Moral Panic & Queer Cinema with Blue Film director Elliot Tuttle

Buckle up. This week we’re joined by debut filmmaker Elliot Tuttle, director of Blue Film, one of the boldest queer indie films in recent memory. The film follows a cam boy hired by an anonymous client who turns out to be his disgraced former middle school teacher. It’s not comfortable and it was too scary for some LGBTQ film festivals. 

This conversation goes deep, into queer loneliness, empathy vs. morality in film, voyeurism, adolescent desire, and whether art is allowed to be messy. Elliot talks about low-budget filmmaking, festival resistance to his movie, and landing a theatrical run (that keeps getting extended!) at NYC’s IFC Center plus a New York Times Critics’ Pick.

It’s queer cinema, but really it’s about being human. It’s messy, contradictory, and a little unhinged.

Go see Blue Film. Support queer artists. 

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“The Cutting Up: A Kiki with Connie & Lina” is a Pride House Media production.

Producers: Josh Rosenzweig & Matthew Breen.

Graphic Design by Daryl Raymond.

Original Music by 808 BEACH (John “J-C” Carr & Bill Coleman), courtesy of Peace Bisquit. 

Photography by Shane Reynolds.

 Production Design by Darryl Dickens. 

Our very special thanks to Jason Kanner for all your support.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

You're gonna get it, honey. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_02 0:03

It's time for the cutting up. A Kiki with Connie and Lena.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

This is your backstage pass to all the dish trips. And that's the truth, Ruth. Come on now. Get into it.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Con con, welcome, black baby girl.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Hello, Lena. How are you?

SPEAKER_02 0:20

I am fucking amazing. Look at you, bitch. You are letting me have it. You are daunted.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

And we did not plan this.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

This happens very often. I was like, wait, you got polka dots? What? Polka dots? Who are you calling a polka? Hey! Polka dots! You own 51% of this company, baby girl. How many shares do you have in uh the cutting up?

SPEAKER_01 0:42

I have 51 shares of the cutting up. Um, then how much would I have if it's out of a hundred? 49.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

So you paid attention to math.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

We'll have a quick story before we get to our situation. Okay. So in sophomore year, you know you could take that test. It was a scantran sheet. Scantron sheet. Yeah. Are they still around? I don't know. I don't know We're not in school alive. Maybe, maybe in some states. School of life. Some states? Okay, so Scantron sheet. So what was his name? Um, Mr. Cajou. Mr. Casu was my math teacher. Shout out. He was so fucking fierce. He used to come to all my parties, and I'd have like the best keg parties, right? And in each room of my.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

In high school?

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Yes, honey. You know, we grew up fierce in New York, honey. So he would come to my room. He used to come to my parties. And so each room was designated for a situation, right? Uh-huh. So, you know, there was a keg in each room. Uh-huh. And he would do like keg stands with us. He was really, and he was a bit overbeast, overbeast, over, overweight. Exophtic. Healthy. Okay. Robusk. Yes. Fluffy.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Fluffy.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Tasty. Sweetie. Big bone. Big boned. We're gonna go with big bone. He was a big bone guy. But then later on he did the gastric. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then he was really like. Yeah, he was feeling it, right? So because I was so cool and good to him, because you know when you're good to Leanish. Lanish is the So what had happened was he took care of me because he knew I would always freeze up on Tess. So he filled in my Scantron sheet with light pencil. What? Yes. Honey, he drank for free. I never charged him. I never asked him to give any coin for it. It was all provided by my mom.

unknown 2:26

Thanks, Mom.

SPEAKER_02 2:27

Yeah. So that's my math story. But I'm really good at math. I'm great with money. Look at my house. What?

unknown 2:34

Ah.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

So Con Con, what do we got going on today? What's the situation?

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Uh, we have the incredible filmmaker of the uh film, uh Blue Film uh director and uh creator uh Elliot Tuttle. Woo! Elliot! Thank you guys for having me.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Hi, thank you. It's so delicious. We like when we have me's on the show. Okay. We had a chip beforehand. She calls it. Now we got a mean. She's got kick rocks. We can mean a meaning. At the end of the day, for all of you who are seeing this, you know. So this is how we want to continue our situation.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

I like this. I could I wish every podcast was like this. Oh, they're not. Did you hear that?

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Rejuvenation of our juices.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

That's oh, come on. Proud of you. I love when I make her nasty. Oh proud of you. I know. Because she really is giving me, I own it, honey. Pat situation.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

I'm like, I can't. It's um, I I I'm feeling um very uh YSL. Yes, yes, yes. And um my favorite uh, no, my my top five uh Marc Jacobs collection. It 98. Yep, yep, yep. I know that's what we're talking about. It was very um uh helmet helmet Newton. Yes, it's all of it.

unknown 4:08

Loving it.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

A short dialing. Like a short sweetie.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Oh, well, Elliot, you're here.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

I'm forgetting. I mean, like, yeah, wow. I've been my little new balance sneaker.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

Baby, can I tell you something about new balance balance sneakers? Very easy for me so far. Anytime you see a man in new balance, they can always get it. Isn't it true? Okay, I don't know what it is. It's so hot, and I remember I was like, what is this new balance situation? I'm like, and then another one would walk by and I'm like, he could get it too.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

That's how I feel about like flip-flops and oh, I live for flip-flops.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

I love feet, yeah. So what you don't like feet or you're dying?

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Um, no, I'm actually like pretty ambivalent, but I think there's something uh really sexy about flip-flops and long jeans.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

I'm if I'm on my bike and I'm riding and I see toe tricks, I will run into a fucking thing, especially if they're right.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

And now new balances.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

I've been told I have pretty feet many times, though.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Oh, don't Johnny, do you need a foot massage or a scrimp?

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Oh no. Oh, oh. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

In the right hand. You won't have socks or underwear when you leave.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

I keep them, yes, I do. Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

I love the scent of them and uh whoever's watching this needs to cut to like the last minute of the episode and see what's left.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Just feet in my mouth. Elliot, it really is a pleasure to have you.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Thank you guys for having me. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

I mean, aside from the movie, which we're gonna take a lovely deep dive on, you're very engaging.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Oh, thanks.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

You have great energy about you. Thank you. And that is everything. So obviously, the gods brought us to you for a reason.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Yeah, yeah. And your dogs.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

And my dogs. My daughter was all up in you. She's smart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She knows good. Lover. She does. She knows good. Would she sniff first? Oh, oh my god. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Elliot.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Boo Phil. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Uh, it is about um it's about a camboy who takes a lot of money to meet with an anonymous man who turns out to. I mean, we'll, I'm sure we'll probably talk about all of it. Who uh a man who ends up being his middle school teacher who was disgraced for pedophilia and was in love with him.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Why don't make that face? I thought it was absolutely beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Thank you. I really did. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

I love this. Listen, we spoke about this in another episode. You know, we don't sometimes always have the luxury of having our folks know how to raise us. They do the best they can with a child. Okay. But under the rainbow coalition of things, you don't have those tools to help kids understand things. You're sold a dream in a sense. You know what I mean? We're all sold a dream, and sometimes it's all about the unconditioning of the conditioning of life.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

That being said, I don't ever like to feel like I can judge somebody or a situation if you don't know where they're coming from. And this story for me, just being the person that I am, and this is you know, everybody's got their own opinion of how they see things. I thought it was beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

I loved the connection between the two and how they they they they they they found a synergy.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

In the way they both went through kind of situations that maybe might be fucked up to somebody else, but they found each other in a way and kind of took the noose off their neck a little bit. Yeah. And made them feel a little bit better about walking their path and not feeling shame.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Yeah. I do think the both characters are yeah, joined in their loneliness, kind of. Like a lot of the film is about, I think, like how we negotiate our own loneliness, kind of. And they are, yeah, they they share a similar journey. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, I mean, totally. I mean, I think that I've gotten a lot of um, I don't know if criticism is the right word, but a lot of questions about like why would you why would you create something that uh is where you are asking us to sympathize with this one kind of character? And I think it was never it was never my intention to necessarily make an audience sympathize with this character, but I just tried to write it as plainly and honestly as I could, and I think in that kind of attention is um you know, atten giving attention to something just makes it human. And so that was a bit that's a big part I think that I've been navigating like post-release of the film when a lot more people are talking to me about it.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

If you're an empathetic person, I mean come on. Yeah, that's what it really comes down to. You know, again, you don't have got to agree with it, but you also have to be empathetic and feel and see where the other person is coming from.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

And that's also what the art of filmmaking is, is for you to um see beyond and sort of know the humanity and know what makes someone tick and how they come to that point.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

Because both of them were sort of injured in certain ways and fucked up in their own ways, but and expressed the same thing in different in different kinds of ways. Yeah. Um, the connection and sort of um how we are navigating uh the world with our devices.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Yeah. And I uh no completely and I and I um I also think that there's um I had a I had a really good thought now I'm trying to remember what it was. Oh yeah, there's something about um there's something about film where you can just like yeah, being in a theater and looking up at the screen, it's like completely like an unguarded experience. Like no one, you can you can't really see each other when you're in in the theater. And so you can like watch something on a big screen and and look so closely into someone's eyes and not feel self-conscious at all. It's like very and I think that is is like a beautiful place to meditate on lives outside of your own.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Um go to cinema to lose yourself in life as well. And like I said, goes going back to how you're raised or whatever. Listen, everybody's kind of walking this like calm, shh, don't talk about your real feelings in any sense of the meaning. Don't talk about your desires, don't talk about your fantasies. No, bitch, I want to live fucking out loud. I want to color outside the fucking, you know, the lines, you know, because again, I get to create this quick get-called life situation. Yeah, you know, I was rooting for them. Yeah, I thought it was just it was it was poetic and it was it was it was thoughtful and it and it took you out of, I mean, uh not myself because I I live in a different headspace, but it it it should take you out of your norm. It should make you want to think otherwise and about anything. Yeah, not necessarily their situation, but just about anything. You shouldn't come into this like, oh my god, listen that, and then he's saying faggot too much and blah blah blah this and that. It's like but maybe that's not your life.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

Yeah. Well, I hate this idea of film that has to be like moral. Like I think that's such a absolutely such a dangerous territory to get into when we start, yeah, thinking about it.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

It it sort of fucks people up that you know, in their own life when there isn't a happy ending or a resolve, yeah, you know, that people are going around going, oh well, it didn't work out for me and why.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Um you know, f film has to sort of reflect. And as as you were saying, um it's it's a way to be voy, um to be a voyeur and voyeuristic. Yeah. And in doing so, you get to learn. Yeah. And you get to learn guard.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Yeah, in a in a completely unguarded way. You get to just be so open to what's being shown to you. Right, right. Yes, I think I mean like I live in movie theaters, like I love going to the cinema. Like it's my favorite thing. But yeah, it's it's totally. I mean, I feel that way every time I'm I'm in front of like a big screen when I know nobody's looking at me, and it's even I mean, yes, yes, it is voyeuristic, but even like without the sexual connotation. I mean, sometimes it's sometimes it's it can be hot, depending on what you're watching. But yes, exactly. But a lot of times it's simply about yeah, like being outside of yourself. I think it's yeah, I think it's really beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

So, Elliot darling, was this this is not your first film, is it?

SPEAKER_00 12:16

No, it is. Is it really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, thanks. Well, I did yeah, I knew I I knew I could make whatever I wanted with like a tiny, tiny amount of money. I knew no one would be like trying to get their money back.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

Right, right, right, which is beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Yeah, and so it was like make whatever I want. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

And so obviously, because you've always been into cinema. Yeah, you know, so what uh was this process like for you?

SPEAKER_00 12:42

It was great. I mean, it was honestly, it was a great, it was like um I got to do everything I wanted to do. I had no one kind of like qualifying anything that I wanted to do. I had a very supportive team of producers, um, and with our distributor, yeah, people who just care about like the vision of the film and no one kind of no one ever being like, is this too much? Or is she want to do it? It was like, no, it was just purely like driven by I think creative impulse.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

So where did the um where did the storyline come from for you?

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Um there's this one filmmaker that I love. Her name is Catherine Briott, and she's like a fabulous uh French woman who made uh and still makes uh great films all.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

I don't know why that name sounds familiar to me.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

She's made a lot of she she's been working for a long time and she's made a lot of work over the years that have that are still important.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

Right, and impactful.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Yeah, and still impactful. And a lot of them are about adolescent sexuality. Like I'd say, probably almost all of her films are a variation on that theme. And so I was watching a lot of her films and I was journaling a lot at the time, thinking about like myself when I was 12 or 13, and um and I have these vivid memories of wanting my like middle school English teacher to have sex with me. Hello, and it's like and it's it's also when I was I was thinking about that time, and I was like, Yeah, when I was 12 or 13, like I wasn't qualifying that morally. Like, I I at least at the time I would have said I genuinely I I want it. I want and you know, regardless of you know how I would have felt if that had happened or not, like I can't say because it did, you know, I it didn't happen, but um it was thinking about that time in my life and thinking, I think, how we think about sex, especially adolescent sexuality. We're not talking. Yeah, yeah, anything.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Yeah, and and it is fantasy, and it is sort of um trying out your s your sea leg, so to speak, of what of what you're attracted to and what you what feeds you sexually.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

Yeah and before you and also listen, I obviously consent is yes tantamount. Absolutely. And you know, I I I I can concur on that, you know. I I I know that if there were situations, you know, when I was younger of things that it is that I wanted with somebody who may have been uh of a different age, I would have wanted that as well. And I wouldn't want that to feel like it was bad if we both wanted it. Yeah, there's definitely the age thing that makes people feel like, oh no, that can't be.

unknown 15:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 15:24

It's like such a fine line.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

But there there is the power dynamic.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

But it who but who's initiating it is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

But I know on my behalf, I was definitely the one initiating it. Why can't we have sex? What's wrong with you? Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

No, I think that I mean, I've I've had many people share like different experiences with me after screenings of this film, and I think the film started in that way, and it was me thinking about that time, but it it very kind of quickly became about thinking about like what the actual like extrapolation of that character I might have been fantasizing about, who would he actually have been. Um, and then I think that after you know, in rewrites it really became kind of a different film, like that's how it started, but it really did become a film, I think, about at least for me, like uh what it feels like to be a Gen Z gay guy in a world that is that you yeah, yeah, in a world that's I can't keep up with the new ones, honey.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

No, the the millennials have left the building already?

SPEAKER_00 16:29

I yes, okay, all right, and now it's the alpha's coming.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Who? Alpha.

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Uh Gen Alpha Gen Alpha. You're a who is is next. I'm I'm a Gen Z. I'm a Gen Z. Okay. Gen Alpha's up next. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

I don't know what I am. Planet for it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Um very quickly stop myself from asking a moment her age.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Um festivals and um um uh uh we played it that are afraid of your movie, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

Yeah, yeah. Um it yeah. I think it was a subject matter, I think. I mean, I can't like I you hear through the grapevine about why festivals might not want to take your movie. Let that be the buzz. Well, it did, yeah, it did, it did, didn't it did some nice leg work on the press for us?

SPEAKER_02 17:21

To be 100, it's beautiful cinema, honey.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

I loved it. I really did. I need more from you, honey.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

Yeah, no, I yeah, I hope I want to be on the set in the next like six months.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Creating more, yeah, absolutely and maybe expanding on on this topic. Yeah. And and like, you know, go going like maybe to some of the uh the directions that the detractors are saying, yeah. It can explore. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

I really want to feel completely uh like in anything I do next, I want to feel similarly kind of unbridled, I guess. Just because I had such an amazing time working on this film and making it how I wanted it, that I I really want to just be able to make whatever I want to make next. I also I also, yeah, I also I think feel like I think when queer filmmakers make a queer film and that's all anyone expects from them. Like, I want to be able to make whatever I want. I want to be able to make anything and have it not qualified by queerness, I guess. It can't like if that's the story I want to tell, then like I'll do it. But I want to just yeah, make sure that's the same.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Well, it shows that you're intellect, sweetheart. You're not a one-trick pony. I don't see that about you at all.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Thanks. And I'm very excited to see what you're gonna do. Yeah, me too. So did you go to school? I did. I did. I went to a film school um at Occidental College in LA. Accidental? Occidental. Oh, no, just accidental. Oh, Occidental. Yeah. Occidental. Occidental. Occidental? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

No, I'm trying to get it right.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Yes, it's occidental.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Where is Occidental? It's in LA.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

It's uh it's like a small liberal art school in LA. Liberal art, I like that. Yeah. It was it was funny. Honestly, no. Oh, honey. It was not a party school.

SPEAKER_02 19:09

You gotta come over when I have a keg party.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

I would love to. Fuck yeah. I would love to kegstands? Yeah, yeah. It's a whole high school reunion. It's oh my god. Yeah, I want to meet this teacher.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

Exactly. What? It's all about a keg party. Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

I don't think I've ever been to a keg party.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

I've never been to a keg party.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

I don't think I've ever been to one.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Well, when I listen, when I was in high school, I don't think I knew anybody that was drinking. And I don't think that people were drinking. Everyone smoked weed. Every single person smoked weed, but I no one seemed to care about drinking, honestly. Really? Yeah, where at least where I went to high school.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Do you like cocktails? Drinks?

SPEAKER_00 19:50

What do you mean to drink? Uh a cold glass of like Chardonnay or something.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

All right, Elliot. Do you like tequila? Tequila.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

Tequila's the one thing that I don't drink anymore because I threw it up in college one time and ever since then. It's never first time puking with a drink.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

That's that's me and Vita comfort.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

You'll be here, really?

SPEAKER_02 20:21

Oh, so you can't come to the cut party. No.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

It doesn't seem like she really wants to.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

I'm gonna be tossing my cookies like Ray. You can still do that on it.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

Remember, this is my party. I'm just saying. Oh, cookies will be tossed.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Yeah, what is a party? What is a what is a party that you would throw? What is like a you party?

SPEAKER_02 20:43

I do two tons of parties.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

On my off time. Sure. So sometimes once a month, I do a party called Cocktails and Vinyl here at the house. People get to pick out a piece of vinyl, put it on, and everybody tells a story and dance around. Like 27 people. We just hang around and we drink and we dance and we have a good time. Yeah. The other one's a little different. Let's hold hands. What's the other one? The one that you'll be invited to. You can go to the other one too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello. So you went to film school.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

I want to go to both. I want to see which one I like better.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

I like you. See, we're gonna get you, we're gonna find you a good cocktail other than a Chardonnay. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

No, I can, yeah, I can whatever you whatever you want to make me.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

A long island ice team. Thank you, y'all. We had a wonderful time. How'd you interview him in the other room later? Elliot, you are just you give good energy, honey. Good energy.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Yeah, this is like definitely like another podcast if they've met me on.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

You know, you I like it. I wish they were all like this. You can come back anytime, sweetheart. On or off the podcast, honey. Okay. You're welcome, sweetheart. Corey, did you hear that? Corey can come back and get it too, honey. I love a two for one special, trust me. So wait, when did you finish this film, sweetheart? Um I finished it. See, we go all over the place. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

No, I appreciate it. Yeah. I finished. See, I okay, so we I wrote it like three years ago. Oh, really? Yeah, we filmed it two years ago. We had a festival premiere a year ago, and now we're in theaters. So it's been like a while. Amazing. Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

And uh please remind me of the the the older gentleman in the movie. I love him. Reed Bernie. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

He's been fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Um he was in House of Cards. He was. Yes, yeah, yes, yes, yes. He was and the the the the the other lead.

SPEAKER_02 22:29

What was it? Kieran.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Kieran Moore. Kieran? Kieran. Kieran, Kieran. Kieran Moore's fantastic. I know. I got really loved.

SPEAKER_02 22:36

You know what it kind of gave me little um tones and resonations of every seen Looking for Mr. Goodbar? Uh yes. With uh uh uh our beautiful goddess who passed on. I'm trying to remember Diane Keegan. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Ooh, yeah, like re-watch that people.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Yeah, no one's actually mentioned that. That and China Blue reference to the China Blue.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

Baby, that's up your wheelhouse.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Oh, bitch, she I'm not gonna give it away, but watch it and then holler to me after you watch it.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Okay. It will inspire you.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Remember looking at it because it it has that darkness around the edges. Yeah. But with the story vignette, not just to give you a shot. You're pulled in. Yes. Because um, because it's a vignette, there's darkness, and you're pulled in, and the action is coming at you like like in a funnel. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So you you can't sort of turn away. It gave me some. And it's really intense.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Okay, remind me of love.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Remind me of the number and I'll text it to you.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Because I'm adding it to my looking for Mr. Goodball. This is a film that I love. Yes, yes, yes. And and and the second one after Mr. Looking for Mr. Goodball. Oh, China Blue. China Blue. Yeah. Adding it to my watch list. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

And also, too, that one scene in um with Raquel Welch and um uh uh with uh oh come up and see me sometime. Um May West. Myra Brackenge love that movie. The one that theme where she's fucking the cop, honey, with the dildo. Okay. Everything.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Uh have you ever read the Myra Breckinridge book? Right? The Gor Vidal book? I haven't. I haven't read it. Oh, it's so cool. Oh, it's everything. It could get it. It's really, really good.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

It's supposed to be better than the film.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

I I mean I love the film, but it's the book is like textbook. It's like it's so amazing. Yeah, it's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Yeah, it is. I excuse me, agree though. Satan's trying to come out. Uh yes, it was uh uh I'd like to talk about the extended theatrical run.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

I would like to talk about that too. Yeah, no, I'm thrilled. We're playing in IFC Center. I think it's our seventh week. Yeah, it's awesome. I know. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

For the people who won't see it, look at it now. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm at the critics. Yeah, no, I'm I'm uh the critics have actually been lovely, thank God. But it's the festival programmers. That's what I meant to say. Sorry. No, but who's fresh.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Yeah, it's uh it's it's it's fresh and it's you're waking them up, and it's something that that needs to be spoken about.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Thank you. No, I'm thrilled. I'm like so excited that audiences are going to see it enough that it's like been held over enough times.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

I would want to actually go and see it in a theater.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

I so I moved here recently. You didn't wear from LA. Oh wow. Yeah, I moved here a couple months ago.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

Welcome.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Thank you. Um, and it's been every day. I think about like maybe I should just go to the IFC center and just like sit in a crowd and we'll go together. Like, yeah, I just want to like hear people's reactions. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

I'll get you popcorn.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

And a little tequila for the thigh. That's amazing. And baby, welcome. How do you feel the city's treating you, Safari?

SPEAKER_00 25:35

I love it. It's amazing. What part of the city are you in? I'm in bedside. Have you been?

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Bedside do or die. Yeah, well, it's great. Well, not so much.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

I mean, it's it's like I love it there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

It's it's very yeah, it's very it's a it's a real New York neighborhood.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

I'm in like a brownstone, like my landlord is my landlord is is very sweet, and she lives in the building and she's lived there forever. She gets like she's very, yeah, New York, and it's just fun just walking around my block. Being here for when the next one was personally none of my business, but happy for everybody, and it was a fun vibe in the city. So it's just yeah, it's been a great have you found your people yet? Yeah, I it was nice. I feel bad for anyone who kind of moves here without friends already.

SPEAKER_02 26:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Um, I feel lucky enough that I had a good amount of friends already. So I've been able.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

But also, that depends on who you are as a person. Are you a people person? You're gonna meet and uh us New Yorkers, we gravitate toward good energy.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

But if you're you know, maybe an introvert, that might then be a little harder. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Or or it takes you a little bit longer to find your footing, sort of. If you're if you're sort of introverted. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

Are you both are you both like lifelong New Yorkers? Yeah, yeah. Manhattan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Brooklyn. Cool. Where in Brooklyn?

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Uh Flatbush.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Um, Little Caribbean.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

Yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

Little Caribbean. Dragley across the street from Carnegie Hall.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Oh, whoa. Yeah, Francis of Central Park. Yeah. Where were you doing kickstands?

SPEAKER_02 27:04

Oh, honey, in the house.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

Yeah, hello. We had a big house.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Okay, cool. I was imagining a backyard or something.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

Well, we had Central Park.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

But that was for different things. We used to play this game late night called Hide and Go Get It, and then late night it became Stankfanger. Stankfanger. That was after Stankfanger. Stankfanger.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Oh!

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

I need you, yeah. I need like the rundown of how all the New York.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

You're finding your people. I'm glad that you're having a good New York experience.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

I'm having a great time.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

What what are your fun parts of the city? Or no, this is favorite. Favorite, exactly. What are your favorite parts of the city?

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Um, I was actually talking with my roommate about this the other day, and I was like, I don't think I could live anywhere where um like every film that's out needs to be showing where I live. Like, I can't live anywhere that doesn't have like the most robust film. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And so one of my favorite things to do is I I've been seeing a ton of movies by myself.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

I just like go buy a ticket and go see a movie by myself. I'm doing it all the time. But it's amazing. I like I love movie theaters too, and so I'm just like going to a new one each year.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

It's a different experience. I gotta tell you, being an only child, I always felt like I needed to be doing things with people. Yeah, and I'll never forget this. And it was very cathartic. The first time and I had moved, and I was in um uh what was it called? Uh Gramma City. Chelsea? It's grammar. Grammacy Park. It was Grammacy Park. Yeah. And there was a theater that was across the street. It was in 34th or like 34th. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 32nd on um and uh 2nd Avenue with 32nd or something like that. Yeah. That one that was across the street, that big one. I lived across the street from there. And it was a pro KRO. Uh-huh. Yeah. That was it. I think that was it. And it was the first time I there was a movie that came out, and I was like, you know what? I live right across the street from a fucking big cinema. Yeah. Let me go and do this. I went in and I was like, I was scared at first. And when I sat down, I was like, wait, I fucking like this.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

No, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

And then I would go over every other day when like, you know, something would good would come out, and I would go and see a movie by myself.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

I know it sounds very whatever, but it was very special.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

No, it's I think it's really special. Yeah. And I also think when you give yourself permission.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Um, I've gone I've gone to the to the movies a couple of times by myself, and it's like it's like taking yourself out on a date. Yeah, that's a good way to look at it too.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

And and treating it, and maybe meeting someone there too.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

Oh Christ. That happened. I think I like this movie experience, honey. Yeah. Yeah, that's very cool.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Yeah. Um, so it's been fun. All right. So that and what else? Um, just like going to places with my friends. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Were you involved with somebody in the city?

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Um uh TBD. I like that. I like that. TBD.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

So open for interpretation.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Yeah, yeah. No, I don't know. Yeah. And having fun. Yes, as you should. Yes, yeah, yeah. Meeting new people. Being whole. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Being new in the city. It's been fun. The LA dating scene, I feel like, was very no, yeah. Yeah. It's time to give you an a role, as you said, a robust experience.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

I think I think when people I don't think people realize that New York has like five million more people in it than LA does. In a much smaller amount of time. Yeah, everybody's up with everybody. Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Well, because everybody's on top of everybody. Right. Oh, what? Girl, you wrote it. I it it kind of wrote itself. Yeah. It did. It really did. It did. And you walk us both into it.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

Yes. Well, darling, you are welcome to come out anytime, sweetheart. We'll show you a good time.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Yeah, please do.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

In and out of the house. Palm Olive. Thank you, darling. Alright, so we're gonna give you a little fish bowl. Okay. You're gonna tell us what you got, and then you're gonna read it, and we're gonna go around the soul train line.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

I love this. This is fun. Shake.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Very charming, honey.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Thank you. You guys are too.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Very charming. Um, okay. I mean, in that nose. He's so cute.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

I've been eating all day. Um, do you have a talisman or a lucky charm?

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Sorry. Go ahead, Khan. I mean, no, you you go first since you read it. Okay. Wait, no, what did you get? Sorry, was that a crab? Oh, yeah. Ah, not a crab. We had talked about a story about beforehand. I didn't even know we had crabs. What's the story? You got a crab, which is hilarious. What's uh a couple of episodes ago, whatever, we just we were the doctor on the show and we're talking or whatever. And I don't know how crabs came up. Oh no, we're talking about seafood, right? Yeah, yeah. And I said, Oh my god, I remember in the 80s, I got crabs. He's like, so did I. He's like, I don't think it's really a thing now. I was like, no, it's not a thing now, but back in the day, I got it out the Roxy. I was like, what the fuck is this? Fred's like, you got fucking crabs. It's like, what the fuck? So then after that, you know, shaved them and been bald ever since. So I didn't even know we had a crab inside the crab store.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Crabs are still around. Are they?

SPEAKER_02 32:05

See, and I like my men hairy too, so that's like, don't be able to do it. But I don't have anybody here, so I'm fine. But there has to be a little manscaping.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 32:13

Don't shave your asshole, don't shave your pits, don't shave your crotch area. No, I want it all natural.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

I I'm I'm with you.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Are you natural?

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Oh, uh a little manscaping.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

I think it should be, I think it's a launch. Something should be tasteful a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

No, no. If you're gonna play on the grass at least.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Maybe no, just make sure it's fresh. But oh shit. Uh oh, uh.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Oh, oh, okay. Did we get to the question? Talisman. Oh, talisman. Oh, that's right. Oh, it's crabs that got us away. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Okay. Do I have a lucky charm or a talisman?

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Um You asked about crabs just to be 100. Yeah, I did. I was that was my fault. It wasn't like I just started talking about crabs.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

That was my fault.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Thank you. No, it's not your fault, Elliot.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Oh, okay. Um blushing this whole interview. Um, yeah, let me think. I want someone else to go first. I know I do.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Come on, come on.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Um, uh you want to know what the question is?

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Um, I remember. I remember. Um Talisman or Charm. Say it four times. That's good. Talisman or Charm. Book of Shadows. Show me my talismant or charm. Um, this bracelet given to me by a friend. Yes, that's beautiful. Um, I I I love her. And another bracelet that was also given to me as a friend, which has a crystal. And I will uh I've been moon uh that that's the crystal that I've moon-based. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. So um those are my charms. That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Yeah. I have an yeah. I I used to have a like heart pendant necklace. It was like I think it was a Tiffany little heart necklace that I wore all the time. And I gave it to Kieran for filming. Like he's wearing it during Yes, yes, yes. And so I let him, I let it be a part of his costume. Then at the end I gave it to. And now I think it's a good luck charm because I transferred it to him as a few.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

Absolutely, that energy. That's beautiful. Yeah, that's my answer.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

So right now I don't have one, but I used to have one and it still exists in the movie.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Well, it it transferred into the film. Yes, it did. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

I think it's a yeah. I think it's gonna be, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

And the film now will be your talisman. That's right. Hey, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

Yeah, now my new one is the New York Times uh critics pick.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

Oh, yay! Framing, framing that.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

That's my new good luck charm. Elliot. Thank you, guys. Thought I was slipping it in there, but you really celebrated it.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Oh, wait, I haven't answered. Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

And the question, what? What was the question again? Elliot.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

Do you have a lucky charm or a talisman?

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Well, yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

So I would say that the first Am I the Blanche? Am I the Blanche? Um I think we should have one of my lucky. There's two lucky um charms.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

One is this crystal that I got from my grandmother that I always take upstate to. Sorry. That I take upstate. I should know better. Um that I take upstate to Woodstock, and uh there's a um like a little kind of little stream. Yeah, thank you, thank you, stream that I um I I I uh purify my my crystals and cleanse. Yeah. Um so that one and then this one cochereen that I've had since probably the 80s. And it's always brought me good luck.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Yeah. And then the third one would be, what was it?

SPEAKER_00 35:50

No, that's just that, yeah. Oh, is that it? Yeah, what's a lucky charm or something that you can do? Or talent.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Me.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Duh.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

Those are my three.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

Okay. Yeah. I'm so I won't ask, but I'm so eager to know why the cocking has brought good luck.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

But I love it. Everyone is asking. Elliot, listen, you gave your art to the movie. I give my art to life. So of course, I love the fact that you ask questions. This is why I can fuck with you. Like your energy and everything. Kankan, yes, you're still here, but he is just he's so delicious. And I love somebody who comes back and forth with me. You know what I mean? Like the ones that always just lay down and do it. It's like, yeah, sometimes they could be a pillow friend, but I like somebody to like to come at me and like maybe chase my meal. And you're that person, honey. And I appreciate that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Thank you. Yeah, so what was the question? I think maybe if if the question pops up on the fishbowl, maybe then we'll maybe then I'll ask it again.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

No, you can ask it now.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

No, I was saying, why did the why did it what about the cochrane brought a good thing?

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Or yeah, what it's funny because I remember the one one of the first times I remember having it on. I was at this club called KOX when I was living in Montreal. And I was dancing or whatever, and all of a sudden I'm like, what is this going down my ankle? The cock ring had come off.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

And I didn't even know it.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

And you bent down to pick it up. No, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

I didn't know that it was. I I felt something, but I didn't know what it was. And then all of a sudden, I'm making out with this guy or whatever, and all of a sudden he's like, he's like, he was like this. I was like, oh, what was that move? And he's like this, and he's like, Who's this? Oh, this is mine. And then another time I was at Asana and I lost it. But it was this time wasn't on me, like it was off to the side or whatever. But it always comes back to me. And then when it's on, honey, it's on.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

So that's why it's always brought me good luck. And it's gorgeous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

Cool.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Yeah. It wasn't so painful. No. That was like oh, Elliot. Oh, I needed this.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Your juices are flowing.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

Yes. I needed to be awoken from this weekend.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

Who's sticking it in?

SPEAKER_02 37:57

You or me?

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Um, you. Okay. Oh, Christ.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

Okay, what's this? Who's she? A seal. A seal. Well, I'm never gonna survive all Wales. You gotta have seen that one coming, honey. Why's it gotta be white? Um, all right. Do you have a friend who takes you on an adventure? You will soon. Uh, or that you are that friend.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

I'm not that friend.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

You're not the friend that takes the people on an adventure?

SPEAKER_00 38:35

No, I don't think so, but I have many friends that do.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

That like to take you on an adventure. Yeah. I could say that.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Um, my friend. My friend Bichon, who produced the film. He's one of my best friends, and I feel like he's always. Shout out to Bijan! Shout out to Bijan. He is always somebody who will be like, I'm at this thing right now. Will you come meet me? Or he'll like it'll always be like a spontaneous thing, and it's always I'm always happy I went.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

I love that name. Yeah, my god, that's so fun. It reminded me there was a um a sex club down in the East Village called the Bijou.

SPEAKER_00 39:05

I think Bijou is also a beautiful name.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

That's a beautiful name. Yeah. Yeah, that was cute. That actually had a um a theater inside too, and like little side rooms and situations.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

His full name is Bijan Casaruni.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Oh fuck, he did it.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

Yeah. I you would eat him up if he was here. He would be nothing but a pile of bones by the time he was leaving.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

Is he a polypocket? I love a short king, honey.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Yeah. He is, yeah, he's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

What was the question? Oh, yeah, you want me to read it to you again? Because I know you forgot, right? Do you have a friend who takes you on an adventure? You! Thank you. I wasn't fishing for that.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Ah thank you. You guys are so well done. Do you guys like hang out all the time?

SPEAKER_02 39:51

Believe it or not. Usually we're if we're working, then we do. Otherwise, but we've known each other for 30 years. Yeah. So this was like, but everybody's like, now, like, do you guys hang out? Oh no, we don't.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Yeah. What's the best adventure that you've taken her on? This show. For me, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Absolutely. This show has been everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

And and and you do Paris. And when you are on a dance floor that Lena is DJing, you are taken on uh on an adventure. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

I'm about that journey. Yeah. Thank you, sister. I love you for that.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

I have uh check coming your way, honey. Did you take Diners Club? No. Okay, good. American Express? Yes. Massacre? No. Okay, good. Um, I do have a friend um that takes me on a journey. Uh it was a sister. I'm gonna not say that because she's next to me, but the show, if I can be cheesy for a second, and I tell my producers this all the time, has been everything. We started this last September, and just it it it was for us and just to see the way the community and everyone that it is that we touch on and off the show, uh physically, figuratively, has been beautiful. It really has. The conversations, the journeys, it's everything. And I get to do this with my sisters and I love that. Umside from her, um someone else in my you know day-to-day life, it's kind of like there's like a few different vessels in me that live within me, and they all have their own name. So I think myself one of myself.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

I challenge myself quite a bit. Yeah, like my sisters. There's Susie, sometimes all the time, surprise. There's Cherokee, there's Melestra, and then there's Lanish, and then there's Lanka. Melestra. Oh, you'll love Melestra. Well, listen, Susie sometimes sometimes all the time is a surprise. She comes out first, she's the one that wrangles the children up, and then Melestra's the one that seals the deal. Sure. And then Cherokee's the rock and roll chick.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

Okay, cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

Okay. Where can we do blue film?

unknown 41:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:59

Um, we're still playing in theaters right now, but we're also uh uh available to rent or buy wherever you digitally rent or buy movies. So Amazon, Apple. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

You are welcome. And it's at the IFC? It's at the IFC here in New York. You are welcome anytime. I don't even care if it's about a fucking film. If you just want to sit here and talk the shit, I mean it. I mean it. You're just no, I love that. You bring great conversations. Absolutely. You are a joy, not only to listen to, but to look at. You're just delicious.

SPEAKER_00 42:29

Thank you guys for having me. Haven't had you yet.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

And it will be your pleasure. You guys, we're here every Thursday. Like, subscribe. H and R. Yeah. I'm trying. You're never trying hard enough with me, honey. Sending you blessings, love, and light, and always some brown sugar kisses. What you got, girl?

SPEAKER_01 42:49

I got some chocolate kisses for my sugar dumplings. And some deuces. Deuces.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

You know what, Elliot? Just because you're so yummy, why don't you give us a send out?

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Please.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

Um please. Oh, um. It was very school teacher, please.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

For well, I guess in keeping with blue film, I would say what's up, faggots, but I'll say goodbye, faggots.

SPEAKER_02 43:11

What? I like that, baby. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

Later faggots. See y'all. Have a good one. Like and subscribe. You know. Comment. Elliot!

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Our show is produced by Josh Rosenspag and Matthew Green. Our gorgeous graphics are by Daryl Raymond. Our theme music is You Need It. Produced and written and performed by 808 Beach, John J.C. Carr, and Bill Coleman. Courtesy of Peace Biscuit. Our perfect production designer is Daryl Dickens. This season's hair has been done by the heavenly hair goddess herself, Mariah. Our very special thanks to Jason Kanner for all your wonderful support. The Cutting Up is a Pride House Media production.