The New Life Podcast
The New Life Podcast is hosted by Pastors Devon Patton and Luke Evans. Two pastors. One decade apart. Both Pastor's kids who grew up together and now serve side by side - one as a youth pastor, the other an associate pastor. Each episode they dig into Scripture, share real ministry experiences, and teach to help others grow in their daily walk with God.
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The New Life Podcast
Qualified By God (Ep. 34)
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In this episode, Pastors Luke Evans and Devon Patton discuss the story of John baptizing Jesus and the struggle many people face when they feel unqualified for what God has called them to do. They talk about overcoming doubt, trusting God’s purpose, and recognizing that God often uses people who don’t feel ready for the task before them.
Hello!
SPEAKER_03Welcome to the New Life Podcast. Oh man, we're already excited and ready to go, so we hope that you are as well. It's gonna be a great day. It really is. I was thinking about it this morning because we're getting ready to prepare for our podcast, as uh you guys know I often do. Just these other guys don't show up, but yeah. I think about it constantly. Um and I was like, what are we gonna do when we get to like episode 52 or whatever, like where we're at a year. Episode 500. I got a plan. You got a plan for a one-year anniversary episode.
SPEAKER_01That'll be so fun. Because normally you would want to do like 50, like that's the milestone, but 52 is.
SPEAKER_03But 52 is the year, so I think that that'd be sweet. But that's what you're saying, like we gotta do something. It's gotta be special. Something planned. He's already got something planned. But based on his notes for this episode, we're gonna say probably doesn't.
SPEAKER_00R. Episode 34, letter R. Yeah, really? No, he did, he did. He had some notes and some ideas of what we were doing.
SPEAKER_03Scrap them and I said, Forget about it. I got a better idea. Can't wait. I'll share my fun fact first today because it's not that fun. I know it's just a fact. Our fun facts. I was thinking about this the other day. There's like weird stuff, obviously, in all of our lives and things that we like really like. Like, you don't know why you really like it or like what the reason is behind it, but I love candles. Like, you know, I light a candle almost every day. That was actually something that like when I first started working here, we kind of like bonded over. He was like, Oh, nice, you like candles. Really connected. Yeah, and got me my job, actually. Um, but you talk about my you whenever you say things like that, you talk like you haven't known my dad since you were 18 months old. Like he talks about him, like yeah, when I started working here, like me and me and Uncle Mark really. Yeah, I do call him Uncle Mark. You've known him here in time. I'm a 31-year-old man, he's not my uncle.
SPEAKER_00Uh dude, all right, so never mind. Moving on. But I love candles.
SPEAKER_03Like the other day, Nicole sent me, my wife, she sent me to the store to pick something up, like TJ Maxx to try and find something. She was going to a like a party, and she was like, Hey, I need a gift for this event that I'm going to. Like, can you just go find it? And like, I immediately like went to the candle section, and I'm like, Well, I'm buying a new candle, I want a new candle. And you picked out a good gift? I didn't. She ended up needing anything, so I just got the candle instead. Um, but it was great, but it's like I just love it. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna look up the city. You could really get lost in the candles at TJ Maxx and places like that. And they got a lot. They got a lot, and they had them like color coordinated and everything. Oh that's great. I love that. And it was great, but I mean, some of them just look super girly, but I'm like, I don't care, it smells nice. You don't get a head. As long as it smells good. You don't get a head from what, candles? From like in no the candle section. Absolutely not. I'm in heaven. Okay. It's the greatest place. Serenity by Jan. I love it. Sand and James. Bonfire. Alright, go ahead. Um, and so obviously they don't know when candles like first became like a thing because they're super old. People were. You've seen it on Prince of Egypt, right? You guys have seen that? Yes. I have. 3000 BC. The first candles, though, they were not great, obviously. They're just soaked in animal fat. They're using these wreaths. They smoked greatly. Like they were very, very a lot of smoke. They were dripping the animal fat, like hot animal fat, off of it constantly, and then they smelled terrible. Hot animal fat. That sounds so gross.
SPEAKER_00Like a really attractive animal. Yeah. No, no, that's not it. Not it.
SPEAKER_03And then, so obviously, we've grown a lot when it comes to our candle making today. Do you I mean, you obviously you want to guess like what most of them are made out of today? Wax. Obviously, wax. Beeswax? Beeswax is a huge one. You guys seen like a lot of people have moved forward from the water. And what we've learned about bees, they still are hot animal feds. They are hot animals. Um, wait. What? Wait, let me go. Wait, what? Uh soy and then paraffin are how they are. Aren't the soy ones the ones you shouldn't be burning in your hand? I don't know, because I was thinking about that too. Yeah, I think there's there's the ones that are good. The paraffin ones, maybe. Because they make like vegan candles, so that's the ones that don't have bees waxed. I think you're right. But the other ones, the paraffin ones are like petroleum-based candles. So maybe that's the bad one. Yeah, that's probably the bad one. So you probably should want to be clear. And then this last little fact about candles is every candle is actually briefly creating tiny diamonds. Think about that. Microcarbon particles burn away almost instantly in the flame, but scientists have been able to find them in the soot under extreme microscopes.
SPEAKER_01So there's money to be made there.
SPEAKER_03There's money to be made. We need to harvest these candle diamonds. I'm sitting on a wall. How about all the movies like where they are like in a cave or in the woods and all of a sudden it's like, oh, look at this stick with a cloth around it, and let me light this on the room. Yeah, they need to be soaked in some animal fat. Yeah. That's how it would burn. It wouldn't just burn. Yeah, it would just burn up in a cell. Yeah, you gotta burn something. Yeah, the cloth on it would be donezo. So animal the animal fat must last longer. Hot animal fat. It'll stay with you. Like in the treasure room in national at the end of National Treasure. Yeah, dude. Like all that liquid that's in there. Hit it with the fire. That must have been hot animal fat. Yeah, that's hot. Animal fat. You haven't seen National Treasure? I thought you guys did it at a movie night. Oh, that was night at the museum. Listen, it's our 250th birthday as a nation. Yeah, you call yourself.
SPEAKER_01You need to watch National Treasure. Not yet. Got a couple more weeks.
SPEAKER_02It has all the American history kind of blended. Blended is completely historically accurate, too.
SPEAKER_03Is it? No. Yeah. Oh okay. Yeah, there's a secret map on the back of the declaration. There's a treasure room under that church on uh Greenwich Aven the city. That's like the first 10 minutes of the movie. What? Also, it's 20 years old.
SPEAKER_00What did he say? He was like, spoilers. Yeah, the movie's 35 years old.
SPEAKER_03Alright, well, there you go. I told you it wasn't that fun, but it is what it is. You should make a candle.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but I like how I have.
SPEAKER_03I like when we learn something and then you get to put the pieces together to figure out other things. So now we know that vegan candles are not the beeswax ones. I'm pretty sure that's soy. Well, we've come to that. We've come to the conclusion. We've come to the conclusion that that's what it is. I'm sure some vegan tiny diamonds in all of your candles. Tiny diamonds? Have you ever seen trolls? No, probably not. No. Could you ever go vegan? Dude, heck no. Nicole was telling me, because obviously I'm always battling with uh I could, dude. But like shrimp health issues, right? I'm always like, something's going on. She was like, you probably it's my gut, right? Like obviously with this meat and that I'm dealing with. And she was like, would you try that? Like go vegan for like a month and just see what happens? I'm like, no. Couldn't do it. I don't think I could do it. No. My nephew's what would I have to eat? Nothing? Like rabbit's food for lunch.
SPEAKER_00Like, can vegans have like peanuts and stuff?
SPEAKER_03Yes. Uh I don't know. Yes. But like all. You're basically eating everything that you're eating is issued. I can't have any animals though. No milk, no cheese, no eggs, no meat.
SPEAKER_01Rhesus cups? Yeah, no meat, poultry, seafood, dairy, eggs, or beef. What are you eating?
SPEAKER_03Just lettuce every day? No, well, like my nephew's my nephew's vegan. They make like vegan-based protein so. So like she'll make them like vegan pizza, and it's like, you know, wheat flour and fake cheese and stuff like that. Is it good? Tomatoes. Honestly, the vegan pizza she makes slaps. Nowadays it's probably a lot easier than also they have these little uh these little chocolate, they're called Abe's or something. They're like these little chocolate muffins that you can buy at Whole Foods and stuff. They're vegan. They're pretty good, I'm not gonna lie. But I could never do it for like as a lifestyle. We were watching something the other day, and it was like me and oh, me and Drew, when we went to the museum the other day, and it was like, man, that had to be the worst. Like back in the like colonial times, like that had to be the worst time to live.
SPEAKER_00Oh, like based on like a lot of stuff, but like they're eating like soup, porridge every day for their entire life. Like they never you live 30 years, maybe, because everybody was dead back then. Well, yeah, you get you get a fever, you're dead. Yeah, dude, it's like you're eating maybe in the spring you get a fresh apple for two weeks, and then the rest of them are.
SPEAKER_03Like all the frontier shows. Like I love, I love a good frontier show. Like when they you know, we're just discovering the West and moving, but it's like every time I watch one of those, I'm like, that would have to be the worst time to live. Like literally, everyone's trying to kill you, take your land, you get a fever, poly, like whatever. Like you're doing the common cold, you're done. You're dead. Yeah. Everything's trying to kill you, animals are trying to eat you. Man. And you're eating porridge every day. And you're eating porridge every day. What's this time period? Colonial. Like they eat 1773. The gold rush, like frontier, 1864.
SPEAKER_01Common meal. Life expectancy is 30 to 40 years. Boom, dude.
SPEAKER_03Horrible time to live. Horrible time to live. Getting a bow and arrow through the chest.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Wow, that's crazy though. It's a lot of it is like children not making it. Yeah, that's why. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's why they had so many kids. Bro, you ever s experienced the winter in Utah in a log cabin? Like you're cooked, bro. Yeah. You're legit. You're dead. They were all trying to get to California and they could never make it.
SPEAKER_01Couldn't get through the winters.
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SPEAKER_01In New England colonies, a milder climate and cleaner drinking water meant life expectancies was 60s to 70s. Yeah. But what was there?
SPEAKER_03Like on the frontier, what's an average meal? I would I'd be curious. Like rabbit. Rabbit stew over a fire. Mima made a mean rabbit stew last night.
SPEAKER_02Plus, how many? That's the thing, right?
SPEAKER_03Is like how many rabbits are we even like catching at this point? You know what I mean? Like how good how good of a hunter are you, and how far do you have to go? That's what I need to do is a primitive diet for a month and see what I'm saying. Well you should you should you should go, what is it? Prime what's it called? Primal. What's it or whole 30? No. What's that? No, the uh carnivore. Carnivore. Just meat, just chicken. You can't eat either of those. I can eat chicken. Chicken and shrimp. Meat and you should do the meat and fruit. That's another one of meat and fruit. That's the whole 30, right? No, whole th whole 30 is anything from nature, basically. So you can eat like nuts, greens, beans. That's v like anything that no, because you can eat meat on whole 30. Oh, okay. Alright, tell us, Mateo. Uh wait, let me give mine really quick because yours. Wait, we're still on this topic. No, no, it's just I thought you meant you're asking a meal.
SPEAKER_01Uh leftover porridge. Porridge. This is the average meal? Yeah. Bread or cornmeal mush sweetened with molasses. That's disgusting. Everything's mushy. Frequently accompanied with small beer or hard cider. So they're just eating the worst in the world they ever pulled.
SPEAKER_02They're just eating mush, absolutely hammered drunk all the time. Just trying to make it.
SPEAKER_00The only way to get through life before I gotta go work another 16 hours tomorrow on the farm.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, to make maybe survive or get my head blown off by a shotgun because somebody steals my land.
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SPEAKER_03That's wild, dude. Wild. Wild times. Wild times, dude. We are thankful for all the people who came before us that week that we get to live in the America that we get to live in. Am I right? Amen, brother. Yeah. Is this coming out July 4th week? No. Oh. No. We need to do a we should do an American podcast for the July 4th week. Bringing a bald eagle. 250 years. It's a big one, guys. 250. 250. 250 years, man. 1776. I mean, compared to some of these other nations, though. Yeah, it's like nothing. Fairly new. But we're the best, so. Number one. Number one. But also probably not like world rankings, right? Who's who's better than us? I mean, are we talking like academia military? Like we have the best here. Do we? Number one, rank. Plus, we're free. We spend power rankings on ESPN, please. I'm sure China's economy's better, but they're communists. Like they don't get to, you know. Well, we we We're probably killing it in like drinking water. I don't even know who to check. Yeah, but the but see that's the ranking.
SPEAKER_00Switzerland's number one, dude?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Switzerland's beautiful, but Switzerland's like the size of New Jersey. When did they get the number one spot? Why is it only Europe? Why? Yeah. Because they're all small. US is Singapore. Yeah, but look at the populations. Dude, we're not even cracking the top 20. 18. 18?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but they're all this is this is subjective.
SPEAKER_03They're all small Scandinavian countries. That one. That was all small Scandinavian countries. France? No, France was further down. The top five was like not than us. It was like Switzerland, Netherlands. Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway. It's all it's all the metric would be so proud. Yeah, and what also what list is this? I don't know. That's what I'm saying. It's the top ten list of Airbnbs. Where's to live, alphabetical order?
SPEAKER_00United States is 743. Right there.
SPEAKER_01United States, number one. This is by GDP. This is by metric. Gross domestic product. Oh. Yeah, we produce the most. So what does that mean?
SPEAKER_03We have the most money, the most people, the most we got it all. Best military. Who cares about this? China has the biggest.
SPEAKER_01What is like the we spend the amount on our military by like three? What is it? The US spends on their military more than the next 27 countries combined. And rightfully so. We will be protected.
SPEAKER_03You guys don't know that to be true. I think what we need to do is just take a long look in the mirror as a country and say, how do we be more like Sweden? Apparently.
SPEAKER_00That's the problem. Is that a American article?
SPEAKER_03We're trying to make ourselves look better. I say we're even lower than 18. And I love America. That's crazy. But I'm telling you, Sweden. You have to factor in. That's a lot of people.
SPEAKER_02There's almost as many people in New York City as Sweden.
SPEAKER_03You have to factor in. No, there's like 8 million people in New York City, isn't there? Yeah. Nice. Snipe. This guy knows his populations. That's what I'm saying. When you factor it all in of how how many people are in the United States, okay, so of the power five, right? What's that? Russia, China, US, Mexico, England. France. Australia. But even England and France. Like the France is like the size of Pennsylvania, dude. Alright, so China, Russia, us. Big three. Are we the third? Those are the three big powers, I would think. But look at those old war ones are, and look at us. If there was a war, those. If you were picking teams for a battle, those would be the top three picks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, probably. And the scary part is that China and Russia will be a team.
SPEAKER_04But we're number one boy. We're number one.
SPEAKER_03That's why we spend so much on our military. So don't even think about it. Oh, dude. Russia, China. It's like this. Don't. You heard me. Don't.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we're gonna get a suspicious comment in YouTube, just like in Russian. Yeah, probably.
unknownRussia YouTube channel.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. We're cooked.
SPEAKER_03This message is from the Kremlin. Heard you guys were talking about us. We'd like to give you a hundred bucks to sponsor us on the next uh pod. The red square. You take it? I think that's where a bunch of people got murdered, dude. Oh that's crazy.
SPEAKER_00That's the gulag.
SPEAKER_03No, that's from Call of Duty.
SPEAKER_00That's Siberia. Yeah, what do you think it's based off of? Alright, here we go.
SPEAKER_03Nobody cares about my fun fact anymore. Nobody's listening anymore. No, you're right. You're right.
SPEAKER_01Oh, what is your fun fact?
SPEAKER_03Except those Chinese spies. Um my nobody is listening anymore because my fun fact, it's not really a fun fact either, it's more knowledgeable fact that uh recent scientific studies have shown that the human attention span is now shorter than a goldfish. Nine seconds.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's probably pretty accurate. Nine seconds is a little longer than I thought, to be honest. I'm not even fighting that. I'm out. You've seen like uh there's like clips on like Instagram and TikTok where it's like you'll see someone speaking, and then to the right of it is like subway surfers, like someone playing a game so like you can keep your attention.
SPEAKER_03That works. It does work. You're like watching, yeah. I got you.
SPEAKER_01I saw someone do a sermon like that. Like they had subway surfers behind them on the screen and they were just preaching.
SPEAKER_03I bet it'd work. I'm willing to try it. And youth, yeah. Anything to get these kids to pay attention. Um, yeah, I'd say it's pretty accurate, nine seconds. Because like the videos, even like that's the social media. Like watching full sporting events without touching your phone. Without well, just like sitting and watching the whole thing is gonna become obsolete eventually because people will just wait and see the highlights. Speak for yourself.
SPEAKER_01I do that with shows too.
SPEAKER_03Like I just watch one minute clips.
SPEAKER_01Oh no, I do that too.
SPEAKER_03How many are in a day, brother? What's your fun fact, Museum?
SPEAKER_01I'm right, by the way. We were talking about this before we went on the year. Let's hear it. The year 2013 is the first year since 1987 in which all four digits are different. So 1987, the year after that, is 88. 88, 89, 1989. About 2014. That's after. He said 2013. I see your 2013. Yeah, I guess you're right.
SPEAKER_03I thought when you initially said it, I thought you were saying like ever. I'm like, there's no way.
SPEAKER_01No, I thought he was saying everybody's talking about.
SPEAKER_03So the 2000s and so basically it's it's only be between those two dates because that's the way the numbers align. Like obviously after 2000, so it's 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, on the Mayan calendar. So it probably starts over again. Yeah, when 2020. 2020. No. No, it won't un again until 20.
SPEAKER_01Dude. My brain just explodes. The next one would be 2034 till 2043. Yeah, so it's the same same period.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I don't know. I'm really interested. Devin his head is spinning right now. Won't happen again until 9103. All right. So today. Moving on. Attention spin. Uh today, again, we had this idea. Mateo came up with a great idea. It's a hard we Mateo had this idea of what we should be talking about and what he wanted to talk about, and I said, Nope. We're not doing that. Um, no, no, you actually didn't say anything. You just walked in. I just walked in and was like, this is what we're talking about today. But again, there's different things throughout our lives as pastors, as Christians, believers, that like when we're reading and studying God's Word, or we're talking about God's Word, or like us, we're preparing for a sermon, or we're doing something, we're in God's Word and we're reading and studying, but it feels like, oh, this is this like grabs our attention, or this feels like, even though I've read it a thousand times, this is something that is new to me, or or I thought was interesting. Um, and so the story that I thought was kind of cool that I wanted to kind of share is in Matthew chapter three. Um it's a story of Jesus being baptized by John the Baptist. Um, and so you guys have heard this before, you might have read it in a different gospel that gives a little bit more detail. Um, but there's just a few things that in in John chapter three we learn about like who John the Baptist was. Like the dude's a wild man. Like he it says here, like John wore a garment of camel's hair and a leather belt around his waist, and his food was locusts and wild honey. Mountain man. He's a mountain man, right? And so like it's just like who John the Baptist is first and foremost. Um, is just like that. Like it's somebody who's again, he's out in the wild. This is just who he he was who he was, but he's used by God, and it's recorded here in Matthew um about that. And so to just kind of like give a little background, like John. The Baptist comes and like he's called, right? Like he's a prophet, like they like he's there to to baptize, he's there to push forward again these prophecies and these things that God is telling him. Um, but it seems like in the words that he's using, like he's very like harsh, like you know what I mean, like he's very straightforward. Like he's for sure. Like in verse 7 it says, But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come, but bear fruit in keeping with repentance, and to not presume to say to yourselves, Well, we have Abraham as our father, for I tell you, God is able from among these stones to raise up children for Abraham. And so it's like, even now the axe is laid at the root of the trees. He's like, he's calling them vipers, he's telling him he's gonna chop down any trees that don't bear fruit. Like the dude's coming through, and he's just ready to rip. Like, and it's it's good. It's what in the Old Testament we see these judges and we see these people that come and they speak for God, and that's what they're doing, right? Like, for those of you who don't know, like Jesus is constantly battling throughout his ministry with these Pharisees who think that, well, they know the law, they they of course they know the law, but Jesus came to to again save us from the law, save us from our sins, and to to offer us grace and salvation, but he's just there and he's he's prophesying. And so in verse 13 is 13, 14, and 15 is what I wanted to talk about today because I just thought it was interesting. Is so like that's who John the Baptist was. This wild man who comes, he's a bit harsh, a bit, um, he's just doing what he thinks is he's supposed to and what God has told him to do. Um, and he prophesies that there will be somebody, he prophesies about Jesus, and he says, There will be somebody who's gonna baptize you, um, not in water, but he's gonna baptize you with the Holy Spirit. And so in verse 13 it says, And then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John to be baptized by him. And what I learned about this is the Jordan River is in the desert, right? And it's this river that flows through, and people and so Jesus is walking into the wilderness and into the desert where John is to meet him there to be baptized by him. Um, and then John would have prevented him, saying, I need to be baptized by you, um, and do you come to me? And so John has this very like human response of like, even though God has called him and made him a prophet and he's doing what he's supposed to be doing, he sits there and he's like, I need to be baptized by you. Like, what do you mean? Like, what do you mean you need me to baptize you? Like, Jesus, I and so Jesus answered, Let it be so for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness. And then he consented. And so, and then Jesus was baptized, and it says that immediately the heavens were opened up and he saw the Spirit of God descending on a dove. And so it's like John understands his calling and what he's supposed to be doing, but at the same time, like knowing what God's calling in your life is not the same as like understanding the steps that it will take and those different things. And so it was like for me in my life, like I think there's things that God asks me to do, like whether that is as a pastor or as a husband or as a father, and it's like John, like Jesus, like God Himself is the one who's put it on my heart, or the Holy Spirit is the one himself who's who's told me this is what I'm supposed to be doing. But like John and I have this like super real and human response of like, I don't think this is I don't think you're supposed to be doing that. Like, it's my job. I think this is my job. I don't I think that that's your job. Like, I think you're supposed to be doing that, and so I just thought that that was like it I've obviously read the story a ton of times and and heard this before, but it's like this person, and we do that too. We're like John the Baptist, where we go around with this mission that God has told us what to do, and God is, but even then, like even after prophesying and saying, Hey, you Pharisees, this is how you're acting, this is what you're supposed to do, and God is gonna cut down those trees. We still get a little bit of hesitation when it comes to those things that we think that, oh, this is above my pay grade. This is something that you should be doing, God. This is not something I know you've asked me to do it, but this is something really I think you should take. So I just thought that that was crazy, but an interesting. I think we all get a little bit a little feeling of inadequacy sometimes when we think about like like John, when we think about doing the things that God has obviously called us to do, and we would much rather let this is a case of baptism, but in our lives, we'd much rather let Jesus do the work, right? Like Jesus, why don't you just save my friend at school? Why don't you just save my friend at work? Like, why don't you take it? Like you're Jesus, you should be doing that, but there's a responsibility that God has placed on each of us to go and to do the work. And and I think sometimes we do. We look at life and go, man, Jesus, if you could just take care of this, and it's like, nah, that's not really how it works. Like I'm I'm here to I I'm take I'm gonna I'm gonna be right there with you, but like there's these things that we have to do because God has called us to do. And I don't I think when you I think when people I think it's really clear when people don't when people do get a little bit more arrogant with it or a little bit overly confident with the things that God has called them to do, I think it shows and I think we need to remember it's okay sometimes to feel a little inadequate. I would much rather be humble in my approach to what God has called me to do than prideful in it. And so I I I think if you're feeling a little bit inadequate and you feel a little bit like, man, I'm not I don't know if I can do this, I think that's okay. I don't think you have to because I think a lot of people feel like, oh, I can't believe I feel like that. Like, you know, well, Jesus or like John is not self-affirming his prophecy, like the Messiah, Jesus is the one who's affirming what he's supposed to be doing. But I think we do that all the time. It's like, oh, I'll figure it out, I'll do this. I'm supposed to be doing this because I made this decision. And or I'm in the way that I lead my family, in the way that I lead my spouse, in the way that that I work and my career and the things that I do, we like self-affirm this idea that we have based on our own knowledge, based on our own understanding. And John is what he's doing is like, no, I need Jesus to affirm this for me. I need the Messiah to step in and say, This is what's going to happen. And so John is right in the sense of like his things are limited, like his power is limited. Like, there is this prophecy that's being proclaimed, and it's really cool. Um, and it's awesome that God has told him to baptize people, but he's like, I can only baptize you in water. Like this affirming that comes from Jesus means he's going to baptize you in the Holy Spirit, which is going to change everything, which is going to bring Pentecost, which is going to bring the eruption of this early church when Jesus leaves and he brings this Holy Spirit. And it's like, all right, that's way better than anything that I affirmed in my own life, but like I could do on my own. And so I just think that it's it's a it's a sick passage. And that's what Jesus does. Right. I think it's cool. It is definitely sick. It's also really cool because every time I read that story or people talk about it, I always think about it's probably the only time, one of the only times, or maybe the only time, where we see uh we see God in three persons all at the same time. You see Jesus getting baptized, you see the the dove ascending, the Holy Spirit, and God says, This is my mind. This is my voice.
SPEAKER_02So God speaks, the dove comes down, and Jesus is there all at the same time. So like what a ball of passing. So like you're you're there and you're like, oh.
SPEAKER_03So if you were there in that moment, if you're John or you're one of the people that are there in that moment, like other than when we get to heaven, like it's that's like the one time where you're like, dude, they're all like they're all here, like everybody's here.
SPEAKER_02Like, you know, and and and I I agree with what you're saying, and that and I think the cool part is is that Jesus eventually does affirm all of us, yes, and that's why he can't went to the cross, that's why he saved us, is to affirm us and to encourage us and to uplift us and and move us into the direction. And I think that that's a really cool passage, and the way that you brought it up of John has no problem telling people what they need to hear, he has no problem prophesying and telling, you know, Jesus. It's it, you know, you didn't read it, but it's part of the story, right? Jesus is coming, behold, here comes the Lamb of God who comes to take away the sins of the world. Like he said, there he is, like he's proclaimed there he is. That's who I've been talking about. Like there he is, and so he has no problem doing all of that. But then when it comes time to do this, it's like, man, I really need Jesus to, I really, I really need Jesus to affirm me. And I think it should encourage all of us that if John the Baptist, who literally leapt in his mother's womb when he heard about Jesus, like what if he needs affirming, then I think it's okay if we need affirming every now and then.
SPEAKER_03If we need to look in the mirror and say, God, could you just encourage me today a little bit? Could you let me know I can do this? Like, I think I I think that shouldn't it should certainly it certainly encourages me. I hope it encourages other people too. Yeah, the other cool thing was the what like when I was studying and looking at it was what it leads to for Jesus. Like Jesus is fulfilling prophecy, and it kind of shows that too. Is yeah, Jesus could have stepped up and just said, Yeah, no, you know what, I'm gonna baptize you. But it's Jesus was obedient to again the prophecy and fulfilling the prophecy and fulfilling that old testament, what that had been said about him coming and everything like that, and him getting baptized, and right, we talk about baptism as this obedience for us as Christians and as believers because Jesus himself is being obedient, but it's preparing him for the temptation that we see in Matthew chapter 4, which is again, he's led into the wilderness, he's tempted by the devil, like he is fully human and he's being tempted, and it's just this this cool parallel for what it's preparing what it's preparing him for and the necessity that Jesus sees. But then also what Matthew does a lot of the times if you're reading Matthew is it like shows Jesus as a new Israel, right? Or like it shows the parallel of like the Israelites came to the Jordan River, right? And there's different things and and they didn't cross it, and they didn't go into the promised land, and they didn't do these things, and then Jesus steps into the Jordan River and then moves into the wilderness in this fulfillment of prophecy in it. So it's just like again, it's nothing's there by accident. It's cool, it's just cool stuff. Like, again, open up your Bibles and read it and do some studying and look at it. Like, because it's it's just cool that that all of those different pieces, like he's fulfilling prophecy, he's mirroring and he's showing these people who know the law and know the old testament scripture about what their their people have been through now that he's here and and his fulfilling prophecy is it's just cool. And John loses his head over it all. Yeah, but he literally loses his head. Literally literally, but he's still not scared to do it. And I think what's really cool too, not not even about the story, but just how you just said open your Bibles. You know, we talk about the secret place all the time here at New Life, and obviously we've encouraged you on the podcast to read your Bible and stuff like that. But you literally just read four verses, it was four, four different verses like all that, like we we you know, we just pulled that out of four or five verses in scripture. And so, again, if you're reading your Bible, if you're new to reading your Bible, or even if you've been reading your Bible forever, like you don't need to overcomplicate it, you don't need to read 18 you know chapters in order to get something. Like, if you read it with the intent of, man, God, what can you show me in this? Like, God will show you something. Yeah, and the last thing I wrote down was just like John, like we gotta stop forcing Jesus into our expectations of who he should be or what he should be doing. Like, because John has again knows the scripture, knows prophecy, has been called by God, but he still has these expectations of Jesus, you should be doing this, not me. And it's I think that that's something, another lesson that we can learn as Christians and as believers on a daily is we gotta stop putting Jesus in this box of yes, he should have healed my family over. Yes, he should have been gracious here instead of being it's like we need to stop putting him in that box and and painting that picture because it's that's not who Jesus is. Jesus let him write his own mission, let him do what he needs to do instead of putting him uh expectations on him. So yeah, I think that that's interesting too. Well, it goes back to you know what I said before and what we were talking about of you know, Jesus, why not why don't you save my friend? Why don't you save my coworker? And it's like Jesus is gonna, you know, there's tasks and there's things that we need to do, and there's seed that needs to be planted and cultivated by us in order to achieve all those things um that we can through through the Lord, and he'll give us the strength to do it, but that doesn't mean he's just gonna just do it. Like there are things that you're teaching your kids right now how to do that you could just do it for them, yes, but you know that's not helping them in the long run. And I think a lot of times we expect God to be this, you know, he's this gracious, loving father, and he's just gonna do everything for us, and it's like I don't it doesn't work like that. Like you you gotta learn to do that on your own. Eventually, somebody's you know, eventually you gotta let go of Georgie's hand and let her walk until she falls on her butt. Like you you you gotta learn how to do it, and and I think sometimes, like you're saying, we put those expectations on God, like he's gonna just do everything that we expect him to do when he's uh that's he's got a sense of humor and he's not you know, sometimes he does the unexpected, a lot of times he does the unexpected where we look at it and we go, Oh, I didn't see that coming. But in the long run it ends up being something that's beneficial to all to all of us for sure.
SPEAKER_01Well that's great, dude. You got any notes over there? No, no. I I figured out what that R is from. That's when I uh hit record. No, that's that's great. And I um obviously when I preached a couple weeks ago, I looked into John the Baptist a little bit because I was talking about um the hidden motif or the hidden Messiah motif in Mark where you know only a couple people call him the son of God and things like that. And that's cool. I never um put that to my spirit. Yeah, then there's sick.
SPEAKER_03That's a cool, it's a cool story. It's one of those another one of those where it you know you'd wanna you wanna watch it when you get to heaven, like, man, can you run that back? Like, let me see that because that must have been a moment. Well, it's kinda like again, like what we talked about with worship or the wonder of life, like with the animals and and different things like that. Like, again, I don't know how you could read stories even from the forget about the old testament stories, like in the sense of like they are strange and there's things that happen, and in Genesis and your dad talked about the flood over the last couple weeks, like there's these different things in the old testament, and then you look at the life of Jesus in the gospels, then you look at the life of Paul and his calling in Acts, and it's like same with worship, same with any of this stuff. Like, I don't get how people are like, Oh, that's it's just an ancient book, it's boring, it's all this different stuff, and I'm like, you're not actually reading it, like like anything, it's it's interesting if you put the time in. Like, again, it's interesting, but it's it's way more like read something else about it. If you have a question about it, I don't understand this when I read it, it doesn't make any sense. It's so old. It's like open up your computer, type in, hey, what is John the Baptist? Like, this dude sounds crazy. Where was he from? What was he doing? It's like, yeah, it's just lazy. I know it sounds bad, but it's like it is like a big thing. You brood of it. It just it is, it's like spiritual laziness. That's why we get bored because it's like if they took if they took there's hundreds, maybe even thousands of Bible stories that if they took it and made it a movie or a miniseries and didn't attach it to the Bible at all, they just said we're gonna make this a movie or a miniseries. People would be like, Oh, this is so sick. And then if you told them, hey, that's in the Bible, yeah, like you know, it because of the stories like you're saying, and they're wild. Yeah, they're wild, but they're just interested. Like, even those little there's four verses that we just read about John the Baptist, this crazy guy, and Jesus and him affirming, and it's like all the other stuff that falls into it, or that you can ask questions about and be curious about. It's like I just don't get how you could sit there and be like, oh wow, this is boring, or I don't want to keep doing that.
SPEAKER_01Like, how would I not want to do that? It's different for everybody because I think for me, I found not that I don't find joy in reading the Bible, but I found a lot of joy in like understanding the Bible. So, like I'm like, you know me, like I love math for some reason. Like, I just love that it makes sense. Yeah, and I've gone into deep dives on like I remember a couple months ago I did a huge, huge deep dive on tithing. Like, where like where does it show up? It shows up before the law and during the law, and Jesus says these things you ought to do and all these things. It's like that to me is like my form of like yeah, like I I do the secret place, I do all these things, like I read my Bible for connection. But what gets me like really interested is like I don't know, studying some stuff. Like to me, well, when it clicks, yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's like anything, like when you're a kid in school, and like you're like, man, I don't this is boring, or I don't understand the concept. And then all of a sudden, that yeah, and then all of a sudden the teacher plays a game or shows a video or does something on the board and you're like, I know how to do that, I know how to do that now. Like it clicks. Well, it's like if you if you're a visual learner, go watch a cartoon on YouTube about that story and get some information about it. What's the one where they it's a Bible project? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they draw it draw it out. Like it's like there's something in the world that we live in. We're talking about these terrible meals in the 40s, uh 1840s, right? It's like all this different stuff. Like, we have every resource today to make sure that we're able to learn and to do, especially where we live, right? And especially the opportunities that we have to do. In the number one place ever. It's like we have all of those, then I don't I don't think there's any excuse, really. It's like, well, I'm not really good at reading my Bible. What does that even mean? You don't even have to read it. My wife's into it. Every now and then I'll walk through the kitchen and in the other room I just hear some man's voice reading the Bible, and I'm like, Summer? And she's like, Yeah. I'm like, what are you doing? She's like, I'm listening to the Bible. Like the guy's just reading her the Bible. Like, you don't you don't even have to read it yourself.
SPEAKER_02Someone talk about talk about a dad holding the kid's hand. You don't even have to read it yourself.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, someone will read it to you. I think that I think that we we drop the ball on that front sometimes. But and again, I'm not I'm not the perfect person, or I'm it's just I think that you gotta make it fun. Like I hated school, I was never into school, but like I have a book in there that it's it parallels all the gospels and where those stories line up, and I think it's the sickest thing ever. And I'm like, this is cool. Like find something that you're interested in. And it's uh you know, the things that the things that entertain us in life, you can easily find similar things or parallels to it in the Bible. Like if you like sci-fi, if you like fantasy, if you like, you know, whatever it is, like you could if you like war, if you like if you like romance, you like whatever it is. I mean, I'm not you know, I'm not reading romance novels, but neither Jesus told a bunch of parables. Yeah, like like it's just there's everything based on, you know, well, I'm not really into that, or I don't really like like you know, you you could you could find anything in there that would appeal to you if you just kind of take the time to dig into it and and like you're saying, do a little research and learn from it. And then like that. That's a complete clip side note to what we were talking about, kind of. But well, no, but I think it's I I again I I mean I brought it up. You you read four verses. Yeah. You read four verses and we talked all about that, you know, out of four verses.
SPEAKER_02And then and then like you're saying, if you read the chapter after and the chapter before, and like like then the context of it of everything in scripture, like it's a perfectly it's a perfectly written story because it's inspired by the Holy Spirit, inspired by God.
SPEAKER_03It's cool.
SPEAKER_01It's kind of nuts. You guys ever seen that graphic? Yeah, where it's like it's all showing all the connections and stuff.
SPEAKER_03Have you seen the ones where it's like this is the Bible and their ancient texts, like the connections and cross references or whatever it is, and then it's like another one from history and like different things. There's like four strands, like whatever it is, like it's like it's yeah, it's like back and forth, and then the Bible it's like 180,000 things or something like that. Stupid. Well, that's why everybody that's you know that everyone, oh Jesus wasn't read, blah blah blah. Like again, there's a million different things you could go look up of like there's real dude. It makes absolutely zero sense that all these people have the exact same account and they all line up and everything. Like it's it's just so perfectly put together.
SPEAKER_01That's what I want to do next. I saw a video of somebody going on a deep dive of like uh it was either a Jewish man or an or an agnostic trying to prove that Jesus wasn't real. The case for Chris, right? And what maybe I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he was like a detective, right? No, that's Jay Warner Wallace. Oh no, it wasn't him, Cold Case Christianity, dude. That's a great book.
SPEAKER_01You should read that if you're if you're digging into that. Yeah, because I want to like like understand like I know that there is historical uh references for Jesus, but I want to know what it is. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So we had a guy come, here's a little plug for this guy, I haven't talked to him in a million years. But we had a guy come do a men's breakfast like years when you guys were little, like years and years and years ago. And his name of us were little. His name were and you were little. His name was Jay Warner Wallace. He was a LAPD cold case detective, which cold case is like a case that's closed or whatever. Um, like an older case. And so his job as a cold case detective was to take all this, you know, a file from 15 years ago and try to figure out who the killer was based on all these different things. And so he was an atheist, and someone challenged him, he got an argument with somebody, and they were like, Well, why don't you use your cold case skills like a cold case? And treat it like a cold case.
SPEAKER_02And so he went back and he wrote an entire book about how after he did it, he gave his life to Jesus, and believe there's no way Jesus couldn't be real because he went back and he was like, Well, if this guy had this testimony and this guy had this testimony, and he basically corroborated all of everybody's stories that saw Jesus, that witnessed Jesus, all the different things, and then link them all together.
SPEAKER_03He was like, There's no way, like in court, this would hold up, like if I tried to prove this. Yeah, that is. And so the whole book is is written like that, like from a perspective of a cold case detective. So it's called uh cold, I think it's cold case Christianity. Uh Jay Warner Wallace. If you're if you're watching and need a book to read, it's a or a you know a good one to help you. I wonder if there's a pod on it. Or an audible. There is. You know, don't push people to other podcasts. I mean, stay. Stay. Stay. Please don't go. Please don't go. Okay. Don't ever leave. We'll never leave if you never leave. We'll never let you leave. Oh my gosh. Never let you go. What? Alright. I've seen enough. That's it. I've seen enough. Well, that was great. Thanks. That's great. Thanks, Dev. Just mix it up a little bit. Mix it up a little bit. Your turn next week. Next week, my turn? Alright. I had something for today, but I knew that I knew we could I knew we could talk about it. We can talk. We could talk. There's one thing we can do. We can chat.
SPEAKER_01We've been doing a podcast for years, just cameras weren't rolling. That's true.
SPEAKER_03That's true. Offline pod. We should do a pod out. The amount of times that we're like, save that for the pot.
SPEAKER_01Save that for the pod. Save it, save it.
SPEAKER_03Trumble Cafe pod. Dude, that'd be sick. I wonder if they'd let us do it. Mary would let us know if we can eat while we talk. Yeah. Like hot. That'd be so much fun. That would be awesome. That would be fun. And also, I'm really hungry right now. I am too. Should we even play a game or should we just go eat? No, I wanted to play that game. That'd be quick. We'll just do a couple rounds.
SPEAKER_01For the viewers. It's called Taple. What? Right? Spencer's so hungry right now. What did he say? Oh yeah.
unknownI'm calling Mary right now.
SPEAKER_03Um an extra hour. Spencer said I'm calling Mary right now, so I said, Your mom. Your mom. Just sounds like my robot. Shout out Mary Doria.
SPEAKER_02Shout out Nick Doria, too. He told me that he watches every week. And I know every week I'm skilling pod. We've shouted out Mary a couple times.
SPEAKER_03We never shout out Nick, so shout out Nick.
unknownHe's jumping up and down the later.
SPEAKER_03Does Blake watch? Yeah. Alright, cool. Blake doesn't know what day it is. Just kidding. I love Blake. Hey, hey. Call Blake and show him that clip right there. Yeah. Blake, I love you, dude.
SPEAKER_01Alright. Taple. So essentially you're just gonna get a uh category. That's what it's called. That's not what it's called.
SPEAKER_03That's not what it's called. That's made up. Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01So you have to guess, you have to uh come up with uh things that relate to the category, and then when after you say it, hit the letter, and then you hit the button. When we're on a team, no.
SPEAKER_02No, or against you. You're trying that because it goes like click click click click. Who gets points? It's whoever's gonna be.
SPEAKER_03There's a timer if it doesn't run up. Oh I like the team aspect. Let's let's do a team. Let's see if we can get it. See how many we can do. Yeah, let's do it. It's not. It's not. Because now it's a team game. Teamwork makes it. I already have three buttons in every single one of those shots.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, dude. Just showing off the showing off the glute gains, am I right?
SPEAKER_01Let me eat squad then. There you go.
SPEAKER_03That is better. Lunge, yeah. Alright. Speaking of lunge, I'm hungry. Okay it's lunge time. Speaking of lunch, you know when you're hungry. The first category is gonna be fast food restaurants. Bro, there's not that many fast food restaurants. Alright. Are we doing it as a team then? Do you want to do chain restaurants? Should we try it? Let's do chains. Yeah. No, we can do fast food, whatever. Alright.
SPEAKER_02Because if we're working as a team, it's less, it's less pressure. So we're trying to we gotta try to get every It's not, Mateo.
SPEAKER_03There's not a winner or a loser.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there's we're trying Well, no, we're the winners if we get all the letters done. Alright, let's go.
SPEAKER_03Is there a Z? How do you turn it on? I got I got Z. I already have Z in my end. No, no, there's not every letter on there.
SPEAKER_02This is some bootleg game, dude, because it's certainly not called Tapple, and there's no letters on there.
SPEAKER_03Where'd you get the Where's their Q? Quiznos. I don't know. Yeah, I was gonna say Zach's bees. Alright, here we go. So we pressed the palm with that Zach song. Oh, it started. Go, go, go, go McDonald's.
SPEAKER_01Dutchess. You have to hit the hit it in between. Why? Because it resets the timer. Oh.
SPEAKER_02Burger King.
SPEAKER_03Panera.
SPEAKER_02You hit O2. I pressed the O2. Sonic. Um Whataburger. I'm gonna be so bad at this game. Applebee's.
SPEAKER_00Friendlies.
SPEAKER_02That's a chain. Give me a G. I don't know, a G or an I. Oh boy, we're in trouble here. Uh uh Bojangles.
SPEAKER_01It's already done.
SPEAKER_03It's already done. What?
SPEAKER_02Dude. It was already down.
SPEAKER_03If it's down and you press it again, do you lose points? No. Oh. This game sucks. I'm gonna be so bad. You guys are playing it wrong. Wait, wait, so maybe we do have to play each other. You do have to play each other. Yeah, but it's stupid because it's just based on it's a just a game of odds. It's just a game of chance. It's whoever the buzzer buzzes out on. So you can't go twice in a row. No, it's just.
SPEAKER_01The buzzer buzzes if you don't think of one fast enough. That's why it's back and forth. When you press the button, it resets. Yeah. Alright. Alright, so me versus.
SPEAKER_03So back and yeah, back and forth, back and forth. Alright, back and forth, back and forth. Okay. I thought you were going to be able to do that. Do you want jobs and occupations or water animals? What? No. What happened to that? I can't sit like that. No, he has to sit like that. There we go. Nice. Alright. Okay. Oh, shouldn't it be this camera anyway? What water animals? Yeah, like sea creatures. Okay. You like that one? You're gonna crush. Yeah, he's gonna just go first though. Fine. Seahorse.
SPEAKER_02Whale. Octopus. Narwhal. Piranha. You guys are doing it the other way around. Hit the thing. Hit the uh uh uh betafish.
SPEAKER_00Uh what's that one called? Dang. Manatee.
SPEAKER_04I won! No manatee winner!
SPEAKER_02No, that's not winning. That's not winning. Also, you could say dolphin eel finish. I don't do the evil.
SPEAKER_00I'm not good at this game. I have like my next five already picked out over there. And he's like, what's that thing? I want maybe. No, I was thinking of what's that. It's not an anaconda.
SPEAKER_01I didn't mean to do that. Just turn it off on the bottom. Nah, I just let it go. What's the next one? One more.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I like this one. Pick one you'll be good at. None of them will be good. Where'd that one go? Also, I thought you picked three before the podcast. I did, and then I don't remember which one it was. Vegetables. I can see that on there.
SPEAKER_01Sports equipment or in this room. Oh, in this room would be kind of cool. In this room. In this room, it's good.
SPEAKER_03I like making up our own, but go ahead. Well, what would you suggest? You could do anything. Movie titles, sports teams. You could literally do this. I like the sports teams one. Yeah, you could do that. Let's do that. I'm not gonna be good, guys. Come on. Manatee. I can't believe I won that last round. Are you gonna go first? No, you go first.
SPEAKER_02Me? Yeah, yeah. I hit this first, and then I hit a letter and then that. Jets.
SPEAKER_00Pacers.
SPEAKER_02Mets.
SPEAKER_00Orioles.
SPEAKER_03Mets. Rockets. Spurs. Aces.
SPEAKER_02WNBA. I said sports teams. Oh, my bad. Texas Rangers. Dolphins. Houston Astros.
SPEAKER_03Cowboys.
SPEAKER_02Florida Panthers.
SPEAKER_03Boston Red Sox.
SPEAKER_02Washington Nationals.
SPEAKER_00Giants.
SPEAKER_02Los Angeles Lakers. Ooh, double L.
SPEAKER_00Edmonton Oilers.
SPEAKER_02Oh boy. What's even left? K and I. Uh Kings.
SPEAKER_00Ice fish. That's not a team, but I didn't want to lose. I didn't want to lose, guys. I didn't want to lose. Wait, wait. Why is it uh you can reset it.
SPEAKER_01You can reset it. Oh, we can go again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would have been helpful, but we're that's crazy.
SPEAKER_04I didn't think you were gonna say I won with ice fish.
SPEAKER_03What is an I won? Indians. They're not a team anymore.
SPEAKER_01Indians, yeah. I already said pacers. Also, how none of you said NYX for K. It's just sitting right there and we just watched the game once. We said I said the camera. He doesn't care about the camera at all.
SPEAKER_02In this room, really quick. Alright, let's go. We're bringing this to lunch. Alright, you going first? Yeah. Alright, go. What is wrong with shoes? Mateo.
SPEAKER_00Keys.
SPEAKER_02Where's the letter? Plant.
SPEAKER_00Computer.
SPEAKER_02Desk.
SPEAKER_00Um inglet.
SPEAKER_03Rug. On your laces. That's an aglet. Oh. No, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_02This guy is such a cheater. Uh hoop.
SPEAKER_04Friend.
SPEAKER_02Um boys. Enemies. Now what? Losers. Window. Table. Guys. Jokes.
SPEAKER_03Nope.
SPEAKER_00Oh, oh, oh, oh. You cheated. Ottoman. He's gonna be like I won't win the bro.
SPEAKER_02You can't win with nope and ice fish. I'm not playing, I'm not playing any enemies. I'm not playing friends. Enemies. I'm not playing with him anymore.
SPEAKER_00Let's do another one. Say goodbye, and then we'll play another one. Bye guys. Hope you enjoyed the pod today, and we'll see you next week for episode 35.
SPEAKER_01Halfway to a year. You gotta go back to school.