Ep 53. Parenting Through Grief, Loss, and a World in Crisis

In today's episode I'm sharing something a little different, a more personal and vulnerable episode than usual. Life has been hitting hard lately, both in my own world and in the world around us, and instead of showing up with tips and strategies like I normally do, I wanted to be honest about what it actually looks like to navigate hard seasons as a parent. I have a feeling a lot of you are carrying something heavy right now too.

Here's what we cover:

• Why letting our kids face hard, uncomfortable transitions, even when every instinct tells us to rescue them, is often exactly what they need
• Holding grief and big life transitions at the same time, and what that's taught me about staying present for my family while still being human
• Why it's okay, and even important, for our kids to see that we don't always have it all together

Plus, the tools that are helping me stay grounded through hard seasons, and might help you too:

1. Allow yourself to actually feel it
2. Use your regulation tools (breath work, movement, pausing before reacting)
3. Practice real self-compassion
4. Prioritize joy and gratitude, even in hard seasons
5. Lean into creativity as an antidote to anxiety
6. Find and stay in community
7. Commit to small, consistent micro actions
8. Tell your kids the truth, in an age-appropriate way

This episode is for any parent feeling the weight of things right now, personally or in the world around them, who needs a reminder that they're not alone in it.

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This is something that I was reminded by when I read the book Beyond Anxiety, which was written by one of my favorite coaches of all time, Martha Beck. What Martha talks about is that creativity is an antidote for anxiety. When we are in anxiety, we are in that lower part of our brain, our amygdala is highly active, we're in fight, flight phrase mode, and we have limited access to our prefrontal cortex, to our emotional regulation, and all of those things. But when I get creative, when I put my hands to work, when I start thinking creatively about colors and design or building something, it moves me into the prefrontal cortex part of my brain and out of that survival brain. So it's almost like when you're creative, it's very, very hard to also be anxious. Welcome to Parents and Teens Rising, the podcast that bridges the gap between parents and teens and helps families thrive. I'm Jasmine Chandler, Teen and Parent Coach, Wilderness Writes of Passage Guide, and founder of Guided Passages. After over 16 years of working with young people, I know how challenging and rewarding these years can be. Each week we'll explore real conversations, practical tools, and fresh perspectives to help you connect with your team, support their confidence, and navigate the ups and downs. Let's rise together. Hey everyone, and welcome back into the podcast. If you're new here, my name's Jasmine, and I am a coach for teens and parents, and a wilderness writes a passage guide for teens as well. So lots of different offerings and ways that I support teens and their families and young adults as well. So thank you for joining us here. Thanks for being here in this community. And I really hope that you'll find some gems or something that's relatable or helpful today. So I'm actually coming on here today with somewhat of a vulnerable share because I feel like I've been getting a little bit slammed by life in the last few days and, you know, even in the last year. And I want to talk about that because I think a lot of times I come on here and just share tips and ways that we can support our teens, ways that we can help our teens to thrive and all of that. And part of that, I believe, is really learning how to care for ourselves, even when we are going through things that are really hard or uncomfortable, or we're going through loss or grief, or just feeling the weight of the world and all of those things. It's like, how do we show up as parents, as humans, while things are not easy, while things challenge us and stretch us to our limits sometimes. And so I just want to humanize that a little bit that each of us are going through our own personal challenges each and every day. And we're doing that while trying to be really good parents and while trying to raise our kids up to be good humans. And it's not easy because we are every day navigating all of our own challenges and everything that we see going on in the world as well. So I just want to come on here today with a little bit more of a personal share and just give you a little window into what's been happening in my world. And I feel like a lot of you are probably going through similar things, whether it's with your kids or just what you're noticing in the world and how that's impacting you and all of that. So hopefully, this will be an episode today that just helps you to feel a little bit less alone within all of it. So this last weekend specifically was really challenging for me. I just dropped off my oldest child, my son, off to college four hours away. And this is something I've been talking about for a while on the podcast is this launch process with him and how that has been really exciting and also brings up a lot of fear and worry and concern and all of that. He's been home all summer and it just has not really hit me that he was going to be gone. And so my husband and I drove up with him, I guess it was just a few days ago, and even on the drive up, I was driving up his car. So I was in the car by myself on the way up just listening to podcasts and not really like feeling it that much. And it wasn't until I got there and saw him in his new place and helped him to get oriented with his bedroom and putting his desk up and going to Costco to get all the food for him and just all the different things that he would need after we left. And so we did that. And throughout that weekend while we were there, you could just feel his anxiety mounting about the whole situation because he was going to be living with two completely new people to him that he'd never met before. They happen to be kids that are going to be on his team that he's playing on at college. So we'll have lots of opportunities to grow in that connection, but that didn't erase the fact that it was hard to be in a completely new space, his first time living away from home, his first time moving. We have been living in the same house his entire life. And so it was a lot of really big changes for him. And I could feel that coming from him. And then I'm just starting to feel for myself like, oh my gosh, I'm leaving my kid here. And we finally, after getting him all prepared over a couple of days and taking him to breakfast one final time, we went to say our goodbyes. And oh my gosh, I saw him tear up, and then I'm, of course, crying, and my husband's crying, and just such a tearful goodbye. All of us just feeling it so much. Here we have been this little unit for all these years, and all of a sudden it's like, oh my gosh, we are actually saying goodbye. Like things aren't gonna be the same as they have been. It's gonna be different from here on out. And whether he stays at college or whether he comes home for holidays, or even whether college doesn't end up being the right path, no matter what happens, things are different from this point forward. And I really, really felt that. I really felt that. And it just hit me like a brick wall. And driving away, having those tears fall, and just feeling that. And both of us, my husband and I, just feeling that so deeply. Like, oh my God, we just left our baby. And it just reminded me of leaving him at preschool for the first time and having him cry and like, mom, don't leave me. And just that feeling of like, oh my God, am I doing the right thing? And all of that. And it's like these moments, they really, really test us as parents. And, you know, for me, this is really a a moment to celebrate. I'm like sending my kid off to a place that he's excited to be and he wants to be at this college. He wants to play for this team that he's going to go do, but it doesn't erase the fact that it's a big shift and a big challenge and a big, big stretch. And I immediately just wanted to turn around and like rescue him and fix in that moment, as we do as moms. We want to make it right. We want to make everything feel better. And I couldn't. And I know that's not what he needs. I know this is a very, very huge part of his development and so necessary for his growth and his sense of self and his confidence. And the last thing he needs is his mom coming in to save the day and rescue him from something that he really doesn't need to be rescued from. This is something that he has to face, that he has to go do himself. So yeah, just was going through all of those big feelings myself. And I just had so many different urges to call him again and check in again and tell him he should just come home and it would be okay. He doesn't have to do it, and just all those different things. And so often I've come onto this podcast and shared how our kids don't need to be rescued from hard moments, how that is actually the material that helps them to grow. And it's so absolutely necessary. And if we go in and rescue in those moments, we are depriving them of their growth and their full potential and the confidence that lies on the other side of persevering through those challenges. I've had to really sit with those things, those things that I know as a coach, right? I know as a rites of passage guide, but it's so different when it comes to your own kid in that moment. So I'm just having to lean into those messages and those lessons right now and hold tight to them. And what was so funny about this situation, or not funny, but just kind of, of course, timely and synchronistic, is that I'm going through all these things and having these huge inclinations to go rescue my kid and take away all discomfort and all of those things and hold up my Instagram account because I was posting something and I came across a post that I literally posted 10 days ago. And at the time, it made perfect sense for me to share with other parents about some wisdom that I've learned as a coach and all the different things. But oh my God, it was just like it hit me like a brick. This is something I teach parents all the time, and now I have to really apply this to myself. And so anyway, I ended up noticing this post, and I want to read to you what it says because it again was exactly what I needed to hear in that moment. And what it says is navigating hard moments isn't something our teens need to be saved from. Their confidence, their sense of self, their resilience, and their tenacity get built through facing challenges, problem solving, figuring it out, persevering, and coming out on the other side. Like, okay, all right. Preaching to myself right here, right? That it's it's hard in the moment when our kids are going through something to really take that step back and remember that they don't need to be saved from their life, that they have everything they need to navigate it. And we just have to let them. We have to let them do their thing and let them figure it out. And of course, I am gonna be here for him when he calls and needs support or whatever it might be, but I have to let him do his thing now, and it doesn't make it any easier. I'm really going through it, and yeah, so in the middle of all that, he brought my kid off to college, and then a dear friend of mine, her mom passed last month, and her mom is like the universal mom who feels like a mom to me, feels like a grandma to my kids, and hit our community really, really hard, and hit my friend very, very hard who was super close to her mom. And yesterday was the memorial, and so just wow, just this beautiful community event, and just so heartfelt, and just created something so beautiful to celebrate her and just uh have that next layer of healing for the family and the community and everything. But it's hard. So I got off the road from dropping off my kid and basically went right into that memorial, and so just feeling so many big emotions right now, and all of that's kind of paired with everything that's happening in the world right now, which you know, I am an empath. I feel everything so so deeply. And it's been very, very difficult to see everything that's happening right now in the world. Just watching the videos come out of Nepal, just watching what's happening in the black community, with people still being lynched every week in the South right now, watching what's happening in these detention centers across our country with children being put into these horrific detention centers, being deported to places they've never been, being uh violently taken from their homes and places of work and from their vehicles. Those things are so, so uh hard and terrifying to watch. Watching these horrific wars that are happening in the Middle East, to genocide that's happening in Palestine, and just all of these things that it's so hard to witness and know how to participate and engage and be a helper to these things that feel so, so big and so vast. And also just watching our national parks be decimated and sold off and drilling happening all over the place and just destroying our earth. It's like these things that we need for our kids are just being ravaged right now, and just these huge, catastrophic climate events across the world, whether that's fires or floods or glaciers dropping off mountainsides or hurricanes or whatever it might be, it's just like, oh my God, what is happening right now? And I feel the weight of it, and I'm guessing a lot of you feel the weight of it too, because it's impactful to our communities, it's impactful to the future that we want for our own kids and for kids across the world. And so, yeah, how do we do that? How do we navigate in the midst of all of these challenges, these big things that are happening in our personal lives with our own children, these big things that are happening with the children across the world, just all these things, the economic hardships that people are going through right now, just want to recognize that it's not easy to be a human on this planet right now. Whether you have privilege and a roof over your head and a vehicle and a job, or whether things are harder, it's like no matter where you are on the spectrum, life has its challenges that we're being asked to face right now. And so I feel like more than ever, if we want to be present and grounded as parents and for our community, we have to have our tools in place. And so, yeah, I just want to kind of share a little bit about what I'm doing for myself right now to help myself in the midst of all of this. And maybe there's something in here that you might be able to grab hold of for yourself as well, but just want to offer what I can here today. And a lot of times when I offer these things, it's me reminding myself what I need right now too. So if this is something that you find some help or hope from, that's wonderful. And if not, I'm gonna utilize this for myself as well because these are things that I need just to make it through every day right now, too. So let's go ahead and jump in here. So the first thing that's really helping me right now is to allow myself to feel it, right? There is nothing wrong with the feelings that I'm experiencing right now. It is normal to grief. It is normal to feel heartache, it is normal to have empathy for what's happening out across the world. Those are emotions that we actually want to have as humans, and it's okay for me to feel that way. Me feeling grief and me feeling sadness, me feeling worry, me feeling concern, me feeling fear about the future, those are valid experiences. And I am allowed to feel them, and so are you, right? And so I am letting the tears come when they come. I cried myself to sleep the other night after I dropped my kid off. The waves just kept coming throughout the next day at the memorial. It's just like these emotions are really, really at the surface right now. When I feel those emotions ready to spill out in the form of tears, it's like I welcome it because when it comes out, I get a release from that, right? I am processing it. I'm feeling it and it's spilling out and I'm letting it out, right? I'm letting it go in a sense. I'm healing. And if I try to tamp that down and just keep pushing, just keep grinding, just put a smile on, that doesn't allow me to experience it and move through it. And so I will cry, I will pray, I will journal about it, I will talk to all of my close people about it, my husband and my girlfriends and even my kids about it. And that is the way that I can process through this and not have it overwhelm me or overtake me, but give myself permission to feel it. And so this is what keeps all of that moving and processing without getting stuck in and then coming out at inopportune moments or things like that. And so just naming the emotions that I'm feeling, talking about the emotions that I'm feeling, that is me allowing it and feeling it and processing it. And so that is a really huge and important piece for me in navigating all of this. That I don't have to carry this alone. I don't have to pretend. I can just be with what is. So that is one thing that's really helping me right now. And even recording this podcast, this is another opportunity for me to process through these emotions and move through these things instead of letting it get stuck in there and holding on to it for dear life. It's just an emotion, like all emotions. All emotions are passing. These are not who I am. It's just something I'm feeling right now. And so it's okay. It's okay for me to feel it. It's okay for you to feel it. I would invite that. I would invite you to drop in to your emotions and write about them and talk about them and cry about them and pray about them and whatever it is that you need to do in order to feel it. Just feel it. Allow yourself to feel it. So that's the first thing. The second thing that I'm really working on right now is using all of my regulation tools, the things that I know help me to stay grounded and to recenter when I'm feeling like I'm in a stress response or I'm spinning out of control or whatever it is. I have tools, right, that I know work for me. I have found different tools that are kind of like the recipe for me to help myself stay with my feet planted on the earth and my mind intact and regulated and integrated and all of those things. And these are the moments I need them more than ever. And so each of us have different things that we know work for us. For me, it is breath work. So really tapping into my breath, doing box breathing, extended exhale breathing, anything like that. It is exercising, so making sure I get to the gym. It's listening to guided meditations, it's listening to calming music, it's taking a walk out in nature. So those are the things that I know are gonna help me to regulate and stay grounded and be in my rest, reset, digest nervous system instead of my fight, flight, freeze response nervous system. And so that's something that I pull to in these moments. I'm like, okay, I feel dysregulated, I feel out of control, I feel overwhelmed, I feel stressed, I feel scared, right? Okay, I'm gonna pause, I'm gonna take some breaths, I'm gonna give myself affirmations. I'm okay. I'm gonna get through this. My kid is okay, he's gonna get through this. And so I need to pull those things out in these moments. And that's what I did this morning. I had a really big emotional weekend. And so today I woke up, I drank my glass of water, noticed what I was grateful for, what I was thankful for. I put my tennis shoes on and I drove to the gym. I ran on the treadmill. Normally I would go like lift some weights or things like that, but today I just was not feeling like I had the energy or stamina to lift weights. And so I just grabbed a yoga mat and went into their yoga studio at the gym, and no one was in there, and the lights were dim. And so I just put on a guided meditation and I stretched and I laid there and just helped myself to reground and calm down. Sometimes when we are in these dysregulated states, it's easier to snap, it's easier to react instead of to respond. So another thing I always have to remind myself to do is to pause, right? When I'm feeling really triggered or really upset by a family member or anything like that, instead of reacting in that moment, instead of lashing out or yelling or slamming a door or whatever my instant knee-jerk reaction might be, the inclination might be anyway, I have to pause. I have to kind of be the observer of myself in that moment and realize my lid is slipped right now. I'm not regulated. I need to take some space. This is not the moment for me to respond. It's not gonna go well for anyone, it's not gonna go well for myself. And so, really taking that pause. When we're in these heightened states, just remembering we're gonna be more sensitive, we're gonna be more on edge with our kids. And so even letting them know, hey, mom's going through something right now, I'm having a hard time. If you could be a little bit more gentle right now, that would be really helpful. And then when those buttons do get pushed, letting them know, hey, I'm gonna take some space right now. I'm feeling really triggered. I can't deal with this at this moment, so I'm gonna go take care of myself and we can talk about this later. It's okay to take those pauses. We don't have to resolve everything in the moment. We can walk away. We can go to our room and close the door, put on that track, whatever we need. Close your eyes, talk to yourself kindly and compassionately. So those are the regulation techniques that work for me and whatever it is that works for you. Again, this is a moment that we can pull those out. Whenever we are scrolling on Instagram and we see these horrific things happening across the world, we can shut off Instagram, we can take a break, we can go outside, we can touch grass, we can look up at the sky, we can tap into our senses. What do I see with my eyes right now? What do I smell? What do I feel? What can I touch? All of those things, just present moment, be here right now. What am I grateful for? What can I do for myself in this moment to help myself reground? Make myself a hot cup of tea, take a bath, right? Those are the things that we can do in those moments. The next thing that I think is just so helpful for me, and maybe it will be helpful for you as well, is just really practicing a lot of self compassion. As moms and parents in general, we are so ready to give our kids compassion when they're tired, when they're lashing out, when they're scared. But it's a lot harder for us to pause and do the same for ourselves. So being kind, being kind to ourselves, talking to ourselves the same way we would talk to our kid when they're upset, giving ourselves grace. We don't have to always have it together. It's okay to fall apart. It's okay to not be perfect, it's okay to forget a few things here and there. We're just doing the best we can. We're always doing our best. And I know that's true for you. It's definitely true for me. If we can't quite meet the high bar expectation that we've set for ourselves in any given moment, we're just giving ourselves some compassion. It's okay. It's okay. We don't have to be perfect. We don't have to hold it all together all the time. It's good for our kids to see that too. That mom's not perfect. We all struggle. We all have hard moments. We all need grace sometimes. The next thing for me that is really helpful is to remember that we are here to enjoy this life, to enjoy our kids, to really appreciate and soak in the things that we do have already. So joy and gratitude are such amazing things to hold close during these times. So what are the ways that I can go find some more joy right now? Is that like scheduling a walk with a girlfriend? Is that going on a little date with my daughter? Is that making a really delicious meal or putting some flowers on my table or watching a funny movie? Just what are the ways that I can lighten up a little bit, that I can have a little bit of fun, that I can crack a joke at my husband and laugh a little bit, lighten the mood a little bit, and just looking around and noticing what is right in this moment, what is beautiful in this moment, what's already working in this moment, what I have that I can be thankful for right here and right now. So there's always something, there's always something that we can be grateful for. No matter what, there's always something. The fact that the sun rose again today, the fact that there's breath in my lungs if I have a healthy kid, the fact that I have a roof over my head, if I have a roof over my head, the fact that I'm drinking pure clean water, if I'm drinking pure clean water, there's always something that we can be grateful for. And it's not denying hardship, but it is being present with what is beautiful and good and right, also, which helps us to navigate all of the challenges. If it's just challenges, that's gonna be too much for my whole nervous system and for my brain. And so I have to have that balance of beauty and pain. It can't just all be hard. It has to be the noticing of what's right and working and beautiful too, because that is also just as present, even in the hardest of moments. And again, it's not about pretending that the hard things aren't hard, but it's about noticing that in the midst of the hard, there's beautiful and there's good and there's things that I can lean into with gratitude. And that makes a huge difference. Another thing that is really so, so helpful to me that I was reminded by when I read the book Beyond Anxiety, which was written by one of my favorite coaches of all time, Martha Beck. What Martha talks about is that creativity is an antidote for anxiety. When we are in anxiety, we are in that lower part of our brain, our amygdala is highly active. We're in fight, flight, freeze mode, and we have limited access to our prefrontal cortex and to our emotional regulation and all of those things. But when I get creative, when I put my hands to work, when I start thinking creatively about colors and design or whatever it is, building something, it moves me into the prefrontal cortex part of my brain and out of that survival brain. So it's almost like when you're creative, it's very, very hard to also be anxious. And so when I'm feeling those big feelings of worry and fear and concern and all of that, if I pull out my crafts, if I pull out my beadwork or my sewing or gardening or cooking a good meal, that brings me into a different part of my brain. And it really, really, really helps to just mitigate all of those anxious feelings and thoughts. So the next time you're in those big, big emotions that feel overwhelming, that feel anxiety provoking, fear-provoking, whatever it might be, pull something out to make. Put your hands to work and see what happens for you. Put on some good music, pull out your craft and see if you notice a shift. For me, it really, really helps. Instead of sitting on the couch and doom scrolling on Instagram, which is a very easy thing to do when you're not feeling your best, because it's easy. It's very easy to pick that thing up that doesn't require any mental energy. It's just like scroll, scroll, scroll, numb out, right? Which has its time and place. No shame, no blame, believe me. I have definitely spent way too much time doing that lately myself, just trying to check out. But I just want to invite you and invite myself to do it a little differently. So when you're noticing those big feelings, just put it down, pull something out to create, and put your hands to work. All right. The next big piece that I think is so helpful and so important and so needed more than ever is to be in community, to find your community, to spend time with your community. We are not meant to carry all of this alone. And I was reminded of that so much when I was at the memorial this weekend, just seeing all of these amazing, beautiful people come together to support a family and to bring all of their gifts and to bring their parts and their contributions to the table and the way that we can help uplift others when we're going through hard times and we're going through a big loss, losing a loved one or whatever it is. When we share the burden with other people, it's easier to carry. And so find your people, find even one person, find a friend to talk to, to reach out to. And if you don't have someone, work with a coach or a therapist or anything, someone that you can reach out to for support because we need support in this. We are not meant to carry it alone and we are stronger together. Um, when I worry about the state of the world and all of that, I feel like as one individual, I really can't do that much. But if I join in with an organization or a community that are doing something can make a difference, then our impact is so much stronger. So finding people and organizations and projects that you can work on together in order to increase that impact and to remind yourself that you're not doing this alone. That can be so, so huge and so helpful. This has been a lot of little points here today. I have two more to share with you. The next one is micro actions. So again, as one person, I can't change the world. I can't even change probably one issue that's out there on my own. But I can do little things that make a difference. And so when I think about what I can control, I can control little things like calling my representatives or signing petitions or donating $5 a month to an organization that's doing really good work, going and volunteering at a local community shelter or whatever it is. I can even create a post on social media about an issue that I care about, but just tiny little micro actions that we do over time, all of those things add up. We don't know how those things are going to impact someone. When they see that thing or they have a helping hand on that project or whatever it might be, all those little actions, they add up and they do ripple out. And even though it might not solve the entire problem, it does help. And when we're all contributing with micro actions, they add up. Regardless of the impact of those actions on the bigger world or the people around me, they impact me because then I feel like I am doing something positive. And I am not just letting myself succumb to hopelessness and fear and anxiety. Instead of succumbing and saying there's no point or why bother, I am taking my power back and I am saying, no, I believe in this earth. I believe in the people of this earth, I believe in a future for my kids, and I'm gonna do whatever I can, however small, to make a positive impact. And so if that means downloading the Five Calls app and calling my reps every single day, standing out in front of the grocery store with your petition to put something on the ballot or whatever it is, there's so many different ways that we can contribute that are based on our own personal gifts and passions and the causes that matter the most to us, we can do that. And it's a really beautiful thing to show our children too when they see us contributing like that as well. So instead of leaning into hopelessness and apathy, we want to keep leaning into trust and faith and action, right? Because that is where our power is. We don't want to give our power away. And the final thing I want to say today about all of this is that we don't have to sugarcoat this for our kids. Kids can handle more truth than we give them credit for, and especially teenagers who are already absorbing the world through their phones and through everything they're hearing out in the world at school or through their friends or whatever. So it's okay to be honest with our kids about how we're feeling and about the things that we're worried about in the world and the things that we see. I feel like sometimes we try to protect them so much, and so we're not letting them know that we're actually going through these human experiences as well of noticing and feeling and being impacted by what's happening around us. And so we can let them in on that. Of course, in an age-appropriate way, but giving them the respect that they are also experiencing these things and feeling them too. And so we can bring them in and let them know that it's a very human thing to feel feelings about all the things that are happening in the world and to maybe share some of these tools with them too. Helping them learn how to regulate their emotions, helping them take microactions, helping them, you know, get creative in those moments that they're feeling anxious, helping them talk about what's going on. Those are all things that they need. And so by us doing this work on ourselves, we are modeling it for them. And that is so important. I would just invite that that we can we can be real. We can be real with what's happening for us inside, with what's happening in the world, and we can have those conversations, especially with our teenagers. So I have been talking for a long time now. I really appreciate you if you're still here listening today, just you know, witnessing my experience and what's been happening for me and how I'm navigating all of it. And maybe there was something in today's episode that resonated with you that you might be able to grab hold of and apply to your own life. And if not, I just appreciate you being here and being part of my community and being the kind of parent that is always learning and growing and seeking support and community because I think that's more important than ever. So thank you so much for just listening today and being here with me. And just to kind of recap the points I covered today, the first point I said was to allow yourself to feel it and then use your regulation tools, give yourself compassion, remember to practice joy and gratitude, lean into creativity as an antidote to anxiety, find and participate in community, commit to daily micro actions or bigger ones, and then tell it like it is to your kids, you know? Be real. So that is what I have for you today. Thank you once again for being here. I'm with you in the journey. So feel free to reach out and share anything that resonated from today's episode. You can always connect with me on Instagram at jasmine.guidedpassages or find me on my website at guided-passages.com. All right, that's it for today. I will see you next time. Bye, everyone. Did you enjoy the show? If so, would you take 30 seconds to subscribe so you don't miss an episode? Leave a quick review so more parents can find these conversations and maybe even share this episode to your stories. And if you want to connect, please send me a DM on Instagram. I'm at jasmine.guidedpassages, and that's jasmine with a why. Thanks so much for being here, and I'll talk to you next week.