Ep. 13 "Narrative Wars"

In Episode 13 of The Sparks Show, Spencer and Cameron examine the stories dominating headlines and ask a question that has become increasingly difficult to answer:

What is truth—and who controls the narrative?

From domestic politics to international conflicts, the hosts explore how media coverage, political messaging, and public perception shape the way Americans understand the world around them.

The conversation begins with Tucker Carlson’s criticism of the modern MAGA movement and his controversial claim that some conservatives have abandoned the principles of America First in favor of interventionist foreign policy. Has the movement changed, or is Carlson missing the bigger picture?

Spencer and Cameron also discuss the conspiracy theories, speculation, and competing narratives that emerged following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and how major events quickly become battlegrounds for information, misinformation, and political agendas.

The discussion then shifts overseas as the hosts examine escalating tensions in the Middle East, including controversial statements made by Israeli officials regarding Lebanon and the growing concerns over regional stability.

Throughout the episode, Spencer and Cameron challenge listeners to think critically, question assumptions, and consider whether the biggest battles today are no longer fought on battlefields—but through information itself.

Topics Include:

•  Tucker Carlson’s criticism of the MAGA movement
•  America First vs. America Last
•  Media narratives and political influence
•  Charlie Kirk assassination theories and speculation
•  Israel, Lebanon, and Middle East tensions
•  Information warfare and public perception
•  How competing narratives shape society

In a world flooded with information, the hardest question may be the simplest:

Who should we believe?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:06

All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Spark Show episode 13. Today, we're gonna be talking a little bit about some of our domestic narratives, foreign narratives, things that are going on in the world right now that seem to be stirring up a media frenzy. I'd like to welcome our co-host Cameron back here on the show. Been having a good pre pre-show conversation about what exactly is going on and the things that are creating media narratives and what war what what our our stance is essentially on all this stuff. I think when we hopped on and were chatting this morning, it was a little bit about this this new Republican party that wants to emerge out of the ashes of MAGA. And Tucker Carlson seems to be thinking that he's gonna lead the party and that if he walks away from today's MAGA Republican Party, that he's going to be creating the the new non-America last party. And I really wanted to hear your take on that, Cameron. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Well, I don't know where he thinks he's getting his support from. Maybe he looks at his views, and most of his views are maybe coming from Pakistan. So he's like, wow, man, look at all these views that I get. I'm super popular. I'm gonna be creating the next big movement or something. But I don't know. All I see is the polls come out, and Donald Trump within those who identify as MAGA is over 80%, and then Tucker Carlson's is down below 5%. So I don't know who's breaking away from Trump and going along with Tucker Carlson, but I don't know. I mean, you just listen to the guy for one second, and he always concedes he's always wrong, that his principles always get in the way of pragmatic realities, and that that's the reason why he can never be a politician. So you're like, okay, so you're saying you can never get anything done and you're always wrong, and you're gonna create the next big movement that's gonna be America first. I'm not getting a lot of confidence here, guys.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Yeah, it's an interesting take. I mean, I think Tucker Carlson, especially, I mean, and a lot of these other people that think they want to break away from the MAGA movement, they're acting like a bunch of whiny toddlers who don't get their way, especially because of foreign policy. Yeah. And then they use the likes of a Charlie Kirk, who before he passed away had a stance on Iran war because this was all the pretext to the war when this was going down and when he passed, saying that he didn't believe we should be in Iran. And I think a lot of people could agree we don't want to be in Iran. And Trump did promise no new wars and no endless wars. However, when we have something that needs to be accomplished, he's gonna go in, he's gonna execute, and then when we're when we resolve these issues, we're going to end it. We're not going to stay in like we did Iraq with George W. Bush. We're not going to continue staying there. We're not going to continue to exploit war and create these economic booms and warfare and allow insider trading profits to occur for people who are pro-war. It's just opportunists.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

The biggest thing is America last is sitting on your hands when a fluid situation is unfolding in front of you. And that's what our politicians did. And it was always, okay, what's the focus group say? What are the polls say? How do I move? How am I going to navigate this? And it's like when it comes down to it, you have to make a judgment call. And for all those that say that this administration had no plan, they clearly had a plan. You you could see the board. They they took out Panama, they took out Venezuela, so they took out all these things. They started reorientating, opening up all of our oil exports, and then they went into Iran. So clearly they had a plan of what they're doing here. And then what do we come and find out? We come to find out how strategically important the Strait of Hormuz is. It's 30% of petroleum products or whatever coming out of there that can negatively affect the American consumer. So it is America First finally resolving this 50-year conundrum that is the Middle East, that no one is willing to deal with, because Iran has always been the big, bad, evil boogeyman that no one can deal with because it we're gonna get drowned into a ground war. And you constantly see the shifting of narratives, like with the likes of Tucker Carlson and stuff like that, when as Trump starts accomplishing his goals, it's just like, okay, how do I shift, how do I shift around this? And now it's this whole, well, this is this is America last. America engaging on the world stage is America last. How how is that I don't I don't get it. And we're not in a forever war. So but then it's it's wild because it it takes a nuanced perspective of everything, all the pieces that are happening and then coming to a conclusion, but most political commentators, it's nuance doesn't exist, it's you went against my principles, therefore you're the enemy, and you're like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

Yeah, I I think this new America last, done with that narrative that Tucker's drumming up right now, is pretty pathetic. He's picking up narratives that Joe Biden was pushing, essentially wanting to cancel student debt, but in a different way. And this is an interesting term because I believe you called it the the Marxist right theory, right? And this is instead of eliminating student debt through uh government policy, we would be essentially just protesting. Tucker claims that he doesn't want people to pay their student student loans back. He wants everybody just to full stop, stop paying as protest to the institution, the Department of Education and any of these institutions, the banks that are loaning at these vicious interest rates on their student loans that don't let people out of the cycle of it. He's claiming that people should stop paying their credit cards because interest rates are sky high in that it's predatory to even be sending out credit card offers to college students. And so everybody with a credit card with a massive interest rate should just stop paying their credit cards. And thirdly, I think he would appreciate it if everyone just protested the entire administration by voting independent in the next race. But there is no nobody who's actually leading a movement to do that. If anything, there's that's just nonsense. And it all sounds good on paper, right? But in reality, yeah, not a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Yeah, maybe it drums up views on social media, but you're like, okay, so you're encouraging young people to commit financial suicide. That sounds retarded. What did Charlie Kirk say? How about just don't get those loans? Go to trade school. You can make just as much money. You don't have to do this whole nonsense college thing. That was his whole shtick, from what I understand. So it's like, I mean, I don't know. I guess we face it too. What are we gonna talk about today? What are we gonna do? What's the show gonna be about today? It's just well, let's just feed the outrage machine, I guess. I don't know. I mean, it's it kind of blows me away how I I really like to listen to that guy, and then now it's just nails on a chalkboard. You know what I mean? It's what is he what are you saying? That's insane.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

Well, it's weird to see Tucker and like the likes of Megan Kelly and all of these investigative journalists, sort of influencer-like media figures be so aligned with the MAGA movement, and everyone claims to be a friend of Charlie Kirk and all of these people who were united on this front to get Trump into the White House for a second term. But now it's like Charlie's gone. Trump did some things he said that he wasn't gonna do, and now it's like we need to make a full U-turn. That's an interest that's interesting. I it really makes me feel like these are not authentic figures. These are people just driving outrage, they just want to push a narrative that sells, and like we're struggling. I mean, we're we're still on the Trump train. We still support Donald Trump and his actions and his his policy and everything he's doing. Maybe not everything, but for the most part. But all of these people who claim to have been on his ship getting him to the White House are now jumping ship and saying, We're done.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

Yeah, well, that's because they're worried about their viewership and they're worried about their reputation online. That's what I would argue at the end of the day. But when when I look at it, so this whole thing, because it it all stems around Iran and everything that's going on around Iran, and what is the opposition always saying? Israel controls us, we're controlled by Israel, and they're always they're forcing us to fight their wars, and you're like, okay, well, let's concede exactly that. So, what do we need to do to get rid of that? Right? Well, you have to actually face the situation on the ground, which is Iran. So the the two belligerents in the Middle East are Israel and Iran. So that's the solution, or that's the problem that you have to find a solution for. And so this administration actually has the cojones to face it and try to do something about it instead of kicking the can down the road as prior administrations had done. And so that's like I think Marco Rubio said, Well, the Israelis were gonna hit us, and he probably I don't think he was supposed to say that, so they tried to roll that one back, but he kind of let the cat out of the bag that the crazy Israeli government is they're gonna hit them. And it's well, we're gonna get hit. So, okay, and they had a plan already in place. Pentagon already has all these war game plans, and boom, they executed on it, and then Trump was well, actually, you know, we got a pullback. I I don't see you you you don't know how true that is because like I said earlier, you had the Venezuela situation, you had the Panama situation, so clearly they were gearing up to this end. So, I mean, these these are the nuanced takes. You have to look at all the information that's out there and go, okay, wait, what is actually going on here? And so, but look at what actually occurred. The narrative out there right now is that America lost when we're conceding. And Donald Trump started this stupid war, and now he's tucking tail and running because he's afraid he's not gonna get re-elected in the midterms, and and but because we're this we're giving up these ten things, and all Iran has to do is two things, and we're giving Iran $300 billion, and and in a war, who receives the money, the loser or the winner? You're like, I mean, it's so reductionist. You know, this this whole thing is or there's an actual negotiation going on, it's okay. Let's run the numbers. Because the numbers I ever see, it's what look at look at how much money America has lost. Look at how many $20 billion in aircraft gone, 42 aircraft or something like that, bases hit, all this sort of stuff. But who does the battlefield damage assessment of Iran? Have you seen anything? How much money do you think Iran has lost? In assets in assets. Oof, I mean it's got to be in the billions. Okay, we've lost 50 billion, let's say. How much do you think Iran's lost? Oh, then hundreds of billions. Five hundred billion. Oh wow. So it's actually the estimates are anywhere from 300 billion to one trillion, depending on who we're looking at. So I heard it from Victor Davis Hansen, he was talking about it. 500 billion in assets that have the Iranians have accumulated over their, you know, you know, almost 50-year reign. So when you lose $500 billion in assets and it cost us $50 billion, and then if you all the operations, everything that we've done leading into this, it's about a hundred billion. So we're at a one to five, and then on top of that, you got the they they put together then the economic fury, right? So not only Operation Epic Fury, then you got the Operation Economic Fury, and they were losing 500 million a day. So, and then within this whole the blockade cycle, they lost some somewhere around almost five billion dollars in revenue. So you've lost 500 billion in assets, five billion in revenue, and then Donald Trump comes to you and goes, Look, it we're all we're looking for is normalized relations, no more terrorism, no more nuclear bombs. Like I did, and we're out. We don't need this anymore. We're putting together this Abraham Accords, you're working with Pakistan, you're working with Qatar, Oman, and then you have your intermediaries, and they're working with Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi and Israel and Jordan and Syria, and so that's Trump's vision is tying these people together economically and sidelining the hardliners that are saying for every Israeli tier, there needs to be a thousand tiers of the enemy's mothers or whatever it was. What was that saying?

SPEAKER_00 13:36

So this was uh Israel's defense minister um lashing out a day or two ago, and it got everybody riled up because of the attacks going on in Lebanon, which could potentially um cause conflict or dissolving of the memorandum of understanding, rightfully so. So this is um Ben Ben Gavir, Israel's defense minister, and he says, For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn. With all due respect to the Americans, Israel must make it clear to the entire world that the blood of our sons and security of our citizens are non and are not forfeit. All of Lebanon must burn. Our supreme duty is to protect the citizens of Israel and the soldiers of the IDF, and this commitment takes precedence over every other consideration. I told the Prime Minister, even in our private meetings, for every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. Enough with the ping pong. In the Middle East, you don't win with measured responses and restraint. You need to go berserk, to obliterate, to crush the terror.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

All I hear is death to America. Israel and America, the great Satan. You're like, Well, when you're saying for one, we take a thousand, that's pretty evil. You're like, yeah, it doesn't go fucking one for one for a thousand. That's like the biblical thing, eye for an eye. That's like the the the Israel law or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Here's my take. I get the emotional response from Americans because we live in a very safe and secure nation. We don't have anybody on our northern border attacking us or firing missiles at us domestically. We don't have anybody on our southern border firing missiles or attacking us domestically. The closest thing we have to domestic terrorism on our front is narco-terrorism with drugs, uh sex trafficking, human trafficking, cartel terror, those kinds of things happening, but they rarely occur on our our front, on our land. This is all happening in Mexico for the most part. We see that the Department of Justice and all these other organizations right now are taking care of that, and even people seeing it on videos of declassified military strikes on these narco-terrorists and these drug smuggling boats and stuff are freaking out because they believe that these people deserve due process. That you can't actually, you know, claim these people are smuggling drugs unless you actually get on that boat and test the drugs or the big bins that are on there that you clearly see in our videos. And it's just it's kind of wild because the one thing I understand is, or the closest thing I think Americans have ever gotten to the emotional response that we could claim maybe Israelis have every day of life from seeing missile threats and terrorist bombings and suicide bombings and all these horrific things going on over in their country, which we are not exposed to here in the United States. The closest thing we ever had to that type of emotional response was 9-11. That was essentially our one reminder. And what did that do to us as a nation? Man, that fired up, fired up the war machine. That was the first time in my lifetime where I ever saw a United States ready to go to war. That was an attack where everyone was unanimous on we're gonna go and obliterate these people, we're gonna go berserk, right? We're gonna crush that enemy for what they did because they physically took people from us. They that was the worst terror attack we've ever had domestically in the United States. Yeah. Thousands of Americans, right? Yeah, no, a bunch of Saudis and we went and attacked Iraq.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Well, that's one theory. And so it's legit FBI, they're all a bunch of Saudis, but well, we can't disrupt the Apple cart with the Saudis and what we want. And and that was the whole neocon and endless war adventurism.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

My point to it is that when I hear something like that from the Israeli defor defense minister or whatever he is, is that I don't want to say I understand and that's okay because it's not, but also we're not exposed to that same violence, and it's hard to understand their where their emotional response is coming from.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Well, yeah, I get it, because my take on the Kamarlo Anthony thing got a lot of people really angry, man. They were they were going straight up Jim Crow, hang them from the apple tree, lynch them, and you're just like, geez, guys, you guys are out of control. And they're like, Well, well, how would you feel if it was your child? And you're like, bro, you know what I mean? It's out of control, bloodlust, and that's the problem. The the Middle East is soaked in blood because it's there's I don't know, something in the water over there where it's just it's all about blood and bloodletting, blood sacrifice. I mean, actually, if you think about it from a bib biblical perspective, that's what's what it all was. It was all blood sacrifice, and that's kind of what God was putting an end to with the coming of Jesus Christ. He was supposed to be the final blood sacrifice.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Well, to me, it's like they're still living in medieval times over there.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's it's it's kind of crazy, but why is that? It's because the psychopaths are in power, and it's just the people that are just trying to get on with their lives, create businesses for the to for some sort of economic prosperity for their families, are they're shut out. And that's the difference, is where it's okay. I mean, think about it. Why did Trump try to cut the head off the snake with the IRGC and the Ayatollah and the Mulahs and all that, whatever it is? Well, it's to try to get rid of the psychos so that the younger people could kind of see. So, yeah, but they're the fighting age ones and they're they're ready to go. But then the reality's on the ground, you lost 500 billion in assets, you're losing 500 million a day, you can't pay your soldiers, and then we're doing cyber warfare and all your banking systems. So, and then you're going, hey, we'll give you a $300 billion fund to reconstitute your economy, not your military, and join join the rest of the world. And then guess what? The psychos in Israel don't have the we're we're gonna wipe the terrorists off the map. Okay, can we get rid of those guys now? Can Israel vote in less extreme people? Because it's like you said, they got rockets flying from the south, they got rockets flying from the north, and then the more moderate voices in Israel are gonna get drowned out because they're the ones saying, hey, we need to take a measured approach, and in that instance, that no one wants a measured approach, they want annihilate them all. And it's well, that's just it's that's not pragmatic.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

You I I think of the terrorism that goes on in the Middle East as savagery, right? In that what did we do in the United States to eradicate savagery from colonizing this place? Rule of law. Rule of law, but what else happened before we established rule of law? Extermination. The savages here were the Native Americans, the Indians. Oh, I see what you're saying, yeah. Right? And what did we have to do in order to create law and order? We had to exterminate uh savage people, and what they did was they went on a a full crusade. I know that's a that's a tough one to digest. It's not not one that people like to acknowledge, but we didn't exterminate them, we forced them onto reservations. Well, I think the Native Americans would argue that there was an extermination in effect, and the ones that did survive. No, we cut their nuts off. We didn't exterminate them, we neutered them. Sure. I mean, there were definitely I mean Well, there were great battles with great slaughters, but they also slaughtered us. You could also argue that the conquistadors down in Mexico, Spain came in and wiped out civilizations that existed there long before their arrival. Five hundred men.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Well that's that's nonsense. That's just a narrative that's been pushed. Somehow five hundred men took out millions of Native Americans.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Well, then how did these smallpox and then so you think more diseases that were brought by the conquistadors pretty much wiped out these civilizations, things we couldn't cure, and that pretty much just rapidly spread and wiped these people out?

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Yeah, it was smallpox.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Smallpox is what took them out. It was like twenty two million, I think, was the the total.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

The Persians. Well, huh? They mean the 300 in the gates of hell or whatever it was. Against the the army of 10,000 Persians.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

I'm pretty sure they all died. They did all die. But it but they rally the rest. Yeah. But no, because actually, if you look into the the story of the conquistadors and I don't know what it Cortes and all that sort of stuff, he was actually he was breaking ranks with the governor of Cuba who said, no, you're not allowed to do this. So they actually sent a few thousand men after him because he was a fugitive of the law. So it's it's kind of crazy because there's there's much more dynamic that's working there, and just all the evil white man came over here and wiped us all out. I was like, no, actually, you had this fugitive that came over the 500 men looking for gold or something like that, and they actually stumble across the native population who is oppressed by their neighbor, and they're over it, and they basically, I believe they fought with the Spanish, but because the Spanish were able to fight them off, they then created an alliance and then they marched on to Nechitlan. And if that is the actual name, I'm impressed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

So getting back to my original point about Iran and how this all feeds into that. Hey, dude, we're just doing the wee. Yeah, buddy. We took a the detour here. And what point does modern day society say you only get this many chances to behave before we actually come in with boots on the ground, install a new government, and say you cannot live this way or create this type of terror anymore? When do we finally say is enough is enough? Because Israel is clearly there. They've had enough of the terror. They do not want to live this way. They would like peace in the Middle East. Israel is a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

And I'm not saying I am for crushing. That's the reality. So either you can attempt Trump's plan or you can create this World War III scenario where people that are sympathetic to the Iranian cause support them, and then those who are sympathetic to the Israeli cause, which is only the United States, by the way, because Europe has separated themselves from it. 100%. So it's Israel's back themselves into the corner with sort of their extreme positioning on this. Because sorry, this the the West sensibilities to killing human life is very sensitive. So that's why they call what you're doing in Gaza a genocide. That's why they call what you're doing in Lebanon a genocide. You argue it's not a genocide, but then your one of your ministers is going, for every one, I want a thousand. You're like, huh. That kind of sounds like a genocide.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Well, it's interesting. Back in the Iraq war, I can clearly remember Italy tanks ripping through Iraq there at the the behest of the Americans. I remember the the Britain being there. I remember all of the flags of our allies being there on the ground, figuring this thing out, going to win this war back when being an ally meant that you stood side by side with one another. Uh-huh. Trump is now calling out Italy yesterday saying, You're pathetic. Where were you? You failed to defend Europe. Well, what did I just say? They're squeamish.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

Well, they're extremely squeamish. Because it was a bunch of horse shit. And then it caused the mass migration effect into Europe, where like look at Europe. It displaced basically the Middle East into Europe. So the Europeans want nothing to do with Middle East adventure adventurism. Adventurism. What is this fucking Disneyland? Well, yeah, it is basically.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

I mean, dude, it's like they are the closest ones to the conflict.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Yes, absolutely, which is why they maybe should have had a more nuanced conversation with Trump about what his plans and goals and objectives were. Maybe they didn't offer that, maybe they didn't articulate it, but that's one of those things where you give up, you possibly give up the element of surprise if you're going, hey, everyone, let's get together and have a meeting about what I'm gonna secretly try to do in Iran. So I get it, but at the same time, you gotta you you gotta hold them accountable because you can you can now see now that the moves that Trump has made, and now he's lost, as everyone's saying, but he achieved his objectives, and the main objective is the nuclear weapon that they didn't want, and the funding of terrorism. That's ultimately, I mean, it makes sense, right? Because then now why are we even in the Middle East? If you get rid of the Iranian nuclear and terror threat, now you don't need America, world police in the Middle East, right? Essentially, now the local players can actually work within each within each other to resolve issues instead of just lobbing missiles at each other and chanting genocidal rhetoric. So it's I get it, but for for the Italians, maybe they're looking at it like, whoa, dude, what are we doing over here? Because I mean, Trump put in them, he did a shock and awe campaign, and it was probably very alarming to everyone. Whoa, this is crazy. We're we're gonna have a full-on war, boots on the ground. That's what everyone was saying. If you listen to the the podcast sphere.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Whoa, this is crazy. Trump's stepping in to avoid us getting fucking obliterated with a nuclear bomb on our country because we're one of the first in the pathway. Yeah, but that's that's hindsight. But to the people that say Trump is arrogant or that the world is laughing at him, is it so laughable that he's stepping up to defend your worthless nations that can't put one foot in front of the other to defend yourselves? They're acting like the UK as a whole. They're saying we don't care for our personal security. We don't want to be called Islamophobes, we don't want to be called racists, we don't want to go to war.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

This is exactly this is the difference between principles and pragmatism. That's why principled people don't get shit done. And pragmatists actually look at the situation, the realities on the ground and go, okay, what is the best way forward through this quagmire? Everyone's like Trump's dragging us into a quagmire. News flash, we're already in the we're we're waist deep in the quagmire and have been for a very long time, and he's actually trying to get us out of the quagmire.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Maybe this is the dangerous thing about Donald Trump. He's been on the record saying that while he is a Christian, he doesn't believe he's gonna be going to heaven because of the things that he's had to do. And maybe that's the dangerous thing about him is that he is, he does believe in God, but he believes that he had to do things for the betterment of society, at least the American people. Well, I truly believe it's for the whole world. Well not just for the American people.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

I've always argued that he's more he is a he is like a biblical character, like uh like the kings or the judges, where he's very flawed.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

You can't be making don't be making assertions that Trump is like a king on this show. Oh, what do you mean? We can't be giving in to the Democrats.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like a king. Well, I mean, if you look at the only real power that a president has is his foreign war-making power, because he doesn't really have any power domestically because of all the checks and balances that we have with the judiciary and the legislative branch. But that's besides the point. That it's it's he is single-handedly reordering the international order, and he's recentering because we're the international order, basically, it's just this institutionalized idea that the West is in decline, and so we just need to manage the the decline, and then the rising power of China will will take over. And so you have all the elites shifting over their resources so that they're fine, but then us poor people, we can we can be left-handed holding the bag. And Trump is saying, no, absolutely not. That that is not gonna happen. We are going to actually maybe maybe he loses, maybe his big gambit loses. But what was the all other alternative? Kamala Harris and continued decline and flooding our borders? That's and that's that's getting back to Tucker Carlson. What's the alternative, dude? Because the Democrats have lost their mind. It's funny, people think because I support Trump, uh automatically uh must be a conservative, but I've I've done my political compass test, I've actually done the footwork, I know where I stand, I'm a left-leaning libertarian, but I caucus with the conservatives because I can actually have a conversation over there, and it it's actually based in reality, not in this nonsense where men can get pregnant. You know what I mean? That's that's the alternative. Socialists and feminists that have wrecked the Democrat Party Yeah, with with ideology. And it's like where where does my liberal libertarian view where does that align with the Democrats? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 31:40

Like it aligned with the Democrats back in 1990 when they shared those views with you. Yeah. And they left you back there, and they left you no other choice but to join the the Republican Party.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

So why do why am I with the Republicans? Because of my libertarian values. That's why I'm with, not necessarily my left-leaning, obviously. That's where because I'm not as extreme when it comes to views on gay marriage and drug and all that good stuff, and Ivy IVF, and and that's why I mean then it's pretty funny. You're like, if you actually would probably do Donald Trump's political compass test, he's probably left-leaning.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Oh, geez. I mean, the guy, he's the first president to come in and openly advocate for gay marriage. He's the first president to come in and openly assign openly gay members of his cabinet to some of the highest positions of the cabinet. And women. And women. I mean, he puts he puts members of the LGBT community in high positions of power. He puts women in high positions of power. I mean, look at Tulsi Gabber, director of natural intelligence. I mean, yeah, Scott Bassent. Come on. These people don't want to give in to anything that that Trump has done for their communities.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Well, they're because they are stuck in these cults of personality. It's the same thing. Okay, that that's that's the best part because it's what is it? Projection, confession through projection, right? So it's life is like a mirror. Everything that you're putting out there is actually just a reflection of who you are. So anytime you're seeing someone that's attacking another person, it's mostly that own judgment that they feel on the inside that they're just projecting out onto the world. And so you see the left calling the Israelis a bunch of genocidal maniacs, but then look at their behavior. I mean, how is it not genocidal to want to castrate your children and to force them into puberty blockers to where they can't actually have any offspring? You know what I mean? It's like that suicidal empathy sort of thing. It's just a different flavor. You know what I mean? And I lost my train of thought on that one, so take over.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

Well, just getting back to the suicidal empathy that we have nowadays, it's like nobody wants to be at war with Iran because nobody wants to see uh lives lost. Everyone and I am like that too very much after I became a father. I was very much okay, we don't need to go in and just carpet bomb Iran and just cause, you know, devastate the entire nation and start from scratch. Like that's probably a bad idea. Yep. That's that's a very Zionist approach, I would say. Yes. Right? Just level the entire country and restart, maybe install a new government. Bad idea.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

Yeah, we'll look at what Trump did. He only targeted the military installations. It was only military. And then he did threaten.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Well, he did he remember he he got the all-girl school next to the military installation that on one of those bombing campaigns, how terrible that was. And you're like, well, that's an interesting take because who also puts a all-girl school next to a military base? Yeah, I know. It's not a very smart idea, and some would argue, oh, well, we've got schools for our children on our American.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

It's just a tactic. That's that's their ta that's a it's a guerrilla terrorist tactic that they use. And yeah, that's very unfortunate. It so that for sure did happen, the girls' school thing. Like a hundred percent fact, that's not just a bunch of nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

No, it's not nonsense. It did happen, but I can't say that I don't know for sure. I don't I don't believe there was uh kids attending the school at that time. That's the one thing I don't I can't attest to. I don't know. And I don't think they just completely annihilated a bunch of little elementary school or school-age girls next to that military installation.

SPEAKER_02 35:27

Of course not. I mean, the the pains that the US military goes through to avoid civilian casualties. Right. It's it obviously they don't do that, like you said. Who puts a military or puts a children's school next to a military installation? One that's hoping that if you target this military installation, you hit that and we have propaganda against you.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Okay, so let me get to this the the big question of this all. So we have this memorandum of understanding, no new capabilities for Iran, and we're we're essentially gonna try to stop the the terror in the Middle East. Okay, those are two big things. I mean, we don't want nuclear bombs in the the hands of these terror maniacs, and we just don't want any more terror attacks, which that that would be a blessing, obviously. If they abandon this agreement, what happens next? More of the same?

SPEAKER_02 36:20

Well, honestly, I think all that has to happen next, like if I'm thinking if I'm I'm in the power, what I would do is I would just restart the blockade and I would then airstrike all the reconstituted military or missile inst installations. Right? And then let's uh let's just go back to where we were before the signing of the memorama memorandum of understanding. And then if they want to do, then we can do a tit for tat sort of like lawn mowing the lawn sort of thing, and then just let nature take its course. Because if you can't fund your government and you can't fund your economy, well, guess what's gonna happen? Inevitable collapse, which is why the IRGC is being sidelined because they want that. They see this as a retreat. That's what people don't understand. They don't see what the IRGC is saying, and they're not happy about this. But the pragmatists in the government that aren't happy about it either, they would like to, but the realities on the ground are the realities on the ground. You know what I mean? They're their oil capacity is completely full, they gotta shut down all their oil drilling sites, and that's how they make their money, anyways. So it's just one of those things, and then it you kind of have this kind of cat and mouse game in the shadows with the banking system. I think we seized upwards of ten billion dollars in like crypto and stuff like that from them, Scott Bissent found. So it's like you just go back to where you where you were, and then yeah, sure, you're always gonna have the narrative, but whatever.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

I think the first step, if if they abandon this agreement and they do anything to act out in terror or continue to the pursuit of nuclear capabilities, is we ought to just send the full, full force of the American military over into the Strait of Hormuz, take over the the Persian Gulf, the Gulf of Oman, and we take control over the Strait of Hormuz completely. And we make it an operation that's operated by the United States. We collect the tolls, we say who's who's open, we say when it's closed, and we that's essentially the blockade. You you lose, you you lose the right to control this. That is literally one of the bottlenecks of the world. And so why would the United States not controlled?

SPEAKER_02 38:40

They didn't have control to begin with. So they never they never had a right to control. They're just asserting that right to control because of the war, and that was kind of their one of their points of leverage in negotiations.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

So then why why give these psycho terrors, terrorists, this control back over this bottleneck?

SPEAKER_02 38:59

Well, you're not giving them control back at all. Seems like it. All they can do, yeah, sure. But see, that's what they think. They it's no what they're doing is is they're basically putting a gun to the head of every ship captain and saying, you pay us or you don't pass through. You know what I mean? And then so how are they collecting tolls? It's all happening over the internet. And so Trump is like, sure, for all the tolls, we're just gonna take that money, because guess what? We know how to take the money from you. And that's what Scott Bissent was already doing. So they're like they're like trying to do this transaction internet banking, and we're just like, thank you. Yep, we'll take that, we'll take that. So that's why it's like they like the Iranians are completely backed into a corner here, and that's like you don't have to do this whole crazy thing. You're just like a bow constrictor, you just let nature take its course. If you take off the the bloodline, which is the oil flow, and then you eliminate their ability to project power, which is the missiles, which we proved, because they reconstituted everything, and then in two nights we took it all out again. And then all of a sudden they're announcing, okay, hey, we're gonna sign this agreement. Well, why is that? Because they just spent all that time and effort rebuilding their military power, and we took it out in two twenty forty-eight hours. So, how do we make Americans happy moving forward? You never make Americans happy. What the fuck are you talking about? I mean, we are the most entitled people in the world. I mean, look at what what the Europeans coming over for the World Cup are showing us. They're excited about a fucking buckies. And ranch dip. Yeah, and ranch dip and Chick-fil-A sandwiches, and and we're crying the blues over here. It's actually I mean, I mean, that's the biggest problem with Americans are we're fat, we're lazy, and we're entitled. It's that's against what even built our nation before. The only thing you were entitled to was your effort. And now it's well, you gotta pay for my schooling, you gotta pay for my child care, you gotta give me a universal basic income, you gotta pay for my food. Did I already say that? You gotta pay for my education.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

You gotta let illegals vote in our elections. Yep, gotta let the illegals vote in the elections because no human is illegal and they contribute to the our it's like and man, I'm sorry, just on a quick note, I'm very excited, honestly, for these next 60 days, the next two months here to see what evolves and transpires out of Iran. But I'm also looking forward to November coming up because we will see officially if we are gonna tell all of California that we were right, that Los Angeles Angelinos are crazy and we're all trying to allow for illegals to vote in our elections because they passed it in LA City Council to put it on the November ballot. Exactly. So we're gonna see. We're gonna see if you guys were all wrong that they didn't want nobody wants non-citizens voting in our elections. Nope, Karen Bass did it, you guys. So we're gonna definitely see come November, and as we draw closer to November, we're also gonna see where this Iran war develops and what it turns into. And I think there's some pretty, it's not exciting at all. It's actually pretty terrifying, but there's gonna be quite a few things that are gonna transpire here in the next few months and before the end of the year, and we're gonna have to see where it all where it all leads to. Absolutely. So I think until then, we'll have to sit on it, see what news transpires, and we'll catch everybody on the next episode of the Spark Show. Any last comments before we take off, Cam?

SPEAKER_02 42:24

Well, I already know what's gonna happen with the LA getting illegals to vote. We'll see that it loses on election night, and it miraculously finds all the votes that it needed to pass after a month of counting votes. That's what's gonna happen. Any foresight on what's gonna happen with Steve Hilton? Same thing. He'll win on election night, and then it'll be announced that Basada found the votes. Because that's just the way it works, because the Democrats built the system and it works to their advantage every single time. And anytime America or Americans, anytime Republicans try to play there at their own game, they send the Secretary of State after 'em.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

All right. Well, you heard it here first on the Spark Show, everybody. More to come. We'll be talking with you guys on episode fourteen. Should have one rolling out on Sunday. Until then, we'll catch you next time.