Ep. 6 "Epstein, Power & Psychological Warfare (ft. Cameron Collier)"

In one of our most intense conversations yet, Cameron and I dive into the mystery surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, the unanswered questions surrounding his death, and the global implications tied to the infamous Epstein files.

We discuss Trump’s campaign promise to expose the names connected to Epstein and explore the growing public skepticism around whether Epstein was simply a wealthy private citizen or something far more complex. Was he operating independently, or could he have been connected to intelligence operations and geopolitical influence campaigns?

From allegations of blackmail and elite power networks to the role psychological warfare may play in shaping public opinion, we explore controversial theories surrounding the CIA, media influence, and the broader impact these operations could have on conflicts in the Middle East and beyond.

This episode is not presented as fact, but as an open conversation examining the questions millions of people continue asking. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back to episode six of the Spark Show. Today we once again have Cameron Collier featured on the show. Welcome back, Cam. Good to be here. Yep, as always, we had a lot on our mind, and we wanted to be pretty quick to chalk it up on the podcast and see what you all think about what we have to say. One of the things that was sort of pressing my mind lately, I haven't really had any way to flush it out, but I've been talking to Cameron a lot about it, is the infamous Jeffrey Epstein. Cameron, can you tell me a little bit about what you think about Jeffrey Epstein and his mysterious death and potentially maybe give me your take on who you thought Jeffrey Epstein was? Oh, it's a Democrat hoax. Let's move on. Oh, geez, that's a short conversation for the day.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

No, no. Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting, right? Because the way it's being used is as a vector of attack against Trump and his administration, and it's being used by all of his adversaries, and ultimately when it comes down to it, it's like, well, the Biden administration was sitting on this info for how long? And they never used it. So or exposed it. And it just it's this weird amorphous blob. And it's like, okay, what's really going on here? And some of the stuff that I was looking at was Mike Benz. I believe he's an investigative journalist, and he kind of digs in deep to like all the deep state stuff. And one of the things that he found digging through some documents is the fact that I think it was back in the 80s with the CIA running guns and drugs through their through their airline corporation. Somehow Jeffrey Epstein wound up on the transfer documents from when the airline, I think, was sold from a company in Miami to Columbus, Ohio. So very interesting. So we see that Jeffrey Epstein has a connection with the CIA all the way back then. So if you're gonna say that he's somehow a he's a Trump ally in some sort of way, it's like, okay, well, what was Trump doing back in the eighties when he was developing property and stuff like that? So they're and then they don't really come into contact until they're going to these soirees and such. So it's it's very interesting when you start digging deep into it and seeing, okay, where does this guy actually come from? What is his actual background? And there's it's it's so much cloak and dagger. And I think you were saying something about him being an intelligence asset.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

So well, we had knowledge of the Epstein files back, I think those became available or came to our knowledge back in between 2016-2020 Biden administration. And so a lot of the MAGA-based Trump supporters were curious to know well, if Biden had knowledge of these files, and this is something that could be detrimental to Trump, why not release these files during his administration? And then leading up into the can't Trump campaign into 2020, Trump's one of his most prominent campaign promises was we're gonna release and expose the Epstein files, we're gonna get everybody that's named in there and anybody who partook in any of those activities, child sex trafficking, sex trafficking, sex slavery, any of that stuff. And so when a prominent presidential candidate, Donald Trump, is out there saying that we have knowledge, we're going to expose these people and rouse up the base with that information and makes his voters heavily dependent on that information, gets voted into office, and then runs this complete sideshow of calling it a hoax, releasing the files through Pam Bondi and a slew of Instagram influencers. A lot of us who have basic education, maybe went to college. There's no little spiral-bound notebook or binder that's going to fool us into thinking that what was contained in those binders was everything we know about Jeffrey Epstein and the people who partook in any of those activities. For me, I've told you this, those promises have definitely made me more skeptical of Trump. It's one of those things where I look at it and go, man, you promised, and now you've pulled back big time on this. And so this is one of those things for me as a Trump supporter. I go, how did we get this so wrong? If you knew that this was a promise and you're a promises made, promises kept kind of guy, why the U-turn?

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Yes. So absolutely. They gotta kind of look as a president, you're only as strong as your cabinet officials allow you to be. So the onus really, I think, is on Pam Bondy. So we're looking at her, like what was she doing during this whole time? And in my opinion, it looked like she was putting on a show going on, oh, we have this, we have that, we don't have this, and kind of just not being transparent or seemingly not transparent. And I've heard arguments from the likes of like Robert Barnes, and he's saying that Pam Bondi was working for the interests of her donors and the people that put her name up for nomination to Donald Trump and stuff like that, and they don't want the information out there, so he's are he was arguing that she wasn't doing all that she could and she was basically just showboating. But if we go ahead and we look, okay, so we know that Joe Biden obviously was the president of his administration, we know that the three-letter agencies are all behind the Joe Biden campaign. We know that basically, if you look at the bureaucracy of the DOJ, we know that all those people, those prosecutors, they're they're most likely voting for Democrat at least at a 90% clip. So when Pam Bondy's putting out those requests to get these files, how much obstruction is she facing? If I remember correctly, she did come out on Fox and put the blame on like the South District of Manhattan or whatever, the one that brought the suit against Trump and then a lot of the infamous lawsuits against him, the law affair in New York. And I believe it was James Comey's daughter was who was the lead prosecutor for the Epstein case. So then now you're starting to see the apprehension from the administration. Like, okay, did they cook the books? Like, how much of this information is real? So now you're facing this uproar from your base going release the files, and then you're thinking, well, I gotta go through the file, and then you're like, okay, well, how many files are six million? Well, I have a DOJ that needs to be focused on other okay, it's a hoax. This is all a hoax. This is nonsense. We need to be moving on from this. This doesn't matter. And in the grand scheme of things, you know, does the Jeffrey Epstein saga lower my grocery prices and my get no, it doesn't. It's a huge distraction, but I get it, right? You got this pedophile class of elites, and we already have all of this anger towards the elites, the billionaire class, now they're calling the Epstein class and all this sort of stuff. So I get it. So it's like, yeah, so now you're so you're looking at the books, you're saying then your Pam Bondi's going to Trump and saying, oh, well, your name's in it, your name's in it. Oh no, oh no. And then Trump is going, oh great, here we go. So he's trying to control the narrative. And then you've got the likes of Thomas Massey and Roe Connor, who are kind of leading the charge in the Congress.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

One thing I will say, while Trump's name is mentioned in the files, uh, I have not come across any of these emails in which uh have been between Epstein and his associates. Some of these associates are Hillary Clinton and other elitists in the world, these world superpowers themselves. These people, I mean, they're using code language in these emails. They're talking about pizza deliveries to their parties, which these people do not eat pizza at their parties. These are the caviar eaters of the world. We're not ordering pizza. They're referring to odd things as jerky. Have you taken the jerky from the side house into the main house? What is that? They refer to potentially children as shrimp, which I hate to say it, but like my most recent child, we call them a little shrimp. But I find a lot of this code language that's used in these email exchanges between Epstein and associates very odd.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Well, yeah, no, absolutely. There's no question that the guy and the people that he associated himself were definitely freaks, sexual deviance to the tenth degree. But looking at it from the 30,000-foot view, it's so easy to get lost in the details and to focus on stuff like that. Which to me, I'm more of a big picture guy. Okay, I was like, how does this relate to getting the MAGA agenda across, closing the border, getting the economy back, getting industry to come back, manufacturing jobs, things like this? This is what I really care about. So when it comes to Epstein, it's just like I mean, all it is to me is just verification of all of my suspicions of the elite class in control of our politics. We heard who was the one guy that was uh I think it was back when Trump's first term, he was a good looking guy in a wheelchair, maybe he was a military vet. He he, I think he was like a one-term congressman, maybe from Georgia or something like this. Young man. Young man. Cannot recall his name, but I know who you're talking about. And he got ostracized and kicked out because he exposed the crazy sex parties that they were inviting him to and stuff like that. So, like, what is the number one sin of humanity? It's probably sex at the end of the day, like Freud says, All motivation leads to sex. I think he says that at least. But yeah, so getting back to Epstein, when you're kind of looking at all this craziness, you're like, okay, why haven't any prosecutions come from this? And it's like, okay, it's so easy to say Trump is just covering up for these guys. Maybe. That's probably some truth to that statement. I think one of his cabinet secretaries, Howard Lutnick, was named in the or there was an email. But I kind of looked into that email, he had a list of, oh, I have a 15-year-old, a 16-year-old, a 12-year-old, they call all this. There was eight eight kids, and then he's with another another couple, and well, it turns out they both have four children. And their ages roughly match the ages at that time that email was sent. So you're like, okay, well, is there probable cause there to get a warrant to then to investigate? Not really. I mean, once you kind of see that, there's like, where's the where does the evidence lead? And that's the biggest thing. So you're looking, you're like, I think what the truth of the matter is that there's just circumstantial evidence at best, and that's not enough to build a case on. And I mean, as frustrating as it is, these are sophisticated actors that know to use their coded language. They know what do not write anything down. And they're like, okay, well, what about the tapes? What about this or that? And then that was kind of one of the things I was telling you about is like, I think you were saying he was running a blackmail ring, and I don't think he was running a blackmail ring. I think he was just servicing his customers.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Running black ops.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Yeah, exactly. Get going back to that CIA thing. And then I saw somewhere talking about, okay, well, where did he get all his money from and all this and that? Well, it's like, well, if you're the one that's cleaning the money for the Intel agencies, was one of the things that he was really proficient at was tax avoidance, knowing the tax laws and cleaning the money and putting them into the Cayman Grand Cayman bank accounts, you know, Bahamas and stuff like that, and taking the elite's money and hiding it so that they can do what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

So he, if we believe that Epstein himself is not this pedophile ringleader who I feel like a majority of the people who have an issue with these Epstein files and Epstein in general believe, what do we tell the guys that want to go pedophile hunting on the weekend and tar and feather these guys and figure out who they were?

SPEAKER_00 13:03

I mean, my religion tells me to not even get into that. Like you can feel self-righteous about going and hunting demons, but at the end of the day, you now become the monster that you're accusing them of being. It's like God has the final judgment. So it doesn't mean that I'm happy with it, that I like it, that I think it's a good thing, I think it's a terrible thing, but I think their come up comeuppance is going to happen. There's nothing in this universe that won't be revealed. The truth always has a f a way of finding itself to the light somehow, some way. So ultimately, if you want to become a pedophile hunter, I would say join law enforcement and do it the right way. With the law behind you, not this crazy vigilante justice like you're Batman or something like that. Like that's Hollywood, and that's not real. And the reason why we have law enforcement is so that we can have righteous justice, not unrighteous vigilante justice.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

And I would say to that, joining law enforcement's a great option, but also too, if anybody was born in the 80s, 90s, kind of came up in the 2000s, then you know that there's another option as well, and they need to bring this back. You could also become a Chris Hansen, and To Catch a Predator was probably one of my favorite shows to watch with my parents growing up at night.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

Oh, okay. Yeah, there's there's another guy I saw on the internet. He does something like that. He dip he sets up these stings, but I saw something where it kind of bit him in the ass where some guy showed up unwillingly, didn't even know. And I didn't again, I didn't do any, I just saw the headlines, so guilty as charged. But the guy was completely innocent, and he's live streaming this to tens of thousands of people who are now believing that this guy was the pedophile target.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Well, Chris Hansen did a great job in his show to catch a predator. They were working in lieu with law enforcement, so it wasn't just going off of a whim here. Yeah, this was completely just coordinated. We had law enforcement on site ready to arrest this predator who the proof was in the pudding. I mean, law enforcement was actively engaging with his team. They had exchanges between these predators and these alleged children, and they were ready to arrest them. They had all the probable cause and were able to arrest right there. However, I think some of the best ones were the men or women that just fully came clean when they were with Chris. I think that was the best thing for them. I think the people that would plead the fifth, the most guilty of them all.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

No, yeah, absolutely. It's that's probably one of the great things about the networks is that they have a uh legion of lawyers that are like, hey, we need to do this the right way. Where when you're just um Tom, dick, and Harry on the internet, you get yourself into a lot of trouble. Yep. So I don't know, I get it. I mean, I I'm hung hungry for justice and fairness as well, but you have to consider the unintended consequences. And so many people that are high and mighty, ready to rock and roll, lock and loaded, all of a sudden find themselves perpetrating when they thought they were gonna be catching the perpetrators.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

So Yeah, I think the people who it mostly affects is probably gonna be parents. It's gonna affect people with a past that had a childhood affected by their form any form of safety, whether that was sexual or physical abuse or anything like that. These are the people that are seeking justice uh out of the Epstein files the most.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

But and that's the thing then that what we have to ask for is there at least surveillance occurring? Because there's suspicion, right? So now is there some sort of surveillance to see and to make sure that these people are innocent and they are who they say they are, that it was just by happenstance that they're associated with this guy. So if we could get some sort of action from the administration saying, hey, we hear you, we understand, there's nothing actionable that we can act on our end, however, we are vigilant and we are watching and we know who these names are, and we're making sure everything's clean.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

Well, I can speak to it personally. It's not something I like to share, but I'm gonna put it out there because people deserve to know why I'm so passionate about it and seeking justice myself. So in my past as a child, that we had a family member who eventually was arrested by the FBI for the possession and potential or alleged distribution of child pornography. And so now as an adult man, that's pretty reassuring to me that one of our three-letter agencies took him out, put him in jail. That's to know that the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, even ICE is out there catching these sex predators, child molesters, all these different types of criminals that with major news headlines recently, we're just thinking that these people are out to get terrorists and illegal aliens. It's just not the truth. These guys have a lot more work to do, a lot more on their plate. There is things domestically happening here in the United States where we have a lot of criminals, and those are the guys that are actively seeking out these guys and taking them out. So, like you said earlier, if you're looking to become a pedophile hunter, these three-letter agencies are a good place to start.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

Yeah, and you one of the things I think maybe I should have said this at the top of the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing is I hate the fact that it's become a demoralization psyop. It's all about demoralizing you so that you don't support who you previously supported, just like you said, you were starting to question your support, and that's the whole point. That's what the elites are using it as because there's at least there's not enough there for prosecutions to occur, and it's just more embarrassing. And so it's like, okay, so how can we use this to demoralize? And I mean, it's great, just scroll through the social media and you can see how demoralized people are and how angry they are, and I think that is exactly what they were planning on doing. But it the reality is that the focus of our three later three-letter agencies under the Democrats turned inward at their political adversaries in such a way as to ensure that they held power. We see that with the Twitter files, we see that with the try the way they try to control speech. And so with Cash Patel and the Trump administration, now they're turning the three-letter agencies back out to their original mission statement. And that's what they're doing. And then you hear, if you just go look at what the how many prosecutions, I think they said they found like 300,000 missing children. So you say you care about children and you're worried about children. Well, this DOJ and this FBI has found 300,000 children despite no Epstein prosecutions happening. That's 300,000 more than were being found by the former administration.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Well, I would say that former administration, Joe Biden administration, conservatives lost a lot of trust in the FBI, the CIA, all of our agencies. We felt that there was a lot of surveillance sort of state ops going on with conservative organizations. We had some prosecutions going on from the DOJ trying to go after TPUSA, Charlie Kirk's organization. We had, I said on the collusion, the Twitter files that occurred between the DOJ or the FBI, and this is Joe Biden's FBI who were colluding with Twitter, censoring people during COVID, going after people speaking out against the vaccines. So I think one of the big things, campaign promise again here, was Trump said, we're gonna restore faith and integrity, and we're gonna restore the trust that the American people want with their the CIA, FBI, Department of Justice. We're gonna restore this and like you're saying, put them back, the focus back onto what their true tasks were originally.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

Yeah, and I think that's where Trump made his biggest mistake is I think he was listening to his advisors when it came to this whole Epstein saga, and it just made them look dirty. And he's dealing with the reper repercussions of it. Anyone that's even gonna come close it, anyone that touches that case is dirty just by coming close to it.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Aaron Powell Well, you could see how negatively it affected Attorney General Pam Bondi. I mean, coming into the administration and being appointed to that position, that was a huge deal. She was gonna be a firestorm. And we were all we all had high hopes. And the first thing essentially that she had put on her plate was the Epstein files. And Putting on that show really just completely crippled her credibility. And the next thing we saw was we were all really excited. Cash Patel, new CIA director, super stoked. We thought we were going to see. Oh, FBI, I'm sorry. Yes. Really excited to see what he did with the back end of the Epstein files. Well, one of the big things he was in charge of was letting us know what happened inside of his jail, jail cell with his alleged suicide. All that I've seen coming out from the internet is the FBI released footage from his cell that showed a time lapse of when he entered his cell last to when he allegedly passed away or committed suicide. Well, everybody picked that apart and pretty much found out like that was altered footage. That was not original just from the tapes. There was somebody on the back end editing or doing something, maybe messing with resolution, could be anything. But it was altered footage. And so again, here, FBI trying to restore trust. There's nothing you could hide from the internet now. So if you're going to put something out there, you better make sure it's the truth because that's quickly going to come out to be there's going to be judgment by the internet. And a lot of people would rather trust the internet than trust the FBI or any other three-letter agency.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Well, as I like to say, the internet is a schizophrenic homeless person. So don't trust the internet. Sorry. And the thing is, don't be demoralized about your institutions. And oh, I can't trust this institution, that institution. No. You cannot trust the human individuals that are controlling that institution. That institution is here to protect us and protect you and me. Always trust the institution. Always trust the people with no power that work within the institution. That's the ones that are appointed by the political class. That's where you have to direct your suspicions, not the institution itself. Because now you're playing into our adversaries in China and Russia and Iran who have a vested interest in demoralizing you and getting you to hate your country. Because then why fight for your country? Look at the demoralization of the UK, where they're like, hey, we got to go to war with Russia, and all the people are like, hell no, I ain't signing up to go to war. You're crazy. Well, why is that? Well, they're completely demoralizing the UK because they've opened their borders and flooded and diluted what it means to be a British person.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

I will say this. I do have trust in our three-letter agencies. However, the one that I'm always going to remain skeptical of, Cam, is the CIA. Okay. Their specialty is to run PsyOps. And it's not to say on the American people, but it's their job to do that. It's to create illusions, whether that's gun running, delivering arms to countries that shouldn't have them, delivering cash, propping up people or different nations that are going to be going to war, causing conflict, but saying that it arose out of organic grassroots. And so this is the job of the Central Intelligence Agency. And I just always caution people to remind themselves of that and try to get all as get get as much information on anything that you're looking into as possible.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Well, yeah, exactly. And how do you know you're a part of a PSY-OP or being PSY-Opped? Well, when the voices that you were listening to do a 180-degree flip on you and now sound like the adversary. I'm pointing to the MTG, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, that whole kind of crew where it's one thing, maybe the Iran war and boom, and it's just like now they have a narrative. And then while that narrative's kind of going up in smoke now because we're hearing over the last 24 hours that there's looking like there's a peace deal and Iran's going to capitulate. I mean, we'll see. But at the end of the day, they're all another endless war. He's a neocon. Trump, but I think I I saw Tucker Carlson saying that he was a sleeper cell, a sleeper agent all these years, which just logically doesn't make any sense. So you're like, oh, wait, so he's been a sleeper cell for Israel when he's a 70-year-old man when he finally got power. So at what point did he become a sleeper agent for Israel? But it's like, what are we talking about? He was a businessman before that, he was a reality TV star. Like it's not like he was in the trenches of an Intel agency or anything like this in a government bureaucracy. So you're just like, at the same time, these people could also be convincing themselves of the psyop that's been played against them. But yeah, absolutely, to your back to your point about the CIA. I mean, you were pointing to me something a few days ago about them being responsible for Kennedy's assassination because he wanted to scatter him to the wind. And so you're like, well, here's the reality is like, okay, let's break it down. So if you see the CIA, you're like, okay, the CIA is how many thousands of agents, right? And they absolutely have a part to play in our national security apparatus, but then it gets into those individuals who see themselves above the Constitution. Like they are the true leaders. So it's like, okay, so they're then using their black ops to then create these programs to where they can get their selected candidates to office so they can continue on doing what they're doing. So at the end of the day, are we gonna really say that Trump is a part of that? But and it was just all a psy-up that them going after him, this when trying to destroy him. Oh, and then his assassinations were, you know, he he just had the guy shoot at him so close that and then he popped some ketchup on his ear and like all this nonsense. You're like, what? It's like, guys, I think you've gone so far down the rabbit hole conspiracy on the internet that you've kind of metamorphized, metamorphosized into it.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Yeah, the thing about you could causation doesn't necessarily mean correlation. Did I say that backwards? Oh yeah, backwards correlation doesn't equal causation. But what I was gonna say is with the JFK assassination, there were a lot of moving components in the past that a lot of people don't even care to look back into history and kind of research. But LBJ definitely had some motive to want to take over the presidency. He had some uh assets in his name and through his wife, who we had talked about.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Military industrial.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

Yeah, that were going to be affected if JFK effectively pulled troops out of the war at the time. Vietnam. Yeah. Right? I think it was Vietnam. And then he stopped the invasion of Cuba. The thing that I don't like most about what we see now and why I start to believe more in these theories, is that I've seen how loyal these agencies have become to one party. If anyone would come to an agreement, I think they would say that these agencies belong to Democrats at the moment. That these are not very conservative agencies for whatever reason. And my personal opinion is just because Democrats are more corrupt than conservatives at the moment. Not to say that conservatives can't be corrupt because there's corruption on both ends. But, you know, regarding Trump's Virginia assassination attempt where he was within centimeters of losing his life. I think of the Secret Service as, you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Wasn't that Pennsylvania?

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Oh, did I say Virginia? I'm sorry. Butler, Pennsylvania. You're right. I think of the Secret Service as being like one of the most elite tactical groups that's supposed to be protecting one of our most valuable assets, right? Our president. And left a little Pac-Man. Dude, I mean, like in Motocross, these guys kept the door wide open. Yep. They just let this guy have a pass on them. Right up the inside. Dude, it's horrible. I would honestly become schizophrenic myself after that if I'm the president and my secret service just let a sniper within just a deadeye view of me. 150 yards, was it?

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Yeah, just get a shot off. And so, but he's a sleeper agent, right, Tucker? It's like it doesn't make sense. It logically doesn't make sense unless Tucker is now a part of a different narrative that he's feeding. And there seems to be no sort of introspection on Tucker's part to kind of like question himself and question the conclusions that he's coming to. Same with all the rest of them. It's just like they exist in this bubble, they're existing in a bubble. And it's like, okay, so at what point do we look and question ourselves and question our own narratives? But sorry, I cut you off you're talking about. No, I was just leading into I Oh, I wanted to push back on something where you said the corruption of Democrats. I don't I think this is the game that they play, right? So you have to create a balkanization, you have to create, divide, and conquer. I think there is a DC establishment class, and they happen to vote Democrat because Democrats are very open for big government, right? And they're part of that big government, that establishment. And Republicans or rhinos pay lip service to little government. I mean, just look at the Senate walkout because Trump is making a move against senators. Paxton in in Texas giving him his oh, what's it called? When you give him your approval, no, your endorsement. Yep. You got the Bill Cassidy, he was pushed out. You have, and so then you have oh, that's junk horning against Paxton, I believe. And so you have Thune throwing a tantrum and saying, Well, we're going on a 10-day memorial vacation and we're not putting through the Trump agenda anymore. That's the DC establishment. They are there to, I mean, why not get the Save America Act? We see the polls 84%, 85%, even Democrats, a majority of Democrats agree with it. Well, I'll tell you why, because they are serving the DC establishment and they that whole apparatus. And so it's my personal belief that Trump and his administration are trying to dismantle that, not only domestically, but on the on the stage, because that establishment, in my opinion, is also in cahoots with all of the Western agenda. This like 2030, the Paris Climate Agreement, the Green New Deal. You see how they've hollowed out their industrial base of Western Europe, and then they've just flooded them with third world migrants, all men of a military age who are doing heinous things. And it's like, okay, and this is the exact same thing that that the Democrats were doing, and what were the Republicans doing to stand in their way? Nothing. Only paying lip service. And then you get Donald Trump, who's actually making moves against that, and who's standing in its way right now? Senate Republicans. So it's like, yeah, you can blame the Democrats, but that's all that's all window dressing.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Yeah. I feel like that's uh that's become uh like the uh like the establishment Republicans, like you're saying, are like the splinter faction of the organic MAGA movement. Right. Um, and it's an interesting thing to sort of think about, but when's the last time a Democrat uh was elected into the presidency that came in with uh his own wealth that didn't accrue wealth during his presidency? Um I would like to see Democrats elect somebody who doesn't have to be bought and paid for by the establishment and be able to be ran like a puppet because I think that's the most dangerous thing that Trump has for himself is he can move on his own accord. He doesn't have to move based off of whatever deal needs to be made or what whatever any sort of establishment uh Republican or deep state puppet might want him to do.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Well, the counterargument is that he is bought and paid for by Israel, like Miriam Adelson and these uh Jewish American donors. And it's actually really interesting if we uh if we want to go down to Israel and everything that's going on over there. But suffice to say, um I saw someone who was it was it was part of the I think it was Alex Jones's son was arguing we don't have to choose the lesser of two evils. The less no, absolutely not. That's ridiculous. We're not gonna do that, we're gonna sit this out. And it's like, well, actually, if you open up your Bible, God says you must choose the lesser of two evils. And it's just like, think about it. You're like, wait, so let's say I'm not gonna call them the Democrats, I'm gonna call them the DC establishment, the globalist establishment gets into power and we lose our majority, and then they start instituting exactly everything that you know that Biden and his administration were doing, but now they're accelerating it so they can because they know that the jig is up. How is that gonna benefit you in any sort of way and all that downward pressure that's gonna put? And then if they can then solidify their power structures, like I think who was it that I heard the he's an old school Alabama, he sounds like a Dixie crat in the way he talks, and he's like a Democrat strategist. What's his name? James Carville. There it is. James Carville, and you hear what he's saying, oh, we're gonna open up the boards, we're gonna flood them, and then we're gonna pack the Supreme Court, and then we're gonna get Grant Mass Amnesty, and you're like, okay, why? Well, because we can't win. I've seen some like Chat GPT, so take it with a grain of salt that said, if the Democrats didn't have all their illegal numbers kind of padding their representation, what would the country look like when it's just like all red? And there's like a few Democrat districts. And it's like, well, yeah, that's the name of the game. They have to get those census numbers up so they can get those representatives. Then they need the racial gerrymandering and all that, so they can draw their squiggly lines so they can create their districts, and it's like yikes! Like, how does that how what are you talking about? How does that help? So, no, absolutely you have to choose the lesser of two evils, and then at the and it's like, okay, well, what does Israel gain for us? Like, what is it that our two billion dollars, which is a drop in the bucket, give to them? Of course, there's also military spending that we send over, aid. Well, what does that buy us? Well, it buys us a foothold in in an economic region that is that controls at least a quarter of the global economy. So it's extremely important that we have our presence there, and they're our attack dog. Those are our war dogs over there, and they're incredibly sophisticated. Their intelligence apparatus, I mean, their technology, their IT, I mean, it's invaluable. So it's like, what's the lesser two evils over there? You're like, okay, are we gonna what am I gonna support? Am I gonna support a Jewish democracy or an Islamic caliphate? Well, Islamic caliphate, of course, right? Because who wants democracy? Because democracy is ugly. And sure, look at what Sharia law has created, right, Tucker?

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Yeah, well, it's taken a long time for, I don't know if you want to call it the deep state, which we think is mainly more of a progressive sort of organization. It's taken a long time to delude the minds of Democrats and make them so toxic and filled with this toxic empathy to think that there is any sort of empathy coming from the Islamic caliphate towards anything that we embody in the West.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Yeah. No, we're we're the great Satan.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

Never forget them. Yep. So I don't to me, not really anything worth fighting for their causes, definitely everything worth fighting against. Yeah. We were also having an interesting discussion about the what would we say, the ABC? No, what'd you call it? ARC. Yeah, the ARK uh alliance, the America-Russia-China Alliance. And while you were telling me about that, I was kind of questioning, well, if we're at war with Iran and uh China's a uh potential ally of Iran and Russia also a potential ally, then why haven't those attack dogs come to their aid? Why exactly the restraint?

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Exactly. Why the restraint? And so what is it that Trump has been able to disrupt? Because if it was Joe Biden, well, first of all, Joe Biden would have never done that because we see how the Europeans reacted, and Joe Biden was on the beck and call of the Europeans. That Europeans couldn't have been happier to have him, if you recall back to all of his trips to Europe, the way they were just absolutely jovial having this mindless zombie walking around completely confused what's going on, but they didn't care because they had a puppet.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Yeah, so I kind of wonder is Iran in the eyes of America, China, and Russia, are they looked at as like the the uneducated, sort of little kid on the playground who wants to potentially be a big superpower, but they just they're not uh a first world country in any regard. They're stuck in the third world, and so at no real level does the United States, China, or Russia want them to have nuclear capabilities?

SPEAKER_00 39:40

That's what I've questioned myself, because you're like, I wouldn't say, well, absolutely not, uh Iran is not third world by any means, but it is ideologically captured by a medieval idea ideology, or even predates medieval ideology, but they are uh liability. And so it's like I don't know, the way I kind of see it is I think China Trump went over to China and talked to them, pitched his ideas to them, as like, okay, put pressure on this so we can finally end this thing and start creating some sort of economic cooperation and we can kind of end this old w what is it the the global economic order that was created after World War II, and we can kind of get back to the way nation states have always organized by national sovereign identity, not globalized institutions that can usurp sovereign power as the Europeans would have us all subject to. So, I mean, who who knows? I certainly hope and pray that Trump is successful and that we can create some sort of economic cooperation with the Chinese and the Russians, and I pray that the Europeans can kind of drop their institutionalized ideologies that they have, and we can get back to national sovereignty and advocating for God and at the highest order. But who knows?

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Well, we know that Trump tabled his plans for Memorial Day weekend. We had early reports coming out saying that there was a potential new deal for the end of the Iran War coming out, and so Trump wasn't able to make one of his son's weddings. He kind of ended his Memorial Day weekend plans, and we were told basically that means there's potentially going to be some big news coming out, and so I think next week we'll have a little bit more to digest and talk about in regards to Iran and hopefully and praying for the end of the war there, and we'll be able to talk about that on the next episode of the Spark Show. Absolutely. All right, well, good to have you on episode six, Cam, and we'll be back next week, everybody. Peace.