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Summer House, Parasocial Relationships & Emotional Boundaries with Therapy Dani

Taylor Brooke Season 2 Episode 18

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This week on The Taylor Taylor Taylor Show, Taylor sits down with viral therapist and content creator Therapy Dani for a wildly insightful conversation about reality television, parasocial relationships, emotional boundaries, modern dating, and why internet culture feels more emotionally intense than ever.

From Summer House discourse and Bravo fandom to friendship breakups, therapy language online, and the emotional exhaustion so many women are quietly carrying, this episode dives into the psychology behind the way we connect, consume, spiral, and heal online.

Dani opens up about working with queer and neurodivergent clients, how social media has changed emotional communication, why reality TV becomes so deeply personal for viewers, and what healthy boundaries actually look like in friendships and relationships.

If you’ve ever felt too emotionally invested in a reality show, overanalyzed a text message, experienced friendship grief, or wondered why everyone online suddenly talks like a therapist, this episode is for you.

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SPEAKER_00

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SPEAKER_01

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to the Taylor Taylor Taylor show. I'm your host. I'm Taylor Brooke, and this is the show where we say things three times until they make sense. And we're going to be doing a lot of that today because we have a very special guest on the show. They're coming all the way from Canada. Okay, let that sink in. All the way from Canada, the great white north, to be here. Okay. And we're going to talk about all of our favorite Bravo liberties. We have the infamous therapy Danny here. Hey, how's it going? It is going so great. I'm such a big fan of yours on social media. So I'm so like, I feel like kind of starstruck right now that we get to talk.

SPEAKER_02

I'm so excited. It's going to be the best thing being able to blend pop culture and therapy talk all in one.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Okay. Well, let's tell the audience a little bit about you, your practice, what you specialize in.

SPEAKER_02

Sure. Yeah. I'm a registered psychotherapist qualifying in Toronto, Ontario, but I own a group practice that is called All Kinds Club. We work primarily with queer and neurodivergent audiences because I am gay. And yeah, so a lot of our clients are in the younger demo and we all watch Bravo shows typically.

SPEAKER_01

I love to hear it. It's music to my ears. So we're gonna jump right in to Summer House. Yes. We're all happening right now. Yeah. Okay, so give me your thoughts before we jump into like what's wrong with them. Let's talk about West, Amanda, Sierra. What are your thoughts on that whole situation?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's been really incredible, uh, the amount of attention that the whole thing has been getting. And I love watching like everyone dissecting like behavior and like Amanda's face and like the way West's hands move, and like it's been really cool just watching everyone like essentially get deep with like cultural digging into all this stuff. Like, I don't know, it feels like even crazier than Scandaval, like in how much social media attention there is on it this time, you know.

SPEAKER_01

My god, for sure. Also, like notably and infamously on this podcast, um, Raquel, Rachel, we'll say allegedly, she sent us like cease and desist before. Like, she doesn't not like us talking about her on here. So um, I'm just gonna preface all of this by saying I'm not talking shit on Raquel. Um, but yes, I want to move into this. Like, it's the new Scandal. Like, I'm waiting for Kyle to wear a red dress, like the revenge dress.

SPEAKER_02

Like, it's it's definitely its own brand of Scandaval for sure. And um, yeah, I don't think it's shocking that these things are happening over and over again on reality TV and that everyone is really like shooketh by it every time that it happens.

SPEAKER_01

Now, do you think that there is a certain type of person that will do well on reality TV? And what are their traits? Just from being around people and this is your full job. Like, what characteristics do you think most people that go on reality television have?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I guess the first question is what do you mean by do well? Because in my mind, there's two types of the do well, and one of those people is gonna be like gets a lot of popularity, stays on for a lot of seasons because their drama, their reactions are really big. Bravo wants to keep them on and keep them on air. An example would be like Mary from um um Housewives, you know, Salt Lake City. Um, a bit questionable in terms of like um maybe some morals and ethics, but performs great on television, right? We love watching her. Um, but if we're talking about like do well, like keeping their um morals in check and being a good person still, um, even though they're famous and on reality TV, then that's like yeah, a full different thing. So I think there are those two types of people that can quote unquote do well. Um and they're very different types of people. You've got the people that are gonna be looking more for like um attention, growing their numbers on social, like really more of that kind of like traditional idea of what we see on reality TV. And then we see people who are actually um wanting to use their platform for good or just have stumbled on the show, but are good people. And I think we see that in a lot of people, like, I don't know, KJ this season that everyone's obviously like freaking out about. Um, you can just tell like he's a good quality human.

SPEAKER_01

He is, and just getting to spend the hour that I did with KJ, you would not know that this man knew what a TV was, knew that he was on TV, like he was just so chill. Like he was telling me about his favorite lakes. I was like, okay, okay, like I love this for you. And it he's authentic and genuine, and I think that's why we connect as viewers like a good bit to KJ, especially this season.

SPEAKER_02

When you think about casting, like usually the people who are casting are not gonna look for those people who are like calm, grounded, you know, like genuine people because they traditionally like don't make for good TV.

SPEAKER_01

So they kind of I feel like casting does look for a train wreck, and sometimes that train wreck goes in their favor, and sometimes it goes the complete opposite way. No, we mentioned Mary, and Mary was one of those people, beginning uh Salt Lake City Housewives seasons one and two. I was like, I can't stand her. Like, get this woman who married her stepgrandfather off of my screen, and then there was like this crazy shift. Do you think the shift was in Mary herself, or do you think it was in the editing team?

SPEAKER_02

I honestly am not sure what happened there. I I noticed it also in watching it. I noticed that her husband was suddenly not on the show anymore. I'm not sure if there is like a PR team behind Mary that decided to swerve a little bit to make um her more palatable um for audiences to help her image. Um, but something happened. And I don't think, I don't think it was necessarily like a genuine change. I think we forget sometimes in watching this how much PR is going on there. Before I was a therapist, um, I actually owned a marketing agency with my business partner, and she's a publicist, and um the amount of like we worked on like um uh bachelor's in in Paradise, Canada, um, and Amazing Race Canada and stuff, and like the amount of effort uh in editing and storylines and the publicists really coaching, uh I don't think people realize like how much of that goes into it, especially privately with people's own publicists.

SPEAKER_01

There's so much behind the scenes, and I try to tell this to like other guests that come on the show because they'll be like, Oh, you talked to Emerul, or you know, you were with the below deck family. And I was like, Yes, but that wasn't just like, oh, I I called them and said, hey, what's up? It was okay, they're checking my background, they're watching my show, they're making sure I'm not gonna say anything. I'm signing 15,000 documents before it's even happening. Like, it's not that um just easy breezy and organic. But we're talking about Salt Lake City Housewives. So, from a therapist perspective, tell me about Meredith Marks.

SPEAKER_02

Oh man, you know what? Okay, so my whole take on pretty much anyone in reality TV, including Meredith, is that we don't actually really know what they're like or who they are. And I think a lot of their self actually gets lost in being on reality TV. I think we forget that like anyone on reality TV is essentially going through like ongoing trauma. And like they probably have like constant nervous system activation. I think about what Meredith was like season one versus like the later seasons, and what I see is a deterioration of like self and her ability to like handle situations because her like nervous system is activated all the time. So it's yeah, it's hard for me to give a take on current Meredith Marks versus like season one Meredith Marks, who I think was like a very like grounded and interesting person. Um it's really sad. You know, I love watching reality TV, it's like one of my favorite things to do, but at the same time, it there's a price you pay for being on these shows for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Now, since you spend a lot of time watching reality TV, and then you spend the other half of your life, you know, I I wanted to say fixing people, but you know, helping people get through their emotions and things like that. Have you ever had a client that was on reality TV?

SPEAKER_02

No, I haven't. And to be honest, I wouldn't be able to. So um it's kind of interesting with dual relationships and the way we have uh like ethics. Let's say um I got called by like Summer House to come in and like be a therapist or something. I wouldn't be able to actually um be their therapist if I've seen the show because I have like pre-existing information about like who they are. So they'd have to find a therapist who's like never like you know, Kyle and Amanda are in like couples therapy right now. Their couples therapist should have like never heard or seen of an episode of Summer House before in order to have like no bias going into that.

SPEAKER_01

Wow, I actually did not know that. And I've been in therapy my whole life, so I'm learning something new.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of really weird behind-the-scenes ethics. Like, of course, like not all therapists follow those rules, but um, they are there to technically so we can go in and not know everything about Kyle and Amanda, for instance, going to that. So now I've never worked with anyone in reality TV. Um, about like a decade ago, I actually like was in the like application process for Amazing Race Canada. I got like down to the top 10. Um, and I think it's actually like there's so much in casting that I think people do not realize. Like, I had to go through like psychological testing and like medical testing. Like, I had like an easy one.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, to make sure you're okay. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I was just like, this is wild.

SPEAKER_01

That is crazy. So if you had to go on a reality show, do you think it would be the amazing race? Would that be your first pick?

SPEAKER_02

Um, I've always been a huge survivor fan, to be honest. Like, I would have loved to be on Survivor. Uh, but uh the like I'm also a fan of being comfortable. And I don't think like I think most of the survivor part I would really like, but then like the sleeping part, like I feel like I'd be like, my back hurts, and I'm like, I'm hangry all the time. Like, I don't know if I would be able to not eat.

SPEAKER_01

I know I'm the same way. I'd be calling the medics after like three hours and be like, I think I'm dehydrated actually.

SPEAKER_02

I need electrolytes.

SPEAKER_01

They're like, girl, we saw you drink a water three hours ago. Okay, bitch. Like, get back on.

SPEAKER_02

Back on. What show would you want to be on?

SPEAKER_01

Oh god. Probably one of the housewives or like next gen New York. Be like rich. Exactly. I'm thinking of the dollar signs behind it. You know, I'm morally flexible. I think I'd be fine on any of those shows. Um now, okay. Another question that kind of centers around that therapy world. Have you ever, and this is coming from personal experience, my therapist, her name is Helen. Hi, Helen. She watches the show, fan of the show, we love it. Uh, she's still, if I ran into her out at the local target, she wouldn't say hi to me. Even though I've explicitly said multiple times, you have to. Like, I think we're friends. Have you ever gotten that from a patient where they're like, Danny, I saw you, but you didn't say hi.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so ethically, we are not allowed saying hi to people in public, and that has to do with the dual relationship thing I just talked about. Um, they are allowed coming to say hi to us, but we cannot break confidentiality no matter how many times they say it in session. Um, and it's kind of a weird thing. Like a lot of people think that they're like friends with their therapist, but realistically, there's a huge power imbalance, and that's why the ethics are there. We know everything about someone's life, and they look don't know much about ours. Um, usually we're showing up in session not the way we would show up in real life. Um, I always joke around that I'm like, I might seem like this calm, grounded person in session, but I'm like with my partner, like I will not be this grounded when I'm upset about something, you know? Like we're all human. So yeah, there's all these kind of interesting rules, and they exist everywhere in Canada and the US to protect um the client uh patient confidentiality.

SPEAKER_01

That's so important. And I feel like I didn't really realize this, like going into therapy. I was like, oh, I didn't like that is an important factor, but I was never educated on that, uh, beyond just oh, that's your therapist, not okay, you they can't contact you in person, like if you're out and about, things like that. Um now when you see therapists on TV, so we see it with like couples therapy a lot on reality television, on Bravo. We do sometimes see like the individual housewife, you know, go into therapy and or even like the valley, and you see like Lala going into therapy, or like Erica on the Housewives of Beverly Hills, and like her therapist is such a strong uh anchor of this last season. Like she comes up a good bit. Is there a certain protocol that you like have to follow to be a celebrity therapist? Is it something that you just kind of fall into? What is the how do you get into that if you can't know who they are?

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, the rules in the US and Canada are a bit different on this. Canada is like really, really strict because um psychotherapy is a really protected um like regulatory um board. So um in Canada, like we're not allowed filming sessions and stuff, so it would just not fly. Like there's a show called Couples Therapy um that is in the States, it's like filmed in New York with Orna. Like, if you haven't seen it, I definitely recommend watching it. No, I love it. I love it. It's oh it's so good, yeah. Um, so we would not like that would just not get produced in Canada. Um, it's like they consider it like unethical to film sessions because if you can imagine like filming an entire session for TV, like people are not gonna show up the way that they would probably if cameras weren't there. So, and in the US it's a bit different, but it's funny because like I don't know, I remember watching Vanderpump when Jax goes to therapy and like I'm watching it just being like, oh god, like this is just you see this little snippet, it's like such an odd, like you know, there's camera crews there, like it kind of ruins the confidentiality rules and stuff. So you always just kind of wonder like, what are these therapists thinking for wanting to be on this platform in this way? Um, because it does also now create a weird relationship, like people see you in that show doing therapy for someone else. Um, what buy like what is that person now gonna think when they come to therapy with you that they already have this like preconceived notion about how you are in therapy with another client? So yeah, it's kind of like an interesting place to be in the therapy world, uh, in the like celebrity therapy world, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so if you had to pick one person from the Housewives of Salt Lake City that all of a sudden they were your patient and now you're their therapist for the rest of their life, who do you pick?

SPEAKER_02

That's such a good question. You know what? I feel like I feel like I'd really love to work with Heather.

SPEAKER_01

You're the button for punishment, Danny. I love it.

SPEAKER_02

I feel like she's just got such a really like I love like the idea of working with like religious trauma. I mean, a lot of them have religious trauma, but I think because Heather's out of it already, it would be a better place to process. Um, whereas some of the housewives still being within the religious trauma, it's it would be a bit more hard and frustrating to work with that. Yeah. Um, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so say hypothetical, Amanda she comes to you, Summer House Amanda. She says, Yeah, okay, Danny, this is all based on anything that you know about her from the screen. She tells you that in real life, and she's like, What can I work on? How how can I fix whatever is going on in my head? What advice do you give?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so I mean, the first thing about Amanda is that like I think she has had like a decade of not really having much control and not really making her own choices. Um, which, you know, when this whole thing happened, um, I was not entirely shocked because cheating, or I know there hasn't technically been cheating, but having like any sort of like emotional um affair or any kind of like overlapping or like this weird choosing of West. Um, to me, it's like spelling out things like wanting to be chosen and validation and novelty and like trying to find identity and escapism and avoidance. It's not about West. And I think that like when we think about people being on reality TV, they get a lot of weird dopamine moments that we don't get in normal life. They're being recognized, they're getting a lot of social media attention. All these parties they're having every weekend with strangers showing up at the house, these are all fans of the show. They go out in Montauk and there's fans there. Kyle's going out DJing fans, it's a lot of dopamine. And they're also in a weird space where they're not like celebrity enough to be like hanging out with like, you know, all the A-list actors and stuff. So there is like a weird, they're in a weird pocket, right? That pocket is gonna be just like this weird little mini dopamine conditioning where they're not getting like dopamine from doing normal things, like taking their dog on the walk, on like a walk down New York and like having a nice coffee. So that dopamine system that Amanda has is probably like pretty jacked up. So instead of like like looking for advice seeking right at the beginning, I'd probably be trying to dive into like how she's feeling, like what part of her she was like looking to connect with in the relationship with West, like what felt good about it uh after the Kyle situation was ending, and what she was really needing, like really exploring like these parts of her that maybe she hasn't been able to explore. She met Kyle like so young. You remember watching the beginning of Summer House, like she's just so young getting into all of that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and like being second choice to Kyle in season one and then feeling like that up until you know this season. Um, just a mental health moment that I want to share with my audience. I put out something on threads and I said, let's all remember that Amanda and Sierra, they're both people. They're both women and they're both people. And at the end of the day, we don't know them personally. Like we may, maybe you went to soft bar once and you ran into some amazing, but like we don't know them in real life. So we can't go tell this girl, Amanda, say, like, go kill yourself. I put that on threads. I had over 900 comments of people telling me, fuck you, Taylor, go kill yourself. If I were a different type of person, that would have scarred the whole insides of me forever. But and I can only imagine being in Amanda's shoes or being in Kyle's shoes or West shoes or even Sierra's shoes right now, like that can't not get to you to a certain point. Like you're walking down the street and you're just thinking, okay, all these people fucking hate me.

SPEAKER_02

Shame is bad enough for like a normal person, let alone public shame is like a million times worse. Are we shocked that we're hearing like audio leaks where people are like being defensive? Like, of course not. When people feel that amount of shame, it's really hard for them to admit to themselves that they've done something wrong. It means so much more in the public eye. And I think that a lot of us are forgetting that, you know, these people are all like emotionally bonded in a way that we cannot understand. I feel like I always remember Heather actually in Salt Lake City being like, we are all we have, no one else understands us. Like, why are we betraying each other? Like, she's always been someone to be like, you know, the seven of us are bonded. Like we are together and no one else can be part of the circle. I feel the same about the Summer House people that like it's not shocking to me that Amanda leaned into a relationship that was close and like weirdly bonded because they all kind of are, um, you know, and that like this outsourcing self-worth situation that she's probably encountered is like kind of a recipe based off of what has happened over the last, you know, 10 seasons on Summer House. So I I feel like people should try to be a bit more understanding about it. Not that it's not something awful that she did, but that like none of them are living regular lives that any of us can really understand. Um, and then also on that end, you know, for Sierra, it's also that much more devastating because of the bond that she has with West and Amanda and like the closeness they have. Like, I think about Scandaval and how like everyone was like, why is everyone trying to be friends with Tom the you know the season after it happened? And I was like, they're all filming together. This is not the same as like a regular friendship. Like the show is literally being like you are all together on a show just together still, and that bond for people, it's really hard to break when it's all you really have.

SPEAKER_01

And we talk about this a lot on this show, the concept of friendship breakups versus relationship breakups. And a lot of my guests, and I'm curious to hear your perspective, just coming from this world, have struggled more with a friendship breakup than they have of a romantic partner. Do you see that a lot in your work? Because we see it on TV all the time.

SPEAKER_02

A ton, yeah. And I I mean, I work with queer people primarily, and it's huge in the queer community. People have a really like hard time already having um friendships, finding other gay people, because obviously there's like less of us. Um, so when you have a friendship breakup, whether you're queer or not, it feels pretty devastating because you assume that friendship's gonna last forever. It's not the same as a romantic relationship where you're like, I'm not sure if this is gonna be the one or not. With friends, we're just like, cool, friends forever, BFFs. And then when something like that happens, it can feel like super devastating and like your entire world is crumbling because you've really put a lot of time and energy into this idea that something is gonna be sticking around forever.

SPEAKER_01

I've been through, I think, two friendship breakups, and they were worse than any like romantic relationship that had ever ended for me. And it was because of that, because that's the person, they're your best friend forever. And then all of a sudden they're not the forever is gone. Like that was just a friend I had at one point. And like that's part of growing up, of course, but it's definitely hard. And I feel like we don't always talk about that, and we kind of sweep that under the rug a good bit. Because no one wants to be like, that person doesn't want to be friends with me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And I think that like we don't talk about, I mean, I know there's boundaries a lot in talk in like, you know, therapy world, like Mel Robins and stuff. Um, but really when we think I'm like Mel Robins, um, but really when we think about the idea of like boundaries and like healthy boundary setting, I think a lot of people don't know how to rupture and repair and like um work through things in healthy ways. Um and it comes through in friendship breakups where people feel like, you know, well, it feels like something they can't fix. They don't know how to fix it. There's not really any blueprint for it because we don't talk about it very often. And so it is something people come to therapy quite frequently to talk about.

SPEAKER_01

That's so refreshing to hear um because I do have a lot of listeners that have reached out after we've talked about friendship breakups and things like that. Actually, um, a couple high school girls had messaged me in like a group chat at one point, and they were like, We've never heard anyone talk about friendship breakups and like this is happening in our lives so much because they're 14, 15 years old. Like they're it's high school, it's the worst time of most people's lives where like these things are going to happen. Um, so it's it's refreshing to hear that people do seek help for that. Because if I wasn't like an avid therapy goer, I'm just I'm an anxious, just ball of blonde anxiety all the time. So like I'm always I'm texting Helen, I'm calling Helen, I'm like, hey, I'm nervous about this, I'm doing this. But if I weren't in that headspace, I don't know if I would feel comfortable. I would feel like a little silly if I didn't hear other people talking about it and like wanting to get guidance.

SPEAKER_02

For sure. Yeah, I always tell people like you'd be shocked. Like the the range of topics in therapy are so vast. Um, like never be a shit. You could literally bring anything to your therapist. They're trained to be not judgmental about it in a way that they actually will care about whatever problem you're having. And the cool thing about a therapeutic relationship is that it theoretically should be one of the only relationships that you know is not going to like split, unless, of course, there's like an emergency or someone retires. The relationship and the control is in your hands. So, like, you can have that relationship for as long as you want.

SPEAKER_01

That is so special. And I think that that's something that a lot of people struggle with, like finding the right practitioner, finding the right person. And, you know, they get frustrated because they've seen Joe Schmoe and then they've seen, you know, Mel Robbins, and they're like, okay, whatever. They're not working for me. I'm not a let them theory kind of person. Do you find that your patients, when they get to you and they finally meet you, they're like, thank God, like someone's getting it? Do you get that a lot?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I think the important part is like being really open in your bio and stuff about like how you are. And I'm always like, I'm super direct, I'm like a neurodivergent brain, like I'm pretty blunt. So if you don't want someone to challenge you and kind of be up front with you, don't work with me. Um, so I find that usually the people who come to me are like have been through a bunch of therapists already and like find that the therapists are maybe like too validating or like too like, hmm, is that how it feels? Like, and that's not how I am. Like, I really preferred for things to feel like more of a conversation and um for things to not feel like too big or too much or anything like that. So yeah, I think like my clients definitely appreciate that in me, but I've also had clients that are like, you know, have have left because we're not a good fit, and that's okay too. Um, I think finding a therapist is kind of like dating. So I'm always like, do free consults, like do consults, find a good someone that you vibe with. You might have to do like a session or two with someone and be like, oh, not really a good fit, and that's okay. Like, don't stay with someone if you don't feel like comfortable with them, but don't blow off therapy either, because it's probably just that it's not a good fit yet.

SPEAKER_01

It is so powerful to like just get that message out there and across because it's a shameful, like it's a shameful thing at some points. I feel like a lot of people will say, like, I had to resort to therapy. It's not a last resort. I think that we need to change that misconception in people's brains of this is something that is normal, first off, and much needed because we're not especially like our significant others, that's not their job, is to be our therapists. They can listen. It's not their job.

SPEAKER_02

And my uh my supervisor, so we have like supervisors as therapists that we then talk to like our supervisors about our cases, kind of thing. Like there are like grand therapists kind of thing, right? I love it. Supervisor's always like, I was like, you know, how often do you get to sit down and talk about yourself for for like a full hour and no one and no one says anything back about themselves? It it never happens. Like you meet with a friend, they're gonna have some sort of like, yeah, that happened to me. Oh yeah, like my mom is like that too. You get to just have an hour to yourself, like basically reflecting your own stuff back from someone else. Um, and even if you're not having like a mental health crisis, um, it's actually super nice and just feels like a nice little like refreshing shower self-care moment for you to just be able to like tell someone about your week without needing to hear back about theirs. Um, it's a great space to just be able to like kind of relax and reflect.

SPEAKER_01

I love that. Um, and I would be remiss if during this conversation I didn't mention Sheena because everything's about Sheena. Everything has to do with Sheena. We're all wondering how she feels about everything. So, Danny, I have to ask you, if you could give Sheena any advice just in life, what would you give her?

SPEAKER_02

Oh man, um, well, I think Sheena, Sheena like has diagnosed OCD, I believe, right? Like from what I remember reading about. Yeah. Um, and I actually love working with people with OCD. Um, so my advice for Sheena would be to continue to expose herself to the things that she has like ruminations about, um, so she can feel more comfortable and you know, feel okay to handle any situation that she really wants to put herself in.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. So you mentioned that you're very like you work a lot with people with OCD, which I have diagnosed OCD. I'm not like switch the light switch four times or my family dies, but it's like more like situational and things like that. And her talking about her OCD, and I know it's bravo, it's reality TV. Like you're not looking for it for like anything deeper than surface level, but that got me of like, wow, okay, I see myself in her a little bit. Like, she becomes more real to me.

SPEAKER_02

I actually like love Sheena, like it was like kind of like an interesting like watching her go through these, like all these different like life situations. Um, and you know, obviously I watched the show before I became a therapist, but I actually re-watched it recently with my partner because she had never seen it. And re-watching it, knowing what I know about OCD and like watching Sheena go through all these things, it was just like very clear, like going through the show, what was going on. Um, and it's so amazing watching her be open about these things and like watching her grow because she does seem it's interesting because everyone calls her fake all the time, but she's actually like one of the most open and human people on the show.

SPEAKER_01

Agree. Ever since she set out with the good as gold, and she was like, I'm a great singer. And I was like, Yes, you are girl, like you believe yourself and I believe you. Yeah, get it, girl. I love it. So, Danny, I'm glad that I already have a therapist because I want to be your best friend. But if for my listeners who are not gonna be your new best friend, how do they connect with you? How can they get in contact with you? Do you accept people from the United States, regardless of like our government?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we don't we don't work with anyone in the US um because of the like surrounding laws and stuff. If you're in the US, find a therapist, find someone cool. There's definitely like someone that will feel comfortable for you. Um, if you're in Canada, um you can find us at All Kinds Club. But um my social media handle is uh yeah, Therapy Danny, and I love making queer, trans positive content. So if you feel like supporting the queer community, I'm always here for that content as well.

SPEAKER_01

Give Therapy Danny a follow. Go message them on Instagram, TikTok. I was gonna say Facebook, but we're we we don't do that anymore, I don't think. I don't think people are on Facebook. But thank you so much for being on the show today. I'm so happy that we got to meet. Me too. Thanks so much.