Pope Leo's first encyclical, Magnifica Humanitas, turns in its third chapter — "Technology and Dominance" — to the hardest question AI forces on us: are we standing on a Tower of Babel that's destined to fall, or can the thing be rebuilt brick by brick? In the final panel of our 3-part series, Edmund Mitchell sits down with three expert guests who live this tension from worlds that rarely meet: a frontier-lab AI safety leader, a Catholic builder who bootstrapped a nine-figure AI company, and a Harvard formation scholar:

Andrew DeBerry — President of Arimathea Investing; founding member of the Catholic Digital Commons Foundation and SENT Ventures; Lieutenant Colonel in the Air Force Reserves for the Pentagon's AI policy office; has led responsible-AI teams at Microsoft, Amazon, Google X, and Meta

John Johnson — Founder and CEO of Patmos Hosting, a bootstrapped, profitable AI data-center company that owns its infrastructure "down to the dirt"; founder of the Albertus Magnus Institute; wrote his thesis on the beatific epistemology of St. Thomas Aquinas

Letty Garcia — Director of the Leadership Initiative at Harvard Business School; MTS from Harvard Divinity School; Diploma in Ignatian Spirituality from the Gregorian University in Rome; doctoral studies in adult learning and leadership at Columbia's Teachers College

We dig into:

— "Pope Light" (a Luddite) of "Pope Ultra" (a doomer)
— Why it's a recovery document, not a regulations document
— The Tower of Babel vs. Nehemiah: patch the windows, or get off the tower and build from the ground up?
— "AI is cultivated, not built" (#98) 
— Counterfeit personhood: why "you can't baptize the machine"
— Throwing rocks at Silicon Valley, or funding the windows?
—  Building a profitable nine-figure AI company
— What secular AI safety already knows that the Church hasn't engaged
— Ignatian discernment and the discomfort AI is designed to remove
— Why a machine has no will
— Owning the sandbox: open source, GitHub, and a Catholic Digital
  Commons
— The warning against "technical salvation" 
— The Catholic "love robot" 
— "Remember your dignity, O Christian" 

CHAPTERS

00:00 Landing the series with "Technology and Dominance"
01:30 Letty: the real thread is formation and co-responsibility
03:00 The canon-lawyer-and-mathematician Pope
04:14 John: "Pope Classic" 
08:22 A recovery document, not a regulations document
09:10 Don't read it as "can I use AI or not"
12:24 The historical moment 
14:50 Change management and "move the movable"
16:20 What does secular AI safety know that Catholics don't?
23:20 The Patmos model 
27:10 "Don't fund the windows" 
34:10 AI is "cultivated, not built"
37:00 The call: deep research + discernment
39:40 Counterfeit personhood 
42:23 Human freedom, writing an "AI covenant" for your home
44:50 Open source, GitHub, and a Catholic Digital Commons
49:50 Ignatian discernment for the AI black box
55:20 Shaping the experience 
59:00 The "Catholic love robot" 
1:02:20 Tool vs. relationship
1:03:50 Faith-informed design principles
1:06:00 A moral compass is the will
1:08:32 Objective truth, benchmarks, and a hybrid future
1:10:50 Beware "technical salvation" 
1:16:40 Disarming our words and the civilization of love
1:21:10 "Bring the stone"
1:26:48 Closing: Babel or Jerusalem?

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