Is Justice Rigged? The Afroman Case Got REAL

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Is justice actually blind or does it only work when it wants to

We are breaking down the Afroman case and getting into the truth behind what really happened, what people are not saying, and why situations like this keep happening

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SPEAKER_04 0:49

All right. Welcome back, Truth Nation. I'm Tanya Wilder, the host of The Truth Ain't In Us. And if you're here for the very first time, welcome to the show. We welcome you, we welcome you, and we ask that you please, please like and subscribe to our page and please hit the notification button. So anytime we go live, you will be notified. Okay. And also, I want to say that because you're here on the truth ain't in us, we do not sugarcoat anything. We talk about real conversations and we say things that people are thinking about, but they're afraid to say out loud. Okay. But before we get started with the show tonight, um, again, I'd like for you guys to like and subscribe to our show and please hit the notification button. Uh we're trying to really build something here, and we appreciate all of you who have um actually followed us from day one and continue to watch us um as we continue to grow. We thank you for that. Okay, and before we get started, uh let me see why am I getting a message? Hold on. Bear with me, guys. Bear with me, bear with me. Okay. Um so before I get started, um, before we actually jump into the show tonight, I want to go ahead and introduce um my guest host, which is Don D, you know, Don of all Dons. Welcome, welcome. What's up? How are you? I am doing great. We have a great show uh tonight. And yeah, and guys, just so you know, um, hold on a second. I'm having some technical uh difficulties. Give me one second. Okay, I see. Just bear with me, guys. Yes. So I wanted to say before I even brought you on, I wanted to tell the people how confident you are, opinionated you are, that you always bring uh perspective that people are, you know, people that are they're talking about your perspective and what what you bring to the table here on The Truth Ain't in Us. So I gotta ask you. So for those who are watching, just so you know what our our topic is for tonight, um it's simple. Is justice blind? Okay, and we're gonna be talking about um the Afro Man case uh tonight. And many people want to know, is justice really blind or is it selective? And what is your take on that statement alone? I don't want to get into what we're gonna talk about tonight, but how do you feel about that statement? When you hear that, Dante, what what do you think?

SPEAKER_06 4:22

Is justice blind or selective? Um I would definitely say it isn't blind, it's definitely selective. We know that it's just being African Americans, you know, um people of color, you know, that look at what they do on the ice, look at what you know, it's a lot of stuff. And look what we have dealt with for 400 years, and you know, so it's very selective. I just um I heard something the other day, just real quick, um, that there was two type there was an officer that he got in some type of trouble or something. But what happened was he got in trouble for speaking out, and when he spoke out, he spoke out about because when they didn't did a raid in a white home, they wouldn't lay everybody down. But when they did a raid in the black home, they laid everybody down every time, kids and all, you know. So, is it selective? Of course it is, but that's my take. Go ahead, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

Uh and I think that's because they're threatened by us, and not because of um strength, but because of our knowledge, you know, we're yeah, and then and then we won't lose, we keep getting up.

SPEAKER_06 5:34

We no matter if you get resilient, beat us down, put us in prison, throw away the key, we get out, we we we we get up, and our kids do it for us, you know. So it is what it is, man. So, you know, uh, we're very resilient and we're gonna keep getting after it every time.

SPEAKER_04 5:50

So absolutely, and I'm gonna change the topic here a little bit before we jump into hot topics. But um this week for me, uh, I had a great experience. I don't know if you guys can see looking at my face, I didn't put on any makeup tonight only because I had some Botox done last week, and I also had some fillers. I had to get rid of that laugh line. You see a little bit right here, but in they said in two weeks you won't be able to see anything. And I well, you look great. Yeah, you know, black don't crack, but we I did have a little laugh line, a deep laugh line going on right there, and that's gone away, and I am thankful uh that it's gone. And when I put my makeup on, I shouldn't have that crease there anymore. You know, ladies, when we put our makeup on and we got that deep laugh line, it creases right there. And I do have two great uh makeup artists, by the way, that definitely minimize the crease before I got this done. So you wouldn't see it when I had my makeup on. But when I do my makeup myself, I can still see, I can still see it. Okay, I'm not the expert like they are.

SPEAKER_06 7:08

I have no idea what we're talking about, but okay. I have I have nothing. I have no enhancements, I have no makeup on, I have nothing, just no black spray, no nothing.

SPEAKER_04 7:18

No black spray. So let me ask you this. Do you go and get facials?

SPEAKER_06 7:26

Uh not really wash my face every morning with a new rag, you know.

SPEAKER_04 7:31

Yeah, but facials. Nah, you know, some men do go get facials.

SPEAKER_06 7:37

I get it, but I'm a man's man, I don't get pampered at all. I remember one time I got um my my ex-wife taught me into going to get my feet done. Man, my feet broke out. Soon as my feet broke it. I said, I told you I ain't supposed to be here. And jumped out of the gallery. Hold on. What do you mean your feet broke out? Like broke out. I got eczema, so I can't just keep my you know what I mean. So I don't know what happens. I just like I told you I'm not supposed to be here. They got up out of there. That's why the feet broke out. My face is gonna just I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

No, not happen. Well, did you tell them that you had eczema, that you have sensitive skin?

SPEAKER_06 8:17

Man, I don't know what they were saying. They were oh, I didn't go trying to act like what they were saying. I can't take with it. I didn't I needed my iPhone 25 years ago, you know. Oh my god, that's what they said.

SPEAKER_04 8:29

I couldn't understand it. Well, you look great, so but some people do need facials. I think it's good for men to get facials and to treat themselves um and pamper themselves at the end of the day. So you don't do massages either. None of that. So you just when you say you're a man's man, so if somebody is getting a massage, that makes them not a man's man.

SPEAKER_06 8:56

No, they just got that's what they want to do. I'd rather go do some man stuff, I'd rather go play basketball or uh go out of the yard and do something, uh, you know what I mean? Go to the barbershop, talk a little junk.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

I don't know. I'm not you you just not doing that, you're not getting no massages, you're not getting no uh now.

SPEAKER_06 9:18

My if I go with a lady or something like that, my lady tells me to go or something, or she wants to go. Probably, of course, I'll do stuff like that, but not really.

SPEAKER_04 9:26

Okay, I hear you. None of that. Okay, so how was your weekend? Anything interesting happened over the weekend for you? I know you said that you were doing a post about something concerning um your kids' sports this weekend, and you was about to get it popping or cracking. I just always get it popping.

SPEAKER_06 9:52

It wasn't it, it wasn't this weekend, it just been, you know, I just think you know, um, I I train my kids a certain type of way, you know, um to and my kid wants it, you know. I mean, he really works out like three to four times a day, and a lot of people he plays basketball and baseball, but he really loves basketball, gets after it, and he does it at a certain level that I'm just impressed. And and so, and I'm not saying it just called him his father, like because I I'm his worst critic, you know. I tell him, you know, this ain't for you, bro. Might need to do something else or something. But then he comes back again and does something that just amazes me as a father, as a coach, as a trainer, as so I'm a hundred percent ten toes behind him, and just some little lame stuff happened with him that just happened. I don't want to express it now. I'll I'll spray some like a sports outlet. We got a documentary going on with them and everything, so you'll they'll hear about it through there. But you know can give us a little bit. Well, well, I'm saying just people hating, you know, I mean, and just not letting not letting a dog be a dog, not letting a dog, you know. In certain situations, I think sports is about being a little bit barbaric, you know. Back in the day in the Roman times and BC times, if you didn't win, you died. And I'm not saying that literally, but you need to express yourself like that when you're when you're performing, you know, you need to go after it. Like, if you're gonna die, let's die now. Let's get after it. Let's do everything.

SPEAKER_04 11:21

You know, people are gonna always talk trash when it comes to sports.

SPEAKER_06 11:24

Well, it's not even talking trash, but it's when the powers that be take the opportunity away completely from a young man that's trying to do something better with his life, that's not selling drugs, that's not in the game, that's not having sex with a whole bunch of women, that's just being a good young man. Now he has his flaws and he has his things that he needs to get better, but he's a great student, a b student, been the whole time. So just things like that that I just want, you know, the not just for me to see, but the world to see. He's a much better man than what I was at 17 and 18 years old. Believe that. Okay, and I was and I and I was and I was some, I was I'll get after it too out there. So the apple don't, and I always say it you or something else, is what you're saying. Yeah, the apple don't fall too far from the tree. And I get in trouble for a saying, and I just want to say this, and this is what put a little bit more, and a lot of people hate when I say this, but uh, I have a saying that I've been saying since my boy's been five years old. Because let me tell you why, because I use the front yard, I use the side yard, I use the park up the street. I went out to every basketball court with my kids, I spent the time and I said, if you want to do this, son, this is what you have to do. But I have a saying I say, if you want to win, put that Thomas boy in. If you want to win at all, you gotta let him ball. And so many people having a truck having a problem with that. And I say it in the most pivotal moments while my son's at the free throw line and he's down by one point and he got a score. I say it then.

SPEAKER_04 12:52

So you're getting you're getting the Dion treatment. You know how they treated Dion when it came to his kids for yes.

SPEAKER_06 12:59

I don't got half of the I don't got half of the power Dion got. Now I'm a lot of the man Dion is, but I don't have a lot of the power and a lot of respect and a lot of the you know, because a lot of people out here, there a lot of people that have been awarded with the success have been exactly awarded because of who they are, or because of what they know, because of politics, not because of how hard they work, the grind that they put in, the energy that they displayed, the good, the good um sportsmanship, the good character, all that, like all that, and people look against that because they know guess why? Because they know if I let you do it, you're gonna shine, and I don't get nothing from it. And I might get my job taken if you you know the power goes to you, and it's just a lot of that goes on in the world. But let's get back to the truth, let's get back to the people that are really getting after it. Let's get back to the dogs, let's get back to the the real men, let's really dig down, let a dog eat, stop putting involved in jail. You see what I'm saying? Stop being selective to justice.

SPEAKER_04 14:00

Well, some dogs belong in jail, some dogs belong belong behind bars. Well, what I mean I'm talking about, depending on what they do, sports.

SPEAKER_06 14:08

I'm talking about sports right now. I'm talking about sports, and even too. But like John Lewis said, let's get in some good trouble. Yep, you know what I'm saying? Get us some good trouble. You know what I mean? A lot of people scared to get in good trouble. The trouble I get in can't ain't gonna land me in jail bumble for about five, six days because I can't get a little bit of money. Turn about.

SPEAKER_04 14:29

Oh my god. Well, tonight we are also going to be joined by someone who works closely with justice in legal issues in our community. Um, he also has a podcast called Hill of Justice, and he's also been on this show, I believe, either once or twice before. Let's welcome tonight Jerome Hill from Hill of Justice. Hey, Jerome! Jerome, how you going? Jerome, can you hear us? Hello. I don't know if he can hear us. I'm gonna have to give Jerome a call here. I think he has us on mute. I'm calling him guys. This is live. Jerome, can you hear us?

SPEAKER_05 15:34

I can't hear you all 100%.

SPEAKER_04 15:36

No, we we can't well you we can't hear you.

unknown 15:40

We can't hear you.

SPEAKER_05 15:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 15:44

Yeah, I would go go in and come back out. Yeah, I would go go in and come back out.

unknown 15:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 15:48

All right. All right, he's okay. So wait on it. We wait on Mr. Jerome. We're gonna wait on so guys. Before um, while uh Jerome hops back on, he's gonna go out and come back in tonight. We're gonna be talking about we're moving into the hot topics of the show, okay? And this is where we take a look at the trending topics in our culture and what people are talking about online on social media. And of course, some of the stories are funny and some are controversial, but at the end of the day, you're watching The Truth Ain't In Us, and we're gonna keep it real, we're gonna keep it truthful 100%. And hopefully, Jerome will be on here in just a second. But while we wait for him, we're gonna keep it moving, okay? So the first topic, this topic has been hitting the internet hard this week, and that first topic, Lord have mercy. Our first hot topic involves Chili from TLC. She's been receiving some backlash online for reposting uh content that appeared to support um Donald Trump. Uh, I believe she has donated to his campaign, and then she also is being criticized for um reposting uh some negative things about Michelle Obama, and I'll get into that shortly. Let's go ahead and watch this uh clip of Chile apologizing, and then we'll get into it.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Hey guys, um I wanted to come on here to address a few things that's circulating on the internet that's very concerning to me. Uh let me say this first. I have the utmost respect and admiration for Michelle Obama, and I would never say or do anything that is disrespectful to her or to any woman. I would never do that. And I had no clue that this repost had happened until I started getting phone calls and text messages from everybody, and I immediately went to my page to see what was going on. Now, mind you, I'm not very computer savvy, so I'm looking for this repost button, and I see that all of them, all of these buttons are very, very close to each other, and clearly I was scrolling and my thumb hit the repost button. Again, I had no clue that something like this happened until I got all the calls, but of course, I took that down, and you know, I would never post anything like that. I would never do something like that. That is not my character. Um, I have supported the Obamas. I gave uh to the campaign both runs, voted twice for him, and supported the organization that Michelle had in the schools for exercise for the kids. Um I would never do anything that's harmful or hateful to anybody. You know, I'm just not wired like that. That is that's just not who I am. And when it comes to organizations that I have donated to, um, these are the things that support the veterans. You know, I have always supported them, not just now, but for years, this is not something new. So I just wanted to let you guys know, you know, this from me, you know, that I would never do anything so disrespectful. And I would just never, I'm just not about hate or anything like that. You know, if you look look on my page and see my post, it's all about love, faith, and connection. That's what I'm all about, you know, and I've always been that way, and I will continue to be just that way. So I just want to thank you guys for you know your love and your support and just taking the time to listen to me right now. I really, really appreciate that. And I love you guys. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 20:12

Okay, okay, okay. Donde, where are you? Okay, so Jerome had to restart his. Oh, there he is. Hey, Jerome.

SPEAKER_05 20:22

Hey, I apologize, everyone. I had to restart my computer. Uh, of course, my computer was super excited to talk to you both, and that's why it shut down an extreme, excreaming, exhilarated moment that it had. It was it wasn't ready. I was though.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

Okay, no problem. But we're gonna keep it moving. Yes, and the show must go on. So here is, you know, Chili is saying, Thank you guys. She's thanking us for listening, hearing her, or whatever, but we don't believe her. Lie number one. Okay, and Chili, you're gonna get a little upset here. This may upset you and your fans and your followers, your um consecutive um uh branch that you follow. But here's the here's the real deal. You reposted something about Michelle Obama that's negative. I believe their post was about her being um registering as a man to vote. And you want us to believe that you hit this button to repost, but and it's an accident. And you want us to believe that you donated to Donald Trump's campaign because of veterans. I don't know what the hell that has to do with veterans don't giving money to Donald Trump's campaign. But at the end of the day, we're not buying the lie. Okay. We're not falling for it. We know it's all about the ticket sales for this concert that you guys are putting on with salt and pepper. And I believe what's the other group in vogue? And even though we love those groups, the people are saying we're not standing by you. We're not buying tickets. We're not supporting you because of all the negative things that this administration has done to hurt and harm brown people. Okay. We're not falling for the Okie Dok. And not only that, her partner, well, not even partner, because her band member from TLC is uh what's the other young lady's name? Um T Boz. There's now a post that's going around. Um T Boz did an interview um a couple of years ago and stated in the interview that Chile actually voted for Trump. So there is no mistake, there's no, oh, I'm so sorry. And we are drawing the line in the sand at this point. You're either with us or you're against us. At the end of the day, you're either with us or you're against us. And that goes, I think it should go for anybody that's brown or whatever color they are that's supporting this administration at the end of the day. We got um Nick Cannon who's talking shit. And he don't even know what the hell he's talking about. Okay, and we'll get into that too. But I want to know what you guys takes take is on all of this. I'm gonna start with you, Donde. I see you got your hand over your head. Let's go ahead. We got we're gonna let her have it tonight. No, I don't know. I can't let her have it. What what what's the question? What are you asking me? What is your take about do you believe chili?

SPEAKER_06 24:05

Yeah, I do think she reposted it.

SPEAKER_04 24:08

Oh, she's saying it was an accident. I do think it was an accident. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_06 24:14

I think she was just having a little fun, probably a little bit, too many cups of wine, probably actually liked it, hit the wrong button, you know. But it, I think that's probably how she feels, you know. I mean, I don't judge anybody off of politics, she can vote for whoever she wants to, but what I can say, okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:30

This is hold on, because this is the truth ain't in us, right? This show is called The Truth Ain't in Us. And earlier today, you were having a different take on this. So I'm gonna need you. I'm gonna need you to be truthful, I'm gonna need you to bring the real, real.

SPEAKER_05 24:44

Listen, let me pull up my cuffs right now.

SPEAKER_04 24:47

Yeah, there you go. Go go get it, Jerome, because we're about to lock his ass up.

SPEAKER_06 24:51

Yeah, I need to remain silent. You see what I'm saying? So I need to vote, I need to remain silent like chili now. No, no, but what I think though, and I'm just gonna be honest with you, it's just the the truth, and I'll be real quick about it. And I'm big on the Obamas, you know. I feel like the President Obama is a superhuman. I feel like everybody should try to strive to be him. Let me tell you the reason why he became the president of the United States, the a black that's not even just let's let's not even talk about his color, let's just say the president of the United States, you know, and that's the ultimate thing. So I think that every young black man should try to look up to him, not LeBron, not I'm not saying don't look up to LeBron, don't look up to Tiger Woods, don't look up to these guys, but in our community, Tiger Woods, but go ahead. Yeah, but in our community, we're looking up to the wrong type of people, we're looking up the entertainers, we're looking up the rappers, we're looking up the musicians, we're looking up to Chili, we're looking up to these type of people. And I'm just saying, somebody's looking up, you know, and and I know Chili, and I'm not saying I don't know Chili, I just know Chili from Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls and TLC. I don't know her for politics, I know her for being the pretty young lady that she is, I know her for dropping the ball with Usher. You see what I'm saying? That's what I know her for, you know what I mean? Because she had Usher, right? And Usher's the most, you know, and my thing is so that's what I know her for. But I but I look at Michelle as my thing is Michelle's the ultimate woman, you know, and I don't even I don't even pay no attention when I see Michelle Obama as a man out of it. Man, get out of that. My I stripe, stripe. I throw my phone down. I don't want to see that because that's a beautiful woman the way she holds Barack down. I don't think we would think Barack is the best that he is, and and who he is, and how all and how cool he is and how smart he is if he didn't have Michelle. I think Michelle gives him a little, gives him that pedazz, get make it, you know, makes him not have no cracks in his armor. I think if he didn't have Michelle, we'd have been found a couple cracks in Barack's armor, you know, as you know, I think she's you know, just little things like she might tell him, hey man, put that cigarette down around all these people, you know, just little things like that. I think that, but Michelle's the ultimate woman. She's beautiful, she's elegant. You know, I would never speak out against her. You know, I love the way she holds Barack down, and I think a lot of our women need to hold our men down just like that.

SPEAKER_04 27:13

Even if the president of the United States is the janitor of the school. Okay, and Jerome, what's your thoughts on this?

SPEAKER_05 27:20

You know, our culture is broken. Absolutely. Naturally, what we're seeing is, you know, what Don D was talking about, you know, we shouldn't be looking up to our entertainers, you know, our sports athletes. Who the hell are we gonna listen to? Because it can't be the politicians, the politicians have failed us 1,000%. It starts at home. Every part of our culture has been perverted and is a disgrace at this point in time. So, what do you think with the advent of social media, people are gonna run to? They're gonna run to these uh celebrities, they're gonna run to these entertainers. And because everybody is on TikTok swiping left and right and on Facebook and so on and so forth, you know, these become echo chambers. And this is one of the situations where you have, you know, a woman who doesn't want to go ahead and really have her affiliation out there and has to backtrack now because she's getting backlash. Uh, there wasn't an intentionality there. Um, there was, you know, uh, you're not gonna tell me somebody as refined and as smart as she made a mistake. There's no way you're gonna tell me that. What's disgusting about it is stand on the hill that you want to die on always. Never, never, never, never retreat. Unless you don't belong on that hill or what you're saying about that hill you don't really believe in. Get out.

SPEAKER_06 28:46

Love that.

SPEAKER_05 28:47

And this is the problem that we see each and every time with our politicians, particularly, they're first and foremost, but then with other people who want to go ahead and see that their pockets are now being sabotaged by the things that they're saying. And now they want to go ahead and backtrack. You own it, stand up to it. There's nothing that you can do at this point in time except apologize and say, I believe in this and this and this. You may not believe in every issue that man has to say, but you believe in something that made you want to go ahead and vote for him and to go ahead and believe that his policies are something that you aspire to have and want others to take a look at. Now that you are getting some backlash, you want to go ahead and have uh a different front. Well, guess what? You own it, take it. Most of you are cowards, just like he is, but you're a coward for not going ahead and standing behind your guy.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

And I agree with that 100%. I believe if you voted for him, own it. Stand on it, stand on your heel. And if you get off, but here's the bigger question: Do you believe that the sand should be drawn in the line? The line should be drawn in the sand when it comes to you either with us or you're against us, and we are now we're seeing more and more people because we are powerful, okay, when it comes to our spending our money, our spending our dollars and supporting um these celebrities, and we saw the power behind Target when we stopped shopping at Target. They lost billions of dollars. And so when it comes to these celebrities, we can make or break them. We hold that power. Okay. And I a lot of times, and a lot of celebrities, yeah. Well, a lot of celebrities won't, they're probably not gonna like what I have to say right now, but when they first start out and they need us, okay, they're nice, they'll take pictures, they'll they'll they'll they'll extend themselves, but once they've made it to a certain level, they become untouchable. And I get like we have some crazy people out there like what's going on with Rayana and stuff like that, and I get all of that, okay. Um, and they need protection because we have crazy people out here in this world, so I get that. But when it comes to being with Donald Trump being mega, mega, I mean, are we going to say to uh our people we're now you're canceled? No.

SPEAKER_05 31:55

Absolutely, yes. You have to. Um, and the reason being the re the reason being is cancel her one party, yeah. You you cancel her. You can go ahead at this point in time understand what a lot of people would like to go ahead and talk to you about to see is to say, hey, guess what? I'm I I just believe in one thing. I'm a one-party issue person. But the problem is that if we're going to be global neighbors and also be neighbors to our fellow citizens, you have to think of the totality. You can't just think and be selfish about yourself. If you want America to be great again, okay, if you really believe in that, then you have to go ahead and think of the whole, not be selfish about yourself. And they want to go ahead and talk about this being the home of the brave, okay? This is the weakest I've ever seen this nation. Absolutely. Absolutely. You're nobody's being brave. Even the take that I'm bringing right now, people are gonna cry, get upset about it, like, oh, he's so un-American. No, no, you can be critical of this nation and still understand that it is not working for everyone, it's supposed to work for the majority, not for the for the very few or selective that have money and power. And this is a person who has a megaphone who's speaking full throated and saying, This is my guy, and yet this person is hurting individuals left and right. Exactly. Stand on that hill, shut up, it's yours, own it. That's the end of it.

SPEAKER_06 33:23

But but I get everything, everything you said is so true. But let me ask you a question: what does cancel me? You know what I mean? Because I didn't know means we're not gonna support her in her cause.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

She she's having a conversation. We're not what about T Boss? Casualty of war. You've heard of that. No, there's casualty.

SPEAKER_05 33:42

Why celebrate her? That's my question.

SPEAKER_06 33:45

Not celebrate, celebrate her for her for her music, celebrate her for what she's had. I guess the hunting.

SPEAKER_05 33:52

That's a that music that she made that was hot is back then. You don't have to sport that no more.

SPEAKER_06 33:58

I don't think people are gonna listen to it.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

You're only as good as they gonna say they're gonna say as good as your last song, whatever it is you did.

SPEAKER_05 34:07

Yeah, go ahead, do that, rock that in your car. I'm not going to go play it in your car.

SPEAKER_04 34:12

And and we and we come from the sales world, we come from the sales world, Don D. So you're only as good as your last month, right? No, for me, the last day. Well, for me, it's when when we're talking about our month, our monthly um closeout or whatever, and I get what you're saying about your last day, but I'm just saying, same thing when it comes to the music industry. You're only as good as your last hit. And at the end of the day, Chili wants to play in our freaking face and lie because the ticket sales uh have dropped and people are saying they're not supporting her.

SPEAKER_06 34:50

But you don't go over Sher Obama though. That's what you don't do. That's yeah, that's our black queen. That's what you don't do. That's off. That's all. She's off. Like, that's our black queen.

SPEAKER_04 34:59

You don't go out. At the end of the day, you want to sit up here and say, Oh, uh, I don't know that I hit the um the the the button here. You know, I don't know what's going on. Come on.

SPEAKER_06 35:11

So you oh, like he said, stand on that heel, man, get up. Exactly. Now I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. I just want to know what counsel meant.

SPEAKER_04 35:19

Yeah, and we're running behind, so we're gonna keep it going. We're gonna move on to the next hot topic real quick. And you guys, like I love, I love Drew Ski. I love Drew Ski. Okay, that is my man right there. Okay, and I love his comedy. And this past week he went viral again for doing the skit of Erica Kirk, and the internet just can't stop talking. So let's watch this clip, and we're not gonna watch the whole thing, um, Collins, because of time. So let's just watch a few minutes, uh, one minute of this clip, and then we're gonna jump back on. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Well, you fucking war is raging in Iran.

SPEAKER_10 36:21

We're praying, we're praying for all the soldiers and troops.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

That's great that you're praying, but how about all the kids that died when the USA hit the clouds? It broke my heart. That is the oh God.

SPEAKER_06 36:36

In what ways have you grown closer to Jesus?

SPEAKER_02 36:38

I serve a righteous God. And that is why we say our prayers. But when I say children, I mean like the holy blessed trinity, which is why I hold the Bible.

SPEAKER_10 37:03

Sweet cream foam chai ice matcha and Bella will have all organic.

SPEAKER_04 37:13

Oh my god. I don't know what happened to Don D. I guess he will be coming back in, but we're gonna keep it going. Um you know, some people think that this is hilarious, and some uh some people think that it hits too close to home, and I think that's the conservative people out there. And Erica Kirk is having a hissy fit over this uh skit and threatening to sue Drewski, and people are saying he has the right um to do this. It's comedy. And she, I think Elon Musk even she wanted him to take it, take, take it down. He was like, no, I'm not taking it down, which surprised me. Okay. But at the end of the day, what was uh I'm gonna start with you first, Jerome. What did what's your take on this Drewski skit and Erica Kirk saying she wants to sue him?

SPEAKER_05 38:14

Um, let me go ahead and explain that. Um in shortly we're gonna talk about the Afro Man case. Yes. And this parallels the Afro Man case in terms of what the Supreme Court decision was. Parity happens to be one of the most protected forms of speech that is out there. That's why these comedians can say almost at card glance anything that they want. Um, that she's barking up the wrong tree. If she thinks that she's gonna be, she can sue them all she wants to, but it's gonna take an L just like uh, you know, the seven deputies in Ohio did. So for the same reason that you know Afroman was able to get off. You cannot go ahead, a parody of someone, I don't care how close it is to mimicking the actual person, it was over the top, and that's what it is. If you're a public figure like I am, and a few others are, you have to go ahead and understand that there's going to be a subset of people who are not going to go ahead and agree with you. There's gonna be other people that love you. But for the ones that want to go ahead and make fun of you, and I had tons of people do that. What are you so upset about? Is it because it hits home and it may be of this facade that you're putting out is stinging a little bit because it's closely matching that? Even if it was her best move, just like in the case with Afro Man, like those seven deputies, you brought more attention to yourself to be clowned, and this is what happened to her.

SPEAKER_04 39:46

I think she gets to see how she acts in public, and she sees that reflection of herself and she can't handle it. Like, oh my god, is this how I'm behaving? Is this how I'm coming across? And now she's embarrassed by all of this. And Donnie, you got your hand up here like this. Like, what's going on? What are you what's going on?

SPEAKER_06 40:09

Drusy is a nut, you know. I mean, that's just what it is. And he and like he said, he went over the top in this society with the internet age with the TikTok and everything. You kind of kind of go over the top to get what they're trying to get. Whatever success that they're trying to get, Dr. You know, you gotta kind of go over the top. Now, do I think he's trying to be like the young lady? No, I think he's trying to be like all of them. I think that he I see I didn't need her. I seen about three, four other people that he looked like, you know, and it just goes back to Marlon Wayne and the Sean Wayne's with white chicks, you know. At the same time, do I feel I gotta look at it from I gotta step out of myself too and look at it from the other side as well, you know, the way they look at it. They're looking at as hey, you know, we can't do blackface, right? So, how can you do white face? So that's why I think it's causing a lot of controversy, more than Erica Kirk. I think it's more that they want to do blackface.

SPEAKER_05 41:09

Here's the problem when people say that, and it's just the reverse portion that they want you to believe in. So exactly you can't go ahead and have a group of people who are um elitist, okay, and then go ahead and feel as though that they are the ones being victimized when it comes to these types of things.

SPEAKER_06 41:29

Whoa, people do that all the time though, right?

SPEAKER_05 41:31

They do that all the time, correct. But you have no leg to stand on if you enjoy certain, if you enjoy certain liberties here in the United States that other people can't even pretend to enjoy. And thus, what what it creates is this this factory in this film of individuals saying, Hey, guess woe is me because I can't do what you did. Well, yeah, you can say the N-word. Go ahead and say it in front of my face, go ahead and say it in front of somebody else's face. There's consequences to that, and what they want to go ahead and make it seem like, hey, guess what? The consequences can't be for us if we want to go ahead and do blackface. Well, it is when you have demarginalized a set of people for hundreds of years, exactly, hundreds, and you can't go ahead and reverse you well, what we call reverse engineer this victimization. You can't do that, but that's what they want to go ahead and get even more power to them in regards to say, I guess what we can do the same thing that you do, you can't because you hold this platform up here, and did make a statement um in one of her little speeches about all the white good men, uh something along the way.

SPEAKER_06 42:49

But but at the same time, it is white good good white men.

SPEAKER_04 42:52

There are there is no no no no no no no. That's not what she was saying, okay. She was saying that there are only good white men in America, excluding everybody else. She was speaking to them only. You need to go back and watch the speech. I did. I why wasn't it? Lucy was for sure talking about her throughout the whole entire skit without calling her name or whatever the case may be. He was referring to Erica Kirk.

SPEAKER_06 43:25

Period. I just you know, I just I grieved for her, you know what I mean? First why? Her husband died. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 43:34

And they both were and there and he was a racist. So I I I shed no tears for racist people.

SPEAKER_06 43:42

Well, I just I just you know, I don't want nobody to die, nobody to be assassinated.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

Okay, no color.

SPEAKER_05 43:51

I will say this that if you have an individual like she who is Espousing what could be white nationalistic views.

SPEAKER_04 44:06

And capitalizing.

SPEAKER_05 44:07

And whether she's capitalizing or not, she has a bullhorn and she's saying all these things. You can go ahead and say those things. Not a problem. But that doesn't absolve you from the consequences of people ridiculing you. And thus, you know, for her to go ahead and be woe is me, uh, you know, I don't, I don't feel that. Um, and if you, you know, she should have laughed at it. She she should have what?

SPEAKER_04 44:34

She should have laughed at it.

SPEAKER_05 44:35

No, but when you or ignored it. That's that's part of it. Yeah, you know, and and thus, you know, she brought more attention to herself. That's without saying, but it speaks more to how entitled people are sick of it. I will say that playing the victim too. Playing the victim. Guess what? Of course. I don't know if you were out and about on Saturday, but there were millions of people out. Yes. The No Kings. And guess what? A lot of them were. Majority were white people.

unknown 45:06

White.

SPEAKER_05 45:07

Okay. They're sick of it. They're sick of all this nonsense, too. You know, so it's just not, you know, a lot of people want to go ahead and say, hey, guess what? It's a black and white thing, or it's, you know, multicultural. It it it it all it is right now is is an ugly subset of people who are trying to go ahead and dominate and have things back to what it once was, where they felt like they had the most control. Right now, they don't feel that way, or they feel as though that they need more control because they have lost it or slipped it, or they're worried about their kids. You know.

SPEAKER_04 45:45

And I think, Jerome, sorry to interrupt you, but I feel like too, they feel as though um that they're becoming the minority. And they don't want to see that. They are though, they are.

SPEAKER_05 45:59

Well, they would be because right now white um white births are at the lowest it's ever been. You couple that with why they changed Roe v. Wade, and that was to go because more white people had abortions, and they're trying to go ahead and make sure that that does not collapse. And so they're worried about in 2050, 2060, that brown people will be the majority in the United States. I just want your audience to hear that again. In 2060, you have brown people that will be the majority in the United States. That's no easy feat. And it's been years and decades in the in the making. That's why you see the immigration issue being such a hotel. Exactly. You know, and is it is what they fear most because when you go ahead and subjugate a group of people like that and they break free, guess what? You're worried about your house burning down, you getting hung. Now the rabbit, where's the gun now?

SPEAKER_04 47:05

That's what that's about. Well, guys, great discussion thus far. We want you guys to put in the comments um should this uh line be drawn in the sand? What do you guys think? Um should people be canceled for supporting uh Donald Trump and this administration? Do you need to take a break, Don D? You good? I'm good. You need you need to have you some water in front of you or something.

SPEAKER_05 47:40

I apologize. I know my stuff is a little strong.

SPEAKER_04 47:45

I got the juice right here. Okay, okay. All right. Well, we're gonna move on into uh the show. Uh the topic for tonight. I'm sorry, what happened? Oh, somebody's texting me in the middle of the show and saying they should absolutely be canceled. Okay, absolutely. But um, let's get the show going. We're gonna talk about the Afro Man case. Okay. And it's just this blind or selective. Uh, we're gonna play a little bit of uh Afro Man's um video before we jump in. We're only gonna do one of the videos. I had two, but we're gonna do one and we're probably just gonna play one minute of that so we can go ahead and move into the topics. So the show is gonna probably run over a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

They did searching your house, gave you the right to do everything you can.

SPEAKER_07 48:41

Under the circumstance that I got freedom of speech, after they run around my house with guns and kick down my door, I got the right to kick a can in my backyard, use my freedom of speech, turn my bad times into a good time. Yes, I do. And I think I'm a sport for doing so, because I don't go to their house, kick down their doors, flip them off on their surveillance cameras, then try to play the victim and sue them.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

You were at Lisa Phillips' deposition, correct?

SPEAKER_07 49:07

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

In your lawyer's office?

SPEAKER_07 49:09

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Same office where you filmed part of that video last Friday. Yes, sir. You saw how upset she was when she was answering your lawyer's questions about how this had affected her, right?

SPEAKER_07 49:23

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

And you saw your attorney say, Should we do we need to take a break?

SPEAKER_07 49:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 49:28

And you saw her say, No, let's get let's go on and get this over with.

SPEAKER_07 49:32

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

You saw all that.

SPEAKER_07 49:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

You knew she was upset.

SPEAKER_07 49:36

Just like she knew I was upset when she was standing in front of my kids with an AR-15 with her hand around the trigger, ready to shoot me. Uh, just like she knew I was upset when she cut my cameras, but I'm not a person she is, so I'm sorry for being a victim. Let's talk about the predators.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Okay. So you saw all that, you saw how upset she was, you heard the testimony about her children, you heard the testimony at the depositions about Randy Newland's daughter who came home upset. You heard all that, but you're still posting stuff about it.

SPEAKER_07 50:02

Yeah, because I understand it was Randy's fault and all of their fault for coming to my house in the first place. So if they hadn't come to my house, their children wouldn't be saying nothing, none of this would be going home if they had their research and did things right. So all of this is their fault, and now they want to sue me for their mistake.

SPEAKER_04 50:21

All right. Let's end that there. Oh my god. So I got so much to say about this. So, for those of you who haven't seen the video, um his house was raided because they believed that he had drugs and had kidnapped kids or was trafficking kids or something along that line. They found no drugs, they found no kids um kidnapped, and so he had cameras all around his house, and he made a music video, a rap video, and using the clips from his camera, and talked about the police officers in in the um who did the raid. And then they turned around the audacity to sue him for defamation, and he wound up winning the case. So, Jerome. I know a lot of people are gonna be mad about what I'm about to say, especially these white, conservative judges. They're not gonna like what I'm about to say, but what I want to know from you um when it comes to the Afro Man case, um, the judge on in this case he was hostile, he was impartial, and he was upset about the verdict and kept inserting himself. And I also saw a video today where one of the jurors was anonymous and said how the judge questioned them after the case, wanting to know why they ruled the way they did. So I want to know is justice really blind or selective, or is just not fair? Because in my eyes, and from what I've seen just from this judge, I don't believe that we have a fair shake when we go into the courtroom.

SPEAKER_05 52:40

Well, it it can be both. Um, they're not mutually exclusive and and or they can be mutually excuse exclusive. Here's with the case in itself. Uh, the judge, I don't know if you know about this. We did this episode on our show a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_04 52:58

Um can I interrupt you just for a second because we didn't have an opportunity because you were out. Just tell the people real briefly what it is that you did and why you're here on the show to answer these questions.

SPEAKER_05 53:10

So, real briefly. So, me and my brother uh host the Hill of Justice podcast, and we go into deep dive analysis of the most viral cases here in the United States. Uh, and this was one of the cases that we took a look at um in in Ohio.

SPEAKER_09 53:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 53:30

And so as we were taking a look at this, the judge, which is a very rare thing to do, although he won the case, he split the cost of bringing the court, the the case to court between the seven deputies and the one defendant. So when you say is justice fair, you know, is just as selective, um, you then what you're saying, you know, in this case, I which I do believe that, you know, he has an absolute, and what I'm talking about is Joseph Foreman, that's his name. He absolutely has a case to go ahead and have that even um uh looked at in in appeals because that is ridiculous on that individual. Rare's a time, and I've been in the court system for a long, long, long, long time. Um, rare's a time that that ever happens.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

Wow. And I think uh for me, I think him wearing the his outfit was brilliant, his lawyer was brilliant, um he was well prepared when he came to court. But this was in a hard case. Well, I well, it could have gone another way. If the jury, if they weren't if they were, if they were biased people.

SPEAKER_05 55:01

Sure. I mean, and and you have that, you know, but this it and as I said earlier in the show, this happens to be one of the most protected forms of speeches. They would have to go up against the entire constitution to say that this isn't something that he can't say or do. Did he create the the conditions? No, he did not. Did he go ahead and use his own footage that he made with service and everything like that to go ahead and make lemon pound cake? Or you're gonna go ahead and fix my door, you know, and make a parody of these individuals who made one of the most colossal mistakes that they could have done in their careers and then amplify it by trying to go ahead and want emotional distress, loss of reputation, you know, uh they were worried about security threats. You did that to yourself. That's like me being a police officer. I hit a house, I didn't do none of my research. I believe that these things were happening, nobody sat on the house, and I just went in there willy-nilly and I destroyed everybody's home, and the city won't pay for it, or the county won't pay for it, and you don't think that there's gonna be some retribution coming back to me? I'd be stupid. All 70s. First of all, the issue is the city manager, the county manager, they were a disaster. The the chief was a disaster because somebody should have stopped them to say, don't do this. You're gonna bring more harm to us than we care to have. This is what happens in small towns like this when they're not very well in big towns that I worked in, whether it be Baltimore, whether it be Pittsburgh, whether it be Miami, we're not bringing up these rinky dink stuff. Nobody's doing that because big time attorneys in those areas would be like, hold up, we can't do this. We're not using our and losing our reputation. So this is what happens in rinky dink towns like this and small-time deputies, truth be told.

SPEAKER_04 57:09

So, do you think that we're gonna see more of this from other people? Because, like, what happens when someone raids your house, finds nothing, and you're just left with whatever destruction that they've caused to your home?

SPEAKER_05 57:27

And you make a rap video and you go ahead and use your own footage and stuff like that. Yeah, you could go ahead and sue, and you're gonna be found not guilty, just like this. And this is what's gonna happen. Is this a sign of more things to come? No, because people are gonna go ahead, attorneys look at this too. Now they went national, and they're like, Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not taking this. Or you get you got to get somebody small that's just coming out of law school that doesn't have a pot to piss in, go ahead and take that type of case. Nobody with a reputable firm would even think to do something like this.

SPEAKER_04 58:04

But what about the people who homes are being raided?

SPEAKER_05 58:09

They have a recourse, they can go ahead and ask for the city to go ahead and reimburse them, and then that will be what they can go ahead and do, or they can go to the courts.

SPEAKER_06 58:19

But what about the recourse? What about if they're raiding your house with AK-47s? Excuse me. I'm sorry. If they're raiding your house with AK-47s or whatever they have, AR-15s or guns and stuff, and they shoot you. What's the recourse from that point? You're dead because if you get shot with an AK-47, most likely you're dead. But that's not a good thing. That's what happened. That's what happened.

SPEAKER_05 58:40

Well, I think one of the cases that we need to talk about when it comes to that is Breonna Taylor when they put up a false search warrant, went to go ahead and serve it, and actually killed her actually because of her boyfriend.

SPEAKER_06 58:54

And then but they didn't say they were Afro Man, they put a fake surf search warrant up, sure. Because I don't know. Can I speak now? Because I'm ready to go. Yeah, because how can we trust the police at this point? So it's not even about trust the police, it's about so let me tell you what this is. Y'all gotta understand who Afro Man is. Afro man is a hit artist that made the song. Hey, uh, he made the song. Uh I was gonna clean my room until I got high. That's a major hit song. I don't remember it, but go ahead. Well, well, well, do your research, like he said. Everybody has to do their research, do your research. So they're wondering why this guy got 15 cars in his lot, got a high fence, is living good, don't work, you know, because he's before the internet. You have to remember this afro man's before the internet when that song came out. You know, a lot of us were still in college and high school when that song came out. So he's been living off of that, and and and and he's been living, living good, eating good. Look at him, you know. And they wanted to know the police been riding by, they want to know who's this guy that ain't working every day, that's smoking weed every day. They want to know who he is, this old man or whoever he is, he's somebody. They didn't do the research, so they thought he was selling drugs because he was smoking weed all the time. His song is I was gonna clean my room because I got high. So he was basically doing that, and he's he's selling off to a sunset. So wherever he's at, he's in a small town where they they broke in his house, they broke down, they put AK AR-15s in his face in front of his kids, broke down his window, broke down his gate, you know, and what he did, he bombed on them. And I he has every right to go at him personally because they didn't fix his gate, they did bust in. What if they did kill him? What if they did shoot Afro Man because they were scared of him, because they want to know how this guy that's not working is just chilling, got 10 cars in his yard, living good, you know, and dating a white woman.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:00

We want to know. Well, I thought he was clever, um, with his clap back at the end of the day. He was ever he was very clever. But the the important but go ahead. The most important. I think what's most important here is the justice system at the end of the day. Why is it that they're allowed to bring false accusations against citizens and then not be held accountable?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:39

Well, I can tell you what what what what happened. So the police went about going ahead and writing up a complaint. They went up and gave it to the judge, okay? Uh maybe a statement of cause saying, Hey, guess what? This guy has A, B, C, and D. The judge not knowing, and I'm not saying it's that same judge, the judge knowing, reads this, doesn't know it's false. It's going on the predicate of what these deputies have claimed is going on in that home. So it's time off on it. Okay. So that's not on that judge. That judge is only going by information it knows, okay. At that point in time, they go in there and they do what they have to do. I will tell you this the the criminal justice system did hold. It did. They did, they did not go ahead and award four million dollars to these seven deputies. So as we are pissed off that it even came to fruition in the first place, we have to take a sigh and a deep breath and say, hey, guess what? It did hold.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:43

Yeah, but again, you didn't have racist jury, a racist jury. Number two, you talked about the Brianna um uh Taylor case. And obviously, something you just said that striked me, they were really what what were they after her boyfriend? Was it okay? So again, something was written up falsely. So obviously, this goes on a lot, a lot. Where all the time officers are able to do that, and what I'm saying is, when are they gonna start being held accountable for making up false reports at the end of the day?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:32

Well, I will tell you this. This is the perverse, the perverse thought that you need to have on this. When it comes to the Afro case, Afro Man case, okay, when do they pay for this? They're paying right now. They just got embarrassed in court. Not only did they get embarrassed on national on the national stage, okay, he was able to make that money that he lost, yeah, and then some.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:57

And they stole his money, they stole his money too. Them officers stole his money.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:02

I agree.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:03

That's now if you're saying the whole staff should be fired.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:06

Uh I'm somebody should be fired. I agree that somebody should be fired. If I was chief or or or sheriff, somebody would have to be accounted for. Everybody's getting fired at the same time. All you did was you took a guy who made a hit in the back in the 1980s and made him relevant in the 20s. Exactly. This is the gift that keeps on giving, folks. Have no illusions, you know. Afro man not only won this case, but he won the game of life by doing this, and he has probably so many more people. If I if I was him, I'd be like, Thank you, motherfuckers. Thanks.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:46

Oh, yeah. At the end of the day, but but nobody wants an AR-15 in your face. No, no, don't get me wrong. I get it. You know, I'm saying people might be mute to it, and people might think that it's part of life, but having an AR-15 in your face is not a part of having any gun in my face. You see what I'm saying? Especially my kids right there. Hey, I want everybody to suffer. I want everybody. They deserve everything they got and more. If people are sending them letters, then the people you cancel don't cancel chili. Cancel them both leave. Well, chili ass is cancel. No, you cancel the book. No, chili is canceled, baby. Now, I just want to say cancel. I think a police officer is to protect and serve. I don't think a protect police officer is to bully and be Hercules in the street or go get tickets because of your wife was mad at you the day, or something happened that day, and now you want to take it out on the community. I don't agree. I don't agree with that. You know, I think that happens in every business. Okay. Now I'm about to say something. I I think the police need to be like the fire department and the ambulance. Now I do think the Hill Justice is gonna be the is gonna be against this, but this is what I feel I feel that they need to be at the fire department and the ambulance, they need to. Sit back, wait, and for somebody to be called. You don't see a fire department walking around looking for looking for a fire. You don't see an ambulance going around driving around looking for sickness. But you see the police in our neighborhoods. You see the police in our neighborhoods trailing our neighborhoods, riding around with their lights on, you know, looking for trouble. We don't know. Looking for somebody to leave wrong. I understand it, but they ain't riding in Sandy Springs like that. They're not riding in cognitive like that, but they're riding to Riverdale like that. They're riding in, they're riding in the city of Atlanta like that. No, the police need to sit back and wait, wait for that domestic violence call, wait for that old lady to call and say he's back selling drugs again, baby, in front of my house. And then that's when they jump down a little thing, like the fire department jumped down, and then they run up there, and then they go.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:48

So what happens when you have when you what happens if you have a crew of seven people that are on the corner, they're making 70, 80, 90, 000 a week off of heroin, and they got better weapons. And they got better and they got better attorneys than you do. And they're destroying our communities, by the way. Right. Who you gonna call? You see, there's but she called, she's like, baby, they outside in front of my house and and the many people don't do that because they're worried that that snitches will get stitches.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:18

But stay in the fire, but stay in the police department, lift your weights, play video games, and then get a little thing in the fire department, got there and shell slide down, get your fail, and no more.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:29

But you can't go ahead and arbitrarily say it, you can't swing it to the other side either. There's a medium there, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:36

And Don D, you know, in corporate America, there's the good old boys' club, it's the same everywhere. You have the good old boy club, good old boys club. I know right or wrong. I know right or wrong.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:48

I know morally correct and not, and I'm willing to die for if I'm not that's I'm willing to die for, but that's what everybody needs to be.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:55

But we need to be you need to be we would be living in the perfect world, but we would be living in a perfect world, and we would not be sitting here having this discussion or this debate right now. If that's the type of world, if everybody had the same morals, had the same standards, had the same beliefs, then we would not be sitting here right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:15

But cancel the police, cancel not the police, no, we can't cancel the police because we do need the police at the end of the day. Mr.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:24

Hill, let me just tell you what I want to end of the day because we need the police.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:30

I thank you. I don't mean to cut you off. Uh but I just what I want to tell Mr. Hill, and this is what I need to say, please. But bro, I I I want to appreciate you for your service, you know, and what you do for the community because you look like me, you know, and you're you're in our communities, and that's the way it needs to look like. We don't mean hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We need to police our own neighborhoods. We can't have a 22-year-old white boy that lived in Conyers and lived in Cummings coming down to Simpson Road, and and now everybody looks like that drug dealer that's making $50, $60,000. But what if they have a good we know everybody's not making $50, $60,000? What if they have a and they're terrorizing them kids, man? And that's what I'm talking about. That's why we need to police our own neighborhoods. Now, guess what, Mr. Jerome? Hold up, listen, listen. Now, Mr. Jerome Hill can talk to that 15-year-old boy that looks like his son and say, bro, listen, bro, you don't need to be doing this, bro. You're gonna die.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:29

So then you so you don't think we have bad apples? You don't think we have um black officers that are bad apples?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:37

I do think we have black because that's because they're tired. That's because that's because they're not you ain't making no sense. That's because I don't think but listen, I I think I think they need to police, we need to police our own neighborhoods, and what I mean, let's get good black officers to police our basically like Victor Hill was doing. You see what I'm saying in Riverdale. Now that he's not there, he's showing that basically everything is done, Justiceville, everything is wrong with the community. But when he was there, he was I used to see him all the time. I would see him at the little, the little everywhere. You know what I mean? He was in the community. I got locked up one time, and this is you know what I mean, but I got locked up one time, and I seen him in the jail walking through, and everybody turned and looked at the wall, and he was just in respect. I'm talking about the same guy that just killed somebody the other day. I'm being honest. The same guy that just killed somebody, killed three people when Victor Hill came. Oh shit, here you go. That's what that's the type of man that we need in our communities. You feel me? Somebody who morally right, somebody that got good character, and somebody that you don't fuck with. And well, I don't mean to say my language like that, but that's what we're doing to our black men. We fucking with them for being too good, for being too on point, for being too respected in the communities, for being too so let me say this to you.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:00

I went into a neighborhood to go see a client, and because I was sitting in the road, an Afro-American guy, a black male, got upset because I was waiting there minding my business and chased me with a gun. I'm not just a regular person. A black person, but all I'm saying to you is it doesn't matter when it comes to the skin color if they have morals, if they have uh if they have a good heart, if they're a good person. You're right.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:39

Because there are some good white cops out there, but they don't understand our mothers, though, they don't understand our fathers, they don't understand our grandmothers, they don't understand our community, they don't understand, yes, our brother sold drugs here two years ago, but I don't do it no more. But they look at us like we got more drugs in the white community than they do in the police them and turn the area, turn your lights on in their neighborhoods in Sandy Springs, in their neighborhoods and coming, keep your lights on all night and have a police light riding around all night and stopping everybody that moves that that that just neighborhood thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:15

But the crime is different in both of those areas. I will tell you that. And it gives you a case.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:19

Because we don't put this area the same way, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:21

Well, they don't, and there's some reasons for that. Um, but I will, you know, that's probably for another show. But just to leave you with some context, you know, 90% with uh according to the FBI statistics, 90% of the homicide rates are are are when it comes down to African Americans are being committed by other African Americans. Now you might say to yourself, what that that that's disgusting. It is, but let me hold up that 83% of white Americans kill other white Americans. It is it it boils down to wherever you are in your area. You are a product of your environment. You're going to victimize the environment that you're in. So we can go ahead and say, hey, guess what? We need all our whole force to go ahead and be the color of the community which they serve. I would tell you that that would go ahead and you see those numbers going on with the FBI statistics. Not saying that it necessarily correlates or translate to that, but you can go ahead and make an argument or try to see, hey, guess what? I've seen a lot of black uh officers do wrong to their own kind in their own neighborhoods. So I've seen that where I've seen a and conversely, and I will reverse this too. I have seen a lot of white officers not do anything because they were concerned about something and they're no longer with us. So and that you you can reverse that in the white neighborhoods, but but let me ask you being done in white neighborhoods and black neighborhoods. I I will tell you that. Unfortunately, the more violent crimes are being done in social economic deprived areas, unfortunately. And this is where you see the overpolicing part um being done. So I just want to leave you guys with that.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:12

No, I I I I believe in it, I understand it. You know what I mean? I understand gangs, I understand all that good stuff, I understand what's going on in our community, you know. But I think that, you know, just as black fathers and we need to be as community, we need to have more community outreaches. I think the police department, like I come in um a little small town that I went to school in called Griffin, because now they're they're having a community outreach with the fire department and the police, and they're having a softball game and they're racing the police in the middle of the street, you know. Um, and then I'm talking about these are the guys that you know would normally go to jail, but an officer also needs to understand when you put them handcuffs on somebody, you're ruining their life. For the for I don't care if it's uh I don't care if it's a disturbance, I don't care if it's a dui, I don't care what it is. When you put your handcuffs on somebody, you know in your mind that you're ruining these folks' life. And some of these police are having court on the street. And I don't know if you know if I know what I mean, court on the street is court on the street is when you don't make it to court, and some of these young men are not making it to court, and we're calling it homicide by uh suicide by officer. I heard that say it. This guy committed suicide by an officer because he knew that the officer was gonna shoot him, so he ran towards him.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:32

Right. Well, I will tell you this that I don't it don't make your concerns are are not are warranted. Um but I will tell you that that by and large, as we take a look at the totality of the circumstances and the statistics in itself, we will see that those numbers are not indicative uh or high, they're low, but they are sensationalized. So, of course, when one of those things happen, of course, it's gonna be all over the tabloids. And it should go ahead and serve. And I do believe that it should go ahead and yeah, it needs to be put out there like that. Random. But at the same time, is that our main, main problem when it comes to policing? Um, I I gander to say, no, actually, it's it's training and putting the right people in those places, whether it be black, white, or whatever. Um, that's where you go ahead and affect the greatest change in those areas. It's not once they get out into the street, because that is a petri dish of nonsense out there. You have to go ahead and make sure that the people that you're putting into those areas are above the board first. That's where we're failing.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:52

And I want to ask you a quick question before we end the show tonight. Are officers, when they first join the force, being asked questions like, Are you racist? And are they having to take lie detector tests?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:08

The answer to the first question, no. And it should be. Okay. The second question is yes, they are taking lie detector tests. Now, I will tell you that they are able to take a battery of tests on and also other um psychological tests that is supposed to bring out those biases out, okay. But with anything in life, you know, people could are good test takers. They can go ahead and take those tests, and it can show that they do not have um let's call these symptoms, if you will. Um, but that and herein lies the other part of that situation, too, is that we should we rely on just those tests alone? And and the answer is probably not. We we we need to go ahead and do a little bit more than what we're doing. We probably have to go ahead and train these officers, maybe up to a year, year and a half, maybe two years. Remember, six months is not a long time to teach officers just law alone. That's not enough time. But do they become law? You're trying to go ahead and teach them self-defense, you're trying to teach them all the nuances of the job in that in that pristine bubble inside of the police academy. It's just it just it doesn't serve its purpose like the way it's supposed to. We got to reimagine how we train our law enforcement moving forward.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:35

But do they become corrupt once they once they join the force?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:40

I mean, you what what I think corrupts them is power. Um, and that's how I see that. But um, but that's once again, I think that if you're already predisposed like that, then that's what you're gonna be. It's almost like Oprah Winfrey once said that, oh, now that she has money, it it you know, it really hasn't changed uh how she is, it changed everybody else. No, money will change you if you get a whole bunch of it. It'll change. Power does the same thing too. And if you're already predisposed and having a gentle way about yourself or gentle demeanor, then you're gonna probably go ahead and be the same way. If you already predispose to having ill will intentions, you're probably gonna you're gonna do that out there. That's just the way it is.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:31

I I think I think all police officers need these physical, I mean uh psychological evaluations every Friday.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:38

Every Friday, you're not wrong. I think that this had needs to be more than what there is, you get a merit taken from you.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:45

Like, no, I'm being honest, like I agree, you know, because you tell this you're dealing with trauma every day. I agree with you. You're dealing with yes, even when you go see kids crying because they mama and dad is arguing, even when you go see somebody laying in the street, you're dealing with trauma every day. You should be absolutely you should really be evaluated. You can't you can't be a regular person. Now, can we give you more money? Of course. I think we need to give our now the people that are able to do this and pass these tests. Like you said, people pass well, but now take them through the most tests and give them 200,000, give every police officer 150, 200,000 a year. Now, now you can fire them for being a hater or going to bus iFroman and doing that. Now you can do now. Guess what? Now you get people that want to police their own neighborhood because they can make 150 to 200,000 a year going around shooting basketball with with a kid. Hey, what's up, man? You all right? Stay up, come let me see the basketball. Boom! You know what I mean? And then you like oh, that police officer so Don Dom. We should look at a police officer's like superman, not so Don D.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:54

That's great, but there's another way to go, in addition to what you're saying.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:59

Everybody's not gangsters, everybody's not drug dealers, everybody's not trying to kill somebody. Everybody, look, we've been to the point that now we're locking people up for tickets, we're locking people up for arguing with a wife and husband, we're arguing people up for doing certain things. I'm talking about for for long periods of times. We're locking people up for probation violations because uh they got pulled over because they got pulled over for whatever reason. Now it's a probe uh we have a messed up probation officer. Now you get locked up. Now people are getting locked up for the most silliest things, lock them up for violent crimes, yes, lock the gangbangers up, yes, but the normal people let them go and protect and serve them. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:42

There's you know, I think there's context to each and every one of those things, but I will tell you this if you want to go ahead and change law enforcement 100%, then what you need to do is have them carry insurance. And what I mean by that is this just like real estate agents, when they have ENO, errors and emissions, okay, so do police officers. They need to have that too. And what that means is, and guess what? Every time you get a complaint about you, guess what? Your insurance now, the police goes up. You go in and get convicted of something of lying in court or anything like that. Guess what? They uninsure you, you can no longer be a police officer, and then you move to another county.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:28

You're moving to another county. I know obviously they kill somebody.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:31

That's what I'm just saying, guy.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:33

Yeah, he just, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:34

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, guy. Yeah, this is not just for regional, I'm talking about this being natural, national. So every time you do something that is grimy or you have too many demerits, you cannot believe be a police officer no more. That will change the whole entire landscape of law enforcement like that. That's how you do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:57

So, who's in charge of making that change?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:59

It would be Congress.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:03

You gotta go to the right people in Congress.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:07

You gotta go ahead and get those individuals. And when we have a broken system right now, Congress. This is what becomes so frustrating about this.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:15

Yes, absolutely. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. So, real quick, before we go, I know you gotta go. I know you gotta I know you're about to shut it out, but I I would just just suggest a rule change, and I want to take this to Congress and the law. I think an officer, when an officer locks somebody up or an officer puts handcuffs on somebody, I don't feel that that officer be should be the one to transport the the person to jail. I think there should be another officer called that don't have a dog in a fight that didn't put the charges on the people, that be the person, take the person and escort that person to jail. Because what I'm seeing is a lot of people are getting extra charges after whatever they have with that officer because of how that officer feels. So I feel like, yes, an officer can lock somebody up for sure, but another officer from the police office has to come and pick that person up and transport that person.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:10

Yeah, I think that once again you're dealing with small-time um places where you live in big cities, uh, a wagon comes, they come get them.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:18

I feel like Atlanta is the most safest place for a black man um in the world. And in Georgia, I mean in the United States. Okay, any no, not in the world, but in the United States. And let me tell you why. Because if you go 30 minutes north, east, west, south, you're back in Georgia, where where where there's not a black judge, where there's not a black lawyer, where there's not black officers, where you're in Georgia, where they'll hang you for 15 years for having an ounce of marijuana. Like they'll put you in jail for that, you know. Um, so that's why I feel like Atlanta, in a lot of Atlanta, in Atlanta, we allow black men and black people to live good, to have things. We have black mayors, black judges, black congressmen, black everything. So that's why I love Atlanta for black men. So that's what I wanted to say. What about black women? I love it for black women too. Black women need to be anywhere black men because because uh because the man is the head, but a woman is always the black man's helper. You see what I'm saying? Helper, yes, for sure. We need you to help us for sure. Yes, you expect us to go out. Now, let me ask you a question if a big man running there right now in that room where you at, you're gonna want your husband to help you, ain't you? There's Smith and Wesson.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:34

All right, well, see, you don't do it by yourself. Your husband will come in there and take care of everything. Well, he's gonna protect me, but at the end of the day, what you're saying is male chauvinistic. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Absolutely. To be his helper, we no, we are equal.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:53

That's what God says. This is what God says. This ain't what I say, this is what God says. Man is it and a woman is his helper, and y'all could do that's why Brock and Michelle are so great because she's understanding.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:05

Yes, but Michelle ain't gonna agree with that shit. You just said yeah, right. She will, I guarantee she will. You go now, you go do your research and read her book.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:15

I'm just telling you, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:18

But yes, guys, it's been a great show tonight, Jerome. Thank you for joining us. Um, we thank you for enlightening us, enlightening us um on this Afro-man situation and and even pertaining to the justice system overall. So, guys, please, please um go like and subscribe to Hill of Justice.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:44

Hill of Justice.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:46

Yes, and Jerome let the people know where they can find you on all platforms.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:51

Obviously, you can go ahead and find us on YouTube. Um, and you also could go ahead and find us at every stream, major streaming platform that's Apple uh podcast. Uh, you can go ahead and iHeart Radio, so on and so forth. Um, we're all over the spectrum. So please, when you get a chance, go ahead and like, check out our show, and debate with us. We love that, and we we need that type of stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:14

Let me come on to the debate with you, man. Sure. I'm on your side, though. I wouldn't let you know I'm on your side, man. Keep doing what you're doing, man. Um, you know, thank you, man. I want you look just like me, man. So I want you to succeed, bro, in every way, form, or fashion, man. And and man, blessings to you, brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:29

Thank you, and thank you guys for joining us tonight on The Truth Ain't in Us. We will be back next week, same time, different topics.