Enter The Diddyverse and The World of Weinstein

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SPEAKER_04 0:00

Girl in the Ruby slippers, Judy Gyllen, once said, We cast away priceless time and dreams, born of imagination, fed upon illusion, and put to death by reality. Now, for those of you who don't really understand what that translates to, it basically means this. The world of child stardom destroyed her. Her experience behind closed doors was traumatizing on high levels, and it really, really gives us an in-depth look as to why she died the way she died. In today's episode, we're gonna be talking about the Hollywood underworld, corruption in the music industry, the Diddyverse, which I'm sure we all know plenty about because we're still following the news and still wondering what that outcome is gonna be when that freak of nature gets out gata bars. The gossip, the corruption, the scandal, the parties, everything that celebrities do when we are not watching and when they're not being interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel. That's what it's about today. So be prepared to hear some pretty intense stuff. Without further ado, let's get started.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Hi, thank you so much for having me. I've really been looking forward to this.

SPEAKER_04 1:33

Yeah. So, folks, today we are going to be talking about the Hollywood and music industry underworld. You know what that means. It means scandal, it means unnecessary sex, morbid parties, and what the hell do celebrities do when the camera isn't rolling and the curtain is closed. We're gonna be digging into the world of Mr. Weinstein, uh, Sean Diddy Combs, who, uh, as we all know is due to be released from the clink soon. And uh there's probably a lot of questions as to what's gonna happen once he is a free man. Am I right? Right. Yeah, I'm definitely curious. So am I. Let's start with that. I mean, frankly, it definitely proves that the justice system is completely unfair and rigged, how money can buy you anything, uh, as we've seen in politics, but I don't really want to get into that. Yeah. Yeah, but uh it baffles me. Like the man he had the word guilty of everything painted all over his face. What do you think was the real downfall that he didn't get like a firm gavel slam, like 30 years to life?

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Yeah, that's a really great question. And unfortunately, I think my my suspicion is that he probably has some dirt on some powerful people. Um, whether it be, you know, video recording, audio recording, who knows? Um, but he's probably has some things that made a lot of people nervous and um that probably got him out of some hot water.

SPEAKER_04 3:16

Yeah, I I that does make sense that he probably knows uh a lot more. Uh if you haven't seen it, it's on HBO Max. It's called The Fall of Diddy. Uh it it was a brilliant documentary, very in-depth details of people who know him, people who worked for him, etc. And one woman who worked with him very, very closely for many years said that he had the ability to make you disappear if he wanted to. So that of course that's the tone uh itself. I I think part of me, I think another reason why the system failed is because the people who we really wanted to see testify on the stand chose not to, probably as means to save their own skin. The people who should have come forward, like J Lo, uh Jen Kutcher, Leo DiCaprio, um to just to name a few of like I I think they were like the big three, if you ask me. But also, we have to take things into consideration for starters. Leo is the most powerful man in Hollywood, so there's that. And JLo is one of the most powerful women in Hollywood. She's not the most powerful, trust me, folks, because she's too much of a diva, which just spilled on. I think the most powerful woman in Hollywood actually is Lady Gaga.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

You think so?

SPEAKER_04 4:38

Uh, I definitely think so based on her range and influence.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:44

Not just here in the States, but also globally.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:48

Yeah. But that's a discussion for another day. Probably a good episode. Yeah. So part of me feels that's because the wrong people were not there to testify. And if you watch this, like the fall of Diddy, the man was like almost born and bred a criminal. Everything he did, like his real reign of hell raising, dates back to the 80s when he was in college. And yeah. The thing is, the man's basically guilty of murder. He is linked directly to the murder of notorious B.I.G., Tupac, and even uh Aaron Carter, which is another one. I don't know why uh his brother didn't testify.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Yeah, yeah. See, and it makes you wonder. I mean, there could be lots of lots of reasons why, but um, yeah, I unfortunately uh it could have just been that he was scared um or threatened. You know, when we don't know, but um it I kind of want to go back to what you were saying, though, about how he was basically born and bred into this life, and you're absolutely correct. Um did you watch the documentary um that 50 Cent was uh basically funded?

SPEAKER_04 6:13

No, I did not. Uh the the only two documentaries I've seen is one's called Sean Combs The Reckoning, and that's on Netflix.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

That's the one.

SPEAKER_04 6:22

That's the one yeah, I watched that. I watched that. Um I I need to watch it again, definitely. Uh but uh enlighten our listeners.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Yeah, absolutely. I thought it was very well done. Um it's a I believe four a four-part um documentary. And it really, yeah, it it does this great job of like breaking down the the life of Diddy and kind of where he started from as a child. And even because you mentioned about you know him being in college and his criminal life kind of really taking off from there. But even as a little boy, I mean it's it's actually sad to hear and learn about it, doesn't excuse anything, of course, but it's very sad to hear and learn about how he really didn't have a choice. I mean, he was basically created or molded into a little gangster from five, six, seven years old.

SPEAKER_04 7:36

It's almost like he was a natural born killer, to quote the movie.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Yes. Absolutely, absolutely. And when you mentioned too about um, you know, being the ha having these ties, basically, and it's like we all know it, right? As far as his involvement with um Tupac and Notorious B.I.G. The suspicion and and the rumors and the different things that all point to, you know, him being the one in, you know, who made all those things happen. But I know for me, like I was in high school when um both of them were murdered. Especially back then, the the thought that Diddy had anything to do with especially notorious BIG's murder was so far from anyone's thought. That was that was the last person we would have ever thought, you know, would would have been involved. And now when you look back and you know so much more information, especially from these documentaries, about how he benefited from their deaths, uh, especially notorious VIG. You know, he um just whether it was monetarily or his positioning within companies, I mean, there's so many things that I think when he someone like him who clearly just does lacks a lot of moral compass and um is really sociopathic, or you know, it's I I don't know. I don't really know the correct wording to use for him or describe him because he really doesn't have seem to have any type of remorse for anything. He's only out for himself. And um yeah, it's just it was really really eye-opening.

SPEAKER_04 9:36

I would go with sociopathic narcissist, I think is the best way to describe his psychological stance. And here's the morbid part. So the song uh I'll be watching you, um, which of course we don't really listen to anymore because it sounds so weird now. That was written for notorious BIG. Was it? Yes, it was. It was written after his death as a means of basically mourning him. I'm like, but the Yes, yes, but the hypocrisy. I'm like, dude, you you're the re you're one of the key reasons why the guy is six feet under. Now you're writing a song to mourn his death. Like, what? Are you trying to hide face or something? But I think another part of me is this. It was the 90s. And Usher, uh, who actually tried to warn us about Diddy 10 years ago, back in 2016, he was one of the first people to try and get it all out there. He said that the 90s was like a really kind of dark time in the music industry, and he's not wrong because I saw uh an interview with Prince of people, rest in peace, may the rain be purple. Um he tried to warn us about not Diddy per se, but this level of intense corruption that exists within the music industry. And knowing what we know now, quite honestly, I feel like the music industry is more not cutthroat, but slit throat than the Hollywood underworld, which of course we're gonna get into with Mr. uh Mr. Weinstein. And circling back to what you said, like him having dirt on people and stuff, and it makes sense because, like I said, one of the people who knew the most but didn't say a word was J-Lo. And if you turn back to the clock to the 90s and the early 2000s, she was still very much a nobody. So one thing that's become kind of a a pattern of all of this spilling out of these scandals within the entertainment industry is that people that have become A-listers and top names within the entertainment industry, uh, they knew this 20 to 30 years ago, but kept their mouth shut. Why? Because they were a complete unknown. And because you get in the way of the people who are running the show, you will remain a complete unknown. You will never work in this industry. They will like put up uh barricades, they'll rake your name through the mud, everything.

unknown 12:19

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

Now, um I'm curious your your take on something though, because you mentioned Usher and and how you know he did try to warn us, and and you're right. But what I find uh oh sickening and and sad is the Justin Bieber situation.

SPEAKER_04 12:41

Of course.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

You what are your suspicions there? Do you feel that Usher like knowingly kind of put Bieber on a silver platter for Diddy?

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Yes and no.

SPEAKER_04 12:57

Pardon me, uh, I think he he he 100% knew what could happen to Bieber.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

He had to, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:10

He because he was a victim of Diddy. Diddy raped him.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:13

Diddy raped him when he was like a teenager, when he wasn't even Usher yet, when he first like stepped into the industry. I so I think Usher knew the possible consequences from his own experience, but at the same time, something tells me that there was some sort of like um business lingering within it. Because Usher is one of the uh on the uh entrepreneurial side of things, he's one of the most powerful people in the music industry on the business element of it. Um so uh part of me thinks that there was some sort of like business linking with that, possibly contract related uh between bad boy as well as his label that he couldn't really get out of. Maybe something in regards to like bringing new talent into the scope.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

That's an interesting point.

SPEAKER_04 14:11

Yes, so something so based on everything he has said and come out with, from a morality standpoint, he definitely betrayed his morals because he has made it loud and clear that he would never allow his children within like a thousand miles of that lunatic.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Right, right, absolutely. Now, another thing though that I've heard, and I'm assuming you've you've probably heard little whisperings here and there about this too, and you know, it could be complete nonsense, it could be completely far-fetched, I don't know. But, you know, we when people start talking about whether you whether you want to call it the Illuminati or you call it something else, it doesn't really matter what you call it, but it's this elite group of people that um you know, whether I I I can't remember who it was, but I saw a video where somebody was talking about that Usher may have had to basically offer up like a a sacrificial lamb, so to speak, to sort of like take his place in in that situation. Um and when you go back and you see videos and inter old interviews of Justin Bieber talking about how Usher found him and really kind of in a slightly creepy way, got him, you know, like got in touch with him and really got the ball rolling on him. Now, some would say, yeah, because he was this incredibly talented kid and he wanted to, you know, get to him before someone else did, you know, another label, which makes sense. Yeah. But at the same time, when you look at it with what we know now, it it it does raise the question of that that's not the most absurd thing I I've ever heard.

SPEAKER_04 16:23

Do you think that uh had Bieber testified, he would have been able to uh give the jury some like very core valuable information? Because I remember seeing some uh hidden footage uh where he actually approached Diddy, and Diddy was like, You're not wearing a wire, are you?

unknown 16:41

No.

SPEAKER_04 16:41

So this, yes. So I don't know when this footage was taken, but it definitely had to be around the time that stuff started to leak out. So probably like late 2010s when paranoia started to grip him.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I I have not seen that, but that is really fascinating to me. And yeah, I do believe that if he had testified, um, it would have been very, very bad for Deddy.

SPEAKER_04 17:13

Yeah, I think uh the I think had Bieber grown a spine and uh testified, that could have been the the key to giving him the 30 years to life that he deserves.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Yeah. Yeah. I I agree with you. I 100% agree with you. The only thing is, you know, from uh you know, we don't know we have no idea the extent of the trauma that that poor boy went through. And especially being so as young as he was um when when he was first introduced to Diddy. Um I do believe that people, especially if you have a platform, especially someone as famous as Justin Bieber, you have a responsibility to shed light on things that are wrong and you know, really stand up for the voiceless. But at the same time, I can't even begin to wrap my head around the amount of trauma that he has gone through. You know, maybe is probably still hasn't even completely processed at all.

SPEAKER_04 18:31

Yes, I can definitely relate to that on the uh cinematic scale. I have my own story that I'll be getting into once we start talking about Mr. Weinstein, but I can tell you this when you're young and extremely vulnerable, uh how do I put it? Um it sticks with you quicker.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Right.

SPEAKER_04 18:57

Much, much quicker. And it grips onto you. And even when you reach that primal age of like 25 to 30, once you're at that age and stronger doses of reality sink in and you are able to soak in and deeply reflect on everything you went to, went through, um, it becomes much, much harder to flush it out of your system. Despite every effort you have made over the past probably 10-something years to flush it out of your system, it actually becomes harder because now you're an adult and you're at that age where you can really grapple with it and really kind of hold on to the reins of it, dissect it uh on a much deeper level. So I think that's probably another reason. Like I don't think he probably even had it within himself to be um structured the way he would have needed to to testify in such an extreme case.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

That's true. Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I I yeah, I definitely see you know your your side there. Um I'm I'm curious, though I I really I'm surprised that Cassie's testimony wasn't enough. You know?

SPEAKER_04 20:18

Yeah, that doesn't make sense. I mean, the video footage, like everyone who saw it said they like froze, they were completely voiceless, uh very much similar to how it was with OJ, where like you could hear a pin drop in the whole room. So I mean but hey, like I can tell you this the system is 100% rigged. I mean, for Craig's sake, I mean, look at uh look at many court cases of the past, like with with OJ and stuff like that, or even with like uh Luigi Mangioni, there's footage of the guy doing what he did, but his case is totally different. And quite honestly, like they I'll say that I'm just gonna sum it up, folks, for when it does hit the news and hit the TV, you will not be able to find a jury that will lean in favor of the CEO under any circumstances because more than 90% of the American populace has been scammed and screwed over by insurance companies at least one or more times in their life. So none of them will favor him. That's that's all I'm gonna say. But like, yeah, when you have money, when you have power, when you have influence and connections with even more powerful people, not exactly sure because only so many members of his inner circle have spoken out, you're invincible. You can do whatever the fuck you want.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Right. Right. Yeah. Um, another person that I find absolutely riveting to listen to, and and she's very Controversial because you know it's either you believe her, a lot of people it's like there is no middle ground, I I feel like with people with her. Um, is Jaguar right? And have you listened to anything that she has said over the last few years?

SPEAKER_04 22:15

No, no, I have not. I think she was on the actually on the list of people who tried to warn us about Diddy, but because of her reputation, nobody took her seriously.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 22:26

Or at least they struggled to take her seriously.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Right, right. Yeah. But it's interesting with her because she was a backup singer, um, I I believe is what she Yeah. So she went on tour a lot with um, so she was in rooms, you know, important rooms with Diddy and Jay-Z and Beyonce and um witnessed a lot of things and heard a lot of conversations, and everything that she has said, like nobody has been able to disprove anything that she has said, and even things that she said that was going to happen or was going to come out that did. So, like, there's just nothing she has said, at least that I'm aware of, that came back where it didn't look credible.

SPEAKER_04 23:25

And I mean, another big warning sign about how awfully was is uh the inventor of TikTok, Kesha. In her song TikTok, the original lyrics was wake up in the morning feeling like P. Diddy. She changed that 10 years ago to wake up in the morning and fuck P. Diddy.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 23:47

Yes, yes, she I didn't know that. That that was she she warned us through the power of music.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:54

And and here's the thing like another big warning, and I'm guessing like whoever was involved with production must have known a thing or two. Did you see the movie uh Blink Twice starring Channing Tatum? That movie uh basically was a fictionalized summarization of Diddy's uh white freak-off parties.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Okay, I would be sure.

SPEAKER_04 24:24

If you watch the movie again and then reflect on everything that uh we know about his freak-offs and stuff, yeah, they just mesh together perfectly. Even some of the dialogue that Channing Tatum's character uses is some of the same stuff that uh Diddy said on his like on like his live streams and stuff. Yeah. And I do know that uh Channing Tatum attended, I think, one or two of those parties, but I don't think he was uh he was not exposed under any circumstances to the more gruesome stuff that was occurring behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

Right.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

And another thing is that these these parties they don't just apply to like Diddy and celebrities and stuff like that. I'm currently uh at the end of making a uh a film right now. Um and our director, he lived in Hollywood for 10 years. He actually got invited to one of those uh underground sex parties.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

He did not go. Uh he was skeptical about he was skeptical about when he got the invitation, then found out what it actually was and was eternally grateful that he did not go. This is something that just I've seen interviews with hotel managers who witness these kind of things firsthand. Like these incredibly rich people who are wealthy, entitled, and have a uh cult of personality about them. They are not afraid to splurge and do very bizarre things behind closed doors.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And and I feel like this is also kind of uh even kind of starting to go blur into things like uh Harvey Weinstein and and the more Hollywood um side of things. But I I I've heard, and and I'm thinking that it's true, that Diddy had like an underground passageway from his house to the Playboy mansion.

SPEAKER_04 26:28

I think I had heard a rumor about that. I wasn't really too sure whether to believe it or not. Yeah. Primarily because the man had such easy access to like prostitutes and strippers that it doesn't seem like he would have needed a uh a secret golden ticket into like the hub of orgies and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

Right, right. I guess uh when I heard that, I didn't think of it in in a in the way of like the the purpose of him going there, like had anything to do with the Playboy Mansion. It was just m-I think it was from what I understood that the passageway was already there, um, whoever had owned the house previously. And um, so it was it was more like an escape route, um, or just something that people not everybody knew about. So in the event of like a raid, you know, there was uh a way to get from point A to somewhere else.

SPEAKER_04 27:25

Okay, that makes a lot more sense if it was an escape route. That makes a bit more that definitely seems plausible. Because I mean it I mean the man, it's not like the man had any loyalty or commitment uh at all under any circumstances. People who came forward, uh I think it was in the the reckoning, that documentary. Um, one guy said, had said to one of Diddy's girlfriends, he's like, You're he's allowed to cheat on you, but you can't cheat on him. Which was almost like a warning to this woman in particular.

SPEAKER_03 27:59

Right.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Um meaning like you go against his back, he can completely destroy you. He yeah, he goes against your back. You can't do anything, like you're helpless, you're helpless.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:14

Yeah. But I mean what do you have to say about the fact that Prince warned us about this kind of like uh that there was a a lot of corruption brewing and existing within the music industry back in the 90s and us being foolish not to uh heed his wisdom? What do you have to say about that?

SPEAKER_01 28:35

I think it just goes to show that i uh it obviously he was speaking from a a knowledgeable place, um even not even just Prince, but Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Um the king.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

Right. And and when you look at these um people that, you know, were very, very famous, you know, very uh powerful in their own right, but they still uh especially I know Michael Jackson, there's been lots of um things that have come out over the years that he was in fear for his life all leading up until he mysteriously died. So um, you know, whether it was to silence Prince or Michael Jackson or any anybody else for certain things that they knew, like information that they had, or just before the warnings that they were giving. Um, you know, I think it just in in the music industry and in Hollywood, I don't think there's any coincidences.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

And part of me thinks that may have been a bit of a challenge for because Prince was a very upright, straightforward individual. If you don't believe me, you should ask Salma Hayek because she was very good friends with Prince. And she's even done impersonations on him that are hysterical. Uh, she actually said he had a phenomenal sense of humor, despite his kind of like very um um pose um uh straightforward attitude, um, is that Michael Jackson had endured so much uh trauma of his own. I mean, like through his father, Joe Jackson, uh uh and stuff like that, that it probably was very and I've seen interviews about him discussing that alone. It probably was a lot for him to digest and really just tough for him to like structure it all together and be straightforward and like this is what's going on, this is wrong. But thinking about all of this now, I feel like we are some of the stupidest people on planet Earth.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

I know, I know. I do too. And you know who else is was has been screaming from the rooftops for years and years and years was Corey Thogman.

SPEAKER_04 31:05

Yes, yes, he did. Uh he and that's one of the reasons why we don't see him anymore. Uh is he was uh basic he he wasn't uh uh I'd have to say I think the word is like he was, yeah, he was purged from Hollywood.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Blacklisted, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:23

Uh yeah. I I use the word perjury because he can't even get like indie films or anything like that. Yeah, because I've I've discussed uh I've kind of explained to people a little bit about the uh Hollywood system and how it works. You're either uh how do I put it? You're either like uh blacklisted, purged, or dumped. Blacklisted, people have been blacklisted, they have a chance to make a comeback. I mean, just look at Brendan Fraser.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 31:56

Like he was blacklisted for the longest time, and that next thing you know, he wins an Oscar for the whale. Uh he did uh the movie Rental Family, which my wife and I saw. We I thought it was so sweet, it was so cherishing. Um, then he did uh movie pressure. Uh I have yet to see it. I wanted to. So there is always hope to come back with blacklisting. Then you have like uh being uh purged, which is where you lose everything. Uh and that's that like you're never gonna work in the industry again. They make sure of it. Uh one of the best examples of perjury is uh James Woods. Uh he he was purged from Hollywood over a decade ago, uh actually almost 20 years ago, truth be told. Um, and will and can't do anything. But that would he was purged because of his political loudmouth.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:52

Dumped is I'd have to say one of it is actually worse than being blacklisted because it means Hollywood is done with you. And you have to restart your career from scratch at a much, much lower level. And usually people who who are dumped, a lot of actually the time that people are end up getting dumped, has a lot more to do about uh being too picky and selective with roles and stuff like that. One of the best examples I can give you is uh Alexa Penavega, who we will only remember from the movie Spy Kids. She was dumped by Hollywood uh about a decade ago because she's so she's obsessively religious. Her nickname is the crazy Christian. Right. Uh she allowed, yeah. She allowed uh her intense Christian beliefs to dictate her career, which made her like absolutely hopeless in Hollywood. And now you're only going to see her on Hallmark Channel.

SPEAKER_01 33:55

Right.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

So that's kind of like the three levels of of how it works. But one of the big reasons um is in the case of Corey Feldman, if you know too much and people with power are aware that you know too much, they will make sure you are out of the spotlight so that you cannot open your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Right. Right. I mean, I I even remember when he was trying to g make his own movie, his own documentary about the abuse, um uh just from his come up in s you know, uh in the 80s. Um and he was being there were times he was being followed, he was being pulled over um by the police, like for, you know, just obscure reasons. Um you know, he'd be uh walking somewhere and a c a vehicle would come kind of charging at him very close, like uh like warning him, you know, and these things were happening and nobody wanted to believe him because he's eccentric. Yes, and sporadic. Yes. He he definitely, you know, has uh a weird, like, you know, the he's not musically inclined and he thinks he is, and okay, whatever. But that doesn't take away his ex lived experience and the things that he's saying, because it's like now everybody is is much more like, oh, we should have listened to him, just like Prince, just like Michael Jackson, and um, you know, where everybody now is like is kind of kicking themselves for not listening.

SPEAKER_04 35:38

Yeah, definitely. Well, truth be told, we might possibly see him uh make some sort of uh comeback appearance because now that Kiwi Kwan is back in the industry and working again, they're pushing really, really hard for a Goonies sequel.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

I saw that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:57

Yes, I uh I I I'm so glad to see him back on the silver screen again. I mean, I grew up with Indiana Jones, and Short Round was always my favorite character in the series. I'm actually writing I'm actually writing a script for a hospital comedy, and I actually want him to be in it. I really want to work with the guy. Yeah, I I think he would like it. It would be a bit of a challenge, but he'd also be able to display a little bit of himself within it, which is kind of my ultimate goal. But talking about Corey Feldman, let's walk into like the uh the Hollywood underworld and stuff like that. Now, here's the thing about Corey Feldman speaking out. Um, he was right to do so because as we all know, Weinstein, the Weinstein scandals would open the floodgates to the havoc, um, rape, abuse, and uh extreme misconduct uh that was occurring within uh Hollywood. And of course, now we know, like with Diddy and stuff, this also was in the music industry. Of course, frankly, I think that Diddy was a thousand times worse than Weinstein. Uh but the reality is this is not new. This is very, very old. This has been going on since the golden age of Hollywood, or actually, as they referred to it, the Dak days of Hollywood, uh, with uh uh Miss uh Miss Judy Garland.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

Yeah. If you hear, if you know enough about the Wizard of Oz, I mean, uh the director would touch her in inappropriate areas, primarily around her breasts when the camera wasn't filming. Uh the Munchkins groped her on multiple occasions. Um, and of course, her mother, who she called the real Wicked Witch of the West, did awful, treated her terribly. Right. This this isn't new. I mean, Marilyn Monroe openly admitted to once giving a guy a blowjob just so that she could get a role in a film.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And and just speaking of Judy Garland again, um, her the working conditions were were insane for her. Yes. Like not even just the the inappropriate, you know, the sexual harassment and the abuse that she was dealing with, but you know, the the long hours and she, you know, she was a child. And, you know, just not even being given any kind of breaks and things like that. It's just absolutely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 38:28

No, and most child stars like end up failing miserably. I mean, if you don't believe me, uh what they go through, you should see it's uh it's on um, I think it's on, I believe it's on Max. It's called Quiet on Set. Uh it's about, yes, that one was definitely eye-opening and brilliant. Uh and uh well, now we know why Jeanette McCurdy made her uh wrote her book, I'm glad my mom died.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 39:00

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

Yes. And there was another movie, or I don't know if it was a documentary technically, but um An Open Secret.

SPEAKER_04 39:09

I think I've heard of that one.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

Yeah, that was one I don't remember what year it was was made, but it was just uh really uh someone, you know, a couple people in the Hollywood industry that decided to speak out about the abuse that was going on, primarily, I believe, with children. And there is actual footage in in that documentary of like w one child star in particular w recorded a privately, like without him the other guy knowing, a conversation that he had with his, I believe it was his manager, talking about how he was abusing him sexually and he didn't want it to continue. And this was all on tape and it was you know in this um documentary. So of course, you know, they did not want that to be released, but it it was. Um, you know, a lot of these people did not want, of course, did not want to be named. They wanted the people who were saying, you know, saying, hey, this happened to me. So I can only imagine how scary that that is.

SPEAKER_04 40:25

And I definitely feel like it's it's much, much tougher for for children. I mean, even Kiwi Kwan has admitted it's such a difficult transition from being a child star to being like in the big leagues. Uh so I think so there's a part of him that seems somewhat grateful that he took his like 20-year hiatus from the industry. He actually said that the movie that made him make dis make the decision to walk back in was uh Crazy Rich Asians, which he said he saw three times he said he saw three times in theaters and he cried his eyes out each time, not because of how good a movie it was, but he's like because I wanted to be on screen with all of those other Asian actors. Oh wow. Mind you, I mean, the guy started out in the 80s, and it was a very different time and era. And unless you were probably working in like Japanese or Korean cinema at the time, it was very tough for um, especially a child, uh to really make a staple for themselves unless they had that kind of like uh more thorough experience, being people like Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, uh Michelle Yo, d etc. Yeah. So so it was a different time and the industry has definitely shifted a lot, but it hasn't changed at the same time as we're about to talk about. And there are so many, there's definitely a lot of similarities between with Weinstein and Diddy, primarily in regards to the people who knew who keep kept their mouths shut. Because once again, those people were nobodies at the time. Now they are some of the most powerful men in Hollywood, the ones and I mean Tom Hanks openly said, yeah, everyone knew. Everyone knew what he was doing. Uh and Alec Baldwin was the same way. Um, Denzel hasn't talked too much, but he he definitely knew things were going on that just weren't right. Um but I mean he's Denzel Washington. He's got legendary status and stuff. So I'm sure he's seen a lot of with his uh his career spanning as far as it has, I'm sure he's seen even far worse things uh happen behind closed doors. But the ones who have spok who spoke out who, and everybody is definitely uh chastised them about it, are now three of the most powerful men in Hollywood, and that would have to be Matt Damon, George Clooney, and the one who knew everything but refuses to speak out, Quentin Tarantino.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

Because Tarantino's girlfriend was actually a victim of Weinstein's, and she told him.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:16

The reason Tarantino kept his mouth shut was because at the time, of course, Miramax was the powerhouse of production companies back in the 90s and early 2000s. Matt Damon said that's where everyone was going to to make good movies. It was the hub. Um, but Merrimax was also the only production company that would buy any one of Tarantino's scripts. So he knew that if he said anything or said it the wrong way, he was never gonna work again. And I mean, Matt Damon and George Clooney, they've openly made it clear they s they owe their careers to Harvey Weinstein. I mean Goodwill hunting from dusk till dawn. Um that same deal. They were nobodies at the time. They did not have that level of power and influence that they do today. Uh yeah, because Matt Damon said, like, I and this was even from the get-go, he's like, I knew he was an asshole. He was proud of it. Um, he said, It took about five minutes for you to realize like uh that he was a bully, that he was mean, that he didn't treat people particularly well. Um, and the real question was always for him and others, is like, could you survive? Could you survive just one meeting with Harvey?

SPEAKER_00 44:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 44:41

Yeah. And George George Clooney said that Harvey would actually tell him uh stories, elaborate stories about women he'd had affairs with, and that irked him on strong levels because his biggest fear was these may have been actresses that he was close friends with.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:05

And I think even that somebody has the audacity to brag about having an affair with an A-list actress uh the way he would have, um, that that that's that probably definitely disgusted him on deep levels.

SPEAKER_01 45:20

Yeah. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah. Because, you know, it's interesting the reaction of people hearing when when the men say, you know, that this is what Harvey Weinstein was doing, versus the women that he actually did did something to when they come forward and say, look, this was what happened to me. And then they're pretty much ridiculed, you know, in the beginning, until I guess finally maybe enough people enough women have come forward. I don't I don't really know how it works.

SPEAKER_04 46:01

Yeah, and and not many women have really come forward. Uh I mean, I feel like some are starting to speak out a bit louder, but when all of this went down with the whole Me Too movement, you weren't gonna see really any interviews with women talking about that. And I can't exactly understand why. I'm like, now is your time, now is your perfect opportunity to be open and vocal about it.

SPEAKER_01 46:28

Um I think what happened, and this, you know, I could be wrong, but I remember Rose McGowan being kind of the first woman to really.

SPEAKER_04 46:39

I think I heard about that.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

Yeah, to to really say anything. And I don't know if it was because maybe she wasn't taken seriously as an actress or you know, because I I I I I want to say she was the one who dated Marilyn Manson for a while or something, but I d I don't know. People just I don't think took her seriously, and it's a shame. But I think that that is what scared the other women, um, and they were very hesitant to come forward. But every once in a while someone would. I know, I believe Ashley Judd and um Mira Sorvino and maybe Gwyneth Powtrow.

SPEAKER_04 47:21

Uh Gwyneth doesn't really speak out too much. And I think maybe that also has to do with her reputation being tarnished the way it has been. I know that Lady Gaga, even though she was not a Hollywood name yet, uh, she has openly talked about and done interviews about what she had endured over the years, and she just fell apart. She was in tears, couldn't really keep it together when she was talking. So that really sets the tone of knowing what kind of gruesome abuse that they have been through. And it's pretty evident that they don't like having to relive it or reflect upon it. I mean, you want to throw the past behind you, uh, but it um it does it it sticks with you, and it's so, so tough to flush out of your system because like uh I've told my story on the Was I in a Cult podcast on my own podcast. Like I was a member of a theater cult uh when I was young. Yes, yeah. So I was a lot of stuff that we have seen with Weinstein, I was exposed to some similarities to it uh when I was as young as 14 years old. And this is it, I mean, I didn't really learn the terrible truth until I was 28. And all of this had already come out by that point, but I had been so shunned and flushed in the dark that I really did not know anything. And I I told people that when I learned everything and everything unfolded that I now do know now, it um it was like a Pandora's box exploded in my face. And uh and like all the red flags that I should have seen, that I should have understood the abuse I went through, which was I was pinned in a position where I was forced to tears on more than one occasion, it just like it it hit me in the face. It's it's a lot to soak in. Um, it really is. Because of because of that experience, I cannot watch the move. I will no longer watch the movie Midsommar.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Uh wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

Yeah, when you uh you've been in a cult watching that brought back, it just started triggering memories that I have tried to get rid of for such a long time. But the thing is, I also tell people this. Um, I would not be where I am today had I not made the decisions I made back then. But it came at a price. And that price was trauma. Years of coping with it, still kind of grappling with it to this day. But I'm also sort of grateful for it. And the reason I'm grateful is because I learned about the Hollywood underworld and what really happens behind closed doors, like before all of this came out, before I even like really worked walked into the industry. So I do feel that having experienced that kind of helped give me a suit of armor that I could wear, and also a bit of a compass to guide me to know, okay, these are some of the things that definitely happen within this industry, but you've lived it, you're a veteran of battling it before you can take it on now. So there's a part of me that's grateful for, but a part of me at the same time that still struggles to reflect with it because it it's it really is and it and only like one only two women uh from that group have been vocal about it, have spoken out because uh one of the uh the the the one of the uh the the second victim um it it's been over a decade and last time I heard she is only just now coming down to earth and sinking back in with normality. The f the first major victim, she's actually writing a memoir, which I cannot wait till that hits the bookshelves. Uh I'm definitely gonna read it and I'm sure also it will bring justice to what we went through. I myself am actually beginning writing a uh a script uh about it. I actually um uh had to, I was at a uh awake uh one of the group members, her mother died uh uh recently. And uh even though like uh there was only her and one other person there, I actually uh decided to ask one of them, the the the other girl, her blessing for writing this. Because I do feel that I myself, with a lot of what I went through and what I know, and also kind of because I was people have heard my story on this podcast. And for those who have listened to was I in a cult, my the story I told, uh, I was ultimately scapegoated for uh all of the things, the awful things that he did, um uh which really burned me inside and made me feel guilty, even though people told me you do not need to feel guilty. I'm like, somebody has to take the blame. And with that level of manipulation, I really do feel like I am the one to take the blame. So I felt like I had kind of a uh a responsibility and an obligation not just to tell our story, but also to do it in a poetic way that could bring justice to everything we went through. So that's one of the reasons. But also I made sure to ask their blessing because I don't want them to like, I know, maybe one day see it hit the silver screen and be like, wait a second, that's about us? Yeah, so I'm trying to kind of give them a heads up, be like, are you okay with this?

SPEAKER_01 53:35

Yeah. I love that though, that you're doing that.

SPEAKER_04 53:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

And uh, you know, I'm I'm curious your your opinion on this too, or just your your take on it, is you know, we're talking about Harvey Weinstein and just the Hollywood um open secret. And you you were just talking about, you know, a theater cult. And now when we, you know, in this day and age with the internet being what it is, just so much more than what it even was 20 years ago. Um I feel like it's it's even more dangerous and more easier for um young people to be susceptible to cults and even just any kind of abuse, like being manipulated into abuse. Um, because I know there was one they they did make a documentary about it too. And unfortunately, the name is of it is escaping me right now, but it's a dance cult. Like, you know, the like they make like the people who do just TikTok dances.

SPEAKER_04 54:46

Yep, yes.

SPEAKER_01 54:47

And it's a group of these young, a lot of them were like on so you think you can dance and stuff like that. And they're it's basically in a cult.

SPEAKER_04 54:58

Yes. Uh I mean, yeah, and especially with how the industry is changing and what it is today, where it's where it's shifted. And I don't really love exactly where it shifted because I'm kind of disappointed with this new generation that's coming into the entertainment industry. My wife and I have been watching this wonderful uh eye-opening series on HBO uh called the uh the social media murders. And literally these people who are like TikTok stars and celebrities and stuff, um, like you said, with the internet changing, and also with the internet being as powerful and toxic as it is, they these people, it seems almost like they're impossible it's impossible for them to dodge a bullet and then they end up dead.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

That's yeah. That and I'm I'm gonna look that up because that sounds really interesting. You said the social media murders.

SPEAKER_04 55:53

Yes, yeah.

unknown 55:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 55:55

Look it up on HBO Max. You have to see it. It was it was pretty eye-opening. It really does show the danger and threat level there is when you put your whole life out there.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

Right. Right. And that's the way that what's what makes it so scary is you know, think about how when when the internet first became like a household, was beginning to become a household thing, you know, everyone was the big thing, especially to tell your the children, was, you know, don't give out your personal information, don't tell strangers, you know, your address or where you live or to meet up with them. And now people are putting their whole vibes out on the internet for anybody and everybody to to find them, and I mean making it so easy. And then it's like, well, of course, the number of influencers, if you will, are being, you know, assaulted, murdered, you know, any type of danger because they're putting themselves in more risky situations.

SPEAKER_04 57:08

One of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of TikTok, and I tell people this, is I'm like, it's an obsession. Yeah, it is a massive obsession because these kids, they just live and breathe TikTok. In fact, that's how they make their bank now. Uh people complain about the state of the job market, and it is pretty, pretty bad. I mean, more than 4% of the country is unemployed, and uh uh nobody's hiring except in the uh uh cheap labor market. Uh but the the gross reality is this people can make all of their income through YouTube, Spotify, and TikTok now. That's actually where the money's at. That's the that's the big cash, the uh the online bank, as I like to call it. Right. Um so like obviously they're very clever and intelligent to know that this is how they can make money. Oh, absolutely. Yes, yeah. And I mean, plus, uh statistics show that m a little over 60% of current uh high school attendees have zero plans to go to college uh under any circumstances, uh, which means that university is dying. Yeah, yeah. Part of that also has to do with the fact that how things have changed over the past ten years, like because uh college grads can no longer get jobs anymore, uh, because now employers want experience, not education. I'm like I'm like, not everyone has ex I'll tell you this, that'll backfire. That will backfire at least five years from now. It will literally crush the job market, or at least crush their wallets.

SPEAKER_01 58:50

Yeah. Because you can't, how do you get experience then?

SPEAKER_04 58:53

Exactly. Correct. Right. Like in if you go to college now and you study in a certain field, you actually have to have a job lined up for you the moment you get your diploma in order to actually get out into the workforce.

SPEAKER_00 59:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:08

Yeah, but but no, they're putting their whole lives out there, and that's how they're making their nut. That is how they are raking in the cash. Um, and I mean it's it's but at the same time, it's like Josh Brolin said uh when he was on Grim Bensinger, uh he said he still he still does what he does. He's like for the love of the craft, because he loves movie making and loves acting. He's like this new generation, they just want to get famous.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:41

Yeah, and I I mean the and also like but at the same time, like um, it's it's not working for them. I think what is I believe Robert Downey Jr., one of his it's more of a fear than it is just a prophecy, said like the next generation of actors and performers within this industry are just gonna end up being influencers, and he does not like that at all.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:07

Uh I agree. Yeah, I don't like it either.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:10

No, neither do I, because uh what is it? Many of them will try to get like a pass to go to like these red carpet events, they get the cold shoulder immediately.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:19

Uh yeah, they get the cold shoulder immediately. And even I myself, I mean, I'm I'm I'm fairly new to the industry and stuff like that. I've been like an extra and stuff and done behind the scenes work. What I'm project I'm working on now is like the first big project I've really ever gotten. Um like I I'm the same way. I'm like, you guys are just famous through the internet and on platforms, and even some people have never even heard your name under any circumstances.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:50

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:51

Yeah. So um I feel another thing that will be their downfall with not being able to navigate this industry with everything that we're talking about is their egos are too exploded.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I totally agree. Yeah. And I feel like whether it's music or movies, um the no one is willing to put in the work that everyone always had to do. You know, it's like they just kind of think, well, uh eventually someone will knock on my door, or you know, I just put out the bare minimum and someone will will contact me or find me. And it's like, you know, even some of the the biggest celebrities and musicians that we know of now, they had they had to like basically they were like cold calling, like going door to door, you know, to business to business, to label to label, um, agent to agent, trying to get a gig and or an audition. And having to be told no uh you know a thousand times, and they didn't give up. And now it's like, well, I'll just post videos on TikTok or whatever, and um, it's really sad, I think, that it just it waters it down.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:17

Yeah. Even Nipo babies from that era, too. Yeah. Like I said with Josh Brolin, it took him about a thousand-something auditions before he got the Goonies. And his father, uh James Brolin, his legacy is Amityville Horror. Right. By the way, I prefer the original over the new one. Uh much, much better. Horror was way better back in those days.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:39

I totally agree.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:41

Totally agree with uh Chris Chris Pine. Chris Pine, his father, he's a Nepo baby. His father was in chips. Uh, he before he landed Princess Diaries 2, he had a negative deficit of like 700 something bucks in his bank account and was thousands of dollars in debt to both his parents. Uh so yeah, like it does take a lot of work, effort, and really crunching at the grindstone. And I I always like to tell people like a little bit of it does a stroke of luck uh is definitely uh something that plays a key role. People may not believe that, but luck does uh play a big role in in getting you just have to meet that one right person and exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

Exactly. And there's a lot of talented people that never get discovered.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:32

Yeah, definitely. Oh, most definitely. Yeah, but I feel that um with the egos that these TikTok stars have, that will be their doom in the industry because if you have such an inflated ego and are so much of a narcissist, you become blind to darker realities.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:56

And that makes me concerned for them as to the victims that they will most likely become.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

Yes. Yep. You're absolutely correct. And and that's scary. It's really scary. Um especially for women, but it can happen to men too, of course.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:16

Yes, yes, it can. Yep, yeah. One thing that really seems to baffle me uh about like in regards to like victimhood and in this industry and stuff, like I said, uh Tom Hanks openly came out and said, Yeah, everyone knew what Weinstein was doing back in the day. Then why is it, do you think, that people such as him, like three people who already had a name for themselves when this was going down, who have talked about it, maybe with not as much detail, but I have seen interviews with Tom Hanks, Denzel Washington, and Alec Baldwin. Why do you think, with having the stature that they had at that time, that they would make the decision to keep their mouths shut?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:02

Well, I don't know about Denzel Washington or Alec Baldwin, but there's not a doubt in my mind that Tom Hanks was probably doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:15

You think so?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

I do. Because there have been rumors about him and he and his wife, um, I believe it was just within the last like four or three or four years, the got citizenship, dual citizenship in um oh, I cannot remember what country. I want to say Greece, maybe? Um, don't quote me on that, but I it is a he did get dual citizenship somewhere. And the country that he did pedophilia is considered a mental illness.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

Mm. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

Yeah. So I think because this was when you know, the the Epstein files were first being brought up and talked about that we were finding out about them.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

And the flight logs and things like that. So I think he was getting nervous.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

Um, because from my understanding he is on those flight logs uh more th up there in numbers like higher than most other people.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

Really?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:34

I just they keep saying again and again online he's probably on the list. And that really sets the tone. It says something about how much power that uh Jeff Epstein actually had that we are deeply unaware of. Right. I mean part of that is the fact that he always pled the fifth in his court cases. Um and uh pe there there's what is it? They actually believe that uh there I don't know if it's true or not. It does seem pretty plausible that Donnie Boy in DC is the one who actually uh had him killed wouldn't wouldn't uh shock me, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

Um I I I don't know. I think I think it there's you could probably make a case for a few different people. You know? Um that that would make sense, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:34

I don't know whether it's true or not, but I think from what people are saying is this is that Jeff Epstein had reached a point where he could no longer plead the fifth because too much had been surfacing uh where he knew he would be drowned one way or another. So I think his from what they're saying, his train of thought was this okay, if I'm going down, everyone is sinking on the ship with me. So I think he was like prepared to open his mouth finally and let let the world know about everyone who's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:12

Right. Yeah, right. Yeah, I I think that that is accurate as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:18

But I I I had no idea about Tom Hanks. I really, really didn't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:24

And it's such a shame, isn't it? Like it just just knowing that little bit, because um, you know, of course, we don't know uh every fact, you know, every little thing, but you know, this is someone who everyone is, I mean, he's a household name. Everyone knows him. He's insanely talented. And it it's people like that, people like Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington and all the all the others are you almost as an adult, you start to feel like you know these people in a way because you've seen you know what I mean? And and then so when you hear something like that or you find something out about them uh that comes out, it's it's almost like it it hurts your heart, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:15

Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like what they poked a joke at this in the T in the uh Amazon Prime series, The Boys, which I love a lot. Uh Jensen Ackle's character, of course, is soldier boy who's been frozen in a cryogenic sleep in Russia for uh quite some period of time since the 80s. He's like, Well, Bill Gosby was America's dad, and he would never be caught uh wearing that. And then of course Jack Quaid is like, um, lots of digests there. Funny you should mention that. And he's like, Man, boy, that guy made some strong drinks.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:52

Oh my god. That's the way we look at Tom Hanks.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:58

He is like the uh the the dad of Hollywood, so it's very it's almost impossible for us to digest the idea that he could be entangled within this circle of pedos and rapists and fiends.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it makes me think of like I remember the first time I saw the movie Hostel. And just even realizing uh over the years, even after I saw that movie, but like still thinking about it is that there really are people in the world that have so much money or so much um fame that they don't know what to do with it anymore. Like nothing satisfies them anymore. Um, and they're always looking for that next like thing, that next adrenaline rush or whatever. And unfortunately, there are people that are so sick that they look for, you know, things like you know, buying people, or if they are pedophiles, you know, buying children, or um like the uh I I'm sure you probably heard of like the adrenochrome um you know rumors.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:35

No, that's a new one to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:38

Oh no, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:40

I I don't I don't watch the news anymore. I just can't because it's far too depressing and just makes you feel worse than you are a duck do with the times we're living in. That's that's the number one reason I do not watch the news, is I'm like, I can't tolerate it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:58

Yeah, oh I agree. I totally understand. Well, I'll just give you a real quick and you might even want to put like a quick content warning too, because it is very disturbing. Um, but uh when when we uh get adrenaline through our bodies, the um adrenochrome, which is like the uh I don't know what to call it, the substance that you know we we um manufacture in our bodies. Um apparently that substance, if if you I don't know how, but I however another person would ingest it, they get high off of it. And it's like an insane high. And um apparently children's adrenochrome is be the best. And the best way to get adrenochrome is by is when the person is the per the reason that they're pumping so much adrenaline is from fear. So when you have when you think of things like Epstein's Island, there were a percentage, or if you know, I don't know how it worked out, but some children were used for that purpose.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:24

That's disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:26

It is disgusting. That is disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:29

Yeah, and and also what you said about like these people who have got so much money and kind of gotten bored. My wife actually mentioned that to me, and it definitely got me thinking. She's like, think about it. They've been to Greece, they've been to Italy, they've traveled the world for making all these movies and stuff. They've got enough money that they're set for life. What more do they have to do?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:50

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:51

So, yes, so they have these underground, like, but I'm like, of all things, like, why would you want to like dabble in these underground sex parties and stuff like that as a means to like enjoy your spare time? Like, there are far better things to do. I'm sure you weren't able to see all of Italy when you just went and filmed The Passion of the Christ. I'm sure you weren't able to explore every corner of New Zealand when you filmed Lord of the Rings. Well, actually, I might be wrong on that one, truth be told. Because Carl Urban himself said that when they were making like two towers in Return of the King, he said, I saw more of my country making the in those two years making those films than I did in all my years living there.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:40

And wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:41

Yeah. And he's he's he's a Kiwi. He's from Wellington, New Zealand.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:46

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:48

Yeah. So I mean it it does I mean, but New Zealand's a very small country. And it's just I actually considered uh moving there, truth be told.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:02

I uh with everything in the the political landscape that's suffocated and destroyed this country uh over the past ten years, I myself had was putting together my own game plans, like skip country and stuff like that. I was like, I'm either gonna stay in the Western hemisphere, a place that has a stable economy, uh universal healthcare system, good movie industry, which was to uh make my way to Montreal, Quebec, and Canada, or I'm like, or I'm just gonna get as far away from the United States as I can and only come back if necessary, and that was to go to uh New Zealand, which has a phenomenal uh movie uh industry. And also what I loved about New Zealand is that it's a country where violence doesn't exist, except in Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:54

Yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:56

Interesting. Yeah, but uh but it it still baffles me. Yeah, they've yes, they've been to all these uh exotic places to make movies and stuff, yet this is how you spend your spare time, this is your satisfaction. And I mean, it it does make sense what you said with the drug thing because drugs have been a um a problem, a disgrace, and the downfall of so many people in the industry for the longest period of time. I mean, what is it? Danny Trejo said that back in 85, when he first like was getting into the game, that cocaine was rampant throughout Hollywood. He said he would go into offices and there was lines of coke and production off his desks.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:43

Yeah, I believe it. Yeah. I I think though, like when when you and I have a conversation about that, and and we look at it as like, that's so insane. Like, that's what you want to do with your wealth, that's what you want to do to bide your time. But we're looking at it from a completely different lens. Again, this is not to make excuses. I'm just saying that we are we live a different life. We live we are in a different world. And these a lot of these people were probably subjected to some very dark things at at early ages. Um and so, you know, sometimes those types of things of abuse kind of alter the way their brain waves and the way they think. And you know, they they might feel like this is that it makes sense to them or that it excites them in some way. It lights something up for them, even though it's disgusting and it's wrong. Yeah. But we can't relate to that.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:58

True. Yeah. Like, well, I I mean, I kinda can. Like I said, I uh I'm glad I was subjected to that level of uh unnecessary activity in the industry when I was young because it helped me uh better understand why I could be getting myself into because I spent my uh afterwards, like I didn't surrender myself to hard drugs. I know that some people uh like drown their problems in marijuana or even experienced experimented with like uh uh opioids and stuff. But me, what I did was I I tell people how I drowned my problems in caffeine. I spent my twenties. I would drink eight to ten cups of coffee a day. And I did it not because I knew it wasn't good for me. I I knew it was killing my cardio system and that it would backfire. People would always say, How have you not had a heart attack yet? I'm like, I'm drinking it because I like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:49

I'm doing it because it makes me feel good for some reason. It just numbs the pain. So I can kind of relate on a certain level. You definitely need like getting that that high or or that rush. Um, even if it's just for like a couple of seconds or a couple of minutes, it makes everything, all the hardship, all the pain in your system evaporate so that you don't have to think about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:19

Right. Right. And then you just kind of chase that feeling.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:23

Yeah, most definitely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:28

And if you folks want to chase after something and uh listen in, open your ears, even open your eyes on YouTube, uh and you just want to support this podcast or have a chance to be a guest on the show, you can follow me on Instagram at ATK Media or check me out on YouTube at chatterbox-94. Don't forget to like, subscribe. You can leave your thoughts in the comments section below. You can DM me via Instagram, and you can tune in, listen to me. I'm on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, wherever it is you get your podcasts from. Also, don't forget, don't forget to check out Jojo's podcast, No Hard Feelings Kinda. Uh, you can also follow her on Instagram at NHFK Podcast or No Hard Feelings Kinda uh at uh at YouTube, uh, preferably YouTube, because seems to me like that's where we get more of our popularity, to be honest. And then that's another thing, too, about this new generation. When people ask what is their favorite thing to watch, they always say YouTube. That is the number one answer. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:34

Also, I'm kind of disgraced with YouTube, uh, or at least upset about it, because I don't like the commercials anymore. I'm sick of it. I miss the old YouTube. I miss it when we didn't have commercials and stuff. I mean, I'm glad that movies are free on YouTube now. That's actually great. But I'm like, yeah, cut out the ads and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:55

Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:57

Yes. Um well, it was definitely great having you as a guest. And I would love to be a guest on your podcast if you ever find the right subject matter. I'm all about movies, mayhem, millennial madness, and like the ins and outs of the media industry. People think I just do movie criticism. Like, no, I I dive way deeper than that. I like to talk about everything within entertainment, uh, both the good and the ill. In this case, what we're talking about the ill, the really, really ill, sick terminal.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:32

Absolutely. Yes, you will definitely um have to come on on my podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:37

Yes, yes. Uh thank you, Jojo. Uh, you've been a wonderful guest.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:41

Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. This was really a a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:45

Yes, yes, yes. I'm glad. I'm glad. And hope to be a guest soon. So, till next time, folks. Stay high on life. Out.