Pain & Profit: Trader Mastermind Ep. 1 – Dee Futures (ICT Trader)

In this episode of Pain & Profit: Trader Mastermind, Tony and Mike sit down with a prop firm futures trader, Dee Futures, whose journey into the markets started in an unexpected place of survival.

After COVID shifted his perspective on income and freedom, he was introduced to trading through a friend and eventually found his way into the world of ICT concepts. But like most traders, the road wasn’t smooth.

From turning a $300 account into $6,000 (and realizing it was more luck than skill)… to making $30K in just 21 days… to experiencing the emotional rollercoaster of running an account up $10,000 and back down to $200—this episode dives deep into the real journey behind trading success.

We break down:

•  Why he prefers futures (NQ/MNQ) over forex and his experience with prop firms like TakeProfitTrader 
•  How he uses lower timeframes (like the 2-minute chart) within his model 
•  When to stay out of trades—and why most traders force the market 
•  The truth about risk management, over leveraging, and discipline 
•  Why trading is more psychological than technical—and how the market acts as a mirror 

This conversation goes beyond charts and setups. We get into the mindset shifts required to stay in the game, including doing the internal “shadow work” that exposes destructive habits and emotional triggers.

If you’ve ever struggled with consistency, revenge trading, or feeling like you’re battling yourself more than the market—this episode is for you.

Because at the end of the day:
 There are no shortcuts in trading… only lessons.

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If you’re tired of fake motivation and ready for the truth behind the grind — this is where it begins. 

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Disclaimer:
The Pain & Profit Podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. We are not financial advisors. Nothing discussed in this podcast should be considered financial or investment advice. We’re just traders sharing our experiences, lessons, and perspectives on the markets and performance mindset.

Always do your own research, manage your own risk, and never trade or invest money you can’t afford to lose.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

I got a few minutes, Matt.

SPEAKER_04 0:01

Man, this shit recorded, man. Ain't fucking with y'all. We're starting this right now. Got device recording. Let's get it popping. Yeah, Mike. D yeah, we're gonna get this popping, man.

SPEAKER_02 0:12

For sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 0:13

Going to your introduction, you want to, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'll cut out whatever you gotta cut up, but I just want to start it, get it started.

SPEAKER_03 0:20

For sure. Yeah, man. Well, I'm um, my name's D Futures. Um, I reside out of Virginia. Um, I actually know Quan personally because we was making moves in the car game together, as far as respectfully uh across the hall, you know. So um, yeah, man. I I've been trading since um 2020 when um right when the COVID time started. Uh I was getting coming back from overseas from Germany, um, relationship, long story, uh, with a chick out there. But um, yes, I got back from COVID, and um, of course, everything was on lockdown, couldn't flip cars, couldn't do anything as far as for investments-wise, because everybody's in the house. So had to switch things up a little bit. Things to do. And then I had a homegirl that I deployed with because I was um I used to serve in the military for a little while. Um, she was started trading. So um, of course, me, you know, wanting to see what's going on, um, try to get into a wave um before it gets like super, super lit. Um, I took a look, see how everything was. I liked it. So I started trading, but I was trading for a multi-level marketing company. And um, I know y'all know how that is. So I'm not that tight to be trying to sell somebody a dream with things, but I like the concept as far as like trading in general. So um I was in it for a little while, um, got to the point where I was like, yeah, this is definitely not my my my way. So I got out of that uh and started trading independently. Um, but the way that I was learning how to trade for me personally, it wasn't um it wasn't fluctuating the way I needed it to. So um I started looking around on the internet and then I started actually um studying um and learning from um you guys may know him Ict. Yep, see.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Um I told you, I told you Ict is the way to go. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 2:17

Mikey's got a heart on now.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Icton, I've been trying to tell this motherfucker, you know what?

SPEAKER_03 2:23

Yeah, so like for me, man, I I I I picture like I actually picture trading and I like to describe it as art, right? So when it comes to people's trading style, everybody sees, for example, everybody sees art in different perspectives. It's still the same picture, but it's in different perspectives. So for me, what works with me the best are the concepts of what I learned from over there compared to the whole support and resistance, um animal patterns, um, all types of different trading styles and logic. Now it may work for others, but for me, from what I've learned, it's been the most consistent, the way I've been profitable from what I've learned. And I actually got to a point to where um I don't trade necessarily like like I trade from the inspiration of his ideas and what he put out there as far as like for logic and uh logic in the market, but I was able to formulate my own specific model um in which um I've been consistently profitable.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Oh, okay, because I was wondering. So I was wondering what which did you use one of his, or you just basically using the building blocks that he gives, like the PDAs, and you use those to kind of build your own.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

Uh great question. So for me personally, um, so there's a few different things that he put out there in the universe, such as New Week Opening Gaps, which um um if you if y'all, if whoever's uh re watching this right now, listening to this right now, um basically the way the formulation of um new week opening gaps work, when um the market closes, we all know that the market closes on on Fridays, opens up back on Sundays. But there's very pivotal points and levels, such as um once the market closes at five o'clock, which I like to do off a 30-minute time frame and 30 bit 30-minute intervals on the charts to where I put a horizontal ray uh right at the 6 uh 16:30, um, 4:30 p.m. time frame. And then on Sunday, when the market opens up at 1800 or 6 o'clock p.m. uh eastern standard time frame, um, I like to put another horizontal ray there. And then from there, I take a fib, and right at the between those two points, I like to put a midpoint of 50 at the 50 percent. That is a very pivotal level as far as on how I trade with my own style.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Don't give, don't give, don't, don't give Kwan too much, man. He don't like ICT, but he's not allowed to hear it. You know what I'm saying? He's not allowed to hear it. You know, listen.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

No, no, no, no, because every time I try to tell you, that's quite that's the way quan see that that uh that that that art, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Yeah, yeah, but he's not allowed to hear it. He's not allowed to hear it. All right, listen. So wait, hold on, man. No, let me get to a question because before we get into that, man, like I think for me, the most important parts are when not to trade and when to stay my ass out of the market, right? That's the part that I have trouble with. So, like, that's like not to interrupt. Like I said, I'm just I'm trying to avoid Kwan getting able to hear all the sauce, you know. So he need to go watch the 600,000 hours of videos on ICT and learn it for himself. So you lowballing it exactly.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

Oh man, don't don't start this, okay?

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Hold up, hold up. Now, I mean, did you you said it okay? It says meeting's been upgraded, but look, so so my thing is how do you know when to stay out of like what like which order blocks? I I I know which ones that I'm hearing him say, but it still seems like you know, it is it just the market environment right now that's like full of fake outs, it's it's completely manipulated, right? Like, even though you running into a fair value gap, you go ahead, you hit you, you're holding a 50%, you know, the consequent encroachment of that, you go ahead and enter, and then it might go up to maybe the the next it you know short-term high and then reverse. And it not only does it reverse, it reverses strong, right? Like you were completely wrong. And I'm trying to create an automated system where I use the uh institutional order flow entry drill as the entry for the system, and I've got it to where it's like a 45% win rate. However, currently in this March like regime that we're having, it's like it's madness, and it's it it seems like it's always a lie.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Now, great questions, and it's a great great observation as far as like what you're what you're saying. I'm gonna tell y'all, I'm gonna give y'all some some sauce with this. A lot of my a lot of my personal like wins lately, because I um I've been consistently profitable for a little while now. Um, I had to put some things on the back burner as far as personal stuff. But anybody why reading the uh listening to this right now, do not trade while you got personal shit going on. I don't care how good your model is, because majority of this is mental. Majority of this as far as like you being in and out of the market is mental. Man's trading is mental, FOMO mental. Um, um, like all this is a lot of majority of this is mental. So uh so y'all please stay out the market if you got personal issues going on, personal things you gotta handle, family, friends, relationships, the one you sleep to uh sleep with next to at night, every night, all that stay the hell out of the market. Now, with that being said, with that being said, a lot of this, a lot of my wins have been going into um time frames that are are not shown um initially on Trading View, for example. Oh, you mean like two minutes, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly. So a lot of times the real moves are within in between the lines as far as on the time frames. Not necessarily in the 15 minutes, not necessarily in the 30 minute, not necessarily in the one hour. I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell y'all this, right? I actually plan on, I shouldn't even be saying this, but I'm gonna say it now. I I plan on because with my my specific model that I that I put in place, I plan on shorting Bitcoin in the next three and a in a uh three months and in a few days. If the price point is below a certain mark on where I see I see uh which price at once it closed within that three-month time frame. Right. Because in a six-month time frame, a six-month interval, it's showing sale and sell selling potentially in the$25,000 to$30,000 below time from uh price. So what reason all I'm saying, all of this and whatnot, I'm just giving that as an example. Um it's a lot of a lot of price, if you look at it, you need to scale back a little bit more as far as for a high time frame.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

So what you may see as a as a sale, for example, or short, because you see a fair value gap entering into a a uh state of inefficiency or a state of of a low a lower price point or or uh lower lows or or equal uh uh uh equal low and whatnot. So because we we all know as far as like if you follow um smart money concepts, Ict, uh prices the reason prices is is is moving and it's moving in an algorithm. Like we we can't we can't fake the funk now. Like it's prices algorithmically structured, right? I'm sure we can all agree on that.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

No, I don't don't see he's not gonna agree, but I it's okay, it's okay.

SPEAKER_04 9:55

It's okay. But hold on, it's not okay. Listen, D, hold on, listen. You know, for a lot of the guests, I know we talked about this before and about um just how you're leveraging and your the prop firms. So let's kind of dive into that and pretty much give me like your your experience with the prop firms, you know, um trading uh uh passing the combines and then leveraging that and to really get you know really big days.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

Oh, yeah, absolutely. So uh so the first prop firm I started with was and it is it okay if I if I actually say their names?

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Yeah, yeah. Wait, wait, so we're just gonna skip over what he was saying and go to prop firms? Yeah, we're going to prop firms. Yeah, we'll come back, we can come back to the telling, you know what I'm saying? He's giving the whole damn Bible, and yeah, we okay, whatever, man.

SPEAKER_04 10:40

Whatever. Come on, because we gotta get in, let's get into prop firms here. I wanna get into prop firms here.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

Yeah, and anything can be edited too for sure, for sure. All right, that's cool. So um, so with the prop firms, I started off with um with um the on the forex side, uh the funded trader wasn't profitable, like um, being completely honest with you. Um the the rules and whatnot, it wasn't um wasn't um messing with me personally. So uh eventually, like I around that time I was trying to figure out okay, what what is it to trade? Because Forex, for some reason, for me personally, um, I'm having trouble with finding consistency. Um, just the way the markets move, um, just the fact that everything isn't like um what's the word I'm trying to say? Um, it isn't structured as far as with for consistency for me, basically.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

So now wait, so when let me just quit, so when you when you're doing Forex, are you using you know economic calendar, you're watching the interest rate, you're watching dollar index, you watching all of those things with it, you know, or is it kind of you just going off the charts like technical technical analysis?

SPEAKER_03 11:44

Yeah, so from what I was discovering with my own personal model, um, things were a lot simpler. For example, using NQ or NASDAQ, um, using NQ or ES or something of that nature, as far as index futures, um, where where, for example, New Week opening gaps happen all the time. Right. And for me personally, the move was more crisp compared to with Forex. Yeah. So, yeah. So, and again, Forex, I'm sure it's profitable for many, many people. For me personally, I like futures, which falls into the reason why I was looking for um futures prop firms. So I first started off with um with Take Profit Trader, um, which was uh very profitable for me in the beginning. Um, it was actually to the point where I'm gonna be vulnerable a little bit right now. My I was taking care of my one of the reasons I stopped trading for a little minute, I was taking care of my grandmother. Um, she unfortunately um could um she unfortunately was diagnosed with cancer, with lung cancer, um, where she was making too much. She was she she uh was making too much to get certain benefits. So it got to the point where I had to take care of her my own by myself mainly. Um so with that being said, um I kind of put trade into the on the hole because when I was trading with the fund trader, I'm gonna give y'all a story. And this again, if you got personal business, stay the hell out of the market. So I'm literally up over ten thousand dollars in a trade, right? And this was at the time that my grandmother was diagnosed with cancer. Mom had some stuff going on, little brother had some stuff going on, sister had some stuff going on in a relationship that's going on. I'm literally getting calls from doctors, nurses, and everybody in a span of 10 minutes while I was up ten thousand dollars in a trade. But it's to the point where I forgot I was in the trade, right? Damn, I go from up ten thousand dollars to being down two hundred in 10 minutes. Damn. Yeah, so that right there is uh that right there put a hold on things. So going back though to um take profit, the reason why I brought all of that up, um, so I was trading. Um my grandmother unfortunately passed away. Um and that during that yeah, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that, man. Um, so her funeral was coming up, she did not have life insurance, and we just found out about it. That was I don't know if she was watching me, but I made that which is still my career high as far as in the span of 21, 20 days, 21 days, three weeks. Um, I accumulated over thirty thousand dollars uh off of withdrawals for take profit. Nice, and and actually, and actually technically 21 days, I made 30,000. Wow, so yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

So now not not to interrupt, but when you're when you're making these kind of trades, yeah are how's your risk management, right? Like, are you using sound risk management or like if you uh in all honesty, are you over-leveraging, right? Or you trading in q instead of MNQ with a$2,000 account, and you just happen to get you know uh a good push, right? And if you do know that it's a good push or you know that it's gonna be a trending day, what are the things that you're using to because like the economic calendar, you would say, okay, you know, we got volatility in here, it's a volatility injection in the first 30 minutes, blah blah blah blah blah. Right. And then sometimes, like when I'm in using top step, I'll I'll hit you know a two, three thousand dollar trade, but it's because I'm over-leveraged, right? Like I'm not doing it right.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

Yeah. Now, uh, just again, I'm I'm an honest guy, man. Like, unfortunately, like 90%, and you you guys know this, 90-something percent of these gurus, these people that's trying to teach people how to trade, having these interviews and things like that. This bullshit, man. A lot of them they make their money off of affiliate links. We know this, right? So, um, so I'm gonna give you guys like the full port, like um, clear-cut answer, no, all as far as on um, and just nothing but the truth on this, man. Um, on for take profit, I was definitely over-leveraging. You know what I'm saying? Like this back in 2024 May. Um, yeah, I was definitely over-leveraging. Um, my my um my my risk of reward, I was I was so I was using$150,000 accounts, and I only had one at the time that I was using, I didn't copy trade at the time. It was literally just one that I made that money on. So uh I was I I want to say for me, using three minis for$150,000 account that's overlefting. People may stay different, and otherwise, for me, three minis is way too much. Nowadays, so for me nowadays and whatnot, and I and I and I and I um I feel like I'm a lot more organized, I'm a lot more um structured in regards to and a lot more consistent now compared to like back then. Um, so now I don't use 150,000 accounts, I keep them at 50,000. And I'm not going over many at all on those on those um those fifty thousand dollar accounts. On average, I'm only using five micros. Right. I'm on the MMQ now, not the NQ. Right, right. So uh, and it's it's a lot more organized, a lot more, um, a lot more. Um, I'm my risk management is a whole a whole lot better now.

SPEAKER_04 16:51

What what what made that shift though? Was it like more like did you blow up an account or one of the funded accounts, or like did you just say I needed a was that it was too much too distressful or something? Well, like what made you shift that okay, I gotta tone it down and really kind of put some boundaries there?

SPEAKER_03 17:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So uh just to be honest with you, so um back in 2024, like after like I withdrew that money, I was not consistent after that. You know, like I was I was still over leveraging eventually. I I like to put the market like this too, man. It's I like that I like to have the marketing analogies as far as like the the world that we see every day, right? So, like for example, I was joking around saying that the market is like art and everybody sees the world uh sees the art in different perspectives and whatnot. You can be profitable, you can't be uh you can't be profitable, but some people some people make money off support resistance. I salute you. You know what I'm saying? Um me personally, I see the market different to where to where I'm I'm profitable in my own way. So with that being said, um, in regards to what you do, the question you just asked, I like to look at the market as far as like going across the street in traffic. Right? So for me, I was I made my profit by walking across the street and and it's cars coming in different directions and whatnot. I unfortunately wanted to cross the street again after all the disrespectfully crossed the street right with with with cars coming, and I got text.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Right. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 18:22

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

I got hit, I got hit, hit dough. Yeah, I got hit.

SPEAKER_04 18:27

You got no insurance, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

No, with no car insurance, no, no medical insurance, no nothing.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yeah, because I use I use a different analogy, like when when you say it's like looking at art, I say everybody, it's like when you go learn, you going up to going up the stairs to go meet Pi May, right from Kill Bill, and then you learn his fighting, he teaches you how to fight, but in the end, it's still your own personal kung fu style because it's you, everybody's trade. I you could give somebody the exact steps to do, and they're still gonna do it different because it's not you, right? Right, so and then you said the the crossing the street thing, that's that's a big problem that I have as well. It's like I'll have a fantastic day, and then the greed kicks in, and I'm like, man, I could get a little bit more, come in and lose the whole shit for the whole day.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

Yep, yep, and that was the the greed for me, and and another thing too, man. For me, on another reason why I wasn't profitable during that time frame, man. Um, growing up, well, I I'm pretty sure we're all black that's on the um that's uh on the on the on this call right now, right? All three of us, yeah. Like my black too. I know Quan, I know you, I know I know your situation.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

So this is what we do, man.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

This is what we do. Nah, but uh I know like growing up, as far as like when we've grown up, you get punched in the mouth, you're gonna be ready to fight back immediately. You know what I'm saying? Right in the market, it don't work like that. Exactly. Yeah, so so for me and everything, I was fighting childhood stuff as far as like, hey, I get punched in the mouth, I gotta fight back on pussy, or I'm a bitch, or or something, right? Right, so you gotta you gotta fight back. You can't do that within these trading markets and in these trading conditions because your whole your hole is gonna get worse. It's like quicksand, the more you fight now, the more deeper you're gonna be in the issue in an issue.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Yeah, I always I always said it like um my my way of saying that was that you know, um, say if you play fighting with somebody and they they slap you real hard in the back of the head, right? And you turn around and you chase their ass, but they're faster than you, so you're chasing them all day, and then at the by the end of the day, they get behind a door or a gate or something and lock it, and you can't get to their ass no more. After you chase them around, they slap the shit out of you. Yep, and you're chasing them around all day trying to get them back, and that whole time you're losing money, getting more frustrated, getting angrier, and then still at the end of the day, they just beat you, and that's all there is to it.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Yep, indeed. Yeah, absolutely right. And that uh, my friend, is why I wasn't consistently profitable up to uh a few months ago and whatnot, as far as like in this market. Now, going back to uh, and that that's pretty much that pretty much sums it up right there, man. Um that's yeah, that yeah, that's fine. Find the consistency as in finding your trading windows as far as on when you're looking to trade. Um, first more than more importantly, making sure your mental is grounded and whatnot before you before you step foot into this market, especially in live conditions. Um, from there is actually uh developing a model of consistency uh as far as like what you're trading, um, risking risking and leveraging properly and whatnot. That's a major, that's a major key right there. Because a lot of us, if you I'm I'm pretty sure you guys had a few times, especially if you trade prop firms, to where your model uh you didn't trade your model, or you thought your model was there, but you didn't do proper analysis, right? So the trade happens, it goes completely against you. You risk you're you're you're over leverage. And whatnot, but try to get your funds back on the next trade. Right. Instead of actually sitting back and actually and seeing why you took that L and whatnot, as far as in the trade. So now your account's blown, right? Because you over-leveraged, you over-traded, and trying to revenge trade, try to get that money back, and then you lose it twice, you lose, lose twice as much by doing that. And then guess what? Your trade goes in your direction.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Exactly. Exactly. It's the I'm telling you, like I always be saying, man, it's the worst and the best thing I've ever done. It's the most difficult thing. It'll teach you all about yourself. It'll unit what unsurface or whatever the word is. You got to get like deep internal discovery introspection. Because your beliefs about money and your beliefs and your childhood traumas, just like you said, all of that shit comes out. And if you try to fight it in the market, you're fighting yourself. But keep taking your money. Facts.

SPEAKER_03 22:55

Facts. This is like the the the most child this trading. And granted, I was in the medical field when I was in the navy. Like I've I've I've seen people pass that I got close with while I was in the medical field. Um, I've I've had to I've had to um uh perform certain procedures and whatnot. Um, I had to be in the field with Marines um when I was in the navy because I was greenside with them. Um so I I seen some things, right? So and with that all being said, trading has been the most challenging feat and the most challenging uh objective, better yet, I've had to complete ever in my life. Yeah, yeah. Because it forces you, it forces you to fix yourself. Right, exactly. You either it's either you either gonna drown or you're gonna figure it out, or you're gonna quit. You have no, it's no other option. Right.

SPEAKER_04 23:47

Let me ask you, man, like what how do you like, you know, I think we all we all feel it, like we've felt the pain, you know, with trading and stuff like that. And you know, I've I've had so many times I wanted to quit, you know, so many times like I'm like, you know, fuck this. Um I just can't do it no more. I mean, so like what do you do? Like, like what's your things like that you kind of do, not to go super deep, but like you know, what do you do to kind of cope and you know, kind of stay in it and like what's your techniques to kind of keep it keep your head in the game with trading?

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Well, he's profitable now, so I ain't got no problem.

SPEAKER_04 24:23

Hey, but hey, and this is what some of you talk about, Mike, but it's like, you know, hey, yeah, you can be profitable, and you know, I definitely, you know, I hope uh stay consistent, but you know, with this these markets, like it's it's never fucking guaranteed. You know, it's the next day is never guaranteed that you're gonna have a profitable day, you know. It can be, you know, so you like you said, you gotta manage those days when you are losing and making sure you're not delusional and keep your your losses tight because you're gonna have days you're gonna lose, you know, you're gonna lose a bit of money. I think yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

I think like uh it's to me, it feels like I always lose, right? It doesn't matter. And I was talking about this yesterday, it doesn't matter if it's a winning trade, a losing trade. If I I hit it to the moon, I was like, damn, I could have had more on that, or I should have held it a little bit longer, right? And I know that like me, my perfectionist sort of mentality and the never satisfied sort of thing are like two, those are like the two biggest things I gotta work on right now to get to get right. Like I'm I can see the light, I'm almost there, right? Like it's rare now when I take a bad trade, and if it is a bad trade, it's only like uh you know a hundred bucks loss at the most, right? Normally it's like 20 something, 30 because of the structure. I can tell when it's gonna go in opposite of what I think it's going, and I can tell quickly, right? So it's like my questions for somebody who's successful in it are more like what are those points, right? Like, how how do you how do you kind of cut your trades? How do you um like when once you win, what's your max loss limit? What's your max target limit? Like, how do you like I need the the the the mentality of someone that wins, right? Like, because I feel like there's it's hard to find a mentor in here. And no, I do I use Ict to learn kind of the his his SMC, but yeah, to have somebody that's actually in there doing it right, I feel like I need a post-scrum every single day. I need to speak to this person and kind of like with a coach, and they say, Well, let me look at your trade. What did you do? Like, why do you think you did that wrong? What do you think happened, right? And I need like, what do you have any community like that? Do you have anybody that you had that helped you come up like that, or was it all by yourself?

SPEAKER_03 26:31

Uh, great questions, man. And uh, I'm gonna be honest with you. Uh, I got a I got a friend of mine, the one that that told me about trading. We trade completely opposite. But like uh me and her, we chop it up every now and again. But in regards to um trading and learning this, I learned on my own. Um as far as ICT was an inspiration, uh, he is the inspiration to the model that I discovered. And I and I discovered on my own, uh, with his with uh certain pointers that he said look at. Um, but in regards to like trading, I had to go through this on my own, man. I had to go through, I had to go through these L's. I had to go through um financially at one point, not being in the best situation. Yeah, uh, I had to go through uh I had to go through all of this, man. I had to go through uh again going up going again on the personal side, I had to go through personal issues and whatnot, and which uh I had to get through.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

I had to get through at because there's no shortcuts, there are no shortcuts, just no shortcuts at all, man. How long did it take you before you found consistency?

SPEAKER_03 27:32

Uh well um let's see here. So I'm gonna I'm gonna just go I'm gonna briefly go through this, man. Um, so I started trading in 2020. Um my first I've been through a lot of highs and lows with trading, man. So my first literally, and this is like the best and worst thing that happened to me. So I made six thousand in my first month and a half of trading, no shit, and uh, in a KOT broker, live trading. I turned a$300 account into into six thousand dollars in less than actually in less than three days. Damn. So you out there, you just you just take the fucking trade. Yeah, so I'ma tell you, right? I'm gonna say now it was luck. It was all the way luck. I was in the right place at the right time, man. And it was the best and worst thing that could happen to me. But the best thing was, hey, I know this is real, I know this is legit because I just withdrew it. And what um and and was able to use that money, but it was the worst thing because I'm thinking home runs are gonna be every day when it's not the case. We have to focus on basics, right? So the with it took me, it took me years because I was learning the information the wrong way from this most level marketing company. I'm not gonna give the name, um, but I was I was learning from there, and it was folks that didn't know it was a blind lead in a blind place basically. People weren't consistently profitable and whatnot, but of course, they was making money off of between affiliates as far as getting people in the business and whatnot, as far as a way of making money. Some people were making money, but a lot I didn't see any like too often of people actually uh making money off of trading. So, so from there, you're learning certain things that aren't consistent with what you're trying to do. So, it took the reason I brought all that up. It literally took me a year to learn the wrong stuff, it took me two years to unlearn the wrong stuff, and it took me a year, some change to two years to learn the right stuff that was best for me. So, I'm gonna say consistently profitable. I'm gonna say it it just started a few uh a month two months ago almost.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Gotcha. Me being consistently profitable, and that that kind of tracks with what I hear, like people like Ict and people that are being real with you, like uh SMB and stuff like that. Like they're saying there's no way that somebody could do this for real and not give like two years of doing it, going hard at it, and then you'll start seeing the the because it's like training to be an athlete, it's not it's not something you could just like and some people get it like that, right? Like, but it it doesn't work like that for a lot of people. There was something else you said, but I forgot. I know I want to give Raquan a chance to say something that he had to say, but I I got another question, I just forgot what it was.

SPEAKER_03 30:12

Do you think do you think?

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Yep, y'all, y'all ask away, man.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

No, yeah. I mean, so I'm assuming that the first uh the marketing firm, whatever, it was an ICT shop. So you didn't know Ict then? No, I didn't. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

It was it was literally uh support and resistance, um, animal patterns, um um harmonic patterns. That's the that's the that's the proper term for it. So things of that nature and whatnot, as far as on what the way I was trading at first. Um, and uh if again, my first time I was profit within that that first month to uh month or two, um, where I made that six thousand, I was luck, man. Right place at the right time, over-leveraged my ass off.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

And would you using like like the ICT concepts like like really strongly then, or you just kind of just nah, he said it wasn't he wasn't, I didn't even know who Ict was.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

Okay, I think if I seen that acronym, I mean what the hell is this?

SPEAKER_00 31:08

That's what that's exactly the same shit that happened to me.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

Like what like what what is it?

SPEAKER_00 31:12

You know, that's exactly what happened to me. People kept saying Ict, Ict. I'm like, uh Ict and SMC. I talked to my one boy, I was like, yo, people keep saying this Ict. Like, what what kind of style is that? Like, what what I thought it was a a trading strategy, and he was like, nah, that's a dude. And he sent me the link. And then so with my first three months, I was using the uh the Andrew Tate, the real world, and there was a dude on there named Ayush, and he was teaching um how to trade, and that's where I really learned how to trade at first. And within my first six months, I made 30 grand. So just like you, I was like, Oh shit, I got this, right? And then what then I was like, I could probably do this without Ayush. And as soon as I like I made 30 the first year because I started late, and then the second year I lost 70. Right, and then then I found ICT, yeah, and then I started learning like everything that I usually was teaching. Either he knew Ict in the background, he used he used SMC in the background and wasn't saying that, or it just so happens that his stuff was aligning with what ICT teaches because I don't care what nobody says, like you said, everybody's got their own truth, and as long as you believe it, it'll work for you. Absolutely. But to me, when I was like, So, how the fuck the the the candle's pumping for for two hours straight, then all of a sudden everybody decides to stop and start selling at the same time, like that's bullshit. There's no way that that could be how it works.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

And then I found Ict, and it's I'm like, I keep trying to tell Verquad, I'm like, yo, you need to start from 2016 and watch the whole shit. Yeah, and you'll you'll see the matrix.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

And I'm I'm gonna say this, I'm glad you brought that up. So, uh, for me and everything, uh, and I think we add you asked me this earlier in regards to when do you know when to get out? When do you know when do you know when to start and when to stop and when to stay out and when to stay out. So for me and everything, I see the market as far and in in in uh Michael Ict, he said say the same thing, and I got it from from this. He said that the market only is on it's only moving for two purposes, only looking to to to get somewhere through two purposes, either liquidity or or balance or balance of an imbalance. Right? So when for me on my um my my particular model that I that I apply for I apply for myself, um I the way I know that the market that is done is when prices already got to an area of inefficiency, basically, either through balancing and imbalance or through areas of liquidity. That's it. Wait, say that one more time. Say that's back up, say that roof rewind up in five seconds. Price is basically either getting to area of liquidity or to to imbalance a balance.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

And you said when you start, you said basically you you you're starting in an imbalance, or you know that you're looking to balance an imbalance or whatever, right? Like I there was a second part that you said that I that I missed. Right. Right, hold on to say that again, I'm sorry. Yeah, you said you said there's something like when I start, I know that I know and you said I think you said something about when I when I start, I'm looking to balance an imbalance. I understand liquidity and and inefficiencies, but what when is it when you don't see any inefficiencies or when you don't see any liquidity? Is that when you stay out, right? Correct because I feel like me playing around in the market trying to make something that's not there is why I lose 70% of the time.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

Yep, and and that's that's an absolute fact, man. A lot of us we uh we want to force the market to do what we want it to do when it's time for us to get in there, right? And and and I struggled with that for years, as far as um something that I I want to be there so bad, in my eyes, I make it happen, and the market says, uh-uh, nah, try again, motorsucker. Try again, motherfucker. Yeah, but no, so like that that's what um that's basically what that sums everything up right there. Is like, is your model like how many times have you have you structured your model to where it it worked out as far as in previous market conditions? Yeah, and again, is um, are you looking to get the um are you looking to hold on for a second, yes?

SPEAKER_00 35:39

I told you you need to fuck with ICT. I told you, I told you, I told you. Man, fucking ICT shit, man. That's the same. Like the ICT, you you heard what he said, right? Like ICT isn't there to teach you how to trade, he's there to teach you how to look at the market, and when and then even that thing that you sent me, that that that link that you sent me to the underground, whatever I was, it they set it in there. They was like the lens through which you look at the market makes all the difference, it's vital. Because if you're looking at it from a retail perspective and you're looking at it from like the way that they teach in the books, and the way that all of the fake ass people teach it, right? You you're going that's why they say nine out of ten people fail, is because nine out of ten people all read the same shit. And that is wrong. That is wrong.

SPEAKER_04 36:31

The thing about it is, and uh I talk about this all the fucking time.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

I feel like I'm bad guys whenever y'all, whenever y'all need to.

SPEAKER_04 36:38

Oh, okay. So so the great point. And no, this is something that you know I'll kind of want to bring up, is that we I talk about this all the time just as a trader. Like, there's so much information, and and Mike, Mike wants to be a fucking PhD of the trading, the stock markets, he wants to be like, he wants to know everything, right? And I told him it's like, you know, my personal belief is that you don't need to know everything, and I think it's it it is so much information out there that you can muddy your mind and your clarity of the markets and what you're seeing in the markets because if you're trying to analyze all these different setups and stuff at one time, you know, you're gonna start taking all types of setups rather than the setups that work for you and your A plus setup. So now I know you're ICT trader, so and Mike's ICT trader, so I'm not really an ICT trader, but that's cool, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that's probably listening that might be ICT traders. So let me ask you like, what do you think is something that most ICT traders probably overcomplicate about ICT?

SPEAKER_03 37:41

Uh analysis paralysis. Uh learn learning so much to the point to where like you're not making moves now, or you're learning so much and whatnot, that we're again trying to perfect everything. Uh trying to basically be a uh it's so pivotal and behoving to be a master over mediocre and many. So they a lot of people try to learn every single thing it has to do about ICT to the point where they're confusing themselves to discover their own model. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 38:16

Yeah, that's uh that's a really good point.

SPEAKER_03 38:18

Yeah, so I I know for me personally, I was I was struggling through that in the very beginning because it's it is a lot of information. But the main thing is is find something that works for you create a mo create your own model out of it, and then just stick with that. You don't have to know the variables of of a of a of a of a uh uh of a of all the order blocks and things of that nature, because I don't personally understand and know all the order blocks, but I know the model that works for me and it's it's consistent, and I'm gonna go ahead and stick with that.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Right. So yeah, that's the that's the difficult part though, right? Like, so you see, for me, since I'm an I'm an engineer, you know, by by like an architect, sort of by nature, right? And if I'm kind of feel like I'm guessing, I don't that's not good enough for me, right? Like if I I yes, if it's if it's working, it's working, that's fine. But I want to know why that motherfucker's working. I don't want to just be in there kind of like it works, you know what I'm saying? So I do it. And I'm not saying that's what you do, I'm not saying that's what you do, I'm not saying that's what anybody does. But me personally, that's why I think Raquan always has like this thing. He's like, Man, you're trying to be a PhD. I'm like, no, I'm just trying to know what the fuck I'm doing. Like, just like when I'm coding a uh an app, how are you gonna pick up JavaScript and start coding and and make something that's structurally sound and scalable if you don't know the language that you're using and you're just whipping some shit together? Like I I don't know, I can't do it. Just like when he uh I was not understanding like buying and selling pressure and support and resistance. I man, this shit works a 10 two out of 10 times. Like, what the fuck is going on until I learned to watch ICT and he explained to me the inefficiencies and the imbalances and the liquidity, it was the reason why the market now when I look at the candles and I'm looking at the market, I can see it. My my part right now is the um the emotional I got you right, like if I jump in and it keeps going and I get I get shaken out all the time. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_03 40:21

So my thing is is like for one, what is what is being leveraged, what is being risked. You know what I'm saying? Whatever that you're risking right now, you might need to go down the contract size a little bit. That's what that's what I would like. Either contract size if you use futures or or a lot size if you if you use a forex uh structure, things of that nature, uh for the forex concept uh and whatnot, go from there. But um a lot of this is is is risking. Um and I find that, for example, when I use maybe five micros for a$50,000 account, that worked for me because now I know that hey, I can't I can't lose. I know if I lose 30 points, I want to say, or 25 to 30 points, that'll be around$500. I don't want to lose more than that. Or I or actually it might be a little bit less than that. Uh I don't want to lose more than that. You know what I'm saying? So I know that hey, by five micros, that's the most I'm I'm willing to lose as far as for 30 points.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

Right.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

So now I can I can put okay, now I can do a one to one or one point five or two to one because now I'm looking for 30 points to uh to 50 points or 60 points and whatnot for the trade. That's it. Right. So it's it's all up this good.

SPEAKER_04 41:37

Are you always using five? Like, is that like your standard size, or you are you sizing based on the day or the setup?

SPEAKER_03 41:46

Uh so I'm I'm sizing based on on if all everything that I'm looking on that model is checked off efficiently. If everything, if it's an A plus setup, then I'm looking to do five to maybe even seven micros at the most, right? Okay. Um at the most. Like I'm not going over that, especially uh and I'm only I'm only increasing my my contract size if I'm in profit already, as far as on a certain point. Okay. So um, like let's say for example, I'm up um four thousand four thousand dollars as far as on on my on my part firm account, right? Then I feel more comfortable with with increasing my size, like four to five thousand. Um, and now I'm I'm more confident in increasing my size a little bit um to uh as far as leveraging. But I'm not I'm not over-leveraging anything anymore because I realize that by the time I over-leverage, I'm losing, right? And if I lose to the point where I'm out the game, and now my conscience now my my trade actually happens, then what? Now I look stupid. That shit hurts, man. That shit hurts. It hurts, it hurts. I don't want to feel like that no more. Yeah, I don't want to feel that pain no more. Uh like like like the work that you put in and is is all done with because of poor risk management and poor um mechanics and intangibles while you're in the market. So it it are it. I say that and I I tell my friend this, I tell anybody that listens, man. Uh, I don't want people to be like this, but the majority of traders, we are like this. It is what it is. It's gonna take it's gonna take a point to where you lose a certain amount to where you either gonna get this from one of my favorite movies, uh hood movies, right? You either get down or lay down. Everybody gets to the point, everybody gets to the point to where uh like financially to where you lose a certain amount, to where it either gonna shit or get off the pot.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

So for me, I hit that mark. You know what I'm saying? And it got to the point where I had to have a uh uh a self talk in the mirror to be like, hey, what you gonna do, man? You can't lose no more than this, man. That's a that's a good point.

SPEAKER_04 43:58

Exactly, exactly. That's a good point. Like, and like we and we look back at it, because I like I know as traders, man, we always even my trading coach he said this it's like, you know, even when you make a mistake and you'll say, I'm never gonna do that again, you can never say you're never gonna do it again because you're gonna do it again. And it's just like you know, you just have to kind of be more aware of it and just kind of try to make it less of a of an impact of a mistake. So, like my question is like, what is the mistake if you're looking back that you kept repeating, repeating, and repeating until it finally clicked that you just either just stopped it or you kind of just tone it down. Like, what was the mistake that you kept doing? Like a lot of times.

SPEAKER_03 44:43

Uh, I'm gonna be honest with you. So it's not creating barriers for myself to keep from making the mistakes. Yep. It's like for example, right? I used to trade on my phone, right? I made I made you one of those guys. Yeah, I was one of those guys. Yeah, I was trading for my phone, man. Had a computer and everything, man. Had a night night one of those long screen monitors and all that, you know what I'm saying? And still was trading on my phone as far as the execution. Right. That was one of my issues right there, and I had to stop it. You know what? And like this this this recent um uh run as far as like the where like I'm I'm consistently becoming consistently profitable as far as in trading. Um, I'm trading strictly off my computer. I deleted my app, I deleted the trade of bait app, I deleted um I I damn damn near deleted um Trading View from my phone, right? To the point to the point where I'm only conducting business on my on my computer. Yeah that it in my in my office space on my at my desk, uh, and that's it. Another thing that I had to do as far as I went again creating barriers, um times that I I I tilt and whatnot, as far as or or I get to the point of where I'm trying I make my money for the day and I'm trying to get back in because I'm greedy, I remove myself from out of the environment in order for me to do to do something that's gonna that's gonna keep me from uh from being consistently proper. Yeah, or it's gonna keep me from being in danger with myself. So for example, or addicts, right? Like again, I like to put everything in real life situations. Somebody who's an addict, if they're if they're in the vicinity of where a drug is, they're more likely to use that drug, right? So, for example, in regards to trading, if you already made your money for the day, why the hell are you gonna be in the environment to trade if that could you could be in a position of trying to get more money now? You already made your mark for the day. So so so stay the hell out of it, stay out of the environment to trade, which is why I got rid of any type of trading apps for my phone. So then I'm not in the middle of a date, and I see a trade, I get a trade alert, and now I want to trade and why I'm in the middle of a date now.

SPEAKER_00 46:57

That's uh I mean it's the hardest thing, but like it's like what you said though, it's like you're saving yourself from yourself, exactly, and that's what's so crazy about the market. It's you the only person I hear people say, because you're in there battling with this person. No, you're battling yourself the whole time, you know what I'm saying? And I noticed uh quan, I know you said this before, and I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not disproving you or anything, but when you said, you know, you're still gonna make the mistakes. I read, I forget which book it was, I think it was The Mountain Is You or something like that. It was one of those kind of books where it said you will continue doing the same thing until you actually change that part of your personality to like where you like when somebody says, like, I don't know if y'all eat pork, but I I I don't, right? And I remember there used to be a time like back, you know, 20-something years ago, I would slip up every now and then until it was like, Look, I don't eat it. And since then, I've never touched it. It has to become a part of you, and then you won't make the mistake anymore. So then it's like once you come, and it's like he said, when you look it in the mirror, and it's like you gotta have that talk with yourself. Like, look, man, like, are you stupid, retarded? Not, you know, excuse me, saying retarded if it hurts anybody's feelings, offends anybody, you know. Like, are you stupid or what? Like, what's your problem as to why you can't stop doing this? Do you not have self-control? And you really gotta be like honest and blunt, honest with yourself. And that's like I've been there so many times, and it's like, how much how much more, like, how many more faults do I still have before I can get this right? And but I think the main thing that you're saying is don't trade when you got shit going on in your life and being unemployed like a motherfucker is a thing going on in your life.

SPEAKER_02 48:34

Yeah, absolutely right about it.

SPEAKER_04 48:36

You know, for some reason, I just had an image of a puppy and yelling at a puppy, and and the puppy's looking at you, and you're asking it like, so why did why did you eat the shoe? You know what I mean? It's like and it's just looking at you like it's not saying nothing because that's how I look looking, that's how you look in the mirror, like, why the fuck I keep doing this? And it's like you're looking back at yourself like I ain't got nothing to say, bro. I don't know. Right, I ain't got nothing to say, like you know it because it hurts so much, and it's like, I think for me, no, and it just for my truth, it's just like something that I repeatedly, repeatedly did was be a cowboy, like cowboy trade, and like either just like you know, fuck it, like, or just try to inflict my will on the market and say, okay, let me let me let me go exercise on this trade so I can get back some of the money I lost. And then and a lot of times I did that is when I blew down my account. And for some reason, it it's still in me, like you know, just still in me. Like that cowboy is still in me. And this, yeah, it's a lot of self-work and stuff. So, I mean, some some things are not as easy to just kind of like just cut off, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:50

Oh, yeah. I mean, because that they call it shadow work, right? Shadow work is when you're doing introspection and you go, like, I think the uh Scientologists do it too, where they they talk to somebody, I think it's called like an auditor, and they go back like into their psyche and their subconscious and try to find all of the things that um you have bad energy attached to, right? And you have to kind of like keep digging and digging and digging and digging and digging until you uncover the the seed that created that that creates that mentality part of you that makes you a cowboy, right? You have to find what that is, and you have to either like reshape it, reform it, get the get whatever's negative energy out of it to kind of like to change that tree, right? Because the tree has grown. Like that's what I say. You plant a seed, it grows into a tree, and the longer you do it, the stronger and bigger the tree becomes. So, you know, at first, if you catch it early, you could chop down a baby tree real quick. But if you if you got a fucking redwood there because you've been doing it for 30 years, then that's a lot more difficult to take care of, right? And some of these things, like the money is the root of all evil. Um, it you know, you got to be a criminal. There's always wherever there's a fortune, there's a crime, like all of that kind of shit that you get taught when you're a kid, that's still in your brain. And you subconsciously, if like and I've even heard that like when you're journaling stuff and you're journaling journaling it negatively, and you're putting negative emotion behind the mistakes that you made, when instead of putting positive energy behind the mistakes that you've made and how you're gonna learn from them, your subconscious will do things to try to avoid the the lesson that you learned because you associated it with a negative outcome, right? And it or it happens the same way. If you like, oh, I got a good trade, you know, say I made$5,000 or whatever, whatever, but it was a luck trade, or you were over-leveraged, your mind will look it, it's a goal-seeking mechanism, it will look for those opportunities to give you what you want, and you will take and you will do it again because you've associated positive energy to that to that habit. It's crazy how psychological trading is, and it fucks me up all the time because I think I got my shit together, but it shows me every day like no, you don't, no, you don't.

SPEAKER_03 52:16

I got I got something, I got something for you guys, right? So, um, for example, this is something that personally works with me now to this day. I had a I had to have a mental shift um in regards to keeping doing this, uh basically going through insanity, doing the same thing, um, the same thing over and over and over again, expecting a different result and whatnot, in which uh I was going through with my own trade. So I had to have a shift as far as from childhood all the way up to now. Um, for example, I was in the kitchen one time and my arm got burnt. I have a scarf um since then that I look at every every day, right? Because I got burnt. Um, and my mom told me, do not be in that kitchen. I did, and I burnt myself. And then I had another situation to where the same same thing, kid. I was a badass kid. Um always doing the opposite of when somebody tried to tell me what to do, as far as like that, that was that was loaded in me, right? So I don't know why, but it was a case. So I had a time where I was trying to grab a football from my my older cousin's room and he left his iron on, right? I burnt my arm that same arm, you know what I'm saying? Uh, in a separate situation. Those two times right there, to this day, I know that hey, if the if the uh pay attention to hot things from here on out, or you'll burn your arm, right? And I felt the pain, right? And then the same thing in regards to hey, if you see an iron, check to see if it's on. So I felt the pain, right? Y'all see where I'm getting, y'all see where I'm coming at now, right? So again, like pain, unfortunately, for some people, they can get through it without having to deal with the pain as far as like with losing money and trading, or just taking losses. But what we have to do as far as for us anybody that wants to be like profitable in this and be consistently profitable in this is know that a losses are gonna happen. It's okay to take an L, but think of it as a lesson instead of a loss. Put yourself in an environment to where you leverage enough to where if you take that lesson, it's not gonna hit you to the point where you feel like you lost everything. And the reason why you feel like you may have lost everything is because you leverage too much. So that was my so that's my main thing right there. And that's something that I personally had to had to get through is um is changing things as far as because the market is literally a mirror to your life, right? Once you get to a certain part, the market is literally a mirror. So for me and everything, I had to figure out where what am I doing wrong and how can I again place barriers on myself from me punching my own self out? So for y'all, what I what I wanna I wanna like put out there to give to y'all, anybody that's listening to this, what barriers are you are you putting it out for yourself? Are you following a trading plan? Are you following your model? Are you trading during the time windows that you statistically seeing your setup happen over and over and over again? Are you at the point to where you're trading to where it's boring now? Are you trading to where you lost the excitement feeling off of winning and losing a trade? Those once you get there, this everything starts to slow down. Like if anybody that played football, that ever quarterback, that things of that nature, right? The game, so even basketball, right? The game slows down. And once you get to the point of slowing down when it comes to learning that skill and repeating that same skill over and over again, that's when things become more consistent. And again, I'm gonna say it again barriers, setting barriers for yourself to keep you from messing up. Woo!

SPEAKER_04 56:06

Man, hey, love that profit, man. Hey, hey, that's that's real pain and profit right there, man. That's real pain and profit right there, baby. Damn, hey man, D man, we appreciate you, man. Come up here and dropping these gems on us for us, man.

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Yeah, you got to come back, man, because uh I I I that was enough. I need more, man.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man. And I wish I could, I I could have been more, but no pun intended, but I would I wish I could have been more consistent with uh being on the call and paying and having um and where I'm just focused on this. I got trees getting cut um near my yard, um, and whatnot. So I'm having to talk to people and then family and things of that nature. Y'all know how it goes, but I know in the next interview for sure, uh, I'm gonna make sure to uh to be in my office and and which um there can be no interruption. You know what I'm saying? And uh I can I can provide any information that you guys need to where or anybody that's listening right now to where it like we can all be consistently profitable because that's the that's the that's the nature that it's cool to make you know a few thousand dollars here, a few thousand dollars there, but let's let's make money and make and let's make more money than we lose. Awesome, man.

SPEAKER_04 57:19

Damn, much appreciated, brother. Appreciate it, man. Hey, thanks, man. So yeah, we're gonna wrap this call up, man. Uh definitely we'll have this uh posted on um uh Spotify. Uh you can check it out. I'm definitely also on YouTube as well, on the pain and profit channel. So we'll have this up there um this week. Uh but again, man, appreciate it. Definitely. All right. RD, take care, bro. Peace.