A Kiki Catchup

BREAKING NEWS: Bravo’s Amanda Batula & West Wilson’s Summer House Situationship Revealed

Jackie Buzgo and Mallory Cooper Episode 30

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WE NEED ANDY AND A CAMERA. Jackie and Mallory have turned on the lights in the Kiki Newsroom to breakdown the official Instagram "situationship" statement from Bravo's Summer House stars, Amanda Batula and West Wilson. With a drop this hot we needed added insight from our resident Gen Z expert, and field correspondant, Katie P.  All opinions are our own and completely unhinged.  Nobody is safe from catching strays. With "Scamanda" updates continuing to break while we record, this episode is a wild ride. 

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SPEAKER_05

Breaking news, everybody. We have breaking news. We have breaking news. And this news was so breaking that we had to bring in our special Gen Z correspondent, Kate AP.

SPEAKER_01

I have so much to say. Oh my god. My thumbs hurt from texting. So I'm glad that we're doing it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, give your thumbs a break. Yeah, because we wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_01

I saw the statement post within one minute of it posting. I have been so active on my social media waiting for an update. Mm-hmm. Because there's nothing I love more than someone's life that's not mine.

SPEAKER_04

100%. Yeah, obviously.

SPEAKER_01

I would like to give thoughts to Mallory because you were the first person to admit to me publicly that you hated her.

SPEAKER_04

And yes, she has she has made this statement on the podcast several times. She has not only said it, she's declared it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yes. And that makes sense. And I would just like to. Yeah. I I broke the news on our Teams chat at work, Brafaholics Teams chat, and our other friend who's on it was like, Oh, I hope it's not true. I'm like, it's definitely true. Katie comes in and says, Girl, you know that's been debunked like five times over, laugh emoji. Followed by, you are mentally ill. You're letting hate blind you. I am so dead at how much you hate her. Now. So was I invited your eight trapped? Yes, I'm bringing you to the red table.

SPEAKER_01

No, I take it all back. You were right, I was wrong. I'll say it again. You were right, I was wrong. Thank you. Wow.

SPEAKER_04

I'll say I'll save that audio clip for you, Mallory. Don't you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I thought that them going publicly and speaking like, oh, we're just friends. I thought like by then you'd, you know, why would you continue something if you can see how outrageous this is? I think the point that I I would like to drive home is I did I did not 100% love Amanda, I will say, because how do you stay in a relationship like that on television for years? Right. Yeah. Complaining every year about the same thing. Um and I think that the problem is we were all blinded by like who her husband was. You know, like you know, you could stand anybody could stand next to bin Laden and be a hero, you know, like as that's right.

SPEAKER_05

That's right.

SPEAKER_01

And of course, when you're sitting next to Kyle Cook, you look like the damsel in distress.

SPEAKER_05

Kyle Cook, the bin Laden of Summerhouse.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe that was the best comparison.

SPEAKER_05

He is, I mean, I mean true. I'll tell you, I I don't hate Kyle, but I lot, you know what made me lose respect for him? Not all the times he's cheated on Amanda or screamed at her or you know, any of those things. Oh, it was last week when he refused to put$15,000 into Carl's soft bar. I'm sorry. How dare you? How dare you?

SPEAKER_04

I mean him with the now last week's episode. So we haven't announced that I don't know if it's Mallory and I just recorded an episode where we swore on our dead father's graves that this was all going to be an April Fool's joke. We we're living in delusion. I don't think that's off the table.

SPEAKER_01

It is not April 1st yet. Why would you why would you open yourself up to that level of public hate? Like, not even just scrutiny, hate for a joke, especially Amanda, who is perpetually the victim, right? Like, Mellor, it's over.

SPEAKER_00

It's over. It's not a note.

SPEAKER_05

I'm just saying. I I look, I called it first. I think it happened. I think it happened. But I'm just saying, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that it is. I think they're all just dumb enough to do that.

SPEAKER_01

There's just wrong on so many levels. I don't even know. Um I have I have the the thing that's burning to me is I need to know how everybody found out on Cast.

SPEAKER_04

I need to know how questions about it so we are breaking the news that uh Amanda and Ty Amanda and Wes from Summer House have just announced within the last hour that they are in a relationship.

SPEAKER_05

That the roof maybe I'll just quickly read the joint statement that they've got. Please quickly. We've seen the growing online speculation. So while this is still very new, we wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything. Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved and the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show, we need a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We've shown up for each other as friends over the years through all the highs and lows, and what's developed recently was the last thing either of us expected. They continued, our connection grew out of a genuine, long-standing friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach this with care. As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognize that this has an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Can we just say the one thing we're all thinking? Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Can you imagine having to release a joint statement with your situation chip? I'd kill myself about ten times over. Like I would die from embarrassment. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04

I think at this point, there's a uh a Crazy Days and Nights Blind that came out in July that said a married member of this seasonal cast, seasonal house cast, is cheating on her husband. I think this has been happening since last summer through filming. And I also think I'll actually give my husband credit on this, who just said, this was why this makes sense why Kyle is going so out of his mind this season. Because I think he had suspicions. I'm not a Kyle apologist, but I'm saying the last episode he was unhinged, like him running around with a speaker, like DJing to into the void. And I think calling her a fucking bitch. I mean, yeah, I think this I he must have sensed something. I think this has been going on for a long time.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like it was an emotional thing, probably for a while. But I I I said this to my girlfriends the other day how lazy and self-obsessed do you have to be to live in one of the most populated cities in the world? And instead of going out and finding anyone else that is not really left.

SPEAKER_05

She can't go out though. She doesn't get out of the bed, you know. Right. But like you just need somebody to come to her when she's high.

SPEAKER_01

As a public figure, you cannot find anybody else that has not dated your one of your best friends that has gotten you through like the most pathetic relationship on TV. Like, how pathetic do you have to be? Pathetic.

SPEAKER_05

Pathetic. Pathetic. And and this man who, while I do really like West this season, let us not forget that the second he got an ounce of fame on Summer House, he's immediately being a fuckboy. He is telling people that he's not attracted to her and whatever else. Like, I just, if these two don't get married, what was this all for? No, like that's the only way.

SPEAKER_01

This is what we all said after Scandaval.

SPEAKER_04

It's like if Raquel and Tom don't end up together forever and ever, then what was this all for? And it was all for nothing.

SPEAKER_05

Those two are a much dumber version of this, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01

I will say scan this is not quite Scandaval to me because in Scandaval, Tom and Ariana were together for like 10 years, living together, full-on relationship, and there was months-long betrayal. This is still betrayal, it's just not like infidelity. But no, Scamanda Batullah had us all like you had every opportunity. Like that's what I can't. You squandered every both of you, but especially Amanda, like you had every opportunity to come out on top. Do you know how many people were 90 when that joint was 100% to release two joint statements in the span of what two months, three months? Like, what's the common denominator here?

SPEAKER_05

Unreal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

When did she announce? When did they announce their divorce statement? It was right before the season, right? Hold on, let's go. Let's do um it was right before the season. Was it on her regular page? Is this one on her regular page? No, they posted it. I think it puts it on the phone. It's in her story. It's in her stories. Shoot. Let me look it up. He talk amongst yourselves.

SPEAKER_01

That had to have been February. It hadn't been before it it came out. Yeah, no, I here's the thing.

SPEAKER_05

This is let us not forget, this is the woman who slut shamed a single Lindsay for having sex with guys in a summer house.

SPEAKER_01

I just think that again, like Amanda was standing next to Kyle. So we all think for some reason, everybody was like, oh, poor Amanda, when you know you made your bed. Like, I don't, I never felt for that narrative. So yeah, standing next to Kyle, of course, you're gonna look like the war hero.

SPEAKER_04

January 19th. Okay, see for barely two and a half months since you just announced your divorce. I'm so embarrassed. You like so embarrassed. You were such a pick me girl. You you spent the whole last season filming, knowing you were flirting in an emotional relationship, maybe a physical one, we don't know yet, with one of your alleged best friends, like heartbreaks.

SPEAKER_05

And then, like, I and I not just heartbreak, but like he embarrassed her on TV. Yeah, to me, that is worse. It's like Sabrina Carpenter said, you know? Yeah, please don't embarrass me, motherfucker. Yeah, well, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

And I I would say Wes also, yes, has a lot to blame here, but I'm not going just for the woman, but I argue Amanda had far more loyalty than that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, he really didn't have any loyalty. And I also don't like then, does that mean that he was like this whole thing of him potentially being interested in Sierra again was all just horseshit? Like he just made it up and now he's fucking with her again for another summer.

SPEAKER_01

It's like everybody wants a bad bit like Sierra until you have one, and then they hold you accountable for your shitty actions, and now you just need to settle for the it's so much easier to go for the emotionally wounded, like you know, low maintenance, like yeah, baby voice, damselinda tiny little bitch.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, then love the heroes. Yeah, and you know what Wes likes to do? Wes likes to go out. What do you think Amanda's gonna do six months into their relationship? She's gonna be laying in that bed just like she is right now.

SPEAKER_04

I would record and he's gonna move on.

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100%.

SPEAKER_01

Imagine how hard their hearts were racing before they clicked post.

SPEAKER_04

My heart would be my asshole. I hope they've had diarrhea nonstop.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I don't know. Oh, a hundred percent. They probably posted from like toilets next to each other.

SPEAKER_01

No, they are probably they probably posted it, turned their phones off, and they are like on a wellness retreat, like at a rehab.

SPEAKER_05

They're in like uh those suspension tanks, like or whatever they're called, the uh deprivation tanks.

SPEAKER_01

That I think is crazy about the whole thing, too, is that there was increasing speculation, you know, for the last few weeks, and most of the speculation or like the rumors come from like people just overhearing things. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't like oh, in a post or whatever, it was like people are literally hearing other people talk about it on the cast or whatever. And it's like speculation. It's it's like shut up. Like shut up. Like if you if this is as secretive as it is, yes, how are you talking about it in every public setting you can find?

SPEAKER_05

That's like you can't, you can even a non-celebrity, you can't just do shit anymore. Did you see that? Like somebody uh posted a video of a woman at a baseball, like a MLB game, texting her friend, like, God, there's so many Mexicans here. Why are they so unruly? And it's like that's not even a celebrity. It's like you can't do shit in the public anymore. Don't do anything, don't do anything. Don't be an asshole, don't be an asshole in public.

SPEAKER_04

Mexicans catching strays in this podcast. We apologize.

SPEAKER_05

I know. Yeah, no, that is not my stance to be clear. All right. I'm glad that woman was called out for that. But yeah, yeah, just lazy. I just it's like do you think they want it to get caught?

SPEAKER_01

Do you think they're not? I think they've been hiding it for a long time. Relief now that they like that it is out there, but I need to know, like, okay, I I keep looking at the timelines, right? And West and Sierra were at the Super Bowl together, like with you know, Bravo and whatever, together watching the game, like posted together. So, how long has this been going on? One, two, how did I mean to know everybody found out? And Dave Portnoy just tweeted, like, he quoted a tweet and was like, like, snooze chicken fry told me about this like a few months ago or whatever. And it was like that.

SPEAKER_05

So it's like definitely been going on since before they announced their divorce. Maybe they've already separated.

SPEAKER_01

No, I know, but I mean, like, how for for some people to know and some people to not. Like, my thing was with Sierra's like she I hate that she does it this way, but I know if I was her, I would feel so fucking stupid because like you're telling me now other people knew before me, and now here I am on TV, and like people are shipping me with this guy that I cared about, and I thought, like, oh, maybe things would be different, and now I look like a moron for trusting that like my friend wouldn't be evil.

SPEAKER_04

Like I hope she do you both think this is has anything to do with why he brought Dara on, his ex onto the show? Do you think he was trying to maybe make her jealous? Do you think he was trying to use her as a red herring of like I'm gonna bring someone else I hooked up with on her?

SPEAKER_05

Immediately like got together with KJ.

SPEAKER_01

No, I thought it was honestly just that, like to me, I think that uh Summer House maybe had like one season left after Kyle and Amanda's divorce, like unless they like completely rebooted. So I feel like the network was like, we because Kyle, Amanda, and Lindsay are all going to in the city, right? Like that. And I I would imagine that that is like the natural progression of things is they're like, oh, well, these three are gonna go, they're gonna be gone, we need to fill the house more. And like they started nominating, which is my right expectation. But this also like opened the door where it's like with Scandinaval, VPR was going down the toilet, like there was nothing else to talk about, nothing else to come around.

SPEAKER_04

And this is his redemption season, please.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, this gives Summer House that same treatment where it's like okay, well, now we have something to talk about for a season, but I can't imagine a world where Sierra would subject herself to that. But then again, like she shouldn't have to be the one to leave the house because she didn't do anything fucking wrong. And Amanda's not interesting without she has no storyline individually. Her storyline has always ever been my marriage sucks, and I refuse to leave it.

SPEAKER_05

Because she has nothing and there's not anything interesting about her. No, the the angriest I've been in a while was on the last episode when Jesse said she was the funniest girl he'd ever met. I was like, I threw my phone across the room. I was like, I I cannot. Are we fucking this is where we are right now? Yeah, there's not a chance on her. Yeah, and she's not the funniest girl in the house. She's the least funny girl in the house.

SPEAKER_01

She's not the funniest girl in Amanda. Like, no.

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No.

SPEAKER_05

She's just, she was just, I can't. I mean, she has nothing going on. She's lazy. She just lays around and whine, whine, whine. Poor me, poor me. That's all she's got.

SPEAKER_04

I will say she has had quite a glow-up. I will give her props for that. Right. Since her first season, she looks amazing. Clearly, it got to her head. And now, like, as you guys are talking about this, I'm thinking of all everything that's happened this season. Like, what about the whole Jesse and West and him wanting to like make out with Sierra and that? Yeah. Like, do you think West is just riding these things out? Like, yes, let's ride like this wave out. Like, this distracts from what's going on. Like, is it all just now? I need to like re-watch this first half of the season.

SPEAKER_05

You know, I well, I feel like I saw clips of him too when it they were Kyle was talking about how bad things are, and he said they never have sex, and Wes was like, like, he was happy to hear that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I know.

SPEAKER_04

That this is what's giving me stand of all vibes. This is what's giving me Scamanda. Like, this was this was happening in one way or another to some degree during the filming of that season. You cannot convince me otherwise. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I just know, like, Sierra Miller, if you're out there listening to this podcast, which you should be. Which you should be.

SPEAKER_04

We know you are.

SPEAKER_01

We know I cannot tell you I believe in just the most beautiful things coming to you because there is just 100%.

SPEAKER_05

Absolutely. You're a queen amongst people.

SPEAKER_01

I know she is beautiful and everything, but besides that, she's like intelligent, she's interesting, she's like fiercely loyal. Yeah. And we see all of the things on the show. She's very hilarious. She's actually and we see all of this on the show, so I can only imagine what it is like in person. And it's like people are riding for you. We support you. Like the people 100%. The people love you. And like out of very shitty things, do great opportunities come for people like her. It's just I I'm gonna re-animatics. Exactly. And like I I'm sure she will get that treatment now because like what the fuck is that? Sierra for the Bachelorette. Seriously. Sierra for Dancing with the Stars. Unlike the Bachelorette. But like Agri wants love.

SPEAKER_05

Like they can't get men good enough for her, though. I don't think. No, I agree. No.

SPEAKER_01

I I don't even know. Like somebody needs to be made in the a lab in order to be good enough for her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Madison Cawthorn's driver is not gonna cut it. The guy who drove him into a tree drunk or whatever is not. That's not gonna do it for our CRV.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Top pick.

SPEAKER_05

Unless it was on purpose, in which case I'd consider it, you know.

SPEAKER_01

But I I also need to know like what's gonna happen with the swimsuit line. Like, because ain't nobody buying that.

SPEAKER_04

Buying the swimsuit line. Is it even made? I think it's bullshit. I think it's just people.

SPEAKER_05

There's no swimsuits for people who are really tiny with zeros.

SPEAKER_01

Oh no. I'm so skinny and I fucking honkers. Oh, right.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Every time you look at me, you want to go Dan it, lady. I don't need to hear this. Right. Oh, I have to buy a different size top than bottom. Get out of here. It's problem solved.

SPEAKER_01

You're not getting sympathy here.

SPEAKER_05

This is a bit of a side quest, but the way these women walk around being hung over, and you have to know, bloated as fuck, in like a thong swimsuit. I will understand. Maybe it's my GI issues. I don't know. But there's not a chance in hell.

SPEAKER_01

Can I tell you, I mean, I'm full of I'm I'm watching the show with a pillow on my lap over my stove. Okay. Like this. And I'm not even there.

SPEAKER_05

Like fully clothed. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. I'm just looking around, like, oh god.

SPEAKER_01

I could have a GLP1 as an IV drip every day daily, and I still could not never.

SPEAKER_04

My DNA structure could never let me know.

SPEAKER_05

See is insane. It's insane. Like I've never seen it like it.

SPEAKER_01

No, I and like those are some of God's strongest women for being able to do that, given the food that's in that kitchen and the and what they're doing.

SPEAKER_05

And what they're drinking. I mean, I'm sorry, you had 15 lover boys yesterday. There's nothing going up in my butt. I'm just telling you that right now.

SPEAKER_01

Are people gonna rally behind that disgusting ass?

SPEAKER_04

Well, this is what pisses me off is like, Amanda, how dare you? How dare you make it? Yes, all the hate that he deserved. And you fucking took that away from us. And now we gotta root for him. Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_01

Yep. And it's like when you're all to root for him. When Austin Kroll on Southern Charms was slut shaming Sally, and I was like, don't make me defend her.

SPEAKER_05

Don't right. Nobody wants to be a few.

SPEAKER_01

So now I have to dare. Because you're disgusting.

SPEAKER_04

I would love a sea I'm loving this season. Literally, last episode we talked about how much we loved Summer House and how fun it was and how happy it was. And like, I love all the new additions. I love Mia. I love Mia, Sierra, and KJ. Then lead the next season.

SPEAKER_05

Let's turn it around.

SPEAKER_01

Let's I just like I can't see a I'm sorry, like I just still can't get over the fact that like you had to release a joint statement with your situationship. You guys clearly aren't even like officially dating, you haven't labeled it. And like that's so embarrassing. And then and then you now have to get married. You have to get married, you have to have totally.

SPEAKER_04

Or you have to move to like Ohio and live a secret.

SPEAKER_01

I'm surprised Kyle has not said anything yet. Maybe, maybe they all weren't saying anything yet to like maybe nobody wanted to be the one to lead the charge until somebody released a statement because you know, cyberbullying and we're also scared of bullying, and I'm not, but you know, it's because I'm on the other end of it. I am the bully. Forget it. Because I'm not being bullied, I am bullying. Right. I I I I I need to be in the group chat. Like, I'm thinking about DMing all of them except for Sierra, Rest, and Amanda and being like, Can you just add me real quick? Like, I know you guys have it. So if you could just fly on the wall.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I give me read-only access. You know, I don't need comments.

SPEAKER_01

I don't need to be able to changes.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I just mean I just are talking to see if any of them have said anything. Kyle.

SPEAKER_01

Hannah must feel so vindicated. Um the best days of her life.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, we need to hear from Paige. Oh, well, Paige commented.

SPEAKER_01

So I don't know if you saw Hannah like put an ad out for like honest, flushable wipes, right? But in the ad, you can tell she's talking about like the drum online and the shade and whatever. And um you you can tell it's alluding to the situation. And Paige comments, oh, we see where Hannah stands on this issue or something like that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, just posted a picture of Alex from Love is Blind and put the new publicist. Oh, you guys can't see it. Their new publicist, like Alex from Love is Blind.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that feels right. She's so funny. Minute ago, a minute ago. A queen. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god. Yeah. I just there's just so much of this. And like they haven't even taped the reunion yet.

SPEAKER_05

Thank God. Thank God.

SPEAKER_04

And and Amanda and and Wes better not pussy out. They better not sit there looking around doe-eyed, being silent, being like, they're gonna take a handful of cannabis, just like every housewife.

SPEAKER_05

I mean you better say it with your full chest. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I I just again, like, I need to cameras better be up. If cameras aren't up, like Bravo will hear from my attorneys. Um, are you kidding? The fact that cameras aren't even up for secret lives right now, I like I'm already boiling.

SPEAKER_04

If y'all want to pull this up, boiling. Bravo would never let that happen. Bravo would never let them happen.

SPEAKER_05

Those cameras are up, they're up and rolling, they're running down the city. They've got a secret camera in the, you know, in the remote facility. You know, they're like, Jax, you better fucking film yourself every day on your link. Yeah, they've ugly phones.

SPEAKER_01

I um I saw that Andy said something like about how he he, I think yesterday said something on his radio show, like not saying that he knows anything about it or whatever, but like something about how you should watch Summer House the rest of the season. I have a feeling that they all have to know, and maybe I do think that they were probably waiting for the statement to be released. I have seen for a few days now that this statement was going to be released. I don't know if you guys, I'm sure you guys saw it too. People were like, yeah, a statement's supposed to be released by both of them this week. So I would imagine if that got out, like Bravo knows, and I would imagine cameras are up. Things just haven't probably been said yet. But when do people know if cameras are up? I guess as people just talk.

SPEAKER_04

Valerie and I thought that statement was going to be an April Fool's joke, by the way. We did, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_05

That's the world we were living in up until I I bet you that Bravo said if this is happening, you better get a fucking statement out right now, and we're talking about it. Like, or you will not have a job next year.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh but wasn't he just on Watch What Happens Live?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, didn't he say just denying the man in the streets and how there she's very important to him? And it's like you're showing her the streets that you're on in your bedroom, the sheets. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So do you say you're showing her the streets, I think you mean you're showing her the sheets. The sheets of your twin-sized bed.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Maybe the streets like on his little little boy sheets? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, yeah, yeah. Leo has sheets like that. Yeah, where you're right that drive a little car around exactly on his big boy bed.

SPEAKER_01

I I would love, I would give anything to have heard Lindsay Hubbard's reaction. I I want to know how they found out. Like, did see did did Amanda come clean and tell Sierra? Did they just start putting pieces together?

SPEAKER_04

I think they told I think one of them told Sierra. Hopefully, Amanda told Sierra. And then I think from there it spread. And Jesse, I bet Jesse, I bet Jesse was the first to know. I bet Wes told Jesse. 100%.

SPEAKER_05

This also annoys me that now we're Jesse's gonna be in a better light now. I was literally going to say he is probably having the best thing ever.

SPEAKER_01

Blockhead idiot. Yeah. Exactly. Because you know he's getting clowned online for just breathing. Like he's just the worst.

SPEAKER_05

He's gonna get he's gonna drop a song about it by the end of the day. Jesse Solomon, I will not let you know peace.

SPEAKER_01

Jesse Solomon, if you're hearing this, I will not let you know peace. Okay. Like this, I have time for both of you.

SPEAKER_03

She's cleared her schedule.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, cleared her schedule. Yeah. At our company that we will not name, we get a week of sick time. And if this ain't it, baby, I don't know what is.

SPEAKER_04

You know what? You guys have to worry about those Kit Kats. It's fine. That's gonna buy enough time for you all. Oh, yeah. It's not the Kit Kat company.

SPEAKER_01

But it affects us all. I feel like Amanda and West are justifying it to themselves because Sierra and West weren't even dating and it was so long ago, and blah, blah, blah. Like you know that they are saying that is how they are justifying it to themselves.

SPEAKER_04

And why not? Even if not Sierra, even if you take Sierra out of that, again, not a Kyle apologist, piece of shit. But like to do that to Kyle, you are two months out of your divorce, and this guy was your homie. And you like film a show that you work together, you're co-workers.

SPEAKER_01

And also you I'm sorry, I I had to do the math the other day because they've been married for like 10 years, right? Or been together for 10 years. And I think you got married for five. She was 23, 24 when they got together. You've been with this man for 10 years, you don't know anything about yourself. And you immediately jump into another relationship. Like to me, I'm not one to judge other people. No, I am one to judge other people. And I would put that on the other.

SPEAKER_04

You take that back right now.

SPEAKER_01

But like don't get me wrong, I have been with my like boyfriend forever. And you know, like I I I get like if you're with that person when you are younger and it's solid, whatever, like that's fine, but you you have been with him since you were 23. You are now divorced for the first time before in in a decade. And is the ink dry though? Like, are they even divorced? Well, they're not together, and you wanna like who doesn't at least spend one year getting to know themselves and dating around. You know what I mean? For you to have to go from a marriage where you know, and yes, I get it. Like the marriage was going downhill for a while. Someone didn't feel like she had a husband for a while, blah blah blah. I get it, sure. But like you still weren't able to go out and date and do the whole thing, and you're gonna take that away from yourself by like jumping into something that's problem problematic aside, but like you're just gonna go ahead and jump into something already. Like, I think that's just weird, and that just shows like you are not.

SPEAKER_05

Let me tell you, let me tell you something about this type of girl, this type of mean girl. They, even if they're in a relationship, they hate for other women to get male attention. Hate it. Guarantee you, she has been jealous as shit of Sierra the entire time they've been friends because Sierra's hot, all the guys want her, all this. And now she has the opportunity to get into a relationship with the guy who didn't want Sierra. That's what this is about.

SPEAKER_01

On that one episode of Summer House, I think Paige and Hannah were still on the show. It was a couple years ago, but like they were all at the bar one night, and Amanda's like, I want to pretend I'm single to see how many numbers I can get. And from Amanda got all the numbers, right? Like she got the most out of everybody, and like that's just not the behavior of somebody who is happy and secure where they are at.

SPEAKER_05

No, I know this type of girl, I know this type of pick-me girl. I have friends that are this girl, they all behave this way. Yes, they need that male attention. And to your point, she has yeah, she she was 23 when they got together. He was cheating on her from the jump. She's never had security. The only thing she has is her looks and her, you know, bazongas. So drop a 90s in there for you. She, this is this is it. She's still like that's her whole identity. Yeah, as being this like sweet victim, demure hot chick who all the guys want but can't have because she's married. But guess what? Now they can't.

SPEAKER_04

And all in her identity was him, it was Loverboy, it was Kyle's wife, it was co-co-star.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, it was it was I'm gonna change him. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna make his own comedy. We're gonna move to the burps and have a kid. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What did I say? You stand next to bin Laden, you look like the hero. Of course, she thinks like everybody's like, I and I I was not one rallying behind Amanda because again, like to me, she's Britney Cartwright. You knew who you were marrying.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, 100%. Way before you had she.

SPEAKER_05

But she's had a much better education, I would imagine, than Britney Cartwright. Well, yes, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01

She's she's even worse than my she should know better.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Kyle Cook is no Jax Taylor, like, truthfully. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

But Jax Taylor really is bin Laden of reality TV.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. While Bin Lannick gets so many strains. But yeah, like, and again, I think this narrative as where it gets dangerous. Is oh it's the poor wife, poor meat, my well, we don't live in, you know, you know, the 1930s when women can't live. And there's no kids involved, too, mind you. Like, thank God. Women can always leave their husband.

SPEAKER_05

Especially this one. You're not like, you don't have no money, you don't have no education, you don't have like all these barriers to leaving. Yeah. He's not abusive.

SPEAKER_01

Like, and I think the spirit goes to her head. She thinks like there's all these people that are rallying behind her. Like, I can get away with murder because the thing is.

SPEAKER_05

You deserve love. I deserve love.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, she acts single this season. Like, she acts single. She's flirting with everyone, she's especially flirting with Wes, as we're all now seeing in hindsight. Yep. Like she's out partying actually this season. Like, she's having a good time. She's jumping in the pool naked. Like, she is acting single. She may have legally been married, but in her mind, in her heart, she was single and she was hooking up with Wes in some form. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I do think her and Kyle were separated before the summer. And like I think so too. I agree. And you know, maybe that's just like her coming to terms. I don't know. But again, like you could you could not find anybody. How lazy are you? All we've seen about her is how lazy she is. I'm sorry. Like, I get you were depressed. I understand. I get like mental health will do a lot of things to you. But like I don't think that that's always been the problem. Like, truthfully, I just don't think you arrive. Like, I just don't think that you are one who sets out to solve problems unless it's you know handed to you on a silver platter and like your mom and dad gave you everything. Is she literally left?

SPEAKER_05

It is like the 1920s. She left her parents' house to go live with him. Like, I mean, there's the her parents were footing the bill, and then he was.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So what do we see for the future? What do we see for the future? They better get fucking hitched.

SPEAKER_01

Are you kidding? Y'all better be at the courthouse right fucking now.

SPEAKER_05

The other thing to me is like, for me, if I'm Amanda, even though I have no self-esteem or self-respect, you better believe I'm gonna fucking fake it. Fake it. You know? Do you just come out and act like cards on the table? I'm a fucking loser. That's what she's saying. Is I'm a loser. But anyways, yes, back to your point. What is happening? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

I think I don't know. Does the city of the city?

SPEAKER_04

Do they do they have West saying that?

SPEAKER_01

I think they're everyone filming. They already filmed the city didn't make it out after this. All three of y'all better show up and clock in. If you're gonna make it public, give us one goddamn season. All y'all do get out on my screen. Okay, while it's it on my app. She means business in my fucking living room.

SPEAKER_05

She sure does. She means business. I'm here for it. I love it.

SPEAKER_01

No, if if if I get a statement that I'm leaving XXX after the oh I I let you out.

SPEAKER_04

No, uh uh one more day.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. I mean, we had to watch, we had to watch the worst, worst breakup, and not worst in the way of like saddest, but the stupidest, most unsatisfying breakup ever already on the show was between Kyle and Lindsay. You know, like this is real. This is real shit here.

SPEAKER_04

Carl, yes, when did Kyle and Lindsay do season?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, oh that season did you? That I need to see. That I need to see.

SPEAKER_04

But yeah, I mean that's Carl and Lindsay.

SPEAKER_05

That was I don't think that was maybe ever real.

SPEAKER_01

You know that there is a group chat right now that does not have Kyle, Amanda, Sierra, and West in it that is like just popping off. Like, I want to be in that one.

SPEAKER_02

I think I think Kyle's in that one.

SPEAKER_01

I just like it would love to see one where nobody, none of the parties that are involved are in it. Like, you know, they must be just just flapping jaws in there.

SPEAKER_04

Lie on the wall of that group chat. My God.

SPEAKER_05

I think the next, I think the next person we hear from is gonna be Lindsay because we know she can't stay out of this, right? You know, she's gotta get her 15 minutes. She's gonna, we're gonna hear from her next.

SPEAKER_01

And I love that.

SPEAKER_05

That's why we've already seen pictures of her and Sierra together, you know. Like she's already posing herself as Mother Hubbard.

SPEAKER_01

I think the next thing is that we'll see Paige post a picture with Sierra, like nothing to say, but I think that she will in solidarity post with her. I think a lot of the cast would follow that in suit. Maybe no words, but like you can just take away from what's being posted. I uh my like tummy hurts thinking about the reunion because I'm just so excited. Like, uh, that'll be Christmas morning for me.

SPEAKER_03

That feels like stream that yeah. Oh my god, my god, we need a watch party.

SPEAKER_01

You know that like they oh my god, I just this is like the wet dream of those producers over there.

SPEAKER_05

Oh yeah, they're all just like cannot get coming in their pants a hundred percent. But I will say, just to you know, tinfoil hat back on. Perfect, all of them posting pictures of themselves this week being like, huh, huh? You know, like Carl and Lindsay and all of them. That's the only thing that's still giving me pause that this could be an April Fool's.

SPEAKER_01

I okay, so I can understand a world where it could be PR. I and I thought that at first. I was like, in the city, maybe this is their maybe they're announcing the like release date soon or a trailer or something, and that was what I thought. But then I saw a really good take on it. And then that was do you guys really think Sierra would subject herself to this level of like public humiliation for a PR front? That's true. And do you think Amanda, the most fragile person on that cast, would subject herself to this level of like hate? Yeah. Um so that I do agree with. But again, if there's like big money involved, I would do it for a check. So and to be fair, Sierra just about the couple of heroes. Let me pass.

SPEAKER_04

Say something, say something. And that was like the only way they could say something without saying something. That's what I'm saying. And they all just were like it just was dominoes. Like once one did it, then they were like, okay, like releasing the pressure valve a little bit.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. Let me just say I'm an accountant, I'm risk averse, so I'm hedging my bets and saying it's not out of the realm of possibility. Okay. Yeah, it's not gonna cover all the bases.

SPEAKER_04

You have to come back to reality.

SPEAKER_05

I I don't think it is. I don't think it is. I just want to go on the record so that if it is, I can say, aha.

SPEAKER_01

Well, if it is, if it is, you can't post this episode. I was so mean.

SPEAKER_04

No, no, we have the please. Like uh we have episodes for every different timeline of this situation. We really do.

SPEAKER_05

We've already we had like three breaking newses already for the Mormon wives.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, the only reason I don't think another reason why I don't think that it is an April Fool's joke is because how many, like, how many weird tips and hints did we hear about going upwards? Like just I heard this in a bar or like I was sitting behind in different two, like New York, Austin, like different, yeah, not all just in your city. Wouldn't be a PR done. Where like I think on Mormon Wives, like the the the Jesse kissing, chasing, like that to me, I think is like to get the show out of the city.

SPEAKER_05

Right, right. They did it like on front of a bunch of people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, for that I think it's them basically being like, this is to get people to be like, Hulu, you need to pick up the cameras. And basically she's like, we don't need Taylor Frankie Paul, which to be fair, you don't need Taylor Frankie Paul.

SPEAKER_05

They don't need Taylor Paul. No, however, they should release The Bachelorette.

SPEAKER_01

100%. Re release the Bachelorette files. No one's really talking about it anymore. Release the bachelor. And then I thought, I did have a take on this the other day that my friends told me I shouldn't spread publicly, but why not do it anyways? That maybe Amanda and West, this was all just a ruse to distract us from the Epstein files because they are mentioned.

SPEAKER_05

You know? That I know it. We're hedging our butt, we're hedging our butts, you know, and our butts.

SPEAKER_01

There's no proof that they were not on Little St. James. So I just think it's important. It's true.

SPEAKER_05

Yep. I hope they weren't because they would have been children, but you know. Right. You never know. It's dark today's world. So that's a dark take. That's darker take than we usually have, but it takes all kinds, you know.

SPEAKER_04

I think Epstein or bin Laden were gonna enter this episode, but here we are.

SPEAKER_05

Here we are.

SPEAKER_01

Here's it's always gonna end up back at Epstein, like honestly.

SPEAKER_05

Always always. No, we will not we will not let anybody forget about it. Nope. No, we still haven't released all the time.

SPEAKER_01

So Amanda Less for trying, great for trying to distract me. You too, Taylor Freddy Paul. Yeah. And this is all a ledger, by the way. Please don't sue me. I there's nothing for you to take if you do sue me.

SPEAKER_05

Like we're women with anxiety. All right, we can multitask. We could focus on two things.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, I look forward to seeing how this unfolds. I look forward to seeing, I don't think like anybody, I can't see where the people like release a statement because they're not involved. The only one I could see releasing a statement is either Sierra or Kyle. I don't think Sierra would release a statement other than like I'm seeing your work guys, love you or something. Oh yeah, Kyle will.

SPEAKER_04

Kyle will.

SPEAKER_01

He wants the attention, he wants the love and and do you think it's weird that he was like, he has, I guess maybe if yeah, you're right, if there's a gag order in place, like he can't say anything. But I think it's crazy that he's been on Watch What Happens Live and like he even posted that apology to Amanda about the way he spoke, and like which I guess two separate, you know, two incidences, but like I would have taken him as the first one to like throw shade and throw them under the bus.

SPEAKER_05

Like that was another reason that I wasn't sure about it because I'm like, he was sort of laughing on Watch What Happens Live. He's like, She's single, she can do what she wants. I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_04

Well, that's what's confusing me. Is like, did Andy Cohen know? And they were like, this is how we're going to like shoo shoe the rumors. Did Andy Cohen not know? And then after that, was like, wait, so you guys were actually hooking up? Like, what that perplexes me that that was.

SPEAKER_01

The problem with Soto is that they are unreliable at this point because like we see how much they pull strings behind the scenes and it makes things feel like inauthentic. That's why, like, I struggle with Salt Lake City a lot of the time, because to me, I always feel like especially Heather Gay, like you're very much you know, playing this up, yeah, for the audience. And it's like that's why I struggle a little bit with this. But at the same time, I'm like, would they really make these two like fall on the sword who already like fall on the sword so badly, especially West, like twice?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and yeah, as like a PR stunt, like would he?

SPEAKER_02

I don't think West would do that.

SPEAKER_01

I think West barely recovered from his last fall. It's a PR stunt, like you would you would play more into the angle like leading up into the trailer, right? Like into the trailer of in the city or whatever. I think you'd play more into the angle, but I don't think you'd have anybody come out and be like, yeah, we're fucking like that's true.

SPEAKER_05

That's true. I think the statements, the joint statements are pretty damning.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because it's so embarrassing to me.

SPEAKER_05

It's so embarrassing.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god. I just think about like any of the men I used to be in situationships with, I I I wouldn't even like take a picture with them. Okay, like let alone the time I name Amanda has a million followers. Horrifying.

SPEAKER_04

And it's like it's my whole thing.

SPEAKER_05

But also, like, yeah, think about think about this. Like, I it is so easy not to put yourself in a situation to catch feelings for somebody. It's extremely easy. People do it every single day. I've been married, I've been with my spouse for 20 years now, and I I've been able to manage to to sidestep it somehow. You know, like particularly yeah, particularly with the coworker. Like, no, you don't need to see what you're feeling, you need to back the fuck off from each other.

SPEAKER_01

You know, like yeah, this is not something like we can't control our feelings. No, like I'm sorry, no, this is stupid. Okay, you had the opportunity to be the hero.

SPEAKER_04

We have updates from the hour we've been recording. Oh no. So Lindsay Hubbard posts that new publices with Alex from the from Love is Blind. Mia posted a fucking gorgeous picture of Sierra with the song Dojo Cat Gorgeous on her stories. Vanita from Southern Charm posted, imagine making a statement, hard launching a connection, and not even considering apologizing to the person you hurt, but I guess that tracks. Clock and posted a hot picture of Sierra with a I love you. Kelly Justin Dillard. I don't know who that is. I love my big sister. That's KJ. I love my big sisters for life with a picture of Mia and Sierra. I love him so much.

SPEAKER_01

I love KJ, KJ for like lifelong summer house cast member. I I can't I cannot get enough of him.

SPEAKER_04

And then Dumas just posted a picture someone took of Sierra crouched on the ground in New York crying, saying Sierra spotted a meat packing district right when Amanda and Wes posted confirmation of their relationship.

SPEAKER_05

Shut up. I oh you're not gonna be able to see my stupid phone. Send it on Instagram, send it on Instagram. Do you see it? Uh-uh. Send it on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01

Kind of, but not enough. Shut up. Wait, my friends just sent that to like I got the notification I was I was on the call and I didn't even look at it, and they're like, no way that's real.

SPEAKER_04

Wait, it's like I got like a look like a producer guy like hovering over her.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, cameras better be funny.

SPEAKER_04

Sending it to you right now. Holy shit. Holy shit. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my gosh, I was trying to explain this to Stratton, my boyfriend, last night, and I was like, I know you don't care, but like I was like, I just have to explain this to somebody, and I kept telling him about it, and I was like, it's just the craziest thing going on right now. And he was like, Well, I'm happy you have something to look forward to. I was like, you have no idea. Of course. This week has been an embarrassment.

SPEAKER_05

Embarrassment of riches. 100%. Oh my god. Twinning. Twinning. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01

I did not say something embarrassing. I DM'd Sierra and I was like thinking of you, sending you all the love. Like, I sent her a very inspirational DM. I won't lie. Messenger from your podcast.

SPEAKER_05

I'm gonna message from the podcast. I'm gonna message me like we love you. Listen to this episode. Listen to this. Listen to visual tree watch.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I literally sent like a I sent an inspiring message that was like three or four lines long. I was like, Oh my god. I love you.

SPEAKER_04

It's 9 30 at night. Oh, I'm not gonna sleep. I can't go to sleep.

SPEAKER_01

How could you? No, like how am I supposed to do anything else? How am I supposed to people in comments on like some of the Bravo posts are like I have to take a PTO day?

SPEAKER_05

Like I know. I uh that's all I want to do is get off the phone with you two and go start reading comments.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god. They better both have turned their fucking phones off and like chuck them in the Hudson. Oh my god, I know.

SPEAKER_05

I'm definitely in the where they are right now and what they're doing. Like, oh my god, I would have a bad fucking day. I hope they're having the worst fucking day of their lives.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, if it was me, I would fly to North Korea where there is no. Television and no one knows who I am. That's what I would do. I would be I would be in the DMZ, like goodbye.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. And then I would come to the DMZ.

SPEAKER_01

No, I would come back like after like the Epstein files have been released and people are finally talking about something else. No, you would not hear from me.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Well, I don't think you just come back from North Korea, but yeah, I take your point. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna go on a wellness retreat to North Korea.

SPEAKER_05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Words that have never been uttered in history.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Yeah. A new tank on a deprivation tank.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

This podcast.

SPEAKER_01

This podcast is creating firsts for us all. I yeah. I have I can't wait to see this unfold. And it better be unfolding on my TV. And it better be quick.

unknown

I know.

SPEAKER_04

I want to draw now. I just want to relish in this for as long as we can.

SPEAKER_01

What was the timeline with Scandavol? Like when did we get that?

SPEAKER_05

We got that like midway through the season. Midway through the season. And then they pick cameras back up.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I would like to do that. Like they had just stopped filming.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What's like the turnaround of that?

SPEAKER_05

I don't know, but they had just stopped filming and it was like, and we were we were midway through the season. We had like four or five more episodes. Yeah. And then they picked up cameras and we got those last few and then we had the reunion. Yes. And it was similar a few weeks later. Well, not similar because they've been done filming, but they hadn't filmed the reunion yet. Yes.

SPEAKER_01

But it was very fresh, and they were able to tackle that episode and correctly.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

They have the chance to do it here. And I'd like to think that they would. Because you remember with the. I don't think they're going to do that. Oh, they have to. Oh, they have to. Oh, with Paige and Craig.

SPEAKER_04

They picked up the cameras. And we got the. Oh my god. They should. They have to.

SPEAKER_01

Page and Craig. Paige and Craig announced and and and Carl and Lindsay.

SPEAKER_05

Remember the they Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. You're right.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I'm going to DM Bravo and just let them know. Like, let them know. I've tagged them in so many posts on these things that I said at Bravo TV. If cameras aren't up, like I will sue. You will hear my screams. Everybody. I will be picketing.

SPEAKER_05

Like mental distress. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Forget the No Kings march.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Well, don't forget about it. Maybe this one's on the back burner right now. This one's a yeah, that one's. We are not going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04

This one's gonna be better.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, if they don't hold cameras. I I feel so bad for people who don't keep up with pop culture and strangers on TV and the internet.

SPEAKER_04

What have you been doing all this March? Your life must be so empty. Are you watching the news? God, yeah, it's much more terrifying. Only this news. Only watch this news.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you're talking to your friends, you're succeeding, you're achieving your dreams. Yeah. No, no, no. Not in this house.

SPEAKER_04

On this economy. No, no, not on this podcast. No. No, ma'am.

SPEAKER_01

Well, Katie, we can't thank you not popping out immediately. Thank you for giving me this.

SPEAKER_05

We may need you back depending on what breaks, you know, again. I'm always around. Just be ready. Yeah. Be ready on standby. Yeah. Because we might have to pick up, pick up the mics and the cameras and just get back to the case.

SPEAKER_01

We need to be like Bravo and pick up cameras immediately.

SPEAKER_05

Exactly. We're ready. Yeah. We will never shirk our duties.

SPEAKER_01

Always a pleasure to sit here and talk shit with you guys for an hour. Amazing. That's just what life's about. And yeah, I guess we'll just we'll keep each other in the loop.

unknown

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we'll keep our finger on the pulse. And Sierra, I know you're listening to this, and just know we're thinking of you, girl.

SPEAKER_05

Nothing but you were a queen before this, and you'll be a queen after this. Yes.

SPEAKER_04

I wouldn't do the Gen Z one. I can't. This is no, I can't. I can't do that.

SPEAKER_01

Always a pleasure. We will keep each other in the world.

SPEAKER_04

Nothing but love for Sierra. Nothing but hate for Amanda and West. Nothing but hate for bin Laden. Nothing but hate for Epstein. Nothing but hate for Lupus. North Korea.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Nothing but hate for it. Just know like we have not forgotten about the files, even though West and Amanda are trying to divert. They're trying, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Yeah. They work hard, but we work harder.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And we will once remain a voice for the voiceless. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04

On that note, signing off. Bye-bye. Bye, everybody. Good work. Bye. Bye-bye. It's a kiki cat up.

unknown

It's a kicky cat up.