Don’t Let a Man Ruin Your Life (Ft. Erin Gibney)

On this episode of The Taylor Taylor Taylor Show, Taylor sits down with rising artist and unapologetic girls’ girl Erin Gibney for a conversation that blends identity, confidence, and building a brand that actually feels like you.

From curating a signature aesthetic (yes, we’re talking about the power of wearing red) to cultivating a deeply loyal female audience, Erin opens up about what it really takes to stand out in a saturated industry without losing yourself in the process.

The two dive into the realities of navigating visibility, the pressure to be “palatable,” and why women supporting women isn’t just a tagline, it’s a survival tactic. Plus, Erin shares advice for the next generation of girls watching her rise, and why confidence isn’t something you’re born with, it’s something you build.

It’s equal parts empowering, self-aware, and just unhinged enough to make you text your group chat immediately after.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Welcome to that picture on the Taylor Taylor Taylor. All stories discuss here on the legend advanced personal opinions. All those others do not represent any business.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to the Taylor Taylor Taylor Show. The show where we say things three times until they make sense. Today's guest is someone who looks amazing in red. Her music makes you want to do the opposite of Texture X.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

And your internet best friend, I have Erin Gibney here. Wheeler, what an introduction. I'm so excited to be here with you. I'm so excited that you're here. Okay, we have to talk about the red of it all. You have red so much, and that is the color I can never pull off. Oh my gosh. Well, you can pull off the Sabrina Carpenter look. So, like think, you know, think it trades off. It does, it trades off. It totally trades off. Um, it actually is like kind of an well, I guess it's a longer standing thing than I'll give it credit for. But um, yeah, I kind of started incorporating it into just my brand. Like I really wanted something that was identifiable to me. Of course, I'm not wearing red today, but I know how companion. I wanted something that like people would look at and be like, oh, that's so arranged. Yeah. Um yeah, and it gives you. Like it totally does give you. Now we talked about this a little bit before we recorded, but I would be remiss if I didn't shout out my class at the university. Um, I have interviewed so many people. They don't care. These 18, 19-year-olds, that they do not care. They're like, Taylor, you're so lame. I mentioned your name and they're like, oh my God. Aaron is gonna be on your podcast. That's so good. I love that. So, do you have any messages for like young girls who you know are looking after you and have followed you for so long? Oh my gosh, I have so many. Uh, first of all, thank you. You guys make my job so fun. I love the community of women that I have. I feel like I resonate so deeply with women. And for any 18 and 19-year-olds out there, I just I want it's like stay true to you, babe. Okay, build your confidence. Don't let a man bring you down. And keep following Aaron Give me because they'll give you some tips on that. Okay, so we we we mentioned the M-word. We said men. We said men. Oh, we said men. We fought the M word. That's okay. No, it's like asterisk and yes, exactly. Yeah, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, look, we're already on the same page. Yeah. So if you are if my listeners are fans of your music, if they've heard your music before, it's very it's Taylor Swift adjacent. Okay, like in the best way possible. So I'm assuming you take some of these stories from things that have actually happened to you, right? I totally do. Um I I'm an open book. I've actually like never been chilled about a thing in my life. So everything I hear on the internet is like usually something that's happened. Well, it is something that's happened to me. It's a story from my life. Uh-huh. Um, especially in music. It's one of the reasons why I got into songwriting. I have always just like loved to put it all on paper, love to put it all in my songs. Um, especially with love, because being like a woman in her 20s, kind of dealing with the ups and downs of love and dealing with long-term relationship breakups, situationships, getting engaged, um, even like friendship breakups, just like having so much love in your life when you're young, it can be really hard to navigate. And it'll be hard to like stay true to you and like know who you are through the entire thing. And I feel like I struggle with that a lot. So I talk about it a lot. Um, I mainly talk about um a really big breakup I went through when I was 23 years old. It like totally changed my perspective on life. Okay. And yeah, I think I think the long-term relationship breakup when you're really young can do a lot to your self-confidence. It can do a lot to like just where you are in life. You're you're thinking about the future with somebody, you're planning your, you know, what you really want with them, and then it all goes away. And that can get really hard. So I talk about that a lot. Oh my God. And I think that's so powerful because a lot of the times I feel like it's that college relationship or that one, like right when you graduate high school and you think that is your forever. Like that's your person. And then without them, who who who are you? Yes, yeah. I feel like so many women go through that where it's like when you go through your first big breakup, you're left being like, wait, who actually am I without this person? Yeah. And you have to kind of look in the mirror and like rebuild like your self-confidence, your hobbies, like yes, you know, everything, you know, that you enjoy. Because I think when you're young, you pour a lot into relationships and not a lot into yourself. It's true. Yeah. And so I think when when you go through that breakup, it is so sad, but it's also so healing. And I think you really bind yourself. Yeah. You do. I used to think my last like long-term relationship, my ex like loved Bon Jovi. And what's like 10 Bon Jovi shows? I don't love Bon Jovi. I've discovered I don't love him like that. Exactly. What if it's like now that we don't talk by Shayla Swift? I have to pretend I like after rock. Yes, literally. I don't have to pretend like Bon Jovi has rocked me so many times. Like, I've been to the shows. I know I know the satellite final. Like for good. Yes. You mentioned friendship breakup that I really want to talk about because we talk about it a lot on the show. A lot of girls slide in the DMs and they're like, what am I going to do? Like, I don't want to break up with my friend. Or my friend just broke up with me. I've been through two friendship breakups, which feel about a lot. Like, yeah, like a short period of like 28 years of life. But has you been through them? Oh my gosh, yeah. Have you been the breaker upper or like have you been broken up with? I've been both. Oh, okay. Tell me. Yes. So I actually recently went through a friendship breakup where I was the breaker-upper. Okay. And I will say my sisters, I've got two amazing sisters. I love them so much. They were very influential in the ending of this friendship because it was just very one-sided. And it was very much, I think we didn't share the same value. We didn't share how we showed up for each other. Sure. But I think sometimes it's okay in your friendships to realize that you just don't click and like and to just grow apart. And I think that if you need things in a friendship and somebody isn't giving that to you, that doesn't always have to be a hostile thing. No. Oh my god. Sometimes it can just be like maybe we're not each other's people and that's it. I think did you do it over text or in person? In in person. It was kind of like the great fade out. Like we kind of knew it just wasn't. We had mutual friends that were keeping us tied to each other. Got it. And then they left the city and it kind of just became like what's really left here. Yeah. We're not each other's people. And that's okay. I love that. I love that you're so calm about it too. Like you're not like emotional and worked up. Like you obviously thought it through. Yeah. And then yeah, like how the conversation, how'd they take it? Okay. I think I think I think when it's well, actually, I have two sides of this coin. I think being the breaker-upper is easy in some ways, and being the breakup e is easier in some ways. Yeah. Um being the breaker-upper, obviously it's your decision. So like you're you're not you've had time to stew on it. You've had time to to be sure about what you're doing. Being the breakup E, you're able to kind of I I think it's a harder reflecting point. Yeah. Which is hard. It's it's not always easy to have to look in the mirror at yourself. And we've all had to do it. And we've all had to like look at ourselves and be like, okay, am I why do I feel this way about a situation? Am I reacting this way because of, you know, XYZ? So I think it's I don't know. I think it's it's just hard to navigate. It totally is. And it's good that you have your sisters to tell you, like, you're not being crazy. Yeah. She's not treating you the way that a friend should be treating, you know. Totally. I also think, too, I feel this way in relationships as well. I am very like steadfast in the fact that if the people that you love and that you trust don't love and trust someone in your life, they shouldn't be in your life. Not we should put that on a t-shirt, we should crochet that somewhere, needle point that they are. No, it's so true because we keep people in our lives out of obligation. Yeah. And you feel like you need to be their friend because they need you. Yes. But like you can't put all of that pressure on yourself. Yes. And I think sometimes too, like, we get really wrapped up in like the nostalgia of a person, like the memories that you make with a person. I think it's romantic and it's friendship. Yeah. And I think that you're so attached to the relationship. But the people that are outside of that relationship who you love and who love you and who want the best for you, they see those red flags that you can't always necessarily see because you're so clouded by the feelings. Exactly. Yeah. So you feel lighter after this. I really actually do. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. That is so great. And when was it the time that you got broken up with? Was that oh, this is like back um back in like I was a sophomore in college. Okay. Um, roommate situation. Oh, here we go. Yeah. I hate a bad roommate situation. Yes, we've all been through it. Oh, and I, which I now know this about myself now that I'm 26 years old, but like back in the day, I didn't realize I am not always a very easy person to live with because I like things a certain way. Um, I like a clean house. I like when the dishes are done. I like when like things aren't left. I'm just like a type A girl when it gets to that. I get it. And also, I think what I learned about myself is like I don't have to project that onto people. Sure. Like everybody can live the way that they ought to live, and maybe we just don't live together. Yes. Yeah. I love that. And I really learned that about myself in that relationship. I was like, you know what? I need to take a step back, look in the mirror, what I'm why am I being this crazy about this? And no, I can live to tell the tale. I'm sure, like we've talked before that I'm like five foot. Um, I had a mermaid, and when she got mad at me, she would take my coffee cups and put them on the top shelf so I had to climb the counter to give aggressive. And I would never mention it because what are you gonna say? Like, you know, hey girl, like can you stop moving my coffee cup? Are you like purposely putting my coffee cups in a place where I can't reach them? Literally, and then one time I actually was like, oh my gosh, I'm running out of pillowcases, which is such a like early 20s thing. Like, I need to go to the local Walmart and get more pillowcases. So I'm like, oh my god, I only have like two pillowcases left in this design, and they were in the dryer. I come back home, they're gone. They're gone. Stolen. And I was like, I like I obviously know you took the pillowcases, but what kind of freak is gonna go up and be like, I know you stole my pillowcases? And he's what it's the untraceable crime. That's what it is. Yeah. And I was like, I still know. What are you gonna say? It's like when you prank call someone. You can't be better, like, hey, did you just or like when you get prank called, you're like, did you well, I mean, yeah, we only want to prank calls at 26, but I mean, hey, that's neither here nor there. But it's like nobody can trace that back to you. Yeah, no one's gonna text you and say, Did you just prank call me? Exactly. Oh no, because I'm untraceable. Yeah, you're like star 69 exactly. It's not embarrassing. No, it is embarrassing to ask, but it's not embarrassing to do it. It's embarrassing to ask. So you've been in the industry a long time, like at this point.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Yes. So I mentioned before this that I did a little social media stalking on you, and I want to go all the way back to 2017. Well, let's do it. You met Miley Cyrus in 2017.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

I did. Oh you did. So niche of you. It is so nice. I later everything about it. The motto, incredible. Wait, I actually am so sad. Thank you for asking me that. I'm I need to talk about it. Anna Montana's coming back. Like Hannah Montana is coming back, people, after done, and we have all better be locked in. Yes. Basically, the way I met Miley Cyrus is my girls and I we were out on Broadway. I was 18 at the time. Um, don't go to Broadway if you're 18 now, but we're we're welcome if you want. I don't I'm not your mom. Anyways, um, so if your internet best friend, not your mom, not don't confuse her. We went to, we were out on Broadway and we heard that Miley Cyrus. I just moved to Nashville at this point. I'm probably there like three weeks. And um, we heard that Miley Cyrus was having her album release party at Tootsie's. And so we stood in line. Now I I took that picture to look like, yeah, me and my girl Miley, like hitting it off, you know. I no, that's not how it happened. That was a moment where it was like she comes out, everybody's like, Miley, Miley, Miley, and I'm one, I'm like, Miley, Miley, Miley. Sure. We take the selfie, and then I post it and I like I said from being like so nonchalant, the caption, of course. I'm like, another night in Nashville. But that was the caption. It was like it was like a night in Nashville. Yeah, but like an emoji. Yeah, trying to make it seem like me and Miley are like girls, you know. Like I just went to Nashville three weeks ago, but like we're super cute. See, I'm reverse image searching it, and I'm like, okay, what event was this? I couldn't find that it was her album release party, so I love that. Yeah, no, it was underground. And and like when anybody asked me about it, I was like, I was like so elusive. Yeah, I was just like, no, it was just no, I was like begging her for a photo. As everybody would be. If you don't like Miley Cyrus, you're lying. You're lying. You either watch you in a Montana when you love Billy Ray Cyrus or like you love her rock music. You have some connection to her, let's be honest. You really do. So also in 2017, you went to the Country Music Awards at another, another exact similar moment. Okay, so this is what happened. Oh my friend, you looked amazing, by the way. I'm glad to say that. You looked amazing. I got that dress for$10 at Windsor. Shout out to Windsor. Well, my best friend and I stood out in the freezing cold in tank top dresses. We snuck backstage, which I'm a very don't ask for permission, ask for forgiveness type of person. That's the motto of this podcast. Oh my god, no. Literally, we say it every episode. Yeah. Again, yeah. Honestly, I'm gonna walk backstage until you stop me. Yeah. Especially at 18. Like, what do you what do you have to lose at 18? What are you gonna do? Yeah, like okay, arrest. Maybe my dad will think it's hilarious. Totally. And you want to not in 10 years ago, like, yeah, like a Q merch. Yeah, yeah. Um, but I we like stood in line forever, and then we stuck, we ended up just like walking backstage to like the tour buses, and we met Keith Urban, and I stuck in the exact scene passionist and Liley Cyrus thing. I was like, Keith, can we get a picture? Snap, posted on my Instagram. I'm like, God, CMA, CMA Awards 2018. Like, I was invited. No, I thought you were invited. The picture of you and Keith Urban does look like you guys know each other, like you guys are friends. Maybe I'm a mastermind.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

I think I think you are mastermind. Okay, so we we talk about mastermind, we're talking about Taylor Swift. Um, if my listeners are not watching this on video, she's got a massive rock on her hand.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

She's engaged. She's engaged. I just got engaged in December. Um tell me about it. How do you meet? How does he propose? Oh my gosh, I love this story. So um we met in like this really old-timey way, um, just super classic love story. Unhinged. Oh yeah. Of course. Um, but the way that he proposed was actually so sweet. So I like we are, we touched on, I can be very particular about things. I'm like not a low maintenance girl. I would never claim to be that way though. Um, I am probably as high maintenance as they come. So I had already bought this specific dress that I knew I wanted to get proposed in. I did this, oh my god. I did the same thing. Okay, yes. We were clicking. I know this is we were meant to be friends. Exactly. Like I knew, like, I didn't, I wanted to be surprised, but I didn't want to be so surprised that like my nails weren't done. Like, oh my god, imagine if I got engaged today, I would anyways. Um, but he so I had this really specific dress that I wanted to wear, but I didn't like wanted to be surprised and I wanted him to have that moment. So um basically what he did, my best friend is a songwriter in town as well. Her name is James St. Lazarus, she's amazing. Okay. Um, and we were writing together in during the day. And I will say I thought she was keeping me a little bit busy. Okay. Um, she we were like writing in the morning, then we were going to brunch, then we were gonna go see Wicked. Plans ended up changing. We were going to Kings of Leon event. Oh, cool. And so I'm thinking, honestly, the Kings of Leon event really threw me off because it was so last minute. I was like, I brought PJs to go to Wicked, and we're going like somewhere downtown. So um she was like, Well, why don't we go back to your place to change? And so we went back to my apartment, and when I walked into my apartment, there were like white roses everywhere. It's my favorite flower, and a note on the counter, and it was like, meet me at this address and put on the dress. Stop, stop. Oh my gosh. And so I'm like freaking out, which was perfect. I got to like have a glass of pristacle with my best friend, listen to Taylor Swift, get ready. This is incredible. Oh my gosh. And then so I get to this address. It was an Airbnb in East Nashville, and it's beautiful, and it like the rooftop overlooked the whole skyline of the city.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

Uh was right at sunset, and he proposed. And then all of my friends and family from home were waiting in the basement of the Airbnb. Shut and he like rented it out for the entire weekend and we spent the entire weekend celebrating. It was amazing. Oh my god. And he like nailed it. He knows you so well. So well. I saw the white roses that sends me chef's kiss, every single part of it, like I could not have imagined it being better. It was amazing. So sweet. He's he's a chair. Did you pick a wedding date yet? Or are you like gonna be an engaged girl for a little while? I am thinking next like summer of 2027. Oh, that's perfect. Yeah, 30 plenty time. I don't have like a specific date. I do like in my brain want it to be August 28th, but we'll see how the cards fall. Oh my god, could you imagine? No, I'd be like, yeah. I don't know why I'm like so attached. Honestly, because I want to listen to August by Taylor Swift when I get ready. Yeah. And I'm like, that's kind of the last week in that I can do that. So I don't, yeah, that's why I'm attached to it. Oh my gosh. So at my wedding, all of our tables were named after Taylor Swift's song. You're kidding me. They were all, and then you know that I bet you think about me music video. So our cake looked like that, and it was red velvet in it. And then I did the full wet, like went into the cake and like tore it apart. I was like, that needs to happen. My gosh, that is unfortunate. Did the whole thing. Yeah, it was all Taylor Swift's. Yeah, yeah. Oh my god. Because you can do so many little Taylor Swift things at weddings. We had our friend Alex play piano and he did, and like, mind you, he hadn't played piano in like maybe three years, and we were like, Alex, this would be really important for us for you to do this for our wedding. He created a Taylor Swift like melody. No, like and it was all the intros of her songs intertwined with the wedding march. It was like just beautiful. So everyone was already crying. I would like lost it. And then it started like slowly raining, and we were outside on a golf course, and it was beautiful. So it starts like raining. I do my vows. Aaron, I was like funny. I was like, I'm gonna be a comedy show. This is hilarious. I'm like, this is you're gonna be a great first husband. I'm like dropping all the funny things. I'm stealing that. Mate goes, girl, and he all of his vows had Taylor Swift lyrics in them, intertwined, and everyone's crying. They're like schools. I know or late. And I'm and of course I went first, and everyone's like laughing. They're like, oh, she doesn't really like him that much. He's like recreated like an entire Taylor Switch hurlay. Yes, oh my gosh. I'm so excited now to see what kind of dress you pick when you pick your dress, just because like what era is it going to be? You know what? Actually, I'm so excited about the dress portion. I just signed a contract with um Christina Wu designs. Oh my god, Christina Wu. Oh my gosh, they're doing a custom dress for us. I'm so excited. Oh my gosh. I'd like to like build it like yes, like I'm Barbie. Like I'm like so it related. I purposely picked a dress that didn't have a name, like no one wore it yet. Because the designer that I got it from named it after each bride. And I was like, I have to have my own dress, like the day we wear dress. Yes, yeah, oh my gosh, exactly. Exactly. See, you got it. That is incredible. Okay, I'm so excited. So cute. And it's gonna be really fun. Just like the whole design process. I can't wait to wedding plan. So oh my god. Yeah. So when you met your husband, the first date that you had, were you like, okay, I think this might be the guy I'm gonna marry? Or were you like, oh, okay. I honestly at the time I was single for about a year after like a five-year-long relationship. I was so single in the sense that like I was not looking at all. I actually went on the date. My best friend and I were gonna go on a double date with him and his best friend, but they we both like couldn't do it that day. And my best friend was like, why don't you still go? And I'm like, ew, like, why would I go on like a date with a mashur again? Um like we would never do that. And so I was like just so like not, I was not looking for the relationship at all. And then I met this guy, and I was like, I I was so I mean you're over the moon. I was just over the moon, and I wasn't expecting that, and I was like mad at myself. I remember being like, oh, I can't like him. And my friends all like the first time that they met him, they were like, Yeah, you're gonna marry that guy. And he like he watches Summerhouse and drinks Sleepy Girl Mopsmills, and like it's just like so like I would be friends with him, yeah, if I wasn't marrying him. We have to have our men meet, yeah. Our um Ausbricht and yes, because the summer house of it all, so does Nate. Like, no, I just love it. Last night we were watching until 11 o'clock. I'm like, I could I could get up. That means I am fun and national tomorrow. Yeah, it's yeah, he loves it. You said you met Keith Urban, you met Miley Therris. Who else did you meet? That you were like, okay, they're really nice to me. I get a good vibe. Luke Holmes. Really? Oh, oh my gosh. So fun to hear that. Yes. So warm, sweet. And his wife, um, very kind people, so lovely. Um, love them. Yeah. Oh my god, Hannah Brown. Yeah, I love her. I'm a big bachelorette late. Yeah. We like, we love reality TV in this room. Um, I'm a big bachelorette girl, and she was really lovely. Chris Stapleton is really lovely. I'm a billionaire. Yes. Really, really sweet. Um, Kelsey Ballerini, my girl. I love her. I've always loved her. I met her at um, she did like a coffee event at um, it was like during CMA week. It was like an influencer event, and um, I met her there and she was as nice as she seemed. Like she's like, she's a girl's girl. Like you can just tell, and she has that energy about her, which is what I always I'm gonna drop this again because I drop it anytime we talk about Kelsey Ballerini. Nate, infamously, my husband, was her prom date because she had prom date on tour and he worked in radio. Are you like so he had like the first dance with her for prom? They were like buddies, right? So like she would come to Philadelphia and be like, oh my god, Nate. And so now I'm like, find her, find her. I feel like Kelsey, I'm love, love. Your prom date's here. Yeah, you're yeah, literally. You need to come to her event tonight. Yeah, your prom date's here. Yeah, wait, that is delayed. Yeah, between that and Morgan Wallen. Like, really, my husband could get along with a fucking wall. Like, it doesn't, I could yeah, he's like very that chicken would have a treat, right? Everyone's obsessed with him. I'm like, this is amazing for me because I don't talk to anybody. I'm like, pop me in a corner, go do the socializing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You go do that. Like, I love this for you. So on the other side of the coin, who have you met, if you can say, that has not been the nicest to you? Oh, that's such a good question. I'm a big name dropper on this podcast. If you want me to bleep it out, I can totally bleep it out too. Oh my god, who have I met that's not been that nice to me? Wait, I know that there is someone. There's I'm trying to think of the last person that wasn't nice to me. Let me think, and I'll name drop. Um wait, this is you might have to bleep this out, or that might be kind of funny. No way! I but I don't know if that's I don't know if that's a personality thing or if it was just in the moment. Bumblebee shows a hand. No, okay, I've had a theory. Like I and we might have had this, but like I've had a theory that like there is something personal nice to me. To be fair, I was working at the Ryman at the time, but how is the kind of girl that's like um she just be nice to everyone out with me with I'm dumb?

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Nikki Glazer.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

Everyone's whistles way. She's so nice, she's so nice. Um, I think that's I see that. I can kind of see that. I think that um a lot of people in this house right now that actually don't like her, like really, yes, for like big T reasons that like I can't talk about because I thought I'm shit. But that is T. And I believe that. And I think that I do and I feel like I do don't get along with us, like just getting to spend this time with you. Like, you're such a girls girl, you're so nice. Like, no, wait, do we need that anyone? No, like that's not our vibe. Oh my god, like I can't imagine like meeting a woman, especially in in like the uh in any situation, yeah, like especially like in the industry or like or like at an event like where yeah everybody's at and like just with being standoffish or rude. Yeah, I yeah, I can't imagine that. Yeah, that's just not in all in general, but like most especially like people that you work with. I'm like work with I don't know, I thought that's a weird way to put it, but but you do, yeah. Like you were like you are in this entertainment sphere, yeah, in this music sphere. So like I'm sure you run into these people more than the average person. Right. Um, and I do want to talk about your music because I thought in the beginning we gave the intro of like she's not gonna make you want to text your ex. Like she is a gross girl, like it's gonna either make you cry, you're reflexing your ex and make you angry. Yeah. So tell me how your music has evolved a little bit because you've evolved from just your acoustic playing guitar to like curl pop heavy country. So tell me about it. Um, yeah. So I like it's so funny. Like, I when I was going through this this really significant breakup in my 20s, I wrote about it. Like, I beat that dead horse, let me tell you something. And I'm actually still beating it. Like, no, as you should. You can't recognize the horse anymore. No, you know, the horse was mangled and it's fine. Yeah, and we're okay with it. And and I'm gonna keep doing it. You know what I mean? Um, but I would say like that was really cathartic for me, and it was really like I had those sad ballady like breakup songs that I really resonate with, and I know a lot of women resonate with out there. And then once I was like, okay, let me put that to bed for a second, I had just so much more like fun pop energy like in my body. Once I like got that out of my system, and that's really what I've been releasing now, which is having so much fun and so fun to promote, so fun to tour with. Um, it's just been these songs that like I feel really empowered to um, and so I hope that my listeners also feel that way. But I kind of like having both sides of the coin, like having I really my entire goal of being a musician is I grew up as a massive Swifty. I was like a humongous Taylor Swift fan growing up, and one of the reasons for that was that I think being a teenage girl is a really difficult experience. Yeah. And I think Taylor Swift made me feel really understood. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And part of what I want to do as a songwriter is I want to make women and girls feel understood in the same way that I feel understood. I you know that because similarly, like I grew up on Taylor Swift. My mom and I are the biggest Taylor songs. Yeah, and it's like like when I turned 15, 15 was on. Like that was like I'm getting shells just like thinking about it and her, but like to the point where your songwriting translates in the same way, where like I look in people's windows, people like listen to that song and they're like, that's so weird. Like I look in people's windows a couple holidays ago. Like, I was walking down the street to like my hometown and I was looking through windows at people's Christmas treats and just like thinking about what their life was like. Yes, who else is gonna write a song about that? Like touch you in that way. It's it really is like and and I think the thing about her is she anyone like she has a song for legitimately any experience. Like when I listen to Miraball, like I that just defines me as a person. Yeah, industry, like oh my gosh, like I will listen to that, like thinking about how much how much we put into our careers. Yeah, like how much we have to put ourselves out there in a really vulnerable way, like for this like wanting this connection with other people. Yes, and it's so powerful. I think that she's so powerful, it's so powerful. I hope that I can do a fraction of that in my career. Who is your favorite artist right now besides Taylor Swift? Kelsey Mallory. Okay. I love Kelsey. I don't think she's I sit in parks. Yes, oh I'm so good. Heart wrenching. I know. Yeah, I love her. I love Megan Moroni. I think that they're just like I love like women who are paving that like fun pop country path right now. Yeah. Um, because I think country, the umbrella is so wide for it, which is so into wide right now. Yeah, you've got like everyone from like Zach Bryan to like Kelsey, who all are to Riley Green, like everybody's just so different. Um, and obviously I resonate more with the women in sure, yeah. Um, and I just love what they're doing and I respect what they're doing, which is you know, like you you want to feel that with other artists. Oh, for sure. So I have one last question for you, and because we started the podcast talking about your signature bread, your style. We uh talked a little bit about your bride or your bridal dress that you're gonna get.

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Who right now is your favorite designer?

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Oh my god, that's such a good question. I'm in a Chloe phase. Like right now, I'm in a big Chloe phase. This is um oh my gosh, I need to butcher her name. Danielle Gio. I don't talk about it. I know who you're I see her name in my eyes, but I cannot pronounce it. Yeah. It's um I'm wearing her right now, and I personally love her. Also, I've been this is a new thing for me. Wearing a lot of for Love and Lemons. Um yeah, because they have a lot of fun red pieces. Yes. I actually am shooting a content shoot with a set from them um that's very like like Sabrina-y, which I love. Yeah. Um so I would say Danielle, so sorry to butcher your last name, Gio. Dairy Boy, I also love Dairy Boy. Um for Love and Lemons. I love that. I love that. Okay. Anything else that you want to tell the little gremlins? That's what we call our audience. Gremlins, um, yeah, I just want to say thank you guys so much. These past couple years have really changed my life. I feel so lucky. Um, and if I can be a very small part online of empowering women, that is just my goal every single day. And so I'm so grateful for every listener, for every follower, for every string that you guys give me. It's like truly making my dream come true every day. So thank you, and I love you guys so much. And thank you for being part of my community. And thank you to the Taylor Taylor Taylor show for having me. This is so fun. I'm so happy that we got to have you in the studio today. Um, if you haven't heard of Erin before, you're going to want to go follow her. I'll have all of her links down below in the comments in the description of this video.

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And make sure that you follow the show as well. And today's episode was brought to us by Rackhouse Media here in Nashville, Tennessee. You're also gonna want to check them out. I will add their info below as well. Sean's the best. Y'all love him. We he he's a M-N as well, but but we like him here, so we're okay with that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Thank you, little gremlins, and I'll see you next week. Bye.

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And a big thank you to Airbnb sisters for this beautiful studio that we're in right now. We also want to say thank you to the Big Drag Bus Nashville. They're so much fun. If you live in Nashville, if you're in the area, you're gonna want to go to the Big Drag Bus and just have the time of your life.