the Modern Kitchen Hip Hop CDs that we still go out to this day, do HD festivals, uh national zoos, things of that nature together. A whole stage play we do for like a hip-hop stage play education. But uh, my point is when the transition of City Sales Dwindling, Uji had a bright idea that escalated with Trey Cheney. And down the line, you know, it's just what you see is what you have now. You know, we have several movies, me, him, and Trey Cheney have together. Some movies we Uj Leo just in ourselves. The newest one's called Ice on Peacock to be Pluto. Check that out, Ice. But several movies, Dead Money. I mean that with Kristen Powell, Trey Cheney, Ujileo. But Ice is my most um, I mean, like a couple different movies. But Ice, I make sure y'all check that out because it's on Peacock, to be Pluto, and also I'm proud of that one the most because one of my songs with me and Ujileo, who I'm talking about, the guy who linked me up to Trey Cheney, who's part of D-Record. He um we both have songs on the uh on the soundtrack. They play actually doing the credit to that movie. So it was it was good to have that was my first time getting a song placement as well as an acting role.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

So, question then. How how do you feel when you you have those these major accomplishments in your life and you still elevating in the game?

SPEAKER_03 13:17

I mean, this is it's just a it's it's definitely asking to even me myself sometimes. Because I mean, you know, you know me for a while, bro. You know, back in the day, like I talked so little. Like my man KB, I know him from elementary school. He said he used to think I was gonna be a serial killer because I was so quiet. I just never said anything. He knew I was smart. He was like, well, damn, why is he not talking more? I mean, he's that smart. It's something there with that. So now, as I'm talking more, like, like you said with the combo code book, I'm coming out with a conversation code book called Trap Nancy the Art of Pipment Life. And it's not about teaching people how to talk, it's about saying less and making sure it lands correctly. Because you can say everything in the world, you can have everything in the world, but if you don't, if you don't say something and doesn't land right, it's not even worth saying. Even if it's something that's life-changing for someone, it won't get you know digested correctly. So I just got a lot of stuff I'm working on and out and even with that, it baffles me like the how this stuff comes together, is my point. Like I didn't expect to be in the movies, even though Trey Cheney's a real guy. He said, I'm gonna get y'all movies. He kept his word, you know, because it's all about keeping your word when business can't, and I'm gonna always work out that way, but it's kept in movies. I got a song with Trey Cheney, matter of fact, for my podcast called Go Go Therapy. My podcast is called Go Therapy. Check that out, yo. And I have a theme song for it called Go Go Therapy, featuring Trey Cheney and Fat Joe. Again, that was not of my planning. Fat Joe just happened to look onto my Instagram one day, and he for the sexy lady song that I have. And uh, you know, it's like a solo song I have called Sexy Lady off the UCB. You know, I kind of remixed it a little bit. And he just ever since then he took a liking to my music. We were inboxing on the uh Instagram for a while. And he was like, I want you to have something. You have a full ownership to it. You can get here's the price, d-da-do. And we're in agreement on that, and there you go. So I mean, it always baffles me. Even right now, I know you try to stream in online. I got these uh these infused Mary Jane drinks that I'm selling now, THC water. Yeah, I want to talk about it. I'm not selling I take that back. I take that back. I'm not selling them just that because I have to make sure everything is professional and you know, uh legal. But I do have them for taste tests so people can try them out and see what they're what they're like. Right now I'm in, I'm in talks with the owner, uh, the CEO of the uh Mary Jane THC infused water. And basically, I mean, long story short, like uh my man shout out coachy still, he put me in touch with the uh, the owner of the CEO of that. It's it's it's a it's a it's it's an acquired taste, but if you try to drink the whole bottle, you'll see why they charge $25 apiece over at that company for each bottle. They they they definitely it's it's definitely something different. You know, it's because it's water and it's and it's weed if you use though it kind of stops you from smoking as much. It's kind of like not necessarily healthy. If you smoke, you need kind of smoking and um, and it gets you to drink water a little bit more, you know, still find people drinking alcohol, turning up, and you know, if you get to drink water, so it has its benefits, you know. And that again, that that can't that baffled me. I didn't expect to be the face of that. I just was trying to taste test some of myself, like you are. Next thing you know.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

So, how does it feel to be a part of uh of a product like that?

SPEAKER_03 16:05

I mean, uh it's a blessing because I mean, and just like anything, it's just a good and bad with it. Because I know some of my family meeting that are deep in the church, they're gonna look at the titling on the um Spotify and the print of advisory. He said, What are the we think it's Jesus trying to turn? What are the weed? But I mean, just some slick, you know, six months of wordplay. I mean, it's I didn't plan to do it. Even me and the guy, I'm real proud of it because it's kind of like my book, look at all. I've had my book since 2012, my book on Clapping Angels The Art of Pemple Life about Conversation Codes. And I waited until God told me it was the right time, I prayed on it. And the guy doing these uh these uh infused Mary Jane waters said he did the same thing. He kind of came up with with the Mary Jane water because you know, he had someone in his family, a close person to come in his family that passed. And like at 21 of cancer. So now since then, well, since he's been in the testing phases of the Mary Jane water, THC infused weed water, it's he's had people that like a whole group of people that had cancer and they were drinking it, and the ones who weren't drinking it have passed away since then. But like I said, it's it's it's the really positive thing. Because even like just drinking and chilling, like, you know, I smoke weed, that's what I do. But once I was drinking it the other day, it made me smoke less my weed that I had rolled up. It's probably less smoke, less cigarettes. Yeah, true. It's good. So it's definitely something that could that's beneficial to people. Like, it's not like I'm I'm not truly glorifying drugs, but it's more so like um a weed patch. Right. So you know how people have squamous problems or whatever. You can have any hard drug and you, or even alcoholism, and you and it has like a it kind of has an alcoholic feel to it, even if it's water, it's an acquired taste. So, I mean, I'm I've definitely been talking with the owner about remixes to start making some spirits and stuff like that as well, where it's a little more flavorful. But I mean, it does the job though.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

So you're doing uh you've you've been doing a lot since you came out of high school to now. So uh when you talk about these compliments or just hear people talk about what you're doing, what is that feeling like toward you?

SPEAKER_03 18:03

I mean, it it's it's definitely um, it's definitely mind-blowing all the time, but I mean, it's just it's just I I definitely I I look for God and be thankful to God that I like a lot of something is how it is. But I mean, this, you know, everybody goes through trials and tribulations. I've had trials where it's a two-year period, I'm not making a beat, I'm not recording a verse, a hook, writing up like two bars down in a notepad. I'm not mixing nothing, mastering nothing, no videos. So it's like, I mean, like, and at one point, even like when my uh, you know, I'm people can tell I'm a little over 201. In my in my 30s, I told myself about, you know, my early 30s, I might as well stop rapping. And I focus on life and do what I need to do for me and my life. And stuff kids kind of keep coming together in the sense of like if like if I freestyle everything. And I freestyle some songs, not all of them, but it's just it's kind of like God has laid leave me. And fellows Pastor Don Jr., um, CEO, you know, you know, probably know him through Mr. Lee and Coach He's a couple of other socies. We had prayed a while ago that uh that would be a God's time. Because like, you know, sometimes I'm like a bull in the china shop. But I mean, I like now I'm feeling like I prayed and I noticed I'm in God's time. And it's a lot of stuff's happening real fast, and it's kind of scary. And it can kind of make people think that like he knows what he's doing. But I'm I'm really, I'm really, I'm really winging it, I told you. I mean, and you know what I mean by that. I'm very talented, I'm very prepared, and opportunity is coming, and I'm ready to hit home run, so to speak. But I can't guarantee it's gonna be a home run every time you try to do something. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Right. It's what it is, it's like so by you saying that it also, like, how to like I know you got your supporters and and stuff, but like how do you feel about the ones that you might see online or just in in places that don't support you, like other people that might not even know you or kind of know you?

SPEAKER_03 19:49

Um, I mean, I I don't I don't I don't really think too deep about it. I used to think about that a lot. Like, but now I kind of really don't like because like I mean, if I don't know someone, I don't know someone, and you never know. You see, the thing about DNV is a funny area. Like, I've had people I've helped and either paid their bonds, got them out of jail, I've had people I've got them jobs, all kinds, all kinds of books, I've um turned them on and discovered the Christian world and ways that they can play piano in church, stuff like that. And sometimes you're still the bad guy. So my point is if there are guys that I don't know personally, I don't really necessarily feel too much if they don't reach out or support. I mean, I I would be nice if they if they did, I'd appreciate it. And it'll probably make DMV come together quicker than they will actually realize, because I know a lot of people like that are between a lot of different people. So I mean, I'm gonna say it like that. Like, I mean, it's like it's probably somebody I know for every big artist that's out from the DMV, as somebody I know that that's right next to them all the time.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

All right. Yeah, I I got you on that, because uh I just like to ask artists because like I see that y'all out there and y'all pushing music and you push a lot. So it's like, you know, I just like to be curious to see like, like, is there like any discouragement sometimes, like frustration, but seems like you're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

It it is, it can be discouraging sometimes, because like, for example, you know, I got cute family. So and but I've realized over time within that, it's like family doesn't always you as much as people that you like might link up with, you know what I mean? Like I've met a lot of people in the A B world, and I've got quicker response with beats from them or verses or stuff like that, or mixing mastering, or whatever the case may be, uh videography. Like rest in peace to my man uh Maurice, he did a lot of my videos and um I met him doing doing A B doing A B work, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 21:34

Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

And if people don't know what A B work is, I audio they know like setting up uh TED Talks, doing the microphones, lighting, videos, stuff like that, like places like Galois, preventive spinning and things of that nature.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Uh yeah, because I seen you you you did a uh is that is the church you do work at, is that the church you you a part of, or they just or you just work with the

SPEAKER_03 22:01

No, I'm I'm I'm a member of that church. I mean technically I might be a member of World of Batteries Church. And um that's not a not a consistent anymore. So that's uh that that's that's my my grandmother, she always goes to that character, mother goes to that character, it's like a family church. Okay, cousin is always singing there's sweet. Now people know that she's out with Melody all the time at the rest of the game parties.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

So what for from what makes your approach different from from the other lyrical street music, either in this area or abroad or like statewide?

SPEAKER_03 22:36

I would say in this area, the thing that makes me different, just elevated a picture. A lot of people say they got freaky card music. Uh I I feel like I have GoGo therapy music. And I feel like everyone here has Go Go therapy music, but I mean that's that's to be said and proven over time. And I mean, I can get more in depth with that, but I mean, but as far as internationally or internationally, what's that's me part is I really uh I really have my own story, I've really done it from the ground up, I really do everything. I've really done everything as far as like creating art. I've tried to do it every single possible way. Like writing the hook, pre-sapping the song, preset the song, writing the hook. Having an album cover, doing a whole album after having the album cover. I've tried every competition. And I've I've I've basically I've done um I mean music is in my blood. Like I was saying, my grandma all the things. Like on my father's side, my father, he tried to make up everybody plays the bass. My uncle, Uncle Butch on that father's side, he was came up with Roberta Flack. All the time, he was dealing with the Blackbird. Me and him have to make songs now. We have to work in them. And so that music is really in my blood. Like I say, when I was in the theme, I had to talk about earlier. If we were putting pushing the multiplication hip hop CDs, it's elementary, science and geography. And we had schools buying those, like I remember one at one time, Baltimore County schools have bought a thousand CDs. I don't remember what year that was ever going back to teams. I really have back stuff on a lot of different topics. I come from doing real-to-real recordings, rapping on them or mixing them down, according to them, to the point where we are digital with pro-the-suming.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

So the question, so my question is, which one do you like better? Being an actor, entrepreneur, or a musician?

SPEAKER_04 24:23

I think I I love music, I got music at heart.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

I always love music, but acting is kind of new to me, so it's kind of therapy. And just the way kind of how the culture is going now, I I like doing acting because people don't sit and hold you and like put you in a box and say, Well, you're this old, you shouldn't be rapping or shouldn't be doing that. You know, people don't know the rap like they do rock and roll. Or like if you rap, they look at you different as you're a rapper or if you're a producer. But I definitely haven't enjoyed the music we think. It's real therapeutic, especially because like I found out wasn't really doing as well as I thought I was doing. And every time I've been doing films, people have been like, yo, naturally. I'm like, okay. Because I I was enjoying it whether they thought it was good or not. But that felt good for people to say that.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

So what doing all that, what what would you say like your biggest breakthrough or like a biggest accomplishment since you got into the music, eh?

SPEAKER_03 25:16

My biggest accomplishment, but definitely more because of hip-hop. I mean, as soon as I was talking about me and my pops and he records we did it, I'm saying the vocals on them one time as the vocals, but and the more because of hip-hop, that time is in the urban dictionary now. That's my all-time greatest. It's producing, voiceover, whatever. But as of late, I I've gotten paid to perform as an artist solo. So I mean, and you know, you from here, so that's that's rare if you're not in Basket, you got a go-go band or something like that. So I've been paid recently with no pay backing me, nothing other than that, just getting paid. So that's that you wanted it wasn't, I mean it was a huge amount. It wasn't what I I put on a writer. Shout out Don Jr. for letting me know how to do a writer, but but I got paid. So that means you know, we're DC, the go-go bands from that's five from the local artists. So it's ready to get paid.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

So uh by you saying that as well, what advice would you give like indie artist that's trying to get on that level, like how these how these go-go bands out here are doing, like they're selling out shows and all that stuff? Because I know I hear a lot of MCs and stuff that that uh they kind of frustrated because they're like, well, the go-go arena is selling out, but I can't sell out shows.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

Right, right, right. I mean, it's like other cities, they look at the script, and then a lot of these young younger guys be like, don't want to look at sexual uh or this thing or that thing on the show, look for the older stuff. But if we go on YouTube and this research, Fat Rodney. People used to go see Flat Rodney, he was coming out of the crowd before we grass him. So my point is, while A, you know, he built UCB, whatever whatever UCB or whatever, I don't know, nothing about that person. My point is, I my cousin, he's an epitome band. I do I get I get him to produce for me sometimes. Me and uh Everett, I was talking about we were on C and we had the epitome band redoing uh some of our songs, Go Gol style. So I mean, if you if you're gonna leave the go-go bands out, it's gonna be more difficult. But you gotta be able to bring a show, maybe bring something different, something that's entertaining where people want to come see something different. Like, you know, we had the educational kids, we had live characters, so that we already were playing something that brought Drew's attention. Right. So you're gonna have to have something that draws attention authentically. And I mean, if you it would put on a good show, I mean, like I remember when our Mumbo Sauce, for example, a lot of people may not know, but you know, Mumbo Talk, they do original go-go music for a while. I think they kind of come back out here. They had an open mic, they would do their open mic, they would piss rappers off. Because they'd be like, you're not letting you go really rap like that, and you can rap, but you're gonna have to, you know, CD. You gotta pick a song, we'll play the song, you know, freestyle or whatever you want to do, and you could have something you've written. So it's like my point is you have to have a and that always went, that was one of the most popular open mics I've ever seen. It was because the go-go band was there. They made we're gonna have comedy, then we're gonna word, then we're gonna have da-da-da, you know, because it's going to be organized, and everyone enjoyed the night. So, like, my point is like when you come in and see a new artist, you don't know them songs. So it's gotta be an enjoyable night for people. You're not gonna have to put the um the you might have some pre-food for them, something, some giveaways, something, something to draw them in to make it and make it a fun company night.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Yeah, I agree with that. So, with with your saying all that, are you do you feel like you're do you mentor younger or unexperienced MCs and and artists? And if you do, what guidance do you give?

SPEAKER_03 28:43

Uh, I don't I wouldn't say I mentor people. I mean, a couple people that I know would say that I do, but I won't even put that out there because I I still aggressive on a break. It's gonna start fights if you want to come and either mentor, it's not really the best thing. Right. But I mean, I'm not I I mean, I'm I'm I'm just gonna let it out of it. I mean, me and my cousin, uh, E1 gotta hit the camp. Quick to call me good, quick to call me an ad, because I do what I want to do, all about the cash. So, I mean, I'm gonna kind of like I I I just a lot of stuff at the end of the day, life is like so. So that's why I was self-helping with like you gotta be, you can't be afraid to do the work. But like, you can't be afraid of AI either. And I say that in that order. Do the work, do the work, do the work. And then don't be afraid to use AI. You might against AI and help you with artwork or something like that. People are so much now afraid to do the work.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

Right.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

People want to just use AI to cheat or use this to cheat to try to find a quick way. Even before AI, you want to try to find a quick way. That's why I met from the go-go bands. That's what's in there. I mean, I'm not like I have a go-bo therapy. It's not necessarily about the go-go bands, but of course that's what happened on there because how far would that go?

SPEAKER_02 30:01

Right. So, since you got your own podcast and everything, so let's talk about go-go therapy. Like what got you started? And like how how are you moving with the with your with your podcast right now? With are you like, um like what is the mission for your for your for your podcast?

SPEAKER_03 30:24

I mean, honestly, just like I was talking about, we got the educational PCDs, my grandma's in the Gospel Hall of Fame. Why do people want to go viral so much and make a moment and have the educational PCD and my grandmother and then like drinking the weed water or something? Like, that's not for the kids, that's not for the gospel stuff. So my point is, when I started GoGo Therapy, I was thinking I have some content. I could talk with some real people about real things. Like we're talking now, you know what I'm saying? Because you know, it's a lot of people I know, like I know you, and they don't necessarily have a podcast. Like last night I was uh with my homeboy, and he has folks from the prophecy band. And it's like, you know, it's just a lot of people like you know, like like for example, who else? Uh for the Hue That Band, they're like a kind of go-go box type um mode. But it's just a lot of stuff that can be talked about, you know. It's it's that's the I came into that for for uh my own content. And I I always I want people with a big part. I mean, it may be going real well, everyone be looking at it like the wire or something. I may just quit. Don't don't get nothing. I'm in, I'm gonna, I I I love doing it, it's fun. But at the end of the day, it's supposed to be therapeutic, it's go go therapy, not go toxic. Right. So when people are not go go therapy, it's not mine. It's for everyone else. So if people aren't doing that part, you can't be mad at me. I said on the first episode, if you hate it, reach out, let me know. If you love it, reach out, let me know. It's not really for me, it's for everyone else.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

And I agree. Um, you know, I agree, that's how it should be. But, you know, things out here in the area, you know, you know, you got, you know, people mad if you say something about the whatever they're doing, mad because of whatever you're doing, mad how you moving. You might be meeting people that people not move meeting, so it's like, you know, people mad at you for what you're doing. So I know you don't care about it. You know, I don't care about it either, but like, what would you tell a person who might be a people pleaser and they hear they see some of these comments and they're just like they don't know if they can do it in.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

But I mean, sometimes people gotta realize that I must say it's always that, but it's jealousy. So when people get jealous of you, or you may get jealous of someone else or something. Like you may think you're not as good as me, why are they this part of that? Use that motivation and just to understand that feeling and move it to the side. Because the way you feel, it doesn't really help too much in business. Maybe I may be a real reason to feel like you don't think like that.

unknown 32:50

Right.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

But it's actually like wasted in me. It's just like if it's like, say if I'm looking at something, I see like when I saw your podcast coming up, like, oh, you got a podcast why only have me on. Now I'm thinking negatively. Instead, I hit jab me on it. And now I'm on it. You know what I mean? So it's like specifically still by you gonna be not doing what you need to do by focusing on other. And that's my whole point of it. I mean, I heard Rick Ross say that. And Rick Ross is like, that's what some people do. They talk trash, they hate on stuff. That's their job. They enjoy that.

SPEAKER_04 33:19

Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

And and I heard Raleigh say one time, too, but you are really worried when no one's saying nothing. When no one's saying anything, that's when you're not doing it. They're always gonna think something negative.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

You're right about that. But good, good that you like, you know, even you and other people have thick skin just to just to know that they're they're doing something not for people, but just because it's something that they love to do. Like I see you, you you posting music, you in the chats posting your music. That's what, you know, even artists should be doing as well as wanting the support, but they need to push their stuff as well, because we if we don't hear, you know, and even being where I'm at now, after hearing a lot of music, I'm like, I didn't know this music was out here like this. So it's like, you know, how would you like what would be the advice for the for artists that's that's doing that as well, that has music but not pushing it their self?

SPEAKER_03 34:13

My advice would be to link up with guys like yourself. I just say on here. I mean, seriously, like he's struggling with a lot of good people. I've known him for years, but he he he was came with the same sources. I was like that from our point is like give it some other people that have other things to try to shoot you out because everybody is not a network, everybody's not a communicator. Right. You know what I mean? I've learned to communicate better from making a trip. I'm writing a conversation book because all the time I'm talking to me. All the time I was trying to sell CDs and I wouldn't sell it with them. Right. You know what I mean? So I was kind of boot camp of talking to people I didn't necessarily want to talk to. I had no choice. I mean, we out in the lane, we got these homes, and we gotta pay the rent. Right. I mean, that's what it is.

unknown 34:54

True.

SPEAKER_03 34:55

So I mean, my point is like you gotta network with people because sometimes it ain't just gonna be on the internet. Someone might get with you guys and then meet another connect that's like a manager that gets puts them in a position where they're getting paid shows, even in DC or whatever case. It's just you know, it's it takes a team. So everybody's I get some people don't want to um want don't want to post. I got a homegirl like that with Bible sick. I I know someone like that that doesn't really want to post as much stuff. But at the end of the day, if the more the network, the bigger the network they have, other people can be posting it for.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

Because some people, I mean, you aren't good at posting, and then you get the posting, now you're going back and forth with someone on Twitter, and then they're looking at you like this guy's crazy or something.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:30

I I I can go back and forth with people and just burn them up, so everybody's different.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Yeah, because I mean, like you said, it's a lot, there's a lot of work that can be done, but you know if you don't support yourself, then then ain't nobody else gonna support you. So like that's why we out here, we working, you know, to to get content and be consistent, because stuff out here. Especially for an independent person.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

No, but that's the hardest part about being independent, just being consistent. That's why I say even, you know, some people everybody says independent, independent. Some people may need to get a major label deal. People don't realize that, even though they say it's not a good thing. And it is a bad deal, it's how it's set up paperwork wise, but sometimes you might need to take that, take that L at the beginning. Because like what we were just talking, we were just talking about, you're not really adapt to do that, but you are a musician's musician, and you got quality stuff. The world needs to hear it. It's like some Tim's type of stuff mixed with Stevie Wonder. Get that shit out there. You might need to give it a lady. And then sometimes you can learn how to do it independently after that point. And just hopefully you'll sign your life away because you'll learn from the other people's mistakes. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

So uh, like I feel like, because I know they do a lot of indie summits, I feel like some of these artists need to come out here and hear people like you and other artists who went through like situations and now tr now at a point that they can say, hey, even through all the all the foolishness, I made it through. So that'd be something that you you can do, my brother. Speaking of that, being a musician and all that you said, is loyalty something that keeps keeps people stuck?

SPEAKER_03 37:04

That's a great question. Because I was I literally was just saying to someone the other day, you can't be so loyal that that makes you stupid. You know what I mean? Because they were talking about a situation where it's like, I've known that guy for years, but it's like it's something something stupid, and they just wasn't trying to they weren't trying to break their code and their boundaries of what their principles were. So I mean, you gotta be careful with that loyalty thing, you know what I mean? You gotta be careful. Because like so, I mean, you can be loyal to a folk, like they say. I don't like sayings, well, that's a true saying. You can be loyal to a folk, because you you gotta be more loyal to yourself than others. Because I mean, just like prime example, I'm here with my uh my nephew, I'm just gonna see him, I haven't seen him in a while. My niece, first time I've ever seen her when she wakes up, I want to wake her up. Brother-in-law, my sister. I love him, I want to see him, but it's a life is a self-sport. I want to see him. You know what I mean? So but you can't be negatively selfish, is what I'm trying to say, though. You don't want to be leave with your ulterior motives, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, people gotta know to do for self. And that goes back to what you were saying, like with the internet thing. Like, I I if I see a lot of people commenting on it, even if it's negative, guess what? That might be something like like speak like just a prime example. I was talking to um my guy Ali from the Hugh That band. He was like, DMB Hoods of News is a great platform to put stuff on there. And I was like, well, don't they be kind of joling a bit? He was like, Yes, but that it actually works. Yeah, you know what I mean? So I mean, in any case, yeah, like you said, he has tough skin. So, you know, he But like he did say though, they didn't say nothing bad about them because they kind of crank, you know, it's go-go.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

But yeah, so we're gonna talk about, you know, because you got a lot of businesses and everything, but we're gonna talk about a couple things. So my actually, framework versus ownership. Which one matters more to you and why?

SPEAKER_04 38:46

Framework versus ownership?

SPEAKER_03 38:48

Well, I think they both matter. I don't think it's I think they matter equally. They matter equally, but ownership is always important. It just depends on being aware with trying to get done. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 38:57

So have you been in the business? And if you did, what what guidance would you get?

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Say again?

SPEAKER_02 39:06

Sorry. Oh, so if you have you made any mistakes in in your businesses and what have you learned that can help other people that are trying to run businesses, either especially musical arenas.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

Now that's that's a good good thing you just said that because it goes back to that question you just asked. The framework and ownership. I learned a lesson because I didn't have the framework right on my ownership. So, like when the sexy ladies song I was talking about, that Fat Joe like Prime Design Approval, when it first came out, everybody liked it. It was, I think it has close to 100,000 views on YouTube. But at that time, I didn't have it on iTunes. Like, you know how many sales I probably missed? Because I mean it's on iTunes now. You can go here, Sexy Lady right now, you can go see the YouTube, sexy ladies, great song, do stuff like that. I talked to Rock Mikey from UCB band, he said he approves. They know about it, they think they find when he likes how to transition there. A lot of people that that's out of state. Rock Mikey is the rapper from UC B when uh while they're uh tour band he's usually wall. But um, nah, it's it's a fun. I learned a lesson in that, and ever since then I've made sure I got Mr. 40 Watt publishing. And I kind of learned that lesson early on, too, because like I was talking about the kids' CDs, I made uh my father, we had the modular, it's elementary. Uh, we had a science and geography CD. I produced the Beat the Planet, and I remember he got a check in the mail, he's like, We got it, we got a check in the mail. He had Dr. Records publishing. So he got that check. I mean, you know, I was a kid, so of course he broke something down. I got to eat for free that motherfucking night, right? But I mean, I realized back then, but that's what publishing means. You know what I'm saying? You gotta have that framework right. And I learned the lesson again. You know, I came up with sexy lady. But at that time, again, that was during the transitional time with Trey Trade. We were doing movies, and one of the shout out David Manigo was doing uh working on some films with him. He's in uh Lorenzo and Monica, taking Dead Money as well. David Manigal, you know, actually directed my sexy lady video. And like I said, at that time, I was I was I won't say I was in over my head. I was just like I said, like I just said earlier, I was freestyling learning, learning as I go, you know what I mean. My framework is definitely important because you you will easily give your ownership up when you don't have the framework right because you might have to pay the phone to find out how to get the framework collected.

SPEAKER_02 41:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:14

I don't think a lot of people realize that's what's happening right now. The cash money are getting back together. People will say, Cash money, they substruckers or this or that. No, you don't understand business. They have the framework right now, so now they can get back. It's just if you can't, you know, work it out. You know, business don't always work how you feel. True. And I don't love to see that. You know, we from that thing A few. I don't always see it.

SPEAKER_02 41:39

So we're gonna hit you with some.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

Speaking of that, I don't say too much. I don't say too much, but Shao Turk, I might do something in the works.

unknown 41:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

All right. Well, we're gonna we're gonna keep that under on the lock and key. So we're gonna I'm gonna throw some rapid fires at you.

SPEAKER_04 41:53

So we're gonna get with what impacts you more, respect or revenue. I guess I'm gonna have to say respect on that, though.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

I'm gonna have to say respect. Because just like I said, my podcast is the deuce pod. It'll be just like Dave Chappelle's show, it'll be like Soundfield. I'll be going good. And if it's stressing me out, I'm losing respect. I'm quitting. That's anything about the money. I don't I don't believe it's selling out. Like, if you're not just about Illuminati selling out, I'm not going to do nothing like, like, prime example. You played one of my songs earlier, and I like you. They cracked that song, that dope song. Yeah. And like people probably do a video for that. But I went out Baltimore with that on my birthday. Oh, play it again, play it again. They loved it, thousand times they played when you played it. I wouldn't, my point is I wouldn't promote that necessarily in the forefront of my stuff because I it just tells how I want my brand to be represented. Right. It's something that's in my catalog, though. And I like to say, it was what it was. I freestyled the whole song, did it in my mind, I JBT said he got stuff. I had it in my mind, and I went and recorded it later. Never wrote nothing down at all. Oh, so that was like a test card. I mean, I passed the test.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

So y'all heard like Lil Wayne is it's come just come to you.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

Yeah, the newest song I just did. I was talking about the water drinks. I got a new song out now called uh How Water Water the Wii Freestyle. That song is 100% freestyle. Me and my pops was back here testing this equipment out, and I was like, it just looked the core. We got that three times. I had to pass something. The first time, that's that whole song right here. And I started as I started mixing in the bam, all the song.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Yeah, you got a hit right there. So with with even with the music that you've been you've been putting out, do you find that one that you could say, okay, that's gonna be that one that's gonna put me over the top?

SPEAKER_03 43:38

I don't think I could ever say that, because I mean, even after the sexy old lady song, I mean that's got a hundred thousand views on YouTube. I've been on the radio more than once with that, similar to that. And I didn't approach it, it's just done that on the team. I never expected that. When I first wrote that song, I was doing an A B job at Family May, I'm going up to the hallway, pop the pleasures off as they're writing it down. I think I'm back and I was on paper, writing on paper and then. And as I'm writing it, I was like, man, I don't like this. It's corny. This is corny. And and like to this day, if I do the song in the club, I got that song where I have people that were looking at me funny and he goes, they'd be like, hey, what's your name? What's your Instagram? What's your uh iTunes? Can you put it in my papers so I can pick that song? That's that's that's the song next to the Grab Fat Joker Tank. And if you ask me, I thought it was corny when I thought that. So I mean, you I just I never really know like that.

SPEAKER_02 44:24

I got I got my favorites. All right.

SPEAKER_04 44:27

So we're gonna I like to have different stuff. That's on it.

SPEAKER_02 44:30

I like that. So we're gonna do silence or validation.

SPEAKER_04 44:37

Silence or validation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

What's more and more important to you?

SPEAKER_03 44:43

Damn, that's a tough question. Damn. You got me and literally or still, like I'm trying to find my base for that. I kind of dying some people.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

Like, oh yeah, but people want. Okay, so legacy or lifestyle? Which one's more, which one's a more of an impactful, and more impactful for you to know?

SPEAKER_04 45:11

I think legacy.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

If you put it, if you tell if you play with the words that way, legacy. I mean, lifestyle changes, it comes up and down, but like the legacy is developed over up your up your lifestyle. Whether you like it, don't like it, making changes and growing and stuff, that's where the legacy comes from. So I'm more on legacy building a lifestyle, because I mean, people can fake it to make it with a lifestyle. You know what I mean? I know you see people going on Instagram all the time. And they ain't working as far as you are a podcast, but it looks real sweet. You know, when you go with an Instagram story and shit.

SPEAKER_02 45:41

I appreciate it, man. So I know this is gonna be your favorite one. Silence or validation.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

Silence or validation. Yeah. I will go with silence because that's uh the three piece of my book, White's face. It's appropriate silence, not awkward silence. Um, I would go over that because you could be validated, but I mean, if you are going off a perception or off a belief or something that's a lie, you know, like you already know that back in the day, before the internet, people can validate it and everybody even really feel. Yeah. And people would just validate it because that's why I was following that trim.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

True.

SPEAKER_04 46:17

So we're gonna do one word to describe your journey. I was the biggest hip-hop fan ever.

SPEAKER_03 46:32

I never expected to be rapping, especially at this age.

SPEAKER_02 46:37

So what is what is your how does your faith play in what you do now?

SPEAKER_03 46:42

Well, I came into my spirituality. Like I said, I was saying earlier to my grandma's and the gospel fan. Like my mother and father met in that way. My father was in my my my grandmother's band. He played the bass, my mother played the piano. And my, you know, that's my mother's uh Shirley, just uh Shirley Abels, you know, that's my mother-in-law on that side. So I mean, I I came up playing it. My daughter's job is playing piano in the church, like mine was. I played jobs in the church, my little brother played jobs in the church, my little sister played piano and gym. So I came up in my spirituality through Christianity. But as I got older, I studied like a lot of stuff like the Medanetta, um, the Quran, a lot of spirituality is the 40 uh spiritual laws, the law of attraction, you know, the 42 laws of innocent. I'm saying that wrong, 42 declarations of innocence. I study a lot of spirituality stuff now. I consider myself more spiritual than religious, but that that definitely is what sparked sparking me. Because I you can't take it away from that. It makes Bible business come here to me now to this day. So I'm not don't I don't want people to get true, I'm not down to Christianity or no scruple of religion. Because like a lot of people don't realize how much the Bible is in a lot of these. It's not about necessarily it's the teaching, or so then going to a specific Christian or Catholic or Baptist or and I'm not saying you should know whoever helps you helps you. If you if you're a Baptist Muslim, yeah, help with your Jewish and help do that. I'm also on the books.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

So, because I know like even with us being music and the music that we play or sing. I guess we said we're talking about religion. So how do how does like people in the church that know what you what you're singing about now, when you go back in there, how do they look look at you when you come back in there with probably knowing what you what you either song, talk about, or or or whatever you do?

SPEAKER_03 48:39

I mean, it's it's nothing but love, really. I mean, a lot of people that know it is not it's just like everybody turned off you a day like that's the new. Yeah, I mean I mean, yeah, no. So it's not really nothing really, no one ever seen it's like blasphemy negative. You know, I'm not doing like 365 stuff, but like bloody fountains and coasts, coaxes counters and stuff like that. My legs don't have that kind of I mean it's still it's always gonna be that that you know people are gonna look at the funny looking. I mean, it's that's that's it's like I mean, at the end of the day, people don't realize the temple of God is your body. Like when you go to the church, because they'd be assembling, they have conversations like now. We talk about second of the podcast. We all talk about religion that well, that's really if you're judging people that bad, that's why I get away from religion, me personally. They really extra judge. They judge more than murderers murder any game. And the Bible says God doesn't have a difficult. Right. So that's my whole big kicker with that. Not that I don't want people to get that misconstrued. If you're a religious, please be religious, continue to be religious. There's nothing wrong with being religious. I personally consider myself more spiritual than religious.

SPEAKER_04 49:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:52

Don't have to go to church. Uh, or it'll have to be Sunday for me to play and read the Bible all day long.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

Right. And and I agree with that 100%. So I want to ask you, what message do you have for the youth? Inspiring art indie artists, MCs that's watching this interview.

SPEAKER_03 50:13

Well, I got I got some good advice for the youth. Sometimes I don't. But lately, like you know, I see I got all this stuff behind me, that's real girls, Piata Keep. Recently, my boy KB, we linked that back to the elementary school. He just linked it back again recently on uh song Hip Hop Ain Head, the song uh track I got the NB. My point is he put a fire around to me and let me realize how much stuff I was you last. Like my laptop, my phone, Mr. Man, Big Blizzard, Blizzard, you got some speed me about. My point is, for the other artists, you could do a lot with Bang Labs, you can do a lot with garage bands on your phone, on your laptop, for free. You can do a lot with Cap Cut, video editing on your phone, on your laptop, on your tablet, for free. Click yourself and do as much as you can at least study and do the work as much as you can. And then if you're not sure what to do, that's what AI is for. AI is for and not org. Like, okay, I did all this. AI, what am I doing? How can I make a million dollars? I gotta make the song sound more like a three, six mob be a song if you want to sound like a whatever. And I don't do these things. I'm just people, that's what the young people are into. They want they're they want social media is just like I can drink a beer, they wanna click, they want to click on Instagram and get a like, and it's gonna make them feel happy. Yeah, my point is like use it. I mean, don't be scared of it. You never know. It might not be Terminator or maybe where the eyes are gonna take over, it might be a bunch of dirty. But like AD, his podcast is growing like hell. He's got seven AI bots and shit doing chat telling the best way to promote it. But like you actually doing the work, so that would be that's what a younger don't just keep trying to sound like NBA younger. Don't keep trying to sound like uh everybody's trying to sound like Dick Flack, you know, Patriot or fucking shotgun. They crack, they blow crack. Right. They're all about individuals, though. They were building up a point, y'all. I don't know if I just catch your in the club before people know who can kill us. And I was like, damn, he liked that. I was like, why did you call himself past real? Because he wanted to keep that. And then he was homeless. It made sense after the fact, but I mean, he did this thing with my point. Like I back then, I I would always put it back where Riley is now. I'll be Wiley before I fucking run. He got it on time for him to do something.

SPEAKER_02 52:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:26

So I'm putting this for a younger fucking own time. Don't matter, just super lyrical, don't have a super hoodie, he gives a thing, he's off that and do the work.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

All right. So this is our this is our last last question. So, what is next for DU DU Records? And and for Deuce Double.

SPEAKER_03 52:47

Well, the next thing for Deuce Double is like I said, I got this book cutting out. Uh, it's called Fat Ninja, the art of anything like volume one, combo code. And you know, this is exclusive for man A D. There are several volumes of this book already. Okay. They're already copyrighted. But we start with one right now. It's gonna go for movies, film, and all that. So I need everybody to hit me up. The future is the Go Go Ferapeus book, podcast. Got my man too far right here, doing the evil, doing the comedy stuff on there as well. So it's it's gonna be all merging. So the future is like just stay tuned. Stay tuned, and just just keep just keep keep it, keep it, keep locked in with me. And I'm I'm I'm on social media everywhere, so feel free to let me know. If you like it, let me know. If you hate it, let me know. Because it's it's this go-go therapy, it's not go-go.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

So, how can your supporters find out?

SPEAKER_03 53:43

I thought I called it free. Right. Yeah, my car was told before. That shit wasn't free. That was all right. That's some bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

So what what is your where can your supporters and fans find you at? And where can they find your music and how can they like, subscribe, or share, follow you?

SPEAKER_03 54:00

I'm on all platforms. You got um, I think myself is pretty streamlined. If you go to d double.blogspot.com. That's D-E-E-C-E D-O-U-B-L E. Deuce double dot blogspot.com. I'm on every social media platform. Either that or Mr. 40 Watt. That's M R 40 W A T T. And if you go Deuce double X-A, Mr. 40 Watt on Google, AI like I was talking about. This is gonna it's no underscore, it's no numbers, and it's just exactly how I started.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

Do you have any uh shows, shows coming up or uh but right now, I mean, everybody keep their eyes killed to my birthday.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

My birthday is October 17th, and um I uh my my plan right now is to release a book from October 17th. My book I was you know, trap ninja, the other combo codes, volume one. So, I mean, and I'm in and my plan I should have like the major release for the book. You know what I mean? Where it's like book signing or party or whatever. You know, we all just gonna go get together, like book sign. We have a live podcast, not the set of stone, but these things are nothing to have. Hey, so coachy, we start out Trace Shiny. We're about we're about to we about it we about the system stuff in what I can't say too much. If you don't write it, you you need to be there. You say like that.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

All right. So do you got any uh anybody you wanna you want to shout out before we before we close out?

SPEAKER_03 55:46

Oh, shout out my man KB, K B and him. You already know where it is. We got a lot of music. Me and my man KB got like bliss up. We got like a whole album that's not even coming out yet. Shout out Fat Joe for you working with me. Shout out Chuck, we're working on some stuff right now. Shout out, shout out my man Ujolino, play tune, shout out Life Show. We got a song out right now called Double D. I don't think you get a shout out to I might be, I might be. A lot of people. But Kiss Star doing for funny uh high school. I don't know if you remember Kiss Star. We got some stuff coming out too as well. So it's it's it's it's too many people to name. I don't want to see something about I'm gonna lose my out. Shout out Fado. Now Fayo, we're working on that video. Shout out to producer, stab a school. I can do this all day right now. So I'll that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 56:44

That's cool. So, you know, it's been a been an honor to chop it up with you, to see what you're doing, start reading your book a little bit. We're gonna continue reading that, uh, but it's a good, good read. So people are gonna definitely be in for uh a good read if you're a you're a reader. So I salute Deuce Double for coming through and dropping some real knowledge, real experience, and and uh real elevation. Y'all already know how we do it here. We bring the dopest hosts. Well, I am the dopest host, we bring the dopest music, you know, we bring the dopest interviews. So I want y'all all to support Andy Hart, pushing DU records, Deuce Doubles, and uh most importantly, don't just support your support as well. So this is your boy A D. We out. We out.

SPEAKER_04 57:32

All right, appreciate it.

unknown 57:34

Thanks.