Episode 1.4 "Ghosts, Graveyards, & Growing up in the 80s"

What starts as memories of late night cemetery drives and ghost hunts turns into a conversation about strange photographs, unexplained voices, haunted houses, ghostly encounters and the idea that maybe the veil between worlds is thinner than we realize. 

They revisit a trip to a downtown cemetery where a simple photograph taken in the backseat of the car captured something unsettling. 

From there, they dive into experiences in childhood homes including phantom footsteps, garage doors opening with no one there, and an eerie night filled with disembodied voices that sounded like a crowded party happening in complete darkness.   They also talk about paranormal experiences at work, strange dreams that felt prophetic and whether some people are simply more open to the supernatural than others. 

This episode is equal parts creepy, nostalgic, and personal - ghost stories with a side of friendship and chaos. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Hey, that's a good way to start it out with a little stumble growl.

SPEAKER_04 0:38

Well, hello, we're back. And I would like to say that it is January. It's about 30 degrees outside. But inside Tina's house, it's a balmy 64 degrees.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

It's a cool 62 until Suzanne came out.

SPEAKER_04 0:56

And she's sitting here in shorts and a t-shirt. It's always summer in Tina's world. I, on the other hand, am in a hoodie, jeans, Doc Martin's, and I'm wrapped up in a blanket. And socks. Oh, and socks. I don't even have shoes on. No, she has nothing on. No shoes. She's like, she's like on a beach.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Yeah. Like if you weren't here, it'd be a tank top, man. Oh my gosh, she'd probably be naked. You know it. Like, with no one here. Is it a cool 62? Like I'm nervous. Now, how long is it gonna? Because I bumped the heater up for her. She warmed it up to like 65. I think it's at 70. It's not. You better look. 68. 68. Do you want me to put it to 70? I will. Okay. No, no, no. All I know is it's probably gonna take 14 days for this house to cool back down. Oh my gosh, I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:45

You'll you really will have to walk around naked and you live in a small town.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Well, you know what? With the blinds open. This is true. You I am the type of person that the second you wake up in the morning, those blinds have to be open. I cannot stand. I can't let like my dad was a cave dweller. I can't.

SPEAKER_04 2:03

I do the same thing. Like I will go downstairs and and my husband will be sitting there, and I'm like, why do you want to live like a mole person? Right. Let's open the blinds and let in the sunlight.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

And you get the most gorgeous sunrises sometimes. And more so in the summer, I still open them before it's completely light. I'm expecting to open them one day and have Bigfoot standing outside my window like that.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

Well, I hope you're naked that day.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Hey, it might be like, oh, come on out, later. I'll be like, hey, sassy.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Get in here with you very soon. You get on in here. You think you're gonna walk away? Hey, you get in here. Let's brush that hair. And he's gonna be like, uh, oh I gotta get back to my cave. Come with me.

SPEAKER_04 2:50

Yeah, and he'll drag you by your hair.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

Hey, that's okay. Oh, that's true.

unknown 2:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Maybe we can get on a bike.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Because you know that's what he rode out of the woods in. It was his bike. It was a twin. It was a 1984 twin. That's how you say it. It wasn't a 10 speed. I wanted two dollars. Two dollars. Best movie ever.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Two dollars. Anywho, you can see we get going on these rants.

SPEAKER_04 3:20

So in our last episode, we were talking about cemeteries, and it reminded me of another one of our trips, and we went down to the cemetery downtown.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

The scary one.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

And we couldn't go in. There's signs everywhere. And I think there were little gates. Aren't there gates? Yeah, they lock it at night at I think. At like 10 o'clock or something. Yeah. Also because there's kids that go in there all the time. Because there's so many uh old wise tales about right. But there's urban legends about that cemetery.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

And and I've heard, I don't know if it's true or not, but I've heard that some of the security people stay up in the trees at night just to try to catch you. Yeah, just to try to catch people sneaking in the cemetery.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

Well, I remember, well, I will say on one of our trips down there, what this was this was 20 years ago, right? This was before um before cell phone cameras were were the norm. Yeah. And you had your regular camera. And so and I don't even know if I was with you guys on this one, but um I saw the picture. Yeah. So whether I was there or not, because my memory is faulty. But driving down to the cemetery. I want to say you were there. And I think I might have been-I think it was the normal six. Okay, well, plus one, because the person that we're never come before and was like, I'm going the next time you guys go. So we head downtown to this cemetery and up in the avenues. If that probably gives you a little hint where we live. But um, so Tina turns around and takes a picture.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Because it was this person and another person in the very back of the car.

SPEAKER_04 5:06

Yep, and so she gets a picture and and was it a digital camera or did you develop films?

SPEAKER_02 5:11

No, it was a digital camera, but I had loaded all the pictures on my computer. Yeah, so I had printed them all off.

SPEAKER_04 5:18

Okay, so when you printed this picture, one of our friends looked completely normal. The other friend's face was so distorted and it looked like a demon's face was superimposed over her face.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

It was like this older, like ancient demon that had was over her face. It was the creepy, like I threw that picture away immediately. Yeah, it was freaky. It was like who really was in the back seat because our like I said, like you said, our other friend's face was completely, totally normal.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

And then this other friend, I'm like, Yeah, and you're just like, hey, smile, here's I'm taking a picture.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

Yeah, I just I remember thinking it was like a mixture of an old tribal man and demon and uh mythical creep. It was like I can't explain it, but it was creepy and gave me the most uneasy feelings ever. And then when I saw this friend again, I was like, Did you ever tell her no? Yeah, because she wouldn't like she wouldn't have been able to handle that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I bet it was for a good several months when it was like oh my gosh, how do I see her now without that scary face? Yes, like it was just so morphed and and not to go back on it, but it was so creepy that our one friend totally normal, like totally normal, everything. And then our other friend just and it's not like she moved her head or anything when I took the picture because they were both looking forward, but this demon, this creature was over her face. Yeah, and then I I I think about do you remember years ago when Flo was telling us how she went and did that past life regression thing and she sat in front of the mirror, yeah, and she saw all the different her past lives with what you believe. She saw scary faces, and there was that old, like um Chinese military type guy. And I think my mom had done this, she was probably in her 20s or 30s. That tells you how long ago she did this past life regression. But I remember my mom would always tell me how that scared her so bad. But I remember showing her this picture, and she was like, that's scary because that's what I feel I saw looking in the mirror that day. Yeah, was just someone that wasn't me, completely not me at all. So I wonder, just like something else was in the band. I think to this day, because we were by the cemetery, I think something else was in the car with us that day. I really do.

SPEAKER_04 8:06

Well, and did you want to hear the scariest story ever?

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 8:09

So that same night, I think when we were driving by the cemetery, we're driving, and we couldn't get in, but we were driving alongside, and I saw um a ghost walking in the cemetery. And then I saw the ghost that had a dog. And then we got closer and I realized it wasn't a ghost, it was a man walking his dog in the cemetery. But we were all you psych yourself out so bad that you think that it's something else, and you're like, ugh, and then you're like, oh no, that's just that's just real life.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

I think it's because we go out looking for so much fun or to look to find, you know, these things that when you see that, because I remember being in the car through that night, it was like, oh my god, I'm I and the the dog, I'm like, well, you know, it wait, I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_04 9:03

It was a little deflating that it was just a guy.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Yeah. But do you know what else I think was funny about that same night was when you and another friend of ours decided to switch seats. And I can't remember if you had already had your daughter or if you were pregnant at the time. I don't think it was either. I mean, it was just before. Okay. I just remember you had to pee so bad. And then you and the said friend decided to switch seats because you didn't want to be in the front anymore. And you both get out of the car, you go around the front, she goes around the back, and all I hear is bloody murder. We ran into each other, and then you were like, I need a bathroom now. So we're trying driving through these avenues, trying to find a bathroom. I think we found a smith.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:52

And it was just like, and I'm still laughing hysterically. And you're like, please stop, I've got to pee. I have to pee. Oh, she scared me so my gosh, that was the best.

SPEAKER_04 10:01

I mean, we probably woke up all the people in bleak.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

We probably woke up bloody murdered half the people in the cemetery, too. They're like, what is going on out there? The guy with his dog was like, Hey, hey, I'm just trying to walk my dog. You guys keep it down over there.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

But it was such a fun night. Like, you know, like you had that it turned out to be a real person and his dog. And then that night was kind of a bust. Oh, it wasn't fun.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Until you looked at your pictures.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Yes. That's what was crazy. I you know, and like I said, I I printed the pictures up, I threw it away because it you saw it. Yeah, you did, and my and Flo saw it, and I just it scared me so bad. I didn't ever want to see whatever that was again.

SPEAKER_04 10:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

You you know, to this day, you can't tell me that it wasn't what we saw because our other friend was totally normal, completely normal.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

Yeah, and it was it was too, I mean, you know, you there are pictures that you you see a double exposure or a light or a a piece of dust or something, but this was a digital camera. Yeah, right. And and it was just it was just over her face. And it was a it was a face.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

That's what was weird. Yeah. Sometimes I've looked back and I thought maybe it was one of her past life regressions or well, I shouldn't say orbit. Then I think no, because I feel like after I saw that, I f it was someone, like someone else was in the car with us. I think so too. Yeah, it was just unexplainable.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

So but that's what happens. Well, and we were talking about you know, the houses that we grew up in and and experiences we had as kids, and um I will say in the house I grew up in, I had a couple of experiences, and they weren't bad feelings. I think sometimes the veil is just thin, right? Right, and and maybe we're kind of um almost touching the other side, and and we can sense them and they can sense us, and um, I will say so in the house I grew up in, each there, so I my my parents and then I had three sisters, so there were six of us, and every single one of us had this same experience at different times when we were alone in the house. So what it was was we we lived in a rambler uh with a finished basement, and one of us would be in the basement, and nobody else would be home, right? And then um you would hear the garage, the man door from the garage into the house, into the laundry room, open and then close, and then you would hear footsteps walk from the laundry room into the kitchen, and you'd be like, Oh, mom's home. I'm gonna go help unload the groceries, or oh, dad's home from work, I'll go say hi.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Right.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

You go upstairs, there's nobody there. Oh, that's and I would and this this happened repeatedly, and not just to me, it happened to every single one of us. We all heard this at one time or another, and I don't know what I don't know why we all had the same experience, why we heard the same thing over and over and over. Who it was, I don't know. It was like maybe like we were talking about a couple of episodes ago, where it's like, hey, I'm here, notice me. This is the way I know to get your attention. Right.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

Uh I don't know how else to not get your attention.

SPEAKER_04 13:41

Yeah, and but the fact that it was the garage door opening and closing, and then footsteps walking into the kitchen, and then it just ended. But it happened all the time, and all of us heard it. Even your mom and dad. Oh, that's so cool. And then I would say the other experience I had in this house, um, and this one nobody else experienced this one but me. And this is actually kind of a cool experience, but it it unnerved me at the same time. But I remember I think I was about 16 or 17, and it was one of those nights where you're all sitting around talking and laughing and and enjoying each other's company and having a good time. And um, it was it was about 10:30, 11 at night, and we're winding down. It was a school night, and so we we were like, well, you know, let's wrap this up, it's time to go to bed. So my bedroom was in the basement, and um and my so my my uh my parents went to bed, I went to bed, um I'm like that was a fun night. I get down to my room, and everybody starts talking again, and I was like, I want to go talk some more. Why they said they were going to bed. I want to go back up. So I'm I uh I open my bedroom door and it's pitch black. And I but I hear them all talking upstairs, and it's kind of like a party sound or a restaurant, you know, when you hear it is like kind of muffled, you can't pick out words, but you hear people talking and laughing. So I don't know what possessed me, but I walked to the stairs and like the stairs to go up to go upstairs because I'm in the basement, and the the stairs lead right into the kitchen and the living room where we were, and I so I get to the stairs and and I they're still talking. I get halfway up the stairs, it's pitch black, even upstairs? Yeah, everybody was in bed, but there's there's all these voices, and I get halfway up the stairs, the voices stop. And it's just dead silent. And I was like, oh no, I'm not. Did you say anything like nope? Nope. And so I turned around and I'm like, I I'm not dealing with this tonight. And I went back downstairs and I went to my room, and as I got to my room, the voices started again. And and uh I would have been, I would have been like, Yeah, it was like it was like a party, you know what I mean? And everybody talking, and and I was like, Nope. So, and I shut my bedroom door and went to bed. And the next morning I said to everybody, Did you guys hear that? And I told them what happened, and they were like, No, we all went to bed. We didn't hear that. Oh gosh, but sometimes, and I remember talking to my mom about it, and I said, Or I'm sorry, she said to me, Do you know, do you think maybe it was the other side? And they heard you coming up the stairs, and they were like, Do you hear that? Oh, how interesting. And then when I turned around and went back down, and then they started back up. But yeah, it was just one of those nights where I feel like the veil was really thin, and whoever was whoever's existence or plane is superimposed over ours, you know, in that other in that other plane, I I feel like it was just really thin, and I heard them, and maybe they heard me.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Right. Do you wonder if when you guys were all originally talking, were they there talking too in their own, like you, you and your family were having a conversation and then these other people were having their own conversation and then or what if I was what if I was hearing us like replayed? Oh what if how weird would that be?

SPEAKER_04 17:49

Yeah. What if what if it was like a time space distortion? Oh my gosh, I would love that. I don't know. Could it be it was a it was a really looking back on it, it it it unnerved me at the time, but it was a really cool experience.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

Right.

SPEAKER_04 18:03

And it happened.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

And could you tell what they were saying? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 18:07

Just the voices, but it was it sounded like people talking and having fun and laughing, right? And but I couldn't pick out any words. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

You said it was kind of like muffled a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 18:17

That's right. You know, like if you if you're watching a show or you're in a restaurant, you just hear that kind of that that clanking and clatter and muffled voices, and that's what it sounded like.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Maybe they had been coming into your house a lot at night through the kitchen, you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

And yeah, I don't know what I just I really do think that it was just the veil was really thin. I think that's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

Because I think sometimes, you know, what I would give to be able to sit and listen to my mom and her aunt Nell just have their conversations that they always had when they were here.

SPEAKER_04 18:53

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

How cool would that be to be able to see them on the other side or hear them, I mean, having that conversation.

SPEAKER_04 19:00

I hope when we die that we can go anywhere in space and time, and we can go back and see things happen. We could go back to you know, 2,000 years ago, or we could go back and we we could be like, oh, who shot JFK? Right. Or we can you know what I mean? Like the mysteries of the of the world. Like we can know everything and we can see everything and we can, you know, we can go see something before it was torn down, or go to a waterfall, or go, you know what I mean? Just to be able to see it. I hope, I hope that when we die we get to see that.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

I think it would be amazing to be able to go back to the early 80s when I grew up and see myself and my friends like riding our bikes up and down the street, playing Charlie's Angels and then Ponch and John and Don't get me going on your own. No, it is not Punch and John. It has always been John. I remember throwing my bike in the curb of the street and me rolling on the grass. Go get go get John go get.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

I was busy being married to Punch in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

You have Punch in your bathroom because I've got John out on the street. He's protecting and serving like all policemen do, like all chips. California Highway Patrol.

SPEAKER_04 20:20

Yeah, well, what they should have done was come and arrested you for setting up rocks in the street.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Hey now, that's for a whole other topic. I didn't put a doll in a tree. That was you. We're talking to uh a juvenile delinquent right here. Hey, listen, I had the best childhood ever. I don't care what anybody says, and I know we're all different, but growing up in the 80s was the best blessing, the most amazing experience. I mean, I got to live through purple or prints and Madonna Depeche Mode, Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

It was before social media, it was before cell phones. We got to just be out playing.

SPEAKER_02 20:59

We got to ride our bikes all night long until you got the first call to come in, the second call to come in, and then you knew by that third call and the porch lights blinking. You knew if you didn't get in the house.

SPEAKER_04 21:10

We were out playing Ghost in the Graveyard and Kit the Can. Hide and Seek.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Oh, yes, hide and seek. Yeah. It's just it's that to me, when you say you would like if when we die we can go back, I would go back and I would watch that because I I look at it now and I miss it so much. And you know when they say you don't realize you're living the good times when you're living them? That's how I view that time. It was the best time ever. Going to 7-Eleven and getting penny candy or uh, I'm sorry, prank calling people. You know, just it was the best time ever. And every time I think about it, I think how lucky and how blessed was I that I got to grow up during the 80s.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

Do you think we look at it with rose colored glasses, though? Like if you were to go back and watch it and you'd be like, oh my gosh, this is so illuminated. I love my cell phone.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

Oh, 100%. Like I do feel like, you know, I remember school reports and having to go to the library. Who wanted to go to the library? And like kids now, they can just online and I'll just pick up on a typewriter. I had to take type in high school and barely passed. You know, I don't even think they offer type anymore.

SPEAKER_04 22:22

Or like no, I think they do. They do keyboarding, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

Oh, well, and remember how they you could take shorthand if you wanted. Oh, yeah, that doesn't exist. No! But I think that's like Mad Men, yeah. I guess, you know, it is kind of rose-colored glasses, but it's it's something I would love to go back and watch. I would yeah, I would love to watch myself just enjoying myself all summer long, just having the best time ever, and the cutest clothes, and I don't know. It is looking at it with rose-colored glasses.

SPEAKER_04 22:54

Well, and to bring you crashing down to you know, soul crushing reality. Why bring me back? Like, I want you to tell me about, you know, you're in the workforce now. Tell me about the ghosts at your clinic when you were at work.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

Okay, let me, I gotta tell you a funny story really fast about the clinics. So um, there were so many weird things that went on in the clinic to begin with. But I remember one time I come, I would get to work early enough that I would turn the alarm off in our building. I get to work one day and the security guard's outside in the parking lot, and he goes, Hey, just want to let you know, alarm was going off all night. We did a walkthrough, alarm going off all night. They did a walkthrough, meaning one-time walkthrough. Protect and survive. Yeah, good luck. Don't know what's in there, but hey, best of luck to you. We walked through. Yeah, so of course, you know, this was a two-story building, so I had to, you know, go to both floors to get all of my work for the day. And that just freaked me out so bad. And then one time I've gone into work, turn the alarm off. Well, the alarm's already off. And I'm like, why is the alarm off? Why isn't security here to tell me why the alarm isn't off? You know, so I'm thinking, what the heck? So I I get all my stuff together, I go down to the to the bottom floor, I'm getting encounter forms, and all of a sudden I hear this door open, and I'm like, what? And I turn around and here's this lady stretching. Good morning. Good morning, because I'm like, yeah. And then here comes her daughter. And I'm like, hi. And she's like, Oh, you get to work early. Keep in mind, I was always to work by like 4:50, yeah, 5 a.m. I'm like, uh, yeah. She's like, oh, well, so-and-so said we could just spend the night in the building because we didn't have anywhere to sleep last night. And I'm like, uh, and who is so-and-so? Did they really give him permission? Yeah, apparently what happened was one of the security guards was helping out a friend who had left her abusive spouse, and she didn't have anywhere to sleep that night for her and her daughter. And so he just let them sleep and build it.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

I'm sure the company you worked for would love.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Oh, they were not happy. Let me just say that. But just the mere fact that she was just like, Good morning. As my heart is now on the floor, I can't walk, I can't move. I'm like, what just happened?

SPEAKER_04 25:48

Well, and it wouldn't be so bad if you hadn't had like paranormal experiences.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Right. I remember sitting at work one day, and I had um like you know, I was always alone in the building for about two, two and a half hours before other people started coming in. And I remember sitting there one day and I could hear doors shutting. And I'd go out, I walk all around, cannot find anyone in the building, or sitting there at my desk and hearing music, but there's no one around. You know, and in this building, it was kind of nice because the doors to the lobby were locked, and then where the front desk was, there was a door, but that door was always locked too, so nobody could get back without access, or sitting there one day with one of our friends who worked there too, and she hears hi and turns around, and there's no one there. No one like and she had goosebumps everywhere, and she's like, You didn't hear that, you didn't see anyone. I'm like, no, because she was right outside my office. Yeah, I'm like, no. She's like, I literally heard someone like right by my ear.

unknown 27:01

Hi.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

And that's the hallway where you would hear people walking or doors.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

Where I would hear people and that was new construction, very, yeah, yep. It was um it was built almost 10 years ago. Yeah, and then we would get brand new, brand new. Or I remember another time going in and I could hear all these noises again. And this time I went to walk around and I found one of our doctors asleep in the clinic, and he's like, Oh, I I don't sleep well at night, so I came in to do a bunch of notes. Guess I dozed off. I'm like, guessed, well, my heart's on the floor yet again, you know. But it's weird being in a clinic, like stumbling upon these two people that apparently had been there, and yet uh I can hear noises, I can hear music, and then you could hear people like walking at the same time too, but there was no one in the clinic, and it's just the craziest it's the craziest thing ever, you know. And I feel like some people were like, Oh, you do it to yourself because you know that you're here. That's not true that I know I'm there alone because why is it if that's the case, then why isn't it happening every single day?

SPEAKER_04 28:15

Yeah, and you know, a door shutting is not your imagination. Or I I think I remember you telling me the toilet would flush in the bathroom by and I wonder sometimes if you could explain that away, but I that's just odd. I mean that motion sensor toilet.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

Oh, that those ones weren't. Oh, they weren't? No, no, they were the handle flush. That makes it worse. No, they they were not the motion sensors. That's way worse. That's even crazier because I'd be sitting there and the like the the one bathroom was out my office and then maybe just two doors down right there. And or there was one that was out and then further down, but I'd hear them just and then, of course, you know me, I stick my head out my office because I'm like, Oh no, who's here? Yeah, and there's no one, no one there. I would shut my office door and it blared my music. There was one time, I don't know if I ever told you this story ever. I'd had a bad dream that I was sitting at my desk, and my desk, I had it positioned in the corner of the room where my back was to the door. And in my dream, I turned around and this man lunged at me. This was just in my dream. Right. And I bet you for a good two to three weeks after that dream, I did. I shut the door and I locked it, and then I set a timer on my phone so I would know when it was, you know, close to 7:15, 7:30 when other people came in. Yeah, and then I would get up and open it. Were you afraid it would come true? Yeah, I thought it was. I I was worried. I was like, was this a premonition?

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Have you ever had a dream? Have you ever had like a warning or a dream come true?

SPEAKER_02 29:54

Well, do you want to go down that road? Remember my airplane dreams? You the this is true, but I yeah. Because I had those dreams.

SPEAKER_04 30:05

I feel like those are your stress dreams.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

But but no, but remember because I had the dreams about the three airplanes at 1111, yeah, and then 9-11, and then the planes had the number 11 in them. Yeah, I still think those dreams, because I had them for almost a full year before 9-11 happened. I still think somewhere in my mind, because it didn't, I didn't even put two and two together at the time. It was my friend Melanie at work that came to me one day and said, Okay, this is weird. Remember, you had those dreams about those three planes crashing. And you said you were waking up at 1111, because I was. And then I'm like, oh my gosh. And the twin towers look like an eleven. Yes, so to see to this day, I still think there was some part of my mind that knew something was coming. But then I've had other dreams too that are like that with planes crashing and something happens. But then I have times too where I had these dreams about the planes crashing and nothing happens, right? You know, um, and I do think like a lot of the dreams I've had lately that I've told you about, I think they're just more um worrisome of the world dreams, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 31:18

Yeah, I I feel like the climate we're living in right now is horrific.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Yeah, and I think those dreams that I'm having now are due to that instead of maybe something big that's coming.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

I've always told you you have the shiny.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

I I I mean I I I feel like I do because I I don't know, sometimes I get senses that something's coming and then it does.

SPEAKER_04 31:45

Or, you know, um and me, I'm more Pollyanna. You know what I mean? I'm like super optimistic, everything's gonna go right. I like don't let myself see anything bad happening.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Right. And maybe that's my problem is I'm like, what is out here? What is going on, you know? Like, um it I think I my eyes are always like what's coming, what's going on? I and like I feel like um because a lot of the paranormal stuff that I've seen or experienced, I'm more open to thinking um this situation isn't right, or I literally can feel heavy, like something is coming or something's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04 32:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

And then it generally does. So I whenever I get that feeling, I'm like, oh, I think you you have a gift.

SPEAKER_04 32:39

And it's like we were talking about before, where if you talk about like not acknowledging it or not letting it in, maybe that's me being like, oh no, everything's fine, everything's good.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

Oh no, no, no, no, no, of course not.

SPEAKER_04 32:53

This is never everything's great, right? I'm not letting it in. I'm like, nope, I'm gonna wish it away. Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

And that's what I think makes you feel better or helps you. Whereas me, I'm like, I knew it.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

I knew it. I called it. Oh help me. I I get on the news. So this is how you spell my name, that's gonna be a T and a Nine and N and an A.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

And uh, I want you to get this face because I called it. I called it, ma'am. You know that's not a good thing. I don't care. I don't care if it's good or not. I called it I want the recognition. Uh, these are freckles I've had forever. You know, I mean, it's just it's it's again, it goes back into what you want to open yourself to, what you want to believe, what you feel you need to believe because it is real. It is so real. It is real. 100%. I will tear down a tree if someone wants to argue with me over it. Bothered.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

It's a really random way to prove something to someone, but hey, you do you. I'm trying to tear down a tree. It would probably be like a quickie aspen that's just barely starting to grow.

SPEAKER_04 34:04

And I'm like maybe maybe your squatch friend will come down on his twin and help you with.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

He'll be like, I heard the call.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

Knock knock. Oh yeah, you gotta do the wood knocks, and then you gotta do the oo whoop, you gotta do the whoops.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

That's a whole another episode.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 34:26

All right, well, I think that about wraps this one up. So thanks for going on this journey with us.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

As always, thanks for listening. Have a fabulous rest of your night or day. Yeah, we'll see ya.