Benavidez vs Zurdo 🔥 Inoue vs Nakatani RECAP! Jamel Herring Joins 🥊 LIVE

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🥊 David Benavidez vs Zurdo Ramirez FULL CARD RECAP
🥊 Naoya Inoue vs Junto Nakatani reaction from Japan 🇯🇵🔥

💥 PLUS SPECIAL GUEST: Jamel Herring

🏆 Former WBO Junior Lightweight World Champion (2019–2021)  
🇺🇸 U.S. Marine Corps veteran with TWO tours in Iraq  
🥇 Olympian (2012 Team USA) & elite amateur career (81-15 record)  
🔥 TKO win over Carl Frampton in a world title defense  
👊 Now competing in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship

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Transcript

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You're watching the last stand with Brian Custer.

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That's right. It is the last stand. I'm Brian Custer, and we are live as we always do here every month as we break down a number of big time fights. And it was a great fight weekend. We had a couple of monsters who showed why they're the best in the game. We got a big fight that's going to be coming down in July. It's the return of Errol Spence Jr. We got to get into all of that and a whole lot more. We certainly appreciate all of you. Make sure you subscribe to the channel. And you know what? We got a new episode that just dropped because this coming Saturday, May 9th, in Atlanta, a world title fight from the featherweight division is going down. As Angela Leo will be making the second title defense of his title, taking on Rais Alem, one of the top contenders. This is going to be a phenomenal fight. Both of these fighters with just one loss. This is going to be really, really good. Comes your way May 9th. New episode with both fighters right now on the last stand. So make sure you peep that out as well. Hey, listen, you see, there's their Cash App. We have Venmo last Stand Sports. Make sure you support the show as well. So we can continue to bring you great content like this. And you know, we want to start taking the show on the road as well. So we always appreciate your support. Uh anything that you can give, uh, make sure you do that. And you know what? Hey, look, when you give and you you want some of the gear, we got new got merch too. You got last stand shirts here, athletic gear shirts, and also we got the hoodies at the last stand. So uh, you want some of those? Make sure you support the show. We got a lot to get into. We got special guests. How about former world champion Jamel Herring is gonna join the show at the 11 o'clock hour and basically about an hour at the top of the hour? He's gonna join us. He's now into bare knuckle boxing, uh fighting now. And matter of fact, he's fighting May 22nd for a title there. He's trying to become uh two-time world champion in different sports. One in boxing, one in bare knuckle fighting. Uh, we're gonna talk to Jamel uh about why he's now into bare knuckle. Talk to him about the fight game, what he sees, uh, what he saw out of this weekend. Um, so we'll get into that with him. And I'm working on a special guest for y'all in about 30 minutes, and I'm hoping that he joins the show as well. Very, very special guest who had himself a really big weekend as well. It was a big weekend for the monsters. Uh, anyway, look fantastic. And David Benavidez, I think, probably stole the weekend with his performance. And now, do you know he's the first man now? The first man in the sport of boxing to win titles at 168, 175, and then goes up and now unified champion at cruiserweight. He's already champion at 175, remember. Now unified champ at cruiserweight. What he did to Gilberto Ramirez was just phenomenal. We're gonna get into all of that. And as always, when you talk about the last stand, let me talk about give bring on the people. They're the backbone of the show. They're the ones who are really the stars of the show. Alex Linez and of course Colin Custer. Uh fellas, come on, we got to talk about what a weekend it was. Hey, by the way, big weekend. Yo, Colin is uh a college graduate now, Alex. My man, the college graduate, high point university stand-up. Let's go. How's it feel now to be a grad?

SPEAKER_02 3:52

It feels great. It feels great. You know, like a weight lifted off my shoulders. Now I can uh enjoy the real world. Be a real man.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

Hey, hey, Alex, now you can start paying some of these bills.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Hey man, these bills, man.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Let me tell you something. The real world is is you're gonna think it's right.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

You're gonna be wanting to go back to high point. You're gonna be wanting to go back to high point because I'm still waiting for him to take pops out for a dinner. Like, yeah, don't worry about pops.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

I got you, I got you.

SPEAKER_03 4:21

Don't worry about it. I I got you, I got you. Congrats, man, Colin. That's a big achievement, bro.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

Man, look, there's nothing like it, man. When you see your son walk across that stage, and uh, we were excited for him, man. And you get flash, you get emotional because you you get flashbacks of like six and five-year-old Colin, and now you're looking at him like, oh my god, so he's a young man, he's a young man. Absolutely. Congratulations, son. I'm proud of you. I love it. Thank you, thank you. Okay, so let's get into what happened, man, this weekend because we had cinco de mayo. How about David Benavidez taking over Cinco de Mayo there in Vegas? And I mean, he put on serious man, bruh. That was nice, but you know, the monst the other monster, he he he obviously he had he took front and center. Uh, it was the biggest fight in Japanese history. A pound for pound. You had two guys basically on the pound for pound list, both undefeated. I think, I think combined they had like 51 knockouts uh and nayoya uh inue and uh Juno Nakatani. That was that was that was that was high level chess boxing, and you can tell I just watching the fight, I Nakatani waited too late. I wait, I shouldn't say, but I just think he he it wasn't until like the seventh round where he said, you know what, I just gotta go for it. Yeah, I I I I guess just gotta start start throwing it to this guy because I think early on he found where he was trying to keep the range and trying to keep inuway right there at the end of his jab. Inu was getting in and getting out too quick and get right back out. And I think that frustrated him. And it took him about a good six rounds before he just said, you know what, I gotta go for broke now.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Yeah, like what you said in the first five rounds, it was more like it was more fencing, like he'd throw a jab and bounce out, throw a jab, but anyway would get inside with that that electric jab he's got. That speed is just too much.

SPEAKER_03 6:22

Speed is something, man.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

And at a certain point, you gotta take you gotta take your risk.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

You got to, you gotta take your risk. You you got uh Alex, you you know how that is, man. When you you you fighting one of them cats and he's trying to get on the inside of you, and yeah, you like damn man, if I throw it.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

It's like it's like I'm I'm gonna add to what you guys just said, man. It's it's um it's the speed, right? That allows him to get in and out like that. I think Nikatani didn't make it easy for him, though, because you know, and me and Colin were uh kind of laughing about this yesterday on the pre-production uh chat. We were talking about it, and it was like my man had a horse, like he was riding a horse. Yeah, his stance was so wide, he was trying to create so much distance with that front foot and his lead hand that Nakatani really had to work to get in there.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

And you can see the foot position too. You can see it.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

The the the it was really obvious to me that that he was really trying to create distance and make uh new it work to get in. Uh, one thing that it is that I do uh um you know that I always look at when guys are going in and out too much is like if you're gonna go in, stay in. You know what I mean? Because this your work is so much harder to get back in. So in and out, in and out. And uh to me, and we're the the power puncher of the two. Not to say like a tiny ain't got some steam on his, but right it knew he's the one with the power punching. But um, what do you think happened? I mean, was it strategy? You know, him going into the second half of the round that he turned it up a little bit more. Was it something maybe he figured out?

SPEAKER_02 7:49

I think just more comfortability. Like he was more he was more comfortable. Like, you know what? This guy's not he's not hit me with anything that's gonna knock me out, but he's still putting it together. And he's like, you know, I I still gotta still gotta do my thing, you know. This is a big fight, you know, this is the biggest fight of your life. You gotta go go for broke, man.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

Uh yeah, I think and maybe I think at the beginning, I don't know if he knew that anyway was that fast. Yeah, and and I think at the beginning, I think he was kind of gun shy because he knew that when I would throw something, boom, I got something back. And it's like, uh, I'm I'm a little gun shy here, so I'm gonna see if I can try to keep this guy out, but then he kept getting in. Yeah, and then I like you said, it was like maybe round six, it wasn't until about seven, where he just you could just see he just said, Okay, boom, I'm just I'm just yeah, we're gonna exchange. I'm just gonna start. I'm you know what?

SPEAKER_02 8:38

I'm just gonna go for it. The one thing is he used his range really well, though. Like he used that long, that long jab very well in the beginning of the fight, had a little bit of a range finder, and then I feel like it was, yeah, I feel like he got a little more comfortable, yeah, and was like, you know what, uh, this guy's not he's not gonna knock me out, but he's still landing. But I'm I'm gonna get my licks in too.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

So do you realize, guys, anyway? Uh if I'm not mistaken, that was his eighth title defense, his seventh as an undisputed champion. That's crazy. Got to get his props. Do you think that's pound profile number one?

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Yeah, Colin, you just said it right there. He is he now? Yeah, is he is he pound for pound number one? He was before this fight to me. Because I always get these uh like you know, these this feedback, you know, from the from the boxing pundits, right? That yeah, you know, it's always somebody else that's in the bigger uh weight classes. I think that the lower weight classes, you know, uh don't get enough shine sometimes, like the the higher weight classes. And I think that's part of like uh uh uh you know the the the shadow blanket that's over in Nuia sometimes, man. I feel like he doesn't get that credit that he truly deserves at times. He should be ahead of some of these guys on the pound for pound list. But if he's if he's definitely one on number one on there now, then it's well deserved, man.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

People talk about the resume, yeah. The resume, but you can't really he's so dominant that it's like you know, I'm I'm gonna say this now, but if he adds a Bam Rodriguez, are we talking about like top five all time?

SPEAKER_03 10:12

Like, how about this? Four division champ, he's the undisputed champion right now at 122. He's still the undisputed champion at 118. So he's not disputing right now in two weight divisions, and as you just talked about, bam is supposed to be fight fighting Vargas here this summer, and then they talked about later this year is it you is it gonna be Inuit and Bam Rodriguez here in the states?

SPEAKER_02 10:41

That would be that would be fire.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

That's the movie.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

One of the greatest fights of this generation, in my opinion. I said that's the movie to see.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

That's the fight to see, man.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

That will be a movie.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

What did you guys think about this whole uh 5 a.m. uh uh what time was this fight? Uh broadcast like a 4 a.m. fight?

SPEAKER_03 11:00

Yeah, that was when the car jumped off, but they walked, it was about eight in the morning. It was it they were fighting. They were walking while I was walking. They were walking while he was walking. His his graduation was Saturday at nine in the morning, and me and his brother, uh, my other's youngest son, we sitting there like in their chairs like this.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Bro, that was me.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

Yes, Colin! Go, Colin.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Bro, while that commencement speech, I had my phone up. The chick next to me was like, Yeah, what the hell is this dude doing? I'm sitting there watching shit while the graduation. I'm like, bro, this is more important than that. I don't give a damn about that commencement speech, bro.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Yeah, that's a boxing, that's a real boxing feature.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

I don't give a damn about that commencement speech. I'm here to watch some some high-level boxing.

SPEAKER_04 11:47

Sudden was like, yo, just give me the give me the degree. Give me the real degree.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Give me the degree and let's get to the degree. Let's get the degree and then get back to the teacher. Yeah, what'd y'all think about the scorecards? Y'all thought it was fair? I think it was fair.

SPEAKER_02 11:59

I mean, I thought it was, I thought, you know, I you never know with those, but I thought anyway definitely won. Yep. But Nakatani had his, he had his, he has, he had a couple good late rounds. So yeah, I could see that. I could see them giving it a little bit closer than what people might have thought to the naked eye, but like like uh what Bradman was talking about. Sometimes they give some uh for activity, sometimes they give it for I don't know, punches landed. So you you never know with the judges like that, but I thought it was pretty fair in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Two of them was 116, 112, and then the other one was 115, 113. That's right. Yeah, I thought it was a good, I thought it was a close fight. Yeah, it was look, man. He he he's without question, if not number one, two, whatever, however you want to put it. The dude, he's a monster. He's a dog.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

You think he made a statement though? You think he made a statement? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

Anytime you beat a top 10 pound for pound fighter, in whatever way, yes, yeah, whatever way you make a statement.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

Man, that and that place was loud, 55,000 packed up. Yeah, yeah. That hey, give it give him his pro. I would love to see him here. And yeah, that he fought here, didn't he?

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Against Cardenas, or I don't I don't think so. I I think that was in Vegas. Was it? I don't think so. You remember when he got knocked down? Uh let's see. Let's see. I think it was uh what it was a Cardenas that dude we fought. Yeah, let's see. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that was in Vegas.

SPEAKER_05 13:30

And he was fight in the States.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

I gotcha, I gotcha, I gotcha. Yeah, we had we he we had him in uh with Ramon Cardenas and at the team.

SPEAKER_05 13:41

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, T MO was a great fight.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

That was T M in the eighth round, yeah. But he he got dropped early, right? He he responded really well.

SPEAKER_03 13:51

Oh, he responded with that like a madman. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm I'm going, I'm I'm getting in that ass. Yeah, he got popped.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Yeah, he popped up like pew.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Yes, he like rolled over, he was like, Oh shit, like, oh shit. Yeah, and then gets up and just like puts a belt, man. That was a great they were throwing it, they were like in the pocket, no, no hugging, they just throw it.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

Let me tell you something. I'm I'm I'm probably one of the best biggest bam Rodriguez supporters and fans. I I would I can't I'm I'm feigning to see him fight against Enue.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

That's a dangerous thing. Eddie's his promoter, Eddie, right?

SPEAKER_03 14:27

Yes, he's yeah, can he make that happen? He he reached out with match room, yes.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

Yeah, Eddie can make that happen. Oh my god, that would be phenomenal, man. Eddie, Eddie got Zayaz in uh boots. So, I mean, what else what what can he not make?

SPEAKER_03 14:39

Yes, yes, uh, so give major major props to Enue. Uh, he looked fantastic in that fight. Uh I posed you a question.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Does anyway have the best jab in boxing? He's got one of them. I think he has the best jab. He's got one of them. I think he it's so quick and it's such a weapon, like he can do whatever he wants.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

I will say this. When when he was on his game, and when he when he's right, I will say Jamal Charlo had the best jab in boxing. When and again, that's why I preface it. Why when when he was when he was active and when he was on his game, yeah, Jamal Char Jamal Charlo used to drop people with his jab.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Yeah, the power jab. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

You know, I'm not saying he's not one of the best jabbers, Colin. I'm just saying this a there's a lot of killers right now.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

I think he got the best, man.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

He's got a lot of killers out there.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

To neutralize back, man, range so well against a top-tier fighter like that off a jab. Because he's a shorter, shorter guy, you know, Nakatani's way bigger, and he's just like popping it, popping them, popping him. Like he looked like the bigger fighter just from the way his jab was.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

And his and this, and this is you know what, but it it's it's his feet too. You know, his feet that that as well, yeah. The way the way he, because you know, you got the for a good job.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

He might remind me of a little Manny Pacquiao, the way he darts in and out.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

Exactly. You know, Manny Cat Pacquiao had those fast feet, yeah. And um, you know, the way he darts in and out, it you know, you got different types of jabs, right? His step in jab is probably one of the best jabs. Uh is is probably the best jab. His step-in jab, right? Uh but you got some guys that are just they got more range on the jab without having to step in. Yeah, and um we you know what that'll be a great, great thing to look into, bro. I gotta start seeing who who's got the best jab in boxing. Let's ask, let's ask the uh uh the listeners now. You can tune in on the live chat. Yeah, we're talking Inui versus Nakatani results. Do you agree with Colin in the New Year have the best?

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Let's make let's do a poll.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Let's ask a poll. Let's do it. All right, let's let's let's hit a poll right now and let's see what what what what what the uh listeners got to say if you could create that if you could create that Alex, that'd be great. Absolutely, bro. I like that.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

We got a question here, or not a question. He says Benavidez is the face of boxing. Are you are you amongst yourselves? Hey, look, I was gonna mention him.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

I was gonna mention him. Hey, look, he he got a good jab too.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Yeah, he let me tell you something. He got everything. I'm glazing, but he got everything.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

I like he said, I'm glazing. Uh listen, there's a lot of great jabbers, man. There's a lot of great jabbers out there. Uh inuway's got a really good one. Charlo's always had a uh a really good jab. But um, but oh bud is phenomenal. Hey, bud was at the inuway fight. How about that? He's at every fight, but is every big fight. Bud even said he and we we we gotta talk about this. How about this this weekend? We would we learned the it's been finalized the return of Errol Spence Jr. up to the ring, Tim Zoo. Something we had Tim Zoo on. We talked to Tim Zoo about it. Now we know it's going down July 25th over in Australia. You remember who told y'all first that it was going down in Australia? And Tim Zoo was like, Hey, I don't know if it's I'm like, Tim, I know. I I already got the word, I know it was gonna go down in Australia.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

Checking the source, checking the source.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

So uh the truth is back. Uh Tim Zoo, July 25th. Um, PBC, uh, pay-per-view. That's gonna be very, very interesting. We gotta we gotta jump into that. Uh that would that would that's gonna be some some um some stuff that was obviously came off the heels of what happened in Las Vegas and David Benavidez, because you talked about Benavidez, takes over Cinco de Mayo. Can he can he take over Cinco de Mayo? I can I can say David Benavidez can honestly say yes. I can be the the face of Cinco de Mayo and and do it and uh do it for a long time. Hey, Canelo was there. He didn't stay one day, he didn't stay the whole time for age.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

Canelo.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

He peached out before the main event. He was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm I'm coming, I'm gonna support Jaime Mungia, who's been training with uh with my guy. And uh after Jaime Mungia got that victory, he was like, Yeah, okay, I'm out gonna lie, man. That's that that was kind of weak, man. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't weak. And and I think that's why David called him out too afterwards. But I would I would tell you this if I'm David, I I think you probably gotta accept that trainer sale.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

It's it's it was gone two years ago. I'm gonna be honest.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

First of all, you know, you know, Canelo's gonna say, even if we're gonna fight, I I'm only gonna fight you at 168. I don't want to see, I don't want to see a weight drain David Benavidez at 168. No, I don't want to see that, man. I don't want to see that. He ain't gonna be as he ain't gonna be as strong, um, quick, and there it just it the the punch reflex won't be there, especially after he didn't he didn't campaign at 175, too.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

That's his weight class in my mind.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

He's at 190.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Uh he barely made 200, right? Right, he's at 196.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

I think he came in 196. It's probably his best just because of the speed ass smashing sordos weights, man.

SPEAKER_03 20:25

People were talking about man, that's 20 25 pounds. Uh does does David Benavidez does he have a 100%? Does he have a 10 for cruiser weight? Because them dudes are massive. Does he does he power? Does his power carry to cruiserweight? It's one thing to throw all those combinations and smash guys at 168 and 175 because you a big guy. But what about when you get the 200?

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Man, well, let's talk about the fight then, BC. Like, like what happened?

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Like, what happened? What did we just see? From your eyes, what'd you see from Benavidez and what did you not see from Zerdo?

SPEAKER_03 21:00

I saw, I saw, um I I was surprised that Zerdo, I think at the beginning, he he just wanted to take a seat. It was like a I want to see what David's got, yeah, type approach to it. I I like that David stepped to him right from jump, from the bell ring. It was like, I'm dictating this, I'ma show you I'm the cruiserweight, yeah, and I belong here. It was uh you almost gotta I almost was watching it's like has Zerdo been fighting that cruiserweight? Is he really the unified champ at this division? The way Benavides started, because you remember in the first round, Benavides hit him with the brrrrr. I said, God damn hit him with the brrrrrr. God bless God blessing the hit him with the porky Medina. You know what I mean? Porky man.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

Hitting him with the porky, bro.

SPEAKER_03 21:58

Every time we think of Porky Medina, all we

SPEAKER_01 22:00

think of that 25 punch combination that David hit him with pieced him up with and knocked him out with hit him with the brr he was bobble he was bobbleheading that dude right oh my god knocking that head back bro and i was a little now when when ramirez would hit him i saw david go like this and i was like damn and he kept coming forward and i was like okay that that answered that question right there if he can take it yeah if he can take it and he i mean you get he dropped him in the fourth yeah he hit him in that foot when he hit him in and you saw his eye down his eye was like ah i thought he broke his face i ain't gonna lie and i get i'll i'll give him i'll give him props people forget he had his best round in the fifth after getting dropped he came back and it was like throw throwing now obviously it was out of a sense of desperation because he probably knew his eye was his eye was cooked and and so he was like okay I'm just gonna throw and it had his best and I think maybe David maybe took a maybe a little uh round off or whatever but man that sixth round he is like yeah let me go ahead and end this with the quickness yeah let me I mean look man uh I was one of those guys that I was at Montro the whole time I got I know I know he's gonna win but uh did you guys really expect you know Surdo to stay in there the way he did I know his corner kept screaming like stop getting into this fight right you get being dragged in by the crowd yeah right yeah you know I he knew he had he didn't have the speed advantage what do you guys think about his game plan and how he just sat in there could he have done something uh better than than than what we saw there yeah I I think I think first of all he could have gave he could have gave some kind of movement you know the one thing that he's been he's been great the reason why he's he's uh freaking uh unified champ was the guys that he did fight there he kind of gave him a little bit of movement pop bop bop he was turn around spin him pop pop pop I didn't see none of that against Benavidez he stood like in front of Benavidez like yeah come on punching back like he's just literally just like I'm here like I'm in this one spot and we're gonna throw and it you're never winning that now maybe maybe he maybe he went back to autumn what 200 yeah rounds that they sparred when they were like you you you kind of forget it was what almost nine ten years ago Benavidez was paid three thousand dollars the spar for Zordo when he first became champion remember when he he first beat a uh Abraham Arthur Arthur Abraham Benavidez a little 19 year old at that time was the guy they paid three thousand dollars basically the spar for him and get him ready for that and then he becomes a world champion and maybe he thought man I was beating up on this little dude man and and you know maybe maybe he just thought about that because people used to say oh boy they just traded back in the day it was like a pay-per-view fight because no one took a step back and it was just you know nonstop action maybe he just thought like yeah it's been a while but we spar me maybe what happened within those 200 rounds was just you know was just what we we we need to call it what it is right it was sparring yeah it wasn't a real fight right it was sparring David Benavidez was a younger fighter you know what I mean he's developed into a totally different fighter in the sense that he has more experience more grit more uh uh confidence now he said it at the press conference you know but back then I you know I was dreaming to be this champion I was I was dreaming that I could be now I know I can be yeah so you know how much can you take away from sparring you could take some right you know when you're in there with guys that that that that you can do 200 rounds you get to know them a little bit yep if not a lot right but it's not the same as a fight you know you hold back and sparring you're working with your with your you're working on stuff like specific things like you're not trying to take this big hat off yeah yeah you're not going for the kill but surdo we got to give him a little bit of credit right because when he started to do things right he actually did them right yeah and he was able to use his jab use uh uh uh uh some some of his punch combination to try to disrupt some of Benavidez's uh combination punches which I believe Benavides bro has some of the best combos in the game overall this kid is freaking phenomenal I feel like he has the best hey man that but them body shots when he be like bop bop wah wah he go to yo I was like man I can hear them through I can hear I heard them body shots from Vegas good lord how it is with with with Benavidez man he's and I love this about him right because you know uh you know you know when you're in the ring you gotta have malintent you gotta want to hurt somebody yeah right you gotta be Tysonesque you know what I mean you gotta go in there and have the bad intentions and that's what Benavidez has every time he hits you he has the speed advantage yep but you got to give him a little more credit than that he's he has the bad intentions behind that speed what am I talking about every time he scrapes a guard boom bad speed when he's on the inside you see his vision bro he has good vision to go ahead and place punches when the time calls for it and he's able to do it fast and furious yeah bad intentions every shot and that's what gets these guys battered up they they they you know sudo kind of fell into that doom doom doom doom doom that no this kid is not his guy like you say it's so fast and so so full of bad intentions that these guys get overwhelmed he doesn't get comfortable with the normal one two three one two three no he ended it the fighter that it didn't really work on was David Morel David Morrell stood in there and he he traded with him and they he landed some really he dropped him yeah I don't know if it it looked more like a trip ish to me but they count as a knockdown but I feel like that was his toughest fight and that's what I think makes him I think that's that would make David so much better is you know I am I'm not indestructible but I know what I need to work on and he's worked on it he's looked amazing you know well it wasn't wasn't too long ago that the one thing that people used to say was but yo he got to work on his defense broker is terrible you know that and you might remember he brought in Roy Jones and was working with Roy Jones for a little bit for one of those camps and and got his footwork together I think defensively he's a lot better and because people used to say well his David Benavidez is best his best defense is his offense. Yeah Colin let's let's bring that up that that that MMA moment since uh one of one of the one of the uh listeners on the chat and I'm gonna go ahead and uh uh show some love because he did bring up a good point uh it was the elbow what did you think about that you know he was already compromised before the elbow and the elbow it looked like it hit him straight in the the front of the face he's holding the side of his face so it's like he was already compromised before that so I don't think the elbow is that big of a deal and that's what happens when you're in fighting on the inside like that it's it's it's not like unnormal to get hit with a headbutt or an elbow or something like it wasn't intentional come on we know my man's my man said I could see one elbow he said but he's using them uh forearms too a lot of elbows and forearms he leaned punches Zerdo leaned into it now let's let's not act like he didn't you know what I thought it was though for real Colin like you know he was he was throwing these fast punches I mean you're fighting right it's a fight he's coming across like that no this is what he did this is what he did bro look what he did when he threw the left yeah Surdo was gonna throw something so he just kind of went ah and and even hit him with that back elbow bro it was a reaction thing it wasn't like he was really yeah it was definitely not intentional let me just tell you this as a second second Don in Taekwondo we always learn here and as soon as you see something coming I'm here and ha man bc saying bc giving it the okay taekwondo hey hey we always learn what sport are we watching though what sport are we watching though what are we more powerful than these what are we what are we teaching though more effective than these it's a fight so when we in the streets and it's a fight in the streets what are we he said they they were fighting at the cantina and Tijuana amen yo yo nah man it was a hell of a fight yo David was showing off the whole arsenal there he did he he showed off the whole arsenal he got the elbows the forearm he got the hands he got the feet he got it all keeping it G though man um what do you think is what what what what what what is the feeling with with Canelo Alvarez bro because honestly man like I actually thought you know Cinco de Mayo Elmontro just you know he it's his day right I'm thinking like you finally gonna give him some credit you know what I'm saying but but but he didn't stay like what what what what do you guys feel about that like is that hate and and we can and we could be honest I mean to the listeners everybody on the chat let us know what do you guys think about that Carnelo you know peeling off right after the Mungia fight I think what do you think that is for me I think you know the the narrative always with David is what he's a fake Mexican like is is is that's that's what people say like oh he's not a real Mexican what is it pocho he's a pocho yeah something like that but that's what Gilbert uh uh Zerto was trying to say in in this fight yeah he got his ass kicked by a pocho tell you a pocho yeah and David's whole frame is like it would be the biggest fight in Mexican boxing but Canelo is like I don't want to take that risk but and he he says oh he doesn't talk nice he's he's always shit on me and all that shit but that doesn't mean anything like I think Canelo knows how big of a threat Benavidez is to his legacy because Benavidez wants to be the greatest Mexican fighter of all time so and Canelo's what what top three Mexican fighter of all time so he's like this dude's a fake Mexican he's always shit on me and wants to beat me and I'm the pinnacle for him I'm not gonna give him that fight I'd rather do my own thing and Canelo's always always about the money so well teach teach made a good point.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

I mean we we we heard this we knew this you know but Canelo was getting booed yeah yeah he was definitely getting booed because he was getting booed because again you know he's gonna fight in Billy which is going to go down in September and you know people are like and Billy come on bro you know why is that but you you got here's here's the thing this is this is this is the fight business this is it's a business and if you're Canelo you're you're saying to yourself you know what after all that I've put into this sport the blood sweating I I should I should be everybody wants to aspire to be like Floyd and and when I say not money and all that I I'm talking about I sh I have the right to pick who and when I want to fight whomever hey get the fuck out of here because I'm gonna fuck you out right now motherfucker yes so so he he looked at he looked at Demetrius but he looked at boo boo like this guy's not even worth it who is he fought yeah everyone says he's this that who is he fought it it's not and it's not gonna sell it's not gonna be worth it financially now would it be worth it financially against David absolutely it would be gigantic but Canelo also looks at it like yo the risk I I thought I thought I could I could get Crawford in here because Crawford is a smaller guy and I could get in here and bully this cat because everybody thought oh well he's gonna be coming up so much weight he ain't gonna be as fast well it's a different story look what happened you look what happened if Crawford came in as the bully so now he's looking at he looking at he's looking at uh David like man even if we fight at 168 this dude probably gonna come into the ring at about 190 yeah yeah man I ain't and the way this dude throws he younger ain't no way man so check it check it I'm against these hydration clause but do you give Benavides the fight with a hydration clause then and if I'm David I wouldn't take it I wouldn't take it i i mean he but he he's been he's still asking for the fight you don't think he'll take it yeah i think you know i i i mean yeah obviously he who wouldn't want that money because that money would be it'd be spread astronomical but man no not when I think he uh canelo's on his way out so it's like I'm I'm ready I'm already Benavidez doesn't need a Canelo on his resume now I feel like he can go move on and fight b bull and it'd be bigger for him long term yeah I'd give him more credit for beating bull right now than I would for Canelo like he mentioned he mentioned opataya Benavidez bro that would be a good fight too but I don't think that would work because he said at that press conference like yo I'm not doing over going over to Zoo yeah and and and fighting with them cats nah yo he low keys he's like they got hey look when you win like this nah man I'm calling unless he were gonna provide bebo then he would be the then he would have to cater to be both no disrespect but he's like I ain't going over there to fight for the Zufa belt yeah yeah he's like I ain't doing that I ain't doing that zuofa stuff man it was hilarious I ain't doing that zufa stuff they he can come on up over here yeah uh but look I think top to bottom it was a fantastic card I mean really really I mean even the even the the first fight of the pay per view when you talk about Tito Sanchez and uh Jorge Chavez that's that's fight of the year candidate the what them dudes threw for 10 rounds that was and going back and forth like that and then for for Sanchez to finally stop him in the 10th and final round I can't I mean they were throwing like punches it was like oh they threw uh um one threw like 150 the other one threw it like almost 150 per per round right per round that was ridiculous it was ridiculous the the the the amount of punches those guys were throwing at each other and then the ending was just tremendous that without question fight of the year candidate and that and that's how you started it off and it was like oh okay this is going to be something and then and then you get to Oscar Duarte uh who comes in and talk fights uh on hell fiero and we all remember when Fierro fought pit bull that was that was a war that was them two through them two through and and this was a a real it was a good fight but I just watching the fight I thought Fierro won that fight. I didn't and I'm not I'm not gonna go against you guys and and what and what the opinion is right I I I felt like you know I could have went for the draw that's how that's how that that's how strong I feel that maybe Oscar would have won right maybe maybe we could have gotten a draw but I mean Oscar Duarte bro you know he won the fight already you know what I mean he he he could have backed out again the guy came in overweight three pounds yeah uh believe it or not man you know to to to those that that that don't know or haven't haven't gone through a weight cut and don't know what it is three pounds might not seem a lot to you guys but three pounds is still enough for you to be able to feel better than the other fighter you know what I mean and um you know he's took it in stride bro you know him getting booed and shit and all this crazy stuff uh you know you know boxing fans is crazy sometimes and um you know he he's been through so many camps his body's probably not even responding the same as he would have if he would have took breaks in between camps you know what I mean Oscar he's a he's a real fighter bro Oscar Duarte give him all the props man you know uh sometimes we just looking at the win did he win did he win I give him three bear horns you know what I'm saying he came in there fought even though the guy was he wasn't gonna not fight he went in there fought and he was still bro after the fight interacting with fans uh his his his speech that he gave at the end you know still kept it gentleman like still telling the crowd you know what I'm saying that uh uh Angel Fiero was a warrior everything about him bro is classy and um you know whatever Richardson Hitchens is saying from his phone dude look look hey hey Kyle Alex is talking about all this I was gonna say Alex there's one guy who said Oscar Corte is a bum out of here smoked is what he said on the Richardson Hitchin is great for boxing in terms of shit talk but like this is the time you need to shut the hell up because like you pulled out not even 12 hours it like it when the fight you're supposed to be ring walking like you can't talk he can't talk I told you I would have smoked this bump and he look and look I'm not saying he probably wouldn't have I'm not saying that but I'm brought he still got no roof you should talk you should have just said Oscar you still went in there props to you nah he wanna go in there start saying he would have smoked them bro we got a super chat boys we got a super chat let's go it's from the goat who is the goat the goat uncle Ray Ray Uncle Ray Ray Uncle Ray Ray is back he says we need to get ready for El Monstruo de Sequel that mile down near flawless victory at least from a fans but I agree with you I agree as well there's nothing there's nothing nothing more you could ask for fireworks the whole card I mean bro you you could you could even you in in the past you would say oh you know I wish I wish um uh David would have been a little more defensive and not got his man he after the fight I was like was he even in a fight's face looked like this it was clean I was like god dog yeah so so you know good point man for uh uncle ray ray bro so is this now in monstro's day we gotta we got plenty of Mexican fighters he he yeah he's the biggest right now other than Canelo he showed that if there is a fighter that can carry cinco de Mayo not named Canelo Alvarez David Benavidez can do it I agree David Benavidez can do it and and here's the thing and here's the thing about David Benavidez that I think it that endures him to fans maybe one of the reasons why some are are a little uh pissed off at Canelo is because he's like bring him on yeah he fight everybody bival let's go let's go come on yeah what let's go and let's do it you know he he ain't ducking for nobody we got used to him like speaking this way bro it's like you just gotta believe him when he says it yes caleb plant uh boo boo andre nobody wanna fight boo boo andra okay I'll fight you come on David Morrell David Morrell was David Morrell was hot at that time yes and you know what kind of talking about jabs David Morrell had a great job too yeah he had a he had a he fought him very well i i that was one of my favorite fights from that year yes that was that was a toe to toe match it was a toe to toe fight yeah and and i'm that i think and the thing about david is he's always gonna go for the knockout too like he's not like whatever whatever chance he could be that caleb fight he was going for that knockout but yeah it's just a tough music yeah he fought the best uh probably the best fight of his career yeah and even though it was a loss yeah even though it was a loss who's cocktail fight was great for him because he came a champion but who's cocktail I mean yeah yeah he on that level yes but the thing about David is David's always gonna put on a shelf yeah and then that's who you gotta love you know what you got what you gotta I'm just saying like BC like let's let's talk about you know who Canelo did stay for right I just want to say something you don't know on my level let's talk about Canelo and who he did stay for man yeah he's he stayed for Hami Munghia because you know obviously the Canelo's trainer is training Jami Mughea as well and so you know look mungia looked great he he beat Armando Rizendis who you know beat Caleb plant was coming off that big victory yeah um and you know he he won and now look you know mungia is is now world champion you know props to him he's now a world champion there uh um at 168 he got he has the WBA belt you remember it was I want to say seven years ago last time he was a champion at 154 so you know props to Hami Mungia you know that uh he and he looked good he you know he he threw that right hand when he had to he gave movement a little bit turned resin D's i thought I thought he fought a really smart fight uncle Ray Ray another super chat what do you got what we got uncle Ray Ray said thoughts on Morel versus Plant I I I don't I don't like that fight for Caleb plant I think morel needs to fight Callum Smith because I still need to see that scrap because Callum pulled out but I I I want to see plant fight Jamal that that's what I want oh yes that's what I want yes I need Jamal you you know when I was in Vegas for the Thurman fight yeah I I was talking to somebody in the PBC about that and Maul they said wanted it right they said now this is their opinion they said Caleb wants the fight but would want a tune up before the fight And they didn't want to do that. The PBC.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

Well, it was supposed to happen if Caleb didn't fuck it up.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

Yeah. I mean, obviously, the loss to Recendies. Recendes ruined the entire landscape for PVC. The let the next fight was going to be him against Jamal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Um, I mean Recendi's going back to uh uh Jaime Mughea and Recendi's though, man. Like, you know, el Toro, you know, was being El Toro, even though he was getting caught with shots, man, he kept coming forward. And um, one thing I liked about Jaime Mughea, man, and we gotta give him credit, we gotta give him credit for the way he switched up his game plan. He wasn't the same fighter, he was not the same fighter. I seen a different Jaime Mughea, Jaime Mughea who actually is thinking in there instead of adopting the norm Mexican boxing sock embop him.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

Is that Eddie Renoso work? Eddie Renoso works.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

It's amazing and the PEDs. No, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02 44:57

Damn it, bro.

SPEAKER_03 45:01

Yeah, who said that, bro? Let him have his moment, man. Let him have his let him have his moment, bro.

SPEAKER_04 45:06

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Listen, Jaiman Munge. Yo, you know, you know that clan burial bullshit. It's gonna hang over these guys for so forever, right? Yeah, um, but he did look in good condition. He uh his his ability to be able to, you know, stop the sockam and bop a moments and fight off the back foot, good waist movement, great combinations. This is a Jaiman Munghea that can be very dangerous. This is a Jaiman Munghea that can make some awesome fights happen, good title defenses, and he keep his titles. Yeah, uh, I'm excited to see what's up next for Jayman Munghear. Ricendi's though, even though he lost, I don't think he's out the game at all.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

When you go back to David Benavidez, he said, I not only want to be the face of Cinco de Mayo, but I I feel like I'm I'm the face of boxing. Uh what do we do what do we think about David Benavidez as the face of boxing? Bro, because with that victory, uh it are we now saying David Benavidez top five pound for pound?

SPEAKER_01 46:05

Yeah, that's top five bro, he's the most entertaining fighter. I don't care about listen. Wow, and and anybody, anybody can go against this, right? And I want to chat, please, please chime in on this, right? I want to know who you think like my man BC just asked, is the face of boxing right now. Is it Benavidez? Who is it? Because it depends on what kind of boxing you like. Yeah, do you do you like the defensive boxing shit, Corey Stevenson, right? Do you like an aggressive fighter, right? And who and and then you have guys that are just one thing or the other, bro. I'm getting everything from Benavidez.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

You are getting everything. You get the shit talk, you get the spectacle, you get the fan base, you get the entertaining fight. Like, I don't know what more you could add. I get the KO, like exactly. And you you get the willingness to like you, he's willing to put everything on the line, like he'll fight anybody. Yeah, you know, like I love you know, tanks, my favorite fighters. I was gonna say I've like, at what point am I gonna hear Javante come out of your mouth? Here's the thing about Javante is Javante is not gonna fight who the people want to fight. He's gonna fight who he wants to fight. David will fight who the people wants to fight. You know what I mean? Like, David will ask the fans, like, oh, who y'all want me to fight? Oh, you want me to fight him? I'll fight him. Javante's gonna do his own thing, and you y'all you're gonna like it or you're not. You know what I mean? So I feel like that's that's and the same thing with Canelo. Canelo's gonna do his own thing, you know? Canelo gonna he gonna he's gonna do whatever Turkey says. Whatever Turkey says, Canelo do. But David, he he go he he he'll go over to Turkey and fight turkey fighters, he'll go over to PVC and fight his fighters, go to Golden Boy and fight his fighters.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

So it's like Bro, that's that's what you call a heart of a champion.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 47:46

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 47:47

That's a heart of a champion, pumps, and and the one thing I do like about David, he don't he's not talking just to be talking, yeah. You he yeah, he's gonna say some shit to the pump up, but what he says, he believes. He's like, I what I say I mean, and he does, and you know what I mean, and that's what he said. I'm I'm I'm knocking off all these cats. I want this, I want him, I want him, and I'm trying to make a fight with him, him, him, and uh, and and that's what he does. And he he goes after it and he does it, man. I I yeah, I give him his problem. I've always been a David Benavidez fan, man, since since day one. You know, I got I got the opportunity when to call some of his first fights on PBC when it was like toe-to-toe Tuesdays, and we would come on uh on Tuesday nights on um FS1, and he was he was like you know, 18, 19 years old, you know, the chubby little 168-year-old. People like, oh, he's got great promise, and he was giving us stories about how he would be sitting on his couch, you know, drinking Kool-Aid and eating Cheetos, and he was like 212 pounds. And his dad senior was like, I'm tired of you just laying on the couch, get your ass up and and get to this gym and start training, and and so you can start losing weight, and made him basically get in the box to make him lose weight. Uh man, he he's got he's got a phenom now. Yeah, he's a he's got no he's got a um generational.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

Yeah, Sanson Lukowich gave a little little little story, a little backstory on that. Uh how uh you know he he got Benavides on the team. A lot of people weren't looking at Benavitas like you know, from from from you know just a first timer kind of face look as a as a future champion. And uh Sam Sam uh Sam took him, man. And uh look look look look at the type of champion too man.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Props to Samson. You know, Samson's a great guy. Samson is doing uh he's doing a huge event this summer. I want to say uh is it June or July, where he's doing a big event. He's gonna be the main promoter for this outdoor boxing event that's gonna go down in San Francisco. It's gonna go unit's gonna take place under the Golden Gate Bridge, basically. It is gonna be something he's gonna be massive. He said it. And he's like he said, I uh, you know, some guys are all about he said, you know, trying to get a one big name and try to make a lot of money, but that doesn't help the sport. He goes, I want to do something spectacular, and I'm just gonna have a lot of great fighters on this one card, and we're gonna really inject some energy into the sport, and it's gonna go down this summer. I want to say July or June, but it's gonna be under like the Golden Gate Bridge, he said in San Francisco. It's supposed to be really, really uh state of the art, out of the box type stuff, like when they tried to do that the fights over in Times Square.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Yeah, um, and he brought I don't think we've ever seen a fight on a boat. Yes, it's gonna be something. It's gonna be really something. Test sounds bro, fly, bro. That sounds like a video game, right there, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:55

Yeah. So props to Samson, man. We we had we had a conversation about it uh Friday. Uh so props to him about that. Uh, you know, the other thing that came about uh from this weekend, too, was again the final the it was finalized. Tim Zoo and Errol Spence. Let's go July 25th. Um man, Errol's been away what three years? Yeah, I think three years now. I mean he's been away for three years. What three and a half longer and when it comes to the fight, uh it'd be three and a half, yes, and and Tim Zoo said, Yeah, we haven't in Australia, and he said that time change is real. He said that travel to Australia is real, and that was one of the reasons why he said I may even just jump on him in the first round and try to take him out and retire him for good.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

And that that fight's in uh what month? Uh BC. July 25th. And that's right around the corner.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

Y'all, y'all know what I'm gonna bring up, but yeah, there it is.

SPEAKER_04 52:02

Hit him with it.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

That was them in the hallway.

SPEAKER_04 52:04

There was in the hallway.

SPEAKER_03 52:06

Yo, he said, You said keep that shit. He said, Keep that shit. He reached his hand out to Arrow. This is right as they were going to the press conference. He reached his hand out to shake his hand. Arrow's like, yo, all right, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:17

What Javante said they talk all that shit on Instagram, but when they see me in person, I don't got the same reaction, they all got the same reaction. Told him that, didn't he? At the press conference, you say you ain't got the same reaction. Yes, yes. Yeah, so he really likes he just walked by him and said, Nah. Yeah, he really just said, Keep that shit.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Yeah, he said, keep I ain't shaking your hand.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

Yeah, keep that shit.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

That's hilarious. And here's the one thing, too. I do like, at least I know we know that the truth has been watching the last stand because then during the press conference, he said, I heard some of the stuff you were saying that you were gonna uh maybe knock me back to retirement. And uh, and he said, and he said, Let's let's be honest, you said uh a victory over me is uh better than in winning any kind of belt because of who I am. And when did Tim Zoo say that? He said that on the last day.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

So let's see, let's see if we can bring it up, man. Let me I want to see this. Uh, this this the interaction is nah, you ain't getting that.

SPEAKER_02 53:18

You ain't getting no dap up, boy. That's hilarious. And then at the face off, he just walked right, right, walk right away from him.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

Let's see, let's see what he would happen here. Yes, here it is.

SPEAKER_04 53:29

See, he's looking look at this. Yeah, yeah, I'm like Ronnie Shield. Ronnie Sheels is smiling like that. Yo, he's like, Man, kick your shit. Come on, man. Look at look at him. Yo, Tim was hurt, bro. Tim was hurt, bro.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

Look at Timmy's like all the hurt. Somebody show that one, show that one. Somebody else did them up. Show that one too. Show that one too. Right after that. Okay, oh my yo. Yo, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_04 54:07

Is that something? Is that something?

SPEAKER_02 54:09

Yeah, this is just as good, right here.

SPEAKER_04 54:11

Yeah, the face off. He's like, man, please. I'm good. I'm good. Tim looking back like I'm good. I'm done. I'm back with you.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Yo, so what do you guys think about this rat tail, bro? Come on.

SPEAKER_03 54:23

The rat tail is going on here. Uh no, how about this? Let's not let's what you think about the fight, Alex Linez. Which one? What you mean, which one? Errol Spence and Tim Zoo? What do I think?

SPEAKER_01 54:36

What do you think? Look, man, I've always been a big Earl Spence fan. Okay, um, the biggest, but bro, ring rust is the ring rust is real, man. Big fish, ring rust is real, bro. Ring Rust is real, and uh Tim Zoo's been active. You know, uh there's some questions to be answered. I'm still gonna uh uh you know side with my man Earl. Okay, he's done enough in the sport for me to see what kind of fighter he is. Yeah, uh his style, I'm you know, I love his style. Great body puncher, but the the the punch resistance is what has me concerned.

SPEAKER_02 55:16

Bro, we know that chin. We know that chin. It ain't there no more. I'm just saying, you're good out today, bro. That that hey man, you you know I'm defending my boy Arrow to the death, right? Tim Zoo, he knows he can't outbox Arrow. That's why he's going for broke. Yeah, Arrow gonna break him down. Arrow gonna break him down. Tim Zoo is damaged goods at this point.

SPEAKER_03 55:42

Oh, I thought you were talking about Arrow.

SPEAKER_02 55:43

No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the book. Oh, I thought you thought you were talking about Arrow. What just happened? No mercy collin on no Tim Zoo's damaged goods, bro. Wow, okay, bro. After that second fight with Fandora, I knew it was over.

SPEAKER_03 56:03

You see, he got another trainer, right? Yeah, he's got he's going with Jeff uh Finnick now as as his as his trainer now. He i mean he just he just switched up, he just switched up for this last fight, and now he's going he's going to finick who you know now. Listen, Finnick back in the day had that great win. What was it over um was it a Zuma Nelson, I think, back in the back in the day when Azuma Nelson was undefeated, killing people. And so Finnick, you know, uh is a great, but man, that's a lot of changes. That's a lot of changes here over the past year. He's gone basically from his original to uh what was it, uh Revis or whatever, who was who was just his trainer for this last fight. Now he's going to Finnick.

SPEAKER_01 56:48

I think I think that you know, um like for instance, Anthony Joshua, right? Um he switched, right? Yeah, he he switched to a new trainer, and then you got a couple fighters that do this, right? That they they'll switch. I think that uh after a certain amount of experience, um sometimes some of the especially I feel like fighters that are come out of the United States, right? Because you know, this we're the melting pot, this is where you get all the styles, you know, these are the guys you gotta beat, right? So to speak. So I feel like sometimes you gotta kind of get out of your comfort zone. My man's all the way, you know, in Australia, right? So he's not getting the type of work, the type of training with the styles that he needs to be, you know, uh uh savvy on because it's it's happening over here in the states. So I don't I even though it can be dangerous, switching too much, you know, because then it's like how long are you working on things to really solidify things, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:39

That's my question to you, Alex. In training camp, what are you working on for an aerospence? Well, if you're Tim Zoo, what do you what does he need to do to be an aerospence?

SPEAKER_01 57:50

We need to have movement. Yeah, we're about to bring on the one and only Jamel Herring. Oh world champ building champ, right on the phone, champ. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 58:03

Salute to the service.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Oh, that is not him. Oh we gonna have to re-salute what's up, champ?

SPEAKER_00 58:20

How are you? Everything's good. What's going on, everyone? What's going on, champ?

SPEAKER_03 58:23

We man, listen, folks, we got Jamel Herring, former world champion. He's in the building. So let me let me do let me let me let me let me do my my thing here first, because the champ here, obviously, y'all y'all know him as the former WBO, uh, featherweight champ, but now he has jumped into bare knuckle fighting, and my man is gonna be fighting for the title May 22nd. Benham Wait, he's gonna be fighting Nate Manis, who is uh unbeaten. Uh BKFC 90 is gonna go down at the Across Shore Arena in the palm desert of California. Jamel Herring in the building. Yo, champ, let me ask you this. What the first question why bare knuckle? I was bored.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

I was um, you know, you know, um Brian, as you know, you you you're very familiar with with from Austin Trout. Austin Trout, a good good friend of mine, good good brother. Um, I just I just seen what Austin was doing after his you know transition from boxing to the BKFC because at first because at first I wasn't really familiar with him, I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, you know, I and I try and I and I I seen it, you know, you obviously with social media you see here and there, but when I started seeing just what what Austin was doing and the success and the fun he was having, I reached out to him first, you know, just to get his take. And he pretty and then you know, he pretty much said that you know he's basically had was having a blast and bringing a different aspect of the boxing side of it into the bare knuckles um sport, which is basically as you can see, it's starting to really build momentum. And you know, so I just kind of like like a typical fighter, just started watching tape studies and and watching other styles. And I was like, you know what, maybe I should give it a try. And you know, I just went from went from that to there. And and of course, I know the um the owner, David Feldman, he was actually um helped um promote some of my cars early during my um my PVC run um with with the Pennsylvania cars. So he was he was familiar with Marshall Falk and um and um Al Heyman and everyone over there in that area. So, you know, we we we spoke. Um, he gave me just a basic a different insight of what to look out for, and I just went from there.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:44

So, you know, obviously he talks about Austin Trout. Trout is is one of the guys who's now become a uh two sport world champion because he did he did it in boxing, did it in the VK uh FC. Uh so now that which is something you're looking to do. Hey, give me give us some sense of we know obviously when you're fighting, whether it be eight-ounce gloves, ten ounce gloves, uh when you're fighting now, bare knuckle. I see they look like MMA gloves, but are the knuckles exposed?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

And it are basically just hand wrapping and it stops at it stops at the knuckles, and you know that's supposed to be just bare, like the knuckles knuckles literally bare. But again, um for me, I look at it as like mainly as a as a as a fighter in the gym taping up and just shadow boxing for the most part. That's the best way I could put it, you know, basically shadow boxing, but everything's exposed. If anything, um obviously, you know, most fighters, of course, you know, reached out to me and asked me questions as well. Yeah, and you know, and obviously our our our hands has always been our our tools. So, of course, you know, even I mean, I like I said, I spoke to Bud Crawford. Bud Crawford was like, bro, what are you doing? Like, you know, again, so me and Bud had like me and Bud have had conversations, but because again, our hands are our most precious thing in boxing. So, and we all know fighter, a lot of fighters, even the greats, have had hand issues, but um, that's really that that was really the main thing that was um going into it that was concerning. But once I got the feel of it after that first fight, I kind of like you know, honestly, I I thank thank God I never had uh issues with my hands in boxing. So again, it wasn't it wasn't so much of a um a big transition with my hands, but again, it's one of it was one of those main things that when I that I hear when I speak with other fellow fighters.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:31

Jamel Herring was with us here on the Last Stand Live, uh former uh featherweight champion now uh taking place and and participating uh in bare knuckle fighting. Uh let me let me ask you this from a from a uh health standpoint, like I saw uh my my my boy Pauly Malinaji now in in it as well. Then he had that fight, and I looked at Paulie's face, I said, God damn, what is he doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:55

Yeah, I and it was crazy because I had a fight right after that. After that whole thing was on my but I looked at it, I was like, okay, I know in terms of boxing, I can't sit there and go in the maybe in a high guard stance because there's nothing there to protect you, there's no gloves, nothing. So for the most part, I had to go basically back to honestly to the fundamentals of boxing, which is lateral movement, um, you pivoting and things of that nature. And I I because again, I wasn't like I I couldn't afford to risk sitting there, even if I block a shot. There's no as you can see right here, a fist can get through through the guard regardless of anything. So so when I seen what Paulie went through, and I was like, okay, I I can I can't have that traditional boxing sense in terms of defense where I could just maybe catch and shoot shots because you know, even getting you know bone to bone that that that still causes damage, uh obviously. And plus, you know, uh if you're a smart fighter, you can go around the guard and you still get contact with fit with the bare fist. So when I seen all those things, I said, okay, how can I um implement what I know as a as a boxer into um the BKFC without taking as much punishment and damage that I've seen guys like Paul Lee and um even and gulu. I watched I watched him his fight with BKFC, and it was like just head on, head on, you know, bare fist to fit fist face to fist, pretty much. I was like, okay, I gotta go back to the basics and basically just um use my legs as my tools for defense.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:24

Now, now I would assume because you guys are so skilled at placing your punches, that when you face these cats, it's almost like a lesson that you're giving them because they're they're not as I don't not as skilled as you are in it. And so is that the biggest advantage that you guys have in the ring when you get into this kind of stuff that you like, oh man, these two pop, yeah, uh pop. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:52

Absolutely, but but it's like again, since I mean, you know, with padded gloves, you can you can obviously punch more, but if um without the we know saying without the padded gloves, I take it as you have to be very selective with your punch output and you have to be accurate and you have to be sharp. So those those things that I also look at, but yeah, obviously, um, I think for us, we know how to turn over our punches a lot better, we know how to sit on our punches instead of just going out there basically having a fist fight, you know, basically having a street fight. You know, we actually bring more of a technique to it. And again, even even come even even with like minor things people don't really take account of is like the jab. Like when um you look at a guy like our select, like my guy Shikor Stevenson, Shikor measures a lot with his jab, you know, same. And it's like those little three, those little few inches on the on the on the you know, in front of the glove make a huge difference in boxing in terms of finding his space and distance. So those is those those are something that was like something I had to get used to during the fight because obviously when I'm in the gym and I'm sparring, I'm still doing boxing workouts. So when I'm you when I was in the ring with just bare fits, I had to basically get out the mindset that I have my glove to find my re. In my timing, so I had to, you know, saying close the gap just a little bit more than I would do in a boxing match.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:05

I I love it. I love it, Jamel Herring with us here on the last stand live. Listen, I got I got a number of questions for you, and I'm gonna let my guys get right at you uh before we do that because there's a number of things. Obviously, he's fighting May 22nd. Uh, you're gonna take on uh Nate Manis for the title. What where can I see it? Where can I see it?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:25

Originally we was supposed to we were supposed to actually have it on the zone, but I think things have um, you know, in terms of um, you know, moving forward with the BKFC in the zone, I think they wanted to extend, so we couldn't put it on the zone for what I was told. But we could you could find it on the BKFC app. They have their own app, so you can definitely find the fight on there as well. But I know so I'm just excited just to um, you know, again follow in the footsteps what Austin's done. Austin did it in two fights, and this is my second fight in the BKFC, so I'm trying to you know do that as well and you know be a two-sport world champion.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:54

I love it, I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:55

Hey, uh, we we there's a lot of questions. I know these guys want to get at you with uh we got to talk about uh what you saw out of Inue, what you saw the David Benavidez over the weekend. I I want to start it off before I turn it over to Alex and Colin. Is give me your thoughts on your former Olympian partner. How about Errol Spence Jr. The return of the truth taken on Tim Zoo? I know it's been three years, you know, and by the time they fought, it's gonna be three and a half years, it's a lot of time of inactivity. What do you think about the fight? What do you think about Errol Spence coming back?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:32

I think it's a I think it's a uh in styles-wise, I think it's a perfect fight for Errol. Um, because Tim Zoo is gonna be right there. I mean, Tim Zoo, especially in Australia, let's be honest, like he's gonna feel that atmosphere, so he's gonna want to make it a dog fight, and that that plays well in the style of Errol. Like Arrow was actually one of the like the brightest stars on that team when I was coming up at the Olympics, especially so going into the going into the um, you know, going into the pro rankings, he definitely had all the momentum, and I just felt like um, you know, what he's been through, and obviously, of course, you know, the three years and everybody was questioning if he was gonna come back, and then when he does come back, he still gets questioned. Oh, should he have just stayed away from the ring? So I think Errol has a lot to prove within um so much, you know, not I don't think so much to the people, I think it's so much to himself that you know because he has to have that hunger still. And I really believe that he does. And I mean, I'm actually excited to see him come back. And like again, look at look at what I'm doing now. So who am I or anybody else to tell him that he can and can't, you know, still compete at the highest level. But I think I think it's a good fight for him. Um, most respect to Tim Zoo. But I honestly I think it's uh it's tailor made for Errol Spence. And I I can see Erl Spence um actually um dominating and winning big and getting that hype back again behind him again, especially at 154, which is a um a stacked division for him, you know, with a lot of great um names to choose from after he gets past Tim Zoo. Wow, how about that? Go ahead, Alex.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:08

Jamel, thank you for coming on the show, brother. Uh I definitely, definitely uh appreciate the service you've done to the uh for the country and also for the sport of boxing, right? You put on hell of a fights for us over man. I do appreciate you. And I wish you the best of luck in the BKFC. Look, I've been to a couple of these fights and they're a little different. They're a little different, bro. And uh, I mean, I I remember being there, and I mean, I mean, I was front row, blood splashing on me. It gets real crazy, right? Uh it's a different type of fight, you know. You mentioned some of the distance that you got to cover now because you don't have that extra inch, maybe inch and a half with the glove. Um, how's your punch selection change? You know, how how how how is it now, you know, you don't got that protection, you got to protect these moneymakers. So when you punching, are you aiming for softer tissue? You know, absolutely staying away from them from them from them heads, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:59

Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm trying to not, you know, boxing, you could just bop with a forehead, whatever, but like I try to avoid because you know it's a lot of guys coming in head first. Let's be honest, a lot of guys coming in head first, a lot of guys coming in with their head down. Some of them guys, you know, some of them guys are not really, you know what I'm saying, thinking about you know what they're you know, saying what what they need to do for their own safety. They just want to get to you. So um, for me, I like the my last fight, I knew the guy was pretty awkward, and I actually wanted that type of fight because because he was so awkward, I was like, okay, if I if I can adjust and get used to this, I know moving forward that I'll I'll be all right. So, like uh again, um, shout out to my um my trainer Henry Ramirez. Um, as we know, Henry Ramirez trained a lot of guys, Chris Ariola, Joseph Lopez, and the list goes on. And you know, we like I remember in the second and then going into the second round, Henry was like, Look, champ, when he's coming in forward, he's coming in with his head, but he's leaning towards your left hand, just take a little step back and just throw an uppercut, and it's gonna be there, and it's gonna be there. And that's exactly what I did. That's when I got the knockdown, and from there, that's when the whole fight changed, and then um, we just pretty much were just okay, go back to box and um like like you mentioned, touching so tough, tough, touching the um salt of tissue. So that basically for me, I'm going to the body, like I'm going to I'm going back, I'm going to the yeah, I'd rather go because you you see a lot of guys not throwing body shots. I don't know why I'm like, yo, a lot of guys not using body shots. I'm like, I'm going to the body. Like, I can't. If I go to the body, I know I can't miss there if I'm just throwing a straight left hand to the body, yeah, and I know it's gonna slow them down. And once the once everything starts slowing down, now I can start okay, picking my shots, um, placing my shots where I want it, and it and still moving on on a on an angle.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:41

Segwaying into that, right? Picking softer spots, hitting the body, and I mean body work is really slept on in BKSC. I've I've seen that a lot. Everybody's head hunting because those knuckles are bare. You catch one of these to the floating ribs, man. It feels different.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:56

Oh, the solar plex, you know, like right there. You know, especially, especially when they're um they're charging in or they're not controlling their breathing. I'm going to the I'm going throwing a straight shot to the stomach. And then once I start, once I start like again, once every once you like stopping in tracks and slowing down, then I I think okay, I can go back to you know saying maybe the chin and eyes, the nose down on downward.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:19

So adding to that is my question is champ, what are you doing to harden these hands? What are you doing? Uh you know, off off you know, off time. You know, are you you getting extra massages? Are you are you hitting wood? Like, what are you doing to harden these up?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:33

You know, honestly, I honestly for be truthful, to be truthful um with you guys. Like, I still just do regular boxing workouts. Like, I mean, even now, even today, um, after this, I'm going to the gym, um, sparring, and I'm still I'm still doing the same exact training that I was if I was getting for a world title fight in boxing. Uh, and only thing, the only change that we made um at times is we probably bring in a lot of guys, some guys maybe be a lot a lot more physical and rougher with you. But in terms of um the training aspect, I literally do the same thing that I was doing for the past 10-20 years in boxing.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:09

So what's up, champ? How you doing? Thank you for taking it. I I have a question in general about how does it feel? Is it feel different stepping into that ring with no gloves on? Like, is it is it feel different?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:22

I was out of place at one. I was like, uh it felt weird just walking to the ring without gloves. I'm like, I'm like, hold on, I don't have like I can use my hand, I can scratch like I was like, I was just like, I was like, oh no, I gotta I gotta get that feel, like I gotta, you know, fighting us to, you know, I'm from what we didn't even just don't even touch gloves. Something like this. I was like, okay, let me um myself in this moment. Like, how is I gonna hack it myself in the mode? I'm like, and then it's like if you look at it, you start on a line in the middle, like dead center in the ring. There's no come out from the your corner, his corner, and you make no, it's like you're right there. I'm like, man, I'm not I'm not used to like being like two feet away from my opponent. Like, whatever. Like, what if he like jumps over that line and jump in? I gotta be on point. So again, that was like the main thing for me. Like, like, like, like, um, they were like, they were like looking at me crazy. I was like, I um I need to see the rings. I need to like like have feel the ring. They're like, like for what? Like, nah, it's it's just a boxing thing. Like, I gotta feel like at least let my feet touch the ring so I can get a I can get an idea on how like if the um you know if the leveling was if the cushion is soft, if it was hard. So that was the only thing that I really got from like the boxing sense. But again, it's like once that bell ring, it was like, okay, you gotta be on. Like, if you really look, if you like look at my fight, he came out the gun. I'm like, oh, and I was and I got and I got hit, and I was like, and then I had to go to instinct mode, like, okay, I got I gotta just I gotta work, I gotta work. I gotta go to work because I don't wanna I don't wanna take too many of those. I got hit with I think with a straight right hand at that. And I was like, that's a softball killer. So I'm just like, yeah, all right, no, you gotta go to work and just you gotta you gotta just um learn on the fly for the most part.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:07

All right. We got the world champ here with us, Jamal Harring.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:10

Uh again, he's gonna be participating May 22nd. Make sure you check it out. Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. Here, wait, it says, Hey, I watched Jamel Harring's bare knuckle. Uh, that was one of the first times I actually could see the real difference uh between skills and fundamentals. Okay, Uncle Ray Ray, Uncle Ray Ray, right? Oh, how about that? So, again, that goes to what we were talking about, where you know, some of these cats, you guys, you get it, you guys come in there, and all of a sudden you're so skilled at placing your punches, and probably why you guys have been so successful in it. What about the damage? Like, you know, you've been in the boxing game for so long, and you're like, yo, hey, I've been in it at this long, I don't want any more damage.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:54

Now, y'all taking knuckles to the face, and the last time I got the last time I got cut was in the shakora fight, so that was my main concern, especially without the glove. So, I'm um, I think, and again, I you know, it's one of the as a fighter, we you see it all the time, Ryan. Like, one of the things we all hate is when a fight gets stopped or cut something. So, like, I didn't want to be putting like my main that was actually my main worry, like being in a rhythm, you know, being ahead on the lead, and then it gets stopped over a cut. So that's why you watch. I was kind of real cautious until I found my rhythm and groove, and I knew okay, I knew I were where I was safe at and going in and out, in and out in terms of um, you know, the danger zone with my opponent. But um, yeah, I think honestly, that's probably the more the main concern with um well, at least uh us the boxers, is the cuts, you know. Because we I've seen I watch a lot of fights so far, I've seen with doctors. Well, you know, even a guy could be winning, doesn't matter if the cut is crazy or two or a gash, they're gonna stop it. So that was that was my main concern. But if anything, in terms of like, if I'm being fairly honest, in terms of like waking up the next morning, like I've been in like fights with you know guys like Dennis Shavkar. Dennis, I think Denim Shovkar is still one of the the biggest punches that I've ever faced in my in my career. So like I've waken up after a good fight, and like my body and everything's aching and sore, and of course, you take too many, probably wake up with a headache, whatever, of course. But for the most part, BKFC, since there's not just not a lot of punches being really being thrown at you as much as boxing, and you're not taking so much punches. The main thing I woke up the next day, honestly, probably was my you know saying just my knuckles being swelling from the damage that I was causing, you know what I mean? For me bruising for me bruising them up rather than them bruising my you know saying me. Like I woke up the next morning, I didn't like going to the airport. I didn't feel like oh, I couldn't get out of bed, like I wasn't aching, like I didn't have like any head issues because I didn't like say I didn't take too many up there either. But I think for the most part, that the most part the most pain I felt was the pain that I was actually dealing, and then you know what I'm saying. Um, you know, I took some iron profan and I was good for my day. So it's good, it's good stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:00

We got the chair. Hey, talk to me about this cat you fighting. Talk to me about Nate. This is your opportunity to talk some shit. Uh talk to me about Nate, it's for the world title. What Nate in store for me?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:11

I mean, you know, you know me. I always been I always been a real downboard through. Like I like, I like I mean he says he's he's gonna I like I've seen he says don't give me about three rounds before you know before uh he stops and whatever. But again, I'm like, you gotta hit me. Like again, I'm like, I'm not like he's gonna really find out in terms of um the boxing aspect of everything. Like, you know, um, and I and I and that's what I like, that's what I love about it. Like to give like to give people a schooling, you know what I mean? Like, that's how I look at it. Um, again, because again, I I feel like like I see a lot, like I think a lot of these guys they like jump into it, and that's all they know, respectfully. Not not him, but just like speaking in general, they feel as oh, box is coming over here, they think it's gonna be the I'm like, listen, man. I'm not I'm not a fool. Like at the end of the day, I'm still a fighter. Like, I mean, for the most part, let's be honest. Most of us started out street fighting probably before we even got into box in the beginning. You know what I'm saying? We just boxing just taught us a lot more discipline, but at the same time, it's still hand-to-hand combat. Like, you still you still could only use your fist. Like, and respect him. I mean, I give anybody respect if um that that made it to the UFC, but I don't think he's ever fought on even in the UFC on a world championship level. Like, again, um, I've taken for me, I think you know, it I I beat him definitely with experience, you know, experience plays a plays a huge role. Uh, and when you have an idea of what you want to do, and and especially when you've been in you know bigger fights, um, you know, bigger fights at the at the championship level. Um, the Olympic run, like I said, I picked the brains of guys like Arrow, Errol Spence, Terrence Cross for Crawford, and you know, the list just goes on. So, I think for the most part, I think he'll probably gonna run into a lot of frustration because again, I'm not a dummy, like I'm not there, I'm not there to be a crash dummy either. But right, again, I want to make it exciting, but I'm not gonna let you have your way in there. And I'm gonna just you know say I'm gonna beat you with experience before I do it physically.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:08

May 22nd is when the champ is uh in the ring fighting for the title there, fighting for the title title and BKFC. Uh, real quick here, and I'm gonna let you get back. Um my guys get back at you. Toughest fight you've ever had in the ring. The well, you said, God dang, I'm idiot.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:26

That's easy. Um, Shakur Stevenson. Shakur Stevenson. And I and I say that because he he's like, that's a tricky dude to um to figure out, you know what I mean? Like, and I and I I don't take like people always want to like they bring like my coach when they had try to attack me, they bring them like I don't have no ill feelings about like I'm a fighter, like I wanted to test myself against the best. At the time, he was you know considered the up-and-coming one of the best fighters, and I'm actually glad I got to I got to share that experience with him. But again, um Shakur Stevenson is hands down one of the trickiest guys. Again, like I mentioned earlier, one of the hardest punches I've probably been in there was with um Dennis Shabakoff back in 2016. You know, that's probably one of the hardest punches. But again, Shakur is a difficult guy, and it's funny because he came to me um a few months afterwards when he's about to fight Oscar Valdez. I was commentating for that um for that card, and he said that at that point in time that I was the hardest punches that he ever faced. And I'm like, I couldn't tell because I didn't know why we were scratchy that night, you know.

unknown 1:21:28

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:29

So I'm like, I couldn't, but I'm like, but that's but that's another thing. He doesn't give away, he doesn't give away things in the ring because a lot, a lot of times fighters, we always we always um you know, we read off a body language, but again, if you he he said it, he said he hit me with a good a good left, I think it was left uppercut. He was like, Man, and it and it shot me. And it was like, and he said, Okay, when he hit me with that, I was telling myself, I'm not gonna allow him to do that again. And that's just a smart fighter that he is to make the pop-up adjustments. Where you, if you really look at his fights, though, you really don't see him getting hit with the same thing or falling into the same traps over and over again. And I think that's what makes it more difficult because he makes adjustments on the fly and he goes from there and um he takes away your best assets as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:13

You know, I and I know it's it may be hard because you haven't faced him, but everybody would love to see Tank and Shakur. What would you think could happen in that kind of fight?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:21

You know, like I said, I've trained with Tank, um, you know, alongside with Barry Hunter going out to D um going out to DC with um Mike Staff and Rest of the Father. Yeah, the headbangers. Yeah, out there and headbangers. So again, I mean, uh as a fan, I I would love to see that fight. You know what I mean? I would love as a fan, I would love to see Tank just back in the ring in general. But like I said, I'm I'm more of a um I'm more of a fighter that was a more about legacy. You know, you see today, we all see today more fighters today, which is not a bad thing. That that's your thing, that's your thing, but most fighters are about you know getting the biggest, biggest bag without you know saying making less risk, yeah, yeah, and with less risk. So I could understand that too. But again, as a um a fighter, I would love to see that. But I think it'll be I think it'll be a good fight. I think it'll be a great fight. What what is who is the best fighter you've ever faced? Shigar Stevenson. I mean, I and I say I think I would say the most accomplished at the time was maybe uh maybe Carl Frampton, because again, when I took my first loss in 2016, Carl Frampton was um fighter of the year. Yep, Leo, yeah, when he it was Leo when he fought Leo Santa Cruz. So again, um I took my hat off, even though I was a champion of fought um Carl Frampton. Carl Frampton didn't have to fight me. Carl Frampton could have done, he could have gone any other direction that he wanted. And that fight came about because you know, I was looking around the room in the division at the time, and I wanted to fight um Miguel Berchell. I want because he was the man, he was the guy, he was the man, respectfully. When I won my title, I wanted to fight Miguel Bachell. Um, and then okay, he he fight. Then I couldn't get him, so I was like, okay, I see Oscar Valdez is the WBO featherweight champion coming up. And I know boxing rules, I know if he moves up, he gets the first shot at it. Oscar Valdez respectfully, you know, he declined and he went on to go fight Miguel Bachell. So I was like, I gotta, I was like, I don't want to be the guy with the belt on the outside looking in, like, I don't know I don't have a big fight. Who to who can I fight? And you know, my team, um, they was like, hey, how about what about Carl Frampton? I said, just make it, make it. Like, I definitely and um I think he just had like around that time, he had came up a good win against my good friend Onino Donnere, who's also another phenomenal fighter who I respect. And I was more about, I want okay. I started looking at how boxing is today, if I'm being honest with you guys, like it was obviously things like Floyd points out, there's a lot of belts around. So, like me holding the title, it just wasn't enough. Now it's at that point where I gotta start adding names to the resume, and that's how I came with the um the whole Carl Frampton fight. But you know, so I was grateful for to share the ring with a guy like Carl Frampton.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:52

So you talked about fighters who are about legacy.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:56

It seems like David Benavidez is one of those guys. Yeah, what did you think about his performance? And then there are a number of people saying, Yo, David Benavidez, is he now one of the faces of boxing? Is he top five pound for pound?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:10

Beautiful, yes. I I think I'll put him in top, I'll put him in the top five. Um, I'll put him in the top just just of just of the fact the feat, the feat of even jumping that high in weight and still looking like he was fighting at 168, you know, flawlessly. Like um, the speed didn't obviously didn't go anywhere. And again, shout out to Zoto. Zoto Zoto, you know, being the champion, he could probably went any other direction that he wanted. So shout out to um Zoto for taking that fight. But it's just like I just like love the the masterpiece and and how how he displayed himself in that fight and the things he did. And I was, you know, I was like, I wasn't so like I wasn't surprised that he won, but I was in love with the way how he how he looked at him. Yeah, how he did it. And I was like, man, this guy, like I knew David was always like a monster, but like man, like I think I think from just looking at from you know 68 to Cruiser, you know, even the great, I think he he could make still a lot of great space at 175, but um, he better be it, be ball, whoever.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:10

Um, you know, and the list he he talked about how he looked. I think it's time for the fighter breakdown. So this is basically how he ended his fight. And Alex, let's let's roll it for the champ. And you know, just tell us what you what you liked out at Benavidez.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:28

You know, he was he was always look that the hand speed, the hand speed was crazy for starting. But he was always people people I don't think people gave him a lot of credit for his um his defense because he you know he was very responsible where he was at in the ring, and even in front of him, he still has sharp defense, he still has sharp defense, and he was catching and shooting a lot of things that Zoda was throwing at him.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:48

Oh I mean that hey hey Alex, I I got called it the hit him with the what do you so so going going going to to or asking more asking you about entertainment, right? Uh Jamel, we were we were talking about this uh before you came on. Who do you think right now is the most entertaining fighter in the sport of boxing?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:10

Entertaining. Wow, that's a good one. That's and we got one of them on right now. I mean, one of them, yeah, what's that? One of them was uh anyway, anyway. You know, he put on a he put on a very good chess match, and of course, you know. I still think I got obviously obviously Javante King Davis is uh is definitely one entertainer and entertaining fighter because um you know he brings out and he um ends the show the way people love to come see. You know, people love knockout, let's be honest. Um, I think Keyshawn Davis is is a is another one. I think I honestly I again um entertaining. I I want to see, I definitely want to see how Boots and Xana fight, you know, plays out because you know, Boots Boots can be a showman. Boots definitely could be a showman in there. Um, it's a it's a lot. I think one four. has a lot of a lot of great fights that could be entertaining with with the with the right you know with the right um dance partners are down there as well um i want to see i want to see how you know say my guy tiafimo lopez does when he comes back because he's he's he's entertaining when he when he can put him in with the right style as well so there's a lot of there's a lot of good fights i i mean even like people you call you call him boring like i said i'm not oh whatever but i don't think he's boring but i think i said i think um fight with shakor and um zapeta that that was that was that was entertaining because again that you know shakor had a it was you know he's put on a lot of gunfire in that fight but he fought back and that's i don't so i don't understand why he gets a lot of flack i think for him it's just again another one you put him in with the right style he's gonna make an entertaining fight as well so it's a lot there's a lot of a lot of young guys and abdullah mason's another one as well his last fight you know when he won the title was in the entertainment but there's a lot of guys um that definitely can um carry the sport of boxing on the next generation hey champ before before colin asks you a question i i'm curious i i remember we had lamont roach on and he always talked about how you you schooled him and he said that was a lesson i've always kept here and i and again what you obviously man bc they're trying to send my man bc to the shadow realm right now yeah yeah i thought i thought it's me nah nah not mcdonald's wifi he got into optimist pride you can yo get your together we're gonna we're gonna bring you back chimney i'm gonna i'm gonna hear i'm gonna hit it yeah yeah i just want to know you think of yo he's still going bro we can't hold up hold up hold up hold up your wi fi brother no that's alex that ain't me how is he me and everybody else good everyone's as great as you dog man come on i think he back okay okay we back all right back i just wanted to know champ what do you think about lamont roach now considering he he always talked about that schooling you gave him he said man that was a lesson lesson learned and he's had a draw against javante which was controversial then he gets another draw against pit bull controversial uh your thoughts on what you've seen out of Lamont Roach Lamont's gotten better Lamont has gotten way better way better I gave Lamont I tip my hat to Lamont um I know again like I'm being like I'm glad it's funny uh I asked that question earlier um last week about Lamont always gonna always get asked by Lamont and let's be honest guys we know boxing I always say styles make fights but people for for some reason people thought like I and I told people because again people don't realize I've I've also trained with Lamont same thing headbangers it's all in this DMB area I've been in the gym with him tank everybody all the I seen them all come up together and um you know I sparred Lamont maybe two three times prior to when we when we fought so I I knew going into the tank fight that Lamont was going to be a a a difficult task and um I wasn't surprised I wasn't surprised how it played out and it's no knock against tank I just again I always say styles mean fights but for some reason I went because Lamont lost to me they thought it was going oh yeah I know how it goes oh you know no Harry oh oh but again but again it's like I like hey don't don't don't forget knocking trying to knock me worry about what's what you see with these two and how the styles clash and I I think um Lamont Lamont is is is is a really really good fighter um and I'm glad to see that he's still out there making a name for himself and potentially in a in the world another world title fight I mean it's funny I I thought Brian was going to ask me because like I got asked this last week would you do a rematch I'm like you know I'm never I'm I'm never boxing is always gonna be my first love I'm like and it's one thing um even with the BKFC I can always bounce back and forth but again I feel respectfully I think that I think the ball will have to be in Lamont's court you know he goes out there let's say he beats Williams for the vacate vacant title um WBC title he's fighting at 130 for 135 I'm over here at 135 and you know the BKFC anything anything is possible but uh again I think Lamont has definitely um come a long way since we last fought um he's he's he's another one that I like to see get get in the ring and put on a good show especially when especially with guys guys that people feel like he's gonna be overwhelmed against like his last two opponents and he you know he goes out there for some show but that yeah definitely Lamont is definitely a um a good fighter in his own right uh I think was it Colin he dropped out there there you go go ahead Colin go ahead colin you know I will real quick before Colin jumps on I I I I wanted to ask uh uh Jamel man you know because you know there's always talks about how how how uh these presidents run their organization whether it be the UFC where whether it be you know one of these promoters in match room queensbury top rank uh uh premiere box whatever right uh now that you're in bkfc what do you what what's your take on on the organization itself you know we have a few uh uh boxes that has traveled over there uh you know it Austin Trout one one of the bros uh had success over there and I'm just curious man what's your take on on on on how the organization is ran and uh Mr. David Feldman right um david my guy like I said yeah um David worked alongside Marshall um you know uh Marshall Marshall Kaufman over there you know saying um p promotions uh obviously they did a lot of um they did a lot of work with um al heyman the pbc when they first went um back in 2016 and everything like that that's a matter of fact when I'm in my first main event um David David was on uh helping with that promotion but um is he's easy going like I can I can like again I can reach out to him right now have a great conversation with him he's he's straightforward doesn't sugarcoat anything let's like yo this is what this is what we're doing chant this is what this is what we want to do this is the direction we want to go um again I just thought January we see with boxing sometimes guys have like long layoff like I'm saying stay at the ring long but for me it was a quick turnaround and it was straight to the point this is the date um the title is vacated this is who we want we want you to fight are you fine with that cool hey I'll see I'll see you I'll see you when I'll see you when uh when it's time to fight champ and but uh all overall David's a real good guy um nothing I have nothing you know not no nothing to say bad about him even though like I say not not just because I'm with the BKFC that I really can't find anything you know I can say anything bad about how he's treated me within the organization of the BKFC and I'm you know it's it's a it's an easy going straightforward relationship that's awesome so so it's you know type of guy you can call hey David you know this is going on this is going reachable reachable guy yeah I got like I said I got I could call him right now text him hey David this is I need I have issues with this can you have or or you know whatever and that's awesome he'll get back to me or if I call you know he like again um you know we'll we'll sit down and talk or you know he'll he'll like sometimes he'll just call me and just ask if I need anything so no David David's a real easy going guy and how's the fight process making a fight with uh with uh within the organization uh with them who's you know how are the matchmakers how how what's the process yeah no they're good too like I said again um I'm I think it was in probably early March when David had reached out to me and um he was like hey I want you to fight in May oh I'll get back give me like a week or so I'm trying to get something together he did call back in that same in that in that time period like he said he said the title's vacated I want you to um you know I want you to fight May 22nd I was okay David who like against who and he said oh we're looking look right now looking at Nate Maynes you know we're we're gonna want to drop the contracts you know I'm saying get with the guys you know saying get with the team if you need anything and it was just easy going the matchmakers have been have been easy going as well because at first i'm like that's funny that you got you asked me that because I was supposed to actually make my debut last October y'all know the great Larry Hazard in New Jersey wasn't having it because of course you know they were because David you know at first he was trying to say I'm I want I want you to let's be honest I want you to get this a soft touch to get your feet wet because it's different from boxing so I don't I don't want you to just throw you out there so they were going the matchmakers were going through um tons of um opponents but and in respect to Larry and it's because it's a respect to me the Larry was like hold up Jamel Harry hell no I can't I'm not I'm not gonna put I can't put this guy in it against the guy as a not only is Olympian but a former world champion.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:57

I can't do that so it we was going through a lot with the matchmaking process but they were literally trying trying trying to um get me to fight in New Jersey for my debut and it just wouldn't happen so that's why I told them hey just give me some guy that that's a seasoned bet within the BKFC and I'll go from there I'm not I'm not a picky guy let's make it happen plus I and I said I told anyway I want to be on that path to a world title early anyway so if you got to give me a guy that that that's at the top level that's already this as rugged I don't care so it was easy and from and when they came back to me in um I think late November early December time frame with with the um with the opponent I said just make it happen and they did it they they they um they drew up the contracts and I made my debut on January 17th and here we are now what you got Colin champ we were debating this earlier I need your opinion who has the best jab in boxing I said anyway uh I I forget what Alex you said but pop said Dramal Charlo I want to know who has the best overall jab in boxing right now um for me I like Devin's jab I feel like he's he's one fights yeah I like you know why because he like he sets everything up with the jab like everything starts and he'll stop you in your tracks just for that split moment with the jab and when you if you watch if you watch um carefully like when he's jabbing he's he's he's sliding over to you know saying to an angle yeah and that and that's how I like and that's where he um catches you all for blind shot so I think I think Devin Haney but yeah so the what you guys mentioned I mean yeah Jamal Charles he definitely has a he definitely has a good jab in a way had had had a strong stiff jab you know I mean so again and I'm like said me just being the pure boxer I always believe everything sets up with the jab but I I think I think Devin Haney should be in um conversation as well for one of the best jabs at boxing how was yeah I couldn't get to him so I was the man I was the man with a longer reach now like Shakur Shakur with the precise he has he has definitely a precise accurate jab and he like he can change it up when it um he can change the um the angle and trajectory of how he throws the jab as well so yeah shakori can throw him in that combination as well what do you think about the Nue Nakatani fight I think oh I I'm one I think oh I'm gonna give before that I I don't like it say again he's not fighting but it'd be I think um rest in peace to uh Emmanuel Stewart but I think Emmanuel did a great job of um Vladimir Clisco's jab as well Vladimir Vladimir I mean look at it Vladimir both both him and his brother though um they were winning fights just solely off the jab you know I mean so like I think I think that um they have a great um they had it had great jabs as well but um you was asking about the NAWA fight I thought that was on the Nakatani then that was a good chess match that was a good chess match I think the um the headbutt kind of threw Nakatani off his game you know from from what I seen um shout out to Rudy Hernandez I've uh I fought one of his fighters um when I fought masakaido for when I for the title so I know um Rudy Hernandez is a is a great um you know a great teacher and a technician he um but again I thought it was a good chess match and um I wouldn't mind even seeing it again down the road but you know respectable fighters in a way you know saying prove that he's more than just a knockout puncher you know a knockout artist you know he he can box he can change up he can like he can change levels he can change up his um his punch selection and go from there and still win big fights I got to call the fight this week and since this is one of your old divisions uh Angelo Leo making a second defense of his title against Rais the beast alim what you think about that fight that's a good that's a good that's a good fight uh Leo you know he he's had it just outside the ring he's had it he's had huge setbacks and he's um beat you know adversity so that's a good fight um alim is definitely is is a is a is a dangerous dude I think but I think you know time off can hurt a bit so we'll have to see how they you know saying how they look in the early fights in the round but I think it's it's a good fight for that division um but the way division is is definitely stacked um don't forget you got guys that are like like shoo shoe you know Bruce Carrington that that's you know saying making a huge name for himself and and other Espinosa yeah Espinosa a tall task so yeah so yeah uh it's that um that division is is um a great division in boxing as well all right listen man i know you got to get training uh the champ has been with us here on the last stand man it's been great to see you we hey listen we want to give you the final word here because it's may 22nd we know you fighting for the title tell the folks what they gonna see when they tune in to that bk uh fc app and watch you fight for the title oh boxing lessons boxing lessons i'm definitely um again it's gonna be intending because i like respect the name he's gonna come he's definitely gonna come forward so but again um i believe that's gonna create a lot of openings and opportunities for me as well but it's it's definitely gonna be a good fight and i'm definitely gonna come out come out as a two sport world champion i love it there you go yo hey before we send the champ off right everybody get ready hey yes yes to y'all man respect to y'all we gotta do it again we gotta do it again let's do it again male let's do it matter of fact after you become champ we come bring you back on so you can talk yourself i got you there we go folks thank you champ the champion absolutely jamel heron joining us uh on last day live hey man it is just like good people in the sport that's he's one of the nicest guys great fighter and one of the nicest guys you hear him yeah yes it's i'm telling you man it's alex i'm telling you it's alex it ain't me what are you talking about it ain't me bro no that was my fan man i got a fan on right now fall back that was my fan that's calling like what what's going on are we still on or what happened is he is calling colin you you hear us i think color got another call i call it we're gonna we're gonna give you the boot right now colin we're gonna have to give you the boot now i i i like i like mr jamel herring man i like this guy man and then and it it it always strikes me how them guys get into bare knuckle man i'm like yo y'all y'all said i'm i'm getting i'm getting out of boxing you know i've taken some punishment i don't want to do that and you get into bare knuckle i i'll be honest with you bro like i i you know austin proud's you know austin trout's one of the bros man and i was surprised when he went over there yeah because you know my man my man's a cool he's a good dude and you know you know very he's the nicest guy you're gonna meet right right i guess you you just don't want to get him mad right but when he switched over to freaking bkfc bro he he was successful man yeah he was and he was he know he was doing his thing man and um paulie shout out to pauly you know one of the bros too and uh he's had his success in it and um that's why i asked what you know what's what's the organization looking like because you got some boxes to go over there and you know i never heard anything bad and i've i haven't heard anything anything that that that that puts uh any shade on the organization so um it was good to hear it right from jamel yeah and uh you know just telling us a little bit about how that organization is ran you know we're uh pure boxing over here but you know we like fighting period right absolutely so uh shout out to bkfc for uh you know handling their business the way uh uh uh you know fighters appreciate it uh by the way is it just me or why is this guy sucking on the it is nothing in the cup my driving me crazy cubes there's water in there bro it's water center out center out just roll your chip to the left or the right there we go i i can't i can't bro the whole time it looks like you had two ice cubes in there and you've been trying to take them in through a still water in there bro you got three ice cubes no brakes bro no brakes like i thought it was just me it man he's throwing gyms from us all i heard was i know you're not talking about your bum ass wi fi bro you make up the whole momentum with the bum ass wi fi i ain't trying that i ain't trying to hear that man be over here like what's going on like what it is it's been it's been a month bro let me settle in bro let me settle in so yeah so now so now jamel though man yeah it really was it was good really good stuff hey look and we gotta tell the people first of all we got a new episode angelo uh angelo leo uh race aline it is on right now just go to you can go right there to our youtube channel watch that episode it is really good it's a fight that goes down May 9th this coming saturday in Atlanta i'll be there i'll be calling those fights uh that's right that's right that's right so make sure you peep in the when's the fight again uh uh bc uh the atl are on the zone um make sure you check that out man it's this is gonna be a banger because you know you might remember Angela Leo if I'm not mistaken it was last year where he had that uh fight uh knockout of the year candidate uh when he won't won the title that was oh my god man I mean and so you got him defending his title for the second time raising is a guy who has been waiting for this title opportunity for a long time I mean it's been years he's been like the number one contender and now he's finally getting in this opportunity I mean between both of them uh both guys only have one loss uh it is and it will be one heck of a fight uh and you know he's talked and and you heard Mel is it gonna be on Pro Box TV uh I I know it's gonna be on DZON it's definitely okay okay it's a D zone fight who's running the game who's running the play on this uh it's elite of promotions uh I'll be I'll be doing play by play okay let's go Chris Algieri Chris Algieri will be with me uh he'll be the analyst okay uh so it it's gonna be so hey look up you first of all you I love the ATL and uh from my understanding TI's daughter is going to do the national anthem so ti coming that's fly uh Pat Poos power in there yeah Pat Poos and Clarissa Shields uh are supposed to be there because of their their company is part of the promoting they'll be saying you hear it is the super chat my man take a ray right ain't nothing in that cup bro not there was a damn thing all right bro yo all right in that cup matter of fact please folks for those listen you see the cash app can y'all please first of all support the show I mean that's all we ask is support the show so we can get this guy something so he can go to Dunkin' donut let me get let me get another drink now get him a cup of coffee yo bro yeah yo was just it was driving me crazy Alex it was driving me crazy I would say put the goddamn as a father put the goddamn fuck down man bro it was like water it was like water was running there was water in there bro I believe you had three ice cubes melting and that that's water ain't it that's water bro unbelievable oh my god but we don't we don't give him slack for ruining the half the interview by talking in uh the robot form he got hit he got hit by the uh agents the matrix agents i thought it was i thought it was jamel like it was no it was the it was the when they put the fighter thing it was messing up the turned into optimus prime camp bro blame blaming the guest wifi is crazy i didn't blame that i just said it was the fighter thing when we brought the fighter we it's our it's our big i thought it was jamel messing up we're gonna play this back we're gonna run unbelievable yeah but you know what we review re unbelievable see see we took him out exactly all right bro bc say he had enough of the slurp I told you I told you I tell us bro that's why we need we we need y'all and I'm being serious we need y'all to hit the hit the cash app yo uncle Ray Ray said my man was parched it's a long show now it's a long it's a long show you know he was he was making them three ice cubes last he's like I ain't gonna for real again I ain't moved since so I gotta you know pull up Colin Look.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:01

Yeah. Right. That's how you're supposed to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:08

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SPEAKER_02 1:50:11

From Iceman.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:13

By the way, folks, if you're listening, we do need a sponsorship.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:16

We do need so we can keep the show rolling. We need the sponsorship. Yo, look at look at the chat.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:21

Look at uh can you pull up Austin Wall's chat? Oh, what's that's what he said. What else did all that?

SPEAKER_01 1:50:28

Everybody's getting at you, man. What do you say? What do you say? Says, need more live sessions. Great content. Iceman. Iceman. Iceman. Yo, Austin Wall. Yo, wait, wait, wait. BC, I think something just happened right now. Come on, bro. I think we officially got the listeners to give Colin his new on the podcast nickname, the Iceman. The Iceman. Iceman.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:53

Hey, hey, May 15th. Drake is dropping it, bro. Y'all know how I am with Drake. Iceman. Iceman is coming. Iceman is coming. Yo, shout out to my man Austin Wall. He owes the he owns the gym in Oakland, New Jersey. Wall Athletics, man. Phenomenal gym. Work out there every morning. You can catch me there at 5 a.m. Yo, Shadasha Green works out there. That's where she works. That's where she works. At Wall Athletics in Oakland, New Jersey, man. Shout out to Austin Wall. Any update on her? You got she's been she's she's been good. We've been in contact. Uh she's good. She's just recovering. Um, but she's she started, she's been at the gym. She started back running. Um yeah, I mean, you know, listen. Step by step, right? Step by step. I think sweets definitely we wants to come back. Uh so you know, obviously, we with when you when you get uh stopped, you know, especially in New York, they're gonna take some time. So you know, it's gonna be at least a good six months uh before and and it and it and now you gotta look at okay, well what what what happens now with uh Clarissa Shields? Because from my understanding, Clarissa Shields wants to come back and fight in August. And I'm thinking it's um is it and not Daniel Perkins. Is it Lauren Price? I want to say isn't she the uh isn't she the unbeaten? She's the unbeaten champion at what is it? Is it 154? I want to say 154. Lauren Price, I think I'll find out this weekend, but from my understanding, I'm thinking that's what they're that's what they're looking at next for Clarissa Shields.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:30

Okay, yeah, everyone, everyone getting on me about the ice, bro. I'm telling you, yeah, bro. You did yourself dirty, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:37

Unbelievable. I the people they've siding with me and Alex, like yo, tell this cat to put the goddamn cut down, bro. There's no more in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:48

Yeah, and it's funny how bro, it I could bro. I don't know how it wasn't that you got a killer mic. You got it, you got you got a dynamic mic. That's what it is. Yes, it was pick, it was picking up the whole thing. Sounded like a gremlin.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:04

All right, bro. I do got a good mic, but I had an upgrade after you told me the it's always the mic issues, apparently. Bro, you got the ultra mic. These are these are like the shits that the artists be wearing. It's like the in-ear monitor stuff. So I'm I'm I'm trying to be top notch here. Nah, they're top notch for sure. So it picks up, it picks up everything, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:23

Uh it picked the ice cube uh jumping around in a cup for sure. Oh my god. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:30

Uh by the way, I'm just looking at up. Yes, so Lauren Price is what I'm hearing. Uh would be next. That would be uh the nah I get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:37

I'll go right. I I I fuck with it. I fuck with it. We wouldn't get the exactly. It was it made for a funny moment. And I got I got I got the Iceman nickname, so you you cold, you cold, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:52

Yo, uh that that is fantastic, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:55

And and again, I I hope folks keep uh support the show, man. Hit that cash app, hit the Venmo last day in sports, so that uh we can make sure that Alex has something to drink and that Colin has something to that please get Colin other than two ice cubes.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:11

We need we need Colin to upgrade from a medium to a large cup lasting the whole podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:16

We got yeah, and so that he has actually some liquid in the cup besides ice cubes. My gosh. Bro, I'm telling you, as a father, I want to be like, and I didn't want to because Mel was our guest, was on there.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:29

I want to be like, bro, can you put the goddamn cup down?

SPEAKER_01 1:54:32

BC, BC, as long as you've been in broadcasting, and I know that was that was just getting it.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:38

I'm learning, bro. I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm learning. I'm learning.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:42

My man is giving us gems. Hey, look, I thought in the in the fifth round when he did this.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:51

It was not like that, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:54

Then he shook it like he gave it the melt spin, like your milk a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:02

Yo, y'all gassing it now. Y'all gassing it, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:05

What are you doing? Oh, I'm cooling my drink here. Let me cool it.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:08

Let me shake these ice a little bit. I'm telling you, gassing that shit. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:15

Oh my gosh. Y'all are crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:18

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SPEAKER_03 1:56:57

And let us know who you who you want. You know, yeah, who you want next. Hit the chant, and you know, when you say, Hey, I want to hear from such and such, you know, I'll get on it and make sure that we have that those episodes for you. And I'm I'm with Alex, man. We we appreciate you because we do this for you guys, the fight fans. Always make sure that I try to come with some some information too. I think we definitely want to do this in June. I hear Lamont Roach, they're trying to bring Lamont Roach and Zapeta. Uh trying to make that for June. Uh obviously Errol Spence uh and Tim Zoo is July 25th. Uh, they're they're they are diligently working hard to try to bring back tank uh for August. Oh, whoa, whoa, yes. Uh uh I also heard that um, you know, I know we had Charlo obviously on the episode, and you heard Charlo say that they've been talking with Fundora trying to make that fight. Listen, I uh I talked with Fundora's promoter. I'll be honest with you, Fondora's promoter told me that in a perfect world, he he he wants the winner of Tim Zoo, uh Errol Spence. And and they're praying that Errol Spence is victorious because that's the fight they would like to see is Errol Spence and Fundora, because it was a fight they said it was supposed to happen a couple years ago. Um, so we'll see what happens there. Uh whether or not Charlo gets it or they they get the winner of Zoo uh Errol Spence.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:19

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SPEAKER_04 1:59:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:13

And uh, you know, when BC brings on these uh you know star guests, you're gonna be able to ask questions uh based off the questions you you you put in. Now, BC, you know, he's gonna go ahead and see what questions are. We don't want no craziness. We don't want no crazy questions on here. All right, champs. But we are gonna be taking a look at some of these questions. We're gonna be posting on the community page for you guys to be able to comment your questions there. And then BC himself is gonna go on there and he's gonna read them and he's gonna pick out some of the questions that you guys are asking, and he will go ahead and read them live and ask the fighter, coach, whoever might be coming on. So we encourage you to go ahead and get your memberships as we're gonna start to uh increase our perks and develop the content exclusively for our memberships.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:59

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SPEAKER_02 2:00:14

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SPEAKER_03 2:00:17

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SPEAKER_02 2:00:26

Send us the address and your size.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:28

Yeah, and we got exactly. We got XLs, we got large, we got mediums. Uh is all we got left. So let us know, and uh we'll hit you up, Uncle Ray. Well, we appreciate you. We appreciate all of y'all uh that been watching. My man Alex, we done it again. Uh uh another one in the books. Colin, we done it again. My man's a college graduate now. He he's about to be ready for the real world. Let's go, chat.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:55

What four hours of sleep in the past three days, and we back. Yeah, exactly. Grind it. Grind it. That's why I had the coffee today. So I love it. Too much coffee, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:07

I love it. As I always say, that's what we do here on the last stand. We bring you the biggest names in the sport. For Alex, for Colin, I'm Brian. Thanks for watching, folks. We'll see you again next month.