Modern Life Is Messing With Us: Phones, Anxiety & Burnout Explained

Something feels off right now.

Everyone’s tired, distracted, anxious… but no one really talks about why.

In this Quick Pumps episode, we run through some of the biggest truths about modern life — using an Agree or Disagreeformat with no overthinking, no filters.

We react to statements like:

• Everyone is addicted to their phone
• No one actually relaxes anymore
• People are more anxious than ever
• Being “busy” is a personality now
• Most people don’t know how to be alone

Short, punchy, and built for real conversation — this one hits on attention, stress, distraction, and what modern life is doing to us mentally.

We’re doing more than ever… but feeling worse.

Maybe the answer isn’t more.

Maybe it’s less.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

All right. Alright. We're doing the studio. The F405 studio. It's at 45 for those that don't speak Latin American. It's a very quiet thing here. We can talk. We can yell. We can dance. We can dance. We can dance. It's so nice. It's the day. It's the bay. What is this episode even about, bro? We're doing a quick pump. It's gonna be shoulders, abs, and arms. Nice. We're gonna do a circuit just rolling through. Probably non-stop. We're not even gonna switch it up. Camera stay right there. Works for me. As many sets as possible. We got barbell set up. We got the hanging bar there. And we can even rip some triceps on the box down. Bicep curls over here. So kind of just what shoulders, arms, and then abs. As I kind of repeat. Well, I don't know. In what order, you know? Um it's like a sandwich. What order do you make it in? Do you start with absurd? We'll do arms, abs, shoulders. Finishing with the shoulders. All right. So today we're gonna talk about again, it's just a very quick one. Super rapid fire, agree or disagree kind of situation. Um, we've kind of touched on this over a couple episodes, uh, how modern life is messing with us a little bit. Um, and yeah, it's gonna be an agree or disagree. We're gonna be nice and quick here. Um, you know, kind of just talking about how everyone's feeling a little off right now. Things are weird. The vibes, the vibes are off. You're what? You're reading too much news, Matt. Yeah. Mercury's in retrograde. You shouldn't join the no news readers. Do you feel better? Yeah, you probably do. I feel great. Is that why I feel an impending despair every time I open my phone?

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Well, yes, you know, the news is made for views and clicks.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Yes. So what you see segment number one, as I just said this. Everyone is addicted to their phone. Bro, honestly. Let's go, let's talk about it. This one, this one hits, you know what I'm saying? But tell me, tell me how you really feel. Tell me how you really feel. Why don't you start and I'll follow you? You know what I mean? Like you do the first round, and during then I can talk and then during rest. Okay, we'll do upright row. Sounds good. I think he said shoulders were at the end. Yeah, I don't I'm starting with it. Okay. So we're gonna talk about the phones. This is uh, you know, something that's been on my mind quite a bit too. Sometimes I find like I'll just get home and I'll pull up in my car, and then before I even get into the house, I'll just like open my phone, look at some stuff. No, I've done it before. I did it today, dude. What you park your car and look at your phone, bro? It's the only moment of peace, Victor. I have it back in the liar. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. That's fucking hilarious, bro. That's okay. Tia doesn't matter. I parked my car. All right, call the elevator ASAP. And you're like already there. Yeah. I'm trying to get it. No, I this this literally happened today, dude. I I pulled up to the house and I just took on my phone. I think they checked my calendar and I opened Instagram and then scrolled, scrolled, scrolled. And then I got in the house and I'm like, dude, that was like 13 minutes. Oh man. That went by without me even like registering it. And then you get, I was mad at myself. I'm like, why did I just waste like literally time I could be playing Crimson Desert or something like that? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Why did I waste perfectly good video games?

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Gaming time, yeah. If I'm gonna look at a screen, I might as well be engaged. Um, so anyway, everyone's into their phones. Uh, we're gonna do a nice little back and forth here. So, you know, one thing I just said, people always check their phones without thinking. I think that's like a big thing. Well, it's kind of like just second nature, it's first nature, actually. We talked about it in a lengthy episode. We're gonna link it right here. Editor, editor, put that in. That's me, bro. That's me. Um yeah. Like you have that just weird, it's almost like a twitch or an it. It's what's in it like an you like want to grab it from your pocket, or in this case, if you wake up first thing, you're trying to grab it from your crazy nightstand or bedside table or whatever you have there. Do you ever find too like if there's like moments of silence, like I might use a video game example when there's like a loading screen, or like we're playing a game together and we're like waiting for it to load, instead of just sitting there patiently, I'll just be like, all right, well, see what's on the phone. Just quickly like check the time. Why? See, did anyone message me? And then you grab it and you scroll. For what? You can't have like 30 seconds of silence. You need to like look at something. Yeah, it's pretty bad, dude. Yeah, it's nuts. It's also like kind of similar to that. Uh I'm sure you've heard the term like the phantom pain or like the phantom limb, where it's like the phantom ring or yeah, where it's like the pot the phone's not on you, but you reach for your it's like in your room, but it feels like your leg vibrated. Oh, I felt that before. That's such a weird feeling, dude. And then you reach in your your pocket, you're like, oh shit. I don't even have my I don't have my phone on me. There's like nothing there.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

That's happened to me with my Apple Watch. Kind of why I got rid of the Apple Watch. I really liked it.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

The fitness Apple, if you're listening, I have a lot of things to say too. I got a lot of stuff to say to make your products better, specifically the Apple Watch and its fitness tracking. Why don't you just make it better than the Whoop? You know? Like Whoop is fantastic. It is. Why isn't the Apple fitness tracker as good, if not better, than the Whoop Sint technology? I don't understand. It's like they purposely make it worse. Yeah. Anyways, so back to the notifications on my on my wrist.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Dude, that thing would buzz constantly. Like I was getting notifications.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

I figured out how to turn off my notifications like early on, but still, texts. We text a lot. Yeah. Like we hear from each other, family, friends so often. It's like nonstop that my wrist was like non-stop buzzing all the time. And I would find you like looking at my watch all the time to read the notifications. Yeah. I'm like, screw this. I'm gonna get a no-screen device and like the whoop. Yeah, just use it for fitness tracking. Only vibrates in the mornings.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

So it took me a few weeks to stop the checking motion and like also feeling those phantom buzzes. See, we got back. We made it back.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

I feel like it like we made a full circle. Our our addiction to our phones just like completely rewires your brain. It's just like a constant state of distraction. Yeah. And you're kind of craving that distraction, which is crazy. Um, and this is a good segue into we kind of touched on it already, the fact that no one knows how to relax anymore. Like you just said, when you're playing a video game, in some cases, a video game is relaxing for us males. Yeah, for females, the video game equivalent is online shopping. I like how we both wonder 100%. Fucking don't even add us right in the comments. We're gonna clip that shit. It's gonna be the first thing we post on our page. Yeah, yeah. Women love shopping. Men like video games to shut their brain off. Women sit on the couch and they scroll it. It's kind of the same, like it's like the reward system. Like we get dopamine and relax from that, they get dopamine from hitting add to cart. Not even, bro. You know, like when you level up, let's say in your new game Crimson Desert, you level up, you get a new skill point on your skill tree.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Yeah, you're like, oh shit, what should I do? Health, strength, yeah, stealth, whatever. And then you click and you have a new ability. For women, when they fucking hit by, that's the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, oh my god, new skill unlocked. Those bastards. I don't know. But yeah, it plays into like the relaxing aspect of just being able to sit there and like not stare at the wall, but like literally shut off, let your body chill. And then we've like lost the ability to it's not possible to decompress. Yeah. Like even when you're relaxing, you're not relaxing. You know what I mean? Like most people nowadays, relaxing is laying on the couch and doom scrolling. Or going on one of your tens or 50 different apps that you have on your TV or Apple TV or whatever, Prime Fire Stick or whatever. And just watching a show. People don't watch movies anymore. No, just show too long. Yeah, that doesn't grab your attention span, right? It's like I saw a an ex post where it was like uh, you know, working in working in corporate is like, let me go from my medium screen to my small screen on my break to go back home to my big screen and then go to bed to my small screen. It's like, bro, it's so true. It's like when you really sit down, like we're lucky that with our work, we we yeah, sure we're on our phones looking at programs and stuff, but it's like we're not looking at a computer for night. We detach a lot, right? So we do have and we have a lot of social interaction, like so much. But you're like, oh my god, I want to look at my phone. Yeah, just like yeah, even sometimes like between you know, you're you want to check a program and then you check the program or you're just instinctively your phone, your fingers already clicked Instagram, and you're like looking at it. It's crazy. It's it's like a it's a sickness, dude. But yeah, relaxing is yeah, it's people just scroll, it's not really resting. Um, I think a good way to try to mitigate that is maybe doing meditation, but I used to do you still meditate? I just got back on the train. Bro, I used to be you used to be like the Zen master.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Yeah, and honest area.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

There's a difference ever since I stopped. But there's always been some form of a I guess meditative practice. I think at the abroad in my ooh, ab roll would be nice. Yeah, I think I saw it somewhere in my daily routines. Yeah, currently, you're gonna laugh, but it's currently cooking.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Cooking is a bro, I put the 110 hertz frequency on in my ears, dude.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

No way, and I'm just in the zone, don't say anything, don't look at my phone. My phone is just used as a timer. Yeah, obviously, if there's like an emergency, I'll answer it or whatever. Yeah, but yeah, cooking lasts anywhere from half an hour to an hour, sometimes an hour and a half if I like batch cook. Before that, it used to be cold plunges and a bit more meditation. Yeah. And before the cold plunges, it was just straight up 15 minutes to 30 minutes of just meditating in the seated position. Like I used to have a meditation cushion. That's sick. And uh let me tell you, very helpful for the mental clutter. Um I think a lot more people need to either do some form of like focused breath work or focused meditative practice that they just kind of listen to the noise in their brain. It's not to shut off your brain, it's to like be aware of it. Yeah, yeah. That's how they I remember when I when you got me into one of those couple, you showed me a few good meditation apps. But that's one of the things they said. It's like not to shut out the noise, it's just like observe the thoughts and like you know, be like present with them. Kind of like absorb the noise. Exactly, yeah. Be one with the noise. You are the noise. Yeah, the noise ain't there. But you're there. I know when when I was doing it pretty regularly, I did notice quite a big difference in like my just like disposition. Like I was definitely more a little bit more stable. Like, do don't you feel now like you were winning a lot more magic games? That's I was, yeah. But you feel now though everything's like so erratic, like it's like you're just constantly like running around, and then even time itself feels like it's distorted. Like you look at the clock, it's like one o'clock, you're like, okay, sick, it's one o'clock, I gotta do some stuff. You run around, do a bunch of shit, it's like 473, and then you're like, what the hell? How do four hours pass by? It's felt like two minutes. Yeah, and I think it's because 473. I did. I think it's uh yeah, it's we have the time. I think it's because we're just unable to be present at all. Like it's constantly like one objective or whatever, one thing to another, like constantly looking for it's like a magnetic pull. Yeah, it's like a constant need for stimulation. It's really annoying. So you're so stimulated that the time, your perception of time is passes a lot faster. But let's say you're all of that is forcefully taken from you, and you're just in a room, you don't have anything, time's gonna pass so slow. It's crazy because you have to be with your mind. Well, it's like that joke people make with like being in a plank. You know, you can spend a minute on Instagram feels like a second, but a minute in a plank feels like an eternity. Because there's nothing there, there's no distractions, you're just sitting there with the weight or with your body in this condition.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Now, think of those people that have done like a the world record plank for eight hours or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

How are you what muscles are you like like constantly switching through to be able to do that? That takes incredible like you're using your shoulders and then you're switching to your back, and then you must be using your quads, and then you're using your abs. Like, I don't know, it's crazy. I think that also kind of moving into the next point, but um I think it's like everyone's so anxious because of this. Yeah, that's the next topic, right? It's just yeah, it's anxious like we're everything's so anxiety inducing. I think it kind of all everything always kind of circles back to this like social media and the fact that we're all connected and the everyone has opinions, and in reality, like these companies have designed these algorithms to be what's the word, an echo chamber for your own. I know. I've also I learned this on social media, but you you know what I mean? It's like you like certain things, and you know, you look then you open your Instagram, and it's stuff that's reaffirming your beliefs, your political stances, your religious stances, whatever it may be, and it just kind of amplifies that tenfold, and it's kind of like it's very predatory, but it's designed to be that way, right? In terms of the anxiety, going back to how your brain's never really off, yeah, and it's always kind of oscillating on ruminating on certain ideas and whatnot, like what to do, what to do. And it's never resting. I think that that's a big like addition to why people are so anxious, because they're their brain is just constantly firing at like let's say 80%, 90%, and there's all these ideas happening that it causes that kind of excited, nervous feeling. It's like a feedback, it's almost like your brain is a computer and it's overheating. Yeah, but then on the flip side, I think there's so many people that are anxious these days because anxiety is really like just you thinking about the future. And then if you mix it with all of the constant thoughts in your head, like the computer working super duper hard, plus the the fear of the future, it's gonna cause like extreme anxiety and like sadness and scared fear, yeah, fear, and then and then to feel better and relax, you go on social media, and all the thoughts that you were just thinking are just amplified tenfold. Yeah. Because you're like, oh yeah, the world is ending, economy is horrible, I can't afford a house. We're on the brink of war. This is happening, this is happening, this is happening. It's like, okay, so I was anxious before, so I wanted to sit down on the couch and relax. Now I'm anxious sitting on the couch. It's like, bro, your body's in like fight or flight 24-7. And then that goes into people can't get enough sleep because their brain doesn't sleep off. We're in a like really weird place right now. Meanwhile, the people in World War II are just like probably the most fucked ever. Yeah, yeah. And they're just like, well, back out I'm gonna have a cigarette. Exactly. Crazy. And it's like, yeah, just reading some of our notes here, but like your brain isn't supposed to process this much information daily. Like our brains have evolved, obviously, but it's kind of the same. We're wired the same way we were 10,000, 20,000 years ago. And it's like, you know, can you imagine going back in time and dropping a cell phone and like, you know, the early civilizations?

SPEAKER_02 15:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Um, I think another big thing, it's kind of one of the other topics we were looking at, but um come back again to social media, but it's also just like that constant comparison. I think that drives people up in anxiety. Yeah, it's like almost like you know, that in high school that's very important, but before social media, it's like high school, you're done, you're out. Now it's like high school indefinitely forever, for all eternity. The cliques, the online cliques that are there. Yeah, there's all these communities, yeah. You feel forced to be a part of it. Um it shouldn't be like that, but honestly, bro, we just gotta get some land out in a ranch somewhere. It's funny that you mentioned that because I was gonna mention that there's these like I follow a couple channels on YouTube where like one of them's yes theory, where there's a good one, is like to seek, actively seek the fear or seek your discomfort and go for it. And ever all good things are on the other side of it, yeah, which I really resonate with and stand by. But there was this episode that they put out where they went to like the most remote island on planet Earth. Crazy, careful hitting the fucking mic with that bar, by the way. Oh, I thought you meant the roof on my mic. Um, I like how you stepped forward. And anyways, there was a single person living on the island. One dude. That's crazy, and they're like happiest man on the planet. Yeah, he's like, I'm so happy. He doesn't earn an income, has the whole island to himself, and it's a large island. Dude's walking around barefoot, doesn't have doesn't wear shoes. He's he climbs up trees like a monkey.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

One week later.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

So uh funny thing happened with the the mics are connected now. Yes, they are. Uh quick change of scenery. We were in the studio, and now we are not, uh, because the mics just like they cut out, they cut out, they couldn't reconnect to the receiver, anyways. So we're finishing this. We're just gonna finish off this episode now, yeah. Yeah, so I was talking about the monkey man. Yeah, he was like climbing up trees like a monkey. Uh, and I think what it had to do was with the whole anxiety aspect of it. Yeah, yeah. And my finishing statement with that whole thing is a video from Yes Siri. Um, he was just like way happier over there because he didn't have to deal with um mainstream, like not mainstream, just like regular life, um, all the fast-paced lifestyle, hustle and bustle, everyone just working all the time, not really making time for actually living. Meanwhile, this guy is on the island and he's just that's all he's doing. He's just catering to plants, growing whatever crops he's growing, and tending to his animals and pets. And I think he was also high on marijuana the entire day. So time is passing even slower. But I'd feel pretty good if I was on like a beautiful island, right? Stoned out of my mind. It's like in the Pacific, very remote, so hard to get there. Like these guys struggle to get there, they almost ran out of gas to like park up on a close, close by island because they're if they kept going, they would have ran out of gas and they would have been stranded in the ocean. So they're like, no, we need to park here, we need to send a radio to the island we came from so they could bring more gas so that we could finish the trip. I just slept on like rocks. That's crazy, anyways. That's very good. Neither here nor there. That reminds me of uh, just to add to that, um, how being like remote like that changes kind of like how you perceive everything, including like time. There was a guy, I think it was on the Jar Rogan podcast, I remember listening to, I can't remember who it was. And he went, he went out to live with this tribe in Africa for like a week or two. And it's like as soon as he got there, the first thing that they made him do is like put all his phone, his electronics, everything away. And he's like, for the first like two days, he's like, Yeah, he was like, it was like going through like a drug withdrawal, like the jitters, anxieties, cold sweats, couldn't sleep, which is actually kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Um phantom. We mentioned, I don't know if it if we mentioned that. We mentioned it earlier, the phantom scenario. But then he's like, but then like within a day, when he started getting involved in the community at the village, like helping them, everyone's got a role, everyone's like doing something, everyone's like contributing to the village. He's like, it was a week, but he's like, it felt like I was there for like a month. Like he's like, if we cooked our own food, we had like you know, you would sleep when the sun goes down and you'd wake up when the sun comes up. It wasn't like yeah, my alarm goes off and I have to get up or I have to be in bed at a certain time. You just follow the natural rhythm of the you know world and how things used to be. How yeah, how things used to be. And like, I mean, we're not really wired that differently than we were tens of thousands of years ago. Like all the neurological stuff is the same. I know, bro. I'm wired to make bank, bro.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

I'm Bill Death. I'm wired to make bank, bro. I ain't caveman. The Catalina wine mixer coming up, bro. Got some chopper.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

It's like the no, you know, no off switch, constant stimulation, overstimulation. Yeah, which leads to you know, dying in a constant state of just excitement, anxiety. It's kind of crazy too. It's like you're constantly like, I don't know about you, but sometimes again, this thing where like today's a good example. I had a pretty chill day, like uh was only there from like six to noon. We had lunch, we worked out, whatever. But then I was like, okay, I if I get home at two and I have to be in bed by 10, I have exactly eight hours, which gives me like four hours to do all the crap that I need to do. So then I can do another hour or two of like winding down, and then I have like an hour or two of leisure, then I have an hour or two to spend with Tia. And it's like I'm compartmentalizing my day, and every minute that goes by, I'm just like, oh my God, I only have seven hours and twenty minutes. Oh my god, I only have five hours. And then like you blink, and it's like, oh my god, it's 6 p.m. I gotta go to bed at like 9 30. Yeah, you're always kind of like keeping your eye on the time. It's like you're not, you're never present, you're always looking ahead ahead, and you're like, I need to do this now. Literally, like on the way here, I was like, okay, we're gonna hang out, we're gonna finish our episode, and I'm like, okay, that's gonna take half an hour. It's gonna take me 20 minutes to get home. Tia's home at 5 30, which gives me an hour to like tidy up and get stuff done. Then I'm gonna spend time with her, then I'm gonna hop on the game for a bit, and then I'm like, oh crap. It's time to be bedtime. And then I also have to do some work on the computer. Yeah, it's crazy, man. It's like that's where the anxiety comes from. Yeah, it's like this uh the perpetual state of always. Like being like, okay, what's next? What's next? What's next? Yeah, you're not here. You're looking and thinking forward. So that messes with you. Not good. Yeah. Not good. So it's like, yeah, it's not there's a thing here that says it's not that life got harder, it's that our minds just don't shut off anymore, which is true. Like, even I'm in bed, it's like it takes me a good 30 minutes to fall asleep. And I have a decent wind-down routine, but it's still like, you know, by the time I get to bed, I'm like, okay, it's 10:30, I get to get up at 5.30, I got seven hours. Yeah. And then like I'll close my eyes and then I'll like something will wake me and I'll just like really quickly just check my phone and be like, fuck, it's 11. I only have six and a half hours. And it's like they like start to like climb down. But uh we only have a little bit left because we actually did a lot, so let's wrap it up. We got two more little portions here. Um, so the next thing that we were gonna kind of talk about is how being busy is uh like a personality trait. Like you were literally just joking about it two minutes ago.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

We were like, I'll build different, like you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Um yeah, no, it's like the first thing when you like I mentioned when we when the video got cut off. I actually remember a few of the things we talked about. The the first one being like you know, when you go and meet up with your friends or whatever, and you haven't seen them for a month or a few weeks or whatever the time is, and you're like, How you been, bro? And the first answer automatically is busy, bro. Busy, bro. Like it's almost like that's it's like the new cool thing. Not new, yeah. It's like it feels like a status for a year, it's like a status symbol to be overworked and overwhelmed. Yeah, that's that's everyone's answer, and it's been everyone's answer for like the last few decades. Um it's just like the automatic thing that people say when when they reconnect, and it's like you try to get you try to get some valuable information from each other, but it ends up just being like a what's like people don't even know what they're busy with. Yeah, you're just like I'm just busy. I'm just like I'm busy, I'm nonstop, just running around. And it doesn't busy being busy doesn't equate to being productive. No, like you're just running around literally, like I said, like wasting time thinking about stuff that hasn't even happened yet. And oh I gotta work on it. It's hard, it's really hard though. It's like it is definitely hard to to try to like slow down and be present because you're like thinking of you know just move to uh uh you know rural country land on a farm with some pigs, you know how you chickens. You know how you said like when you don't see friends for a long time and you're catching up. Do you find now like when you have like these social gatherings with friends or family, or you go to like an event, at least not all the time, but in a lot of experiences, do you find that like people don't like to just hang out and chill anymore? It's like I come in, I show face, say hi to everybody for like an hour or two, and you're already kind of like itching, people are kind of like already itching to like do something, bounce, or like get out or like do something, like yeah, or they go on their phone. Yeah, exactly. It's like there's like that little bit of silence, and it's like okay, phones out, or like, yeah, people just don't really like I I when I go to like social events, I can like feel it, you know what I mean? Where people are just like you can tell people are like looking for an excuse, okay. I've been here for two hours, I think that's good enough, and so I'm going home, like to to fucking watch TV or yeah, or relax and unwind. I mean when you should be relaxed about the feuds, yeah. You should be relaxing and unwinding with your friends and family. 100%. I feel that sometimes. Oh, 100%. You know what we should do is like next hang or whatever, or like next magic night. We should all put our phones in a box. Dude, I've been wanting to do that for so long. Like we hung out Oh, good idea. We stack our phones on top of each other. First person that goes, or we put them face down, like all in a rectangle on a faraway table. First person that has to go grab their phone has to pay for uh whatever food item for everybody. Yeah, I feel like a couple of us would be like, I've I don't freaking care. I need to check my phone, like here, take my credit card. Um, that's a good idea. I when we were uh we hung up this past Saturday, um, a couple of the guys and my little brother, and we were all hanging out and we were playing some magic, and you know, I had I wasn't using my phone, and Peter keeps checking his phone, and I'm like, dude, you're learning how to play the game. Like, how are you absorbing any information when you check your phone every like 30 seconds like all right, right, right, right. So this guy can attack this guy, right? And I'm like, no, that's not how this game works. But anyway, but it's it's true. That would be a fun experiment to do, yeah. Just like, listen, we're gonna hang, text your significant other. Yeah, it's like a Saturday afternoon. Like, what do you need to check your phone? And literally, I've seen over people's shoulders, like when we're hanging out, people are like, it's Instagram or like Reddit or like Discord, unnecessary, or just like you're scrolling through a news feed, like nothing. There's nothing, it's just that dopamine you're looking for because there's that silence or downtime, yeah, or maybe you're not part of the current conversation or whatever, you're kind of like, okay, I guess I'll just look at my phone until something happens interesting happens or I'm involved. Yeah, yeah, we should do that. When next time we hang out, we play magic or something, which is like I'm gonna get like a shoebox. Isn't it the Sunday? Or no, it's the next next Sunday. Yeah, we'll do that. We'll just be like, all right, everyone phones away. And I guarantee you we're gonna have more fun. It's gonna go slower. It won't just be about the anticipation of the hang anymore. It'll be the actual, the actual hang itself. It's like we need a boys' night, and then we get there, and it's like, well, it's been two hours. I think it's probably time for me to be hitting the old dusty trail. No, it's because you're thinking forward of like, oh shit. Yeah, I got stuff to do. Yeah, like you the unique guys need to be out. And you end up hanging for 40 minutes and you're like it's been hours. That was shit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, um, but back to the busy thing, we had a little sidetracked there, but yeah, it's like I was just reading a couple points here, but like some people are just filling time, and I think that's what it is too. Like, and I'm guilty of this too. Like, I'll just randomly do stuff that that probably don't need to do. Like, if I'm at the house and I have like an hour, and I'm like, okay, I this is a good time to like chill, but I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna like okay, that that shouldn't be there. I'm gonna move that over there, you know, and then I'll sit down and be like, shit, I should probably put some laundry in. Then I'll put laundry in, and I'll sit down and be like, ooh, you know what? Is the dishwasher full? You know what I mean? It's like you're just filling time with being busy. It's like an ADD way of being. It is, yeah. There's also that whole behavior reminds me of I forget what the actual top title of it is. It's a form of procrastination. Like procrastination is knowing that you're you're willingly not doing something that you should be doing. It's like willful ignorance. There's there's unknowing procrastination as well, where you think you're doing something productive, like cleaning or whatever, but you're really should you're avoiding the main thing that you need to be doing. I've done too. Oh, so many times. And like it's it just goes with the whole idea of like staying busy and just your mind is constantly like, oh, I should do this, I should do this. I find that it kind of gets in the way of you actually being productive with what you need to finish, and it kind of puts off the important topics for later. Loops back to why everyone's feeling so burnt down and tired all the time because you never get done because you're procrastinating on get the things done. So always being it's like a goalpost, you're doing it but it's not the right shit. It's not putting you towards whatever is uh causing you that anxiety, you're never actually reaching it, whether that's I don't know, you know, doing a thing around the house or getting work done or whatever, and you're kind of just filling your time. Bro, yo, echo, stop it. Uh Doggo.

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The problem with Doug, he not make us filming properly. It's okay. He wants attention. Um, is he going back? That's crazy. He better not. Uh, but yeah, let's go on to our last segment here, and then we can do a quick like uh just bonus round. Um sounds good to me. Most people don't know how to be alone. This kind of like touches back to pretty much everything we talked about. Um, but it's like, yeah, you always need background noise, background stimulation. You can't sit alone with your thoughts, jumping from like distraction to distraction and external validation addiction. That's a pretty big one. Uh I'm guilty of Instagram. I'm guilty of lots of I'm literally guilty of every single one of these. I think being alone in that sense is like you're able to stay in your space by yourself, with your dog, do whatever you want, and like whether you're distracted or not, I don't think that's the the problem. It's more so like you're comfortable with being alone and time kind of passing by slower, although you can't you could be alone and be a heck and still have like a bunch of shit to do. Well, but I think if you're I'm kind of understanding that like a lot of people just cannot be by themselves regardless of what they're doing, like they they need to be with someone else to feel comfortable, yeah. Or just feel like they're with someone via social media or whatever, like you constantly need to see what other people are doing, so you don't have to kind of uh I guess reflect on your own whatever. Yeah, and you could just honestly try to desensitize yourself or whatever. I feel like I can't remember if we already discussed meditation or like you well, I was gonna say I think in earlier in this episode before we got uh cut off, and if we didn't, yeah, maybe it was in conversation, but you mentioned for you uh cooking has been like that kind of yep. That's like you're alone. It's like a new one, yeah. Because like there's no phone, you're just cooking the food, it takes 30 minutes, like or 45 minutes, whatever, but you're like what if the most you're looking at is a sheet of paper with instructions on how to cook a meal. My phone is only used as a timer, yeah. Exactly. It'll be like cereal start a 20-minute timer to put adjust certain things, and yeah, so things like that. You gotta do things that you're not reliant on your device. Yeah, I think reading is good for people who read, like reading is really, really good. Really, we've both really gotten into that recently. Like, I I'm about to finish my third book of the year, which is pretty huge. That's pretty good, dude. I'm on track to finish three books for the whole year. No, like it's awesome. Yeah, like funny. You gotta find something. Oh, he's he's swear to God. Yo, Echo, Echo, come here, buddy. Bro, stop it. Echo is his dog. Um never know. For me, I think the closest thing to that, besides the occasional reading, is uh like or like we talked about magic, like the card game, the like is when I sit and organize building decks. Or just sit and organize cards. Like I'll get like the my organizer, I'll just fucking guy turns into rain man. Yeah, yeah, dude. I'm just sitting there, and it's nice, bro. Like it's yeah, you just sometimes an hour goes by and you're just like sorting stuff. It is in its own way a form of medicine. But it's like that long hour, you know? There's a short hour, and there's that like full hour of I've had whoa, already an hour pass. I've already had 10 short hours today. Yeah, it's like I don't even feel like I'm I'll split my day up into three different days, seven hours each. I've lived three lives already, yeah. Um but yeah, we were talking about that. Can'tcel alone with your thoughts. The jumping from distraction to distraction is a pretty big one. Like I find myself doing that a lot. Yeah, it goes back to that procrastination thing, yeah. And then, you know, external validation, that's big. I think that applies to everybody. We're all constantly like looks like a yeah, and I found like now that I've gotten back into social media more and like being more active and posting, like it's kind of I've kind of trimmed it down a little bit because I was like moving and stuff. But when I was like really doing it the last two to three months, dude, it'd be like it is like wake up and the first thing I check is notifications, be like, oh sick, this video has a thousand views or ten thousand views or whatever. And it's like constantly just hitting the refresh and being like, Yes, more people that I've never met in my life like me. Yeah, and at the end of the day, what did it be? None of it matters. Literally, none of it matters, you know, literally nothing matters. Um, silence makes people uncomfortable, or that's yeah, that's that's a big one. I find like if you don't I'm guilty of this. Hey, hey, I'm guilty of this sometimes. Hey buddy, stop. Where like, you know, sometimes uh I'll have a travel, like we'll be having a conversation with Tia and she's very like quiet. You know, Tia, she's like very very reserved, very quiet. And like I'm sitting there, like, it's like I'm having a one-side, like, not that she's not a good conversationalist, but sometimes it's like I if it's really quiet in the house for like 10 minutes, I'll just start randomly just talking the most random, completely random stuff just to fill the silence. Because the silence feels you can't you just can't deal with it. Yeah, it's like it's like is something wrong? Should I be saying something? Is it's weird that it's been so quiet. But then if you just let it happen, it's actually quite nice, you know. But I think we've gotta be with your thoughts. Yeah, exactly. Um just like the whole meditation thing. Like it's not it's not that you want to shut off your brain and show. Yeah, literally the the the final um statement here is most like what you just said, most people aren't scared of being alone, they're just scared of being alone with their own thoughts. As soon as you sit down and you just like literally try people should try this. Just like literally just sit down on the couch, turn everything off, be aware of it, and just sit and be aware of everything, and you'll see how fast you start all these probably things that have been deep, deep in the back of your head start coming to the surface. And it's like honestly, you just gotta fuck you gotta deal with it. Like, you gotta like accept it. Like you said in meditation, you kind of like acknowledge that these thoughts are there, breathe, and breathe, like breathing, and then you feel so much better. And then you're like, okay, this isn't like a constant like crisis, like you're in fight or flight. No. 24-7. Um, we do have a little rapid fire here. Um do it that we can talk about. Um, just a couple things. We kind of talked about all of them, but we can just kind of do like an agree or disagree, and or just kind of our own thoughts. But notifications control your day, is our first point. Yeah, yeah. I've been noticing an uptick in like a lot of people put putting do not disturb on. I have it on all day. Yeah, I literally have it on all day. I have like two people that were. One thing it doesn't help with is like that one off chance that it's something important that comes through and you're like, shit. But like every time Camille calls me and he's so mad, he's like, Why is your phone always on do not disturb? Mike, well, some of us aren't awake at 4 p.m. in the afternoon. Like, I we have stuff to do, you know what I mean? He's like, What are you doing at 3 a.m. on a Tuesday? And they're like, I'm wild. Um, people don't finish things anymore. A lot of product product. Yeah, I think a lot of people get excited to do something, and then they start it, and then it comes back to that because there's so many distractions, so many things going on, it just kind of starts to fade to the back. Yeah. Um, attention span attention spans are cooked. Oh, bro. Attention spans have been the lowest they've ever been, I think. And we can attribute that to you know, the TikToks, the reels, all that stuff. Everything is so much faster, you know, and I think I think we touched on this briefly, or maybe not actually. I don't think we did, but I was saying last week, I went to watch the the this gray movie Project Hail Mary, and um I was saying to V that you know, I like the movies now. It's like you're forced to watch the movie. Yeah, man. I was telling you about this. I think we were when you said you were gonna go see it. I'm like, that's I love going to the movies because that's the I think we did talk about this maybe earlier in the episode. If we're I feel like I'm having deja vu. If we did, bear with us. Or maybe it was just a conversation I had with you. It's your fault. You hit the mic with the bar and mic's brainstorm. Yeah, like that's that's why I love the movies, man. It's like you're you can be on your phone, you're locked in, you're fully engaged in the movie, and it's like you come out and you're like, Whoa, that was awesome. Like, nowadays you try and watch a movie or a show with not necessarily a group of people, just like you just in general another, just in general. One of you is pulling out your phone, yeah. It's not me. I'm not gonna say um this is a good one. This is the last point here, and then we can wrap it up. Just kidding. Um, we consume more than we create. Oh yeah, buddy. We're in an era of consumption, just constant consumption, whether it's food or yeah, media. I was gonna say right now, more so media than ever alcohol. Back in the day, consumption, you know, consumption stems into various different things. I think it's media though, for sure. Like I think we consume way too much media, and it numbs your creativity because I think too when you're constantly consuming media and saying how great everybody else is and they're creating all this cool content and stuff, you're like, I can't fucking do any of that. Not even that, it's more so you if you start creating something you create based on what you think you should be creating, like, oh, that's popping up trending. Topic is trending. I should be making stuff like that. Meanwhile, you should be making something that you want to be making that's like true to you, what you like, and that's pretty tough. Like, as you know, uh one of the things I see a lot when you see these people talking about content creation specifically, like we're just gonna touch that real quick. Is it's like, you know, if you want your you want to get followers, you want to get brand deals, whatever, you gotta go in and look up your niche and see what the most popular thing was the most useful, copy it, and then just put your own spin on it. Get the hook. This is what you say in the first 10 seconds. This is what you do, and it's like it's a science, bro. But then it's like not it's not really authentic, right? Like you're making you're making content because you know it's gonna generate views because it's currently trending or whatever, but it's like I want to be doing yeah, it's like I've I'm guilty of that. I've found I've seen stuff where I'm like, oh, this is like a funny meme right now. I'll spend a minute or two making a post about this, boom, million views. And it's like, I'll make something that I enjoy doing, boom, 200 views. And it's like then you're kind of in this position where you're like, man, like, do I suck or are people stupid, or is it a combination of both, or is it just like this whole where everyone again is so con and obsessed with consuming media that it's like everyone on the planet is on this meme, and then everyone on the planet is on this meme, or this trend, or and it's like you're just constantly trying to catch up. But I guess the the trends always start with someone being creative and doing something outside the box that catches on, and people copy, and then people copy it, right? Yeah, anyways. Um, but yeah, I think we kind of wrap it up with uh this is a good one. Maybe the problem isn't that we need more, maybe we need less. Take that and get a lower back tattoo. Anyways, that's it for this one. This one probably ended up being a little longer than a quick pumps because we'd like a half and a half. Yeah, we had that little technical difficulty in the middle of the episode 30 minutes, but uh yeah, I mean, like we're gonna definitely do a couple more couch sessions, a little more out of the box, not necessarily linked to health. Kind of just like more bro session bro session. We got some cool like gaming ones and it'll be fun. It'll be like we do those like taste flippable moments talking about what we should what creativity, what we should be doing versus what we want to be doing. We should see what's popular and trending and copy. Yes, just that. Okay, just that. Anyways, slow it down, guys. Don't be anxious. That's my advice. Walk your dog, be walk your dog. I'm gonna see you guys. Put your phone in a box. Go on an island and live like a monkey. All right, please.