Abram & Chicks: Alien Origins, Full Disclosure & the Truth About ETs

Unlock the truth about UFOs, UAPs, and extraterrestrial contact. In this episode, we dive deep into alien disclosure, ET telepathy, and the role of consciousness in human evolution. Are governments hiding the truth about extraterrestrial life? What are UAPs, and is full disclosure happening now?

Explore real experiences, dream states, and the connection between spiritual awakening and alien contact. From interdimensional beings to telepathic communication, this conversation challenges everything you think you know about reality. If you’re searching for answers about extraterrestrials, higher consciousness, and the nature of reality, this episode is for you.

Topics include:

• UFO & UAP disclosure
• Alien and ET contact experiences
• Telepathy and channeling
• Consciousness and awakening
• Government secrecy and hidden truths
• Dreams, lucid states, and psychic phenomena

Thank you for spending time with us! You may contact us at www.abramchanneling.net and www.mediumunplugged.com  

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome to Metaphysical Hippie Chicks 2.0. I'm Susanna Masteri, Psychic Medium and author of Living Beyond Death. My co-hosts are Psychic Medium Annalise Bastiani and ET experiencer Terry Scalia. We focus on grounded, honest conversations about consciousness, mediumship, channeling, ETs, psychology, and modern spiritual culture. Thank you for joining us. All right, hello, everyone. I'm Suma Seri. I'm here with my besties, Annalise Bastiani and Terry Scalia and my husband Tom Maseri, and we're going to be talking about ETs. Anything that you want to know? Everything you want to know. Abram has the answer. So let's get started. Hi guys. Hello. My favorite topic. Woo-hoo. Mine too, really. Did you ever have an ET experience, Ann Lisa?

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Not where I can was confronted with one, but I saw something I could not and still could not identify when I was a kid. Just like this string of lights outside my window in the air. They're all beautiful, different colors, kind of blinking or flashing. And I saw them in a row. And I'm like, is that a plane? Is that the blimp? What is that? And as soon as I was thinking that, they all went in different directions. Oh. And I was like, what just happened? That's the only thing I've ever seen in terms of what might be UFOs. Oh, that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Oh. And Terry, we knew you have had experiences.

SPEAKER_04 1:27

I've had several experiences starting from 1983, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:32

Is that when you went on the craft?

SPEAKER_04 1:34

No, I went on the craft in 1985 or 86. No, 85. No, 86.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

Have you had any experiences recently?

SPEAKER_04 1:46

The most recent experience I had was seeing the UFO outside of the airplane.

unknown 1:53

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:55

And I can you pull up that picture? Yeah. Let me see. AI picture you did of it. Let me see if I can find that. I didn't even think about it, otherwise I'd uh Oh, here it is. Can you see that?

SPEAKER_02 2:08

Yeah. Oh wow. Oh, like a bullet almost, like a capsule.

SPEAKER_04 2:13

This is AI generated. Right. The wing was more like right here, but I was looking out the window and I was looking way back here, and I was watching a plane fly, and it was leaving its little contrail or whatever. And well, let me back up. So every time I get on an airplane, I always send out an intention that I want to see a UFO. I always try really hard to sit at a window seat for obvious reasons. So I was looking at the plane far away over in this area here. And also the sky, the sky was more blue all the way down. So there really wasn't any clouds in the sky at all. You can see the horizon, but it was just clear sky. So then all of a sudden, this object didn't fly in, it just appeared right here. And it startled me for a second. And I'm trying to focus like my brain is trying to say, What am I looking at here? And the whole incident lasted, I don't know, maybe three seconds. I mean, it was so fast. So it just appeared, it didn't fly in. Like I said, it didn't fly in, it just appeared. And then it started moving. If I think about it, it was at the same speed as the plane flying in this direction over here. And then it started moving this way. And so I moved my head around to see beyond the window. And as it got over here, it just blipped out. It didn't fly off, it just disappeared. And I was really, oh, I can't even explain how I don't know. I don't even know what feeling I had. It was excitement. Like, oh my God, they came. So I had my sister, one of my sisters was sitting next to me on the plane. And I don't talk to her about any of this stuff. And she was reading a book. And I wanted to tell her, Kathy, oh my God. But I did not say anything because I didn't, I just didn't. Maybe part of me just wanted it all to myself. I don't know. But also a part of me wanted to stand up at the same time. A part of me wanted to stand up and just shout, did anybody else see that? But I didn't for obvious reasons. So anyway, that's what I saw. It was no windows, no seams. It was just complete solid metallic, uh, what what kind of shape? I'm gonna say a tic-tac or something.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

Tic-tac shape. It is tic-tac shape.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

Yeah. And it was interesting that just recently I was looking at, I came across another video where it was a video that was taken outside of a military jet or something. And an object very similar to this showed up, but that object was was longer, but it looked the same. It was just smooth and just perfectly smooth. Isn't that crazy? That's wild. Tom, have you ever seen anything like that? Like a tic-tac?

SPEAKER_05 4:55

Not it, not a tic-tac kind of thing, but when I was 14, my family moved from Chicago to Cicero, a suburb a little south right on the border of Chicago. And when I was 14, I was outside with my friend Pete, and we were talking, and it was dusk, so you could still see everything very clearly. And we were talking, and I looked up and I saw an airplane going by, and we kept talking, and I thought, that airplane's not making any noise. I looked up again and it was a round saucer. And as I looked at it, it was rotating counterclockwise, very slowly, about 150 feet above the house, just floating very silently. And every time it rotated around, one time I saw what I thought was a black doorway, which I'm sure it wasn't a doorway, but that's how I understood it to be. And when I saw that, I got so terrified because I knew that they were going to kidnap me. So I ran in the house and I called, I think it was the Glenview Naval Air Base, and I told them I saw a flying saucer. They had me talking to different men for about an hour, and finally the last guy told me, Well, what you saw was an experimental airplane pulling a lighted sign behind it. And I said, Okay, good, that's good to know. Thank you. And I hung up the phone and I did this. I know what I saw. Don't tell me what what I saw.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

Yeah. They kept you on the phone for an hour. I think they would have dismissed it a lot sooner if they didn't believe it.

SPEAKER_05 6:18

Yeah. The second thing that happened was a few years later, I don't remember how old I was, but I had a dream that I was in a parking lot hiding behind a 1960 or 61 turquoise blue Chevy and kind of looking over at this UFO that had landed, and this woman walked out, and I got up and walked toward her. We talked and she handed me a pair of moccasins and said, Here, this is for your father. And she said, Well, I have to go now. And I said, Will I ever see you again? She said, Yes. I have no idea what the moccasins represent or represented to this day. I have no idea.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

Interesting. A Native American connection of some kind?

SPEAKER_05 6:59

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

But they were for your dad, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_05 7:02

They were for my dad, yeah. I have no idea why she gave me those for my father. I have no idea what it means.

SPEAKER_04 7:08

Still remember when you and I saw UFO outside of that shop.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:15

Sue was doing readings in the shop, and you and I were standing outside, and we saw a UFO. Oh, you saw the UFO and then you came in and got me.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:24

And you said, Come out here, come out, come out. There's a UFO or whatever. And so I went out there and I looked up in the sky. Wasn't that like a cigar shape?

SPEAKER_05 7:32

No, what I saw was a round red, orange, red, orange light traveling from I think it was from south to north, just not fast, not slow, just kind of in between. And when it got to a certain point, if you remember, it just faded out.

SPEAKER_04 7:48

That's right. Yeah, that's right. And there were people that were standing near us, and you and I are sitting here talking about it and looking up at the sky in awe, and everybody's clueless. Oh my god, look at that. You know, and we're looking up at the sky and we're pointing at it, and da-da-da. And people who were standing in the parking lot and on the sidewalk or whatever, they're just chit-chatting with each other and just being all over. And I'm like, What's wrong with that?

SPEAKER_05 8:10

Yeah, that's why that's so funny. I guess like Billy Meyer in the I think it was in the 70s, when he would see UFOs, when he would meet with the woman from the Pleiades, he would be able to see the ship. Nobody else would be able to see it if there were people. So I guess it's whoever is supposed to see it will see it.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

Yeah, that's what we kind of concluded.

SPEAKER_05 8:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

I I wasn't gonna ask that because so many people have seen it, and so many people claim they haven't seen stuff. So I I find that interesting that there's such a discrepancy about sightings that so many people will say they saw, and the rest of the community is like, I don't know what you're talking about. I find that really fascinating that they can appear and not appear at will.

SPEAKER_05 8:48

Yeah, how can how can you not have seen that? Right, it's huge. Yeah, yeah, it was like, you know, pretty big and floating in the sky. But then I had a weird experience we're supposed to see it, we'll see it.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

I had a weird experience on the top of Mount uh Mount Chasta, and I'm with two other people, also very spiritually minded people. And the normal conclusion is maybe I was just it was so high up that I was having a hallucination or something because of the air quality. But I looked up in the sky, I literally saw like an iridescent rectangle in the sky. It looked like a portal. Yeah, and I looked up, I'm like, oh my god, you guys, look at that. That's incredible. I took my camera on, I took a picture. I was convinced I was seeing this thing. And my two friends were like, I don't, I don't see anything. We're like, What? Which made me feel like, oh, I'm losing it.

SPEAKER_04 9:31

What's going on? I remember one time I was driving in the car with my son and his friend, and we were coming back. We went to the medieval fair and wherever that is held in Florida. And Branson's driving, and I'm in the passenger seat. If I can, I'm I'm looking at the sky, right? Looking for whatever. And I saw this gray line that went across the sky a pretty long distance. And flying in the middle of that gray line was an airplane. And I'm watching this thing and I'm going, that's the weird. What's that gray line? And the airplane is flying right in the middle of it. And I said to Bryson and Zachary, I said, look at the thing in the sky or whatever. And so we all saw it. And then the plane just disappeared, like it was gone. It just vanished. It was so weird.

SPEAKER_05 10:17

I've seen again on YouTube, I've seen videos and read articles about how they can have their craft appear as anything, like a helicopter or an airplane, and it's really not a helicopter or an airplane, it's really a craft from somewhere else.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:34

Why they would do that, I have no idea. Maybe to make it comfortable for us to see them.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

But hey, that's the only thing I can think of.

SPEAKER_05 10:40

If you have a craft, I want to see your craft. If you don't have a craft, you know.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

Well, we'd we'd also be the first to shoot it down, too.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Like exactly. Yeah, that's that's true. Uh, one of my friends and I went to Jenny Springs one summer to do some camping. We always camp in the outback where there's no electric, no less people. There was a space that was cut out, big huge circle that someone had cleared all the trees out of. And when it got dark, we took a blanket and a couple of chairs or whatever, and we walked over to this area and we laid it down, and then we laid on it on our back and we're watching the sky. Really clear sky, see lots of stars. And my friend has has had ET experiences as well. And we were calling them in to see if they would come. And then we started watching you could you could tell plane from a satellite from a whatever. So we were watching the little lights go by and we're going, nope, that's a plane, that's a plane, that's a plane, that's a whatever. And that's a shooting star. We were watching this one that was floating by or flying by, and then it went down behind the tree line. And we're watching it, and we're going, that was weird. Maybe it was just the way you know it was flying. It looked like it was going, you know, going straight down. And then all of a sudden it popped back up and it did this like four or five times. It went down and then it popped back up, like it was playing peekaboo with us, kind of. Wow. It was so cool. We must have laid there maybe an hour and a half, two hours, maybe, and we saw several of these little UFO things that were just playing with us, and they would just go behind the tree line and then they would show back up. And oh my god, it was so cool. That's very cool.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Yeah, so yeah. Do you guys see the documentary? What was it, Tom? Air Arizona lights? Oh, Phoenix Lights, the Phoenix Lights.

SPEAKER_05 12:23

Yeah, Phoenix Lights. I can't so I still can't believe I missed that when I lived in Arizona.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

Oh, you were living there at the time?

SPEAKER_05 12:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:30

What? And you missed it?

SPEAKER_05 12:32

I missed it.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

Wow. I'm surprised nobody called you, tell you.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

That was a big thing. Yeah, it was seen by like millions of people, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:40

It wasn't just did any of the armed forces claim it or oh, they said that the lights were a series of flares. Flares that I know of don't fly or hover. Yeah, exactly. Flares go up and they come down, as far as I know.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Right. What about those, you know, those light things you put a candle in a little tiny paper? Oh, yeah. It goes up. I love when they try and blame it on that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:07

Or what I like is either swamp gas or reflection off a bird's wing.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Right, exactly. Reflection of a bird's wing.

SPEAKER_05 13:14

That's a good thing. Yeah, okay. I'm I'm stupid. I'll believe that one.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

I'll just take anything you said. Let's just do it.

SPEAKER_05 13:19

Yeah. So what about you? You've had experiences.

SPEAKER_03 13:22

Yeah. Gosh, when I was a kid, this is when it all started. It was right after my dad left. And a lot of times things like this happen after a traumatic experience. It kind of opens you up to these experiences somehow. And I was sitting in our family room and we were living in Miami and had jealousy windows. If you don't know what jealousy windows are, you have to Google it. And I was watching the sky, was looking out at the sky. There was kind of a light, maybe from the moon, that was kind of on the tips of the trees. And so I was looking beyond the trees and I saw this light, and it looked like a circular light, and it went over the house. And I got up because I knew immediately that it was UFO. And I ran to across the room into my bedroom and was watching out the window, and it just went and then disappeared. We were not in the flight line of the Miami airport. There was no sound to it. And not long after that, I came into my room one. It was in, I don't know, I'd probably been out playing or something like that. And I didn't notice it when I left, but I came into the room, and right when I walked in, there were three, they looked like tiny nuggets, like fool's gold, only silver, but they were much smaller. It just like three small nuggets. And I thought, oh, the UFO people were here last night. Just automatic response. That's the first thing I thought of. And since then, I've had numerous dreams about being on a craft, and they were teaching me about energy and how they maneuvered their craft with energy in their hands and energy coming from their hands. Another time I had a dream where they were showing me how they used energy to move things, and it was kind of like Star Treky when they dissolve and they get transported somewhere else. Yeah. It was kind of like that. Like they were showing me with a two by four, and that all of a sudden it just was all that sparkly energy stuff, and they just moved the energy, which would automatically move the object if it were in our reality. And then right after Tom and I got back together, and for people who don't know our story, we dated in the 70s and lost contact for 35 years. And I found him 17 and a half years ago. It'll be 18 years this July. And the first night that I went out to Arizona to see him, we were just lying in bed and we were on our backs and we're just looking, not doing much. And all of a sudden, there was this red to me. It was different for him because I saw a red ball with kind of an a yellow and then orange tail to it. And it went around the circumference of the room. It followed where the crown molding would be. There wasn't crown mold molding, but that's where it was. And it went around the room. It did not falter. So it was not a laser coming from outside because the blinds were closed. And it followed around the whole circumference of the room. I said, Did you see that? And he said, Yeah. And we both thought it was kind of weird. And we didn't say anything. I closed my eyes. He kept looking and it happened again. So he saw it the second time. I had my eyes closed. And after that, we both jumped up and we're he had a futon on a on a platform. And so we both stood up and were standing on top of the futon. And then he jumped down on the floor and looked out of the blinds to see if anyone was out there with a laser or if he could see anything else. And the room was just so filled with this intense energy. And and for me, I could actually see the energy in the room because it looked like tempered glass when it's cracked before it breaks. So it had all these lines going through it. And it the room was just filled with this energy. And it was just, we just went crazy about that. And so we asked Abram about it. And it was just our ET friends checking in on us because it had been a long time. And it was in our design that we got back together again and would move forward to have this kind of life. And so they were checking in on us. And Abram said that it was a probe. And I said, Well, was it a manned probe? And he said it was. And so that's been our it was my biggest experience. Wow. Hey, hey, what's up? Come on in. Let's have a cup of coffee and come on. Come on. Yeah. And and I've had a lot of dreams about not only being on crafts, but there were speaking of airplanes disguising themselves as a UFO, I had a dream, and it was one of those dreams that was so clear and so strong where you're actually in it, like nothing else exists, like we are in this reality when we're so focused in on this reality. That's how this dream was. And there was this airplane that I saw. I was standing on the ground and an airplane was going by and very low altitude, where a plane wouldn't be able to fly that low. And it was this bright, shiny silver plane. But in the dream I knew it was a UFO. But it was disguised as a airplane. And if you think about it, look how UFOs have, or UAPs now that they call them, how they've changed since the 50s when they used to have the nuts and bolts around them. And so they kind of change, I think, as we progress in our knowledge and understanding of them. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_02 18:52

That it's our perception that changes and not the actual Yeah. Yeah. Well, sure, if especially if they're able to project what they want to project. Right.

SPEAKER_04 18:59

I've always felt the ones with that had nuts and bolts were military, our military making made. That could very well be too.

SPEAKER_05 19:06

That we civilization is that advanced, why would they still be using nuts and bolts?

SPEAKER_03 19:10

Yeah, right. You know, in the 50s, would we really have that kind of knowledge?

SPEAKER_05 19:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 19:15

Right out of yeah, yes. Yeah, we've had that knowledge for a long time.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

Yeah. Because I'm thinking about the Betty and Barney Hill, yes, and their experience, and that's how they described it.

SPEAKER_04 19:26

And so what I've heard, many people who have had experiences like that, the government, now this is just I am not saying this is true. I'm just saying what I've heard. The government has, I don't know how to put it, they pretend, I guess, that they're doing abductions and they take their spacecrafts and they they can be humanoid-looking people that come and abduct you or whatever, but it's all like it's all military. And wow. The reason that they do that is because they want to instill fear of the extraterrestrials.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

And I'm not saying every single abduction is like that at all. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that some, you know, they say that they go aboard the craft and they see humans, even some humans in military uniforms. And I think it's just to terrorize us, just to keep us from wanting to know more about these extra convincing us that the extraterrestrials are not good, right?

SPEAKER_03 20:21

Evil and evil. Evil. I've heard that, and I'm not saying that it's true or not, but I've also heard that they did that with the animal mutilation. Oh my god. And the government was involved in quite a bit of that.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

That wouldn't surprise me, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

Yeah, yeah. Do you want me to tell my first story, my first UFO story, ET story? I don't even know if Annalisa's heard it. I don't think I have. Is that the one when you went on the craft?

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 20:46

Yeah. This was back in 1980. Let's see. Yeah, 1980, 1986. I was married and living in San Diego with three children. My youngest daughter was about seven months old. And we were sleeping, and I woke up with this knowing that they are coming. And I was very excited because they were my family and I hadn't seen them in a long time. And they were coming and I needed to go outside. I got up out of bed, I went to my daughter's room, my seven-month-old, and took her out of her crib, put her on my hip. We walked out the front door. We walked to the curb, and I'm standing at the curb and I'm looking up at the sky, and I see what looks like northern lights, but it was like every color of the rainbow, just swirling just through the sky. It was just absolutely gorgeous. And that was their sign to me that they are here. And then the odd part, well, the whole thing's odd. The weird part, the weird part of this, the weird part of that is it was like my my next memory. I don't remember walking there or Flying there or driving there or whatever, but we were in a field and it was an open field that was surrounded by trees. It was dark outside, but there was a moon and I could see around us, and there were lots of people there, and then everybody was in their pajamas. I was in my pajamas, and I distinctly remember an older couple who were standing next to each other, and they were in their pajamas as well. And they kind of looked like they were confused, or maybe like they were sleepwalking, or I don't know. Everybody had like weird looks on their faces, almost like they were sleepwalking. It was weird. And then I looked in front of me and I saw a spacecraft sitting there on the ground, and it was a traditional-shaped spacecraft with a dome on the top. And then as soon as we saw it, everybody started walking toward the spacecraft. And when I started getting up closer, I could see that there was a being standing outside of like an open door. And it was a tall being. I knew it was female, had white hair, like white robes, and her arms were longer than ours, and her fingers were longer than ours. So she looked a little odd. She, I mean, she looked humanoid, but she her arms and her and her fingers were a lot longer than ours. And as I'm walking closer to her, I start feeling this unconditional love. And the closer I got to her, the more, the stronger it got. And it was to the point where it was almost overwhelming. And I got up to her and I was feeling this beautiful. There's no words. There's no, there's no human words that can explain what the way it felt. It was just overpowering, unconditional love. She didn't say a word. I don't even remember seeing her move. And then we all started filing aboard the spacecraft. And we went in and I'm looking around, and I could see like the walls were, it looked sterile, just really shiny walls and shiny floors, and it almost looked like a, you know, like an operating room kind of. It was wasn't an operating room, but I mean, just the um just the walls and everything that it just looks sterile in there. And we started going down this really narrow hallway. And I remember when I was going down the hallway, I looked up and I could see the stars. It's like I was, I don't know, it was weird. It was like there was no ceiling. It was just I could see stars. And we walked down this hallway, and then we came to a room on the right that had like an archway door, no door. No, it wasn't able to close, but it was just an archway. And everybody started to walk in there. And when I got inside, it was a round room, completely round. And then at the bottom, it had like a bench seating that went around the whole room. And in the middle of the room, there was a really large quartz crystal. When I say really large, I mean it was like really large. It was really large. And it was sitting on some kind of a platform or a pedestal or something. When we came in, and this was not a large room, this was pretty small room, maybe a large bedroom size room. And we walked in and we started walking around the crystal and around where the bench seating is. And then we found a place to sit. And I remember walking around this crystal and then sitting down and putting my daughter in my lap. And then I'm looking at the door and I'm watching all the other people come in and they all take a seat. And then all of a sudden, I thought about my husband laying in bed. And I got really panicky. And I thought if he wakes up and sees that we're gone, he's gonna freak out. And hardly did I even get that thought out of my head when the being who was now standing at the doorway said to me telepathically, do not worry, he will be fine. And so the fear and the panic that I was feeling completely left my body. And I was okay. And I was like, Yeah, look, you know, let's let's do this, whatever this thing is. And then my next memory is being in my bed the next day. Um, I've had multiple regressions to try to go back and remember or more of the details of where we went and what we did and the being that was there. And it was interesting that the next morning, when I woke up in my bed, I was just remembering what had happened and I was very confused. I wasn't even into UFOs and extraterrestrials and stuff. That was not my thing. I mean, yeah, I believed that there was possibly people of it living on other planets, but it wasn't like something I was obsessed with or anything. I had so many different emotions. I was like, part of me was scared, part of me was was excited, part of me was like just all these different emotions. And when I was thinking back at this woman that was standing outside the spacecraft, I couldn't visualize her face. It was like it was blurred out. I could see her whole body, but for whatever reason, her face was blurred out. And in one of the regressions that I went through, he took me back and I could see it was mostly her eyes. It was almost like her and I were nose to nose, and I could see her eyes, and they were not shaped like ours. They were more round and a lot larger than our eyes, but the colors in her eyes was so beautiful. It was almost like looking at shards of glass, different colors of blues, like crystals. And it was just the most beautiful thing. And in the middle of this regression, and I see her eye, her eyes pop up, and I see her eyes, and I'm looking into these beautiful eyes, and I just started crying. And the guy who was doing the regression, he thought I was scared or something. I was having some kind of traumatic whatever. And he's trying to calm me down. It's okay, you're safe, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I just remember saying, You don't understand. It's so beautiful. She's so beautiful. She's so beautiful. And then he's like, Oh, okay, well, continue, you know, and and then he he was able to walk me through more of seeing the inside of the spacecraft. And what I was told, the information that I was given was they took me and my daughter aboard the ship. I still to this day don't understand why my daughter went, why I took her. But what they said was they jumpstarted me. It was my time to wake up spiritually. And it was a couple of days after that happened where I had a major spiritual awakening. And it was very intense and very kind of scary. I mean, I thought I was losing my mind. And after that happened, then I started having out-of-body experiences. I was being able to see things that happen before they happen, and all of this really interesting stuff started happening to me. So yeah, I mean, that was basically my first encounter with the the ETs that I'm currently in contact with.

SPEAKER_02 28:34

Yeah, that's pretty cool. It's like, oh well, that was my first, you know, that was major. I like to see something uh dart across the sky.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

Should we invite Abram in at this point? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 28:45

Okay, give me a minute. See you when it's all done. Hello, my friends.

SPEAKER_03 28:50

Hi, Abram. Hi, Abram.

SPEAKER_05 28:52

So, how are all of you feeling?

SPEAKER_03 28:54

Wonderful, good, great.

SPEAKER_05 28:56

How would you like to begin?

SPEAKER_03 28:57

Well, we're talking about ETs today, so I'll start off with a question.

SPEAKER_05 29:02

All right.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

Is there something about extraterrestrials that most people get completely wrong?

SPEAKER_05 29:09

Yes. Extraterrestrial beings are going to save humanity. No, not at all. They have better things to do with their time. But when they are, there is no time, there is only experience. What they have been doing is simply guiding the consciousness of people into understanding people themselves in a more complete way. Because when you understand yourself in a more complete way, you begin to figure out who, what, and why you are all about. That in itself brings about spiritual awakening. People are talking about, well, my awakening, his awakening, her awakening, their awakening, my dog's awakening, ants are awakening, birds are awakening, everything is awake. Awakening happens when you look within and find out who you really are, what you are about, and why you are. And those ETs, as you call them, extraterrestrial beings, are simply guiding human consciousness into that area. This is all they are doing. It is not up to them, it is up to you people as to what you are going to do with your reality and how you are going to awaken to yourself. Because when you awaken, you awaken to yourself. Because everything is all about you, because you create it all. Period. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 30:38

Do ETs sometimes play the role of a guide for someone? And can they help activate dormant abilities in a person?

SPEAKER_05 30:47

They can, but it is always up to the individual himself or herself as to whether or not they want to be activated. Now, many people are saying, yes, come, come to the earth, activate me, I'm ready to be activated. I activate my third eye, activate my chakra points, activate my DNA, have everything come alive within me. Stop it. Is not going to happen that way. At times, ETs will guide people because the people themselves are of the same place in the universes that the ETs exist. There are no people from your planet Earth. None. No one. Everyone has their origin elsewhere in the universe or in other universes as well. Your origin is not from your planet Earth. You are on your planet Earth for a while. It has been designed to be a playground for people, not a prison, not a place to learn lessons because that implies school and you might fail in school and all the rest. Everything is a game, a good game, a positive game. This is why all of you people are on your planet Earth at this point in time, to play the game, to design the game, the way you need to experience the game. And when you play the game, no matter what game you might be playing, you win the game. ETs can guide you. But it is always up to you. They can, yes, cause awakening, cause DNA activation to a slight degree, which they have done in the past many thousands of years ago, but it is always up to the individual. Because they, the ETs, they understand that you people are in charge. Let me put it that way. They are not in charge. You are in charge. And they do what you need them to do for you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 32:37

Would you say that when someone gains more self-awareness that that could be considered an awakening of sorts? Absolutely. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 32:46

When you are more aware of yourself, you have looked at yourself from many angles. You define yourself in many different ways. And all of those definitions bring you to a point of understanding more of who, what, and why you are. Now, all of you, you know who you are. You have names, and that will suffice. Not really, but all right, it will suffice. What are you? You think you know that by now also. You are a creative being, a creative force and source of energy. This is what you really are. You are not a physical human being, you are energy. Pretending to be a physical human being. Now, the big question, the hard one, why are you? Think about that, all of you, my friends, think about why you are. You might want to think about why you are in this way. You are to cause the absolute best, and best is not a judgment word, reality that you can cause by designing it in many different ways and have it become the exact outcome that you need to experience while you are alive as a physical human being. You need basically and the bottom line is you need to experience your experience. This is what you are all about. This is what awakening is all about. This is what activation is all about. Experiencing your experience. You are an idea. All of you people, all of you people, all over your planet Earth. You are an idea. Understand yourselves in that way. Then you can entertain all of the thousands of possibilities that you can use to design your reality. Not create it, but design it. And when you have designed it, then it will act in ways that will allow you to experience your experience. You will become your reality, and your reality will become you. And maybe people are going to say, Well, I know I am my reality. I know that. You don't have to tell me that, well, you think you know everything. No, I don't know everything, but you don't know that really what reality is and really what you are, because you are too focused on and in being a physical human being with your likes and dislikes, your successes, your failures, and all the rest. If you choose to begin thinking of yourself in energetic ways a bit more, then you will understand the idea that you are and the idea of experience.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

Thank you. Are there differences? Uh well, that's a stupid question. There are differences, but ETs that most people are familiar with are the Greys, the Nordics, Reptilians, and the mantis beings.

SPEAKER_05 35:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

What other ones besides those are interested in our development?

SPEAKER_05 35:40

Arthurians. Very interested. The Adians, very interested. Most of those civilizations, not all of them, most of them, had somewhat of a hand in designing human DNA at some point, or should I say, at various points in time, as you know time to exist, but there is no time. And when you can understand there is no time, then you can understand that you are those thousands of possibilities. And you can act out in all the ways of all those possibilities. People want to become something. People want to become a certain way, a certain being. I want to become this. Well, begin acting out like you are that now. Don't want to become it because you will not become it because you want it. You will always want it. Act out as if you are it now. You are that way now. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 36:36

What are the different ways that extraterrestrials will communicate with people?

SPEAKER_05 36:40

Telepathically.

SPEAKER_03 36:41

Is that the main way?

SPEAKER_05 36:43

Yes. You people are at a point in your evolution when you still are able to use your mouth and mouth words. And words are just letters put together to make a sound. So all you do, you don't speak words, you just speak sounds. All of your words are just sounds. What gives words their identity is your intention of how you use them and the tone of your voice. You all know this by now. ETs don't move lips. They don't speak words that can make sounds, yes, but mostly telepathically. This is how they communicate with you people. And in the future you will also be able to communicate telepathically with them and with each other as well. In the future. Way off in the future. Way off in the future. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 37:29

And when you say way off, are you talking from the past?

SPEAKER_05 37:31

I mean way off. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Well, at least I know there's a future now.

SPEAKER_05 37:37

There is a future, yes, there is also a past. But understand one thing they all exist right now. Right now, yeah. Is there a future? Is there really a way off in the future? Or could it be right now, hiding on you because you have not allowed it to become alive in your present framework of reality?

SPEAKER_03 37:56

So are the ETs that we see now and know about now, are they our future selves?

SPEAKER_05 38:01

Some of them, yes. Some of them. Not all of them, some of them. Okay. You'll become the graze.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

Stephen Greer came up with close encounters of the fifth kind, and that is how people can contact the ETs instead of waiting for them to contact us. Is that possible?

SPEAKER_05 38:20

Yes. Also, if you want to communicate, if you want to meet, if you want to be with alien beings, use your dream state. Suggest to yourself as you prepare for sleep that you will meet up with whatever alien being or beings you want to meet up with. Practice that. The P-word, P-word, practice. You practice everything in life. So practice dreaming. Create those pretend practice dreams. Communication usually begins in the dream state with ETs. Because it is a safe place for you to meet with them. If you were to walk out of your door right in front of an extraterrestrial being, no matter if it is an ant being, a mantis being, or a Nordic, tall white, small white, orange, red person, you would hesitate. Whoa, hey, what is this all about? Get out of here. In your dreams, you're calm, you're relaxed, you invite them in your dream. So practice dreaming about alien beings. Practice having a desire to meet with them. Usually it does begin in the dream state. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

This is my last question before I intergoed. With me, I'm sure we have plenty more questions. No, I forgot my question. Oh, full disclosure. People are there's the big thing about, oh, full disclosure is going to happen in 2026. Now it's 2027. Now it's 2030. Yada yada yada. So everyone is still expecting that there's going to be full disclosure, that the government is going to come out and say, oh, yes, everybody's been correct. And we don't think the government will, or I don't think the government will.

SPEAKER_05 40:02

No, they will not. Number one, they will not. No, they will not. Number two, I predict that your son is going to burn out in 2029. No. 2031. No. 2048 and a half. No. 3017 and one quarter. People make predictions. Most of those people know not what they are talking about. They are imagining things, which is good to a degree because your imagination does help design your reality. But if you are going to imagine something, imagine something that has some sense of realism about it. But really, what is real? Nothing is real. But you create real and realism. Your government is not going to Don't even wait. Let me put it that way. Let me put it that way. Don't wait. Because you will be waiting. You will have long beards and everything else. Don't wait. Not going to happen. Those who predict, full disclosure. Most of them, not all of them, most of them are guessing. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 41:09

Gary. Hi, Abram.

SPEAKER_05 41:10

Hello, my friend. How are you feeling?

SPEAKER_04 41:12

I am feeling wonderful.

SPEAKER_05 41:14

Keep it that way.

SPEAKER_04 41:16

I am. I intend to.

SPEAKER_05 41:19

So the because I will be watching you.

SPEAKER_04 41:23

That's scary.

SPEAKER_05 41:24

Just playing with you.

SPEAKER_04 41:27

The UFO that I saw outside of the airplane, was that my family? What was that? And was it manned?

SPEAKER_05 41:36

Yes and yes.

SPEAKER_04 41:37

And why did they show up?

SPEAKER_05 41:40

Because being your family, you keep tabs on your children, do you not?

SPEAKER_04 41:46

Yes. Well, so they were keeping tabs on me.

SPEAKER_05 41:49

Absolutely. They always do. So did they on you? They keep tabs on Comment Susanna. They keep tabs on Anna Lisa. Although she does not really know it, but don't tell her I said so.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

Okay, well. Did they show up just for my eyes, or could other people have seen that craft outside?

SPEAKER_05 42:09

Just for yours because you are a member of their family. No one let me put it this way no one else matters to them right now. Just you do.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

Okay. All right. Thank you for that. I have a question. David Icke. David Ike talks about shape-shifting beings that can take over a person's body or even take the place of someone.

SPEAKER_05 42:31

No.

SPEAKER_04 42:32

Okay. So they take over their body.

SPEAKER_05 42:35

Shape-shifting beings shift their appearance so that they can appear in a comfortable way to human beings. No one, nothing, can or will ever take over a human being's body? There are those channels, people who call themselves channels, who say, well, my source that I channel steps right into my being, right into my body and takes over. And I say, think about what you are saying. Is there really room in your frail physical shell for two sources of energy? If there was, you would burn. You would catch on fire and burn. I do not step into Tom's b I don't want to. He has a nice body, but not for me. I don't want to step into it. I create emerging between our consciousnesses. Shape shifters will shift their shape to become something comfortable for people. They cannot, will not ever take over anyone's body, mind, or soul or anything.

SPEAKER_04 43:40

So the consensus is that these shape-shifting beings are malevolent.

SPEAKER_05 43:47

And excuse me for interrupting you. Thank you. I love you. There are beings and civilizations that are benevolent. There are beings. Beings and civilizations malevolent. There are beings and civilizations above you people. There are beings and civilizations below you people, evolution-wise. All types of ETs in all universes that can be imagined. All types. Think about it.

SPEAKER_04 44:26

What he also talks about is the reptilians and how they control the government. Is that true?

SPEAKER_05 44:33

There are especially two types of alien beings working with your government at this point in time, always have been. Reptilians, not really. Not really. Other races, two other races of beings. And what they are trying to do, what they are trying to do is to help your government, and this might sound crazy, because it has not happened yet. Have your government become pure and have compassion. And they are trying to have your government be of service, positive service, to pick take care of people. You are the government. Take care of your people. This is what they're trying to do.

SPEAKER_04 45:14

So is part of that process to break down the current government and building a big one.

SPEAKER_05 45:22

In a sense, in a sense. But they understand no matter what they try to do for your government and your people, they understand they cannot interfere with what you people are doing. Because you people have to do what you have been and are doing as a part of your evolutionary path. You take the good with the bad, you take the bad with the good. Old sayings, but they are true sayings. And what is important is if you take the bad with the good, what is it that you are going to do with the bad? What are you going to do with the good? What are you going to do with all of it? Think about your life. What are you going to do with it? Think about your abilities. All of you. All of you, my friends. Think about your abilities. What are you going to do with them? Think about your shortcomings. All of those all of those nasty patterns that repeat themselves over and over and keep you from really being yourself. What are you going to do with them? I have a secret for you. There's one word. It begins with the letter C. We can spell also. The word is change. Let things change. So many times when you try to change something, and this applies for those ETs, trying to help your government, when you try to change something, you will not be able to change it because you're trying to change it. Trying leaves room for failure. But when you let change take place, you step out of the way of yourself. And you let your inner wisdom, inner power that you have, take over in a gentle way and cause the change to take place. So it is all about letting things change, letting your life be the way you desire it to be. Let it be that way. It will work for you. And don't try to figure things out in life. It will drive you crazy. Some things you just cannot figure out because some things just have no meaning. Let things be. You might find a bit more inner peace. What else, my friend?

SPEAKER_04 47:31

Let's see. The three eye atlas, that comet or whatever, that interstellar comet that went by. What is that? Some people say it is a UFO, some people say it's just a comet, a rock.

SPEAKER_05 47:48

What is it? Now some people are saying that it has and it is going to really, really, as you say, jumpstart evolution for people. Three eye atlas was a blessing for mankind. Mankind has so much to learn from three eye atlas. We are all going to evolve much more quickly. Our third eye has been activated by three eye atlas. Our DNA has been completely resigned. Stop it. So it's just a rock? Probably just a rock. Let me put it that way. Probably just a rock floating through, floating by. Let me put it that way.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Anything else, my friends? I have a question about what I saw when I was a child. Those there were a string of lights, and they're all different colors. And I was fascinated by it enough to go to sit there and think, okay, is that a plane? Is that a projection? Is that the blimp? Because when I was a kid, the blimp would fly over with lots of colors. And as I'm sitting there looking at it, the lights uh unbanded from the string became just went out in all different directions. And I had no idea. I knew it was obviously some kind of visit, as you say they are looking at me as well. But that was the only thing, the only time I've ever seen anything like that.

SPEAKER_05 49:15

This is why I brought up dreams. If you would like to have more encounters, use your dream state. Right. Many times what you call a UFO, a craft, a ship, call it what you want, will appear as one, then suddenly will appear as three, then suddenly five and seven and eleven, and all fly off in different directions or all come together again. You people have not yet imagined what they can do. You have not yet imagined what those ETs are able to do, but you will. You need to understand your origins from elsewhere also. You also have an ET family and when you see things kind of like that, understand they are looking after you, they are checking in with you. They might not talk to you, but they can take all the information from you that they want to. Because they merge their consciousness with yours. And many times you will not even be aware of what is going on. You will feel nothing, you will experience nothing, but at times you might. Thank you. Anything else for Frank?

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Thank you. If we get to the point of nuclear war or we will step in, they will step in.

SPEAKER_05 50:30

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

What origin is Annalisa?

SPEAKER_05 50:34

Oh yeah. If I told you Orion, what would you think? A belt. The star belt in the sky. The star belt. The belt of Orion. Right. This is your origin, Orion. You are of Orion. Thank you. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

Can people have multiple origins?

SPEAKER_05 50:52

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

Oh I felt a Pleiadian connection at one time when I was looking into things.

SPEAKER_05 50:58

At one time when you were looking into things, you thought that.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Yes, but I wasn't, I mean, I didn't dive deep enough to look into if I was part of that. Dive into it. Okay. See what you find out. I'll be diving.

SPEAKER_05 51:09

Good. Have a happy dive.

SPEAKER_04 51:12

And my origin?

SPEAKER_05 51:13

What do you think?

SPEAKER_04 51:14

Pleiadian.

SPEAKER_05 51:15

Why did you ask me?

SPEAKER_04 51:17

I just wanted to see what you thought.

SPEAKER_05 51:20

What I think does not matter. What you know matters. Do you understand that? Yes. Pleiades, absolutely, yes. Anything else, my friends?

SPEAKER_03 51:30

I'm good. Why does the government, especially our government, want to keep people in fear of ETs and UFOs, UAPs?

SPEAKER_05 51:39

There is a possibility of an alien attack. Planned alien. False alien attack. For the purpose of having total control of people. This is what your government wants. Total, absolute control of people. And they will use confusion and fear and everything else they can imagine to have that control. This is why I keep telling people, really think about exactly how you would like your reality to be. Begin designing it or redesign it that way. And let it be that way. You people do not have to be under the thumb of your government. You people have the power, and especially the power, to run your own life. Think for yourselves. Design, redesign, create, recreate your reality in any way you would like it to be or desire it to be. Use that power. Don't shelve it. Use it. Don't ignore it. It is talking to you. It wants to be used. Use that power because you are that power. And reality is your right. And your life is your right. Let it be that way. Anything else, my friends?

SPEAKER_03 52:51

I don't think I have anything else.

SPEAKER_05 52:52

I'm good, so I'm still gonna be thinking about things a lot. You are good, you have nothing. You are thinking I am good, everything is good, everyone is good, you listen to it. We are all good. So I will thank all of you. I've enjoyed being with you. This has been fun for me, my friends. I love all of you. Enjoy your day, redesign. If you want to, your reality, think about how you would really like it to be, and let it be that way. Thank you, my friends.

SPEAKER_02 53:18

Thank you, bro. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 53:20

How'd you go?

SPEAKER_02 53:21

Hey, good. I have lots of research to do, apparently. A lot of dreaming to do, too. A lot of dreaming to do.

SPEAKER_05 53:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

I'm finding my origin. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 53:37

That was a lot of information.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

That was great.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

Yeah. Good. He doesn't remember anything, so I love that. I love that. We have to fill him in.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

Always filling him in afterwards. Grandpa, this is what happened. Put down the iPad.

SPEAKER_04 54:03

Oh wow. Crazy world we live in.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Yeah, I'm I'm appreciative if the help uh actually comes before we do something really stupid.

SPEAKER_04 54:11

Yeah, they're not gonna let us nuke ourselves or nuke anybody.

SPEAKER_03 54:14

No. The way they've shown how they can turn the power off on you know military bases and Malmstrom, Malmstrom Air Force Base. Malmstrom, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:25

Shut down all the nukes, push that button off. Good for them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:29

Yep. So no full disclosure. We have to do it ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 54:34

Yeah, I I've been saying that for a long time. The government is not going to be the one to disclose. We have to do this disclosing.

SPEAKER_03 54:41

There's so many other countries that are so far ahead of us in every way that are so much more sophisticated than we are. We are so far behind the times in everything.

SPEAKER_02 54:52

I remember even way back in 2007, 2008, where my friends in Australia were already using FaceTime like apps to video each other. Now now it's second nature for us to do that. Back then it was brand new and America didn't have it yet. And in my mind, I'm like, I thought we were the first to get stuff like that. But it was like a full year before we got that. Yeah. So there's definitely the whole idea of our government having things before we do technologically. Absolutely. We're we're probably like 30 years behind what they have.

SPEAKER_04 55:23

Yeah, we've been lied to when we've been told we are the greatest nation on the planet. We are the best. We're number one. We have the biggest everything.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

I've always hated that little rally cry that we apparently do with other countries. You go to Europe and they're back in 86, they were laughing at us. That's sweet.

SPEAKER_03 55:44

Bless your heart. Bless your heart.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

Pat on the head.

SPEAKER_04 55:54

I know the whole world's laughing at us now.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

So cute. Yeah. Travel. That's my advice for anyone. Travel outside the country because it's a whole different gig.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

It is. It's a different world out there.

SPEAKER_04 56:08

Yep. I would much rather live in another country than this one. And if I could, I would. If I had the the means to do it, I would. Because it's just a whole different world out there. I mean, all countries have their problems, right?

SPEAKER_02 56:23

Of course. Yeah. But we are so behind when it comes to because I mean I'm going to say this and it's going to ruffle feathers. Because of capitalism, we think we're the greatest country. If you see anything that looks like socialism, you hate it, apparently, in this country. Although we do have things that would be considered we've been taught that.

SPEAKER_04 56:42

Yeah. Yeah, we've been taught that. Yeah. If you're a socialist, you're a communist.

SPEAKER_02 56:47

Yeah. And there's different kinds of socialism. Exactly. There's more than one definition of what or you know, break off of what we could do with that. Yeah, but that's the ideologies aren't the problem.

SPEAKER_04 56:58

That's all part of the brainwashing and the propaganda that we have experienced for decades. And you keep repeating the same thing over and over again. You know, everybody believes it.

SPEAKER_03 57:09

We're all being duped. Yeah. I can tell you from first hand experience when you stop watching the news, listening to it, and I'm talking about the podcasters, everyone else, just stop. Just stop, stop, stop. And go read or get audible and listen to books while you drive. Stay away from it all. Get off of social media. If you do this for a month, you will be so surprised at how much you've changed and how at more peace you can feel.

SPEAKER_02 57:41

Oh, that's so true. So true. I also noticed that the media and other, let's just for the specific example, the media for the longest time, past few years, have wanted everyone to believe that San Francisco has become this horrible place. It used to be great, and now it's this absolutely horrible skid row kind of place. And I've lived here my whole life. And things change, yeah, but I'm not seeing what they're seeing. I talk to other people, they're not seeing it. If you live in certain neighborhoods that have always been kind of skid row-y, then yeah, that's still the same. But I'm not seeing what the media says is this horribleness that's happening in San Francisco. Now that's just a small example of what I'm trying to say. The media has an agenda to make you feel or think a certain way. Well, look, no matter what.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

Well, exactly. I've always been a firm believer that the the media controls how we think, how we feel.

SPEAKER_05 58:39

And the government controls the media.

SPEAKER_04 58:41

And the government controls the media.

SPEAKER_02 58:43

And that's my fear with AI. I mean, the TV has been this box in our houses that has kind of brainwashed us, kind of, you know, tried to get us to think a certain narrative and only one narrative. AI is going to be a hundred times of that, a hundred million times of that if we don't do something to regulate it.

SPEAKER_05 59:01

I don't like and I don't use AI at all. Yeah. I just don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 59:05

It's great for certain things. I have no problem with certain things, but when it starts taking jobs, or writing music and putting music up as that's that blows me away that people are using that and then calling themselves a composer. That blows me away.

SPEAKER_05 59:20

The copyright office and the courts have decided now that AI written music cannot be copyrighted.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

Good. Use it. I mean, people can take it and use it.

SPEAKER_05 59:31

If you can't copyright it, you can't monetize it, can't make money. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 59:34

That's good. That is perfect. I'm glad that they've done something.

SPEAKER_03 59:38

I like AI for editing, checking my spelling, checking sensitivity.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

Absolutely helpful. Grammar, things like that. But what I've seen to to for it to be used with misinformation, with advertising, you know, and the way you have to decipher, did that really happen, or is that AI? Look at the fingers. Look at the eye. You know, I mean it's oh, it's getting bad. Oh, it's getting so very bad.

SPEAKER_03 59:59

And they're getting very good at the videos. Yes. It's I don't believe anything that I see anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:06

Exactly. And obviously that's and they want you to do that. Yeah, that's the point. To you know, kind of not to question it, but to go, I don't believe that. You know, I mean, it's not even questioning anymore. It's like, that's AI. And that's that makes me nervous.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:21

Yeah, it's very scary because if people believe these crazy videos that people are putting out there, you know, what I mean, it it could be really bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:31

And I've seen them on both sides of the political fence, whether it's so so-and-so said this, so-and-so did this, and they've both been AI and they've both been ridiculous inflammatory things. And it's like, stop it. I mean, it could lead us into a civil war.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:44

It absolutely could. Yeah. I hate to say that we live in scary times, but we live in scary times. We just do. The 70s were scary, the 60s were scary.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:53

I mean, this is a whole different level of scary, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:56

The 60s were scary in a good way.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

Well, yeah. I mean, it put pushed the envelope in so many ways. The uh the war was not was not great, but no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

There was a lot of violence, a lot of violence in the 70s. Civil unrest, yeah. And a lot of changes in the framework of the 70s, that was scary times. In our framework, looking back at it, it may not seem that scary as compared to the kind of crap that's going on now. Right. So within each framework of experience and decades, it has its own framework. This is just in my opinion. And that has its own framework. The 70s were so there was change everywhere. I mean, all over the spectrum. Everything was changing because they we were getting out of puritanical views and the ways that we looked at sex and looked at each other. And you know, our generation was just sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Right. But it was a lot of it was based on change your consciousness, raise your consciousness, and get away from all of these old stale ideas and let's move forward. And then you have people that then bought into the system and have kept that system going, right, and perpetuated everything that's going on right now instead of sticking to their guns and creating real change. And don't get me wrong, there was a lot of real change, but it's like we take three steps forward and two steps back.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:25

Two steps back, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:26

It's what we're comfortable with. You have people that don't want change, you have the government that doesn't want change, they want their kind of change. And they especially the people that were important and who would create change, positive change for humanity. And what do they do? They kill them all.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:45

I don't want to be here anymore. I want to travel in my dreams now. In fact, I think I do. I think I I will spend every opportunity in my dreams going other places.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:57

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:59

Me too. My dreams are fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:01

Yeah, I when I was younger, my dreams were like movies. Me too. And I could pick up a dream the next night where I left off the night before. It was and the colors and the everything was just it was like I was living in a whole different world, and I loved it. I thought everybody dreamed like that, and then they find out they don't. That was when I was a kid, lots of trauma, and the dream state was my escape. And that's where I wanted to live in my dreams.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:31

I remember a dream I had that continued for three nights in a row. Wow, I just picked it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:37

Isn't that cool? I love that. Yeah, I don't get recurring dreams, but I definitely get that kind of dream. Yeah, I get recurring dreams too, especially the ones where you get in an elevator and then the elevator falls. Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:50

No, I don't like that dream. I hate those dreams. And I don't get nightmares that much. I really haven't had nightmares in years. I have adventures. I mean, there's definitely like heart palpitation kind of moments, but it's never me waking up completely fearful or in distress or anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:07

Yeah, I've had some pretty bad nightmares before.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

Have you?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:10

Oh my god, yeah. A head, a severed head on the on the kitchen counter. And then and then it moved to the toilet and moving head. Oh yeah, just dreams like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:23

Oh no, no, thankfully. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:28

It wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't talking, but that sounds like a movie I saw.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

Definitely a group. Talking to heads. It's a great group.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:38

Do you have anything to add, Tom?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:39

No. I don't remember a lot of my dreams. My dreams are very short and to the point. Logic, just logic. One dream. Yeah, there was one dream. The next night. And when I started dreaming of it, a flashing neon light was going continued, continued, continued, continued. And then the dream picked up where it left off the night before and finished.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

That's cool. That's cool. Do you guys have dreams where you're in different time periods? Even a different gender? Yeah. No, not that. I haven't had that one. I've had one or two where I've been a different gender, and it feels like I'm still me realizing that I'm in a different gender body. It's weird. I wonder if you were dreaming about a past life. That's what I think I was. I mean, I don't have past life recollection like right now. I couldn't tell you anything about a past life, but I think it happens in my dreams. I've had several like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:35

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SPEAKER_02 1:05:54

Let's not say them all.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

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