Ep: 21 THE BOARDROOM POP UP PODCAST

Wild Growth for Women: The Boardroom Popup Podcast

Join host Bridget Brooks as she sits down with four powerhouse women who are taking the stage at Wild Growth for Women's Boardroom Edition summit. In this episode, each speaker shares their journey, their expertise, and a preview of what attendees can expect.

Featured Guests:

• Jennifer Meyer (Consider Jennifer) — A speaker and leadership strategist focused on personal accountability. Jennifer breaks down how to put your own oxygen mask on first and lead yourself purposefully so you can show up at your best for others.

📩 jennifer@considerjennifer.com | 🌐 considerjennifer.com | 📸 @considerjennifer

• Annette Bauer (Annette Bauer Creative) — A marketing professional, photographer, and creative director with 30+ years of experience helping brands grow through strategic visual storytelling — from the automotive industry and beyond.

📩 annettebauercreative@gmail.com | 🌐 annettebauercreative.com | 📸 @annettebauercreative

• Ronit Schwartz (Aryeh Strategic Partners) — A former pediatric nurse turned COO who brings a care-first approach to business strategy. Ronit shares how clarity, empathy, and bedside-to-boardroom thinking can transform the way you run your business.

📩 rschwartz@aryehstrategicpartners.com | 🌐 aryehstrategicpartners.com | 📸 @aryeh_strategic_partners

• Conny Twomey (Work with Conny) — Joining all the way from Germany, Conny is a social media and online marketing expert who helps entrepreneurs monetize their passions and develop the mindset to reach the next level.

📩 conny@workwconny.com | 🌐 workwconny.com/social | 📸 @workwithconny

The conversation dives into what women struggle with most in business — from confidence and imposter syndrome to cognitive load and the mental weight of "doing it all." The speakers share candid, vulnerable perspectives on midlife awakenings, chasing purpose over titles, and why care is strategic leverage in the boardroom.

🎟️ Tickets to the Boardroom Edition summit are $89 at https://wildgrowthforwomensummit.com/wild-growth — or ask any of our speakers for their discount code!

Transcript

Welcome & Speaker Introductions

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to the Wild Growth for Women, the Boardroom Pop-Up Podcast. You guys, I am so excited for today. I'm your host, Bridget Brooks, and today we have two incredible women here who are joining us on the stage at Wild Growth for Women, the Boardroom Edition, next Thursday, March 19th. So I want to just give you a quick introduction of each woman. First, we have Jennifer, and Jennifer is a speaker leader strategist who helps leaders stop trying to hold everything together before burnout takes everything apart. And then we have Annette, and she is a founder and creative director and a marketing professional embroidery photographer with more than 30 years experience helping the automotive and motorsports industry grow through strategic marketing and visual storytelling. Ladies, welcome so much. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Thank you. We're all excited. Jennifer, we can start with you.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Like you said, I'm a speaker and focused a lot on leadership, specifically focused on personal accountability and personal leadership. So a lot of what I'm going to be talking about and what I do talk about in my keynotes and breakout sessions is how to make sure that you are showing up well for you first, so that you are at your best for the things that you want to take care of and be responsible for. My primary program is called I've Got You. And I believe firmly that the human experience is better when we are doing it together. But I also know that if we don't know how to lead ourselves purposefully through our own life, what we bring to others and other environments is never as good as it could be. And so I talk a lot about what that looks like in very practical terms. How to show up for yourself that that phrase, putting your own oxygen mask on first, how to really do that in actionable ways without getting lost in all of the noise and strategies that you can find on the internet today, because we're there's just so much noise. That's a lot of what I talk about.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

I love that so much. And put your own oxygen mask on first. Hello, it doesn't get any clearer than that, right? And go ahead and introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Hi, my name is Annette Bauer, and I am the founder and creative director of Annette Bauer Creative. Historically, my brand has really focused a lot in the automotive space. That's been my passion, my love of life. And I really help brands understand how they can create better visuals for their marketing and for their storytelling. That is a very important asset for me. I really want to help the industry grow and I want to strengthen the industry. But even beyond that, what I will be sharing in the boardroom edition is this doesn't just apply to motorsports. The techniques and the suggestions and advice that I offer really do talk more to every industry. Because I think as brands, it's really easy for companies to get lost in the I can have my niece do it, or I can just take some photos with my cell phone and not taking anything away from that because there is value there. But I also want the audience and my clients to really step back and think about the longevity of that and the professionalism of it. So coming to the table with really authentic visuals for your brand is super important. And I'll definitely be touching more on that. I've spent a great deal of time in the industry, both racing myself behind the camera and building strategies and community information for my industry.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Awesome. Love that so much. Thank you so much, Annette. And you know what, you guys, as we were talking, we had two of our other speakers just pop in. I am so excited for this. So I'm gonna go ahead and hand the microphone right over to Ronit. Ronit, just introduce yourself, what you'll be speaking about at the boardroom next Thursday, and what our audience can expect to learn from you.

SPEAKER_02 4:26

Hi. I apologize for the delay. Technical difficulties, but we are right on track. It's fine.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

It happens to all of us.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

For sure. So my name is Ronnie Schwartz. My story is a little bit of a sort of not straight path to where I currently am. I started out as a career as a bedside nurse, and I currently now am a COO of a financial firm. And my path was very much a pivot turn, pivot turn due to a lot of amazing opportunities that were presented to me. I went from the bedside to managerial to leadership to quality to a C-suite executive in a huge health system in New York and was able to build units outside of my own. And it exposed me to so many other areas, but still the foundation of what I was doing at the bedside has always maintained and stayed true. And I found that no matter what position I held, no matter what extra degree I got, because I kept on going back to school because I felt that imposter syndrome. Every time I would step into a new role, I felt that I needed to justify and validate that I knew what I was talking about, even though my experience should have spoken for itself. It was something that I had to conquer and something that I talked to a lot of people about, that imposter syndrome, which is a good thing. I think it breaks boundaries and it lets you grow beyond where you are. And then when I left the hospital system and decided to venture out on my own, I joined my husband in his firm that he had opened up, thinking there is so much to be done that is in business that is a little different than just the numbers game. And I was constantly being a part of his business and giving advice on business growth and strategies using what I learned as an executive in the hospital and applying it to restaurants, hospitality businesses, medical practices, law firms. It didn't matter the industry. I was able to really pivot and understand that there is really three big key takeaways that I learned throughout my career that spans over 20 years. And that the first thing is that care is the fundamental model of how I wanted to do business. And so I branched out with my husband and created our firm REA strategic partners because we wanted to be partners with our clients. And care, which stood for me, not just caring about people from the bedside, because I was a pediatric nurse at heart and still am, always will be. It was about providing that consistency and resilience and empathy that I thought every business owner needed. And so in the presentation, I'm hoping to relay that bedside to the boardroom. It sounds like completely two different fields, but to be quite honest, I'm able to really hone in on intuitive things that the business owner might not see. And I'm also able to understand the stories behind them that could help them in their strategies and growth. So for me, number one, and I'm what I'm hoping to impact on your audience, is that clarity is power. Understanding your numbers, understanding your business model is probably the most important thing. Whether I was opening up a new unit or whether I was rolling out a new change affect in the hospital, I had to know everything about it. I had to know the numbers. And without that, I couldn't move forward. And then empathy, number two. Empathy is not weakness. A lot of people used to say that care is a four-letter word in the boardroom. I don't believe that. I think that it's actually strategic leverage. I am able to care for my clients and do a little bit of hand holding and allow them to explore how they can get beyond where they're stationary and think a little bit bigger because somebody's actually there pushing them along and caring for them. And then in the end, I really want to impactfully say that you don't have to lose what we all as women have, which is a little bit of softness to enter boardrooms. I used to be the last person when I first started getting into boardrooms to sit in the back or in the side and never really understanding that in order to have a seat at the table was a priority because I was still holding on to so much of the reserve, the imposter syndrome. But I could still be who I was, which was a nurse deep in, and still sit at the bedside at the table of the boardroom and still express what was the most priority and ethically and morally stand up for what I believe in the boardroom. And I was actually respected for it. So I'm not saying it's a perfect world where, of course, you know, the good old happy, happy unicorns and everything and business is a really difficult world. Sometimes I'm brought in for people who are at their end of days of the business world, which of course is very different than when people are at their end of days of their living world. And I had to be able to still provide that same level of care to both those two vastly different clients of mine. So I'm really excited. I'm really looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

I love it. And I think there's something that you said that I want to just really pull out and make sure our audience hears because it's so important. You said care is strategic leverage. And that is really the truth. And if like more business owners looked at it as strategic leverage, everybody would be implementing it. So thank you so much for that. Connie, we're gonna hand the microphone right over to you. I would love for you to introduce yourself, tell your our audience what they can expect to hear from you next Thursday.

SPEAKER_04 10:40

Hi, Bridget. It is great to hear you again and we're in Coast Germany, guys.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

It's international. We have our first speaker, our first international speaker, and that is Connie coming in from Germany.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

Exactly. And thank you, Ron. That was a really interesting way to get to know you as well. So I have a somewhat similar history there because I was in the medical device industry, and my path is also super winding, where I always thought, okay, academia is it for me. I love numbers, I love data, I love to analyze things. From there, I went into medical device development, love to climb the corporate ladder. But I also realized that while that served me really well for a couple of years, once I had kids, there were the very long hours, the 60-hour weeks, the travel, I wasn't seeing my kids anymore. And there was the burnout that came with it. And while at some point this career fulfilled me a lot, I also realized that it wasn't it for me anymore. And that comes with this internal feeling of yes, there was the imposter syndrome, climbing the corporate ladder, but there was also the feeling of what did I get myself into? And why is this career that I chose in my late 20s not fulfilling me anymore? And where do I want to go moving forward? And so I went into marketing. I always loved marketing. I went into yet a different one, which was usability and making sure things are really user-friendly. And after that, there was a time when while I was overperforming, I hit a level where management was threatened by that, which was a very interesting thing. And so I always say the good old boys club is alive and well. And as an outspoken German female with a lot of degrees, I didn't fit in because I spoke up about the things that weren't done right. And I was fired. And so while this was one of those things that hit me for a moment, I also literally that day recorded a video of myself saying, it's gonna be okay because I'm gonna rise up and I'm gonna rise up stronger and with something that actually fulfills me. Fortunately, I had a husband that said, okay, take that time, like figure out what you want to do. And I was already exploring the online world because I realized that while marketing is amazing and you can do that with every company there is, online marketing is a very different industry. However, there are also a billion people on social media every single day, and they're looking for how to fix my bike, how to bake the sourdough, how to monetize the candles that I'm making in my garage. And once you realize that you can monetize your passions, your gifts, your talents with social media, it opens up this entirely new area where you can literally reach anyone around the world with your reels, with your posts, with your messages, with summits like these, because I'm also a summit expert and I love creating them, I love hosting them, and I love bringing speakers together that are really impactful because we need to work together more and simply share our messages more. And so that is what I have pivoted into. And it absolutely fulfills me and I love it because I get to help people that are passionate about what they do, men and women, doesn't matter. But what I also realized with it is that so many times your own mind is what's holding you back. Because if your mind can hold the next level, if your mind can hold the, oh, where's the next paycheck coming from? Because now I'm making my own paycheck. Where is the next client coming from? If you can't hold that uncertainty and just move forward with the faith that it's gonna work out because it's you, then there's a lack. And so that's really what I'm helping a lot of my clients with to really work on that mindset to create that that next level income, create that next level you and rise up so much stronger with it. And that's it. Period.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

Love, love that. You said that we need to work together more and we need to help each other more. And that actually leads me to a question that I have for all three of you, and it's really just gonna be like rapid fire style. So don't be scared to just speak up and tell us what you think. But the first question is of course, now I lost it. Good thing I have an editor that will just edit all this out.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

Where'd my question go, guys? When there's a break in the flow, because I'm asking for responses or engagement, that I'm gonna start bringing music to Jeopardy with me while we're waiting.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

It'll I do have to say, Connie, listening to you talk, I was like, oh, we should just make one big firm that has all this in it, all the things, right?

SPEAKER_04 15:22

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

And here's my question for you, ladies is that most of us are in this digital space and in the space working with other female business owners and entrepreneurs. What is the one thing that you see women struggle more with? Is it balancing it all or is it bringing the money to the table? I'll go first for me on this.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

It isn't any of those. It's the confidence to be able to do it, to get over the self-doubt that, like Rona said, I'm not good enough. Definitely having that internal monologue of challenge, we see a lot of men do really well in our industries, but I think that's a really big one is just that confidence to go out and say, I can do this, I know I bring value.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

What's interesting that across the board, psychologists see that at roundabout middle school, right before kid girls enter high school is when confidence happens. And nobody's quite been able to pinpoint exactly why it happens, but pretty predictive, I'm confident. I don't care about anybody that anything attitude in young girls in elementary school. And then something happens right as they're getting ready to hit puberty, and their confidence does dip. And a lot of attention is being paid in the field of psychology right now, trying to understand why and what to do in order to bounce that back up in a way that's healthy. So I would have to agree with Annette there. I really think that's one of the biggest challenges. I and I think some of that is conditioned. I think we're raised with a certain amount of expectation on how we're supposed to behave and how we're supposed to engage with the world around us and what our responsibilities are supposed to be, instead of figuring out young what we want our responsibilities to be and how to engage with them.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

And if we could just get young girls, like I'm thinking of my daughter, Bridge, you and I were talking about our daughters, right? Getting my daughter to understand, girlfriend, you own that space. Yeah, straighten your tiara, walk in there like the badass you are, and know that you have a right to be in the room.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

I think it kind of plays into mindfulness, and mindfulness, I feel like I didn't even get exposed to mindfulness or affirmations or anything of the sort until I was in my 30s. Yeah.

unknown 17:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

I want to tag off of what Jennifer's saying, just real quick, because I think you get a super important part here, is that we go through this process, right? Like I am 51 right now, and I am at this period in my life where I am no longer concerned. I literally give zero bleeps about chasing titles or chasing money. What I care about now is chasing time, right? To have that freedom. And as we grow up, like we never get that message. We I just always go, you gotta be this, you have to earn that. You have all these like stipulations on your life of things that you're supposed to achieve by a certain time frame. But I think it's super important, like what you'd mentioned, Jennifer. Like it's such a thing to say, like, you don't have to know exactly what you want to do and exactly where you want to be by a certain time frame. Cause I can tell you right now, just like what we talked about before we started, this little episode is I'm 51 and I'm literally getting ready to go through like the final steps of a rebrand for my company, because at this point in my life, that light bulb has come on, and I'm like, I get it. I know why I'm here, I know what my purpose is, and I know what I'm supposed to do. But it took me to get here, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 19:12

We think that I'm and I always struggled with the phrase life is a journey. And I had a spiritual mentor once say to me, You have to engage in life as almost as if it's a choose your own adventure novel, and put yourself in the headspace where there's not a there's not a mistake here. There are learning opportunities, and I know that's cliche and trite, and especially when you're young, you don't want to hear that shit, but it's real, and you just you need to know that every decision that you make and every choice you decide to go into is giving you information to clarify what it is that you really want. And when you come at it from that space, you don't have the same kind of pressure otherwise. I think we're getting away from your original concept.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Oh, you're gonna definitely jump in and share what you have to add to it, Connor.

SPEAKER_04 20:10

Yeah, no, I really like what Annette was saying because I agree that it takes a lot of trial and error, if you want to say it that way, to figure out what you want to do. And I like that because the phrase that really resonates with me lately is it's not a midlife crisis, it's a midlife awakening. It's this time where you're choosing yourself, and I'm not choosing just the money anymore, I'm choosing connection, I'm choosing values that align with mine. And sometimes it means working hours that are crazy, but other times it also means deciding to just have a matcha at Wednesday at 10 a.m. and do me. And so that's not something you will ever get in your corporate job. And so it really comes down to yeah, priorities, I think. But coming back to your original question too, I think it matters if you have a family or not, because as a woman, if you have that mental load of also running a full-on household, I think that adds a lot. And that can definitely contribute to your nervous system, your thoughts about yes, all of it.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Yeah, everything I actually think it's so funny that this oh, go ahead. Sorry. I actually studied this exact thing, Connie. One of my um biggest the cognitive load. So I actually studied about this, and we actually did a study with nurses. Obviously, that was the world I lived in for about 17 years before pivoting. And then in the last 10, I've been here. But the cognitive load when a nurse gets an order for a med to when she actually delivers the med, that could be a process of about 16 minutes. In that 16 minutes, there are all these demands that go up and up and restack her priorities. Same women, especially moms who have families or If you have your caregiver for your parents or somebody else, there's this cognitive load that keeps restacking, reprioritizing. And it actually, when we did our research, it actually showed that it only takes 16 times for that load to restack, reprioritize for something to fall off. And then when something falls off, now we've lost, we're like, oh my God, how did I drop the ball on something like that? And that is the difference that I'm finding with my female clients as opposed to my male clients. They don't, their cognitive load is so different than my family, or have other things going on besides their business. And that restacking, reprioritization, men do it very differently than women do. And I'm not in the digital world. I am a hundred percent with my patients with my clients. See, I'm still in the patient world always. And so for me, I see that I'm with them physically and I see them. I have a current client who's building a space actually for women. It's called Be Seen. And she found that when she had little kids, she really struggled to do things because she had to take care of where her kids were going to be while she went to work out or while she went to work or while she got her hair done or her nails done. So she's creating a space like that where there'll be a supervised play area while moms can be doing all these things and be seen.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

I need a space right now. I need the space for my four-year-old son, please.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

I was like, where were you 20 years ago? Because I have a 22-year-old and a 19-year-old, and I struggled. I really did struggle so much. And I didn't want to change who I was. And every time that my career pivoted, I had to act as if, right? I might not have known what I was doing, but I had to act as if I knew what I was doing. And that brought in a whole new world of the imposter syndrome. And that's back to it, Bridget, to go back to your question. What I am seeing with my female clients specifically is that cognitive load, and then they feel inadequate because they weren't able to do it. And giving them the support to be able to continue and move forward is what I'm finding, while still having them understand that experiences are such a valid part of life and trust your experiences because they, even though you think, oh, but I didn't, I wasn't a business owner. How can I be a business owner? But your life experiences have led you to this point. Trust what you do know because everything is interwined.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

I love it. I absolutely love it. Okay, next question. And Connie, I think I want you to start this one. If you were sitting across the table from a woman who was stuck at six figures and can't break through, what's the first thing you would tell her?

SPEAKER_04 24:56

You were doing amazing. Because when is the last time that someone has actually said something really positive? And I've had that before with my clients, where so many times we we hear these words, we hear a compliment, we have someone hold the door open for us and we rush through it and we're like, oh yeah, no, it's nothing, it's fine. No, take it in. Just sit there, take a moment and say thank you and smile and just accept that. Because so many times we sorry for my language, we suck at receiving. Because when do we get positive feedback about what we're doing? When do we get, and I don't necessarily love the word praise, but when do we get this feel-good moment from someone else without it being judgmental in any way? So I would first of all make sure that they are okay where they are, that it's not something where they feel like they're not enough, that they aren't playing too small. Like they are doing amazing. And now let's figure out okay, how are your back ends working? What business is it? What could we do as a B2B? Is it B2C? Do we need to work on strategy? Do we need to use the back ends? Do we need to work on messaging? We can go in so many different directions. But let's first of all just take a moment and say what you're doing is great. And now let's figure out how to get you even further.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

I love it. Who else wants to answer that?

SPEAKER_02 26:19

I'm the numbers person. So yes, I was waiting for you to chime in. I knew you had something. Number one thing, right? It's understanding the clarity. The care starts with knowing what you have. And so clarity is truly powerful. Let's look at the numbers. I agree with you, Connie. Validation of where you are and what you've built, first and foremost, I agree. But now let's look. You have to understand what the numbers actually mean. Revenue doesn't necessarily mean that you're successful, right? So what is it exactly that is going on? Is the marketing producing something? Is are we spending too much on something else? What is going really well? Where is the revenue stream coming from that's extremely successful? And how do you increase that? But without understanding what you've done to get to that 100,000 bottom line, you have to understand the top line and go through number by number. And that's what I do with every one of my clients. When I built units, I couldn't just create it without some kind of system of understanding what the cost value was and what the return on investment was. And the same goes for every business. So you have to understand your numbers first and foremost. And if you don't, that's okay to bring in people who can help you understand and don't take a back seat to those people. I find that a lot of people will turn to me and say, okay, you're just gonna do all that. I want you to understand where we're going and what we're doing in order to have you be able to grow from it. So I really push, and that's one thing, I meet with every client on a monthly basis to go over the last month financials. What worked really great. Let's compare it to a year ago. Let's compare it to six months ago. Let's set a goal for six months from now based upon where you're at right now. So clarity is power. You got to 100K. What's your next goal? Okay, let's take a look at the numbers in order to get to it.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

I love that. I with all my clients, especially when we're talking about ads, because you have to talk about the return on investment when it comes to ads, right? We reverse engineer all of it and we start at their endpoint. What are you looking to get from it? Okay, we know that you have to have this many visitors before there's a purchase, and you have to have this many purchases before there. So I love it. I love it. Jennifer, did you want to chime in on this?

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Actually, and I will be brief here because the other two points, Connie and Ronnie, you mentioned are spot on and really important to look at and focus on. But I would um I have a tendency to do this with folks. My first question would be why do you want more? What is your real end goal? What is to not that you shouldn't have it, but do you have clarity on why you're chasing it? Like, it is there a reason that you need it? Is it internal validation? Is it wanting to be able to travel to Italy? Is it and look, no wrong answers. There is no reason to feel bad about it, but make sure you have the clarity on why you're looking for the outcome that you're looking for. You talk about starting at the end in mind, which is exactly where I would go. But the real end is what is the motivation behind wanting to hit the next goal? Why is the next goal important? Because, and the reason I think that matters is because when we are clearer on our internal motivation, on why it is that we're chasing something, it becomes easier to have the discipline in order to make the choices that we need to make in order to execute on getting to where we want to go. And I think that's a critical piece that often we miss. And we're talking about mind mindfulness. Mindfulness begins with clarity on yourself and why you want what you want. And again, no, no shame in any choice. Like I like eating at Michelin-starred restaurants. I want to make that kind of money. I enjoy flying first class. Girl, do your thing, bust ass and make it happen. But be clear and honest with yourself about why the goal matters and what it is that you're really chasing.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Yes, I love it. I love it. Ladies, this has been so much fun, so insightful. Before we go today, I just want each of you to jump back on, let our listeners know where they can reach you at on your socials and your website, and then we will wrap it up. I'll go.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Perfect. So everyone can find me everywhere online at Consider Jennifer. That is the name of my business, is Consider Jennifer. So you can find me. I'm most active on LinkedIn, but I am also on Instagram and Facebook, and I have a little YouTube channel. So anywhere at all, my website is considergennifer.com. If you put that in, you will find me. So excited to connect with everybody. All of this stuff has been great. Awesome. I will go next.

SPEAKER_04 31:22

You can find me on Instagram and Facebook under work with Connie, and that's with a why. And then LinkedIn, Connie to me. I'm not that active on LinkedIn since my main area of interest is social, but you can definitely find me on those two, and I would love to connect as well.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Last but not least, you can find me on socials on REA Strategic Partners. That is my firm's site. I am proudly the majority owner as a woman owner. Um so I'm very proud of it. I'm also very active on LinkedIn, and that's under my name, Renee Schwartz, which is also tied in with the business, REASTRegicpartners.com. And honestly, I am so excited to connect. I love being a part of sharing the vision that you all have because now you have brought me more tools to use with my clients as well.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

So to me, this is what it is all about, my dear. Yes, that is what it is all about. Annette had to leave us just a little bit early to take care of some of her clients. So if you guys are looking to connect with Annette, you can reach her at AnnetteBauerCreative.com. I am your host, Bridget Brooks. This is what we do it for. Thank you. This is what we do it for. This is why Wild Growth for Women exists. Safe rooms for women to scale, to speak, and to have a voice. And I just want to remind our audience if you haven't gotten your ticket yet to the boardroom, they are$89. And you can go to our website, www.wildgrowth for women's summits.com. And if you happen to know one of our speakers today, tap them on the shoulder for their discount code. Stay wild, stay rooted, and we'll see you next time. Bye.