I Ain't Even Lyin

Chuck Norris Twin, Mountain Buck Mayhem and Turkey Hunting Terror

Steven

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On this episode of the I Ain’t Even Lyin podcast, join us on a journey where we find out Chuck Norris may have had a twin, a simple mountain buck recovery turns into an adrenaline fueled mistake, turkey hunting stories that are so unbelievable that they gotta be true and so much more!

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to the I and Even Line podcast. We're so glad you're here today. We're glad you stopped by. We're glad you joined the podcast. And hey, if this is your first time, um, go ahead and get your boots on. Sometimes it gets a little deep in here. Yeah. I'm Tommy. This is Scott, and we got a special guest today. Um, he's honestly in my book, he's top five uh that I know of buck slayers. Yes. And uh his name is Austin Sap. And uh uh did you want me to tell your name or no?

SPEAKER_00

You know, we might need to keep that confidential.

SPEAKER_02

As far as y'all know, his name is an alias right now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Austin Sap. That's a cool sounding name.

SPEAKER_00

Sometimes I go by Bill. It depends on what state, you know, what state we're in.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, Bill. Yes, sir. Oh, Bill. I'll tell you what, Bill's on up there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

There we go. I like it. So listen, I uh we're glad you're here, and let's dive into it. I know we got some stories and uh I'm excited to see what's gonna unfold today. Um so I actually want to start with one story that uh that uh I actually went hunting with Austin. I've been we've been on a few trips and we hunt around some of the same areas every once in a while, and uh I remember one trip we decided all um a bunch of a bunch of us together, some of his family, some of my friends, all we all went hunting together. And I remember this one time uh that um he's actually in the clear on this, we'll say his name, Jordan, yeah, your brother-in-law. He uh killed this big old buck on this mountaintop, um, and we're out there and he gives us a call, and it's actually not a bad buck. And we are up there and we get to the top of this mountain, it's dark, and uh, I remember we grab this deer, we find the deer, and we start dragging. Well, another family member of Austin was there. So we're all but there's about there's four of us up on this mountaintop, and we start dragging. Well, naturally, we believe that we need to have a whole army, I guess, to drag this deer up because I mean it's steep inclines, declines. I mean, it's it's pretty rough terrain. And uh, and so what we do is your brother-in-law Jordan, he ends up doing I don't know if he went back or started walking off. He said, Y'all go ahead and start dragging the deer. And I we just left him. Oh, we just left him. Y'all just drug it away from him. He is a little husky, isn't he?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he's a bigger boy. He is, really.

SPEAKER_02

Well, we start dragging.

SPEAKER_01

He needs to stay away from that table, Jordan. So we start dragging this deer down the hill, and uh we start getting some momentum. It's so steep. This deer is honestly kind of dragging us at some points there. Yeah. Is that bad? Yeah, I'm telling you. When I say a mountain, that's no hesitation. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

This is steep, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Steep stuff. And so we're coming down. Well, one thing about this spot specifically is to get into the public, you got about six feet.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Maybe.

SPEAKER_01

It's narrow. It's narrow. It's narrow to it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, I know several places like that, but this one is, you know.

SPEAKER_02

It's tight. And you're on the at nighttime using on X. One X ain't perfect.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, you know it. But hopefully neither is the game.

SPEAKER_01

You know, that's kind of what you're banking on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it jumped back at so it was jumping, so we're getting it, and I don't know who had the who had to phone, but someone wasn't navigating. It might have been me. Well, we're dragging, and this deer's taking us down. Well, we start getting off the path, and we're starting to miss our six-foot mark that's at the bottom of this hill. Well, we get to the point, we realize we stop and we're like, dude, we're way away. And there's no we have to go back up the mountain to even get to this other side. Well, we can see the road where we had parked. But in order to get to that road, we needed to cross this cattle field where there was a house on some on some private ground. Now, how close was y'all to the house? I mean shooting distance.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you could have shot a bow, you know, 20 yards probably through the back door.

SPEAKER_01

It was pretty close. Yeah, it was pretty close. Turn your lights out and drag you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_01

Well, when you make the choice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, I mean, once you're already going for it, you gotta go.

SPEAKER_02

So hold on. It was you, Austin, Tommy, and then the other brother-in-law.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so me and three preachers, basically. Yeah. I mean, basically.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. There's three preachers on this mountainside, and we all are uh, so we're we're we're dragging. Well, Jordan's still not with us. And so we get out there and we we come under this fence, we're just we all make this decision, we're like, man, it's not a far drag. We're not doing anything other than the only thing illegal that we're doing is is walking here, and and honestly, I surely someone would understand.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And so we start dragging all of a sudden, here comes these trucks, and they just start pulling, like, there's like two trucks pull up, and then they're stuck, they start shining the fields. Come on. Well, we hit the dirt. We're like, uh, we're laying there, and I'm like laying on, we're laying on a deer. I think you're laying on the deer.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And and our and our the the unspoken uh brother-in-law is is also there. And I remember laying there, and I remember my heart racing, but I will not forget the the the excitement, and we're just the excitement that we had the the freaking out and uh now is this I mean I is it because I think his alias name is Trigum.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean you Trigum Trigum is your brother? I was just assuming we was gonna disclose his name, but I mean you you can say a brother of all beat. I thought we was just letting the cat out of the back.

SPEAKER_01

All right. Well, you say his name. His name is Brig. All right, well, where we go with it. Yeah, the name's out. So there you go. So we're laying there, and I'll never forget. And I will say this, I'm not gonna make myself the hero of this story, because I'll be honest with you, the only person that kept her cool the whole time was Austin. He's trying to coach us through. He's like, y'all need to chill out, man. Y'all freaking out. And we're sitting and they're shining this light. And I remember one point, I don't know if it was me, I think Brigham looked at, he said, I'm just gonna stand up and let him know we're here. Austin, what you say, Austin.

SPEAKER_00

I said, You crazy. We doing that. I ain't going to jail. This beer ain't even that big.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I mean, if his horns is big enough for him to see it from the road, that's big enough.

SPEAKER_00

That's big enough, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's right. That's right. So we uh we're laying there anyway. So then we see Jordan beeboping down the hill, and he's we see his light, and his light's flashing as he's walking down the ridge.

SPEAKER_00

Like a neon sign. Oh, come on.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah. So we're trying to call him. Hey man, there's there's guys out here, and they're looking, you can hear them talking. They're like, I know people are up there. I know they're out there. And we're like, and we're there, man, they're shining in fields and all that stuff. And uh, man, he just goes on down that ridge and he comes out and he says, uh, the old boy's like, uh, from what I remember, Jordan saying, he said, that old boy was like, hey, you know you ain't supposed to be here. And Jordan's like, Well, I'm hunting public ground. Well, he said, he kind of pointed out, showed him that I have access right here at this little six-foot point, and I've been entering in and out there, and so I haven't done anything wrong. Well, he said, Well, how many people are with you? He said, A lot of trucks. Yeah, he said, there's a lot of trucks out here. And well, Jordan's like, Well, there was a there's like three other guys out here, but he said, Well, where are they? He said, I have no idea. They were ahead of me. So the guy, so at that point, we're laying out there, we're waiting for all this to to to un to unfold, and honestly, Jordan doing what Jordan does, I guess having the anointing on his life. Yeah, I guess he was able to talk his way out of it and uh and ended up exchanging numbers with the old boy.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is some Benjamin Zoglio stuff. Yeah, we wanted to work for me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, friends. I'm talking about, yeah, good stuff.

SPEAKER_00

And he's leaving out a few details. These guys were pulled up. We were we were in the ditch, and they were probably 15 yards from us. Uh-huh. And I can hear Brigham's heartbeat. Come on.

unknown

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_00

You know, and so it was a it was a tense. But when he started coming down that hill. But when he started coming down that hill, you know, I tried to call him two times, and then it was, you know, he's on his own. We got our old business to deal with, you know.

SPEAKER_01

So I remember so that light in the house was off. I'm assuming this is maybe somebody's vacation house. I remember laying there and the light was off, and at some point I look back over and the lights on. And we're laying not far from the house, and then we got guys in the trucks right here in the ditch, and we're like, we're between. I'm just thinking at any point we're gonna see bullets start flying, and somebody's gonna get popped. So Jordan smoothed it over. Jordan, yeah, Jordan's gonna get out of the way. He started texting the old boy. Then they started.

SPEAKER_02

Did Jordan stay at that cabin?

SPEAKER_00

They were showing deer pictures back and forth.

SPEAKER_02

And y'all down there hiding the bushes. Yeah, I think they're pinpounding. Now let me ask y'all this. How did y'all just up and did was it uh, boys, it's all right, y'all stand up? Now, how did y'all get up here?

SPEAKER_00

He he made it, Jordan made it all the way to the truck and and then smoothed it over, and once you know that everything was cool, we just eased on with the deer and got on out of dogs. I got you.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So now what's the next what you got there? So the next thing I want, uh, and we'll go ahead and start and then I I'll get you, man. I'll just get the I'll I'll start the snowball rolling, and you just start you just start running with it, man. But I'll go ahead and I'll say this. I one of my favorite stories, I thought I don't know if I think we're all still hunting together at this point, or maybe it was a different time, but uh I remember something about a high-powered rifle and somebody hunting you instead of hunting deer. I I want to hear that one. So how'd that go?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so same general area we was at there. Uh must be some good bucks. A big big group of guys, but you know, I I tend to not really hang around. Yeah. If I can find somewhere to get out of Dodge, that's usually what I do. Well, I have done that that this morning, probably about eight, about 8 a.m. Eased up on this ridge, got way back, you know, kind of hanging this bobwire fence, you know. Most good things is, you know, close to the bobwire fence. Oh, yeah. So I just kind of eased down that way. Thought I was all by myself. Well, I got in there, kind of got tired climbing hills and everything else, sat down for a minute, and I kept I I thought I had seen something, but and I but I I wasn't really sure, but I was watching just a couple does just across just across the ridge. And all of a sudden I heard, you know, walkie-talkie cut cut in, like a you know, and I said, and I said, Oh, I said, somebody's here. And so, so I'm I'm I'm still right now I'm crouched down by a tree, and all of a sudden I see this guy, he's coming, and he's got a rifle and a walkie-talkie on his hip. And he's and he's speaking into the walkie-talkie. He said, I got them. They're they're right over here, they're right over here. He said, I'm visiting to find them. So it did when I mean he's 15 yards. Come on. I'm I'm talking about close. And he's got a this has got a scope on it, you know. This is bow, bow area. Yeah, he's he's not hunting deer, you know. So I'm I'm crouched down and I I wind up somehow that fella, I ain't never really believed in camouflage. I'm I'm more of a flannel guy myself. And uh, but that guy, he either acted like he didn't see me because I mean he looked right at me. I mean, he was less than 10. You know, the last time he looked right at me. And I don't know. He just he never seen me. He just kept on about his business and kept on going. One of the scariest times.

SPEAKER_02

Now, so you you're now that's that's that good in now you wear jeans and just go flannel.

SPEAKER_00

I don't I don't wear jeans. I don't I don't necessarily wear jeans. I wear like them the Walmart uh, you know, real Wrangler dry fit deal. Yeah but that not game fun. I don't believe deer can see color. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I mean I just so like gimmole people used to wear them all plaid flannel shirts.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, that's legit. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I'm a firm believer. I I I actually I actually I do I do believe and lean more towards that way. And honestly, I don't even know as much as it's a camo or not, not camo thing. I think deer know when you care. I think when you care, you're not gonna kill nothing.

SPEAKER_00

What about do you wash them your clothes in like uh I don't I don't really do that no more. If my dad listens to this, he's gonna his skin will crawl. You know, because he's one of them, you know, bag this and you know, get out this back. And I I just don't I have found success not doing that.

SPEAKER_02

Well now one of the things we started doing was we bought uh uh some of that non-sented regular awl or something. Yeah, this guy and then we smelled some of that$27 a bottle of the one that's from a uh like a hunting. Good night's the same stuff. So we started buying the other stuff. Yeah, yeah. So we do kind of wash it that way. Now tell me this is your dad, did he ever buy an ozonics?

SPEAKER_00

No, I don't think them was around when I was still in the house, but he was a scent locked man, you know. We always had some people that, you know, kind of pick at us on hunting leagues because he'd be scent locked up, you know. They'd be smoking cigarettes and you know, killing bugs, I mean, it was just He's a Scentlock man too.

SPEAKER_01

He's got about three six. He was he was a believer. Now, but here's the thing he thinks, this is what he thinks scent lock does. He thinks you can wear whatever clothes you want to wear, washed them, whatever. You can have worked. I just put the jumpsuit on. But the jumpsuit locks everything in. It's in the name, is what his thought is. So it's just gonna lock it in. So I don't need a shower and I don't need scent-free clothes, I just need a scent-free jumpsuit.

SPEAKER_02

That's all it is. I mean, I if I go on a hunt trip, I might not get a bath for a week or so. There you go. Now, until I get to stinging, you know. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding, I do bathe.

SPEAKER_01

Man, I one thing I will say, and so him and him and papa will definitely get along a lot real good, at least at least relate to this. So Papa, he uh he's an all-day hunting man.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, oh yeah, he's gonna hunt all day all day.

SPEAKER_00

He'll hunt all day. I I try.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It gets hard.

SPEAKER_02

But now the thing is, one of the things I do notice about you, either you stay there till you you're you're gonna want hunt hard enough because you want to kill. Especially when you're on a trip out of town. Because you always seem to it may be 12 o'clock hour, but you seem to to put meat on the ground and pretty nice bucks. I mean really nice bucks.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I've been blessed for sure. Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01

I tell you what. If anybody kills them, he does. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But hunting all day is tough. I'll get I mean, uh if I ain't seen nothing by ten or eleven, I'm I'm getting down on move.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so so have you can you say, like some people say, I'll tell you what, I killed some my biggest bucks between twelve and two.

SPEAKER_00

No, I I no, I can't say that.

SPEAKER_02

Uh so usually it's uh either morning or even I found best luck in the morning. Really?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Probably about I'd say the magic hours eighth to me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Mm-hmm. Kind of mid-morning. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Kind of they got they've been out of bed for a minute. So when are you getting down? When you kind of get antsy, like 9 30, 10 o'clock, or 9 o'clock?

SPEAKER_00

If you ain't seeing nothing, every minute counts. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you get to thinking, hey, I believe I can hit that squirrel.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I I if I ain't seeing nothing, I'm usually 11 o'clock, I'm down, but most of the places I'm going in, I'm not coming back out just because it, you know, it's yeah, it's a lot to get in there.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I I usually don't come out at my backpack, it'll look like Santa Claus coming through there because I got snacks and clothes and you know, it it I usually stay in.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You got stuff to stay warm.

SPEAKER_00

You got something to eat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, one thing I can remember from at least the one time I did go out and hunt with you guys and around y'all is I remember I remember being the the question always, every night, where's Austin? Yeah. I don't know. Y'all heard from him? Uh-uh. And then I remember your dad would call you like, I can't get a hold of him. And I'm telling you, we'd be done eight. We'd all had showers. We've got to be.

SPEAKER_02

Now I now hunting out of state though, when you're hunting, especially in public land, something like that, is there, especially when you're hunting that deep, is there a certain size in your mind that you'll kill?

SPEAKER_00

No, uh, no, I just I just won't kill anything that is uh don't have good mass. If he's got good mass and he's a big old Yeah, if he's a big old six-pointer, I'm like this here, I shot a uh I shot an eight-point. And you know, he wasn't nothing crazy. He had good good eye guards and everything else, but he wasn't no high scoring there, you know. He's just I heard old buddy say one time, he said, in the time that you're going, you're hunting a mature buck that's in that area at that time.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know, he may be this or you know, he may not be all that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And hunting public land's a lot different than hunting a lease. Yeah, yeah. So uh scoring or I mean, you know, get shooting one. Uh you kind of want to get your money's worth.

SPEAKER_00

Uh it's it's hard to let them walk, man.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, I like to shoot them. Yeah, yeah, me too. Yeah. Shoot them, chase them down, you know. Oh yeah. That they'd be mad at me. I'd be kind of like got one tommy kill that time and said it was a giant and run off the cliff.

SPEAKER_00

Oh Lord, I don't know what was gonna pick on them about that.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00

We'll we'll bring that story up. Yeah, come on too. How do you hear the perspective the other perspective? So we've been on this. It's all right to pick on the case. Oh, yeah, okay. Go anywhere. That's pretty good for it. This is y'all's place. I mean, so we've been on this hunt trip a little while. A couple people's killed deer, and you know, I'm a young man. Uh so uh naturally, you know, I'm dragging deer every night. You know, I get back, we're dragging deer. We just got done dragging one, you know. I roll in and they they saying, Tommy's looking for you, Tommy's looking for you, go get a deer. So we so we all get in the truck, we ride, I don't know what time was it, probably eight o'clock? It's late. Yeah, and eight o'clock in when you're on a hunting trip, it's late. It's late. You were at school. Yeah, it's not eight o'clock on the house.

SPEAKER_02

You it I don't know how long does it normally take, especially was he way back? I think he was.

SPEAKER_01

No. No, the terrain is what made that awful.

SPEAKER_00

So we had a we had a posse going. I mean, it was probably 10, wouldn't you say?

SPEAKER_01

Honestly, I there was it was I it was our camp, and then the other camp that was beside us of guys we knew they wanted to come too.

SPEAKER_02

Hold on, did Tommy paint the picture that everybody wanted to be there?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, he said I I don't remember the exact words, but it was, you know, to be that late at night and waiting for some I you know, I'm thinking giant. You know, I'm just gonna be honest with you.

SPEAKER_01

I was thinking giant. I'm gonna throw Jordan back under the bus on this one. Okay, we gotta shift some plane. I did so a couple nights before I had shot one and mom act him up. Yeah, because I had put my and yes, I was hunting with a crossbow. I had a torn I had a torn rotate toed it, wait, rotator cuff. Sorry, I forgot about the speaker for a second. So I had a torn rotator cuff, and and at least my I had a hard time shooting a bow and I had mine a little bit of a confidence issue, you know. But anyway, I'm out of time. I want to fill a$500 tag. You know what I'm saying? So I have this crossbow, and here comes this buck coming down, and it's honestly a decent buck. And he comes in behind me. Well, I flip around and get that crossbow, and I'm aiming, well, my the crossbow is too close to the tree.

SPEAKER_02

Ah, Liam hits the tree.

SPEAKER_01

So when it expanded, I hit the tree, and I only hit had a flesh wound on the deer.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And so I went back and looked the next day. Well, I'm a little down, you know. And so, but I think I'm I'm ready to roll. You know, we go back, and so anyway, so Jordan, he's already heard me cry a wolf because he went out with me the next day.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, looking for that one.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So he's like, and he stuck with me on it, and he finally I come back and I shot one. I shot, I think he's a good one. And I'll actually post the picture because the side I saw would have made him a pretty okay buck, you know? The side. The side I saw it's all about.

SPEAKER_00

I I don't know. He must have had his readers on, but he's just talking about that side gun.

SPEAKER_02

So, so, so go on often. So, what happened? Anyway.

SPEAKER_00

So, anyway, we we all get in the woods. There's a whole crew of us. We get in there, you know, Tommy's showing where he shot. Uh, I think he shot two deer.

SPEAKER_01

I shot a dough and a buck.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, yeah, yeah. He shot two deer, and they're all looking. We kind of go down and it's going down to this creek bottom. And, you know, everybody's kind of tight together. I just swooped on around them and went and hit the creek and you know, hooked back towards the right. Well, you know, they're all looking and you know, looking, and I said, Hey, he's over here. But I'm gonna tell you, when I walked up on that deer, I said, This ain't the one.

SPEAKER_03

I said, Tommy explained it.

SPEAKER_00

You know, I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna break this door yet. He's the one who break it up, you know. Uh so when I walked up on it, I said, I said, man, I said, it's late too. And uh, you know, I was you know, about want to jump on him, you know. So, anyways, they all come over there and you know, and you know, Tommy was asking us, oh, you know, and I'm I'm pumped up for anybody who shoots a deer on on a serious note, you know, anybody who shoots deer and they're happy with it, yeah, I'm gonna be all for you. You know, and that's just the way you should be. Yeah. So that's the way I was, but the whole time in the back of my head, I'm going, Lord have mercy. So we we we So it's pretty steep getting it out of that creek. Well, you didn't get in this most. We got ten people.

SPEAKER_01

Notice this. Yeah we got ten guys there, and I I go around because you know, I so are you feeling bad because he was he had some ground shrinkage? He had some ground shrinkage, okay? And he was the problem with this buck was he had one full side and He he had about uh he had four or five on one side, but the other problem was he had a little fork on the other side. So it was like this. Oh, I set one and I got one just in the kill in Georgia.

SPEAKER_02

Me and him's got two of 'em living about twins.

SPEAKER_01

Like I didn't. His eye gar was growing towards the other horn. That's exactly right. I I remember standing there and I was like, dang, I just busted a tag on this thing. But I was excited as my first Illinois puck. That's about the only thing I was excited about. And so I kind of looked around. I felt bad because I got ten guys here and they're all expecting this jump. They ready to go to bed. And so I remember looking around saying, hey, uh, you know, what do you think would, you know, would you The only thing to do is lie.

SPEAKER_00

You know, that's the only thing you can do is lie.

SPEAKER_02

Wouldn't he just tell, like, hey, man, uh, he was there was a bigger one. And uh this deer they was fighting and stepped in front of them, and I I thought I shot the other one.

SPEAKER_01

Well, maybe it's just me, but I was like, I was walking around, I said, I said, man, I said, Hey, I shot that deer, I guess. I I mean, would you shot him? I started kind of, you know, some of the guys are answering.

SPEAKER_00

That's the line there. You know, you hear that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you know they couldn't. Would you shot him? Everybody's saying yes, but there was one person that said yes, and it's this guy right there.

SPEAKER_00

No, I mean he kind of eased off. He didn't want to lie to you. Avoid the quest. You know what it was saying.

SPEAKER_01

And uh, but yeah, I remember we took that thing back to the house and everybody goes inside. Well, I killed two, and we didn't get them out of the woods, so it was pushing probably 10 o'clock.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And so you had to skin them out too or something?

SPEAKER_01

No, I had I skinned them out. Oh, I okay. Yeah, we don't went to bed. They went to bed. They said we done our job. We done our part.

SPEAKER_02

So anyone the if you kill one up there, you're gonna skin him out, or you're not carrying him somewhere. You just do it yourself.

SPEAKER_01

Well, they ain't really nowhere to and and they and they won't so I actually learned this last year. If you shoot a buck, they won't just skin it out for you. At least the one all the processors I tried to reach out to.

SPEAKER_00

You told my cape it over to head.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they won't well they won't do, they won't, they won't do so they won't run the whole gear down.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they won't skin and just give me the meat back.

SPEAKER_01

They want to do the processing. At least that's what I learned this past year when I had went. But um, but anyway, but yeah, I'm out there skinning, and man, I didn't get to bed probably till midnight or later. Wow. I'm gonna crawl into bed, but I tell you what, they ain't a better feeling than when you're tagged out and everybody uh is getting up at three and four in the morning and you're sleeping in and that and you get to watch the sun. The sun's already up when you wake up. You know what I'm saying? That's a good feeling because it's satisfying. I don't care if it's a an 80-inch, 30-inch buck, or a 150-inch buck. No doubt.

SPEAKER_00

That's the way it is with me. As soon as you kill, it's you know, you get to go on vacation for a few days. That's right. You know, kick back, uh-huh. Let them boys get at it.

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Oh, and we're back. Uh I think I got a story for us.

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Do you?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm dying to hear it.

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Now, let me just say this. Uh, because I'm gonna tell you. Now, Austin, you've grown a pretty good mullet yourself. You boys even have some good mullets. Yes, sir. Uh your daddy. All three of them. I've seen your daddy's pictures. Yeah, he was. Oh, Henry had the mullet. Yeah. Yeah. Had like the curl in the back of it. Man, he drove old forward truck. I'm gonna tell you, he sported around Southworth with that mullet on.

SPEAKER_01

Now I gotta know. You ever got a perm in your mullet?

SPEAKER_00

No, I never had to.

SPEAKER_02

No, it just got naturally uh an Indian in you.

SPEAKER_00

Just enough time with your head out the window.

SPEAKER_01

I do wonder, I gotta know, because in order to get a perm, and today, the same guys that used to get perms are the same guys that are probably the most critical of uh of anybody's look nowadays. I just gotta know, did you ever get a perm or know anybody that got a perm on their brother?

SPEAKER_02

My hair had a bunch of cali.

SPEAKER_01

Didn't you have to go to a salon in order to even get a perm? Well, they did.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, some MO boys that have that perm invested in that job.

SPEAKER_01

So you're sitting there. It would just be in the back park. You're sitting by Granny with your head in that helmet thing. I never And you're sitting there, and and I guess what do you talk to Granny about the whole time you get in your perm?

SPEAKER_02

What I'd be doing. Yeah, Granny, you got something cooked at the house. I can come visit and cut the grass or something. Man, I bet them old redness.

SPEAKER_01

I bet they wish that they had them old COVID face masks back then.

SPEAKER_02

That's shit.

SPEAKER_01

Nobody could tell who you were, where you were like uh who was sitting in the salon.

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Now now, you know, the thing is, for me, I had back in those days, I had more red beard. Okay? Red. I had my mullet, it was red looking. And my hair was blonde looking, they called me red to do once I grew the beard. But but it was kind of sandy colored hair, but my bearded growing red. Well, uh I had some people one time, and several times, they go, Hey, who you think you are? Chuck and Ars, you know? Now I never I never was bad or nothing, but but uh I tell you what happened one time. I was up there at the store close to Paw Paw's house. Used to be owned by spikes, used to be a big box over on the other side of Dear Point Lake over there. I don't know what the name of that store is now. But um the uh I went in there and uh Darren Parker was working in the store. And uh so I was going out that night, done got me a shower, pulled up on my Toyota, was filling it up with gas. So I slipped on in there. Well, this lady and this little old boy walks in right behind me. And so when they did, I looked around and I heard a little old boy say, Mama, there's Chuck Norris. Come on. Yes, sir. And so I walked on up to the counter because old Darren Parker was working it and I knew him. I said, Look here, man, play along. So little old boy gets his candy and his drink and walks up there to the counter, and I'm standing there. I said, Okay, so what we're gonna do, we're gonna close the whole road down. We're gonna have some explosion scenes. There'll be a couple of fight scenes. Now you'll be in on this, Darren, and we're gonna let you be on it. Mr. Spikes knows everything we're gonna be doing. I said, so uh we're gonna, it's really gonna be a spectacular scene here in this movie we're making. And so the little boy leans up then. This was the selling point. He said, Mama, I told you it was Chuck Norris. And so I paid for the gas and walked out the door. The biggest mistake I made though, was I looked back to see if the little boy, if the payoff was good, and sure enough it was. He was at the door, up under the handle, peeking out the door, watching me walk across there. Now I'm peeked back looking. Well, you know, your uncle and then put some gas pumps and stuff in. Yeah. Well, on them big old poles, they weld that paper towel rack up there. Well, I had my head turned. I didn't see the paper towel rack. I ran slap into that. I'm gonna tell you something. That thing hurt so bad that I jumped up on the bumper of my truck and done a roundhouse kick and kicked that paper towel rack and knocked the lid off, and the paper towels flew up in the air, and I just came out of them. They was all tussling around me, and I come out of them like a cloud and got my truck and drove off. Now, there's one right there. That little old boy knew that Chuck Norris had been.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Ain't nothing like paper towels tussling around up in the head. Now, I this is in honor of Chuck Norris, and he just passed away. One of my favorite actors of all time.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. You know that little boy's probably throughout his whole life. You know, I met Chuck Norris one time. I watched him bump his head on a paper towel holder at the gas station.

SPEAKER_02

Now that Joker kicked it, and uh he couldn't kick it off the pole, but he kicked all them paper towels out of the top of it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, maybe his mama told him straight afterwards, yeah. You know, down the road away.

SPEAKER_02

No, I ain't even lying. Everything could have happened except for that kick, that roundhouse kick made it. There you go. I may have just bumped my head, and it may have been what sold uh mom. I don't think it's him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Well, there you go. That what a story that was.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it was true. Yeah, up until you know.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I had to post a picture just so people say I got one on my phone. I I'll add in there. So Austin, I want to hear some stories, man. Oh. So go ahead and kick off with the best one you got. Let's go ahead and just let's just start it off.

SPEAKER_00

Let's just I'm gonna ask y'all, y'all y'all ever been invited anywhere to go hunt? Yeah, yeah, invited, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Would you say a good bit? I'd say a a decent amount. I I probably not as much as I wish I was.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but you well by G Bus one. Yeah, I've been invited. I want to be invited more. I I I actually could hunted Patronus' farm up there with a bunch of yeah, but I mean that was that was a good deal. Back in high school, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I I can tell you of a time uh of a fella, Greg, his name was Greg, and y'all know him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we won't disclose his last name. But uh we all went to church together, and me and my dad and Greg, we all rode up well, he had a little piece of property in Alabama. And I was probably about 14 years old, 15, you know, shoot a rifle good.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Uh and we all went up there and stayed, and you know, that night and the next morning, you know, we kind of figured out where we were gonna go, and he had a place that he always kind of hunted, and he told my dad you need to go there. And you know, I didn't really want to sit with my dad, so you know, I was trying to scramble, you know. 14 years old, I can I can go by myself. And he said, you know, way back in the back past them chicken houses down there, if you it's way grown up, way back in there. But I think there's an old stand back there. He said, I ain't been back there in years. And I said, Well, I'll just go, I said, I'll just go down there. Yeah, you know. So I I wind up, I go down there and it's thick and it's you know head high. And I weasel in and I find this old double man ladder stand. I climb up, and it the place is kind of like a grown-up cutover.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Probably about 30-acre cutover growed up, and I climb up in the stand and it's and it starts breaking daylight. And you you know, at the time you had those slider phones. I don't know. Oh, yeah, yeah. You had them slider phones. Well, I had them slider phone, you know, just in case anybody needed to get a hold of them. And when the sun started coming up, that all I can remember was just racks everywhere. Come on. I I'm talking about it, you know, even before the sun came up, I can hear something rustling, you know, back there in the bushes. And I say, well, something's, you know, I made sure everything was good. I I believe it had a brown and uh automatic, you know, safari edition. Yeah. Oh, come on. It holds some holds some rounds.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And uh, so anyways, it it starts breaking daylight. I start seeing deer, and I just I start shooting. I shoot, I shoot one buck, and and you know, he didn't go down, and I'm not one to let one just, you know, you know, we'll see if he goes down. You know, it's it's a load.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

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So I start unloading on this one buck. He's a nice eight-point, you know, biggest I ever seen. But I mean, I don't know, honey compass a lake. You don't see a deer, but once every two years. And so I start firing, and I I got that one, and I'll and and more deer, and and more bucks just popping up, and I'm I'm firing. Boom, boom. I shot at four bucks that morning. Wind up killing two of them, but the whole time I was firing, I and I always kept bullets in my pocket. Yeah, you know, I don't know about y'all, but you know, oh yes, I want to have extras. Yeah, I'm not just you know, I'm gonna bring some extras. So I'm I'm loading the gun and I'm and I'm picking up steel shit. These deer don't know what's going on. Come on. There's does, there's bucks running.

SPEAKER_02

And you could shoot bucks or does here.

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Oh, I don't know what you could do, you know. This this was 14. Yeah, this was this was a long time ago. But the whole time that I had that phone, it was sitting down, this it didn't even have a seat on it, you know. It was sitting down there, you know, and I, you know, I seen it ringing, but I kept I was loading that rifle, and you know, I was just shooting. I shot at four bucks, and the whole time, you know, while all that's going on the phone's ringing, eventually I get done shooting, ran out of ammo. Come on. I didn't stop shooting because I wanted to, or there wasn't not no more deal. I just ran out of amount. I love that. So I so I picked up the phone and it was my dad. I said, What's going on? I said, There's bucks everywhere. I said, I just shot four or five of them. I said, I said, you got to go here. Next one calling is is Greg. We won't say his last name once again. I want to so bad. Yeah. But uh he he's he's calling, he said, you need to get a hold of Greg because he's keep calling, you know, this is his place. I said, Well, you got to get up here. I said, This is unreal. So, you know, winds up, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I want to go to Greg's place.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I can tell you what, but he got it. But we'll get into that in a little bit. So we find a deer. Um, we get a hold of Greg. He he drove a little camera at the time, uh like a 90s model camera, you know, no tent on the windows. And he came through there with that with that camera. I'm talking about brush. You know how it gets that old grass, got a little biology. Oh, he came plowing in there, and you know, I believe think he was mad. Uh-huh. You know, I mean he he he was on it when he came down there to me, and we found dear, we found the two bucks that I shot and got him out of there. But I'm just gonna tell you, I have never been back to that place. And honestly, I've never been back to a I've never been back to a place I've you know I've been invited to.

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Yeah.

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But I I don't know about y'all.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I'll say this. I was told by a guy one time that went with some people up to Alabama, and he said, I knew that I wasn't gonna get one shot at this.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

He said, he said, he told him, he said, look, they said, look, what when you want to speak you up? He said dark. And I'm talking about this is the morning time. He said, they said, what you got? He said, well, I got something to eat for lunch. And so so I'm figuring this is what you do, and you done right. I mean, you shoot what you can shoot, yeah, go and get what you can get. And uh and I remember I never forget it. It was when Tim Miller told me he went with some family, family member Tim Miller from Southport. And he told me, he said, Yeah, he said, I knew I wasn't going back. Probably gonna get invited again because he was there to kill some bucks. And whoever it was, he was with family members, but I never forget him telling me that. And uh and he stayed all day, but he killed some bucks. He was a kill, he was a buck killer.

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That's one thing I've actually been I've been telling I talked to someone not long ago about this. I said, you know, I said, everybody's got these leases in Kentucky, and they got leases in Alabama and Georgia, and they got all these nice little leases everywhere. You know, I've never been invited to get on a lease with anybody. Never. Like I have uh I I'm either the guy having to try to find the lease and then that's it, and then I'm doing the inviting, but I have yet to be invited to join a lease with somebody in a in a in a good spot.

SPEAKER_02

Well I mean, you know, or either maybe they need somebody there and they're gonna give you the gar hole spot. Yeah, yeah. Now, I I'm I'm I'm curious about this. Hey Greg, you still got that police piece of land up there? I want to I want to hunt by the chicken chicken pens. Yeah. I just I just won't throw that in there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean uh I mean I ain't never been there.

SPEAKER_02

So he probably let me go once.

SPEAKER_00

I I seen him not too long after that, probably four or five years after that, actually was putting a roof on his house. And uh I said, hey Greg, you you remember that time we all went there? He he he looked at me and said, Yeah. And you know, that was it. That's all we said.

SPEAKER_02

Evidently, Greg hadn't done as good as you did that day.

SPEAKER_00

You know, I don't I don't know, it just might have been my day, you know.

SPEAKER_01

But I swear, I like there's sometimes, man, there's some days you just got it. Like I remember that. Think about that. Oh he's got the he's got he's got the the the the trigger finger, man. He's got the golden trigger finger and the rabbit's foot all at the same time. If anybody's gonna kill a big in that but it's like whenever we went out of state and we're hunting, and I shot that good buck.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And I turned around, and then a day later, I was uh, you were sick.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I was sick, so I told him I said now I told him I said, Look here. Go on fill my tag. I don't know if you're supposed to say that or not.

SPEAKER_01

Oh Lord. He did say that, but I didn't. I did so what we did was I I grabbed that old I had that crossbow with me. Yeah. And uh I'd already killed a stud, man, so I'd I had uh I said, you know, I'm gonna go scout for you. I'm gonna make sure you kill one. I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give, I'm gonna get you a shot. And so what I did is I left that I found me this spot. I'm always the guy, I'm gonna go to the overlook spot. I might not go as deep as everybody, but I'm generally I I like to either go deep where no one's been, or I'll go to the little tiny tracks. Everybody's like, ain't no deer there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Because those spots I find even have a lot of deer in them.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And uh just gotta kill him before he goes into some else's play.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Well, there was this one spot that I went to and I crossed this this one area, I come up the other side, and I'm just seeing deer sign everywhere. And I didn't see no trucks. I see trucks where they were parked on the other places, but this spot for some reason just didn't have nobody at it. And I get down and I get in there, and I there's rubs and scrapes all over the place. It's thick and there, man. I'm like, wow. It's nasty looking. It's nasty, it's muddy. And so I went and walked around and I come around this other side, and I remember sitting there and I just see this tree. I'm looking over this brush, and I'm seeing this tree just just doing that number right there. Yeah. And the wind's hit me in the face. And I'm like, what in the world? That's gotta be a buck hitting that tree. And sure enough, I'm sitting there and I I get my phone out, I start filming, and I I I hunker down behind this tree, and sure enough, this buck starts cruising through, comes up, and he's within 10 yards of me. You see why he's a big old wide eight-point. I mean a big old eight-point. He's looking right at me. And I remember thinking to myself, Well, I'm glad I didn't bring the crossbow because it would have made it, it, it would have, uh, it would have been the test of all tests. I promise you. I probably I probably'd have failed. Listen, you gotta know your limitations. If you know that you got a weakness, you know, you gotta fight that weakness. I I tried to help myself out, but I promise you, if I had a crossbow, I wouldn't have been able to help myself.

SPEAKER_00

Different story, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It'd be a different game. I'll just tell you, if you told me to feel yours, I'd have felt obligated.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, you got to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But honestly, since you gotta feed the paint.

SPEAKER_01

Since you missed the next day, I kind of wished I'd have felt different.

SPEAKER_02

You've seen the video. That's the same exact place. Yeah. I took it. It was a different buck. Is it one of the same buck? No.

SPEAKER_01

So anyway.

SPEAKER_00

Pretty good spot.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, pretty good. That's it. It was pretty good.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, that's kind of crazy how that is.

SPEAKER_00

I got a story. Uh it's turkey season, so that reminded me y'all was talking about creek side forms earlier. And uh, we was I this I did get invited one one more time. This is a place, not not to Greg. Me and me and Greg, we lost touch after that. Yeah, it was no.

SPEAKER_02

We love you, Greg.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. And uh, so I got invited to go turkey hunting. I've never been a big turkey hunter, and uh and so we was hunting on this nice, pretty, pretty place, you know, out of state. I won't say this state because people connect the dots on this one a little too much. So we was hunting and we had found some birds, but you know how it is, you know, you got the farmland and then you got the land you can hunt.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know, I mean, that's just pretty much you know how it always is. So we had been watching these birds, you know, pushing the limits a little bit. And uh, you know, it was Friday, and we we went back to bed, and Saturday morning we had a game plan. We're gonna go get on these birds we seen out in this farm. And uh, so we get we get in there that next morning. I got somebody with me. I won't say his name either. But I got somebody with me, and uh, we we get set up and you know, right before dark or right before daylight, I get out there and I'm I crawl out there, kind of a little rise in the field right out there, and I set that old hen decoy up, you know, just on the edge. And uh I get back over there and you know, all of a sudden I can see I can see you know birds, they're flying down and you know, blowed up. And uh I said, oh, oh, there's one right there. And and you know, there's several birds going on at this moment, and I'm I'm I'm fisting it. Wait a minute, hold on, I gotta make sure I got my details right. No, that's right. Yeah, oh, it's bad. Yeah. So yeah. So when the birds came down, there were several birds, and we got confused. Okay, and I didn't know about chokes and all, you know how they make them shoot real far now. That just had a brown and A5, you know. It had a barrel, you know. If you put it in the floor, boy, it'd about stick over the head. Oh, yeah. I figured it was good. Oh long count. This this boy that was with me, he said, he said, shoot, shoot, you know, shoot. So I fire. Boom! All of a sudden, when I fired that gun, another shot rang out. Come on. And I'm talking about it it was it was so close that there was nothing left to do but run. Come on.

SPEAKER_02

So somebody's hunting the same bird.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I shot at one at one bird. Turns out that was a decoy. That was his that was that was that fella's decoy he had put out that morning. I guess he had we had just missed each other. I mean, we're talking minutes, you know. Did you kill his decoy? Oh, I know that sucker stood tall. I don't I don't think I cut a hair on that decoy. But when he shot, we tore out, and this fella had he was a little older, you know, a little older man. He he said, hey, hey, you know, wait for me. We had to cross a few creeks and I said, Hey, every man for himself. I said, you know, I'm out of dodge. Oh boy. And and you know We don't need to be together when he split up. Yeah, them people that I that invited me, they made me go back. And I don't know, you know, it's amazing how this worked out. I don't guess the fella ever seen the hand decor that we set out.

SPEAKER_02

So you had to go get it?

SPEAKER_00

I had to go get it. Yeah. I mean, they were not, I said, look, I'll buy you another decor. I mean, I'm not going back down there. Oh my goodness. They made me go back down there. Yeah, I sure did.

SPEAKER_01

Man, that actually leads me into the perfect story. Okay, whatever. But let's pause for just a second because I think that camera's gonna cut off. But man, I've been waiting to tell this story for since we started the podcast. One of the probably most interesting stories I've ever had. Okay. I want to tell it. Let's do it. Alright. So the story I wanted to tell, and since it's hunting season, it's turkey season, me and my brother-in-law, we we used to always do this. Now we got kids and families and stuff like that. We do it a whole lot less. Uh we haven't done it in years. And uh, but we would always go away out west, away northwest. Nebraska, South Dakota, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Tennessee. Like, I mean, we've been all over the place. And we um we have had a blast. But one story that particularly sticks out to me is probably the most interesting thing that's ever happened to me. And so there was this there was this time we were way up north, way out west. All right. We were in South Dakota, and I remember we were sitting there and we found this spot, and we this spot was so fired up. We weren't at this place first, we weren't in South Dakota at our destination for 30 minutes. We go ahead and throw our stuff in the can in the cabin. We throw our mouth calls in. We're just gonna go scouting because we don't know this place. We ain't never been here before. And I went and bought me a mouth call from Cabela's. It was the ugliest sounding call you ever heard in your life. It sounded like trash.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I've never had a call sound so bad. But I wanted to use it. So it's kind of like, does it sound better in my call where I go, it sounded very similar, actually. It's real high. It was so high pitched. You hear them old timers, they'll go there. I can call my mother. But it was so high pitched it would break glass. I I it was it was awful. And so I remember we went out there and we weren't there 30 minutes, and within we we got out of this out of the truck first spot, and I throw that mouth coal in and I start calling, and we had two double gobble right across the creek from us. We went, ran, sat down real quick, kept calling, kept calling, and man, both them birds flew that creek. We killed two birds within being in South Dakota for in thirty like thirty minutes. Well, sometimes it'll ugly sounding bird, you know. Oh yeah. Well, so then that afternoon we went to the spot and it was beautiful. And same situation. We start calling and we're just trying to scout two more birds. They're gobbling like crazy. They come running in. And we're setting up. Well, I have had the worst luck with turkey guns. Like you say, in chokes, when they get so tight, you you can start missing. Some people are like, how do you miss with a shotgun? You can get that that that wad so tight. Yeah, that pattern. I kind of like a scatamus gun. I like it to open up a little bit. Yeah, I needed it to be.

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I need to hit some just a couple of pellets.

SPEAKER_01

And so I invested so much money in this gun, and the the problem was the choke was good, the gun was bad, in the sense of the gun shot a little high. And it with that choke, it made it even worse. And so I remember sitting there and Trevor's with me, and here comes these two turkeys running in, and Trevor shoots, kills his bird, and I shoot, I miss my bird. Well, Trevor's like, Man, what do we do? Well, we took pictures, it's beautiful. So he's like, Let's go back tomorrow. I know this because as we're walking out, turkeys are still gobbling. So we're walking out, and we come back the next day and we park on the other side. We're gonna come in from the other end. And so we come in from the other end, and we park our truck right by the road. And so this is all public ground, but you had to cross fences because some of these places are agricultural areas, like like kind of like Corey Engineer type stuff. Yeah. So we start crossing these fences, we get over this fence, and we start walking across this field where we had seen some birds. We get to the other side of the field, which is about a good half a about a quarter mile walk. I mean it's a good little walk. We're to the other side, and here comes this truck. It's a dirt road, so you can see the cloud of dust coming from a mile away. And so here it comes, all of a sudden the truck slams on brakes, and you can see our truck still. Well, he slams on brakes and they start beep, beep, beep. Like I mean, he's wailing on that horn.

SPEAKER_02

Come on.

SPEAKER_01

We're like, what is going on? Well, naturally, you're nervous, you're in that you're in a state, you're away from home. You you you don't know you don't really know where you're at. And at the same time, when there's somebody honking and up there by your truck, you gotta see what's going on. You gotta go back.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so we went out man. I'm somebody over the bust and window.

SPEAKER_01

We went back, we hear these boys hollering, we come over, we get over this fence, the guy's like, hey man, you in the wrong area. I said, No, sir. I said, according to the map, this was before Onyx was real popular. This is Onyx had just started and we had received a map to hunt these areas. And that old boy's like, hey man, you on the wrong, you're on the wrong piece. I said, No, sir. I said, according to this map, this is public ground. He says, Nope, it's not, it's my family's land. I said, No, sir. He said, and so I honestly got tired of the back and forth, and I thought to myself, and ain't like I'm about to cross this fence, go back over. We're gonna come back with holes in our tires and windows busted out. Yeah. So I was like, I'd I'd rather leave than it than than have to deal with getting worried about that, you know. So the old boy, he looks at me and he comes around the corner, and he as a guy with him, he comes around the corner, he says, Hey, you know, he might be willing to let you hunt. It was weird, like he was talking for me. He said, he might be willing to let you hunt for a little bit of money.

SPEAKER_03

He did that, man.

SPEAKER_01

He did the whole thing up. That's like we're in a movie. He's like, for a little bit of like that right there. And I said, always like that. Yeah, he said, Well, how I said, Well, how much do you want? He goes, forty dollars.

SPEAKER_02

Just forty. I said, That's it. I'd want fifty at least.

SPEAKER_01

I said, 40? I said, man, you in luck. I got a 50 in my pocket right now. It's Chris. Did he have change? No, I said, keep the 50. I don't I I mean, get you off my back. Heck yeah. Well, here's the problem we run into. He goes, yeah, absolutely. And you know what? Since you paid me$50, we do on across the road, too. I'm gonna go ahead and unlock the gate and get you in. You park there, nobody will mess with you, they won't see your truck. All right, I love that idea. Perfect. Boom, I think we just hit the jackpot.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

We he goes and opens the gate, we pull in the gate, he locks it, he clo or he closes the gate up, and we go back across the field. He drives off, he tells me his name, gives me his number. And I will not tell his name because honestly, his name's so specific. Yeah, I got a feeling somebody find him. Yeah, yeah. Very specific name. Yeah. And so we cross this field again. We get to the exact same spot. Exact same spot we were in before. And here comes another vehicle. You can see Clide. It's like a same story. Like we just went back in time and replayed the whole thing. Here comes another vehicle, stops a car where the truck air in the general vicinity of the truck is, and all of a sudden you're on. But then you're cussing, screaming and cussing. I ain't never heard no much, so much ruckus. It sounded like it sounded like a herd of cats, man. It was bad. And so we come, we're like, I mean, I look at Trevor, I'm like, he's like, what are he's like, what are we doing now? So we come across the field, get back over there, and you hear this blankety blank, blah blah blah blah, like yelling and screaming, where are you? And like calling all the like all these crazy names. I mean, and their vehicle has parked inside the gate, blocking the gate. And they're screaming. This old boy looks at me, he says, and he's they saw us come around. Well, they come up and they were very aggressive. And they're looking at us, yelling at us, screaming, screaming, screaming. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Chill, chill, chill, chill. What's going on? What's going on? She's like, She's like, You're on private land. You're on private land. You ain't supposed to be here. You're on private land. And we're gonna and and the law, we're gonna call the law, they're gonna take your guns, we're gonna take your guns from you now. Like, I mean, they just come on. I said, I have guns. I told old boys, I'd like to see you try to take a gun.

SPEAKER_02

It's hard for them to take a gun if they ain't pointing one. That's right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it is kind of hard. And so they yelling, screaming. I said, listen, what is going on? And they said, Oh, you parking on private. I said, No, no, no, no, no. I said, Listen, I had just paid fifty dollars to to Joe Smith over here, and he just came up and he said I could park in here because I paid you$50. Well, she looks at me and says, He ain't nothing but a drunk and a sorry lowlife. He's a drunk lowlife, man. And she's screaming at us. I looked at her, I said, listen, you let us out of here, I will never be back here. Yeah. I promise. I'll never come back. And she's screaming, I said, we're pulling off. I'm mad as a hornet. I call old boy up and I said, hey man. I said, I said, some crazy lady over here, uh, old old old Jane Doe, she's screaming at us, her and some other dude, and they done run us off out of here, and she's been threatening us. I said, What in the world? I said, You don't scam me out of out of$50. He goes, No, no, no, man. Don't worry about her. She's she's a crazy, she's a she's crazy, she's an alcoholic. This, this, and this, yell it. And I'm like sitting there thinking, it took me a it took me a minute. I start thinking, you couldn't even see our truck from anywhere else. They have had the perfect plan set up to scam people out of their money. Yeah, yeah. And they they but they got us. He said, listen, go ahead, go back, go park inside the gate. Ain't no big deal. And she don't worry about her. She ain't nothing but a thing, man. You'll be fine. I told other Trevor's that joker done lost his mind. I ain't never going back there. So, but anyway, that's the story. I love that. That's that's what happens when you're out of town like that.

SPEAKER_02

You don't know, you don't know the terrain, you don't know the people, uh, you don't know what the bad part of the neighborhood is or nothing like that.

SPEAKER_00

Plus the vehicle you came in on, you know, you don't need it to get vandalized. No, you needed to get ventilated. That's why you got to get home, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But when you're 26 hours from the house and all you did was drive, you need them windows. Yeah, that's exactly right. So, but uh Austin, I know I want you to I want you to hit this one home. So yeah, I know you got one, and I'm ready to hear it, man. So let's let's come on, hit it home. Take it home.

SPEAKER_00

All righty, man. Uh, I'll tell you a story about you know Illinois, the state of Illinois. I I have always managed to kill deer. The problem is, uh, up until last year, I have never made a good shot on a deer. I mean, I'm talking about with a bow. You're right. With a rifle, you know, you know, good shot.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But with a bow, I I don't know what it is. You just get excited, you know. When I pull up a bow on a deer, all I see is the whole site. Yeah. I don't know about y'all. Yeah. Uh-huh. I mean, I don't see 20, 30, four, I see, you know, the whole site.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So anytime I shoot, you know, usually I spine them. And, you know, it's never been no problem with me. As long as I can, you know, get them to slow down just a little bit, I'll I'll get on them. And I was telling uh brother Tommy before we got started, I don't know how these people, that you watch them on these TV shows, they'll shoot a deer.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And then, you know, they'll they'll they'll gather up a posse and all that. I, you know, not before they go see him, you know, see if he's dead, you know, and everything. I don't do that. You know, as soon as I shoot, if he even stumbles or just a hair, I'm I'm coming, you know. Like a hound dog. Yeah. If he I'm uh these people wait hours. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, so a deer I shot in Illinois is up on top of this mountain. So I'm in this saddle, you know. I think Tommy, you hunt out of a saddle, too. Yeah, hunting in a swing set, so I'm I'm hunting on this ridge and I'm in the saddle, and it's getting late in the morning, you know, probably 10. Uh it's it's getting late in the trip. And you know, I'm ready to kill something. So all of a sudden I catch some movement. You know how it is when you're sitting in the saddle, you're facing the tree. You know, usually if you're right-handed, your left side is your best side.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You this side over here is your weak side. I see a I see a doe coming up, and she's a big old floppy-eared doe. I mean, just a big just out of the corner of my eye, I could see her. And all of a sudden, I could hear something behind her. So when I started, I started to turn, get my bow ready, get everything. I'm I'm nearby to sleep, you know, donate all my snacks and everything. So, and I see her, she kind of coming, I can see him. He's coming right behind her. Big, I believe that one was a was a big eight-pointer. And I I get the bow, and you know, I'm getting ready to get drawn. And I believe it was right when I was fisting his jaw, that deer, he stood up here. He was he went from looking at that doe trailing just like this, he said, just like that. I mean, I'm I'm caught like this. And I've never seen this before, but that deer made a choice. Uh I mean, he he he looked at me, he looked right down at his dough, and I'm frozen. You know, I can this deer's 15 yards. Come on. I can't move. And so he looked, he looked at her, and then he looked at me. He looked at her and he made a choice, and his choice was to go ahead. He knew I was there, yeah, but he made a choice to just keep on with her. She's too sweet. Yeah, yeah. He just, he just, but anyway, so I draw back. As soon as he picked his head up and decided committed, he wanted to go ahead. I I made a shot and uh shot him in the spine. Boom. As soon as I sit or I shoot one in the spine, I start unclipping. Yeah. You know how it is in him saddle and everything. You got you got stuff hooked to you. So I start unclipping it. Like a mountain climber. Yeah, I'm getting out of the tree, you know. I got ropes, you know. How does you you think about can you let down your bow or can you just climb down without it? You know, yeah. So I, you know, I'm climbing down without it, finally get out of the tree stand, get everything. Well, he's as as all this is going on, he's starting to get up.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know, and I don't know if you've ever seen one whenever they sometimes if you hit him in the back just right, then them front legs would be. Well, they crawl themselves along. Oh, yeah. So he starts going and we're right on the edge of this cliff. I done climbed this cliff and got up on this bench where these deer were traveling. And he he starts going, I said, he's gonna get away. So I'm coming down the tree, getting my bow, and he's he's done out of sight. By the time I hit the ground, he was out of sight, but I could hear him. You know, so I start running down that way, start running down where he went off the cliff, and all of a sudden, you know, I thought he went off the cliff, I wasn't sure. But all of a sudden, another buck coming on the same trail. You know, it's a swim ridge. They can only come the one way they're gonna run into me. And uh he's coming, I saw I get drawn on him, and I was thinking, is that him? You know, it yeah, I'm feeling fire. And then I could hear I said, That ain't him, that ain't him. So I so I let that air back go. And and this deer, I when I ran up to the edge of that cliff, he was just a I mean, I'm I'm I look like Robin Hood, you know. I'm I'm pulling airs, I've probably had three or four left. I shot every one I had, you know, every air and missed every time had had one more by the time he crossed this little creek down there. The only reason I caught him, and you know, I was about to break and run, you know, just throw the bow and let's get on him with a knife.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And because at this point, I mean, this ain't working. You know, every time I'd shoot, he'd when you hit him in the back, they're kind of like, yeah, they're they're moving like this, and every time I'd shoot, he just said his side. But I got down on him in that creek bed, across the creek with him, he came up that side, and the only reason I got him, when he was crawling like that, there was a big log, and he tripped over that log, kind of got hung up. Well, when he did, he turned just broadside, looked, looked right, you know, turned around, looked right, knew he was, he knew it was, you know, it was over.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Then when he turned, I had that last arrow. Picked it up and back into. Wow. I I don't know about I've I've shot probably four or five. I all the big deer that I got on the wall, I've spined. Oh yeah. Except for the one I shot last year.

SPEAKER_02

Well, the g the thing about that spine is that that joker's it may be broke in half, but uh you you do still have a business end at the front end unless you get him far enough. Sometimes you can spine them and it'll kill them. I don't know. Uh but I I I've done it with a rifle. Now it may be shock. I but just to let you know this, I've never killed a deer with a regular bow and arrow. Really? I'll vomit some up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And then I found out you could use a crossbow. And so but you can look at my complexion, there's not any Indian in there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I I can't even I can't I couldn't make an arrowhead if I wanted to.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's all brown and arms.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, sir. I remember we were all in uh it was that trip that we went on, and I remember no, this was actually, yeah, we were uh we were at a separate hunting camp, and I remember that we were hunting, and this is before any of us had ravens. Your daddy was the only one. Your dad and I think Duane were the only two I knew that had ravens.

SPEAKER_00

He must have had a little bit of cash. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

They had a little burn money to burn.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, sir. I remember hunting, and it seemed like I guess this trip, every single deer we hunted was all out of range. Yeah. Every time we'd set up, I'd set up out of range. I remember me and Trevor sent up, and we, it was just one of them days, man. It was an overhunted spot, but somehow it just worked out. We just stumbled up on like three bucks, two bucks fighting on the top of this hill. Giants. I mean, they're just boom, boom, boom, does deer, buck. I mean, everywhere.

SPEAKER_02

Too far away.

SPEAKER_01

Every one of them too far away. We just sitting there up against trees and having a.

SPEAKER_02

If you had one of them ravens, you could have killed him.

SPEAKER_01

That's right. Well, that's what we were thinking. And so I had that compound bow in my hands, and I'm thinking, what in the world are we doing? And uh, here comes his buck, and and and he walks about six yards. He's the one that got beat. The one that won still stayed on top of the hill. Yeah. And he was a giant one that got beat. He was bigger than the one on a hill, in my opinion. And he's walking down, and and I thought Trevor's gonna shoot at Joker State about just outside of 60 yards. Well, it's early in the in on the hunt, so we're like, man, that this spot's hot. It's a hot spot. We're gonna we're gonna come back to this. Right. And so he done moves on while I'm sitting there, and I come back to camp. Now I remember I think Brigham started saying something about out of range, and Jordan said something about out of range.

SPEAKER_00

Sound like excuses to me.

SPEAKER_01

That's what it sounded like.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, I'm gonna tell you something. I'll just throw this in there. Now, this is part of the reason why I ain't killed that many with a bow. But if I don't think that joker's coming, I'm talking about I'd I I you know I always thought that I like this saying.

SPEAKER_01

You're a win in doubt, send a scout kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02

That's exactly what I fit in to say. When in doubt, send a scout. That joker's going on, you just raise it up just a little bit, slang an earl at him. I want to hit him. You know, the coolest thing would be hit him in the right in the back of the neck and that joker, because that's the spinal one that's gonna drop you right there.

SPEAKER_01

You all you go all medieval on them things. Well, you're gonna be a big thing.

SPEAKER_02

I'm telling you right now, I saw some uh medieval movies. Them ones that go up in there is the one you better watch. If that joker ain't got no shield, he's done for it. That's right.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe I remember on this trip, man, we all started talking. I think it's when the talk of crossbows started coming into play. And I remember I wasn't there, but you were there. They all went to a bow shop and started shopping around for crossbows while they were there, did they not?

SPEAKER_00

Calling their wives.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know, asking if they can spend some money.

SPEAKER_01

Didn't Jordan end up like buying one from your dad? He bought that one from your dad.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know what happened. I think he bought the one my dad had, and then my dad bought another one. Or I don't yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

One thing about old Henry Zap, though, he's a wheeler dealer. He's swapping. You know. I bought a Toyota truck from him one time. Yeah. It was 86 model Toyota, or no, 90. It was it was a good looking truck, green, Toyota four-wheel drive, man. And uh I we raised the hood up and I was looking at it. I thought, man, that's a nice truck, regular cab.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I said, Man, that motor's clean. And then it dawned on me.

SPEAKER_00

He just cleaned it.

SPEAKER_02

I said, Is this clean when you bought it or is it Henry Sap clean? He dropped his old head down. He says, See Henry Sap clean.

SPEAKER_01

Listen, I I bought that was a good truck. That thing was good for when I sold it. I bought a Yamaha Grizzly, if you remember about two years ago.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I tell you, that thing runs like a tops. 2003.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

2003. I remember when I was pulled up and I looked, I went and looked at that thing, and I was like, this thing looks bright. Did you get putting new plastics on this? He said, no, no, no. They just took real good care of it. I'm telling you, man, that is the it's still the engine was clean. There wasn't no grease, wasn't no dirt, wasn't no money. I'm telling you, your dad needs to go in the detail business after he's done building ships. Because I'm telling you, my goodness, but I I got a good deal, I think, on that.

SPEAKER_00

I'll tell you, anytime I tried to sell something and he said, You gonna try to sell it like that?

SPEAKER_03

That's just the way you're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, it ain't been washed as it rains, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Well, that's my philosophy. A lot of people are like, Man, you you got a decent truck. You don't never wash that thing. I said, It's gonna rain for two months. That's it. If I wash it, that means I gotta go get it washed again. I gotta keep it up. So you might as well just leave it dirty. Well, just leave it dirty.

SPEAKER_02

If you ride around with your mama, she's she's got that toilet That's right. Vehicle of hers, man. She's if she had me killing um carpenter bees the other day. Got all that bee poop on her. Yeah, set of bees have been pooping on her car. I've had to kill oh my goodness. Pressure washer and all, or just No, I had to kill I had to go in there and plug up all the Bumblebee holes. I'm talking about everything, man. It's crazy. You ain't never lived until you played a game of uh Bumblebee bad method. I'm serious. She's got a badminton record. She'll run around the yard and kill them. Kill them down.

SPEAKER_01

Chasing them down. That's fun stuff, right there.

SPEAKER_02

I'm talking about people's stuff ain't gonna be pollinated. I mean, it's terrible. I don't know what but they got pollen on their legs. I don't know what in the world.

SPEAKER_01

Well, other than that, man, that's all we got. We run out of time. But uh listen, I just want you to know we're so glad that you came to the I Neem Line Podcast. We're gonna close out in prayer and uh let's go from there. You want to close us out? Yes, I sure will.

SPEAKER_02

Go ahead. Lord, we thank you for this day. I thank you, Lord, for good friends. I've known this young man for a long time, and what a great outdoorsman he is, a great father, teaching his boys the way of the wild. Ask you to just go with us and keep us, God. Touch each one, touch your family, touch Austin and his family, Lord. Touch his his parents. Lord, uh touch us just everything he puts his hands to, Lord, when it comes to fishing or hunting or whatever. Uh he's a blessing to be around. Hearing these stories are wonderful. Ask you to just go with us, bless his podcast, and the ears that hear it, Lord. I thank you for all you've done for us. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen.

SPEAKER_01

Listen, we're glad you came by. Yeah, that was great, man. You we you stopped a little early. We gotta say goodbye.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I'm sorry. Gotta say goodbye.

SPEAKER_01

You ready to check it out, ain't you?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I'm getting low on my coffee here this morning. It's it's it's thirsty time.

SPEAKER_01

It's thirsty time. Well, listen, let's try that again. We're so glad you came by. And uh, don't be a stranger. Y'all come on back around. We'll be back in two weeks, so that's all we got. So, Austin, you can you can put your name in there and win that stuff too.

SPEAKER_00

I don't think I can. I'm family.

SPEAKER_01

Well, there you go. That's probably not. Well, well, the other thing too is he's probably done turkey hunting after that whole situation. Yeah, it's a bad deal.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I don't have to worry about getting invited nowhere.

SPEAKER_02

Look, look, hold on. Well, somebody invite my good friend Austin Sapp somewhere. Please, please. Invite him. He's young and he's gotta eat.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, it's getting bad. Yeah. Well, here we go. Listen, it's good hanging out with y'all. Y'all, yes. Spending time with y'all. We'll see y'all next time. That's the Ineviline Podcast. Yes. See y'all with y'all.