Episode 1.3 "Open the Door to the Paranormal"

In this episode, Tina & Suzanne take a trip back to their younger years - late night drives to abandoned hospitals, forgotten cemeteries and all the paranormal experiences that came with them. From spooky green orbs floating through a centuries-old graveyard to a terrifying gust of wind that seemed to chase a group of visitors out of the same cemetery, they share the moments that made them believe that there is more to this world than what we can see. 

They also revisit one of the creepiest experiences they had at a boarded-up hospital where five people witnessed the same shadowy figure gliding across the top floor in the dark. 

This episode goes a little deeper than ghost stories - exploring intuition, grief, spirituality and whether being open to the paranormal allows you to experience more of it. From sensing loved ones after death to familiar smells, moving objects and moments of comfort during hard times, this conversation explores the emotional side of believing in the unseen. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:29

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SPEAKER_03 0:38

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In the flesh. So we're back with some more ghost stories because that's what we do. And we thought on this one maybe we would start out with some of our experiences around town. Um before I had kids and uh we were young and young and uh I don't even know. Carefree? Yeah, yeah. We would go on ghost hunts on weekends, and we would all pile in the car and drive around and try and find ghost stuff. And um we would go around to to uh different cemeteries and or hospitals and I or hospitals, yeah. I remember Tina in our very first episode told the story about um the cemetery that she of the city she lives in now, which is a really old cemetery, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Yeah, like yes, over a hundred years old. Oh I'm sure. Yeah, there's headstones, you can't even see stuff on them.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Yeah. But then um we used to play uh Bonko with our group of friends, and one of our friends lived up in a little uh mining town, and you know, it was I don't know, maybe 20 minutes away from where we lived, up kind of in in the the mountains, and so we would drive up there, and there was a really, really old cemetery up there too. And I would say that one was probably 150 years old. Oh my gosh, if not older. If 200 years, yeah, probably from the settlers, and um so one night, and I wasn't the only one who saw this, and as I was uh driving home, it was dark, uh like like black, pitch black, right? Right, and there were all of these green lights, green orbs floating in this cemetery.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

It was weird.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

And clearly, I am not a science major, but I looked up anything I could find to see what could cause those, whether it was like gas or um, you know, obviously I can't think of anything right now, but I couldn't find a scientific explanation for that. Um, and didn't you saw those two? Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

You couldn't not see them in a way as you were driving, because they were just because there were no lights.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

There's no lights on this road, and the cemetery is so old. There are no lights in the cemetery either, but there were all of these green floating orbs. And I thought, okay, are these like lights that somebody has put over their loved one's headstone or what is but it wasn't, and and I looked up years later, in fact, it was just a couple months ago, I found um this page that talked about green orbs floating in other cemeteries, and apparently that's a sign of hauntings or or or maybe not hauntings but supernatural or paranormal activity.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

Yeah, it makes this and it's like they weren't like floating even just barely above the ground, like some of them were the ones I saw were maybe 12 inches above the headstone, above the ground. I felt like the ones that I had seen were like almost like in the trees. It was really Oh, you saw them that high? Yes, it was really weird, like like you said, it's so dark outside, there's no street lights anywhere, and they were like just all over.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

It was uh I don't remember them being that high, but I believe you because I it was packed, yeah. There were so many of them, it was weird, and I yeah, it kind of blew me away, and so I thought there has to be some you know logical scientific explanation for that, but I can't find one.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

No, but I I've I've heard of that before too at other cemeteries too, where you know, people report, or not even just cemeteries, but like even a little bit outside of a cemetery in an area where people see these print orbs. Oh I don't know, or is it or is it paranormal? I think it's paranormal. That's just me. I feel like sometimes, and this may seem silly to others, but I sometimes feel like it's it's um the people who's now that their home that are buried there, like their essence. Yeah, it's like they're so they come alive at night, maybe, and they're out of a mixer of a thousand happy haunts or 999.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

What is it at Disneyland? 999 happy haunts. You would know they're for one more.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

You're more the Disney girl than me. Um, I don't know, but I I I believe it. I do believe that um, you know, I like I like you, I've read articles or I've seen some videos of people who have footage of these um of these orbs. Like, not to bring other things into it, but there are some shows that I watch about um a certain creature that I believe I believe I believe in Bigfoot. I'm sorry I do. I 100% believe in Bigfoot and um a couple of the shows that I watch, you know, when they're they're out and about and there's just these orbs out of nowhere. How do you explain that? I don't it's not gases, you know, because if you're out in the mountains, yeah, where are these gases coming from?

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Well, and I I only ever saw the green orbs once. I mean, as many times and I went to school up in that in that city for three years, right? And I drove that road on a bus every day for three years. I never saw that before. I only saw it the one time. But the fact that you saw it too, and for the life of me, I can't remember if we were together or if we saw it separately. I can't remember that either.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

I just remember feeling in awe, if that makes sense. Like what yeah, I was like, what is that? It wasn't scary. No, I wasn't no, I wasn't scared, but it was like what what is the reasoning for this? Why, you know, like how is this happening? And then it's like, you know, you hear with all these other stories of people who have come across this before too, and it's like I know it's real because I'm not the only one seeing it.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Well, and I will say another time in this same cemetery, this was a different day, and this was in in broad daylight. Do you remember we were doing our our ghost hunt? I think I know where you're going, and there were let's see, one, two, three, four, five. I think there were six of us, and six or seven, six, yeah. I think there were six of us. So, and we pull out, and so there's a little wrought iron arch that leads into the cemetery, and then it's like just dirt and sagebrush and and really old headstones, because I honestly this thing is probably 200 years old, right? Yep, and so we pulled over and it's just dirt and sagebrush and headstones, and we're like, well, let's see what we can find in here. And honestly, I was feeling a little bit freaked out that day. It was it was it was broad daylight, it was warmer, it was uh the the air for lack of a better term was dead. There was no wind, it was just a flat, calm day, right? But for some reason I felt kind of nervous, and I stayed, I chose to stay in the car. And I didn't get out either. I was just saying, I think you and me and your mom stayed in the car, and the other three got out and were walking. Right, that that's exactly how it happened, yes. And what happened was it it was just a really calm day, and the three others went and they were being a little bit rambunctious. Yeah, they were walking and to the point that I feel it was almost disrespectful, and they were being loud and um taunting, maybe, and disrespectful.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

Oh, I think so because if you remember, one of them got really upset with the other two because they were getting a little out of hand.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

They were rowdy, yes, yeah, getting a little out of hand and disrespectful, and all of a sudden the three of us are sitting in the van waiting, and this huge gust of wind just came out of nowhere and almost swept them out of the cemetery, they came running out, right? And as soon as they got to the van, that wind stopped.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

Right, but do you also remember when they got to the van, all three of their phones oh were dead? Yes, all three of their phones were dead. I forgot about that. All three of them were dead, and that's what was even more freakier to me. Because I'm like you, I felt like when they were walking in, I'm like, you know, I I kind of don't feel that's the most respectful thing to do, you know, with the way you're entering the cemetery. But then I just had this feeling of um something coming, if that makes sense. Like something wasn't right. So and and even flow was like, they shouldn't be going in there, they shouldn't be going in there, and then yeah, and I've never had that.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

It was almost like a warning. It was like, don't go in here. I or get out. Yeah, I didn't, but even before we went in, I'm like, I you know, I'm not going in. I just have a bad feeling about this today.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

Well, even like I feel like that gust of wind, just to you know, um touch on it was so out of nowhere, but like it felt like it moved the car, like the wind so it was like a a burst. Yeah, like it just um like I felt like the car was pushed as well, and then they came running back screaming. Yeah, and I there was a part of me that was like, well. And we got in and we're like, go, go, go. Yeah, and then you know, when you push it too far, and then all three of their phones were dead. That was the craziest part. I'm glad you remembered that because I until you said that I I I couldn't remember all of them, all three of their phones were totally.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

I just remember watching them feeling the van move from the wind, watching their hair blow blow forward past their faces because this wind was so strong.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Right. And I I I I remember Flo too when that when the wind hit like that, like I I want to say she got like all emotional over it because she was like, We shouldn't be here, we shouldn't, you know, like we've stepped too far on something. But I I I don't mean to say we we were in the car but knew not to go. But sometimes I feel like that's when you're poking the bear with the paranoia.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Yeah, and you definitely need to have um respect.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Because you're you're stepping in a place where you know people have placed their loved ones or yeah, I would say you know it's sacred, hallowed ground.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Oh, exactly. I don't feel like we ever went into a cemetery. It was just well, you and I is what I'm saying. It was just more of like driving by and seeing things, yeah. Um, you know, where my grandparents are buried, just right up from where they're buried, is um a famous mythical person, you know. And over all my years in high school, I remember people breaking into the cemetery.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Oh, yeah, trying to get to that grave and and yeah, I've never played, I've never played pranks or done an investigation. I mean, I've gone on Memorial Day and taken flowers, right? The respectful one. And and cemetery usually is a really peaceful place to be, right? I wouldn't say that it's scary, but I do feel like um we we were given a feeling don't go in there that day. And they went in anyway, and they were rowdy and disrespectful, and they got shown the door.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

That's that's the best way to look at it. They were shown immediately the door to leave. If you can't come in here with good intentions, then don't come in here at all. Yeah, and I think the message got across because I don't think I ever I don't think we ever went back there. No, to eat. That was the last time. Yeah, I think though, I mean, of course you drive by it getting to you know, Bonco sometimes, but at the same time I never looked at it the same ever since then because I felt like we had hurt these people in a way. Yeah, and I shouldn't say we, but we were with this group, so um but yeah, I was freaked out. I had a hard time with their phones being dead because it was like, yeah, because our phones were fine, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:19

And the fact that all three of them they went in with however full of a charge they had, you know, and then came back out dead. But you know, and some of the other places we drove around to, I I know we went down south um to uh an old hospital that's been closed and boarded up.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Well, they were they were starting to tear it down at the time that we went down there.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

And we were like, let's go check it out before they tear it down. But you guys all went down one time without me. Without, yes. And what did you see that night? It was it was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

It was dark again, just like pitch dark, so dark. But all the windows of this old hospital had been broken out. They were starting to, you know, do the construction to tear it down. And the reason to this day why I know what I saw was real was because all five of us, I believe there was five. One, two, yes, there was five of us. All five of us at the same time gasped and was like, did you just see that? Like all five of us at the same time saw it. So I knew what I was seeing was real. It was like a figure. Um, it was not a person, but it was like a figure that had just coasted, but like a humanoid figure. Like a humanoid, that's what I should, yeah. Uh like like this, the silhouette, like a silhouette of a human, of a it seemed like a man on the very top floor, just like um not coasted or floated, almost like floated, and all five of us at the same time were like, did you just see that? And at the same time, too, I remember like um just goosebumps and the hair on the back of my neck just standing up like I knew whatever I saw was just like a shadow paranormal. Yeah, it wasn't a person because there's no way a person. But I mean, but for lack of a better term, like a shadow entity, shadow person. Yeah, a shadow entity. Yeah, because the way it it glided or or um flow, it was it it I look back on it now and it was kind of the coolest thing to see. Yeah, because I can say I saw it and I know what I saw, but then at the same time, too, it was the scariest thing ever, too, because who sees that? Right.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Like who and the fact that all five of you saw it at the same time. There's no way you can explain it away with like, oh, it's a caretaker or a maintenance man or not with the movement.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Maybe if it hadn't moved the way it did, but like again, it was like a silhouette. It wasn't an actual person. Yeah, it was um it uh unexplainable. Here we go again. It's you know, it's there's no reasoning for what we saw, but except I know what I know what it was. I um, you know, there's a lot of rumors of this hospital that was there, and one of the rumors was one of her nurses had taken her own life in this hospital, and I don't think that's who we saw that day, but I think here in some of the other stories of this hospital, it was one of those patients that had been in this hospital.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

So well, bless you. Thank you. Sorry, I tried so hard not to. That's okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

Um, but yeah, again, like I say, it's it's the coolest thing ever to say that I saw it, but the creepiest thing ever. Right. It's it's the ghost. It is. They're making you sneeze. They're like, hey, remember me? Yep. I got this feather under your nose. I think it's the cool part about believing in the paranormal, though, too, because I know that there's a lot of people who don't believe, and that's to each their own. I I understand that. But at the same time, too, I sometimes think, how lucky are we that we get to see these things? Because other people don't.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Yeah, you know, don't ever see or they're just naysayers or skeptics or or skeptics.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

And I think it's kind of yeah, um I don't know that the blessing is a word, but it's um I feel pretty special that I've been able to see these things because I believe, and not everyone gets that opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

So I think that's true, and I think that like we were talking about earlier, like once that door is open, you know, you can see more things. Once you allow yourself, it's like all this all these experiences will come flooding in that if you aren't allowing yourself that you're missing out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

I think that's a good way to put it too, because I remember I I um I had gone to you know a psychic one day, and um she had mentioned on that that she felt we all had the power to see these things and believe in these things, but we had to be willing to open that door. And I think that there are some people that just don't want to open that door maybe because they're afraid of what they could see, or they just strongly it goes against what they believe in, right? And so they don't open that door.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Yeah, we definitely all have our own belief system, and sometimes you know, our biases or it it flies in the face of what you think life is, and and you're unwilling to even entertain that thought.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Right, and then I I think too um what makes it kind of special about us in a sense, that that this this person or this entity or or or spirit or whatnot allowed for us to be able to see them in a way. Yeah. I think there's gotta be a reason why they looked at us and was like, I feel safe enough with this person.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

You know, that's kind of funny because I was thinking about that, and I remember my mom was sick for you know a good 10-15 years before she died. She was she was not in good health, and and she was really scrappy and she didn't want to die, and she fought with everything that she had, and and uh she lived a lot longer than the doctors told us she was going to live just be just from sheer force of will. She wanted to be here. And I I remember her saying, When I do die, I am gonna come back and see you guys all the time. I will miss you so much. I am gonna come back and see you. Well, she's never come back. Wow, I know it's been six years. I'm like, and my all of my sisters and I are like, Hey, mom, you promised you were gonna come visit us, and not one of us has had an experience. It's like she's off having a good time in the next life, you know. My mom always had FOMO, I think, and she's probably over there just having a great time. And she's like, Yeah, been there, done that, but yeah, she hasn't come back to see us. But but why at times do I feel like I feel my grandpa? Do you know what I mean? Why is he back? And sometimes I wonder, with just with my own belief system and religion, like, okay, does he have a calling to come back and and check on his family? Or um or maybe, you know, why why do some people come back and some people don't? Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

I also think sometimes too, it's the relationship, or maybe not relationship, but maybe your personality that brings them back that they want to check on you or they want to see you.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

That's an interesting thought.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

I I sometimes I think that we draw loved ones back to us because, in a sense, they miss that part of life, in a sense, they miss being able to see us or our silliness or our grumpy, you know. I think there's a part of them that wants to come back for a minute and just like check in and be like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Well, like you said, you felt your mom and your dad. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

Like here in your house now, you have um, is it a stuffed animal or yeah, and you know, um my dad's been gone for almost 20 years now, and I really have never had a really strong feeling of my dad, but I also think that's partially because I didn't have the greatest relationship with my dad the older I got. Um I saw that he wasn't the best person, if that makes sense. So in the afterlife, I don't feel like I ever was like, oh, I miss you, dad, or whereas with my mom, I'm like, oh, go talk, you know. Um, but I have this rabbit in my room um several. Months ago, and a stuffed rabbit. Yeah, sorry, it's a stuffy. Um, and I walked in my room, and um now keep in mind that my mom gave me this rabbit for Easter, gosh, probably back when I was seven. And um it was on the floor, and I'm like, that is the weirdest thing ever. So I picked it back up and I put it where it was, and the very next day I walk in my room and it's on the floor, and I'm like, what is going on here? This thing has sat here for years. Why is it moving? And then I think it was a day or two later, I went into my room to get something, and I literally heard a noise. And as I turned around, I I literally saw the rabbit being pushed off of this case that it's on. And I had the weirdest feeling at first, like I need to run, but then I didn't, and then I could smell my dad. He had this smell of old spice and camel cigarettes, and I could smell it. Like, and I was like, and I remember saying, and I didn't feel weird, I didn't feel like I had to run, and I remember saying, Dad, is that you? And I just had this overwhelming feeling of affirmation.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

And it was my dad, it was the weirdest thing ever, even though it was something from your mom. Yes, that's what was weird. Did you say you originally thought it was your mom?

SPEAKER_02 23:24

I thought it it could be because she had given me this rabbit for Easter. And you know, I'm like, who else would it be? So that was so weird to me that after all these years with nothing with my dad, but to not just feel him, but like smell that old spice and camel cigarettes. Like I know it was him, and I'm like, it's just I'm no denying it. Right, no denying it whatsoever. And it's it's so weird to me because, like I said, he's been gone almost 20 years now, and I'm thinking, why all of a sudden? Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Why, you know, um, and maybe he's like, I wasn't the best to you during life, but I want you to know I'm thinking about you now.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

I that's what I wondered myself. I was like, you know, could it be where he feels guilty that you know he lost out on being a good father when he could have been? Maybe he does feel guilt. Maybe there is some guilt there that he's on the other side and he's like, you know, I really missed out on it on a good opportunity to be a good father.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Well, and I think when we die, you know, we have a lot of clarity and we're gonna see things that we didn't see here. And yeah, I think there's gonna be regrets, and maybe there's gonna be even like moments of pride, like, oh, I'm glad I did this, or you know what I mean? It's I think it's gonna run the gamut of emotions. It's gonna be, you know, I wish I had done this better, or maybe I can make amends with this person, or um, you know.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

I I have wondered if if it could be that he's wanting forgiveness for you know not being the father he I say could have been, but should have been at the same time. He should have been a you know, that was on him.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

So how do you think him moving a rabbit? I mean, and I realize that there's only, you know, a small amount of ways that you could communicate with somebody from the other side, but what do you think is his motive there? Do you think just to let him I'm sorry, let you know he's thinking about you, or how do you think he could reach you that way?

SPEAKER_02 25:32

I think that's the only thing I that's the only theory I can come up with was he wanted me to know he's he's around, if that makes sense. Um maybe watching over me. I don't know. Watching over you now when when he didn't think when he didn't before or or didn't care before. So maybe now he's like, you know, she's more open to things. You know, I think as we get older we start to see things differently. Oh yeah, and we mellow too. Yes, and I think he's more like, you know, maybe um maybe she's now she's more willing to um see that I'm I am watching over her, you know, from a different way. Or, you know, maybe my mom got to where they are and just ripped into him. She's like, You need to go talk to your daughter.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

She's like, Do you know what I dealt with? You need to go fix this. And he was probably like, oh, not up here, you know. So maybe he's like, you know, okay, okay, let me get it, you know, and I'll go knock over the rabbit.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Jeez, let me hit the rabbit. It's right by the door, you know. It's just weird because there's there's no explanation, but for myself and my beliefs, I I know it's okay. And I do, I think you'll never not tell me it wasn't him only because I could sense him, but I could smell him.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Yeah, I think that the smell is is really the defining point.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

It's funny because the day that that happened, I closed my eyes and I could see him with that smell. And I was like, it's my dad. Have you ever done that before? No, like been able to visualize him like that. No, I never have. It's because that could have been a like a gift, yeah. To be able to see him, you know, and and in my mind when I visualized him, he looked peaceful, if that makes sense. Do you feel like this has softened you towards him a little? I think it's yeah, I think it's more of you know, you just have to let it go because he's not here anymore. So why dwell on it? You know, he made his choices, he had to live with his choices, and now, you know, you just have to let it go in a sense. But I do it's nice knowing, having the feeling that maybe he is checking in. So, you know, that and maybe that gives him some comfort as well wherever he is on the other side. Maybe that gives him some comfort to know that it's like it's okay, it's over and it's done with, and um I'm fine, you know, like we all turn out fine.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

Yeah. And that's not the only smell experience you've had though, because I mean, you you've been up here three years, almost four years.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Almost five. It'll be five this year.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Oh gosh. Okay. So that's right. But you went up to that cemetery and you smelled the perfume in the cemetery.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

And so we're or my grandpa. Or you, yeah, you smelled your grandpa at the cabin. At the cabin, I you could smell him. He just because I don't know that I've had that experience. Maybe I have, but you know, sometimes I wonder if we experience things and we don't realize that it's not just our life, you know, that that we're maybe crossing the veils thin, or that we're sensing something. You know, we're just like, oh, you know, this is just life. I this is just my mortal experience. I I'm smelling the smell. It's normal, it's natural when it's really something else. Right. And we don't realize we're having an experience.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

I can I can see that. And it's like, you know, like with you and your mom, where she said, you know, I'm gonna come visit you guys all the time. And maybe she does, but you guys just don't, you know, like sometimes I wonder if they watch over us when we sleep and we don't get that feeling, or you know, I've asked my sisters, have you have you ever felt mom?

SPEAKER_01 29:10

And all three of them were like, no. And I will say that one time that I this is the only experience I've had, and like I said, my mom's almost been gone. Um oh, she has been gone six years. Sorry, it'll be seven years this year. So I remember I was having surgery, and um, I was in the waiting room, or not, I'm sorry, um, the pre-op room, I guess, before they wheel you back. And I was in there alone, and um just they had the rooms divided up into curtains, and I was in my own little curtained room, and it was very, very quiet. And not even a full second, it was a split second, I felt my mom. And so I feel like she knew I was there, and maybe that was just either her way or God's way of saying, we're aware that you're about to go have surgery, right? But that's literally the only time I have ever felt it. How interesting.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Did it give you comfort going into that surgery?

SPEAKER_01 30:10

It did, yeah, and but it was, I mean, it was a flash in the pan. It was so fast. I can't, I don't know if it would even register on a clock. It was just like, you know, uh just a flash in my mind. Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:24

So and see, and sometimes I think because I'm such a believer, um maybe that's why I see things so much, or maybe I'm just a dreamer and I'm like, oh look at Caterpillar, it's my grandma.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Or Hido and Well, you know, and they say in in when I go to church, you know, they say when you have a blessing, or you know, the more you work on it, or the more the more talents you have, the more you work on it, the more you're gonna get, or the more um revelation or whatever, you know, the more you're gonna get. And then the more you deny something or don't work on something or hide something, the less you're gonna get, right? And so maybe that's true. Maybe because I don't think I explained that very well, but because you are open, your your experiences multiply. Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

I do think I I do think you I don't know how to explain this. Um you have to be open to a degree. Yeah. Because if you're not, then you're gonna miss out on a lot.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

You'll explain everything away, right?

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Even if you did see something. That's exactly. I feel like there's people that see things and they don't want to admit in a sense what they saw, so they find ways to explain that it wasn't real or that couldn't have happened. Whereas I'm more like that makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

I I see it, I feel it. And you know, and I think um we all have different relationships with our loved ones that are on the other side. And I think I used to believe that they would always find ways with stuff that they knew we liked in order to show us that they were there, but I don't think that anymore. I think when they're there, we feel it, or like with the rabbit, you know, being moved. I think that was my dad's way of trying to get my attention because perhaps he's been trying to show me other ways, but I'm just like, oh dismissive. Yeah, dismissive about what it was.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

I will say another thing that maybe I could explain it better as a spiritual experience than like a paranormal experience, but going back to my mom when my mom died, it was before the funeral, it was in that period between when they die and you're planning the funeral and and you're going to bury them. And I remember I was in the shower, and um you know, I was I was pretty upset and devastated, and and I was in the shower, and all of a sudden I just had the most overwhelming, comforting feeling. And I th I uh it was it was almost tangible. Wow. It was and I wasn't looking for it. I wasn't it just it just happened, and I know for a fact that that was um people praying for for me and my family, right? And I I know that because that that thought came into my mind. This you know, and I it was it was just overwhelming, it was amazing, and I've never had an experience like that before in my life, and I I know that that was um you know spiritual, right? That was a gift.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

I think that's awesome. I don't I've never had like a feeling like that before either. So I think that's awesome that you've been able to experience that and yeah, I just know that that's what it was.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

I think God looks out for us, you know, right. Um yeah, it was a good experience in in the middle of a hard experience.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Yeah, that's yeah, that's a really good way to say it. Write that down. We are gonna get that um, you know, what's it called? Uh trademarked or not trademarked, but no, but I feel like if if more people are just a little bit more willing to open that door or believe, they they might get a lot more comfort out of life.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

And you know what's funny is I think this stuff exists whether you want to believe it or not, without doubt, you know? Yeah, it's like just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean it's not true.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Well, and I think for me, you go back and you you hear all these stories that even like you know, the pioneers and the stuff they believed and and and stuff, and it it's perfect that like you said, whether you want to believe it or see it or not, it's happening. Yep. And it's your choice to to do with it, to experience it how you want to allow yourself to experience it.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Well, I we're we're close to wrapping this one up, but while we were on the topic of your house you're living in now and the rabbit, have you had anything else happen here? Well, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Oh, I this this one's kind of hard because it's it's almost like a scary thing, but I was asleep one night and my niece had left a pillow out that she had made a fort with that I had forgot to put away. And I was asleep one night, and I thought I dreamt this at first, but the more I thought about it, I don't think it was a dream. I was sleeping so good, and I felt like I would just have been smacked in the face with this pillow, you know, and it woke me up and I was like, what the heck? Who just hit me with this pillow? And then at first I thought, oh my gosh, I must have dreamt it. But then I went back to sleep, and the next day when I got up, I just I had this overwhelming feeling that it was not a dream. And it did happen. Could you see the pillow like across the room? Or no, the pillow was um it was it was laying on, it was laying by the floor, but it wasn't like before when she left, I remembered it being lengthwise, but then the pillow seemed like it was flat wise or uh oh, what's the word? Like the the the direction of the pillow had changed.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

Was it and had it been far away from you?

SPEAKER_02 36:35

Yeah, I mean it was far away from me, like but it hit you in the face, yes. Like I thought I I thought I dreamt it and went, but but that's what was weird. It woke me up like a you know, like a face.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

And I was like, So was it was the cat standing there looking at you with a grin?

SPEAKER_03 36:50

Like, yeah, the cat's like, yeah, I got you good. Yeah, you think you're gonna sleep good.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

But I I and like I said, now I just I have this overwhelming feeling, and I had it when I woke the minute I woke up that that actually happened. Yeah, it it really happened. Something hit me in the face that night with that pillow. It's crazy, you know. And then um, I have other things about what's happened here and them next time.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Or yeah, do you wanna do you wanna save them for the next one?

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Yeah, let's save for the next thing because okay, yeah. I got a lot of a lot of things to share.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

We do, we have a lot of stories.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

We'll wrap that one up. Um and we'll see you next time. Happy, happy haunting. Yeah, happy haunting, happy believing. Yeah, let those spirits in. Okay, we'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

See ya.