Joanne McNally

Ilana meets the Irish stand-up comedy and podcast sensation Joanne McNally for the first time and they hit it off! These two colleagues (turned fast friends) trade notes on the standup experience, which for Joanne spans tiny underground clubs to the sold out 3Arena in Ireland this December. Joanne discusses the hit podcast she cohosts My Therapist Ghosted Me, her new live show Pinotphile, and how to best go about having a kid - potentially.

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Host: Ilana Glazer
Producers: David Rooklin, Annika Carlson, Madeline Kim, Kelsie Kiley, Glennis Meagher
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Editor: Tovah Leibowitz
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Outro Music: Don Hur

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Transcript

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Welcome to It's Open with Ilana Glazer. Oh, I just had so much fun interviewing this new guest who is now my friend. I love her. I love her already. I live for Brilliant Women, and she is one. She is a huge standup who tours arenas all around the UK and Europe, and she is the co-host of the very successful podcast. My therapist ghosted me. I'm laughing because literally her therapist ghosted her. She's hysterical and so smart and sharp. Her name is Joanne McNally and she's one of the queens of comedy over in the uk, and I am actually touring in the UK in July. So just to let you know, if you're in the UK and you want to come hang, I will be in Bristol on July 4th, London on July 5th, Glasgow, July 7th, Manchester July 8th, and Belfast July 9th. I've never been to the UK and I'm so excited and I'm literally going to ask Joanne to kind of be my guide and Sherpa, but join us. We were just fucking yapping away. Us two broads over here. Come on in and let's have some fun. So I want to be real that we're just meeting each other. Yes. So. You were a fucking huge standup in Europe. Well be ing Ns and nothing. Arena's, girl. Yeah. Okay. Yes. No, I have to, obviously as an Irish person, anything complimentary makes me want to screw up Daddy. My insides. Oh. My God, we. Love the Iron. I'm not going to go. I am a huge deal. Right, right, right. But what I will say is I work hard and I sell Sell Well. Arenas though. Yes. Yeah. There is a big difference in audiences. Have you ever gigged in Europe? First time is this upcoming July. Really? Where are you going? Oh God. I'm going to too many places. We're going to. We are going to Ireland. I'm so excited. Fantastic. Belfast and Dublin and London, both somewhere in London and Hackney as well as Manchester, Paris, Sweden. I'm doing a lot. Amazing. I'm doing a lot of places. For. Me. I'm excited just to go over there to see my audience and have the experience of performing in different countries. It's so cool. It's so cool. I did a little European tour and I came and that. I went to Sweden and Norway and Are you on Copenhagen and all that? There's a little route. We're. Doing Copenhagen. We've sold six tickets. Oh. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Perfect. I'm 45 more than myself. To be honest, David, at the start. David was saying we should make it a hangout experience. That's. What it's going to be. Yeah. It's going to be stunning. But when you're talking about sales, I was going through my American, I have an American tour in the fall, as you'd say. Where are. You going? The fall. What do you say? Autumn. Okay, cool. I like that. Autumn. I'm going Seattle and Denver and Salt Lake City, Las Vegas. I'm going to sell. No, I sell well in Canada and well Toronto. Anyway, but I was looking at my American sales, a friend of mine, and I was like, it's really bad. I was like, look, I'm going to read them out to you. And I took out the letter and I was like, Dallas, one Salt Lake City one. I said, San Francisco four. And I was like, oh good, that's good. And then I realized it was the number of shows I was doing in each town, so I thought I'd sold an individual ticket in all these places and I was like, oh my God, I'm so stupid. How have I even gotten this far in life? I'm so thick. It makes you a good comedian. Honestly. I was like, and I was like, oh. And they're like, it's it's not great, but it's not that bad. And they're like, who do you think was individually coming? I was like, yeah, this feels like a thre. That is just one person following me around the states. One man with a large trench coat. But it's hard selling in new territories. Yeah, absolutely. And that's like your thing right now is breaking into the us. Yeah. It I'm. Excited. I mean, it feels like an impossible task, but you have nothing else to do. And also people love it. And people love the Irish. We are loving the Irish. We travel well. So good. The Irish passport, in my memory from my late night, Googling is the most expensive passport on the black market. You can sell it for like 200 grand. 200 Grand. That's what I heard. Holy shit. And I was doing a joke about it that I was like, I'll sell it and I'll have a Lamborghini and there'll be some Russian gangster going through American immigration. Not a bother on him with an Irish passport just whizzing through. And they're like, top of the morning to you, sir. And he's like, thanks a million. But yeah, so I think it's because we're quite well, we're neutral politically, technically, and we've got good personalities and we make good comedians. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of apparently trauma there. I don't feel any of it. You don't feel any of the trauma? Well. I mean, come on. I drink because I like drink and I'm not going to blame the famine be that. Can't be that. Come on, I've moved on. Yeah. So. You love to drink. Don't drink, and you. Do it. Well. I think you're wearing it. Well. Thank you. I mean, it is a bit of a trope, but I think because I've made it such a part of my shtick as such that, I mean, sometimes I think people think I'm waking up and slamming a bottle of Pino. I'm not. I wait till 11. Do you know what? The other day I went down, I arrived to New York and I was like, time. I just like wine. I like the camaraderie of it. I like drinking with my friends. I love all that. And I went down to whatever the shop and America is the size of everything here is. We're so. Why is everything so gigantic? Because everybody needs to pretend their dick is huge. Literally. That's what this is. Well, when I was walking back from the shop, I looked like my dick was huge. I had a bottle of Pinot Grigio the size of a fiat punt out. It was like 1.5. I was on Instagram. I was like, girls, look at the size in this. It's like I caught a fish. I was, look at the size of all I was. I think it's a liter. They're like, it's 1.5 liters. Joanne. I know. And I have a cheap pallet. I love a bottle of barefoot. Well, I love weed. Do you do weed? No. Yeah. No. And it never sat well with me. Is it a thing in Ireland or the UK weed? Very much. Oh. Very much so. When. I moved to London, I was like, Jesus, what is that smell? It. Was just skunk. I was like, everyone has knits. It smells to me. Did you have knits as a kid? I know knits from the children's show, bluey as lice. What are knits? Not lice. Lice. Oh. No, I didn't have lice. You never had lice? I. Never had lice. Not to brag. Were you homeschooled? How did you never. I don't know. Lice wasn't a huge thing. It was massive. In. Ireland, everybody. Would have lice. Memories of sitting in a house still getting rinsed with this toxic shit to clean your hair and combing them through. And I've always had a lot of hair, which yeah, so it was a bit, why am I talking about, oh yeah, this is, it's the skunk smells exactly like lice cream that now I think it's kind of odor free, but it's not. Weed. The lice shampoo. Yes. Wow. As a child. It was so when I was doing my last tour tour, because after the show I find it really hard to come down. So I'm plowing through the barefoot wine and my tour mantra. I was like, oh, I wake up. I like this cat. Go on. I need to stop drinking after shows because I do shows all the time. So my liver's going to fall out my ass. It might. And my tour manager was like, why don't I get your weed pen and you can see if that would bring you down? And I was like, great idea. But then I just ended up smoking weed and drinking a bottle of barefoot. And then I'd wake up covered in cheese wrappers and crisp packets. And I was like, ah, I can't win. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And I was like, I don't want to come home and eat my body weight and baby bell, I know as well. I'll drink a bottle of barefoot. So I was like the weed pen out. I get stoned real quick and then I just eat everything. I can see famine vibes. And. Then I feel awful about myself. So. I'm like, I'll just stick to the booze and die of liver cancer. I never could hold my alcohol. Well, I always got so drunk, so fast, puking when I'm in college and shit. What? You are very small. Yeah. We need to grow you a little bit. Yeah. Joanne was surprised and immediately said. You're. Tiny. You're tiny. I'm short. How tall are you? Five 10. Holy shit. You're. A model bitch. That's what I think I am. Excuse me. Yeah, because we were discussing this. We were saying, when I meet women who listen to the podcast, they're like, oh, you're quite tall. So I think I give off little scrappy little size vibes. Copy that. Like a little pocket pockets. Okay. So one thing we were talking about before was learning as a comic. Wait, first of all, how long have you been doing standup? It's coming up to 10 years now. Wow. Oh, that's been a fast rise for. You. I was quite, I didn't start losing in my thirties. Incredible. Because it takes longer than that to craft it the way that you have. But. I had nothing else to do. You had nothing else going on. Nothing. No, I had nothing else going on. That's great. Fucking great. And I was just like, okay, this is what it is now. And are you constantly touring? Am I constantly touring? No. So when the last tour finished, I took, well, I took the time off to write the new show, and then this tour started actually in Brooklyn. I started doing work in progress as in union hall last January. Oh my gosh. That's one of my faves. I love it. And I love Brooklyn. I love New York and everything. I was raised on Sex in the City. Yeah, yeah. So everywhere. I'm so lame that whenever I'm in New York in Brooklyn, I'm like the bridge. I'm like, oh my God. That's where Miranda met Steve. Oh, I love it. Oh my God. So your podcast is called My Therapist Ghosted Me because literally your therapist ghosted you. Yeah. That is. It's mad. Isn't. It? So rude. Yeah, I know. Are they crazy? I don't know. The whole thing was a bit mad, and I. Literally. I know they could do that. Legally. They can't. What are the ethics? They can't. No, in his defense, because obviously as a comedian, I never let the intricacies get in the way, but it was around, he stopped. So I was like, I'm not saying he died because he is still alive. I finally got an answer out of him. I was with him because I was in the throes of heartbreak from a breakup, and I was like, oh my God, another one bites the dust. That's so painful. They just owe. You. And I liked him. They. Just owe you a goodbye. Yeah. So eventually, that's so rude. Eventually I got an email out of him. I said, John, I've turned up to ex-boyfriend's houses. I was like, Joanne, control yourself. John was entitled to leave. He's entitled to leave. I said, John, are you still working in mental health now? This was months after the fact. And he went, I am Joanne, and this is who I'd recommend for you. Okay, but bitch, tell me goodbye. That's really crazy. And also it's like. That's crazy. He's supposed to be trained to deal with this appropriately. And he was so nice. He was big into incense and stuff. And. You're fully in. The right. You have those beaded kind of doorway. Entrances. Oh, I don't it and stuff. I don't like it. It was strange. But to give me a great name for the podcast, and that was only, we were sitting waiting on Zooms. It was Zoom time. And do you know when you're making that awful small talk with people before someone else logs on? You're like, Hey, hello. And they're like, what's the story with you? And I said, oh, Jesus. I said, my therapist goes to me. And they're like, oh, it's called the podcast. That. Hysterical. And. That's how it happened. And I actually, well, I'll tell you this. When you read it real quick, it doesn't read very well. It reads like, the rapist hosted me. The rapist hosted me. And Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh. Yeah. So read it slow. That's my advice. Oh, copy that. But also we were in, they put out posters. They did a poster campaign in the tube stations in London, and they had this weird marketing decision. I don't know why, who was asleep that day, but they did this thing where there's the first, their posters are tiered from behind each other, if you know what I mean. Oh, no. So news agents were the first one. They're their biggest podcast. They do a daily podcast. And then we were kind of slipping out from one side, and there was another podcast slipping out from the other side. But because of the poster, Vogue was completely hidden. It was my face with rapist over it. Oh my God. I went into globally where I was like, have you seen Dan the Tubes Rapist? It's just me smiling with rapists over my head. Oh. My fucking God. They're like, oh, we just didn't notice. Oh. My God. It's so funny. I enjoy it so much. You and Vogue are cracking me up. We get on a house on fire. And you, it's really, really funny. And it's just, I don't know, Knight's like escapism. It's pure fluff. I. Love it. I love it. So if anything is ever, there's nothing ever, because sometimes we get emails from people in there. They'll say, how can you not address such and such? Not my job? And I'm like, it's not that. We are very clear where our lane is. And our lane is lighthearted crack. Oh my God, you guys were cracking me up talking about the Jim Carrey thing. That was so wild. Well, I love it. Well, I obviously, I do nothing, but I did a conspiracy theory podcast about Ava Levine for the bbc. Oh, so that was yours? Yes. Oh, you mentioned it in that episode. Yes. Who it was supposed to be who killed Ava Levine, but legal changed it to who Replaced Ava Levine. So I love a conspiracy theory, a light one. I do believe we landed on the moon. Got it. Got it. Me too. I feel like people are losing their minds because reality is so surreal right now that we're making up the internet is making up such crazy shit and then going along with it as a joke or. Whatever. But. The AI stuff, have you seen Val Kilmers in a new film? He's Dead. Oh no. He's been brought back to life. He looks great. It's disgusting. It's so disgusting. How do you feel about ai? I am South Hick. I can't. I had a joke in the show. I was like, I'm still trying to figure out if that dress is black or gold. Do you remember that dress? Yeah. 100. That's where I am mentally. And then I have to figure out that frogs can't tap dance. I said, I don't know. I'm resharing all sorts of shit. People are like, Joanne pigeons don't play guitar. I hate it. I hate it so much. I'm. Resharing all this. I'm like, nature is amazing. Oh my. God. David Attenborough has taught them so much. Oh my God. I find it terrifying. I hate it. I used to say, if I was ever in a deep fake porn thing, I'd know it wasn't me. If I was on top so lazy in the stack now in my forties that I'm like, it's not me. I never mount anymore. But that stuff, and poor Scarlet Johansen, they won't leave her alone. Oh. God. It's all scarlet. Oh my God. I'm so proud of her for suing over and over. A hundred percent. She's literally Paris Hilton too. They're leading the way. They. Are. They're. Leading the way. And. Now we're all going to stand on the shoulders of them. It's. Like the wild west at the moment. This is always the way disgusting. But when I look back, I'm very suggestible. Okay. Very much. And I was telling a story about, on the podcast, I'd seen I live alone. So there's a lot of Googling, a lot of Googling, a lot of innate, like Googling a lot of vino, Googling purchases, treating yourself Googling copy. That. I read a story one night that a woman had been killed by a frozen shaft of urine that had been released over a field from an airplane. Now, I held this story as truth for many, many years, Lana, many, many years. And then eventually Vogue on the pod was like, are you sure? I was like, absolutely. I googled the photo. When I say this photo, it looked like it was sketched by a child. It was so clearly fake, but I held that in my heart. That's truth. You were. Drinking some wine? I don't know. No. It wasn't even like I was in a black. Even if you were in blackout, you'd know that this was clearly not real. But the AI of it all, I'm gooses. I have boundaries around taking in the news. I can't take it in at night. I don't want to take it in on the. Weekends. How much can one human being take. Our heart? You seem like a very empathetic person. And. I. Am. And it stays that way by having boundaries around how much I take in. Otherwise. I'm. Just dead. Which is their goal to deaden your heart. We're not supposed to take in that much. We're not equipped to take in that much information. We're not equipped to watch that much horror. We're not equipped for it. We're supposed to be plowing someone in a field, plowing, not someone something. I'm hoping to get plowed in a field. I'm just. Supposed to be face down in the rain, getting plowed by a bike. I'm not equipped for this much information. I love getting plowed. Oh my. God. Apparently we take in more information now in a day that our ancestors took in their whole lives. Horrible. It's absolutely wrong. It's fucking wrong. This is a joke that people can look up and find retroactively. But you are the first human woman to play this arena in Dublin. The. Three arena. The three arena. And you're actually making a documentary about it. I am. So I'm filming a documentary, kind of like the journey to it. Yeah. Arenas girl. I know. Yeah. I mean, that's. Fucking incredible. I keep saying, but it's Ireland, I feel like. But obviously that is still an achievement, but But in my life. What does that even mean? It's a huge capacity, right? Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. And also, I want to say literally as a performer, the shape of an arena, this is a particular part of the craft button. People don't get to achieve the opportunity to learn that level. Well, it's also, I think the issue around arena comedy is, and you and I both know the vibe is not the same. So comedy is meant for intimate, low ceilings, dark rooms. It's not built for huge rooms like that. You do lose something in it. Definitely. You do. You change for it. You. Know what I mean? You absolutely change. You adapt. There's a certain type for it. So these arenas have come, I think, at the right time because I am ready for them. I love a small fucking around and a small low ceiling place, but I'm always practicing to get to my tours are theaters. Do you like theaters? Yeah. Yeah. I love theaters. Yeah. Yeah. I love them so much. The plush seats and all that jazz. And you'll have all that in Europe. The theaters are stunning. Oh. My God. I can't. Wait. But it's a funny muscle because when you kind of get used to doing the larger rooms to go back to smaller rooms, say for example, I don't think my crowd work is as good as it used to be. I was never amazing at it, but I was good. But I stopped because in the bigger rooms, it's just too risky. In theaters. It's weird. In theaters. I don't know. Maybe you can get away. Yeah. I find that's more of a club thing. You. Know what I mean? I just don't think everybody can do it. No, it is. It is, but it's can't, honestly, it's a muscle. It's like I'm running kind. You work that muscle. And so I was doing, I did a little pop-up show in New York last night for, it was an industry kind of cool. Where. A showcase in the. City winery. City winery. Fun. The room. I was like, oh my God. I was like, Jesus, the woman in the front row. I was like, you could give me a smear test in my groin. And again, you have to recalibrate. That's a different muscle. You have to kind of, I. Love it so much. You have to work all the different types of comedic muscles. And it's great to keep making sure that you do keep trying to work those muscles or you forget. I know. Because it is the cycle of doing a small club and then theaters and then in your case arenas, and then you stop and you rewrite and you do it again. It just shocks me every time how you're opening up and opening up and opening up. I love it. And you're sometimes comedy because it so exists in the room at the time. Sometimes you're like, can I even do it anymore when you stop? And also. I so agree. The Jeopardy involved in each gig. When I was doing, and I was on a big tour in Ireland in the uk, and I came over to New York and I was doing town hall, but I wanted to do some club gigs while I was here and just kind of check out the scene. And I did New York Comedy Club and it was, sorry, teeny room. I dunno. New York. Comedy Club. 50 People or something in the room. And I was in the hallway. When I say, I was like, I'm going to have to take a Valium. I was a nervous. Wreck. Oh. Yeah. And I. Was like, do you want to? You want to? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Control yourself. How are you letting? And it got in because it was 50 people. I was at a place in my career where people were coming. They were buying tickets. So you weren't being forced on anyone anymore the way you are in a club. Do you know what I mean? They were there by choice. Well, not all of them, but there's a husband, a couple of husbands there who are clearly not there by choice. And they want me to know it. I'm like, I can see it. Darn. You're grand. I get it. You were dragged along. Her friend Sophie pulled out. I understand. So. I get these guys who go like this, they kind of can't believe it. And they're like. About, what? About. When I'm talking about sex and shit? Or read. And goofier than they expected. And they're finding themselves giggling, but blushing too. What's your audience? Who are your demographic? So. Right now we're, we're getting older. There's like younger people. But it's funny because Broad City, we were all in our twenties when I'm making Broad City in the audience. And now we're getting older and younger people are like. They're. Not totally getting it. But they're excited and they're so fucking cute. But they're probably watching Broad City. Yes. Yeah. And so it's kind of timeless. Yes. But. They're. Not having the broad city experience. You know what I mean? The world. Is so different. It's interesting. And they're a little bit like there's an aspirational vibe. Then. The millennials were all giggling at the absurdity that now we're middle aged together. It's so funny. Isn. It's a really good feeling. It's really good. And then Stoner Boomers. Stoner. Stoner. Gen X and Boomers. What age are you? I'm 38. Oh my God. I'm older than you. 42. Yeah. My husband's 45. I think he looks great. That's why I. He looks great. You all look great. We all look great. We look in quite simple. We have science on our side. I talk about this in Pinot file is the name of the show. Just to be very clear. The name of your tour. Pinot file. Pinot file. Just. Have to be very clear about that. Yeah. Because. We. Have, when. You say a quick, it's. We say pedophiles here. In the us. Oh, that makes sense. In. Fact, we don't say it enough. Epstein files. Epstein files. Epstein files. Child sex trafficking, pedophiles. We. Don't say it enough. Pinot files. You guys say pedophiles. So it's. Important. It's important. PTO file. It's. Important that you say. Pedophile. Pedophile. But I talk in penile. I talk about this idea of middle age and how it's just gone. Now. We have this youthful spirit. We do. I think us knowing ourselves is making us look so fucking good. And we're not a slave. We're not a slave to the kind of domestic system. The way my granny, you know that I say the show she'd a comb over at 11 because she was just rinsed by life. She was rinsed by life. Oh my God. Her womb had a six month break. How many kids did she have? Oh, right. Oh my. God. I think there's eight of them. Fuck me. But now it's just so different. And women. You're poor granny. Oh, sweet Granny. What was her name? Mary. Mary. Mary. Coy. Oh my God. You're cracking me up. Wait, the last thing I want to talk about, I really, I'm so excited that we're starting to be friends. This is the beginning of a friendship and I hope it goes on and on, is kids. We were talking about kids. Yes. So. You're. Interested in it. So here's my take on it. I'm 42. I've left it a little late, but there's so much you can do now. I went very career heavy and there's always this women can have it all. Bollocks. Bollocks. You can't, you have to choose. You just do you to choose. You've obviously got a partner. So that kind of makes things a little easier. I don't. So it's like, where am I going to, and. Also, you started in your thirties. I started when I was 19. Yeah. Yeah. You know what. I mean? You built it up. You had your success. Do you know what I mean? And you'll continue to do so. But you had the stability of that. That's right. You'd built a reputation, you had a profile, you had a successful TV show, all that stuff. Whereas I am still pedaling, but I know in my heart of heart of heart that I think I, I'd love, I'd love it. I'd love a child you love too. I think I'd be a really good mom. You would be. And I think that if I don't do it, I think I'd wake up at 50 and be really, really sad that I didn't do it. And I think while being a mother, obviously I know that women, it's a really sensitive topic for some women. Like how dare you tell me that I don't know what real love is. And these kind of stereotypical, and I can't bear this when women, I don't like when no kids talk about how great it is. And I dunno when the two women go, I when those two versions of women go against each other, I don't like it. You. Know what it is is in the United States, there's this literally multi, multi-billion dollar hate machine, a messaging machine that is now the Republican party and the conservative movement and turning point, it's all hatred. It's racism, it's misogyny. They pit women against each other. And of course there is tension. If there. Is tension, there. Is. There's naturally tension, of course. But they blow up. That. Divide. I. Don't like this. And it's like. Well, actually, we kind of also need each other. My friends. Who don't have kids, my friends who don't have kids, they like to see a little kid running around, seeing funny shit. My friends who are mothers, these women are in the fucking trenches. These women are raising human beings. I come home in the evening. I have my biological age tested recently, and it came back as 20. Oh my God. So funny. Because I have no children. I sleep all the time. I nap at the top of a hat. I put myself down regularly throughout the day, straight into the cot in the, sometimes I get up and go straight because sometimes I get up and be like, I just feel in myself. It's not time yet. Yeah. 100.

And I go back to bed till 11: 25:59

00 AM I'm very much relaxed. That is the. Hardest part of parenting. Exactly. That is the hardest part. But you now are established enough to do it. I'll say. I think so. I think now. And to pay for. Help as long. As you. Have help. Yeah. I think I can take the foot off the gas a little bit now when penile ends and I will buy some stunning sperm or I will do it. I have plans to do it. Maybe with my friend Ross, who's gay. He's very into having kids. And I was like, it's not going to be the that, isn't it? No. That is a good one. I agree. Because then. You can have a weekend. This is what I'm thinking, 100. Does he have a partner? No. Great. Yeah. Even better. Yeah. He'll. Die alone. Like me. Be fantastic. Maybe you guys would die together. I mean, that's a. Great plan. Because. People are like, oh, hold on. Is that wise? I'm like, yes. Because when you're in a romantic relationship, a relying on each other to be romantically loyal and all that stuff. Whereas with me and Ross, there's no room for any romantic betrayal. Let down room there's, there's less chance of a fallout. 100. It's a great plan. I'll be like, go and ride that lad. Go and ride all the men in the town 100. And then when I'm on tour, you see, this is the funny thing. I'm already talking about trying to get rid of the child. I haven't even had the child. I'm like, you go to your daddy's 100%. You go to your daddy's because mommy has to go to Australia for work and you're going to go to your Daddy's for the summer. If it's only on me. That's. Too much. You'd love it. And we were talking about this narrative of it's so hard. It's so hard. First of all, I think that's a reductive easy narrative for comedy, for tv, whatever. I also think it's really positive that we have space for women to complain about how fucking hard it. Is. A billion percent. So I like that women get to talk about the negativity and the depression. A hundred percent. But. I think that we also just skip over the wonderment. It is so fucking amazing. My. Experience so far. And that's exactly it. It's like there was a time where women couldn't say anything about how hard motherhood was, and then the space was there to talk about it, and then it became almost kind of the thing to give out about us. That's right. That's right. American politics. I will say it is very interesting to watch from the outside. I know, because we created reality TV and then we became reality tv. It is interesting to watch. When. I listened to this podcast Tuesday other day, and it was saying that Donald Trump had gone in and taken all the voting ballots. He did indeed. From the original election that he swears blind was robbed from him and he didn't photocopy them. Just the FBI went in and they took them. I was like, this is like Black mirror. Did. You ever see Black Mirror? Yeah. This is like dystopian shit. This is. It is dystopian. Rosie O'Donnell moved to Ireland. Ireland. That's like Irish American pride. Right there. How cute is that? Yeah. She's living in Dublin now. Yeah. Isn't. That great? I know. It's gas and she's really happy there, I think, because Trump was giving her so much shit. Yep. Anyway. We look to you guys. We love the Irish. You are such a blast. I live for brilliant women and we just popped. Right. So nice to meet you. Off. I'm so thrilled to. Be connected. Nice. To meet you. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. You're so fucking brilliant and smart and strong. I think you're a brilliant and smart and strong. I'm thrilled to be friends. Thanks for joining me. That was so much fun. Thank you to Joanne McNally for sharing your time with me and your brain, and your heart and your beauty. This show is made by humans and humans only. It's a star picks production. I want to thank the creative producers of this show, Annika Carlson, David Rooklin, Madeline Kim, Glennis Meagher, and Kelsie Kiley. I want to thank our editor Tovah Who Fucking Rocks. I want to thank Raymo Ventura for doing the opening musical sting and the graphics. I want to thank Rebecca O'Neill for doing this sound so good. I want to thank Kevin Deming and Lexa Krebs for making it look so damn good. I want to thank the band Don Hur for making this outdoor musical sting sound so good. Did I mention it was a stop production? Listen, and I'll see you next time.