Inside the Movement Defending Trans Equality Nationwide

What does it actually take to defend trans rights in 2026?

This week, Connie and Lina sit down with Victoria Foster James of Advocates for Trans Equality (A4TE) to talk about the legal, political, and cultural fight shaping transgender equality in America. 

Formed from the merger of the National Center for Transgender Equality (NCTE) and the Transgender Legal Defense & Education Fund (TLDEF), A4TE combines federal lobbying, direct legal services, name-change support, and impact litigation into one powerhouse organization.

More than 700 anti‑LGBTQ bills were introduced in 2025. This conversation breaks down what’s happening, why it matters, and how advocacy organizations are responding in real time. 

Plus: fashion banter, Barbie name lore, astrology detours, and a chaotic fishbowl to close it out.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

You're gonna get it, honey. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_03 0:03

It's time for the cutting up. A Kiki with Connie and Lena.

SPEAKER_02 0:08

This is your backstage pass to all the dish fish. And that's the truth, Ruth. Come on now. Get into it. Hi, Lena. Welcome back, baby gear. How are you?

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Delicious. You look scrumptious today. Oh, and so do you in that escotta. I've been just escotted, darling. And I see that we can doing the floral thing for spring.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Groundbreaking.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

But the shoulder pads that you we're both giving you shoulder pads, but yours are more pronounced.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Power.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

Power, darling. Plenty powers. Plenty powers. That's a reference from um. It was from uh Charlie, right? It was from Charlie. Plenty powers? Plenty powers. Actually, Justin Vivian Bond played her. She played Plenty Plowers, and it was a riff off of uh Charlie's Angels and um the Manson uh children. And I was one of the angels and um from Micah and of course Sherry. Oh my god. Called Charlie. It was everything. A must-see. A must-see. What we got going on today, baby girl?

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Well, we have a wonderful and incredible guest um who is from the uh incredible organization Advocates for Trans Equality. Victoria Foster James.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Welcome, Angel. How are you?

SPEAKER_03 1:40

I love that you match the sofa situation.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

You knew I was coming and bought this. I did. I've got ESPN.

SPEAKER_03 1:47

We've got ESPN. I knew. Before we even kick off any of this, I have to tell you, I don't think you know this Kan Con. Look at look at your knees flicking your ankles. Um if you have moisturizer on, you can't see this, but the shirt is going in. In.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Yeah. It's um it's a mixture of um African shea butter and um uh cocoa butter. Give me that leg.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

It's reminding me of it's reminding me of this past Sunday. I'm not just day. Uh oh, now she's looking at me. Oh my gosh. Anyway, what I was gonna say, Bashard, please, please.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

There's no.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

You love to make me hit you.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

You love to make me hit you.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Ah, Chris, Christopher, Tina. Oh, okay. What I wanted to say before my Charettes kicked in. One of my favorite names of all time, and when I would play with my Barbies um and you know, give them names and you know, scenarios with my girlfriend, Victoria has always been my favorite fucking name. And I always said because I loved Brooke Shields and I loved Victoria Principal, my name was gonna be Victoria Shields. I'm not even kidding you. So we have a Victoria here.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

In the flesh.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

In the fucking flesh. And I'm putting you in a Barbie box before you leave, so you're not going to work. It's not a bad room to be in for the rest of my life. You haven't seen the dressing room. No, I have not. Not yet.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Yeah, we'll we'll give you a tour.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

It'll be fun.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Really? It will be.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

Last scene on the TV show. That was it. Curtains for her.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Hit a con. Hey. So uh Victoria Shields. Um, advocates for trans equality is an organization. Uh, in your words, what how how would you describe the organization?

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Yeah, absolutely. And so our mission statement is to drive the community towards a society where we are no less than equal, right? And and I think the way that we try to accomplish that in the big landscape of a bajillion nonprofits is that we were two separate organizations. We were the National Center for Transgender Equality, we were the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund, both founded in 2002. We have a staff that has a combined 40 years of experience floating around in all these disparate different organizations where trans rights is one of the things that they do. Um it's one of the letters in the LGBTQ. Checking the umbrellas basically. Exactly. Um, and bringing together the National Center for Transgender Equality, a Washington, DC-based advocacy political organization that is on the Hill, on every single year with what we call lobby days. We bring our community into the hill to have them talk with their local representative, have them plea to them we exist, we have rights, we have needs. Please don't forget about us when you're casting your votes. Yes. Um, we bring that political expertise and community backing together with the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund based here in New York, a legal organization providing direct services to folks. I got my name changed through the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Funds for free as part of their name change projects. They do what we call impact litigation. So we look for lawsuits that concern our community that we think are winnable or movable, and we engage in those as well. We have a small team of incredible attorneys. They're currently engaged in a lawsuit against Aetna insurance companies to allow for them to cover facial feminization surgery. Um, as that is a medically necessary procedure. Absolutely. But most insurance is do. My insurance are like A4TE's insurer. Yeah, yeah. United Healthcare. Yeah, exactly. A Medicare is lovely. Hello in contrast. Yeah, exactly. But those of us that are not on the Medicare, we've got to pay for everything. Right, yes. And often things that are not medically unnecessary. Exactly. You know, I file for FFS with my insurer, they call it cosmetic. Right. It's not cosmetic. I do it for my safety. Exactly. I do it so that I can use the restroom, the locker room, I can be a woman in everyday life. But and that's not cosmetic. So regardless, I've already been on too long, but we bring this sort of political bringing the masses into the halls of government when laws are discussed and passed on the ground level, then when the bad laws are passed or good laws are trying to be overturned. That goes to the courts. And so we need to bring our community into the courts too. So when these two organizations were working separately, you know, maybe a meeting every month between heads of the organizations to try and collaborate together under the same roof, we're making decisions together. Especially as maybe voting rights maybe get suppressed in certain areas. We need to win that in the legal realm, or maybe a legal case by a Supreme Court that is overwhelmingly Republican and conservative. That's almost an elected position, right? They're political actors. And so we need to get to the ballot box and the polls, change the landscape of the Congress and the president so that we can change the legal landscape. So those two things are very connected, and they've always been seen as disparate. Trans rights has been seen as one of the many different things in the LGBTQ and the social justice landscape. In A4TE, we're bringing all of this together to say we are important, we deserve representation in all levels of government, from politics to legal. We provide direct services to trans people across the country, particularly as their IDs come back with the wrong gender markers, the wrong names. We have a list of resources and attorneys available to help folks navigate those kinds of challenges. And so we're just really this one-stop shop for trans rights. Like across all areas of our lives, in all areas in which those rights are being attacked or expanded. Yeah. Right? We we we don't want to just be fighting bad legislation. We want to be around when the tides shift, you know, when and it will happen.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

He's not immortal. Trump's not immortal. No, he's not a god. He will go away eventually. When this shifts, when this changes, the fact that we've been in those halls constantly saying, please don't do any more than you're already doing. Let us play sports, let us have health care, let us do these basic acts of life. When the tides shift and we're able to defeat him, we're still in those rooms saying, Okay, now we've turned that page. It's not time to forget about us now that we've helped you win. We're still here, we still have needs, and we still have these things that harm us so badly. And so A4TE is dedicated to staying on the inside and staying in these politicians and lawyers' ears.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

That's fantastic fantastic. I have to tell you, for all of the organizations that I've worked with, this really is a one-stop shopping. I mean, the things that you all check off the box is everything.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

And especially helping the young girls with their name changes and all these things. Because, first of all, you're only thinking about trying to transition. There's so many other things that you don't realize that you have to deal and go through that. Guess what? We got you.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Right. And it's totally un how would it be sold? I was about to say it's undersold when you begin to transition. Just how there's not a manual job. Just how much you're gonna go through and how many hurdles legally, socially, in all aspects of your life. And so to have a one-stop shop that will say, We'll change your name for free. We'll handle that system for you, the morass of hiring a lawyer, you know, all these different things. You don't have to do that. We'll do that for you.

SPEAKER_03 9:45

I just love the visibility that we're seeing because when we were coming up, none of this was happening. So to see this beautiful goddess in front of us doing the work that you're doing is everything. And being in those rooms, what? This is what it's about, honey. We're everywhere. Yeah. And you got good brows. That's the most important part of all, though.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

I told you, Brooke She has brows, you take a good chart, and she held like you are her. Because um it it is about personhood. Yes, and um your presence now, before, now, and then is is um consistent and it um it doesn't give them a chance to pass us over. And that's so like vital and important that we can um your organization, I said, can can be present in all of those moments. Yeah. Because we see so many like laws being like rolled back and this kind of um um sort of making us a scapegoat, and also we're we're we're going to be sort of um labeled terrorists. And you are there on the front lines holding the line and saying, no, this is untrue, it's unjust, and we can fight you in in the halls, yeah, in the halls of justice.

SPEAKER_03 11:23

So basically, she's dealing with the terrorists. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

You're you're dealing with the real terrorists.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Yeah, who's inflicting terror? Thank you. Hello. What are we doing? Thank you. We're still getting licked by a dog to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

Thank you, exactly. And you're all the ones, honey, always showing up, honey, with you know what I mean? Like the most, and I mean, they're always getting clocked. They're always getting clocked. Bitch, you don't hear any drama and mascara about the trans community as far as the deprivity that is coming from the Republican Party. No, yeah. Or MACA.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Because if it actually existed, if what they say about it's actually happening. Hello. Baby. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

So be on the front page every single day.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

You don't want us, trust me, you do not want to see us go that route, which we could never, but if we did, you wouldn't want it.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Yeah, you want terror? Hello.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

I'll give you terra, honey. A Yorkshire Terra.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Yeah. To your point, over 700 anti-LGBTQ bills introduced last year in 2025 alone. And I say not even anti-trans, LG, anti-LGBTQ, because take an anti-trans or anti-drag ban, for example. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that doesn't just affect trans people. Yeah. But it affects us disproportionately. We're the gender benders, we're the ones throwing on the makeup and an affront to the society, right, right, as it were, the patriarchy. Yes. And so we have to be in not just in DC, but we have to be in every state. Absolutely. Yes. Because these things start at the state level. They start when nobody's paying attention. Right. A small school board hearing in middle of nowhere. And that catapults into a Supreme Court case that now suddenly trans kids can't play sports anymore. Yes. I mean, we've got these two cases before the Supreme Court of uh young girls, one in Idaho, one in West Virginia. Small places where you don't see a lot of us. Right.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

And they know that, and they attack these girls. I mean, these girls are one of the only women in their entire state to be playing sports, and they get attacked. One of them as young as 15 years old playing middle school sports.

SPEAKER_03 13:32

It's difficult just being a teen. So come on, leave me alone with all this.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

You know, the sanctity of 15-year-old track and field competition, we're not saving anybody. We're inflicting terror to your point on one 15-year-old girl. She'll get, you know, if the case comes through and this conservative court does what we all expect them to do, they're going to prevent this one girl from playing track and field. And and whose lives will be changed.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Everybody continue to get poorer. Yeah. Everybody's going to can the world's going to be more polluted.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

And they're going to continue to distract us from what's important.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Well, it's all, as we've said this a million times on this show, it's all a distraction. And we know why. So it's around. I mean, come on. It's every single day. It's just one mascara at another. I can't, people. Ay, vei.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

The children of the corn are on a whole nother level. Well, it's it's an easy win. It's an easy win for a politician who cannot say, I can't do anything about your health care, your cost of living.

SPEAKER_04 14:31

Transgender! Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Just don't transgender. And you're like, done. You know, I I can't I can't help you with that. Yeah. But here's a but but here's a trans kid who wants to be in a locker room and wants to play sports. Oh my god. This is what I've done. Imagine. Win column.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

For for what?

SPEAKER_00 14:51

For a kid having done nothing. Hello. Having done nothing.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

And you know, they wanted to kick a ball.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Yeah, thank you.

unknown 14:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

They wanted to get a ball. We can kick two with that one. That's it. That's it. And it's it's it's just like so Dr. Evil.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

It is. It's completely Dr. Evil, and it's completely, I cannot do anything else. I'm in the pocket of, you know, an oligarch. Yeah. And we all have to keep the balls up in the air. So so let me pick on the weakest. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

I mean, they identified our community as small and able to be picked on. Yes. And that's because organizations like A4TE, with this all-encompassing ability to defend the trans community at all levels, being present at all levels, just wasn't in DC saying, we exist. Like you can't keep doing this. We're gonna organize voter power, we're gonna organize and build power to basically hold you accountable to say, if we elect you and you forget about us, good luck getting re-elected. Thank you. If we elect you and you harm us, we'll get you out of office. And they saw about a decade ago that we had no coordinated efforts to protect us. Yeah. Bathroom bill, I'm from North Carolina. I was born and raised in North Carolina. I remember when um they banned trans women from women's bathrooms in North Carolina back when I was a kid. My mom had a sign on the front of our lawn advocating for it. I mean, that's that's the home I come from. Amazing, amazing. And so to remember how long ago that was, and we're still in the same place, still in the same fight, nobody it was a it was a conversation dictated by our opponents for 10 years. Yeah. Where they just get to make up stuff about trans people, and nobody's there to challenge them.

SPEAKER_03 16:47

But the but the but the mistake that they have made, and then they're realizing this, especially with organizations like you and people like us who have voices and who do the work. You may think that we are a small margin of people, darling. First of all, we have gone through it fiercer than anybody. Okay? And we always will, and you can't take us and come for us. It's not happening.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

We're everywhere. Or just listening to uh a financial podcast this morning. This Irish guy is using the phrase it's giving. I have you noticed this everywhere. We've always been the imprint of this community is everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

Fashion, wordage, visuals, all of it.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

And that that there is a power to that that our community is continuing to learn to wield. And that communities that we benefit are learning that where it comes from. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

And so because it's like we've we've always benefited society. Those who challenge gender norms and who want to, you know, w women would still be in in in like, you know, in knee length or ankle length dresses. Like hers. Shady vins. It's not true. It's not wrong. I had to. I saw but but but you now have the choice. Our existence has been.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

I wonder how you're gonna take it when you go.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

Women women decided, you know, to wear pants. Yeah. And it was freedom, and it was then looked upon as uh as you're going to destroy the world. But now there's a choice. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

Women are wearing short skirts looking like whore.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

Like a whore.

SPEAKER_03 19:08

Hello. Like a whore.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Oh, okay. I love wearing a short skirt.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

Horror's never gonna woman to wear shorts on the shit. She thinks she's wearing an ankle length.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

We our existence has helped society throughout history. And to try and erase us is to try and escape from how how society how um humanity is set up.

SPEAKER_04 19:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

Humanity is set it is set up in ways for there to be balance. Right. And we provide so much balance in this world. It's it's you know, it's um it's incredible that that they're trying to sort of take our language and take our lives um to better themselves, but but when it comes to us, we have to be they want to control their narrative, yeah, eradicate it.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

To to repress any type of woman, trans women, cis women, this is exactly what they want to do. They want to take and have us where they want us, yeah, but they don't want us to have a voice.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

No, they want to consume us like another product that they buy at the store. And when you use the rest of that product, you throw it away and you don't think about where it goes. I've never been to a landfill. Yeah, I don't know where any of my garbage goes. Right, right. And they just see us in the same way. Yes. And they don't because they don't literally see us.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Oh, they see us, honey.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Well, they choose to look away, but they don't choose to look at us. They may see us in the world, but they don't want to look at us.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

It wasn't meaningful. Well, they look at what you looking at. You know what I'm talking about. The hidden secret sugar.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Well, yeah, they they they look at us uh it um to fetish and and and for us to be sort of this, you know, um uh plaything. Yeah, exactly. You know, uh a blow-up doll with a pulse. Yeah. And and also with trans men, it does it does um battle and stand in the face of toxic masculinity because there is this sort of balance of caring and nurturing because it's like, you know, how how um how how do you trust a man with a child if you don't think he's going to be nurturing? And we we we look at we look upon that as sort of being feminine, but it's it's part, we're all we're all dual, and we all have the parts that um you know of of our personality and ourselves that are vital to us going on as a society.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

They put us in boxes and trans people. Throw the boxes away. Yeah. It's not that we shuffle which box we're in. We uh we just say, forget the boxes. That's right. I'm gonna exist regardless.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

I want to color with all the crayons. Yeah, clear. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Crayola.

unknown 22:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Who are you calling the crayon? Look at that makeup. Come on, I swear to God, I didn't read it. It's not true. It's not true.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Advocates for Connie Fleming. Advocates for trans equality.

SPEAKER_03 22:28

Stand up in the comments.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Please.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

She made me do it. She made me do it. The triangle, what type of energy are you bringing in here? I love it.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Equality.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

Quality.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Equality, long skirts.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

Long skirts. Welcome to the Amish.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

On the farm, we're all equal, okay? Exactly. Hello. What is your sign, sweetheart? I am a Quintuple Scorpio.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

What? Quintuple? That's a first on this show. Can you believe? That's maybe. I've never heard of another thing. I don't think I've ever met. I met maybe two, but never three.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Damn, Gene.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

So rising sign, sign sign.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

So sun and moon, Scorpio. Wow. Um, Aquarius rising. Oh, okay. I love that. Wife is a Virgo. So she's me.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

Love Virgos, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

Oh, I have, yeah. Oh my god! Cherry James. Oh my gosh. The world is tiny. There's five people in this room. Please give her some sugar for me.

SPEAKER_03 23:30

Three of them are in this room. Please give her some sugar for me. Oh my god. Love her. I think we did. Did we take a I think we took a photo that time? Yes. We did. Oh, that was a good time. That was a good time.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Dal Invasion raised money for advocates for transequality. Thank you. Hello, Dalvation. Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

Exactly. Hello. Full circle.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Full circle moment.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

Are they doing it again this year on the Amazon?

SPEAKER_00 23:52

They are. They are doing it again this year. I don't know if many details have been released other than the weekend date. Uh-huh. Okay. Venue, that kind of thing. Right, right, right. But come on, Fran. It's happening. Fran's error. That's right. Hitting the bricks on it.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

We have to have Fran on, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Hitting the bricks. Wrong phrase to use for this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Fran Dresser. That's how she became Nanny.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Oh, oh. I know, I know. I almost later.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

You know what the nanny is? No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

I was like, is this a we've we've been infected by Sherry Vine and Jackie? Sherry Vinstein and Lady Bunny. Yeah. So we we we changed nanny to something else.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

Yeah. Starts with a T, ends with a Y. I think. Or an I. Yeah. Yeah. I look like her today.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

She came from Flushing Queens. Hello.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

The big in the hair, the small the hips look like troll chops amazing. Oh my god, you're so fun. Okay, I think it's time for a little fish bowl sugar. Palm olive hands. Oh, yay. Cistrix. So. And I did not mean to do that read. I swear to God. I love you. We're good, right? I'll work a she'll leave me and do the Connie Lingus show. Damn you, Joey. Alvaro. Alvaro. Alvaro.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

Alvaro.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

I'm next to it. Dig for a fish. I'm mixing it up. I'm digging.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

What would you get? Shades dice.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

Shade steel arise. I got really good handwriting.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

What animal did you get first?

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Oh, shark? It's like a manta ray.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Oh, is that a manta ray? Oh, yeah.

unknown 25:36

Manta ray.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Stingray, manta ray. Stingray.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Ocean.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

I'm not entirely sure what animal this is. It could be.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

I think I think it is.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

I think it is a manta ray. Those ones that go like this, right? In the water.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

And then they sting you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Couldn't have described who it was without.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

I'm gonna leave that one right there.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Underating. Yeah, undulating. Underlane. Undulating.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

My underlane. This man-ray wants us to know what subject would you be a really good teacher of?

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Okay, first of all, the narration was adorable. This manna ray wants to know. So cute. Wait, what was it again? What? Hooked on phonics, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

You're listening to me, but you hear me. No, because you're so important.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

I was looking at the face. I was like, those shields brought.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Not Brooke Shields' daughter. By the way, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

I want to don't make it get the dial, honey. She's in there.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

We'll hold it up together. Exactly. What subject would you be a really good teacher of?

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Ooh, okay. All right, go you first, my love.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

Me first. Yeah. I read the question. Yours, you're the guest.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Really good teacher of. Um. I feel like you kind of are of life right now.

unknown 26:56

Well.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Teacher of life? I mean, that's not something I could say about myself. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:02

It has to be something that somebody else says, ladies and gentlemen, Victoria Shields is a teacher of life.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Do they even understand what the Shields reference is? Um, I think you should be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 27:14

If they don't, you need to change the channel, honey. If you do not know who Brooke Shields is or Victoria Principal, we've got an issue. Regardless.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

We'll say that I would be a really good teacher of life. I'm very flattered by that.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

Well, I see it, darling. But beautiful. Appreciate you. Good. Own that.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

What would you be, a teacher of life? Or not a teacher of life?

SPEAKER_02 27:33

I think I would be a good model teacher. See, it's an easy question. I already do runway coaching. Hello. I think I would be a good art teacher.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

Oh, absolutely. Art teachers were always fierce in school. They were always very fashionable.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

We talked about the crayon. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

You call on a crayon. Me? She said that. That was me again. How dare you, Amish woman?

SPEAKER_00 28:05

I'm on my rum spring and they can't control me.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

I love it.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

No, absolutely. You would totally be a good fucking art teacher. And have you ever seen her art? I'm looking at it right now, but you know, my God, that was so exciting. That was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

I'm a lesbian. I can do this all day. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Lick a lot of plus.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

Lesbians got more than pusses, did you?

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Did you tell us? Wait, what?

SPEAKER_03 28:32

Hold on. Hello. No, don't get us started, honey. I agree. I agree. Okay. Okay. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

And and and what instruction would you be good at? Shut up, Paul Molly. Let's hold hands. It's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

I wanna hold mine. Please.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

I just got shocked. Ready? Ready, y'all? Come on, luckily boogaloo.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

That manta ray undulation, you know.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

Yes, darling. I think, well, no, I know that I would be a really good sexologist. Oh, that's yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_00 29:07

I could teach this. Not on board with this answer.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

I'm uh no, I I believe it.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

I just the least confident no I've ever heard in my life. Listen, if you had the no with a question.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

Leave your information and reach out to me, sugar. I do private courses and we can talk.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

So what? Who cares? See, she'd want to do it in an amphitheater. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

We can do it there too. That's what that's true. Whatever you pay me, I will come and I will do it there for you. But isn't that a little bit more? Wait, what? Wait, hold on. You're changing this around. We're talking about sex therapy, sugar.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Therapy.

SPEAKER_03 29:48

Therapy.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

That's what it's called.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

All right.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Therapy. Here.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

Make me shake the dice and seal the rice. Okay. That was a good one, Victoria. Madame. Moiselle. Stephen Miselle, darling. Oh, oh, I got a two. Oh, oh, okay. Oh, we've never gotten this.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

A turtle. A turtle.

SPEAKER_03 30:14

Oh my god, this is so cute. It's Gucci colored, too. Oh. Okay, let's see. Have you ever broken a bone? Really?

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Is this the one I got? I feel like it's totally rigged.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

What kind of bones are we discussing? I've got a bone to pick with you, Missy.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Sounds like something for your sex therapy.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

Um, I am so proud of you right now. I am so proud of you right now. Right now, I have a bone.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Pinky.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

Not the pinky, but it's like Victoria, you won't take this one, honey.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Okay. I have a I have an answer that immediately comes to mind. I broke my left ring finger in middle school getting in a fist fight. I was punching a guy's face. And I broke my finger punching his face.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

I was all kinds of messed up when I was a kid. You know how the puberty affects us girls and we don't know what the fuck to do? Absolutely. And so he ran into it. No, he literally tackled me. We're playing two-hand touch football. What are you doing? That's not what this is about. Thank you. It's two-hand touch. Right. That was not a touch. That was a tackle. And we had already had a little bit of a bit of a spar. He totally wanted to. And then hello. Trail. Hello. But I made sure that he was a big thing. That a warm victoria.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

Broke my finger. Thank you. And here she is, many moments later, talking about it on a talk show. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Hey, Jackson, you hear me.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

Jackson, you could get it. Are you so cute? Come to Queens, okay?

SPEAKER_00 31:53

Like, come see me.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

She's like, earnings off. You can't. All right, bone breaker. That was gorgeous. Um, no, I've I've never broken a bone, knockwood. Okay. Where's wood? Uh here, my wooden leg. Oh, uh, knockwood. Never leave hole without it. No, I've I've never broken a bone, knockwood.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

Good, good, good. Okay. All right. Have you broken a bone? Um there was one time um I I heard that um someone that I was having relations with said that he broke a bone. And I was like, but how do you I didn't realize that you can break that bone.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

You can sprain it.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

Well, I guess he sprung it.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

No sprain.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

That's one way to get sprung.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

He got sprung and you sprained it.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

Sprayed?

SPEAKER_02 32:48

Sprained.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Sprayed. Sprained. Well, he then he did all three. I'm gonna go with all three, Chuck.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

No, you got him sprung.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

And in and in the activity of making the beast with two bats, you sprained his bone.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Okay, yes. Er. Er. Work. Okay. Um come on, English course.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

Uh bone err.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

Bone er. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

You sprained it. You sprang break it.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

I sprung him and I sprang him. And then yeah. And then the third one, too. Yeah, that sprung. Yeah, he got sprung. He got sprung. Sprunged and sprang. True. True.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

This was a masterclass of idioticity, honey. Let me get for it. Victoria, I just need you to know you're always welcome back to this foolishness, honey. I'm glad to be here. And your enlightenment and schooling us and ever and all of our viewers. Concon, thank you for bringing this beautiful goddess to us, honey.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Thank you. Thank you. We met we met at Shaco. Yes. Yeah. Um at Caligularis.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

And uh you're um you brought to that to that event, you brought so much vital information. And I thank you so much. And uh where can we find you on social media?

SPEAKER_00 34:16

Well, if you're looking for me in particular, which okay, first of all, if you're looking for advocates for transequality, which is the reason for the season, head to transequality.org. Or you can follow us on social media at transequality now. You can follow me on social media, and it's a long one, once in a lifetime, never again at Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Bitch, you won't forget that. Thank you. That is everything. Thank you. And then her other one, uh uh Victoria Shields, she's gonna have uh.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

I'm gonna have to update my name. Yeah. I just literally got married two months ago, and now you gotta have to have me changing my name again. So I know your wife, she's a she's a beauty. Took her last name. You know, how could I not? Oh, wow, beautiful. Foster James. There you go. Foster James.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

Oh my god, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

And that's why we create our own names. Absolutely. Two women who created their own names, Mary and hyphenate those names.

SPEAKER_03 35:11

Oh, that's so hot. Remember Foster Grant? Hello, yeah. That's fierce. That is fierce.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Full circle.

SPEAKER_03 35:18

Wow. Wow, that is amazing. Well, you all, on that note, honey, we're here every third. Ooh, we're here every Thursday. You can like, subscribe. Victoria, thank you, darling. Thank you both. Sending you blessings, love, and light, and always some brown sugar. What you got, Con Con?

SPEAKER_02 35:35

I have some chocolate kisses from my sugar dumplings. And deuces, bitches. Deuces, bitches. Thank you, Victoria. Oh, she never went on the show. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

Come on, Crocino. We love you, Victoria. Oh my god, that was so much fun.

SPEAKER_03 36:00

Our show is produced by Josh Rosenspock and Matthew Green. Our gorgeous graphics are by Daryl Raymond. Our theme music is You Need It. Produced and written and performed by 808 Beach, John J.C. Carr, and Bill Coleman. Courtesy of Peace Biscuit. Our perfect production designer is Daryl Dickens. This season's hair has been done by the heavenly hair goddess herself, Mariah. Our very special thanks to Jason Canner for all your wonderful support. The cutting up is a Pride House Media production.