Why Jiu-Jitsu Athletes Secretly Need Pilates | Shelley Hardin | Game Plan Ep. 024

In this episode, we sit down with Shelly Hardin — a physical therapist, Pilates instructor, and jiu-jitsu athlete — for a conversation that goes way deeper than just rehab and recovery. We get into how she found jiu-jitsu, what it’s like training in Austin, the difference between traditional schools and Danaher’s room, and why Pilates might actually be one of the most underrated tools for grapplers.  

We also talk through mobility vs stability, neck training, common injuries in jiu-jitsu, bad posture from phones and screens, and why so many people are training around problems they don’t fully understand. Shelly breaks down how she works with athletes, what she sees on the mat, and why a lot of fighters could move and recover way better with the right approach.  

The second half of this one goes into some deeper territory too — mental health, bipolar disorder, chronic pain, emotional stress, and how all of that can show up in the body. We also get into some more out-there ideas around biofields, vibration, modern health, diet, and why jiu-jitsu helps so many people far beyond just the physical side of training.  

This one’s part movement talk, part rehab talk, part life talk — and a really fun episode all around.


0:00:00 Gym Politics, Training Rooms, and Why People Leave
0:02:00 Jiu-Jitsu Was Her Escape From an Unhappy Marriage
0:06:00 She Started Jiu-Jitsu Because the Gym Was Boring
0:10:00 Gracie Barra vs Danaher: The Truth About Both
0:13:00 Why Strong Fundamentals Still Beat Fancy Moves
0:18:00 Pilates Was Created by a Fighter?!
0:21:00 Why Most Jiu-Jitsu Guys Secretly Need Pilates
0:29:00 Mobility vs Stability: Almost Everyone Gets This Wrong
0:35:00 Hypermobile vs Stiff Athletes: Who Gets Hurt More?
0:39:00 The 3 Injuries Destroying Jiu-Jitsu Athletes
0:46:00 Her Bipolar Diagnosis Changed Everything
0:51:00 Biofields, Tuning Forks, and the Line Between Science and Woo Woo
1:00:00 How PT Helped Him Trust His Body Again
1:06:00 From Dancer to Physical Therapist to Grappler
1:12:00 What’s Actually Broken About Physical Therapy
1:17:00 Phones, Sitting, and “Text Neck” Are Wrecking People
1:22:00 Dead Butt Syndrome Is Real
1:26:00 “You’re Doing It Wrong”: Why Exercise Form Matters
1:42:00 The Carnivore Diet Actually Worked?
1:55:00 Why Jiu-Jitsu Is So Good for Mental Health

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome back to another episode of Game Plan the Podcast. I'm your host, Davis Cole, and joined as always by our host Juice. Yo. Today's guest is a Pilates instructor, a physical therapist, and a jiu-jitsu athlete. Please welcome to the podcast, Shelly Hardin.

unknown 0:15

That's Cole.

SPEAKER_04 0:19

I'm at Kingsway still currently, and I'm a hobbyist, but like the caliber of training partners there is just so high. Yeah, I bet. You know? Yeah. Um, so I feel like a white belt, you know, even though I've been training for eight years. I'm I'm purple belt currently.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

But like awesome.

SPEAKER_04 0:38

But you know, um, yeah, so it's a it's kind of tough. And then, you know, of course, women training.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Yeah, it's never easy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

It's a whole other ball game.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Hey, you've stuck it with it for eight years.

SPEAKER_04 0:51

Yeah, I'm still gonna keep going. I mean, I'm not I'm not I'm not gonna quit. You know, there's definitely been times where I've slowed down because of certain politics and whatnot.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

What was the longest um like break you've taken from it from training?

SPEAKER_04 1:06

Um, so I've never taken I I don't think I've taken a full-on break. It may be like two weeks of no class, but usually it's like I'll go like once a week, you know, at least twice a week. But I was like, when I was training with John, um, when I was married, by the way. Are we on?

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Oh, we are, yeah. Perfect.

SPEAKER_04 1:26

Um uh perfect. Because yeah, when I was married, I was in a unhappy marriage, we'll say it, we'll put it that way. And I was really, it was like an escape for me, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

So I was uh oh is this a is it when when that was not a callback to you and your relationship, that is a callback to our previous conversations about oh like blue we've talked about this a lot where you get into jujitsu and especially if you have like an unhappy relationship, it is the escape.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

It's an escape, right? Oh, so I'm not the only one. Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

No.

SPEAKER_04 2:01

So I was trading like 10 times a week, like legit, like you know, two a day, you know, competing, stuff like that at blue belt level. Um, so yeah, to go from that to like once a week or like once every other week was you know a big change. But I felt like I needed that to really get my emotional state right and my spiritual state right, you know, during my divorce.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Like stuff aren't great in like at home, so you go on the mats to kind of equilibrate.

SPEAKER_04 2:40

Yes, right, calibrate, get some stuff out, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

I mean, my my start to jujitsu was a long time ago, but it was like a very similar thing where I was like a teenager with anger issues and getting in fights all the time, and then like the second I started training, all that behavioral stuff stopped because I was like I had an outlet, so I went from you know getting into fights to never fighting ever again, except for like combat sports stuff. Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_04 3:06

How would how old did you start? How old were you? I was 15, 15. When I started jujitsu. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Because my my nephew is seven, and um let's just say I don't necessarily agree with the parenting style sometimes of the father. And uh one day he said the father said something, and I was like, All right, Ian, you're coming with me. We're going to jujitsu for the first time. I was like, that's it. We're gonna go as he was six at that time. Six. And um, well, because the father was like, you know, you need to get a, you know, he's like, I'm not your father if you don't do XYZ. You know, you can go get a different father, you can go get a different role model. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

What? And they're out there. Go get away. He's six years old. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

And I get it, you know, boys need discipline, but that's not discipline. That's like, that's like verbal abuse right there. I, I, I personally think.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:03

So he loved it. Ian loved it. And they were concerned about his behavioral issues, but he was so well behaved. He did it, he was so, he was just like, he was amazing in class and he loves it. Um, now scheduling's tough, so they're not able to like continue on with it, but I think eventually they're gonna get the him and also his twin sisters into jujitsu, which will be great.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Yeah, I feel like twins is like a superpower in jujitsu. Yeah, you got like the meows, yes, the rotolos. Yes, I can't think of any more right now, but like siblings imagine.

SPEAKER_04 4:37

Imagine female twins too.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

Yeah, well the Fenegra. Uh-huh. AOJ. There you go. Yeah. I think if you do jujitsu and you have a twin, you have like 1.5 skill amplifier. Like, yeah. You twins are so in tune with each other that the second one twin learns something, the other one's gonna pick it up through osmosis, like immediately. And then like I train with my brothers, and the way I train with them is just different than with other people. Like, we we don't really train hard anymore, but like we used to try to kill each other. I just didn't get those kind of looks. So imagine like a twin, you have like twin animosity going on. I've been training a pair of twins that are like young boys, and like they work with me because it's like hard for them to do classes, so we do like private sessions, but I can see like just like the power of it is like the way that they go after each other. It's like it's like a deat match every time, you know, and then they're they're still so sweet, they'll like finish it and be like, Oh, I love you, bro. Like, oh yeah, like 30 seconds ago, I was about to like step in and separate y'all. Yeah, it's a it's a really cool way. I think like jujitsu for for kids especially is just so good for like the tapping on both sides, like giving up and then like also having the control over something and then allowing someone to like escape. I think that's like particularly what hits for like for what I was, which was like an adolescent boy with like regulation control, probably, and like it taught me to like calm down and ask for mercy sometimes, but then also eventually learning how to have that like real power, but then like controlling that too. Um, so you started you said Gracie Baja, was that here in Texas?

SPEAKER_04 6:12

That was my first gym, yeah. That was South uh South Austin on Brody Lane.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Nice. What yeah, what was like the first catalyst for you to get into jujitsu?

SPEAKER_04 6:21

Uh boredom. Honestly, I was bored out of my mind lifting weights. And I had I started lifting in 08.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

Um, so I'm 42. And uh at the time I was doing Pilates. I was I was living in Boston at the time. I'm from Austin, by the way. I'm native. So I have that unicorn horn there. Um I was living in Boston at the time, teaching Pilates full-time, well, part-time and going to school part-time and lifting weight. And I was kind of like, well, this is really boring, you know. Um, then I moved to Austin for physical therapy school, did that, and just kind of like lifted throughout grad school um and did some dancing as well, like two-stepping, whatnot, so I'd let my hair down. But anyway, I was just like, why am I lifting? Like for like what's what's the purpose? Do you be strong? Yeah, I get, I get it, right? But I wanted something different. And I, as a former dancer, I used to be a professional dancer, I loved um learning techniques. Like that was my main thing. Like in modern modern dance, you learn Ailey technique and Cunningham technique. And I know this probably doesn't mean a lot to you guys. What is that? Whatever that is. Um, and I wanted to learn martial arts, and I first started uh with uh kung fu, actually. Because at the time one of my one of my clients, um, I'm a physical therapist, right? One of my clients was uh a black belt in kung fu. And she was like, Oh, come to my school and try it out. So I did, and uh God, I was talking about talk about boredom. That was really boring. So I was just like practicing moves, like punching and kicking the air, you know, memorizing this like routine. So I but I did it for a month, right? And I got my uh yellow stripe in Jitsu. Um, and then my I guess I have my husband to thank for this, my ex-husband. He was like, Well, why don't you try jujitsu? Um, because his brother-in-law did it, and he had done it for like six months and loved it. And so I did, and I went to like five different schools, did all like the trial classes. I did a trial week at Paragon, and this was back in 2018, and um I got injured like three times in a week. Like minor injuries, but you know, I knew that Paragon was known for being like really intense, you know, which it was, and I I did enjoy that, but I was like, maybe this isn't the one for me. And um, and then I ended up at uh Gracie Baja, and I just like it was just super nice, like the vibe was really chill, very family-oriented, you know. So I really enjoyed that. And I enjoyed the curriculum. I I was like drawn to the curriculum that they that they have for fundamentals because a lot of schools you go to that's just like you're just learning this random techniques every day. So I did that for three years.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 9:08

Yeah, I was at Grace Bow for three years doing mostly ghee. And so I got, you know, really strong fundamentals, but then at one point I was like, well, like what else is there? kind of thing. And like the advanced classes weren't really structured. And then at that point, Danaher had moved to Austin, and so I was like, Well, I've got to go trade with John Danaher.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Yeah, and you were like involved enough with the sport at that point to know that like one of the greatest coaches of all time is coming to town.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

Oh yeah. Like I was like watching YouTube videos of him, you know, this whole time, and then like to see him in real in real life in this small little gym on Guadalupe. Yeah, you know, it was like, yeah, that was a trip for sure.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

What would you say were like the differences between because I've never actually trained at a Gracie Baja, even though I've trained for a long time. What would you say is like the difference between what you experienced at Gracie Baja versus with John as far as like structure and like maybe rituals? What's what's the word I'm looking for?

SPEAKER_04 10:03

Yes. Like etiquette. Yeah, like etiquette.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

Yeah, I guess etiquette would be part of that.

SPEAKER_04 10:10

Yeah, definitely. I I enjoy the etiquette personally, like the bowing on the mat and everything. That was very much a keystone at um at Gracie Baja. You know, we lined up in order in belt order, right? You bow into class, you do the warmups, you know, the jumping jacks and the push-ups and the hip escapes and and all of that before class. And then, you know, at the end, you would bow out as well. Uh so, but you know, with with John, there's none of that. There's no warm-up, there's no bowing. At the end, you do shake shake his hand at the end of class.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

But that's like a little bit. I I'm the same way where like the other day I had one of our brown belts like tie his belt facing away from the mat, which like I don't know if that's that's like a that's kind of like a rule at Gracie Baja.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

And I actually kind of called out to all of the the rest of the guys around, like, oh, this guy, this guy's got some class. And it's not that like I'm going to run around at Fight Factory and say, hey, you guys gotta tie your belt facing the wall, but when you do it, like I felt that little him trying to, you know, not be undressed around everyone, I guess is kind of like the intention behind it. But I do like some of those things. I also like the bowing before you get on the mat, because like I've coached kids for a really long time and I've seen the difference of when I like had that rule versus when I didn't, and like it still helps that we make them take their shoes off. So there's a little bit of like a mindset shift for getting on the mat anyway. But I feel like the bow to the mat does help, especially with the children, where that way they're like, okay, this is a special place with special rules. Let me kind of like think for one second before I get onto the mat. Yes, but I think there's a lot of like weird, maybe not even toxic, but just kind of unnecessary things with like some of those rituals. And like I've been to gyms where you like bow to a picture of like a Gracie guy on the wall, and I'm like, this is bizarre. I don't need to do that to get better at jujitsu. And I don't think there's like as much payoff, but you know, they have their ways, and not even like all Gracies are all the same, because the guy I'm talking about is like from Carlson Gracie, which is like not Gracie Baja, but I guess somewhere they still have like their traditions that they were all taught and kept alive pretty well. Um, and I've I've taken at least one class from John and it was more of like an MMA setting, but it was really cool just like seeing everyone just like quietly lurking around the mat waiting for him to start, and there's like no clear start time, it's just like whenever he's ready.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

So I feel like at Gracie Baja, it's probably like on time, stick to the schedule. No, still still Brazilian time.

SPEAKER_04 12:37

Which one do you go to? That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

What are there any um particular like habits or or anything like that that you've taken from when you started at Gracie Baja and carried on throughout the different gyms you trained at?

SPEAKER_04 12:50

Good question. Nothing at the top of mind comes to me really right now, but I think I think my fundamentals are have always been really strong. And I I noticed that when I I went to um coach for a training friend of mine. She was competing at White Belt for the first time, and it's like she would she was in like you know, side control bottom and didn't know how to escape from that. And I thought, you should, you know, like the the Gracie Baja hip, you know, like the elbow escape, that's what what John calls it, or like the you know, the hip bump, shrimp escape, you know, thing things like that. Just I I'm glad that I had that foundation before working with John because I don't know how else I would have learned those things other than just you know, kind of along the way or rolling with other people to know.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

I feel that as like a coach, that people that start like the way you did at Gracie Baja ultimately makes you like an easier student to coach for the long term. Because like it's easier to take away all the traditions and stuff, but I do think that they start beginners at a really good spot and actually do build them up. Um, I think that it would probably get more boring as you hit like blue and purple belt at Gracie Baja, but I can say from my end, like it's I at least kind of know what you know coming into it. Whereas like people that are at like 10th planet, they might know how to do like a truck roll in a vaporizer knee bar, but they don't know like basic stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_04 14:18

Right. And then there's the different names of things that you know, like I don't like I don't really know the truck stop whatever that is.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Like oh, do you know about like the the extent of like 10th planet names?

SPEAKER_04 14:33

Uh I can imagine. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

So they there's a sandwich somewhere. I know there's something about it. There's a ham sandwich. That's fellow.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Yeah, there's the ham sandwich, you got like crackhead control, and you got like the zombie. I mean they Eddie has renamed almost everything, including all of his funky submissions that are just kind of like obscure, weird planet stuff. He's got names for all that, but then he also has like his own names for stuff that other places, other sports just have a different name for the thing. Um yeah, like if if you can speak tenth planet, then it actually does make sense. But if you can't, then you're just hearing all these crazy words.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

Did you experience any of that with the difference between Gracie Baja to training with Danaher? Where there was like a different way of describing things?

SPEAKER_04 15:20

Not really. I mean, learning the Japanese terms with, you know, after some repetition that that got into my brain. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

You know, but I I like slowly adopted them. I feel like whenever B Team and New Wave came to town, I just started like picking up on it from basically coaching side by side, right? Going to competitions and seeing athletes go, B Team and New Wave athletes and hearing their coach and then watching what they're doing and just kind of like reverse engineering everything. And then over time I became like a Japanese name coach. Yeah. Well, like I use a lot of them now. And I mean, I guess like you said from like YouTube videos of John, I definitely picked up a lot from there. I think the funny thing is like I guess these guys are, you know, John's from New Zealand, and then a bunch of his guys are like from New York, and they're like various English accents saying Japanese words. Because I don't have like a super Texas accent, but I have enough that like I call like sauce like saucy. I was like, I have no idea how to say that word in Japanese or with a Japanese accent, but it's saucy to me, you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

So you said um uh students coming from Gracie Baja are ultimately easier to train, like coming in like from fundamentals. How different do you think it would have been for me? Because you know I basically have been training under him my whole entire like since I started jujitsu, you know, and all I know is Fight Factory for the most part.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

I think for you, you would have gotten bored more quickly because I doubt they would let you even like roll for a while. And I've as far as I remember, you were probably like rolling on like at least your first week at Fight Factory, if not your first day.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Uh yeah, I remember rolling first day. Shout out, shout out Jonathan.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

Dude, because if I like if I had you in my class now on your first day looking at you, you'd be like, Yeah, you're fighting today, you know? Because like you're like a jacked guy, so I'm not like super worried that you're gonna get hurt. So I think at Fight Factory you got thrown straight into it. That's probably what got you hooked. Whereas like a Gracie Baja, maybe like going too slow for too long might make you just kind of like burn out. Yes, I I'm not trying to do jumping. But it'd be great if he actually had some fundamentals.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Yeah, keep dreaming.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

All right. I mean, we're we're kind of all over the place, but you at least like dropped that you you work as a physical therapist now, and then you mentioned the the Pilates earlier. I got a kick out of this, and I think Wico will too. Is the guy that started Pilates, Joseph Hubertus, Hubertus Pilates? Pilates, yes. Pilates, a German guy, yeah, uh moved to New York, started his thing in like the 20s. Um, but he's he's a big lover of names, so I'm sure he'll he'll Hubertus audio fixate on that.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

Throw that into my, I don't know, my my marketing or something, maybe, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Authentic Pilates from Joseph Hubertus Pilates.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

What caught my attention is this guy allegedly was a circus performer and a boxer, and I always find stuff like that really cool. Of like I've spent most of my life working in like combat sports, most of that's just coaching jujitsu. Um, but it's really cool seeing something that's like a fitness, I don't know, method, I guess you could call it. Yeah. Um, that's started by someone else that was like in the combat sports world. And that never surprises me because I feel like people that are like looking for the highest human performance, there's always some like relationship to martial arts or or combat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:52

True. Yes, it's a yeah, it's a little known fact that um it's named after some a man named Joseph Heber just Pilates, right? And uh he he actually called it contrology. Yeah. The study of control. It's a mouthful, contrology. That's tough.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Um, but there is that should be what jujitsu is called.

SPEAKER_04 19:13

I mean, it's it's it's true, but you're controlling somebody else. Yeah, that's that's really good. That's a good point. Oh god, it's a good point, but um, but yeah, it's all about controlling your body and your breath. So the the six main principles of Pilates is uh centering, uh concentration, control, flow, and precision and breathing. And those are all things you need in jujitsu for like any fighting like sport, right? And so that's why I, you know, I opened my own practice a little over a year ago now, um, because I was just tired of working in a clinic and not really being able to work with patients the way that I wanted to work with them because you're limited by time and insurance, etc. So uh, you know, I was like, well, there's plenty of jujits uh jits athletes here in Austin.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Yeah, you know, controllogists.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

Contrologists, yes. That are broken that are broken, yeah. I mean, my my my niche is the the the middle-aged jujitsu athlete. Hell yeah, and uh and incorporate Pilates as well because you know I've been teaching that since like 2008. So, you know, it's just a great, it's a great compliment, it's a great tool to have when rehabbing, but that also giving people a great movement and like core foundation for any sport or any activity that you want to do.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

Is it pretty dependent on the equipment to do Pilates? Like I can do yoga in my living room, just throw it on a mat. Is there as much to do in Pilates by yourself, or does it really help to have all of like the crazy contraptions I see?

SPEAKER_04 20:55

I mean it helps, but you know, there is the Pilates mat routine, and I teach a core mobility class every Friday at VAW.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Shut up, okay. Plug.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

Nice and uh it's it's a yeah, it's a Pilates-based class, and we don't we don't use very much equipment at all. We just use like the belt and maybe like a block, but you can do it, do it with nothing. But you have to know how to how to use your body, right? And the the equipment is there to help you learn how to work your body without the equipment. Okay, if that makes any sense. It kind of like plugs you into your core like automatically, like like it's harder to mess it up.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

Then it just like isolates more one muscle at a time, I imagine.

SPEAKER_04 21:39

It's not isolating muscles, actually. It's it's working your whole fascial system together as a as an orchestra. Like we want you want your body to move, especially as a fighter, to move like an orchestra, like like a like a symphony. Like every it has to every little you know, muscle fiber has to fire at the right time in the right. Like time during the motion. Does that make sense? So there's there's also something called like core coordination. And that's what Pilates really helps you with is coordinating how do I use my core. Like I get people all the time that are like, oh, I have a really strong core. I can do like you know, toes to bar, you know, from hanging from a bar, you know, lifting your toes up to your to your fists. But yet they can't do a lot of the Pilates work because it's just a different way of moving your body, you know. One of the uh it's got you kind of have to experience it.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Yeah, I need to try it.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

Yeah, yeah, you do. Yeah, you just tried it recently. Yeah, it was dope. It's dope. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

It's fun.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

One of one of the um best compliments I've ever received, or at least the one that I thought was the most flattering, was uh somebody told me that I move well. And I was like in like the Pilates class, uh in jujitsu. Oh in jujitsu. And and in um lifting, you know, because like there's a lot of like movements that have a lot going on, you know. And um, yeah, I don't know. It's just it was nice.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

Yeah, and Pilates, the the movements in Pilates are based in gymnastics. And so, you know, even like John Danaher and you know, fitness experts in general say gymnastics is the best way, like if you're gonna like, you know, groom your child or something to become like an athlete, start them in gymnastics. Right, you've heard that, right? Um, so a lot of us adults, we haven't, we haven't, we can't go back in time and do gymnastics as kids, but you can do Pilates, and that's it, it's still like gymnastics based, and it helps you move really, really well.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

So it goes! I am going to my first gymnastics class tonight. Oh, no way. Really? Yeah, where it's awesome. Uh I think it's called like Austin Elite Gymnastics or something like that. It's like stupid far, like Lake Way or something. Oh yeah. We'll see.

unknown 24:10

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 24:10

I want to hear all about it.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Yeah, I can't wait to see you do a backflip. Yes, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

All I want to do, I I I'm going because I saw uh Matt, Matty Grapps, go out there. And I was like, I'm sick! And he's like, come through. Uh all I want to do is just I just want to do a backflip.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

You know, I think with a backflip in five in five minutes. For sure you could. As a former gymnastics coach, I'm telling you, you could definitely do a backflip in like five minutes if you if you had the right cueing.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

I'm gonna full send break myself, and I'll see you later.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

How do you think that because the way when I think of Pilates, I think of like suburban moms going to get a workout, right? So how did it get this reputation as like that type of like a fitness model? And then what needs to happen to get like combat sports guys like me to go try it?

SPEAKER_04 25:07

Yeah, I feel you on that. And this is what I'm trying to like, this is partially my my mission in life to to counter this whole idea that Pilates is for rich housewives that want the good naked, like seriously, but that's what it is. That's what it is. I mean let's be real. I know in the bottom. How did it how did it become that way? It became that way partially back in the day when Joseph Pilates moved to the United States. Um, he was in New York City at the time and he opened his studio in the same building as the New York City Ballet, I believe it was the New York City Ballet. And so a lot of the injured dancers would go and train with Pilates. And then like you the dance community just kind of took it over over the years. It kind of got passed down through through dancers.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Man, and that's now a hundred years ago. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 26:00

Wow, it is.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:01

1926. Yeah. Did a call. Yeah, that was when it came over.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

So what do we do now to to make it more inviting for the the bro science guys of the world?

SPEAKER_04 26:13

Well, I'm doing my best.

unknown 26:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 26:17

Like I said, I mean I have my class, which is all all men, actually. There's like very few females that come to my class. Um, so props to those guys. Yeah. And it's just just try just trying it out, really. You know, it's it's hard. It's it's very challenging work. I will say though, be wary of places that have more than eight reformers, because those are the places where you're more likely to get injured.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Why is that?

SPEAKER_04 26:47

Because the there's only one teacher teaching a full class. Because of the ratio. I see the ratio of teacher to to student. And legitimately, I have heard uh I met this one guy, this was years ago, but I met this one guy at some function, and Pilates came up and he was like, Oh yeah, I tore my rotator cuff doing Pilates. And I was like, What? How is that possible? You know, and he said he was in a big class and they were doing something standing on the reformer, and he like fell off. And like when he landed, he broke his fall, he tore his rotator cuff.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Maybe he needs to learn how to break fall.

SPEAKER_04 27:25

Yeah, let's start there. Yeah, I think you know, if I could have a uh a practice that was attached to a jujitsu school, that would be badass. Yeah, then I'd be getting those fighters doing Pilates with me. Yeah. And then they would be killing it.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

When you're on the mat, even if you're not like a coach as like a physical therapist and as like a Pilates instructor, do you see that the people in the classes and you can like identify like, oh man, you just need to like do some Pilates and that would help your jujitsu movement? Oh, completely.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

I feel I feel that way. Even when I'm rolling with someone, I can feel where they're weak. You know, I I just have that sense. Yeah. Um, but yeah, totally. I mean, it can benefit everybody. Um it's it's quite it's it's a very unique form of fitness, I'll put it that way. And it's unique because of the spring resistance, right? The springs are what we use in Pilates for the resistance instead of instead of weights. And your at your at your cellular level, the the unit that's like actually contractile in your muscle, that protein, is shaped like a spring. So it makes sense to use springs to give your body feedback for movement.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

And that would like say if it's doing something like stretching, it's getting like the more force at the end of the stretch, too. Correct.

SPEAKER_04 28:50

Yes. And you you build resilience and strength and stability at the end ranges of all of your joints. So then like your shoulder, for example, like you're in a kamura, right? And maybe you have a tight shoulder, or you maybe even you're flexible, but you're not stable in your flexibility, right? But if you have that Pilates work behind you and you have that foundation of stability and mobility, then you can escape your Kimura, you know, just kind of build building whatever escape you want. It's it makes you much more robust as a fighter.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Can we can we break down um difference between stability and mobility? Because I know a lot of folks can get it confused and things like that.

SPEAKER_04 29:35

Between stability and mobility?

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 29:39

So stability is just the ability to have, you know, you you can move one body part, or sorry, keep one body part still while moving the other body part, right? And this happens all the time in pull out. Right. But you need that stability before you can have mobility. So let's we'll take the shoulder for as the perfect example. Imagine people doing those um, those shoulder stretches against a wall, right? Where they're reaching their arms up on the wall. Are you with me? Well, a lot of times people will like arch their back to get their arm up on the wall. But then there's actually no shoulder mobility happening there because they're not stable in their trunk, right? They gotta keep their trunk stable and so let's keep it keep it on the wall, right? Keep your spine and trunk on the wall while you're moving your arm back to create that stability. I'm sorry, mobility in your shoulder while you have stability in your trunk, aka your core.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 30:43

Does that answer the question, you think?

SPEAKER_01 30:46

For sure. So what um different types of like are there particular uh movements um that you can do to like increase stability in uh certain you know the body parts and mobility? Is it uh is it something that you can do both at the same time? Or whenever you're working something you should focus on, oh I'm working on stability of my core or stability of like I don't know, I got knee issues, right? So trying to trying to button that up versus um yeah, I'm sorry, should you do like focus on one at a time? Like I'm working on stability of this right now and not do like I don't know both, right? Is that a valid thing? Or is it possible to do both?

SPEAKER_04 31:29

Or yeah, I I see what you're saying. It's always going to depend on the person really and what their constitution is. Like do they do they tend to be more mobile or do they tend to be more stiff, right? But I will say you have to you have to excuse me, you have to you have to move your limbs. Say we're say we're working on trunk stability, right? You have to then kind of move your limbs, arms or legs, to challenge the stability of your trunk. And then vice versa, say I'm working on my hip mobility or my hip stability, right? Then I have to do the opposite. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 32:14

I think so.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

So I guess I'm not under understanding your question correctly.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

So for stability for stability. Stability. The goal is to keep something tight when uh keep something like tight or or stable under like external pressures, right? So I'm thinking of um of uh say you have like a kettlebell um on a resistance band and you're just walking with it in kind of like a waiter carry. So you have the kettlebell, each step you take, the kettlebell is like bouncing, right? And it's wanting to kind of uh bend you over. Yes. So every time you take a step and you're marching, this would that be considered like a stability movement because you're working your core to stay tight and upright. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

Yes, it would be a stability exercise, yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

And mobility would be the uh the wall um like shoulder stretch, right? We're trying to move that and uh extend that range while keeping everything else like without cheating or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 33:39

Correct. Maintaining stability. So you you need both, right? And most injuries happen because you have too much of one or the other, like you're too stiff or you're too unstable. Like like too like too stable being stiff, right? Um, or too too mobile, right? And the great thing about Pilates is that it balances out all of those things in your entire body.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

I was on the reformer, is that what it was? Uh-huh. Yeah. Reformer. I was on the reformer um with her like a week or two ago or something like that. She was having me do some. I don't know what it was. It was like it was like a pike. Yeah, it was a pike, uh-huh, right? On the reformer. And you know about my ab cramps. Right. It was they were singing, bro. It was wrong. I get like these really weird, like individual ab just like just like locks up. And it was, I was pretty close to crying.

SPEAKER_04 34:35

Maybe you could use some uh diaphragm release.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

I thought you were gonna say hydration.

SPEAKER_04 34:42

Or hydration, or hydration, but yeah, you might might need some, you might be having some tightness in your abdominal wall.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

We can yeah, we can explore that.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

Yeah, we we joke a lot about how we're like a yin and yang. Uh-huh. Right? There's hair and no hair and no hair on on the same kind of spectrum. Like, I love that you you pair like the stiffness with stability because sometimes I work with stiff people and they like want to be so mobile, and I'm like, look, yeah, you're stiff, but you're so stable. And there's in grappling, there's like a payoff for both of those, where he is in some cases very stiff, but super stable. I'm hypermobile, so I struggle with stability really badly, but I'm long, lanky, and super flexible, so I can contort into all sorts of crazy positions, but I get injured all of the time, and I'm definitely like your classic patient or like I ideal jujitsu patient because I've been doing it for so long, and I've always been hypermobile, so that's just caused injuries throughout my entire career. Um, and I can see how we'll talk more after, but like my specific issues, and and I definitely could see how you could help me, but more importantly, just that distinction that like I don't think all stiffness is bad because of the stability that it can create.

SPEAKER_04 36:04

Oh, I agree with you. I agree with you, but you know, it there's like to me, there's like two types of people in the world: people that have a stiff lower back and more mobile hips, or they have stiff hips and a too flexible back. Right? It's it's too it's too mobile in their lower back. And so like you have to, and that's the center of your body, your hips and your lower back and your pelvis, right? So the lumbopelvic girdle, right? And so that's where you've got to stabilize from. And that's what Please does. It evens out the balance, the in or imbalance that somebody might have there.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

Yeah, I like I said, I haven't ever tried it before, and it's not because I'm like embarrassed to try it and because it's like a hot mom kind of workout. Um, it just in the paths I've crossed, I've never come across someone like you that's like in the jujitsu world that does it and encourages it or something like that. Um pretty much always willing to try out new things. But I I think it'd be really good for me because I do care so much about flexibility and mobility. Um, but I know where I'm lacking, and for me personally, I would benefit a lot more from the stability side. Whereas my counterpart here, I think, has plenty of stability, definitely could increase his mobility.

SPEAKER_04 37:18

Yes, and for people like like you that are more mobile, you're not going to lose your flexibility doing pull audience, but you're going to gain stability within your mobility.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

And that's that's what I've struggled so much with different uh methods of like strength training, is that like in certain things I just cannot overcome the flexibility factor where as I get stronger on things, I lose so much flexibility and then I end up stretching it back out, and it feels like I almost lose the strength again. Um and and that also just goes into like the style of jujitsu that I'm doing, where like the more rounds I'm doing, I just seem to like devolve back to that jujitsu state of like super flexible hips, but very tight because my knees are always pulled up to my chest and my back super rounded.

SPEAKER_04 38:02

Yes. I know I know the archetype.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

Yeah, yeah, it it's I feel like um when you say like your your two points, that's kind of how I look at like the jujitsu athletes that I see too, where it's like, okay, everyone's in one of those two categories for me. For you, you're talking about like hips and and lower back. I'm like, all right, you either need more mobility or more stability, you know, because there's very few people out there, like we mentioned the Rotolos earlier. I don't know exactly what their trading methods are, but they're definitely in principle what you described, right? Those guys are extremely strong and balanced at the absolute end range of motion. They're they're one of the most flexible jujitsu athletes that can still move people at those end ranges, you know. Whereas like people like me, I'm flexible and I can get bent all sorts of ways, but the strength in certain positions just completely goes away.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

You know, what are um some of the most common issues you've seen like grapplers come in to you for help with? You know, like is it like lower back, neck?

SPEAKER_04 39:01

Yeah. So for me, it's been necks, a lot of neck injuries. In fact, somebody reached out to me this morning before I came over about their neck. And it's funny because I'll ask John too. I was like, John, like what are the most common injuries you've seen? And he never mentioned neck. It was always like knees, lower back, shoulders, you know. But I think in my experience, definitely neck by far is number one. Um, and shoulder and knees. Those are the big three for me that I that I see.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

For neck injuries, I'm sure everything's like different depending on the circumstances and all. But is it do you think it would be accurate to say that it would help if people like like strength train their neck? I I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 39:48

I know Oh yes, for sure. Yeah, but not in the way that a lot of people already do. Yeah. A lot of people use like the iron neck. First thing I thought of, yeah. Which I which is fine. It's okay. It's not I'm not gonna say don't use the iron neck. It's like it's all right. But you gotta think about it. Like your your neck is part of your entire body, okay? So you it's it's not detached, you know. We can't we can't detach your neck from your spine, for example. So you have to work your whole body. So you just having like core, like true core strength, which it means core coordination, um, and various relationships to gravity is number one. Um, and so what I normally teach people is also like a deep neck flexor exercise that also includes your whole core. So the the deep neck flexors are just muscles that are like the right in the very front of your spine. And the iron neck does not work, the deep neck flexors, and those are the stabilizers of your neck, so those are the main ones that you want to strengthen. So to do that, that that's a whole other different kind of process to teach people how to do because oftentimes people will cheat by um using their larger neck muscle, the sternocleidomastoid muscle here, right? That you can kind of grab onto. Sternocleid sternocleidomastoid or SCM for short.

SPEAKER_01 41:13

That was in here.

SPEAKER_04 41:14

Because it's sternum, sternum, right? Yeah. Mastoids here. Okay. Uh so, anyways, yeah, the the neck, it's it's it's an art teaching how to strengthen the neck because you can't just give somebody a generic exercise and then okay, go home and do this. Because oftentimes they're going to be compensating and not and not doing it crop you know properly.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

I have I have two generic exercises that I do for my neck. Please judge me. No. I take a resistance band, tie it on like a pull-up bar or whatever, hold it out here. I put my feet um basically underneath the pull-up bar, put that thing on my head, and then I lean at like 45. And then I'm there for two minutes. Um mostly just like isolated. Um sometimes I'll do like, you know, kind of roll around if it gets a little hot, you know?

SPEAKER_03 42:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

Um, and then I'll turn over and then I do the same thing, but leaning backward, 45.

SPEAKER_04 42:22

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

Two minutes. Those are my two generic.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

I like I actually like that. Now where do you where do you feel the exercise when you're one? Where you could also do it to the side.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

Don't be crazy. Calm down.

SPEAKER_04 42:38

You decide. But but when you when you're doing it from the front, where do you feel the the the work in your neck? Do we feel it more on the sides or more in the front or both?

SPEAKER_01 42:48

I feel it in my sternocleidomastoids. You just wanted to say that work. I wanted to try it.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

Um because ideally, ideally you would feel it like right where your Adam's apple is. Then you'll know that you're working more the deep neck flexors.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

I would say yes, because I was gonna say the abs of my neck. And I feel like that's that's a core of your neck. Yeah. It is the core of your neck.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

I can vouch for him that this definitely works because like we'll do like say if someone's trying to work on some kind of strangle in the gym, he'll be like the final boss of if you can do it right, because he's so hard to strangle because of his neck and shoulders. So whatever he's doing is definitely helping because he's like the hardest guy, one of the hardest guys in the gym to choke.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

Really? But what about my my little arms? My little arms can get right underneath. They can't get in there. They they can get in there though.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

That's how I feel. I think it works better. It's like more pressure, less surface area. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:47

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Um I'm I'm I'm glad I'm glad it passed.

unknown 43:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Feel good about it now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

You you mentioned a few injuries from Pilates. Like it doesn't seem that dangerous, but I know. Did people get hurt? I disagree.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

I was so surprised.

SPEAKER_02 44:04

Yeah. So it's not super common for you to deal with injuries.

SPEAKER_04 44:07

You're mostly like not from Pilates.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

Building people up, rehabbing them.

SPEAKER_04 44:10

I mean, for me, I I everything I do is one-on-one. So there's no way someone's like gonna get injured on my watch, you know. But uh yeah, I was I was I I don't think it's that um uncommon though. Does that make sense? It probably happens more than we think it does.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

Yeah. Well, and your your point of like anytime you have like sport or just like group exercise and like where the instructor to student ratio gets skewed too far, like it could be anything, and it's gonna result in some some accidents and and things like that.

SPEAKER_04 44:44

Very true.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

Is there a ratio that you think is too much? You mentioned like one to eight is way too much.

SPEAKER_04 44:50

That would be my limit.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

One to eight.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, for sure. Oftentimes I'll have people come to me for like a few Pilates sessions so that they can then go to a group's class setting because that way they know better what their own yeah, they kind of know what to do, they know the lingo, they know what their body needs, you know, because everyone's cue is going to be different. It's not like every, you know, everyone needs the same cue, the same correction.

SPEAKER_02 45:17

So would you say now like what you provide is kind of like a blend between your past experience as like a Pilates instructor and then going to physical therapy school, and then like since you're trying to work with jujitsu people, kind of like your experiences there are all kind of coming together?

SPEAKER_04 45:31

Yeah, it's a whole amalgamation. You know, it's a whole yeah, coming. And I'm I'm working on something new potentially. Um, from uh nothing. Hey, hey, hey, hey, um well, it it stems from my own personal experience with mental health, actually.

SPEAKER_02 45:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

So I've had three medic episodes in my life. I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder back in 2017.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 46:05

And this was I it happened after I had graduated from physical therapy school, which was a very horribly stressful experience. I don't know why they make it so stressful for students, but they do. I don't know. And it's and it's across the board, like all PT schools, even some Cairo schools, they make it really stressful. Anyway, I was I had graduated and I was studying for the board exam to get licensed in Texas. And two days before my board exam, I could not sleep. I had gotten insomnia, and I never, it was very unusual for me. I was always a really good sleeper. I would, you know, five or ten minutes after hitting the pillow and I would be asleep. But for whatever reason, I just my brain wouldn't turn off, right? And I took the board exam. Luckily, I ended up passing, but I also proceeded to then not sleep for like seven days.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

Whoa.

SPEAKER_04 46:59

Yeah. I was staying with my parents at the time, thank goodness, because I was trying to save money during grad school. And eventually they took me to a hospital. Um, because I was just Looney Tunes. I thought my brother and I were psychic. You know, I was like calling out stuff with my mom and dad. Like I was, I would have these like huge like bouts of anger. And I was always a very, excuse me, I was always a very chill person. Yeah, calm kid, whatever. Um, but now having had three of these manic episodes, and they all had a kind of different themes to them. Like the first one was all about how we're on screens all the time and no one talks to each other in public. And like, no wonder it's hard to find, you know, a partner or, you know, meet new friends or whatever the case may be. And like this is all these are all themes that hold true now, right? Like we could we could talk about that. And now, and now AI is happening. That was my most recent medic episode. Yeah, I don't blame you. Yeah, yeah. I can laugh about it now, but believe me, it wasn't very funny at the time. Um, yes, it's it's not it's not fun to be, you know, locked up in a mental health institution, but I don't blame you for for laughing. It is, you know, we I'm thankful that I can laugh about it now, but like, yeah, like they you go to these like mental health institutions and they they're checking on you every 10 minutes to make sure that you're still, you know, there or alive or whatever. And then they ask you, like, okay, well, have you been sleeping? And it's like, well, no, because you keep waking me up every 10 minutes. It's like opening the door. Like, how am I supposed to get any sleep in here? Or they'll ask, you know, have you been taking your uh your medication? And I'm like, well, you asked the nurse that. So anyway, it got to me um to really look deeper into spirituality and energy work because I experienced a lot of that kind of during my manic episodes. And I also have realized from my years as a physical therapist, I've been practicing since 2017, that not all physical injuries are due to physical problems. Like some physical injuries are due to emotional problems, right? Or spiritual problems. And we know this because you know, fascia, the which is that connective tissue that really touches every part of your body, your bones, your nervous system, your vessels, your organs, including your heart. Uh, it connects directly to your uh spinal cord and brain. So we know that you know, you you can store emotions in your tissues, right? You have issues in your tissues, right? Y'all have heard that before. Please, you've heard that one before.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

I don't go to therapy. Okay, just lift.

SPEAKER_04 50:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

You look damn it, Shelly. You look great.

SPEAKER_04 50:32

You look amazing, yes, exactly. Um, so I'm looking into uh treating something called the biofield. Have you heard of this before?

SPEAKER_01 50:43

You said treating?

SPEAKER_04 50:44

Treating the biofield, yes.

SPEAKER_01 50:46

I am not familiar at all.

SPEAKER_04 50:48

Your biofield, you could think of it as maybe your aura.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 50:52

But we we as human beings, we emit um things called biophotons, which is basically like light. Uh and we have an energy field surrounding us. Like we know we have an electromagnetic field, right? Like your heart has an electromagnetic field. Yeah, we know this, right? We we can accept this idea, right? So therefore, our bodies have an electromagnetic field, which is also related to our biofield, right? And so for somebody like me, I'm 42 years old. My biofield is probably like six feet away from me, maybe eight, six to eight feet away from me. And this is this comes from Eileen McCousick's work with um tuning forks. Uh, and she has treated thousands and thousands of clients and has found patterns in their biofields. So, what you'll do is you'll like click on this tuning fork and it'll have a it'll have an auditory vibration, and you comb it through someone's biofield or their space, right? And the idea is you can detect maybe something that's happened to me 20 years ago would be halfway to my body. So in the 20s, maybe I have that traumatic event in my 20s, and you would hear that change in the tuning fork as you come through their biofield. It's interesting. I know it makes you kind of think, oh, woo-woo, it's very woo-woo. However, there are some studies about the biofield that we we we we know that we have a biofield. We all do, and you can you can feel it in somebody, like you can feel when somebody has good vibes or like vibes that don't really, you know, mesh with your vibes. And you can feel it from across the room, even, you know.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

We use that word so much, like vibes, vibes, yes, like all the time. Yeah, and like we'll check in with each other on like how are the vibes doing today, you know? Yeah, depending on like what we need to do.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Yes, exactly. Oftentimes I'll I'll pull up here, bring the uh bring the case, getting everything started. Um this morning, I was listening to I I'd be singing, I'd be singing a lot on the mats, in the car, in the shower, everywhere, right? So on the way over here, I was singing Bee Gees and Um Le Miz on the way over here. And generally, whenever I I get out, he has this like oh shit, talk about vibes, right? He has this fucking thing where he just like senses my presence. So I'll I'll I'll pull up.

SPEAKER_04 53:34

This is quantum physics right here.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

Fucking go. He just senses my presence. I get out the truck and he opens the door. I'm like, how do you do that every time?

SPEAKER_04 53:45

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 53:46

It's insane. So I love it. Yeah, typically when I get out, I'd be like, Vaza tie, vibes at high, Davis.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

We're doing good. Yeah, vibes. And there's even like the in between us, but then it's also like you said, like you can walk into a room or meet someone new, and then I'll be like, you know, like bad vibes, dude. That guy's got bad vibes, and it's like not shout out vibes, you know, it's it's it's a combination of like a lot of things. Um could be posture, tone, whatever. Completely, but I mean biofield, bro. When when you were talking, you know, when you were just describing the the biofield, like there's I feel like there's just like all these different tools, like different ometers of something, right? So you have like a thermometer, and like I guess some of the kind of in the branch of like facial recognition software is now doing like your thermal print. So it's like another way of like just measuring that individual kind of heat signature from a person. And like, I don't know if you've seen it, Whole Foods, they got like the palm reader, that's like these other ones where it's like I feel like the the biofield sounds like a combination of all those measurable things, but as like the whole, right? So that that uh that definitely makes sense. Um, as for my sixth sense for knowing when people are at my house, I don't know. I feel like I've always kind of been that way. Yeah, I get the same thing with my brother. I'm like, yeah, he's home. But it's also like real life cues where like the dog perked its head up 30 seconds before I did. So I'm like, right, the dog notices something. Yeah, somebody's here.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

You're a very well calibrated orometer.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

Oh you are it's like it's like like gaydar. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 55:33

How 90s of you. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 55:40

It in jujitsu people make a lot of jokes, but we actually are around a lot of gay people all the time.

SPEAKER_04 55:46

Are you? Well, there's a lot of my gay dar is not very high. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 55:50

Well, especially here in Austin and and like the teams that you mentioned, you have a lot of like outwardly homophobic energy that I think comes across that way, but deep down there's like some something messing with their aura, you know? Yes. So I think like the the rampant gay jokes in the jujitsu community are like at a certain point non-ironic. You know what I mean? Because it's like the whole the whole thing with jujitsu is it's gay, and B team was making the keep jujitsu gay shirts and stuff like that. And you know, we you mentioned very briefly at the beginning of like being a woman in jujitsu. I'm not convinced that making gay jokes all the time makes it a more uh uh like inclusive or like just better environment for everyone. You know, like I don't think because like there's also gay dudes that train, and I'm sure like the the general jujitsu attitude towards gay dudes is like pretty negative.

SPEAKER_04 56:48

I would I would assume so.

SPEAKER_02 56:49

Yeah, and having that that same ad, I just don't think that it like generally makes people more welcome and comfortable on the mat.

SPEAKER_04 56:56

Yeah, I think they they probably have to be more secretive or feel like they need to be more secretive about it, which is unfortunate.

SPEAKER_02 57:02

It is, it's kind of like the other end of like Pilates being like a hot mom workout thing, yeah. Like it for a while jujitsu is like an aggressive bro thing, but like neither of those things are true. Yes, yes, so you could have big guys doing Pilates, there's nothing wrong with that, yeah. And I mean I've mentioned twice now, but like I'm teaching kids, it used to be mind-blowing to have a girl in a class. Like, oh my gosh, there's a girl in kids' class, that's awesome. Oh, really? No women in the adult classes. Now I've got more girls than boys on several days a week that can happen. That's great, you know. So it's like with at least the youth, it's completely flipped, and that's why I care so much because like one day the girls from the kids' class are gonna grow up. I want to make sure that they go into adult classes that are good, healthy environments for them. Yeah, that's such such a tricky field to uh to navigate.

SPEAKER_04 57:53

Yeah. I mean, on that note, I had actually a fabulous experience this past Friday and Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 57:58

What a lot.

SPEAKER_04 57:59

Well, I went to Val Friday and uh shout out Val. I uh I taught my class and then I stayed for the the class afterwards. Nice and just had really great roles with the guys. It was like everything was like appropriate resistance and force, like all cool. And then on Saturday, went to Kingsway and I rolled with this, or I trained actually, I drilled with this one guy there. I never met him before, but he was completely delightful, like probably in his 20s, but you know, bigger, stronger. But we, you know, we kind of experimented together during the drill and we kind of helped each other through like some sticky points when we when we um you know trained. It was it was like it was amazing. I had like nothing but good experiences.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

It's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 58:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:43

It's how it should be.

SPEAKER_04 58:44

It's how it should be. Yeah. True. And that that's I I that is the the case for me most of the time. I have I have had by far positive experiences dealing with men, you know. I could probably like I can count on one hand the amount of bad experiences I've had in eight years. So that's awesome. That's yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

So going back a step, when we got to the biofield, you were talking about doing something new, something related to like yeah, the mental health.

SPEAKER_04 59:12

I'm gonna, yeah, getting back into treating the depth of the biofield with these tuning forks. Okay. With vibration. Because we know that uh, and I say we, I mean like the scientific community knows that there's been, you know, research studies about how fascia reacts to vibration. Okay. Including like sound bowls or singing bowls, because you know, most of our bodies were made of water, right? And not only is it it's it's not only just water, it's charged water. It's ionized, or they call it easy water, or it's it stands for the exclusion zone, which is um a space just inside of the cell where water organizes as what they call it is like a liquid crystal formation, because the water forms a hexagonal structure. But liquid crystal is just a fancy way of saying gel-like. Okay. Because I because I was like, I was like, liquid crystal, like what the fuck is that? You know? Seriously, it's a gel. Okay. But it's a it's a fourth state of water, and it it gets and it's organized through vibration or through grounding, like you know, putting your feet on the on the earth, um, or through even like light, like you know, doing like red light therapy can help a lot with that. So I'm excited to be able to, you know, eventually treat the biofield and treat people's pain, like if they're physical, you know, ailments that they're having through this different modality, right? Not just through physical therapy or Pilates. Does that make sense? Yeah. So kind of just treating the whole person more so.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:49

Yeah. I've uh I started doing physical therapy with a with a physical therapist back in September, and we've made some really great breakthroughs, but I think like the biggest one, I went for my neck as a graphical. I see, and I think one of the biggest breakthroughs was like slightly emotional, just in the sense of like he eventually got me to the point where he was like, dude, just go train. Your neck is gonna be fine. You fuck it up, I'll help you out. We'll do what we can to like try to make it better. But like basically just giving me a more of a confidence boost that had little to do with what the work we had done. You know, I can see the changes in what the therapy's done for me, but there was probably no bigger change than just like my mindset shift, you know, completely. So I could tell for myself, like I've constant chronic pain all the time, but at least like from after that conversation, I have had some really fun roles that I was kind of holding myself back from for a while because I had that kind of like injury um scar tissue where I was like, Oh, if I do anything, it's gonna come right back again, and I'm not gonna be able to move my head.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:50

Yes. And the neck, you know, it's a very vulnerable part of the body, right? Like it's you have a lot of vital things going through your neck, like your carotid arteries that that you know feeds your brain like oxygen, right? And um, you know, I've treated a few, you know, higher profile people over the years, even like before I started my practice. Um, Anna Myodorma was one of them. Shout out to Anna. Love you.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

Absolute savage.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:17

Absolute savage. Um now she I give her all of the credit for recovering. She did all of the work. You know, she will tell me that I, you know, helped her career, whatever, but you know, she she did it all. But it it's a very emotional thing to have your neck injured. Yeah. And it that is part of the job as a physical therapist sometimes is to, you know, give people hope and be like, you know, like it's gonna be okay. You know, like you can step off the curb. But it's understandable that people have these fear, these fears of, you know, getting reinjured and getting a setback.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

Yeah, I've been thankful that I've like of I've trained for 17 years and my knees are still good, you know. Um but I have uh done something to every other part of my body possible, you know. So um we I went to this physical therapist for my neck and ended up doing more shoulder stability and hip work, and that's ultimately what's gotten my neck better. Um, because we can't really work on the neck in isolation in that. So um I really I really understand where you're coming from on the stability thing because that's a lot of like what he's having me try to work on. Um and I'm I'm getting like at least closer to the source of the problem of like understanding what that instability really feels like, especially like one side to another, or like my right shoulder's relatively stable, especially compared to the left, and now I'm like doing exactly what we described earlier of like hold the core tight and then move the arm versus like I can move my arm all over the place. I'm hypermobile, but if I actually engage my core right, it's like a much more limited range of motion that actually has like some real strength behind it. Uh going back even further, what you see you said Pilates weightlifting 2008, finishing uh physical therapy school 10 years later. I also I studied uh exercise science at the University of Houston, and then I did observation hours was a with a physical therapist, like in trying to prepare to go to PT school. I realized, like kind of I guess in the clinical setting, that that wasn't for me on what I imagine you experienced once you were actually in the clinical setting. But what made you want to start and finish PT school?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:34

Well, it was from being a poor dancer, really. That would probably be the answer. Uh yeah, I from the from when I was very little, I wanted to be a dancer. You know, I had that that dream, ballerina dream. And then once I got to, you know, do more dancing and and dancing in college, I really loved modern dance. And so after I graduated from UT, I went to I moved to New York City to dance. And you know, I I became more of a choreographer there as well as a as a dancer, and that's where I started to learn Pilates was I was I was trained in New York City with people that trained directly with Joseph Pilates actually. Oh, cool. Yeah, it was pretty cool. So, you know, you you had that in New York, you don't have that in Austin, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

So got John Danaher. You got John Danaher.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:26

We do have John Danaher now. We we switched. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

Right, but that's like doing jujitsu with Helio Gracie, right? Or like doing jujitsu with one of the guys that trained directly with him.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:38

Right. So, you know, I was I was living and working in New York City, you know, teaching Pilates, and I was just like, it was a grind. It's a huge grind. I mean, I was like a zombie, and I've just living on caffeine, you know, I got like that New York City skinny. You know what I'm saying? Um, just like walking everywhere, and I I I got kind of tired of it. You know, and I thought, well, you know, physical therapy is something that I could do for a very long time. I'm I'm I was more interested in movement. So I I thought about going back to school and being a medical doctor, but that was just too much schooling and like too much money and too much debt. And I didn't want to, I didn't want to treat sick people or have to like make life, you know, life or death decisions. So um I did my prereqs up in Boston. I had moved from New York to Boston by that time. And uh yeah, and then I moved back to Austin because I I by that time I was ready to be back home. I had been gone for nine years and was just like, you know what, I'm tired of the cold weather and I want to be back in Austin. So and this was so I moved back in 20 gosh, 2014. And so that I was gone from 05 to 14, which is when Austin really started like blowing up. Like oh eight was like really the I think when like the tech moved here. When did you go Google move here?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:00

But anyway, yeah, I don't know, because like Dell campus is not far from here, and from when I was a kid, I grew up in the city. Dell's Dell's been here for a long time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:09

So anyway, so when I moved back, it was just a totally different town. And uh, you know, it's interesting that you bring up, you know, finishing phys uh physical therapy and and all of that, because yeah, it is a grind working in a clinic as a physical therapist, and you don't feel at least I I didn't feel like I had uh all of the time and the tools to help people the way that I wanted to, and that which is why I had to start my own practice, right? Just to like but also to make the money that I wanted to make because I was I was capped out at that at that point. So it's you know, it's definitely been uh a process, a journey. And I'm even thinking about potentially not keeping my license as a physical therapist in the state of Texas because it's kind of limiting. Like I can only treat people in Texas, right? Like I can't trip treat people in other countries or other parts of the state. I have to get license in that state, right? So it's it's a blessing and a curse, I think, too. Like it's it's both, it's it's a little bit, I'm kind of I'm deciding that still, you know. I have a couple years, I just I just renewed my license this past year, but it can be a bit of a liability.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:21

Yeah, I wanted to talk about that because back when I was doing observation hours at a physical therapist, um, this would have been probably 2017, somewhere in that timeline. And I didn't know that last year in September they had changed it, where you can now finally go to a physical therapist without like whatever the doctor, like a prescription, I guess, from one doctor to a physical therapist.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:44

So who also was also a doctor, yeah. Yeah, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:47

So maybe for your context, like in Texas up until last September, I couldn't just go to a physical therapist. I had to go to Dr. Juice, and then you could send me to her. So then you get a whole visit out of it. I've always assumed that was kind of like the lobbying side of it, and maybe even some imaging.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:07

Yeah, some money for her, some imaging. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:10

And I was like, man, this is this is insane because like I just saw a lot of really awkward in patient interactions. Like I saw a drug addict go to physical therapy because their doctor had finally said, like, I'm not gonna write you another script until you go to physical therapy. And then this woman's at physical therapy telling the PT, hey, I'm just here so I can get my drugs. I'm not gonna do anything you tell me to do. And I was like, man, this whole system is really messed up. And then, you know, people like me, I couldn't just like the guy I was observing with, I couldn't just like go be a patient of his on my own. And I thought that was like ridiculous because I already had like plenty of stuff for him to work on, but I didn't like have that other doctor referral. So I've noticed that that changed.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:57

Well, it changed to from 10 days to 30 days, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:59

Yeah, so that's what I was gonna say, where it's like it's a maximum of 30 days. Now, is that any visits within 30 days or like 30, like just time stamped from the first of the month to the 30th?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:10

It's 30 business days.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:12

Yeah. And then it also seems like in say if I have insurance and now I can go see you as a physical therapist in Texas, my insurance probably won't even cover it in that setting, right? Like without the referral from another doctor.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:26

So for a cash-based practice, you mean, or for any practice?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:29

I guess for a practice that does take insurance.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:32

I don't so insurance is gonna be different for any, like that, that's there's no umbrella rule for what doesn't does insurance cover PT or not. That's gonna depend on their plan. Right. But yeah, no, you're you're absolutely right that it's because the the medical association kind of like rules the the govern the governing bodies here in in in Texas. And so the the medical doctors would lose out on a lot of money, a lot of money, if people could just come to a PT directly.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:06

And that's why the law is the way that it is. But but this is not, I mean, it used to be that you had to have a referral no matter what, right? And now we finally got the 30, the 30-day thing. Before it was the 10-day um time frame where you could see a PT without a referral. So you can come in and see me, do it. I could do an initial evaluation and do like a few sessions over the course of 10 business days, right? And that's not like it's not gonna get you much. No, right? Then you still have to go get a doctor's referral. But the 30-day thing is is is better, but not very many people will get better within that time frame. They'll still most of the time need to go see a doctor to get a referral.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:46

Well, and like for the example of the guy I'm seeing, he doesn't do any insurance and it's just like cash-based. Yes, I'm cash-based as well. Yeah, yeah. And it seems for me, that was a better option. Where it's like, all right, I'll just pay you for the time I come to you. Um do you think like it does it seem like as a PT, if you want like any kind of freedom that you kind of have to go into that cash model?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:09

Probably, I think so. I mean, that's and that's what I've done. And I will say too, I think it's also better for the client, it's better for the patient because yes, you're having to pay the money up front, but you're getting so much more out of your experience. And you're because you're just paying a a higher premium, then you're you're more likely to actually do the exercises that we're we're telling you to do. You know, like you're more invested in it and you're gonna get a lot more out of it. Yeah, you're gonna get better faster. That that has been my experience across the board from working in a clinic versus with my with my clients now. The accounts get bit they get better so much faster. It's insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:48

Yeah, and you had mentioned it earlier of like the ratio of like, you know, a coach or whatever setting to like the patient or athlete. And like, yeah, with mine, I get a guy's undivided attention. He's either cueing me or taking video to show me. And like I could not get hurt in those sessions because he is just like super watchable over it, and it definitely seems like that's that's the way to be um now.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:14

You still have to you still have to get a referral for somebody, whether they're cash-based or not.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:18

Well, I guess in his case, then maybe he's not even using the physical therapy license anymore, and then it's just like whatever. Yeah, okay. I have a personal kind of rant, but I have more I have more physical therapy questions for you.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:32

Let's all do it. I'm all about personal rants and whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:34

So I I don't know. I'm curious if you care about this at all because I keep using PT, and when I use PT, I'm referring referring to a physical therapist, not a personal trainer.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:47

Ah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:48

As a physical therapist, do you ever feel like personal trainers are trying to market themselves as like an actual DPT by just like blurring the lines on PT?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:00

I don't think so.

unknown 1:14:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:02

I really don't.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:03

It's become like doesn't bother me. That's good to hear, and I should calm down, but I'm always like Are you is that a key thing for you? Yeah, like not keated, I guess, but I just feel like there is such a massive. I feel like physical therapists are underrespected. Maybe that's the the better way to start my position because like I kind of like worked with one and I I really respected him. Yeah. And like some personal trainers will tell you to do the similar stuff as a physical therapist, and they can help you with pain sometimes. Um, but I think that sometimes the personal trainers blur the lines way too much and don't stay in maybe their lane and like putting the respect and just to the general knowledge that like a DPT is gonna have over like I could go get NASA certified on this laptop, like in the time of this podcast to be a personal trainer. I I don't know for sure, but I've done some NASA stuff before, it's not very hard. Whereas like I don't know exactly what you went through for physical therapy school, but it's like it's a postgraduate thing, right? You I don't know how many hours of episode pretty much went to hell and back to school.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:10

Um multiple times at this point. But um no, but uh no, I I hear what you're saying. It it does I think there's there's certain uh companies, shall we say, that do kind of blur the lines a little bit that are out there. Um and I I do think that in some ways I don't like calling myself a physical therapist sometimes because I think there can be a negative connotation with that because there could be, I think because of how insurance um now is like not, it's it's really an insurance problem, right? Because insurance is not reimbursing properly for physical therapy, then physical therapy clinics have now, in order for them to stay afloat, they have to pack in all the all the clients, you know. So then, you know, physical therapists are having to see 20 or 30 people a day, which is insane. Um, so it's not it's not the physical therapist's fault necessarily, but it's just this, it's the whole system is broken, right? And so uh, but you know, there are I think I'm not I'm not too threatened by it or I I don't have a huge problem with it because I also know a lot of personal trainers who are highly educated, and I respect their and I their education as well. Yeah, so I think that's why I don't have that, you know, I'm not I'm not I don't have a problem with it, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:33

No, that that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:35

Um it can get a little blurry out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:38

Some you know, we we talked about like technology, um, and I'm thinking about like this part of the pinky from our phones, but from like a physical therapy perspective, what is happening to our bodies from like all the time on a cell phone, on a screen, or sitting down?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:57

To like the musculoskeletal system.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:00

Yeah. Okay, I don't want I don't want to say sitting is bad for you because it's not that sitting is bad for you, it's just that if you don't do something to counteract the sitting, that's when we run into problems, right? If you're just sitting all of the time and like not doing very much walking, that's that's that's the problem. So, you know, we are all you know, fitness health people, like we we can sit here for you know a long time and that and that's okay because we know that we're gonna exercise either today or yesterday or tomorrow or whatever, right? And that that that's good. But yeah, the the forward head posture is is a problem because it affects your whole body. And the forward head posture is what we get when we're looking at a screen, you know, especially sitting at a computer or something like that. And that you you develop what's called upper cross syndrome, where your you know, muscles in the front are tighter and weak, and then the muscles in the back, uh like the upper back, for example, um, are lengthened and weak, but then but then the muscles in the neck get shortened as well, and the suboccipital muscles get shortened. And so that that has you know that that leads to major posture problems and poor posture is it it can really lead to a bunch of different you know syndromes, right? It can even affect your organs, right? Because if your organs are if they don't have enough space to move and glide and do what they need to do, because your organs move when you move, right? And being and being sedentary affects also your ability to, you know, like have a bowel movement, right? Like that's it's a overall health issue, don't doing too much sitting or being too sedentary. So, you know, that's why I like to include my you know the Pilates work because it does treat your whole body and it is very posturally like it's posture forward, you know, where like we're like we're treating your treating your your your posture so that you can breathe better, right? When we're in a slotch position, we're not gonna be able to take a full deep breath, and that's gonna affect your diaphragm, which affects her core. You know, I could probably go along a long time with this. So it yeah, it it has a lot of re uh repercussions.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:25

I feel like it's gonna be um some kind of common practice to encourage people to like, like you said, kind of undo the the texting neck. Right? Like that's like a yes, and then with undoing things, I feel like everything now is like hack it or streamline it and make it as fast as possible. Where I feel like people kind of treat like a lot of health and fitness things that way now as well. So I'm like I've always had like a drab vision of like the future of exercise and fitness and stuff because I feel like more people are spending more time on screens, especially kids too. And then I think there will be a voice of reason like, no, if if you're gonna do that, we gotta go do some exercise. But I've had this like very negative view of the future where people will just do the absolute bare minimum to kind of undo all of like the upper cross syndrome and and things like that. And I I hope that we can still do things that are like fun fitness activities that can help like solve those problems because everyone's dealing with it. I don't know anybody that doesn't have a phone. Everybody I know is upper crossed, right? So now we're kind of shifting from like some people may have had that, like a typist used to have it or something, and it was less common, and now it's like every person I know has a forward head.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:47

What why is it called upper crossed?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:49

Upper cross syndrome. Upper cross syndrome because if you look at it from the uh from the side, right? It's like across. Say if my I was like looking this way. I was looking this way, right? Across the front is is shortened and then the back is lengthened.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:04

Okay, gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:05

Like if you're looking at a profile view.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:07

So it is is it is and lower cross would be for hips. So like if or if you have like a pelvic tilt, that would be a a lower cross syndrome.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:15

What would be the common like behavior that would would cause that or something like that?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:20

A lower cross syndrome. Uh it just it just depends on how your pelvis is tilted. Okay. Yeah. It's so it it's not really a behavior per se, but if you say if you eat like sat a lot or something, then you could have like a lower cross syndrome because your hip flexors are tight. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:36

Which leads me to another syndrome that I I wrote down here because we joked a lot about it, but dead butt syndrome.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:44

Oh yes, glutes amnesia.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:46

Yeah. Dead butt. That's a real thing. Yeah, bro. Glute amnesia. I was trying to explain this to him, and I guess like you we were just joking about it, but yeah, it's very real. I feel like I just came out of dead butt syndrome where I'm still like struggling through. You just came out of dead butt? Yeah, dead butt.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:02

It happens. How old are you?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:04

32.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:05

Okay, yeah, that's about the right time.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:07

I also know how you do that. Like again, my point of the style of jujitsu, it's like being a guard player. I feel like that's what made it worse. Was because the way I can get through doing rounds and rounds and rounds of jujitsu and never use my glutes. Yeah. You know, I'm just like all hip flexors and like Tibbs, you know. Tibbs, Tibbs, Tibbs, um, shout out tibs. But yeah, I feel like the all of these things, like now I have different prep work and different things I do throughout the week to try to not have a dead butt, right? And I feel like the human fitness model is just going to shift into like fixing the uppercrossed and doing the dead butt. And that just sounds really boring. And that's that's like my concern is like how can we figure out ways to be all the time so that way we don't have to do as much opposite and equal kind of work.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:55

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I I do little like movement um movement bits during during my day. People call them movement snacks now. There's that term out there. Like that. Movement snacks.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:07

Sounds like like a buzzfeed article. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:10

I didn't like using that. I'm just calling a break, a movement break. Okay. Break taking a break. Um, but like I'll do like 30 squats, you know, between clients or something. Um no, I if I if I could only do one exercise forever, and that would be like the only one thing I could do, probably be kettlebell swings. Nice. Because it gets your it gets your posterior chain, which is arguably the most important in our day and age. And it gets your cardio.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:42

So there's that. But I also swings.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:48

Really heavy ones. Um but also uh reverse hypers, I love those too for the posterior chain.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:56

Oh what about if you had two exercises or movements to just like your entire body until the end of time.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:09

I would probably um gosh. I would probably do pull-ups and hypers.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:17

Yeah, I I reverse hypers. Um squats and pull-ups.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:21

Yeah, squats and pull-ups, though that's good too.

unknown 1:24:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:24

Yeah, so it does sound like we just have to do something opposite to what's causing. Yeah, work your posterior chain. Yeah, everything posterior.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:32

I don't think people are gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:34

You don't think so?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:35

I mean, I think people like us will. It's so simple. But I feel like my my concern is like just like the average person, you know? And like so many people are spending tons of time on their phones. And I'm curious, like, it would probably take like generations of doing that to see like if there's actual changes to people's bodies over time from it. But like I said with the pinky thing, I feel like we're already seeing some level of evolution happen with people where like you could preach all day to do the posterior chain, but I think the people it gets through to are already like probably people like us. And then like I'm just trying to figure out like what do we need to do to develop like the desk at school to where it doesn't force kids to start having these symptoms.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:14

Well, well, yeah, because well then schools have to change, and schools are changing a bit a little bit at a time, I think, right now, because there's those there's those like un-schools now, those anti-school schools, uh, where kids are just like are it's like it's like student-led where like kids are like leading the activities and stuff, which I think is cool. But I don't know, I'm not here to save everyone.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:36

No, but you at least you at least have the knowledge to say, like, all right, if I'm on my phone eight hours a day and I'm doing this, like what should I do on my breaks to try to like undo a little bit of that?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:46

Yeah, well, yeah, undo so do like some backbending, do some squats, do some lunges.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:51

Yeah, and I feel that like the combination of being on my phone and doing jujitsu is like just doubly bad for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:56

I would like to talk about also, but people doing exercises poorly. I've had this, I've had this YouTube channel idea. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:05

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:06

Where it's called it's called You're Doing It Wrong. Love it. Okay. And it's all about let's do it. You're doing it wrong with Shelly Hart. Yeah, exactly. You're doing it wrong. Um I had I I got that name from an actually a polite teacher, his name was Michael Johnson back in New York City, and he'd talk like this, like like this, and he'd be like, Hey, uh, green shirt, you're doing it wrong. But he wouldn't actually correct the guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:32

He'd just be nice, you're doing it wrong. And scene.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:36

Um, but um like when guys do like those fast put like but short push-ups.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:42

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:43

What's that about? What's that about?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:46

Big number means big muscle.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:49

But you're not even doing an actual push-up. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:53

I I'm I'm with you. Like what I love form.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:56

What's the yeah? Form is where it's at. Form is where it's at.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:00

He he recently joined some of like these group workouts that uh we do together, but we've I've been doing with a little crew, and he actually has form, and everybody else is like cheating the push-ups, like short, shallow range push-ups, and he's over here doing like strict, yeah, perfect form and suffering the consequences from doing it right too, because his heart rate was higher than everybody else's, and it's like I can see that you are pushing yourself harder because you are doing it right. Exactly. I could answer your question of what you're doing, but I don't think my answer is talking about the guys that you're thinking of doing it. Because the only thing I was thinking of is like in Muay Thai training, you do a lot of like the really shallow push ups. But I would argue that in that it like is actually helping develop like the guard a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:46

Yeah, for speed, I get that.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:48

Whereas just in general, yeah, it's like I I've been working on that specific thing on push ups of like lengthening it, getting as much through, and from cueing from my physical therapist of like learning how to do. Something I've been doing forever, like a push-up, but engaging basically like my core the right way.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:04

Yeah, there's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:07

Yeah. There's so much. And like you talked about being like a into technique. Like it's crazy how much you can continue. Like I'm sure with Pilates you've done like the routines or the sequences, but like you can still learn and develop a lot even after years and years of practice.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:20

It's so true.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:21

I love this series.

unknown 1:28:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:24

Yeah, is it is it like Vikram yoga in the sense that there's like a consistent like process for doing a Pilates class?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:31

Like a like like an order? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There is an order. Okay. And there's a you know, there's generally a like a beginner, intermediate, advanced, and super advanced routine that you do. But in the in a general class, like it there's probably, you know, like you would like pick and choose which which ones to do for somebody. Like if I'm teaching somebody as an individual, I will kind of stay to that, stay true to the order, but I might skip some exercises if they're not appropriate for that person, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:04

Yeah. That's cool. I gotta, I gotta give this stuff a try. Um you would love it. What what is wrong with physical therapy?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:13

We kind of talked about that already. Yeah. Yeah. About just how the system's broken.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:18

And you know, physical therapists are not given the tools and the time to be able to treat clients properly. And it it's kind of like it's like I worked at a a clinic, uh, a few different clinics, but I've worked at this one specific clinic for three years, and they would have like repeat clients come in. Now these are like older folks, like this is like a Medicare heavy clinic, right? Yeah. And it was just, you know, I could see that like there was no real progress actually being made, but it was only because of how the format was. You know, there just wasn't enough time per patient.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:56

Yeah, I think about it, like I I couldn't say for physical therapy, but I'm thinking in like terms of prescriptions within like a regular doctor with insurance, where like maybe I have bad insurance, I go to the doctor, he's like, Hey, you need this medicine. And I'm like, Cool, thank you. Go to the pharmacy, and they're like, sorry, your insurance won't cover the medicine your doctor thinks you need, but will cover something that's like maybe kind of similar or close. And like, do you does that kind of same thing happen with physical therapists where like a physical therapist might tell the insurance, like, hey, this guy needs to come twice a week, but they're not gonna pay for it?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:30

Yeah, it can happen. Now, usually the therapist will then appeal that whole process, you know, where we'll fight for for that patient to be able to come back. But often sometimes it's you know, sometimes it's also Medicare clients just using it as a social club, you know. Like honestly, honestly, like, you know, I I had a a client one time who he was also seeing a personal trainer and doing physical therapy. And you know, we got to the point in his physical therapy where it was now mostly doing exercises and not just manual work or anything like that. And he would say, Oh yeah, me and my personal trainer do this all the time. And then, you know, his script was up from from the from the insurance, and I was like, Well, okay, well, it looks like you're discharged now because you're able to do all these things, you've met all your goals, and you're already doing all of this with personal training. And he had a conniption fit. Yes, he wasn't one of he wasn't one of my regular people. He I I saw him like a few times, and yeah, he was not happy to hear that. I was just like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:36

Um that's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:39

And there's and he can't like I know he he just he just kept wanting to he wanted to keep coming because that was like his social hour.

unknown 1:31:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:47

Well, and that was part of when I did observation hours, kind of related to that, was what made me be like, oh, I don't I don't know if this is actually what I want to spend the rest of my life doing. Because I always like sports and I was like an athlete at the time, and I was around a bunch of really cool athletes, and I was in Houston, where there's like the Houston Rockets and the Texans, like there's it's a big sports city. So in my mind, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go become a physical therapist, and I'm gonna be working on like the starting lineup of the Texans every day, you know? Like and just and that was like the kind of the hope, right? Like I wanted to work with high-level athletes. Yes, and I go to this guy's office, and it was just like people over the age of 65, knees and lower back, knees and lower back, knees and lower back. And the exercises were the exact same, pretty much, for whether it was a knee or a lower back.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:33

That's weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:34

I mean, there were there was there was like a lot of similarities, right? It's getting posterior chain stuff, right? And so I'm like, okay, I'm seeing the same, a lot of the repeating the same thing every day. And I was like, man, I just I couldn't I couldn't do that. Yeah, it's just too too monotonous for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:52

Um that's that's kind of how it was as well at this at this clinic, a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:57

So it sounds like there's not much wrong with physical therapy. There's something wrong with the insurance and just like that whole world of medical insurance.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:06

Totally. Now I will say, kind of going back to like what kept me in physical therapy, you know, because going into to school, PT school, I wanted to be a sports therapist too, right? But then the more I learned, the more I was interested in uh the neuro aspect of it, but but specifically outpatient neuro. So like working with stroke patients or MS or Parkinson's in particular. Yeah. And so that that kept me going in the career, like kept me going, you know, as a as a physical therapist because you got to see so many cool improvements working with the the neuro crowd. And it's just, you know, it's it's it's more, I think, fulfilling as a therapist when it's something like that. Do you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:51

That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. We had uh one of our boxing coaches on, and he was saying that at his old gym in Santa Barbara, California, that they did Parkinson's classes. Okay. And how helpful like he could even see the difference between the people that would come in and do boxing for Parkinson's classes. Yeah, boxing for Parkinson's really like a huge thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:07

The same that's only that's actually my like only experience with boxing. Um, when I lived in Georgia, I did volunteer work and I did I led like boxing for Parkinson's patients. Oh my gosh, that's awesome. So that's like how I know the numbers. Oh, like the one yeah, literally that's like that's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:25

Yeah, I wanna I want to I wanna teach a uh jujitsu class for neuro clients, though. Like I have a friend who has cerebral palsy and I didn't want her to get into it and she would she would love it. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, and like my MS patients, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:39

That's been something like you know, why I stick with teaching jujitsu is like the fulfillment part, right? And for the same reasons I've worked with like I don't know how many people compared to you, and you probably end up having more patients, but like I've worked with people with a missing limb, and it's like all right, how do we do jujitsu occupational therapy for somebody that can't use that arm? Yeah, you know, which creates like really interesting answers because there's there's times that I'm like, nah, yeah, man, you can't do this move. I'm sorry, and then I'm like, wait, no, you can, you can just only do it on one side of the body, you know, which is I think that's nitty.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:14

Nasty punch choke, bro, with a dub.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:16

That's what I'm fish.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:18

Yeah, get it right into it.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:21

Oh yeah, that would be nasty.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:25

Um, all right, now we can get into the the real nitty-gritty. Um yeah, what's it? Yeah, well, we we we had talked about we had talked about biofields and um I don't know if we had talked about the quantum biology, but you've piqued my interest. Um do you wanna do you have anything off the off the dome about it?

SPEAKER_04 1:35:48

Well, not not a ton about I'm I'm still learning about it myself.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:53

So, but it but it explains things like what you're talking about when how you sense when somebody's at your home before they knock on the door, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:03

Just imagine him on the couch, he's like Wiko's here.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:10

You felt your presence.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:12

Like Peter Parker, it's like the back of my head that stands as.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:17

My bald besties.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:19

Your spidey sense. Um, no, but it's it talks about using quantum physics, you know, the terms like um entanglement and tunneling is a big one, and coherence when when trying to describe physiological mechanisms. I can't speak to anything too specifically, but just the idea like I thought that we knew how photosynthesis works. We don't.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:48

Yeah, that was my entire experience in like the science department, is we just don't know how anything really works.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:54

Yeah. Or at least in like biology. A lot of unanswered questions for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:59

And that's how the quantum biology tries to bridge the gap there in the knowledge. But I don't, I don't, I can't speak to anything too specific about it, but I just know that that's how a lot of systems in our body like operate.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:13

Yeah, so there was like these three examples that I saw that people use for the quantum biology, and one being like photosynthesis, and then the other one being like enzyme catalysis, which is I feel like a lot more to explain. But then the third one that keeps coming up is the like bird navigation.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:30

Ooh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:32

So bird navigation is widely believed to involve quantum biology specifically through a mechanism that allows birds to see Earth's magnetic field lines. But either way, migratory birds have some sense of direction, right? Uh-huh. And that's definitely there's probably not a cut and clear answer from like the scientific community as to how and why. So I guess like quantum biology is kind of like a word that you could use to cover these mysteries that we have. Quantum biology, that's the answer. Quantum biology. Don't need to look into it anymore. It's just a big drug.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:07

It's like just a big shrug, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:09

Quantum biology, but I mean, my experience being a student had moments like that where it's like, hey, how exactly does this work? I mean, that's how prescription growth is.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:18

But it had with biology too. I was like, it's just like labeling a bunch of things. Like it doesn't actually explain how it works.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:25

Yeah, the anatomy side makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:27

It does. Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:28

Like putting SEM is good.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:31

Yeah, because we got that.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:32

That I actually found like probably the most helpful part of me studying anatomy and physiology was just having anatomy for doing jujitsu. Because like I wonder what it's like for you being in the jujitsu environment, knowing like all of the anatomy. But I think it's like not cringy if it's if you're using like a common term, like a leg, that's fine. But when people try to use like technical terms like incorrectly, I'm like, man, you don't even know like what you're talking about. It's called a leg. It's fine, you know? Like the amount of times I've heard fibia.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:08

Oh, that's not even a thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:10

Exactly. Or what would be the other way to say it? Tibula.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:13

Tibula. Yeah. My tibula's out.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:16

It's kind of like blinker fluid, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:39:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:21

Um, but I I certainly think that uh we have a very long way to go. I'm actually excited on like the AI side. Have you heard people making these pushes where like instead of training them on like languages, but try to like train them on like physics and chemistry to see what they can output compared to just like language models, which made me exciting.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:44

Why wouldn't they do that? Like what that's only now happening? Like that should be should that that should be like the whole purpose of AI.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:50

I don't understand any of it. I just know that AI is uh it's it's like why our economy is still propped up right now. So for that, it's like okay, that's the the kind of the world we're living in now. Is that it's it's got to it's gonna stick around, it's gonna last because it's like the only thing holding it together, especially now that we're in like another world war kind of situation. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:16

Are we done are we are we calling it a world war yet?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:18

I don't think anyone really is. They keep like kicking the can down the road beams where it's like, no, what's happened so far isn't it, but if this next escalation happens, then it will be. And I'm like, all right, maybe just more time will tell. My take was last summer that it started, right? They had a 12-day war, and I'm like, come on, this is not over in 12 days. Yeah, no. But um, I just have like a lot of concern being in like the health and fitness spaces, right? Like Pilates, physical therapy, jujitsu, anything that's like health and fitness related. Um, because of what my original like bigger problem with it was obesity, where I was like super concerned seeing especially Americans were like probably the fattest country, and for a while that was just going up. It seems that we've kind of like passed the peak of the bell curve, which I think could be related to multiple factors, but I think at least a part of that is like the uh GLP1s and different injections people are taking, which again initially I was like, Oh, I'm not a fan of that, but it's helping a lot of people lose a lot of weight, which was like one of my biggest concerns kind of from the beginning of me getting like actually a career in the health and fitness kind of world. And now I think of it more of like the kind of neurological side, just on like dead butt syndrome, upper cross, those kind of things, where it's just like the simple muscle neuron connection not working properly. Right. Like at least now we're not I'm not as concerned about obesity. I mean, I still think it's like a huge issue, and there's a lot of people like essentially killing themselves with it. Yeah. Um, but if that's being handled, then like making sure you're, you know, I don't even know what like metabolically healthy, but like neurologically healthy, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:07

I think well, metabolically and neurologically, they're they're this one and the same. So like our mitochondria is the the most important part of our cell argument. Shout out mitochondria. Shout out mitochondria, powerhouse of the and but it does so much more. It does a ton of stuff. And um they've even, I mean, going back to like mental health issues, right? Like they there's books about how mitochondria, like that that's at the root level of mental health issue, is it's a it's a mitochondria um metabolism problem. And that comes partially from what we eat, but also from like the light that we expose ourselves to as well. Um, you know, our the you know, the infrared light that we get from the sun, that's important for our health um and well-being because it goes straight to the mitochondria, which helps to build ATP, which helps to charge the water in our body, which helps with you know inflammation, decreasing our inflammation. Um but yeah, the diet, so diet is huge, right? When it comes to uh weight loss. It's like I think they say it's like 85% of weight loss is from the food you eat. Yeah. So people, you know, will come to me, even like if I, you know, was work at a clinic and had like obese people coming to me as well, like, you know, they would be like, oh well, I can't work out because I'm because my knees are injured. I'm like, well, actually, you know, I educate them on their diet and then they they didn't like me after that. They didn't want to see me. But you know, I've actually I've actually put around my diet quite a bit. Like I've I was carnivore for three years.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:48

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:49

And go going back to the the the GLP ones, I think um Paul Saladin Paul Saladino had uh he highlighted a research article or two about this that um the carnivore diet and the GLP one, that's the like the the the like the metabolic pathway is the same. So like you do you don't have to take GLP one, you can just go carnivore and get similar results with weight loss.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:16

Makes sense to me from like all of like the side effects and stuff. Yeah, like they like satiety or right, you're getting like the same effect in both, whether you're just eating meat or or taking the injection. I used to be at like maybe at like the first glance, I was extremely skeptical about uh like GLP ones. But over time I've realized that there's a lot of people, like you've said, you've you've worked with them. There's like obese people that they're just they just cannot get the weight off. They've tried different things. And like if it's working, I'm all here for it. Especially for that like population. I think like already thin people taking it is pretty concerning. But I don't know how to why would they take it? Well, I mean, you know, kind of like stay lean kind of ideas, I guess. I I've known quite a few people that are on it that I'm like, I don't know why you would risk the possible like side effects from it for what side effects benefit from well like when you lose the weight because it's kind of like almost like a carnivore state, like you're not eating that much, and depending on what activity or level that you're doing, like not the weight, it's not all just like fat being burned off. It's not just like uh turning every every you know ounce that you lose was pure fat that's gone from your body. So you can like lower your bone density and muscle mass.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:36

Yeah, and that's you can maintain a bond too, but it can't affect that.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:41

Like imagine me on a GLP one, dude. I would wither away. Exactly. It would be dumb.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:47

Yeah, it'd be dumb.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:48

It'd be like trim right before I died.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:50

No, but I was on I was on carnivore actually to get off of one of my medications, and I had tried with my doctor to get off this medication with like three different combinations, and it it didn't work ultimately. And then I did carnivore for a month, three months, three months, and then I was off of that medication.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:12

That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:13

That's pretty darn cool. Yeah, and I was stronger, like I felt really good. But then there's just a switch went off in my in my body, and like red meat no longer is like appetizing to me anymore. Uh, so now I'm going the Ayurvedic route.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:29

What is that?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:30

Ayurvedic. It's uh from India originally. It's kind of like India's um, you know, kind of traditional medicine.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:39

And it's all based with like food and herbs, and you it's based on finding out what your dosha is, which is kind of like your body type. It's similar to that, but it's not about physical body type, it's about like your constitution of like what's your body temperature tend to be. Like, do you tend to run cold or hot or you know, what have you? So it's very, it's kind of more individualized, and you can have combinations. Like I'm I'm I'm I'm pitta and vata. Um, there's like there's like three main ones. The other one's khaff.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:09

Okay, good. No, sorry, I was like, I'm glad you're you're breaking it down because I was like, is it like a uh like you hit different um like metrics and it's like a siding scale, or is it like like classes?

SPEAKER_04 1:47:22

You know, it's based on kind of like a questionnaire of like what like what your tendencies are and what your preferences are. And so, but it's also based on the elements like fire, earth, water, ether, and one other thing. What's ether? What's ether? What's ether? Ether is what connects all of us. Tight juice. It connects all of us. Yeah, it's like I don't know, it's hard to explain what the ether is, but it's it's this thing is it's out there. We're swimming in it right now. Yeah. Um, so anyway, but I I I'm a fan of RV Vedic because it just it makes you feel good in general. Like you you know, like, okay, it's you you have you have a guide of like, okay, I can only have like warm, warm drinks, or I can have this type of spice versus that type of spice, but there's still a good amount of variety in it. You know, whereas carnivore, there's there's little variety. Yeah, can you um but I didn't mind when I was on carnivore. I didn't mind steak and eggs all the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:25

What are what are the the rules of carnivore again?

SPEAKER_04 1:48:29

So there's a there's a spectrum of carnivore. Oh, okay. Um I I actually read three different books on carnivore before going for it because it was so dramatic. And I was vegan before that. Okay. Like big sweet. I yeah. So I I like, you know, I experiment with my diet quite a bit. So I read, you know, three of them, and then so Paul Saladino's book was like the main one that I really remember. And you know, it's so but the the the spectrum is like, okay, the more um the the less strict one is basically you can have meat and dairy. So you can have milk and cheese and fruit, like like like berries, but not fruit that has like very little sugar.

unknown 1:49:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:16

Um, and then the other spectrum is only meat and organs. And that's it. So there's some like variety in the between. So I was on like the meat and cheese and eggs. Oh yeah, you have you get eggs in all of them. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:36

So um Tyson, when we had Tyson on, he was talking about the fight camp. Do you remember the stuff for the fight camp? Was it I feel like it's it was carnivore.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:46

I wouldn't say it was carnivore, it was like to me, maybe closer to like paleo. Okay. Meaning like Because there's veg. Yeah, you could have like lettuce and stuff, which I think like in carnivore. Vegetables are a big no no in carnivore land, carnivore land. Okay. You could have like fruits and vegetables with it. So to me, that'd be like more on the side of the paleo. Okay. Paleo was my best experience. Like when I first started like actual dieting, I was like in high school and competing a lot in jujitsu and like trying to figure out weight classes and just like feeling out my own performance. That diet really worked for me at that time to like get trim but have really good performance at the same time. I've tried a bunch of different things. I've never I've never gone probably more than like 24-36 hours of like strict carnivore. I just never I don't have the drive to do it. Every time I've ever tried, I get like the blood sugar crash, which I'm sure you just gotta like push through and you probably feel fine after. But like I get that crash and I'm like, no, I'm gonna have something sweet and kind of perk my brain back up. Yeah. How how is paleo different from keto again? I think in a way that's like a square is still a rectangle. So it could you could have like a keto paleo diet at this point. It's pretty high. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:06

A keto is just a very low carb diet. I think I think there's I can't remember the number of carbs that are allowed on keto, like 20 or 15 carbs, I think, a day, something like that, which is very low. Yeah. So like, but vegetables have a lot of carbs in them. Yeah. So you'd have to have a a paleo diet with like a low carb.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:23

Yeah. So you could you could do both. What other have you done any other um kinds of diets and stuff that you remember?

SPEAKER_04 1:51:30

The the most stupid one I did was I tried to do a keto vegan diet. That was dumb. Because talk about talk about blood sugar. Yeah, you just how do you even do a keto but uh but vegan? But vegan, like a bunch of nuts and shit? Yeah, yeah. Where's the protein coming in from? Why did I do that? I don't fucking know. Um uh like two weeks. Oh yeah. It didn't last very long. Um what other diets have I done? I mean, just regular food, whatever. Um, but yeah, I think I was vegan and yeah, for like I said, for three years and then carnivore, and then Ayurvedic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:09

And how long have you been doing it's uh Ayuruvic?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:13

Yeah, Ayurvedic. Are you vetic? You said that at first. Not for very long. Not for I've only been doing it for like two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:21

Okay, yeah, and you enjoy it?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:23

Like I'm enjoying it a lot, yeah. I'm enjoying like cooking meals again, you know, because before it was just very utilitarian, just like let's make some meat, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:32

I feel like every carnivore person like just eats on a cutting board. Yeah, like the carnivore plate because you just like use the cutting board for your dish.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:42

Um I I'm curious, like being a physical therapist, every physical therapist I've ever been around has been like an absolute physical specimen of some kind, right? Like I I think there's like more hacking in like the physical therapist world. Um do you like what's it been like for you on the mat? And has your experience in physical therapy helped you stay like protected and safe on the mat, or are you subject to all the same injuries the rest of us are from jujitsu?

SPEAKER_04 1:53:11

I feel like I'm less injury prone. Yeah, I've been because I can feel when an injury is going to start to happen. Like my neck, for example, right? Like if I trained for like too many days in a row, I'll have like I'll get like jujitsu you know, jujitsu neck. Yeah, you know, where it's like kind of stiff and achy, you know, all the time. Yeah. And but return, you're like, Yeah. Exactly. Uh like checking the rear view. Like, yeah, exactly. That's the worst. Check the blind, check the blind spot. Um, so I know how to like mitigate injuries, you know. I didn't like using the term prevent injury because I don't think that's realistic in jujitsu, but you can mitigate it and you can keep it from being like, you know, bad, like, you know, than it otherwise would be. Yeah. So so yes, I think I have a little bit of an advantage.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:03

Yeah, I feel like it's maybe just like from like the school, but every PT I've known is also into fitness. I've never really met any that weren't like really an athlete basically themselves. And I just feel like they've figured it out. The guy that I was working for did Iron Man's, and he could do all sorts of stuff that I didn't think was humanly possible. And I was like, like he would do like a pull-up bar, but then go horizontal maintain that while doing like like row pull-ups, like a front lever. But he would be under the bar. Yeah, yeah, gotcha. Yeah, and I was like, man, like I and from my perspective to him, he's like, Yeah, I just figured out how the body works. Like, I guess I guess there's some some uh benefits to it. Because like I studied exercise science, I learned anatomy, I learned some physiology, I learned some things that did help me as like a fight sports coach for like weight cutting. It did help a little bit, but nothing like major performance-wise. But I imagine like in physical therapy school, you eventually go over enough that like if you want to be an athlete and you harness all the education you have, you could probably come up with you know a good programming and the diet side of it, and everything kind of makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:13

Yeah, I've really been interested and curious about getting into rock climbing. Uh I think that could be fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:19

I feel like it's a super popular like crossover. Yeah, yeah, I think it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:25

There's very few things that you can mimic jujitsu and rock climbing is actually very close. It's super nerve-wracking. You're using your hands, you gotta have really mobile hips, like it's more with your legs than people think it is. It definitely is. So there's there's definitely some some similarities there. Yeah. Why do you think that jujitsu is so good for mental health? Like, why what do you think it is about it?

SPEAKER_04 1:55:47

Gosh, so many things. So many things. I mean, just from the physiological aspect of it, the human interaction. I was about to say, I'm just here for the hugs, bro. Yeah, but but like, but like that's on multiple levels interacting. Like, yeah, you you get you're you're talking to somebody else, you know, you're you're touching somebody, you're getting also deep pressure. That deep pressure helps to like increase your oxytocin levels.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:12

Yeah, believe it.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:13

You know, yeah, and and uh and your serotonin. So I mean it's it's physiologically, you know, help helpful for your for your mental health. But then it's just also like having the community and especially if you have an accountability person, like that that's like wanting you to come to class with them or like asking like if you hadn't, you know, if you haven't been in a while or whatever, then it's like sense of belonging, right? That's huge from from for mental health. Yeah. I mean, there's I mean, gosh, we could probably think of like a hundred between the three of us reasons why it's so good for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:50

That's why, like, when I I don't know why I have such a negative view for the future of people like exercising, but I just think it's gonna get like dulled down into like eat like the food that this is all the nutrition you need, so like make it as small as possible and as f simple and as fast as possible. And I've felt like that's gonna have some similarity with like exercise, or it's gonna come into the exercise pod and it does it for you. Oh yeah, the machine that can like, yeah, right, but at least I do think I've always felt that jujitsu will be sticking around for a long time. Oh yeah, because for people to come get all these things at once, like you'd have to go do so many different things to get what jujitsu can give you, right? You'd have to like go to the bar and socialize, and then you gotta like go do the sets and reps for the exercise. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:30

And it's so healthy for I mean, even like the cardiovascular aspect of jujitsu that that you know you get that that high from you know, from your cardiovascular standpoint. And yeah, I mean there's just it checks so many boxes, you know, it really does getting the rage out too.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:50

That that was kind of what I was wanting to get to.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:52

Wow, yeah, especially for females. We got that sacred rage. Yeah, maybe maybe men have sacred rage too, though. Maybe they do.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:01

I don't I I don't I don't rage. I think one thing I need to work on is like actually amping up intensity.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:08

Oh, you're just you're you're there as like a friendly partner.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:11

Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, dude, choke him, choke him. Finish the guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:15

I can be that way sometimes too, though. I'm just like I I laugh a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:19

I laugh a ton. I'm just laughing and singing the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:24

No, but like on like the vibe of man, like women's matches, women's MMA fights, like there is definitely something about that type of aggression that's different from like the male aggression. And uh I also think like it takes like a pretty tough person to do jujitsu out of anyone. So like women that train are like doubly tough. Yes, you know, yes. Um, but I pick up on it because like you can see it, like it's I feel like they're I feel like with guys, like the win and lose is like a higher and a low, right? Like the the winner just feels great, the loser feels terrible. But I feel like when women compete, like they seem to both be at like the same intensity after, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:03

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:04

Like I feel like their competitive drive like operates differently than for guys. Um, my last question for you say we're gonna give you a super fight in jujitsu. So you're gonna go do the next WO. What's your walkout song gonna be?

unknown 1:59:19

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:20

I was gonna ask you guys for your walkout songs.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:23

Oh I'll go first. My my uh walkout song I always pick is uh So Fresh So Clean Outcast. Oh, that's fits you very well, yeah. I'm not surprised at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:35

Thanks.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:37

Ah, dang. I don't know the name of this one.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:40

Oh man, you can sing it. Yeah, he's uh he's an encyclopedian of all things musical.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:46

I'm gonna go with Eye of the Tiger. Classic. But there's this one like old school country song that's like it talks about rolling home or something or rollin'. I'm always rolling, and so yeah, something like that, whatever that song is, really.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:04

If you if you find it, it'll probably come to you like as you're driving off or something. Yeah, let me know. I'll send it to you. Yeah, that'll be great.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:11

Awesome. Well, thanks so much for for coming by and taking the time to talk with us about physical therapy. And um, if you want, you can like shout out where people can find you, your website, that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:23

Yeah, for sure. So my website is thegrapplerspt.com, and on Instagram I'm at thegrapplers pt. So easy to remember.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:30

Awesome. Well, thanks so much for watching, and we'll be back with another episode soon. Juice, you got anything?

SPEAKER_01 2:00:37

Um comment down below what you remember from biology class. The mitochondria is the powerhouses. Oh, thank you.