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EP 3: Lauren Ammon on Human Design For High Achievers: Decisions, Energy, And Deconditioning

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Episode 3: Human Design, Frequency, and the Decisions Your Body Already Knows

with Lauren Ammon

What if your best decisions aren’t made in your head?

In this episode of The Underlayer, I sit down with Human Design coach and practitioner Lauren Ammon to explore a simple, liberating shift: your body already knows the truth, your mind is just louder.

We go beneath the surface of Human Design to break down how your energy is meant to move through the world, where friction begins, and why most people spend years overriding the signals that would make life feel easier, lighter, and more aligned.


You’ll hear:

• The 4 Human Design types—Generators, Manifesting Generators, Projectors, and Manifestors, and what each is built to do
 • Why authority matters more than mindset, and how your body gives you a clean yes/no
 • How the 5/1 profile carries projection and pressure to “fix” everything
 • The truth about conditioning: career paths, marriage expectations, success scripts, and where they drain your energy
 • How to spot the difference between a true response and a mind-made plan
 • Practical ways to decondition without blowing up your entire life


By the end, you’ll understand how to trust your design, follow your authority, and make decisions that feel aligned, not forced.


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Lauren's website: https://www.performancereimagined.com/

Lauren's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenammon/



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SPEAKER_00:

You are listening to episode three of the underlayer, where the real story lives. I'm your host, David Young, and in each episode we explore what's beneath the surface, the ideas, experiences, and insights that shape how we find clarity, alignment, and energy in our lives. Today we are taking a deep dive into human design with my guest, Lauren Ammon. Lauren is an executive coach and human design expert who helps high-achieving professionals understand how their energy is designed to work so they can lead, create, and live from their true frequency and not what they've been conditioned to chase. She brings a rare depth of practicality to her work, drawing on years of corporate leadership and HR resources and her background in professional coaching to help people bridge awareness into action. And through her company, Performance Reimagine, Lauren's guides high achievers back to the power that comes from fully being themselves and models that every day now she leads, lives, and shows up. Lauren, great to see you again. Thanks for coming on.

SPEAKER_03:

Thanks, Brent. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. So uh when I think human design, I always think you first. Um yay. And I got introduced to it before I think I knew I met you, but then you uh entran entrenched yourself as like the human design person. It's a good good marketing and branding on your part.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, well, thank you. Sometimes I feel like it's a real struggle.

SPEAKER_00:

Um what? So just for people out there who might not know what human design is or are loosely aware of it, just high high level, like what is it?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So it's a modality. It's not necessarily the modality, but it is the modality that I've really um been drawn to. It it's think of it as um your roadmap. We were all born on this earth to hold a certain frequency. And I know a lot of people out there think that's very woo, but think about it this way. We all believe in Wi-Fi, there's airwaves going on around us all the time. Things work through frequencies, so it's kind of the same thing. It's really the understanding of how your energy is designed to be worked. Uh, it also is a roadmap of how you make decisions because we've all been conditioned, we've all been raised to believe that it's our minds that are here to help us make decisions, which is absolutely not true if you believe in the world of human design. Uh, it's actually our bodies. Our bodies actually respond to what goes around us far quicker than our minds do. It takes our minds uh a little bit longer to catch up, but uh, it's about how you approach the world and how you're here to make decisions. That's simply exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I like that. It's it's simple and easy to understand. That's interesting you bring that up about uh the decision making and the mind versus the body, because I was just talking about this the other day. For most of my adult life, I don't think I ever thought about like how I felt on a decision. Now I'm mostly talking about career decisions. Um, but I made almost all of them for my head, like logical, analytical, weigh all the pros and cons, and then just do it. And and even in the ones where it didn't feel aligned at all, my my instinct, intuition, gut, whatever you want to call it, was like 100% no, I rationalized it. It's a it's incredible when I look back on it. I'm like blown away of how many times that I ran the same play and mostly got the same results. No surprise.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and think about it, right? What's what's the definition of insanity? It's trying to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

SPEAKER_02:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And and I and that's like the most excellent case study for human design is to say that when we make decisions with our minds, they tend to bring a lot more resistance and stress than we are intended to have.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And they are all time. So we will replay those decisions over and over and over, and they will haunt us forever. Um, but you're right. I mean, that's I think we can all go back in our lives and think of examples, quite a few of them, of when our bodies knew and we were like, no, no, no, no, but that's not how we're supposed to make decisions. It's it's what this is telling me up here.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and the other thing too is I really allowed outside influence of people that really did not know, like had very limited insight. Like I I weighed I allowed that I I gave their input like so much weight. Um and I I think back on that I'm like, but they didn't know anything. Not not their fault. Like they had very their view was so small that their input should have bit meant virtually nothing. And I'm I'm putting it like close to the top of so and so said this. So like, wow, that's great. It should have been like so-and-so doesn't know anything. Like it's irrelevant. It's like so I I don't like one of the jobs that I took, uh, which was like a big promotion and the title and the money and everything, and like the whole time I was like, I don't think like I don't think this is a good idea. But everyone, everyone was like, oh no, this is it. Like this, like you gotta like this is what you've been working for, and you know, your masters and the work you've done, and like you've been in the company for a while, and like this, like this the payoff is this job. I was like, I don't know. Thirty seconds after I the day I started, thirty seconds, I knew it was wrong. Literally sat literally sat down, the woman that was training me, and I was like, Nope, wrong, 100% wrong. I even walked down to like we got a break. The first break, I walked down to my boss's office, I was like, this isn't gonna work. He was like, it's like been like a minute. I was like, it's not gonna work. So I did that for 18 months.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And that's another way to describe human design, is it's also a modality that allows you the opportunity to understand how your energy works so that you can trust your own decisions. Yeah. Is because we are so ingrained, we are so conditioned to look outside of ourselves for all these answers, and that everybody around us is so much smarter or so much more successful or so much more whatever. And so we just convince ourselves, oh, but their input means so much more than mine, because I, for whatever reason, I can't trust that what I feel in my body is enough to say no. But we also know it immediately. Just like you said, I walked in 30 seconds and I knew like we are way smarter than we give ourselves credit for. And by smart, I mean more in more innately intelligent, not mentally intelligent, but innately intelligent. And we just somehow forget how to trust ourselves because we were raised. And I and I I mean no blame, but like our parents had no idea what the hell they were doing in terms of raising us through our energy, nor did teachers, nor did coaches, nor did whatever. We've all been just conditioned to believe, let's follow this path because it's what I quote unquote should do, versus going off the beaten path, even when people are like, oh, I don't think so. I was like, Well, you don't carry what I know, even if I don't know what I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, no, well, I mean, uh, I'm a little bit older than you, but it's close enough where we had similar societal programming of go to school, get a job, grind it out forever.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Hope to save enough money, retire in your mid to late 60s, hope your health is good, then live your life, then those last 10 plus years. Hopefully your your health holds up then to you, and then die. Like, that's what I was basically that's what someone presented to me, and I was like, okay. Like, that sounds good, terrible, the worst idea ever. Everybody else is doing it. I might as well do it too. Like, never now I know because I'm older and like the internet was around, but it's not like it is today. There was no social media, uh, YouTube was not a thing. So I mean, there's a lot of ways to make money now that did not exist then. So like fine. But still, like I didn't I just didn't even question it. I was just like, oh, okay, yeah, I'll go to school. Then I majored in something I didn't want to major in. Then I got a job I didn't want to get. And then I just kept doing it. And it's like, it's insane. It was crazy. Like I look back on it, I'm like, I just can't even believe I did it. And I did it over and over. It's just, it's not, but I think so much of that is what you're talking about with just like parents, society, schools, this rigid, like follow this path because everyone's following that path. So you have to follow it too. And then you just, it's a little bit like sheet mentality, and you're just like, okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. It's it's funny you say this because I started reading the book Curiosity. Somebody, uh, a friend of mine, Don Pateau, recommended it on LinkedIn. Uh, and it's all about how to foster curiosity, not just professionally, uh, but personally. And it was like, what is the opposite of con of uh curiosity? And in the book, he's like, it's boredom, it's following along. It's like the opposite of curiosity is conformity.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And that we all get You don't question. Yeah, and you all get so lost in the homogenation. And that's another tenet of human design. It's like, how do you get yourself out of the homogenization and just recognize that you are here to hold a very specific frequency and allow others to hold a very specific frequency and coexist without you know, bitching at one another. I mean, bitch at one another, we can all disagree, but without being like, you're wrong because you hold this frequency versus the frequency that I hold.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, yeah, and I think I mean that's I I've never thought about that with conformity being the opposite of curiosity. That's a really interesting um that's an interesting concept that I need to spend some time with. But it may I mean it makes sense, right? Yeah. Um because I didn't quite I did not question at all. Um and and even now, you know, a couple years ago when I kind of started on this a little bit different path with LinkedIn and you know, quitting a job and trying an online business and whatnot, um it's mostly met with resistance. Um, which again is not their fault. Like I I'm not this is the blame. But most people, even to your when they're saying to their faces they're like, oh, that's great, like good luck. Like you can just tell they're like, that'll never work. Um like you will have to go back to work. You you can only make money with a W-2 job. You have to have benefits, you have to have a boss, you have to work at a company. Um, because that's what most people do, and there's nothing wrong with that for a lot of people, but for some people, it doesn't work, and there's no I mean it's getting a little bit better, I guess, but because enough people are doing it, but there's not a lot of acceptance. Um, because it still seems, even as we quickly approach 2026, like that's not gonna like that's not really sustainable. Like you cannot make money, you cannot pay your bills. It's nuts.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I have someone very close to me, and I will I will keep their identity uh behind the scenes, uh, even just I don't know, maybe like six months ago. It's like, how are you gonna make this work? And I've been doing this for five years now. Yeah, and it's kind of like well, I I want to make it work. So that's how I'm gonna make it work.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. And and you know, someone so close to me and and the and and and someone in my life who in my mind is there to create and foster support. It's like at every turn is tearing it down and because they just can't understand it. And it's like I know this person's energy, I know this person's human design, so I can look at it objectively and say, okay, I I can see why they don't understand and why this is such a huge holy shit moment for them for me, but at the same time that it's my life. You gotta let me live it and support it, even if you can't necessarily truly understand it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's hard. That's hard for a lot of people to do, and you have the unique insight because of the human design uh aspect. But if you don't have that, then it just seems like like your friend is just like fuck off. Like they're just they're just telling you like double middle finger, like you don't know what you're doing, you're crazy, it'll never work. Um whatever, you'll fail. Like it's just like that's not I don't want I don't want to hear that from you. Um what so let's let's get into then so human design there are and you you can talk about this better than I can, but there's different so like I'm a manifesting generator. Like how many of those titles or descriptors, like how many can people be?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, there's four different types, what we call them. Uh so one is a manifester. Those are those are those who are here to initiate and create impact in the world. Now, most of us are conditioned to be initiators or or to be manifestors, to run after everything, create action, do all the things. Uh, this the second type, or doesn't necessarily, there's no particular order, uh, are generators that I'm a pure generator, you're a manifesting generator. We both fall into the the generator type, so to speak. Uh, I will say anybody out there who tells you there's two, four. Yeah. Anybody out there who tells you there are five types, they are incorrect. There are only four. Manifesting generators and generators live in the same world. Uh, projectors, uh, those who are here to be invited. So generators, we are here to respond to life. Projectors are here to be invited, and reflectors are here to tell us what the hell is going on in the world. They are here to be a part of the environment and to be the canaries in the coal mine that say, uh oh, wait a minute, this isn't working, and to follow their lunar cycle, uh, which makes them a bit different than everybody else, but they only make up about 1% of the world, but they are some of the most beautiful people in terms of energy in this world that I've been able to meet.

SPEAKER_00:

So interesting. So that's that was gonna be my next question is their what's the split? So reflectors, it sounds like is quite rare. Um are like manifestors generators, typically the majority.

SPEAKER_03:

No, so actually, generators are the majority. We make up about 70% of the world, uh, and we carry the life force. We are the ones who carry the energy of life throughout the world. So we are 70% of the world. Projectors are 20% of the world, manifestors are about eight to nine percent of the world. So they are fairly rare as well. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, and can you be any combination? Like, can you could you be a manifesting reflector or a generating projector?

SPEAKER_03:

Nope. No, no, you are either a manifestor, a generator. The only one that's quote unquote mixed is a manifesting generator. And you are a projector or you are a reflector.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. Interesting. Um so what so for mine as a manifesting generator, like what is that? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. So you as a manifesting generator, your your general approach to life is you are here to respond.

SPEAKER_02:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

So when it but you're only here to respond in making decisions. If there is nothing to respond to, you have no decision to make, if that makes sense. Right. So kind of going back to our mental world, the way we run the world, right? Is that we have this idea, we think we want something. And so as a as a generator, regardless if you're manifesting or pure, you go running after that. And then you immediately get into it. To your point, you're like, no, I this is not anything I want to do. So the difference between a pure generator like me and a manifesting generator like you is that once you've responded, you have a little bit more spontaneous or instantaneous energy to go make that thing happen. Whereas I require a bit more like oomph, whether it's another person or whether it's just certain circumstances for me to then go into action.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you think that helps explain why I've had so many things, again, mostly talking career here, where I've stayed with jobs for just like an enormous amount of time that never worked?

SPEAKER_03:

Yes and no. Like as manifesting generators, particularly your specific design, you're here to be busy. Right? You're you it to be uh pivotal, like you know, moving from one thing to the next isn't necessarily incorrect for you. It's just a matter of knowing, of not giving your energy away to so much, because that's what we generators can tend to do, is that we innately know we have a lot of energy and we tend to be the ones, I'll say it, whores, and we just give it away. We're just like, you know, spreading it everywhere. And so for manifesting generators, you can get caught in that cycle of thinking that you can go initiate because you have so much energy and you can move quickly. And that's oftentimes most a lot of manifesting generators will be like, I'm going here and then here and then here and then here and then here. And it's kind of a whirlwind, but that's not necessarily incorrect. You just have a lot of energy. You just need to make sure that you're giving it to the right things.

SPEAKER_00:

Interesting. Um, yeah, I didn't think about that more. I've just I don't I try not to do it anymore, but I've I've just stayed stayed in places where you're just like, I know that this will never work, but it's like I'm just gonna keep grinding it out because maybe something will change, or I'll figure it out, or they'll figure it out, or we'll figure it out together. And it's like that typically does not happen, and then it's eventually gonna end.

SPEAKER_03:

Um if if I may if I interject there, we as generators have to give our energy to something. It is correct for us to give our energy to something, we have to use it every day, or else we're not healthy, quote unquote. And so as generators, what we will condition ourselves to believe is I'll stay here because at least I can give my energy to something. But then what happens is that you know, we'll grind our way through an eight to ten hour day, and then we'll go do something after work that actually lights us up for another like two or three, four hours simply just to give our energy to something that we actually like. Yeah, but we will grind ourselves to a pulp.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yes, been there, done that. Um don't recommend zero out of ten. Um, so I then am a five-one manifesting generator. So talk about what those numbers, what's the five-one? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So that is your profile. So when we talk, when you think about your profile in human design, think of it like your costume, like the thing that as you continue to operate more correctly, so we'll just keep it very simple for you for responding to life and then entering into action versus initiating, that the more correctly you operate in your manifesting generator energy, that five one will start to fit like a glove. So for people who are five ones, um you uh look, let's look at it at the five side. You're very practical, you're very pragmatic, you are problem solvers, uh, you're also heretics. You're also here to say, like, hey guys.

SPEAKER_00:

That doesn't sound good.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, that's the thing. Every profile has the light in the dark, the yin and the yang. Uh not necessarily in the traditional sense, but like every profile has its like what some would perceive as negative. They're not negative, it's just a spectrum of energy. You're here to universalize solutions to the world. That's what fives are here to do, and to do it kind of in a heretic way. Now, the things with fives is that everybody is projecting on a five. They don't know that they're projecting on a five, but when energetically, David, when you walk into a room, people get the sense, oh, he's here to save our he's here to solve our problems. He's our savior, he'll figure it out for us. And so fives can feel, I don't, I don't know if you feel this way, but you can feel um paranoid a little bit sometimes. You can be skeptical of other people, of like, oh, wait a minute here, uh, just because I may have something doesn't necessarily that I have all the solutions. And then you've got your one side. Your one is the unconscious side. Your one helps build a foundation. Um, you can be very investigative, and I think you've even talked a lot about this on your posts, is that when you something gets to you, you'll dig in because you want to understand. And it's just this unconscious energy for you energy for you of building that foundation. Now, ones, I'm a one consciously. We can be insecure, and I mean insecure in terms of standing on a foundation, not necessarily kind of in the traditional sense that when we're not standing on secure foundations, we either won't speak up, uh, we'll be like, uh, well, I don't, I don't know. But think about it in the five-one. If people are projecting on you that you've got all the answers, and you've got this unconscious side of you that's like, well, I don't know if I necessarily have the answer, or I don't know if the foundation is strong enough for me to stand on, right? What can happen sometimes is that you, let's combine it with your manifesting generator, you can feel this urge, this pressure to have the answers. And when you don't necessarily have the answers that people are expecting of you to have because you have no idea what the hell they're expecting of you, that's when your quote unquote reputation can come under scrutiny because it's like, well, David was here to be my savior and he didn't give me what I want. So then now I don't know that I can come to him for any answers. And then you're one line's like, well, I thought I had a solid foundation. Well, maybe I need to go investigate a little bit more. And it's just kind of this revolving door of, well, what do I do? But none of it is incorrect. That's the thing. Like our profiles are the things for most of us that create this inner tension because one side wants one thing, your unconscious, your body wants one thing, and the other side, your personality, what you think you know about yourself or your mind wants another. And that's where I'll be I'll be honest. Like when it comes to human design, a lot of times those things aren't talked about. A lot of people don't want to talk about the internal, innate tension that most of us carry around because it's hard to explain. Well, but it's also part of the human experience. Like tension happens. Shit happens.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, the whole like you would never want to go through stress-free or tension-free because that would be boring.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, yeah, you'd never grow.

SPEAKER_00:

Just like you'd never want you never want to win all the time, even though you you would think that you do, but you don't, because if you won, if you got everything you ever wanted all the time, then you would just take it for granted and you'd be bored. Like there has to be there has to be some resistance, you have to lose, you have to go through ups and downs in order to appreciate it, and that's just the way it is in in any literally any facet of life, whether it's sports or life or relationships or work, it doesn't matter. Um, but I think we forget that because we again uh like we we we've we're so comfortable now, right? Like our creature comforts are so high. Uh we have all of this technology, and then like when we when it's not, then you're like we've just gotten so comfortable, and you're like, oh, like I don't now this doesn't feel good. It's like, yeah, it's not supposed to. That's like the whole point. Um uh it's funny you mentioned I don't know the paranoid I'd have to think about. I don't that doesn't resonate. The skeptical resonates quite a bit because I'm skeptical of like almost everyone and everything all the time. Until you can prove that I shouldn't be, that's kind of like my default, like a coppery.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Well, again, it's part of the it's people are projecting on you, and you you're receiving this energy, whether you're conscious of it or not, of like what I don't I don't okay, back up. Keep let's just wait until you need me, kind of thing. Because you the best way for you to solve problems is in crisis mode. As fives are uh fives are great in crises, like come in, shits hit the fan, you provide your practical solutions that you've built based on your foundation, right? On your one. I'll give you all this because I've learned it, I've been through it, I've dug into it. All right, now I'm out. Your crisis is over, I'm gone. We're good.

SPEAKER_00:

Sounds like I should be a short-term project manager.

SPEAKER_03:

You know what's really funny is you say this is that your your personality sun gate, which maybe means nothing to you, when you talk about going in and starting new things, is the gate of beginnings. Like your light, the light you are here to shine into this world, the contribution you are here to make is beginnings.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's why I start books and never finish them. I'm good, I'm good to about page 60, and then I'm like, let's start another book. I literally have like 10 to 12 books right now that I'm on like page between 30 and 60. Because it seems like such a great idea, and I love the concept, and I read the first part of it, and I'm like, ah, this is pretty good. And then I'm like, nah, I don't read anymore. Um yeah, uh, that's funny. So yeah, I do like starting new projects. Uh, some some go well and get finished, a lot of them don't. Um the crisis thing is interesting. What so let's talk about uh we were talking about this a little bit before, uh, and the reason I'm asking these questions, you won't can't see this, but I have my chart, so I'm looking at my chart, so that's where I'm coming up with this. So it says, and so there's like uh definition and digestion, environment, uh authority. So for my environment, it says kitchens, which is really, really funny. And if my wife is listening, which she's not, and she won't, but on the off chance that she hears this, she will laugh out loud because she gives me such a hard time because I hate to cook and I will not cook. And if she goes out of town for three days, she thinks myself and my two boys are gonna starve to death, we will not consume any food, there will be literally 72 hours of nothing, and I'm like, we'll eat. We're good. Um, like we will survive, it's fine. Um, and she was like, but you don't make any food. I'm like, I know I hate it, I don't like the food preparation. Like, if she ever leaves me, factor is their business is going up. Invest in factor, because that's all I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna be prepaid meals, just send them to the door, I'll heat them up, and we'll eat them because I won't cook. So I think it's hilarious that my environment says kitchen. I don't know what it means, but I do think it's funny.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so that is actually really advanced knowledge. Uh, it's a whole nother class that I plan to take, but it's it's um up. So I'm gonna say something. I am not certified in this part of human design. I don't totally know exactly I'm not 100% sure. This is where my foundation is like, oh god, I'm gonna say something, and maybe it's not correct. So I'm gonna preface this with this. And if you know what kitchens means, please come on and tell us. But from what I understand, it has nothing to do with cooking, it's more about the gathering space. So think about some of the environments that you've done well in. And if I'm remembering correctly, kitchens is more about Well, you'd be a right arrow. So dry kitchens. Do you I'm gonna ask you this question. Do you do better when it's humid outside? What is that like for you?

SPEAKER_02:

I don't mind it.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. Again, this is more advanced, and I don't know a ton, but from what I understand that dry is you know, uh more arid kind of environments where there isn't a lot of humidity and there isn't a lot of moisture in the air, uh, might actually be the best environment for you.

SPEAKER_00:

I think I typically I mean I've only it has been a while since I've been in what I would consider like the desert or arid conditions. Um what's interesting is my skin and my breathing improves. Like I have dry skin. Um, but that is better. Again, I haven't spent a lot of time out there, but the few times I've been west, that hit that improves like almost instantly, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and I think that has something to do with it. So I'll give you just a little bit, like I'm valleys. So um I've done a little bit more research on valley, like really minimal research, but like when I'm in a space and I can just it's wide and it's expansive and I can see everything that's going on around me. Those are the environments I love. So if I go into an environment where it's very boxy, like let's say it's a house that's closed off and every room is its separate place, I can't have it.

SPEAKER_00:

No good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Or like the modern workplace where we're all sitting in a bullpen. I actually loved that because it was like I could just look around and just kind of like, what's going on? You know, but because I then I the last job I had, it was one of those environments where there's office spaces everywhere. And I felt like I was boxed in and I couldn't, I couldn't think. I couldn't. It was just so incredibly um claustrophobic almost for lack of a better term. But those are the sorts of things it's like there there are certain places our bodies are designed to be, because that's what it means. That that that's kind of what it's saying is like your body is designed to be in that kind of environment. And if you're in the correct environment, you actually then see what you're supposed to see, which helps your cognition and what you're here to think about. So it's all interconnected, but it's interesting to say that when you go out west, yeah, the problems that you have, your body responds more positively.

SPEAKER_00:

So that's what looks like that Vegas trip next year is gonna happen after all.

SPEAKER_03:

There you go.

SPEAKER_00:

Um Yeah, I think I I think Vegas last time would have been like 15 years ago. We used to get we used to take a regular trip to Vegas and um whatnot, but um interesting. Um so the so my authority says sacral. Is that does that have to do with like decision making?

SPEAKER_03:

Yep, that's exactly how you make your decisions. Your gut is telling you what to do.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, um that would make sense. Um strongest sense is smell. I think that one's interesting.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so what that kind of means too is that you you are your your splenic system is also defined, which means that um you have a consistent, reliable uh energy to fit to physically feel good, right? You're you you have you have a an active intuition, an active intuitive system. And because your spleen is defined as you can actually smell whether someone is correct for you. Have you ever kind of like noticed that? It's like not necessarily their actual smell, but you just kind of innately know, like, oh, this person is good for me, this person is healthy for me, or uh this person is That's really interesting.

SPEAKER_00:

I uh I have to tell the story in a roundabout way, but um you'll get the idea from what you just said. So I met someone, this is this was a real long time ago, and I instantly, I mean like two seconds was like no.

SPEAKER_02:

Like it's just no like hundred like without a doubt.

SPEAKER_00:

And I and I relayed this information and they were like, You're wrong. Like You m you misread it. And I was like I I'm I usually don't. Like I'm usually pretty good at this. Everyone totally discarded what what I said, which is fine. And it turned out, and and whatever. Uh involved for many years, ended very poorly. And I was like, I see, I told you in two seconds that this couldn't work. So that's interesting.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and actually what's really interesting for you, and this is what I love about human design, is that it's underseeing the nuances. And that's why I love working one-on-one with people to have these kind of conversations versus just sending you a report, and here's what you know, because that doesn't work. But your splenic system is uh connected to your sacral. So your intuition, your instinct is actually informing your gut response. So think of it that way your innate intelligence as a human instantaneously tells your sacral uh yes or no. And the yes or no is is this person, is this situation, is this thing, whatever's in front of you, are they healthy for you or not? And what's interesting is that I I'm the same way. Like I have the same, not exactly the same design, but some of the same instances. And I can I what I found through the years is I can be very what's what other people might perceive as superficial is because I make this decision in the moment like to you. Like I can make those decisions too, where it's like, oh no, nope, we're good here, not having anything to do with this. And then people are like, well, why are you being so quote unquote judgmental? Or why are you being why are you being so dismissive? Why don't you get depth? I'm like, because my body already knows, and I've learned to like really just kind of step into that. It's like, I'm not telling you you can't have this person in your life or do this thing. It's just like, nope, not for me. Yeah, but I may come back a day or two later, and that person could be totally fine. My body may re be may respond differently. That's why I say superficial, is that we can just kind of like bounce in and out of things, and that's not necessarily incorrect. It's just a different way of approaching the world.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, no, that resonates a lot. I I mean, a lot of people, if they don't know me, like I come across as a as cold because I'm not outwardly super friendly. I don't smile a lot, especially if I don't know you. And so they're they're like, what's wrong? What's up with him? And it's like he's an acquired taste. Um and he doesn't trust you, and he's skeptical, and he doesn't believe most of what you're getting ready to say. But I haven't said anything, it doesn't matter. And uh so you're it's gonna take a second. Like he really he has to he has to warm up. Like you're gonna have to prove it. Um, but because because what would happen is this happened more, like uh my wife's a teacher, and so we would go to like parties with other teachers, right? And that's just torture for me. I just don't do well in those environments. Um but some of the people then like I would see them enough and I'd get to know them, and they'd be like, Oh wow, like I really didn't like your husband when I first met him. Like he was so cold, like I thought he was such a prick. So, like once you get to know him, like he's not dead. And my wife was like, That's what I like, yeah. It takes a while, like it is not an instant, like he's not gonna come in and super warm, friendly, and happy, like right from the jump. Like, he just you're never gonna get that. Um, so it's similar, like, and I think you get that intuition where you're just like, yeah, no, it's not gonna work. This isn't gonna work.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. That's also your one line at work, too, is that ones behind the scenes, we're constantly always scanning other people.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

We're just kind of looking in and out. We can see them very quickly, and we can know whether we're whether we want to investigate further or not.

SPEAKER_00:

Which usually in my case it's not.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's fine, right? You know, it's it's being instantaneous, it's being uh kind of in the moment. But the thing is, those moments can change and you can be friendly and warm. Yeah, I've met you very friendly and warm when you want to be.

SPEAKER_00:

Again, acquired, acquired taste. I mean, there's it's I mean, it is different because it's uh I mean if I if I know, like, and trust you, then you get a totally different version of me than if I don't or we haven't spent enough time together. Like it just is almost night and day. Um it's just simply from my comfort level and what I know about you. And so like if I if we have enough rapport and I know enough about you and we spend enough time together and we're like on the same like wavelength, then then it's then it's totally different. And for the most part, then you'd be like, Oh yeah, he's fine, he's friendly, he's nice, whatever. But if it's not, then it's you you just don't get the same, you just don't get the same version. Um and that's historically like my whole life.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Actually, the the quote unquote founder of human design, uh, he was a 5-1. And he often said that if I'm skeptical and paranoid of other people, then I know I'm being correct. I know I'm acting correctly. Because it's my energy that's being I'm living in the correct energy and putting it out that if I'm skeptical of other people.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. That's comforting because I'm like that all the time. So I guess I'm doing it right. Um what what so if someone's out there, they're they're maybe again not super familiar with human design or they've heard about it, what's the best thing for them to do? Should they um like get there? Because it's pretty easy to get your chart. You put your like your birthday and where you were born, and there's some just real basic information that you plug in. And I think you can do that online probably a lot of places. And you can you can at least get the initial, I don't know how in depth it is, but you can at least get like your number or manifesting your generator, projector, reflector, whatever. So you can at least get that. Then like what would be like what should if someone's curious, then what should what would be like the next best step?

SPEAKER_03:

Talk to somebody, talk to an expert, right? A lot of times, um a lot of human design experts out there will say, like, here, I'll I'll create I'll create this hundred dollar report for you. And then they, you know, you they they give I've I've done this, I've I've I've bought a lot of reports, and you get the report and you're like, oh my god, yes. And then you're like, but what the hell do I actually do with this? Like, what is it that I do? So I'm I I steer clear of that because I'm like, those actually, if I go back and read all the reports that I've gotten, I'm kind of like, yeah, okay, that's great. It's kind of right, but it's not really right. And you're not necessarily really creating all the connections and the nuances between my design. And it's a lot to take in. So I recommend reaching out to somebody who can explain what this really means to you and keeping it on the surface, right? Of saying, here, start, just start with this. Start with your type and this is what it means, or start with your authority and this is what this means. And then if you want, then we can go down layer by layer by layer. Because that's the part that I love. I love giving the reading, I love giving the analysis, but it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, let me give that to you. Then we're gonna circle back for you to play with that for a little bit and then be like, okay, but what does that really mean? How does that actually go out in my life?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's uh I've definitely found it because I've had, I mean, you and I have done the reading, so I've done the reading and I've been I have some knowledge of it, but it's still like I would have a hard time. Like if if someone who knew nothing about it like asked me, like it would be very hard for me to explain. Like I it would come across as like, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Like, I really don't. I'm I'm just so this is cursory knowledge, I don't know. Um so it it is definitely like nuanced and layered, I think. And and you have even talked about the process to become like a human design expert is is like years and years. Like it is takes a long time to be a truly trained, dedicated, knowledgeable expert. Like this is not something you take a six-month crash course and you're like, yep, all set.

SPEAKER_03:

Um people people do.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, of course, because yes, of course, I mean, right, everyone's always trying to look for the the the cheat, the fast track, the the hack, whatever. But this is not that. Like I think there's like some, you know, there are other tests that just don't have this type of depth, and you probably could like in a pretty short period of time become like pretty knowledgeable, and then you could help people just be simply because of the nature of the test, uh, not right or wrong. This to me, this is not that, and it is simply just there's just a lot. There's just a lot more to it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. Yeah, I mean, I'm coming up on it's through a three and a half year process. I am almost there. I will be done at the end of March, right around my birthday. So it'll be like a nice little birthday present for myself.

SPEAKER_01:

Nice.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, it's been a it's been a long journey of not only understanding the information, but then using it in my life and going through my own deconditioning process. That's what we call it, of like you're what you're really doing is kind of like rewriting the energy that your cells use to approach the world. I mean, that's what you're doing. You're trying to like undo all of the patterns that you have been created over the years of conditioning, unraveling all of that so that you can approach the world and the frequency you were designed to approach the world at.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that makes sense. Is it have you noticed uh as you're three years plus in, has anything like really shifted like what you thought you knew about it in in studying and then you know going through it in your own life and then working with clients? Like, is there any is something you thought maybe you knew about it, and then after doing it enough times, you're like, you know what, this is different? Or maybe I misunderstood this.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I think it when you look to me, the most telling thing in your chart is everywhere where you're open. Because what you're doing is where you're open, you're absorbing the energy from the world. Like what is fixed and colored in and is defined for you. That that can't change. It is very narrowly fixed, it is exactly who you are. The thing that is that has really rocked my world, I guess, is my openness. So I understand. So I have an open, let me just talk about this. You and I both have an open solar plexus or emotional system. And logically, when I first learned that, it was like, oh yeah, you avoid confrontation and speaking your truth because the mechanics behind that is that we absorb all of the emotional energy from people around us. We feel emotions very heavily, very chaotically. We don't really know what to do with them. And so, like logically, I understood that. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah. I mean, I can see where I avoid confrontation. I don't talk about my truth and da-da-da-da-da. Well, the other thing about that is that those of us who are born emotionally undefined, we have carried emotions since the day we were born. We were carrying the emotions of everybody around us to be emotionally born. And I'll get I'll get very vulnerable and very personal here. It wasn't until I went through, made the decision to end my marriage that I realized how much emotion I have carried in my life. Buried it, pushed it down, didn't do a darn thing with it. And it was it was this weird, the moment that I spoke my truth and said I want to end this marriage, I have never felt so much emotion in my entire life. And I have felt that emotion coming up and coming out for the last, was it it's November? Really for the last nine months. And it was this very profound, holy shit, I've never really noticed how much emotion I just push aside, ignore, don't do anything with, just assume, hey, I'm strong enough to deal with it. I don't ever have to face it. And it's it's this weird, chaotic, but also very cathartic experience of like, yeah, logically I know that I'll avoid confrontation, logically, I'll know that I'll try never to feel anything. But actually the moment that I feel something, it teaches me so much of like don't try to rush to it. Just feel it. Sit with it, it's really uncomfortable. You may get really angry because you're feeling something, but eventually it will pass. And that's what it's that's what it's meant to do. And I've actually noticed that I'm much better now that I allow myself to feel when I'm taking on, let's say, my son's emotions. Because that don't happen a lot. Both my sons are emotionally defined, so it's like, oh Jesus Christ, like this is like emotions everywhere. But what I started to notice is that when I started to actually feel things of my own, or at least release all these emotions that I have, I'm like, oh I see that that's theirs versus what's mine. And it's this very it's this very useful barrier that I can create for myself.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, first thanks for sharing that. Um, because I know that it was not is not was not and is not easy. Um do you think then as uh with with the human design, with the carrying of emotions, literally, like you said, almost from like day one. Um so you had obviously like a lot of life prior to that, you carried all of that. Then you had the marriage and kids, and so you carried all that. Do you think it was you had this just like enormous uh I don't know what the right word is, um weight or this just like almost incalculable time of emotions that had just like accumulated?

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Like just over all of that time, and then at some point then it just became probably like to you, I'm I'm guessing you just got to the point where you're like, I this just ha I have to this just has to change. Like I just I literally can't, I cannot carry this anymore, or something to that effect.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, and actually people would come up to me afterwards, so uh feeling is very uncomfortable for me. I I like emotions that just to your point, sometimes that can be very cold. Like to my kids, sometimes when they're feeling something, I'm like, can we just get through this?

SPEAKER_02:

Like, let's just speed it up.

SPEAKER_03:

Let's let's let's just get through this. And but you know, after I went through all this, and yes, I felt better, right? I felt like, huh, okay, this weight is a little bit is gone a little bit. But people would come up to me and say, like, what has changed within you, Lauren? Like, what is going on? You look different, you you seem different, you're just exuding this level of energy that I've never seen from you before. And from my point of view, it was kind of like, yeah, okay, I dealt with something, but I I didn't think I looked different. I didn't think I felt too terribly different, if that makes sense. But it's what people were receiving from me. And I turned to one of my best friends, I was like, was I just a miserable sack of shit for the longest time? She's like, no, but I think what people were realizing is that you've done something to relieve yourself of whatever you were going through, and who they thought you were before was the normal Lauren. But you've gone through something and now they see you differently. I was like, oh, okay. But yeah, I can't tell you how many people in the last like six months have been like, have you done something different? Like, well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, yes.

SPEAKER_03:

Funny story.

SPEAKER_00:

Made it made a decision. Um redid all the hardwood floors. So um the uh yeah, I mean that's uh I mean obviously there's a lot there. Um, but I can imagine that it was like kind of simultaneously like excruciating and and difficult mixed with relief.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. It's this what I explained what I explained to somebody the other day is like this terrible sadness of going through it, but also this eternal gratefulness that it happened. And it it was this like you know, those of us who are emotionally undefined, we get to experience all the breath of emotions. Yeah, yes. Um, but if you're emotionally defined, you're very fixed in how you feel things. But for us, we get to experience the whole spectrum, and it's kind of like, oh, I get what it feels like to hear to carry two conflicting emotions at the same time of sadness and gratefulness or sadness and happiness, and you know, all these things, and it's kind of like, oh I see how that moves back and forth and in and out, and how we can get caught up in our emotions and how they can force us to make decisions that are not correct for us.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Um with with speaking that type of truth, which obviously is a big one, um have you found that you had others that you had been suppressing um that you maybe are thinking about speaking that truth to, or was this so big that it's just kind of overshadowed everything?

SPEAKER_03:

It's brought up other things that I've been carrying around for a really long time. You know, even back to the days of my family. Right now I can see a little bit more clearly the conditioning that my family created. And again, no blame, right? They're they're just living their own life, doing their own thing. But I can see the conditioning, I can see the emotions that I've carried for my family or or carried because of the things that happened in my family. Uh, and so I approached my relationships with my family very differently. Now, um, I'm I will always struggle. So, somebody who is emotionally undefined, I will always struggle to confront my truth. It will always be very, very uncomfortable for me. Uh, but I'm getting better at, okay, this is the one I want to address, this is one I can leave for a little bit.

SPEAKER_02:

Got it.

SPEAKER_03:

Um But I think again, it's like going back to the well, you know, when you get married, you stay married. I came from a very Catholic family. I imagine like the guilt I've carried around for so long because divorce, I come from a very conservative Catholic family. My parents still go to Latin Mass. Like, this is like pre-Vatican II Catholic family. Um, so the amount of guilt I carried around for not living the life that I was supposed to was very hard.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I yeah, I can imagine. Uh I saw nothing but divorce. So uh to me, nobody nobody stayed married. Like my parents got divorced after like two or three years I was born. Like they were married for like five or six total. Uh I have three, each of my parents have three siblings. Uh they were all divorced. They all got married, all got divorced. Um none of them were with their original uh partner. The only marriages that that's that I saw stay together were my both of my grandparents. Um so I just I was just like, oh, well, you just get you get married to get divorced. Like that's clearly that's clearly the the plan here. Like there is no there there is no long term. This is just like, yep, good for now. And uh and then we'll move it on, we'll move it along. Um so the fact that I've been married for 19 years, I think it has to be one of the great surprises and shocks to everyone. Uh because well, yeah, I mean it it I mean it it it truly like I I did not see long-term healthy successful marriages. Like I I did not witness it. So I think it would have been most people would have been like, well, it would have been very difficult for me then to do it because I had no blueprint. I had no math. Um so uh yeah, so it's interesting. Like I just it was always more surprising to me when we're like, oh wow, they made it to they made it to 10 years.

SPEAKER_03:

It's your 5-1 though, right? I mean you find the practical solutions to make it work, and that's the other thing, and is is you know, when you learn about how your energy is designed to work, right? I'm a I'm a three-line, which you know, the way that threes bond, our bonding strategy is bonds made and broken. And that in and that made sense to me once I finally heard it is like I need a lot of alone time in any relationship that I'm in. Now that doesn't mean get divorced. That that that that that that's a whole nother, you know, well wow, how we got there was a whole different set of circumstances. But now that I understand that kind of energy, because I would feel guilty of like, you know, all these people around me of like always doing things together. And oftentimes we would take like I would take vacations without him because it was just it's just I just what I needed. And it was kind of like, oh, I see how it works. And you know, and any other relationship moving forward, I also need time away from my kids, right? I'm not one of those moms that like I'll say it, I'm not one of those moms that likes to be around our kids 24-7. Yeah, I have no shame in that. Um, but needing to like kind of move in and out of relationships is something that is that my energy needs. And I'm like, oh, okay, I can understand that, I can see that. I might approach things differently. Now, the thing about human design is you can actually look at two people's energies together and say, like, oh, here's where the problems are gonna be. And when I look back at our our church together, I was like, oh yeah. I I wish someone would have pointed that out before we get married.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh only human human design would have been a thing then.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, right. I I at some point I feel like it should be a part of every marriage, like pre-marriage.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's look at let's look at these charts.

SPEAKER_03:

Consultation of like, here's where the problems are. You can circumvent them, you can approach them differently. That doesn't mean that those problems are gonna define you. You can find ways around them. That's the whole point. Um, but we have gotten to a point of almost no return.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Um, so I mean, I yeah, I get that. Um that's funny, like human adding. It's like because I think that they do that in the cat's with Catholic, like you have to go and meet the pre, there's like pre-counseling, right? So they could maybe that could be your pitch. Um here, here's an here's an add-on. Um human design add-on, create like another class.

SPEAKER_03:

They're not gonna like it because they would say, you know, take the God is the third part.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, I'm not gonna get into that part, but yeah, they probably wouldn't like it very much. I can see that. Um well um there's a lot of places we could go, but uh I think we'll we'll we'll stop here. What so if uh what's the next so someone's out there listening, they're curious. What would be your advice, like like the next like one or two steps to just learn like a little bit more?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so um uh go get your chart, right? So um you can find it any anywhere out there, and I will say it will eventually be on my website. But I through the where the program that I'm doing, there's a very specific um software that I use. I can't get there until I've gotten my certification, which I understand. Um so go get a chart. But once you've gotten your chart, reach out to me. I can give you a little bit deeper of an analysis of what that actually means. And if that feels correct for you to dig in even deeper, well, then we can do something of a deeper analysis. Um, and then working what I'd like to do is, you know, when I first started out, was just doing quote unquote, just doing the reading of doing the analysis. But how the process has evolved is like I will do your analysis, but then I want you to bring what is not working in your life or what is working in your life and create the awareness between how your energy is designed to work and how it's working right now, and some of the problems and challenges that you're having. So I can show you here's how it's showing up, or here's why you feel so much tension, or here's why it feels like things are so stressful, uh, to give that connection and so people can create more awareness and application in how they actually use the information as opposed to trying to go to all these different sources, piece it all together, and then nothing about it making sense.

SPEAKER_00:

No, totally, totally feel that. What's the best way if they want to find out more or learn how to work with you or just get information? What's the easiest way and best way for them to uh track you down?

SPEAKER_03:

Uh come find me on LinkedIn, Larn Ammon. I don't I don't hide under and under any different name, or go to performance reimagin.com. That gives you an insight in terms of kind of how I approach human design. I tend to be uh very practical. I tend to be very direct, as you know. Uh I'll give you the ins, outs, ups, downs, quote unquote goods, bads. There are no goods, bads, but I'll show you the gnarly parts of your energy and I'll show you the great parts of your energy.

SPEAKER_00:

Awesome. Love it. Appreciate the insight. Uh all things human design uh with Lauren Ammon. She's the best. Thanks for coming on.

SPEAKER_03:

Thanks, David.