May The Facts Be With You

On today’s episode I am diving deep into the universe of Sci Fi entertainment and FORCING you to listen to what I have to say. Rather than Chewbacca, my partner in podcasting is the host of “The Limitless Table Talk Podcast” Fern Arias. We’re gonna talk about why we love Star Wars so much, and how it still gravitates audiences almost 50 years from its original release. Sit back and listen in to some behind the scenes facts and a good dose of nostalgia. Chatterbox is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, and YouTube at @Chatterbox-94. Don’t forget to check us out on IG @atkmedia_ and tune in to Fern’s podcast “Limitless Table Talk”. #chatterbox #starwars #podcasts #scifi #maytheforcebewithyou

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Acclaimed filmmaker George Lucas once said, A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing. Well, I think George knows a lot about special effects, seeing as he created a whole universe, literally. Um, today on my episode of Chatterbox, we are going to be talking about George Lucas' masterpiece, Star Wars. What's so great about it, fun facts along the way, uh, why the franchise continues to grow, exists, expand, how it's gone from movies to books, to comics, to a lot, a lot of uh TV shows. Frankly, too many, if you ask me. But that's just my opinion being a Star Wars nerd. So sit back, relax, let's get started. Hey folks, how y'all doing? I'm Al Tessier. Welcome to an ep another episode of Chad Brax. Joining me is fellow Star Wars nerd, uh, one who is very strong with the force. I don't know if he's on the light side, the dark side, uh, or if he is like uh Samuel L. Jackson who just happens to have a purple lightsaber that says motherfucker on it. Yes, that's a true fact. But he is one with the force, like myself, big time Star Wars nerd, host of the Limitless Table Talk podcast, Fern Arias. Fern, great to have you on the show.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Yeah. So, like we were, I was telling you right before, it's next year is 50 annivers 50 years since they made Star Wars and New Hope, which, yeah, it means we're getting old. And that says something coming from millennials.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Big time, big time. Actually, uh, that will be my anniversary as well. My my life on earth anniversary as well.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Oh my god. Crazy. It's it crazy is a gross it's rogue to fit the equation, to fit the tone. Yes, yes. So I I think here's the thing. I one thing I've noticed is that they keep trying to feed off more and more and more with Star Wars now. Even after the failure and like the Jenga Tower that is absolutely collapsed in front of their faces, there's not really anything more for them to do. But why do they do it?

SPEAKER_01 2:37

The property is good. And and the thing is, the universe is so expansive that they can tell stories about anything. You know, it it's it's uh it just think about having an open map where you have all these different worlds and you can consistently create new ideas, new characters, new things within this world. It doesn't always have to be Skywalker. Yeah, you know, of course. Um, even though the Skywalker concept is phenomenal and actually is what kind of like launched everything. Yes. Um, you know, they didn't have to go Skywalker again in these in these sequels, but uh but they did. They did because nostalgia, nostalgia bait, right? Everybody loves the classics. Uh, even Disney themselves is redoing the parks just for nostalgia bait because they're they're basically realizing like a lot of the characters that we had in the parks, people weren't attracted to. People don't like them. So we're gonna put back the original trilogy characters. We're gonna retrofit this entire galaxy's edge into the original trilogy characters, whether you like it or not.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Okay then.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Yeah, it's weird.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Well, well, a guy I worked, a guy I worked with on film project, he said nostalgia is one heck of a drug, and uh they really know how to get high off of it, especially those big uh Disney corporate moguls, but Disney is Disney, so what more to is there to be said? Yeah. Yeah, I mean they love it. I take it you are you are definitely far more of a bigger fan than I am, that's for sure, having shown me your uh uh exquisite uh collection of uh tattoos and stuff. I do. The real question is are you uh a master when it comes to trivia, facts, knowledge, and all the stuff that they do not disclose?

SPEAKER_01 4:35

Uh not uh, you know, it's funny because outside of the films and um 269 of the books and the video games, I don't really know much else. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've read about, you know, out of out of the 269 novels, I've probably read about 200 of them. Uh and a lot of them were really good. A lot of them were not. But you know, no, I guess it all just depends on what you're into. Yes, you know, um, you know, I I you can't you can't fault someone for not knowing everything, but uh they're always willing to learn. Especially me with uh, you know, a guy that has uh a little bit of body art.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Yes, yes. Well, I'm sure you're well aware that uh Harrison Ford did not like the did not like being Han Solo.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Yes, yes, that was one of his big things. You know, it's it's almost like he did the role just for George. Yes. Um, you know, because he because George kind of like discovered him and was like, hey man, let's put you in American graffiti. And he's like, I guess, you know. I mean, I'm making good money, I can maybe make good money.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

That's his response is like, okay, okay. That subtle, that, that subtle tone, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Yeah. I I still don't get why he didn't like it. Because I mean he wrote off his own death for Cripe's sake. And uh and that scene was actually very difficult to do. Uh it took, I think, 18 takes to get that scene done right.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Because when you see Adam Driver getting all emotional and stuff like that, that's not fake. That's not that's not cheating it. That's 100% real. Because Adam Driver, like myself, Han Solo, his favor is his favorite character. So when you're handed the script and it's like, what the uh I gotta kill my favorite character? Like, you you can't make me do this, George.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

And meanwhile, Harrison's like, please, please, just kill me as fast as possible. Just get this done so I can leave. You know, yeah. So I think I'm gonna go do another indie.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Yeah, correct. I don't get why I still don't, I'll still never fully understand why he's overly latched onto Indiana Jones, yet he uh for some reason or another has his his if his with uh with being Han Solo. I'm like uh it don't make sense. I mean, even Spielberg himself said straight out loud, he is Indiana Jones, and that's a fact. But at the same time, he's irreplaceable as Han Solo. There's nobody else to fill the void if he were to leave the equation.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Yeah, I mean, they tried making that solo film. Um I didn't see it. Which they actually did do it. Um storyline, it was it was good. Um it just wasn't it didn't feel right.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

It didn't have the magic.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Yeah, yeah. It's almost like can you just like uh AI his face onto, you know, what is it? What do they call it? Deep fake, deep fake his face onto the character, and let's just you know do what they do now.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Yeah, that's what they did with uh that's what they did with Rogue One uh for uh it's it's really an incredible uh piece of technology. Basically, what they do is they find maybe not really an actor, but body double who looks stunningly enough like the original actor who played so and so. And so they find somebody who looks just like Carrie Fisher, and then they just put like that kind of like special like CGI mask stuff on their face, and then doing what George Lucas actually does enjoy, which is the editing suite, that's what he loves the most. Um, you just like bring her back to life, like uh yeah, resurrect her from the dead.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

I mean, essentially, yeah, they did that with Moff Tarkin as well. Um and it's you know, it's it's a weird technology, but it um it really does enhance the things. I mean, they did a great job uh in The Mandalorian, uh, what was it, season two, with bringing in Luke Skywalker into the show, you know, and they did the same exact policy, like they did the same thing, like like they just basically shot all this stuff with this actor that had very similar facial features and uh body composition. And Mark Hamill did all the lines, yeah, you know, which is phenomenal.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

I mean, it's really interesting. I saw something really funny with Mark Hamill. They must he must have like begged the producers, what was it? He was in uh an episode of Flash where he played the villain and he said, I am your father. I'm like, how much money did he have? How much money did he have to have begged them to do that? That's probably something he's been waiting years to do.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

Yeah. No, super exciting. Um, you know, it's funny because he did that also in the uh Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back film, um, where he played uh I forgot the name of the character right now, but he did he did a very similar thing as well on that movie with the movie.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Because that's what he'll be forever remembered for, whether he likes it or not. I I think he's well aware of it now that he will always be Luke Skywalker. That's all he'll ever be remembered for, because that's the franchise that just gave him his career and made him who he is today, even now. It's interesting. Here's something you probably didn't know. So uh the whole I am your father. So when that was first put into play, only three people knew about it. Those people were George Lucas, obviously, the executive, and Mark Hamill. And George Lucas, like, literally gave it, gave the script to it to Mark Hamill, and Mark Hamill was like, Wait, I am your father? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 10:45

This is crazy talk.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

He was sworn to secrecy, he was sworn to absolute secrecy. Nobody else was allowed to uh to to know it under any circumstances. And when James L. Jones saw it, he thought it was a lie, he thought it was complete BS. He didn't believe it when he read the script. Because in the script, in the original script, it is Luke, I am your father. He was like, no, this is a lie. I I'm gonna play out this lie. That's why he says, No, I am your father.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

Right, right. And I still can't do it right. Look, it's the it gives me chills. It gives me just chills right now.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

I know. I've been trying to I've been trying to impersonate Darth Vader for my whole life, but I still can't do it.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Yeah, it's a it's a it's a difficult one, you know, the no I'm you know, yeah, it's it's so hard to uh that James Earl Jones uh flexion is just so perfect. No, he wasn't the original choice.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

No, no. No, uh it was uh Orson Wells. Orson Wells, yeah. But here's the thing about Orson Wells is that Orson Wells was very difficult to work with.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Yes, historically, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Yeah, so that's probably that's I don't know if he used drugs or if it was that he was a womanizing sex predator. He had a very interesting rep. Like, brilliant, but not the easiest guy to be around. And like women said that working with Hitchcock was like bliss compared to working with Orson Wells. So that really sets the tone because Hitchcock tells you everything. Because Hitchcock had his uh he had his ifs about him. And it's and what's even more interesting is that it took five people to make Darth Vader for Kripe's sake.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Yeah, yeah. Yes, yeah. I mean, you know, a lot of people are constantly saying, Oh, David Prouss. David, I mean, David Prouss was probably one of the best suited, I think, you know, um, because the suits changed in the three movies. Yes, in the three films, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Um, and I don't pay much attention to that either. That's another thing. No, no, no. Is that we just we just think of the one the one suit. We don't really pay close enough attention unless you really are a fan enough to want to soak it all in.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the eyes are different, the uh the mouth area is different, the the the riveting is different, you know, as well as like they added uh the chain in Empire. Yes. Um, you know, the breathing apparatus is different. I mean, everything is different. Everything, yeah. Every time you see him, he's a it's a different suit. And then when you get to the prequels and you see him in Revenge of the Sith at the at the end of Revenge of the Sith, it's a different suit as well. It doesn't even go with the new hope suit. No, that's not no consistency, no, yeah. No, because they were just like, let's just make a different suit. And and a lot of it had to do with George uh and his idea of selling toys.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Marketing.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Yeah. Marketing. He because he owned all the marketing for Lucasville, yeah. Uh, which was one of the best deals he ever made. He didn't make very much money on the movies, he made all his money on the marketing. Really? I did not know that. Yeah, yeah. Because he he actually lost percentages. Um, first of all, he but he barely made his money back originally on Star Wars. Damn. Um, and then because he made a deal with Spielberg. Yes. With Close Encounters. I'm sure I don't know if you've heard that story. Uh no, basically they traded, they traded uh percentage points on each film because you know, Lucas didn't think he was gonna make any money on Star Wars. Uh Spielberg didn't think he was gonna make any money on Closing Count Close Encounters. So they traded percentage points, and Spielberg made a fortune on Star Wars. Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

It's one of those Hollywood stories, one of Hollywood tales. I know, yes. Have you actually seen uh the uh footage of David Prouse doing the voice doing the lines?

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Yes, it's insane, insane.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

I I saw an interview with him that was done probably probably only a few short years before he died or something like that. And if they had like waited long enough, I guess, um during the whole scene where he's like, Luke, let me look upon you with my own eyes. Like that was pretty good. If he if he had just been 70 something years old, they could have like used David Prouse's face instead.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

I I I really don't get it. I mean, Sebastian Stan's a legend, but I feel almost like he kind of kills the vibe.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

He does.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

At the same time. I mean, it's no insult to his legacy, but I do feel like he he kills it right then and there. Like there's a huge twist. I mean, yeah, they were both British and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

As most of the actors were at at that in that production.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

I didn't know how I don't know how many of them were British. I do know for a fact that Carrie Fisher was doing cocaine when they were making one of the films.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

Yeah. That's how she got so thin for Jedi.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Really?

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

That's how she lost all the weight that she got too much.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Yeah, because she was body shamed a lot on Empire. Yeah. So they're like, you need to figure it out. You know, you're gonna wear this thing.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

And of course, this was before they had like your own personal trainer and a dietitian and somebody to keep you in physique shape. So and of course, it was the 80s, and everybody was doing blow back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

It was uh snowfall. Exactly. Yes, yeah. But it it um in total, it took five people to make Darth Vader. That's that's one of the ones that most people don't know. Um, like David Prouse, he's the body, James L. Jones, he's the voice, Sebastian Stan, he's the face. Then of course, you've got like uh I don't even know the stunt man who gets no credit, who got no credit whatsoever. He's not even remembered under any circumstances. What's even more interesting is this, and I I James L. Jones didn't take credit for being Darth Vader until the third film, until um uh Return of the Jedi.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Yep. Yep. He Yeah, he um he was fine. He was fine. He got paid, he went and he moved on.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Right. 7,000 bucks for two and a half hours of work. That's the that's the interesting thing. Like they uh he said that was a lot of money back then, like I'm sure it was uh compared to today's economy.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean now you gotta like, you know, what is it, 10, 14 times the amount of money that you made in 1980? Yeah. Is what it equivalent is what I'm like uh equates to today.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Yeah, I'm like seven thousand, but thinking about myself, I'm like, okay, you step into a recording booth for two and a half hours, you walk out, you get paid seven thousand bucks. I'm like, seven thousand bucks for two and a half hours worth of work. You know what? I'll take it. That's a deal breaker. I'll take it. Yeah, that's a deal breaker in my my book. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Yes, yeah. Yeah, I don't mind it. Um, you know, it's funny because I I I do voiceovers also. And uh once in a while, uh, you know, you get paid pretty well to do some of these voiceovers.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

I know. I'm still waiting on one where I'm supposed to get where I could get make 7,000 bucks for Cripe's sake. Yeah, yeah. Because me I can do a mesh. I can I like I've already shown Darth Vader and stuff like that. I've been trying so I can do Hannibal Electra, I can do um uh Dirty Harry, I can do uh The Joker from the Dark Knight very well, I might add. Yeah? Yes, yeah. Those are the ones that uh that first that people let's put it this way Do it. You seem nervous. Is it the scars? You wanna know how I got 'em? You see, my father, he was a drinker and a fiend. So one night he comes home, a little crazier than usual. Mummy grabs the Kabbatch knife to protect herself. She doesn't like that. Not one bit. So, with me watching, he takes it to her, laughing hysterically as he does it. Then he turns to me, sticks the blade in my mouth, and goes, Why so serious? Let's put a smile on that face. I've been doing that since I was in high school, since the moment the movie came out. Wow. Yes. That's insane. Uh even at my high school reunion, people are like, dude, you gotta give us that Joker impersonation. You gotta do that.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

It's funny, I have I have a Dark Knight uh uh theatrical poster right there as well. Big fan. I'm a big fan. Rest in peace, Eve Ledger. Oh man, he was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

Yeah, people never give him credit for uh Ten Things I Hate About You. Is that no? I love Ten Things I Hate About You. No, no, and the role killed him, and that's what people don't get. It's not the drugs or anything. People who know him closely, like Paul Bettany, still to this day denies all of the dark like bullshit and conspiracies. Like they all are like the role is what killed him. He got into deep. Because the thing is, so yeah, so okay, we're going off balance, but this it but in the world of filmmaking, everybody has their methodologies to becoming the character. Yes. Like you said with Carrie Fisher. Cocaine is what she used to make herself thin. Cocaine and not eating. It's fantastic. That's just that's a dad comedy. The 70s and the 80s were wild, man. I can imagine. Yeah, my yeah. Yes. But uh he um what he did, I guess, that uh would become the curse uh that would lead to his death, was he um because you're playing playing a psychopath is not easy. Any s every actor who has ever played a psychopath, except for Anthony Hopkins, has suffered consequences mentally.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Um what was it? Uh Malcolm McDowell, he went three days when he did Alex Delage and a clock record orange, he went three days straight, no sleep, and just had kind of like a bit of an emotional was having these this emotional exhaustion that he couldn't really control. It's not easy uh portraying ultraviolence all the time. Correct. Correct. A bit of the old ultraviolence. Yeah. Still um Bill Skarsgard uh had nightmares about being Pennywise the clown and ended up going to therapy.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Yep. Yep. So much so that he he almost declined doing Welcome to Dairy.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

I didn't know that. That part I did not know.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Yeah. I didn't know. But he was so into it, but at that point he was already so uh so far along in his you know, I guess in his treatment or whatever, that uh he was like, I'm good, I'm good, guys, I can do it.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Yeah, so at least he figured out how to cure himself quick enough.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

That's for sure. I think I think it was when he did the crow. He was like, Yeah, I'll take that Pettywise role again.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

Yeah, yes, because the crow is a cursed role, as many people know. It is, it is. Yes, yeah. Yeah, and um, no, because with Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal Lecter, what he does is so he's a Shakespearean actor, which basically means it's about becoming the character. The secret to it is he will take the script and he'll read it 365 times in a row so that he not only absorbs the lines, but he absorbs the character. By doing that, he's completely absorbed the character's personality, their motives, their train of thought, everything. And that allows him to transition in and out. One minute he can be as people just call him Tony. Like that's what he likes to be called. So one minute he's I I saw some behind-the-scenes footage of him. He broke character and did a Rocky Balboa impersonation when they were making the silence of the lambs. That's fascinating. That's how good he is. That's how good the methodology works. He can just like be lector, and then next minute, okay. All right, um, I'm Tony again, I'm me again. It's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

It's very different than um, like uh when you hear about Jim Carrey when he did Man on the Moon, that he basically was Andy Kaufman 24-7. Yeah, yeah. Like he would go to the trailer and he was still Andy Kaufman. Like they would have to refer to him as Andy in the yeah, it's really, really bizarre. I've never But that's how that's how deep he was in that character.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

I have never understood method acting. I I I'm not saying I don't respect it or anything like that. I feel it's just like it can be toxic. It can have its it we've seen firsthand that it has its consequences.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Yeah, yeah. I mean, uh, you know, look at Walking Phoenix as well. You know, when he did the Joker, he was the Joker all of the time.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Yes, and he lost 50 pounds for the role.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

Yeah, and and and oddly, uh, it was the same thing with Jared Leto. Um very bizarre joker. Um, to the point where he was sending he was sending his castmates weird items.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Right. I heard about that. I heard about that. Yeah, that bizarre.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Bizarre.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

I think that really gave him a rep as to don't work with this guy after doing that.

unknown 25:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

I think that really stick to music, buddy. Correct. I I'd say the same thing to him. I mean, House of Gucci was good, but it's not like he was the center of attention in that movie under any circumstances.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Right. Yeah. No, that's uh that's Adam Driver right there, driving that thing.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Yes, or Kylo.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Yes, and he did a phenomenal job.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Yes. Listen, I haven't seen anything that that Adam Driver has done other than um The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker that I did not like. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's not his fault, essentially. No. Yeah, it was the uh the writers.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Yes, yeah. It's it's uh that's that's the downfall. In my opinion, the real the downfall of what has become of Star Wars, like you said, nostalgia is the thing that pulls us back to it, but the reality is it it if you don't have Lucas tied to it, it's not gonna be good.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

That's the way I think.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

He had no involvement whatsoever. He had involvement in Force Awakens um because they asked him what he wanted to do, and they didn't do any of it.

unknown 26:42

Really?

SPEAKER_01 26:43

They didn't do any of it. Yeah. They asked him like what was his idea. Like, if you look up his trilli his his sequel trilogy, um nothing whatsoever is in those uh is in those sequels that he created. Oh damn. Other than the characters, yeah. And and not even the new characters, he just the original characters. It's sad. It's sad that this generation has not been able to experience Star Wars, like um you know, even the prequels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the original trilogy, the prequels, um, the Clone Wars show was incredible. Um, probably one of the best Star Wars properties since the original trilogy had the prequels. Because the prequels were too bad.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

No, they weren't. They gave it to the case. Compared to what they get now. Exactly. That's the thing. Like if you turn back the clock, maybe like 10 years, people would say, Oh, the prequels were a disgrace. They were atrocious, awful at so many levels. But if you look at what Disney has done that has literally butchered the franchise, coupled with the fact that they need to feed off of more and more and more and more and more for marketing and for just selling it for what it is, Star Wars, like they're uh Academy Award content for Cripe's sake.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's uh you know, I I I I'm not a fan of uh Attack of the Clones. First of all, it's a terrible title. Secondly, it's just not a great film. Um I've seen Phantom Menace way too many times uh to to to not like it at this point. Um I didn't I I saw it in the theater when it when it premiered. Um I saw it when it re-released, and then I saw it when it re-released again in 3D.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Um I believe it was actually the highest grossing movie of that year of '99. Yes. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

I mean, I bought my my tickets like months in advance. You know, I was I was that guy. Yeah, yeah, back then, you know, uh the night the 90s. Um wild. Uh, I bought my tickets months in advance. I wore my Jedi robe, I hung out in line, I got in there, I watched the movie, and I was like, what was that? With what was Jar Jar? What was Jar Jar Bings? What I don't understand that character. Yeah. Um and then as time has gone on, I'm like, you know, Jar Jar Bings, Miso, not too bad. Yes, compared to when you got yes, yeah. Yeah. I think the best thing that happened in these in these sequels was BB8. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

Everyone loves BBA. Everyone's great. He's BB8. He's so I have one recently.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

I have one that comes around.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

He's so adorable.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

He really is. I have one that follows me. Um what I want him to follow me. You know, I just I'm like, come on, come on, BB. Let's go. You know, and BB8's like, and he he follows me around, you know. Yes, because I'm that I'm that nerd. You know, I don't know if you have a BB8 or not, or a an R2B.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

What I do, what I have is um I I do filmmaking, and my uh my jacket that I wear when I'm on set, that I carry like my equipment and stuff in it. I have a patch on the back of the Millennium Falcon and it says Rebel Scum on it.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Oh nice. Nice similar to that?

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Yes, correct. Well, except mine's got mine had to have the Millennium Falcon because that is the ultimate vehicle. That is the vehicle. That's the that's the car you want. That's your dream car. That's better than a that's than better than a 1976 Gran Torino.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Yes. Yes, I agree. I agree a hundred percent. Um, you know, it's funny. I don't know if you've been to have you been to Galaxy's Edge? No, yeah. In Disney.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Um no, I have not been to Disney in a couple of years. You are a Floridian, so you can give me the rundown on how much it's uh, I guess one might say upgraded, like better, worse, like are they just spectacular.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Spectacular. I actually um I rode uh Rise of the Resistance and uh my wife got a video of me in tears. In actual tears, yeah. Because I got to see like an ad at in like giant real size. I was like you because you because you get to go like kind of under it. And it's just like I can't, I this is incredible, incredible, real tears. Um legitimate, uh Galaxy's Edge is like it's it's a dream, it's a dream come true kind of thing, you know? And now when they start putting more of the original trilogy characters, uh, because they're gonna have the original stormtroopers, um, you know, Darth Vader, so on and so forth. Incredible, incredible. The riding the Millennium Falcon, not as fun as actually seeing it. Yeah. Because when you see it, you're like, there it is. There it is. I'm about I'm about to ride that thing.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Yeah. You know, the greatest aircraft ever created by mankind.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Yes, yes, and it was such a simple, simple design. Simple design. They couldn't figure out how to do it originally, and then um, you know, at ILM, they were like, let's just do this, you know, and they made it very, very simple, you know, the the round base with the with the, you know, and um man, you know, and then they're like, let's put the cockpit on the side, just so it's different than because they they were trying to compare to Star Trek, because Star Trek had it all figured out, right? Yeah, Star Trek had the cockpit right in the middle in the enterprise. Um, so they're like, we don't want to do that. And we already have a similar round design. Let's put the cockpit on the side. Yes. You know, uh, and they couldn't figure out which side they wanted to do with it originally. And then they they settled on the right side.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

Yeah. I I'm curious. Uh I'm really curious about I'm curious what Leonard Nimoy thought of Star Wars.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Uh according to what I what I have read in the past is that he loved it. He thought it was spectacular. He just thought it it was uh it was not very well thought out.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Oh well, he was a very opinionated individual, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

And very articulate in how he spoke, and what if you see interviews with him, yeah, he was very professional in the way he he delivered it. So I can definitely I can definitely see him saying that.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Yeah. Yeah, he he thought that it it it lacked the science, you know, because one of the things that that uh Star Wars does that um anything else in space does does not do, which is sound. Because there is no sound in space.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

No.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

And they do sound, which is bizarre. Um, but he wanted it to feel like a World War II dog fight in space all the time. Like he he was he was obsessed with the with the uh the flight mechanics of World War II. Like he loved dog fights. He's like, oh, let's do the dog fights. And he's like, if if they're doing a dog fight and there's no sound, who's gonna watch that? Nobody, you know, yeah, you're gonna have like a just an empty empty sound and just hearing the actors say their lines. You know, it's like it's like, oh, you know, get that TIE fighter.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Do you know that Mark Hamill's father was actually not impressed with him as Luke Skywalker?

SPEAKER_01 34:30

I I would believe that. I would believe that.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

So his father wanted him. Mark Hamill was a military brat who graduated from high school in Japan when his father was stationed there. And his dad wanted him to uh follow in his footsteps. So he wasn't. I'm like, your son is the most powerful Jedi in the universe, for Craig's sake. Um, global sensation, and you're not impressed? Give me a break.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

Yeah, yeah. He's almost not he he was almost not impressed the way Luke was unimpressed with the lightsaber in Rides of Skywalker. Or right? Is that what the when he just goes, eh, who needs that? Right? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

That's that's how that's that's Mark Hamill's dad. What was your take about Obi-Wan in regards to the the Obi-Wan series? Like, I I gotta say that epic face-off between Obi-Wan and Vader, like where he just chops his chops the helmet and everything. That yeah, some of the best they've done in a long, long time. Just the raw emotion pulsating, where you uh I I love what they did, how they kind of um were able to sync synchronize between the robotics and kind of the um uh Hayden Christensen's voice at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

Yeah, the human element.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

I I first of all, I I I love Ewan McGregor. I think Ewan McGregor acting as Alec Guinness, acting as Obi-Wan is spectacular. Because that was his whole thing. He was like, I want to play Alec Guinness playing Obi-Wan. Like, I'm not playing Obi-Wan, I'm playing Alec Guinness playing Obi-Wan. Um, because he could have done his own thing. Yeah, like a lot of the actors, you know. Oh, definitely, yeah. He definitely could have done his own thing. But um the I actually really, really enjoyed the Obi-Wan series. Um, you know, a lot of people give me, like, you know, they're like, what why? And I'm like, because you get to see Obi-Wan in a time where Obi-Wan is hiding out. Yeah. You know, um, we never saw that era. We never knew what happened to him. We just know he became old Ben Kenobi. Okay, which is the worst, the worst way to hide ever in the history of ever. Yeah. Let's let's let's take Obi-Wan and become old Ben Kenobi. You know. Not not not wise on the uh slick spy stuff. No.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

And I think Ewan McGregor did a very good job in creating the transition that we see when we look back, if we watch Obi-Wan, and then we watch Alec Guinness as Obi-Wan in the originals. Um, he definitely did a phenomenal job in regards to creating that transition and better understanding why like Alec Guinness is as he is in the films.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Absolutely. Absolutely. You totally understand like the piece. It's almost like, you know, once we get to a new hope, which originally wasn't titled A New Hope, by the way. I'm sure you know that. It was just Star Wars. Yes. When we get to Star Wars, uh he has like this solemn kind of like mentor, uh, you know, very Zen piece like being in his in his being. Yes. Um, to the point where like he's just like, eh, these are not the droids you're looking for, you know. Uh he's so chill. He's so chill. Um, but I think that he needed to go through what we saw in Obi-Wan for him to get there. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

As well as as well as what we saw in all the other films, and the Clone Wars, which was and the thing he needed more than anything else was he needed that wake up, that face-to-face from Anakin, where it's like, Anakin's gone, I'm I can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Anakin's gone, I'm better now.

SPEAKER_00 38:39

You know, yes, yeah. I am not your failure. Obi-Wan. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Whoever did the sound editing, that person deserved an award. Yes. 100%. And second. Excellent.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because it's a different voice. Uh, I just finished playing a game uh called uh Star Wars Outlaws. And whoever did the voice for that game, not even close, not even close. Yours is a so much better than that dude's. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you've played it or not, but it's a fun game. There's no there's no Skywalkers. Um you're basically a scoundrel, uh, just you know, doing scoundrel stuff around the galaxy. Yes, yeah. But it's a fun game. But the guy that played that part, not good. The one that played it in uh in the Jedi Survivor and Jedi Fallen Order games was really good, as well as the one that did the um the Force Unleash games. Those were very good. You know, very good rendition of Vader. Yes. That was not James World Jobs.

unknown 39:50

No.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

Yeah, no. I'm I one thing that I really I'm curious if they've done it. Like one thing that's a big talk about online is kind of uh AI voicing and stuff like that, and like stealing uh recordings for especially for uh uh vocal actors who are no longer with us and stuff like that. I'm curious what they've done with that, like how they're going if they're going to be using if they're gonna take advantage of that.

SPEAKER_01 40:23

I'm sure they will. Um it the same way that they do the face mapping, or what do they call it? Um uh I said it earlier, uh deep faking or deep faking, yeah. Yeah. I think it's the same kind of thing. You know, you get the you get the estate to say cool, and um, you know, you come up with a a good character, you know. And as long as the actor's portraying the role to its integrity, I think you're all right, you know. Yeah. Yes, yes, it was. And and we got to see Grandma of Tarkin and Princess Leia, and we're like a phenomenal job. Yeah, I mean it still looked a little video game video gamey because I don't think the technology was there yet.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

No. It was like maybe a year away at least, because they did, because the way they did it with Princess Leia did look just as like I'd have to say 98% could tell it was Carrie Fisher.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. I mean it was right on, it was right on, and and the same with Moff Tarkin. He was he was right on, man. Yes. Um but uh but I think that by the time you get to Mandalorian and you see how advanced you know Luke Skywalker's role in that was. Yes. Because it wasn't just like a little role, like he was he was in it for a bit, you know. Um it's it's pretty shocking. It's pretty shocking how different it is at that point. Um, you know, really, really the technology, and that's all driven by by Lucas and ILM. You know, he's constantly moving technology forward, you know. When he when he set out and he's like, I'm not doing anything because I'm working on THX. Because he wanted people to hear the the sound, the way it should be intended by the filmmakers, right? Yes. And he basically spent I think 10 years developing THX. Damn.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

That's a long time.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

Yeah, it's it's it's very similar to what Dre uh Dr. Dre did with Beats, where he was like, I'm gonna focus, like I'm I'm out of the game and I'm gonna just do this. And he worked on beats and he worked on beats, and I think it took him eight or nine years to develop the beats headphones the way they the way we have them when they originally launched. Yeah, crazy, crazy stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

Nah, just brain part moments. God it happens, man. Yes, it happens to me all the time. Oh, definitely, yes. Especially, yeah, especially when you're uh there's too much to talk about and like so many ish facts. It's funny, like my because here's the thing, like me, I so one thing about uh because David people know about circling back to Darth Vader, everybody's favorite villain, is that we people don't I'm sure some people know but don't know, David Prouse is also offered the role for Chewbacca. Ultimately, George Lucas's mission was he needed two guys who were like six foot five to play the hero and the villain, and he immediately approached uh Prouse and was like, I need you he's like, Who you wanna be? He's like, The villain, because the villain's the one they remember the most.

SPEAKER_01 43:59

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's funny because uh Peter Mayhew, uh, also Rip, um spectacular as Chewbacca, like incredible as Chewbacca.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

Yeah. You know, I can sometimes do the Chewbacca. It's uh it's very tough. I I I'd try right now, but it would take like 50 tries. Um because you have to literally like echo in the back of your throat when you do it.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

It's a weird it's weird. Like I can't do it. Something like that. Something like that. Yes, yeah. Yes, you immediately. Yeah, no. No, he immediately uh said yes, the villain, because the villain's the one that they remember the best.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Um, and it's and it's funny because uh if if you look at the AFI's 100 greatest villains of all time, I want to say Darth Vader is in the top five.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

Yes, I believe that. Yeah. I what is it, me? I know like all of his lines inside out. And whenever I watch Star Wars with my wife, my wife finds it hysterical because she'll see me like mouthing like Star Wars mouthing every single one of Vader's lines every time uh he's on screen because he has I don't it's it's everything. It's the presence, it's the tone, it's that excellent John Williams music that completes the character and creates the the evil behind it, or yeah, that that ambiance, right? Correct, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

And we don't hear that until Empire Strikes Back.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Yes, and when we get his theme and George Lucas, actually, the inspiration behind Vader was a Japanese character.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

I saw it. Uh they said in the video when I saw that you see the similarity. I'm like, okay, tall, dark dude who's very powerful, yes. But uh that's it.

SPEAKER_01 46:08

Yeah, I mean, also like the samurai style helmet. Yeah. You know, because there was there was a big thing with Lucas uh where he wanted it to be like a fairy tale. Uh space opera is what they called it originally. Um Space Opera. That's an that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:25

Yeah, yeah. Space Opera was the was the uh genre.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

Um and it's uh Cowboys in Cowboys in Armor, as Liam Neeson puts it.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

As Liam Neeson puts it, right. Liam Neeson, uh what a what a what a great character. I actually really liked Qui-Gon.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Everyone did. Everyone did. He's what I don't get why they had to kill him off so suddenly because the reality is one of the reasons I think I think one of the reasons I watch uh uh the uh the Phantom Menace is simply for Liam Neeson uh giving like that uh because he's Liam Neeson, he never disappoints. He's just got a particular set of skills that we can't match up with.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

He's got a particular set of skills, yes. Um yeah, yeah. He's uh Liam Neeson is spectacular. Um and now he just makes basically take in different versions of it.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

Um but well he's done he's done with that because he's like I'm 70 something years old, I cannot keep doing this anymore.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

He um he he in in in that role he's spectacular, but I think that that's part of what makes Obi-Wan um Obi-Wan, right? Because he had his master, he had to learn, he had to paddle on under Qui-God, and then all of a sudden, boom, he's gone. His rage takes over him, right? In Phantom Menace at the end, yeah, right, fighting Darth Maul. Yeah, and uh, you know, he himself does not know how to control himself, and it's almost like you needed him to go through all of that and what happens in Obi-Wan, the show, for him to get to becoming the Alec Guinness version of himself. Yes, yeah. It's it's it's a wild ride, man. Yes, Star Wars is wild, you know? It is, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

It's out of this world.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

I see what you did there. It's a galaxy far, far away.

SPEAKER_00 48:28

Yes. Who came? Here's the thing. I'm very curious, like where Lucas came up with that idea. Because it's so fitting. Long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Like, uh like, do you have any clue whose idea that was for that introduction? Just setting the tone the way it does.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Well, what's interesting is that he wanted it to be a fairy tale. Like, again, so uh space opera, right? A fairy tale. Like, how can we make this a fairy tale where it's not real, but it's real. Uh, you know, it's it's it's almost like that, you know, where where a lot of people kind of when you read fairy tales, and a lot of them start out with like long time ago, once, you know, and I think that he was trying to find his own uh way of putting that together because he wanted it to feel close, but he wanted it to feel also very, very distant. Yes. Um, what's fascinating about it was is a long time ago. That to me is the line that gets me every single time. Long time ago. You know, a galaxy far far away could have started off with that. But to give it the fairy tale kind of like uh medieval or or chivalrous tone, he said a long time ago. Yeah, and I think that's where all that came from. Uh, because he was very into like, you know, I want this to be chivalrous, I want it to be, you know, very like, you know, these knights fight, you know, that's why they're Jedi knights. Yes. Um which is which is crazy. And then he was so influenced by the Japanese samurai culture, you know, which is where the light saber comes from, you know, the actual saber, and you know, like this this kind of like weird way of looking at things. Um you know, and that's why we have that Asian influence on the on the on the wardrobe, on the helmets, you know. Because even looking at the acolyte, uh you can see the wardrobe influenced by Asian culture. You know. The acolyte's not great, but but it does tell a story. That's all I got. That's all I got for you on the acolyte.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

Yeah, I I think we should let the uh the new generation be the judge as to what they think. Exactly, exactly. Of course, frankly, I'm a little disappointed with what the new generation is being given in as far as entertainment goes.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

It's not great. I blame Disney. I I blame Disney for one, owning everything, uh, two, running out of fresh content, and uh three, making an endless number of uh remakes that don't need to be me made. Like they've already doing a Moana one. Give me an F and break.

SPEAKER_01 51:25

Yeah, right? A live action Moana because we didn't love the actual uh not live action, uh the animated, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

I'm like, that movie's not even 10 years old, and you're already doing a live action. Like, seriously, give us some fresh meat for once.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

Yeah, I uh you know it's funny because they actually make a ton of money on the remakes. Um I know they do.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

They're their remakes fail miserably at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

Some of them do. Some of them do. Um, most of them have done excellent. Um, like if you look at uh what was that one? Uh The Lion King. The Lion King was like a billion dollars in its theatrical release.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

I didn't I didn't see it. I I the only what are the only live actions I've seen? Oh god. The only live I saw I saw Lilo and Stitch. Uh that's because Lilo and Stitch is like one of my wife's favorite Disney movies, so I was like, okay, okay, okay. And so she knows, like, uh, and she knows me being the movie guy I am and everything. Um like I so I went for that one. I saw um what is it, the the Beauty and the Beast one, which I thought was was okay. I thought that was well done. Yeah, it was it was good, it was good. Yes, yeah. I didn't see the uh Aladdin one under any circumstances because Robin Williams is Robin Williams and you cannot replace him with Will Smith. It's a real slap in the face to one man's legacy.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

That was good. That was good. Yes, yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Um, I've seen most of them, and actually most of them have made a lot of money. Um the ones that didn't make money are the ones that had bad promotion behind it, like Snow White. Snow White bombed miserably because of the actress. The lead that played uh Snow White. Uh, I forgot, I don't even remember.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Rachel Zegler, Rachel Zegler.

SPEAKER_01 53:26

Yeah, that one, the one that was in the high school musical series. Um my daughters like that stuff. So yeah, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

Oh, but but Gal Gadot said she blamed anti-Semitism as the reason for Snow Wave's downfall. I'm like, no, no. I'm like, no, Gal.

SPEAKER_01 53:45

Rachel Zegler.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

I'm like, no, Gal, I blame you. You can't act, girl.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

Yeah, yeah. Her uh, what is it? She's Wonder Woman.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

That's all she's ever she is. That's all she's ever done.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

That's actually liked 84. I guess it's because it's nostalgia bait. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

Yeah, no, beep yeah. The thing is, because Wonder Woman was the only thing she had ever done, you will see Wonder Woman in everything she does do from now on. It's why people have harped on her, quit acting, retire, and just go be a model/slash sex symbol. Like you don't have the beef for it under any circumstances. You're the same thing consistently with every single role you do. Um yeah, they they've they've already said that uh being Wonder Woman is was her downfall.

SPEAKER_01 54:38

Yeah, yeah, she's stuck, she's typecast. You know, it's it's different it's very different than you know playing a different role, you know, um and and and actually having having fame as a different, you know, doing going into Wonder Woman, had she have done other roles that were notable, I don't think she'd be in this problem.

SPEAKER_00 54:57

Yeah, I saw that I saw that breakdown with uh with other uh MCU uh and DCU actors and stuff, and the reason why I I I guess one might say they're so they're so bankable. Like if you look at Hugh Jackman, Hugh Jackman, he is Wolverine. Yes. But at the same time, this is a man who can do musical theater.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

He's also Neil Diamond.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

Exactly. He's also Neil Diamond, he can do stage performan, he can do stage theater, um, he can be dramatic, he can be the most hateful individual you want. So he's got versatility. Even Chris Evans. Uh Chris Evans may be Captain America, but at the same time, he can be like that funny guy, he can be like the sweetheart boyfriend and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

Yeah. Like there's versatility. He started off in what was it, not another teen movie? Something like that, yeah. Yeah. So I mean, you know, Chris Evans has has has grown as an actor. Uh Hugh Jackman as well, obviously. Hugh Jackman can be anybody. I mean, oh cool, you know, swordfish, right? Yes. Did you ever see that one? Swordfish? I don't think I did. No.

unknown 56:08

No.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

So imagine having to work with John Travolta. That's what Hugh Jackman had to do, and Halle Berry. That was uh Swordfish. Uh but very, very different role. But um, but that's the thing, you know. I think with Gavin.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

That John Travolta wins in a dance competition very much. Every time. Every time, of course.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

Every time, regardless. He will win. He will win. But singing competitions.

SPEAKER_00 56:31

Hugh Jackman will uh will beat that.

SPEAKER_01 56:33

Absolutely. Well, Hugh Jackman, he's got chops, man. The greatest showman. Come on now. He's that guy can sing.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

Which is like literally sugarcoats it because if you know enough about who P. T. Barnum really was as an individual, he was an awful, awful human being.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

Awful human being, yeah. Terrible human being. Hugh Jack, like seeing Hugh Jackman, you're like, huh, what a what a nice guy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:58

And then uh and then you read the stuff and you're like, ooh, good. Yeah, he was uh yeah, P. T. Barnum was really messed up in the head.

SPEAKER_01 57:06

Yeah, yeah. But um, but that's the thing, you know, had she had done other roles, uh, you know, and it's funny because I circling back to Star Wars and thinking about um Force Awakens, right? Yes. Adam Driver had already had a career. Correct. When he got the role of Kylo Redd.

SPEAKER_00 57:25

Correct, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

Um I don't even know her name. The one that plays Ray.

SPEAKER_00 57:32

Uh Daisy Ridley, I think, is her name. That's it. Daisy Daisy Ridley. Um, hasn't done anything else. She's only done like she's only done like maybe two other movies, I think.

SPEAKER_01 57:42

Right. And I think a lot of it has to do with the she can't get cast. Correct. Because of so much backlash to Star Wars. Um, and had they have written it differently, I don't think we'd have this problem. No. You know, because I I like John Boyega. It's funny, I know his name, right?

unknown 58:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:04

Yes, yeah. He he like I one thing I try to explain to people when when explaining the industry is that luck plays a key role in getting uh where you are. He had barely any money in his pocket, and he got like, I think he got like a text or a call, not from not from Lucas, but maybe from like one of the directors or the director, the producer, something like that. And he used what little money he had, went to that meeting, and the rest is history. And now John Boeg he got like a big fat fucking paycheck that made him rich.

SPEAKER_01 58:41

He does. He made him super rich, and now he can choose roles because he's an actual, like, really, really good actor. Yes, yes, so if you've seen him do other things, uh he's he's very good. He's very, very good. Yeah. But Daisy Ridley has not done anything.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

Nope. She's been on two other, I think she's been like uh seen in two other known movies. Next to that, she's like she's just Ray.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

Yeah, she's just Ray. And and it's and it's terrible because it could have gone so differently had they have taken a different path with the writing. And it's funny because um I don't know if you've seen now that uh Filoni's in charge of uh of Lucas. Uh no, I didn't hear that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They uh they ousted um what's her face from from from being the chair of Lucas, and now it's Dave Dave Filoni, he's in charge now. And uh he's basically saying, like, we're gonna retcon uh The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. And I'm like, so what are you gonna do? You're gonna just do new movies as like you know, seven and eight? Or are you just gonna so he's he's resetting the the timeline after Force Awakens, basically, which is kind of interesting, you know, because Mando was like such a good such a good property for him um when he created that and uh obviously the Clone War, you know, uh the Clone War is incredible. What it's still still to this I watched that with my son uh as it was going on live, like when it was airing. And uh you know, I don't know how you feel about the Clone Wars uh TV, the show, but it's probably one of the best Star Wars properties uh in more recent time. You know that Rebels, incredible. Don't know if you you're familiar with Rebels.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:42

I have not.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:43

I've the story of Ahsoka Tano and Ezra.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:46

No, I have not uh gotten into as much of the the new stuff as as I should. And I'm guessing I definitely need to like do do a little bit of research because I saw like they something new they came out. They're coming out with something in reference to Darth Maul. Like they want to bring him back.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:07

They're basically saying he did he did not he did not die. Uh which I think might that's gonna I I am already predicting that's gonna get a motherload of mixed reactions because like we saw him die, we saw Obi-Wan chop the guy in half.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:29

Yeah. Yeah. But in in the books and in the Clone Wars, they show you how he survived. Really? Yeah. So he basically force uh force-controlled um parts around him. Because, you know, think about it. A lightsaber's burned, right? Yeah. Lightsabers burn you. So he got cut in half, but he stayed alive. He still had all his functioning stuff up top, right? So he was able to create junk to become spider legs, and it saved him out of the trash pit. But he had to live in the trash pit for many, many years. Uh, as he, you know, and then he just basically had this hatred grow for Obi-Wan Kenobi.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

You know, so it's it's it's you gotta see the Clone Wars. You gotta see the Clone Wars. It's it's spectacular. And watching him with spider legs, what it's crazy, crazy, it's crazy. And then he and he eventually uh creates you know uh bionic legs for himself. So so that's where we get this Maul now in this uh in this new series. I think we pick it up with where he's he's in that transition between um between the spider legs and his new uh android legs. Fascinating. I love Maul. Maul is Maul is one of the best underused characters in the history of Star Wars. Yes. Cinema.

unknown 1:03:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

Because he could have kept going.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:08

He could have kept going. Definitely, most definitely. Yeah, and and also like what is it? And you um, if you know the actor who does like the voice behind him, Peter Sefelechowitz, I can never pronounce the last guy's not Ray Park. No, not Ray.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:26

Ray Park is just the body.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:28

Yeah. No, the guy who does the voice uh is like um what is it? We get a glimpse of him in Guardians of the Galaxy.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:38

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:39

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:40

He does a he does a good job of being an evil asshole.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:44

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:45

It's it's you know, when you're typecast, you're typecast, man. I know. Well, I think he actually prefers doing voices more than he does like doing straight-up like acting work and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

Yeah. I I mean I I enjoy doing voices. Most of the time. Yeah, voices, voices is fun. Yeah. It is, it is. Because, you know, you you you take the character in and then you you create the whole process. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

But nobody has to see you do it. No, they don't. Yeah. What is it? Like, I've I had done uh I haven't published it yet, an episode uh for uh about uh about voiceovers and uh and stuff like that. Here's one, like uh one interesting. It's also about how the voice comes to you. Like, what is it? John Leguziomi as Sid the Sloth, uh, the uh the discovery behind creating that voice. He tried like so many different voices, a southern voice, he tried an Asian voice, um, he was watching a documentary about sloths, and he was eating chicken and kind of thinking out loud when he did it. So when he talks like that, that that talking is was him. He he immediately called like Chris Milanandria um and uh with a chicken sandwich in his mouth and is like, hey, it's sloth. I found myself. I found a sound.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:08

Exactly. No, it's great. It's great. Um, that's one of the classic voices ever. You know, and and then and you know, of course, you have Mike Myers who pretty much does everybody in an Irish or Scottish voice. Yeah. Every time every time. Yeah. Yes, yeah. You know, you can be fat bastard or you can be Shrek, it's all the same. Yes, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:30

Uh yeah, it's it's very interesting. Yes, yeah. And if you think that's interesting and you want to listen in to uh a new podcast, you can check out Fern Arius and his wife, their podcast, the Limitless Tabletop Hop podcast, which is available on uh uh Spotify, uh Apple Podcasts, and whatever it is you get podcasts for. And if you want to support this podcast, this is a shout out to all you media junkies out there and have a chance to be a guest in the show. You can follow me on Instagram. Instagram at ATK Media, or you can check me out on YouTube at chatterbox dash ninety four. Don't forget to like and subscribe and leave your thoughts in the comments section below. You can DM me via Instagram and don't forget to tune in and listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, wherever it is you get your podcasts from.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:20

Don't forget iHeartMedia.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

Yes, that is correct. iHeartMedia, the one we do not give much credibility to. I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:29

And so many podcasts go through there.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:31

Yes, yeah. I I yeah. Yeah. Definitely need to uh give them more credibility for what they do in regards to uh helping us to uh uh be heard.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:47

Yes, yes, it's it's nice to get out there, you know. It is uh and have a little bit of reach.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

Yes, definitely, very much. Yeah. My recommendation is use Buzz Sprout if you want to get on every single platform. That's the one. That's the winner. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:02

Chicken dinner right there, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:04

Uh yes, use that, you're on everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:06

Yep, pretty much. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

Fern, it was truly great having you here uh on the show today.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

Thank you so much, man. It's been a pleasure, it's been so much fun. I love talking about Star Wars. Yes, as well as other stuff. But but yes, anytime anybody wants to talk Star Wars, I'm like, yes, let's do it. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:26

Well, may the force be with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

And also with you. Yes. That was very Catholic.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:34

Yes. All right, folks. All right, folks. May the force be with all of my listeners out there. Until next time, folks, stay high in life. Peace out.